Rich, it’d be great to get an episode with the sole focus of updating us on your current training/recovery. How is your back? How has your nutrition changed? What is your new physical ‘normal’? For us OG subscribers, we’d love an update! It’s a huge part of your story.
It's inspiring to see how much Rich has gone through in his journey, and I agree-his training and recovery updates are a big part of his story. It makes me wonder, though: do you think focusing too much on our current physical state might distract us from growth in other areas, like mental resilience or emotional stability? How do you balance physical recovery with developing other aspects of your life? It seems like a constant challenge.
@@TheStoicBeacon-TGG yeah it must be challenging. Re: focusing too much on physical vs growth in other areas…that’s very thought provoking and I hope Rich eventually tackles that question. I’m beginning to fear that he may be staying away from that subject because he doesn’t want to turn off his endurance sponsors like On :(
Marcus Aurelius has a sense of awe and wonder about nature and the world we live in "“Dwell on the beauty of life. Watch the stars, and see yourself running with them.”
Mahalo for the real talk and civil conversation to help articulate, describe, express, and eventually identify for ourselves these complex feelings, ideas, phenomenon that are indeed...disturbing to realize when we finally see it. An appreciative fan of you both!
It's so true how difficult it can be to confront these complex feelings once we start to understand them. Its almost like breaking through a fog to see things clearly for the first time. Have you found any specific practices or habits that help you stay grounded when those realizations hit?
36:04 You hit the nail squarely on the fkn head, Ryan. I came to that conclusion a year ago. It has always been a part of the American psyche, however, since the 80s, many prominent politicians have fanned the flames of that political and cultural philosophy. The result is where we are today. One of the reasons why the social support system has been successful in countries like Finland, Sweden and Norway is due to the fact that a strong sense of community has been part of the national consciousness for centuries. It will take generations to undo the damage done to the American soul over the past 30-40 years.
When my son was about eight and he first learned about Martin Luther King he was very inspired and he thought he would like to change the world by getting everyone to quit smoking he said but “I don’t want to get shot“ that was so sad. We had a lot of discussions thereafter
I love you!!! I can’t believe you were actually bold enough to mention factory farming!! Omg the denial in the society we live in! Everything you guys have said is amazing and I’m so grateful for your knowledge
It's interesting to consider how justice ties into personal growth. Often, we think of justice in a societal sense, but what about applying it to our own actions? How do we ensure we're being just with ourselves in terms of discipline and self-improvement? Do we hold ourselves accountable as we would expect from others? Would love to hear your thoughts on how we can balance justice with personal development.
Great thoughts from a great student who has a great teacher. Gained a lot of insights. Self mastery is a lifelong game. If you are still breathing you got work to do! 😉
I completely agree, self-mastery really is a lifelong journey. It's inspiring to see how much growth is possible when we commit to it. I'm curious, what do you think is the most important step to take when we're feeling stuck or like progress is slow? How do you get back on track?
@ When I get stuck and fall of the tracks, I always take inspiration from Marcus Aurelius and retreat within to reflect, reset and realign my intentions.
I completely agree with you! Senecas letters offer timeless wisdom that could be incredibly relevant to our modern lives, especially when it comes to the idea of self-discipline. His insights on managing our emotions and thoughts are so powerful. Have you read any particular letter from him that stood out to you? I think diving deeper into his letters could provide some real clarity on how we approach challenges today.
Trí Tuệ Cổ Nhân cảm ơn bạn rất nhiều vì chia sẻ sâu sắc về tầm quan trọng của sách vở trong việc học hỏi và tránh những sai lầm không đáng có trong cuộc sống. Đúng như bạn nói, sách chính là kho tàng trí thức, nơi chúng ta có thể học được rất nhiều bài học quý giá từ những thất bại của người khác, giúp chúng ta không phải trải qua tất cả thử thách đó để tự rút ra bài học. Về phần bình yên trong cuộc sống hối hả, Trí Tuệ Cổ Nhân hoàn toàn đồng tình với quan điểm rằng sự bình yên thực sự đến từ bên trong. Khi chúng ta trang bị cho mình trí tuệ, nghị lực và đạo đức, chúng ta có thể vượt qua những sóng gió cuộc đời mà không bị cuốn trôi. Điều quan trọng là không ngừng học hỏi, rèn luyện bản thân và tạo dựng những mối quan hệ tốt đẹp, để từ đó có thể tìm thấy sự bình an thực sự. Về vấn đề này, Trí Tuệ Cổ Nhân muốn giới thiệu một video có thể giúp bạn tiếp cận sâu sắc hơn về sự bình an trong tâm hồn, đó là video "Làm thế nào để không tranh cãi mà vẫn thắng? Câu trả lời nằm ở nhân quả!" - bạn có thể xem video này để hiểu thêm về cách nhìn nhận và hành động trong cuộc sống một cách bình an và trí tuệ: [Làm thế nào để không tranh cãi mà vẫn thắng? Câu trả lời nằm ở nhân quả!](th-cam.com/video/YV2bi8y5phE/w-d-xo.html)
The objective is not to signal virtue, it’s to embody virtue. The cause of the pejorative connotation around “virtue signaling,” and “social justice warriors” is the hypocrisy. Accountability is a standard you hold yourself to. And nobody’s perfect, but if you flagrantly disregard the standard you hold others to, people will naturally have a negative reaction to that.
That point about effecting change hit... its like the modern day equality movements. You have tiny groups of individuals manufacturing things like modern day racism and sexism by disguising them as systematic issues that appeal more to persuasion there for creating the system representing those individual issues
Lord, I pray that you would give me the strength. I know that being a single parent is not always easy, but with your help, I am confident that I can do it. I also ask for your help in providing for my sons emotionally, and physically. Lord I struggle every month to provide for my sons. I’m overwhelmed. Give me strength. Thank you Heavenly father for your grace and loving tender care, and for always being there for me and my children.❤️💕
I've been following Rich's channel for years now. It's been exciting and inspirational to listen to his guests, to his puns with Adam or even his monologues :) But recently something has changed - I am not able to finish listening to almost any of the interviews. I think for me, the learning element has disappeared. As if previously Rich was trying to grasp something new himself and using his skills to extract and form that idea from the guests; but now it's just Rich trying to say something instead of the guests... and it results in all sounding the same. Maybe it's time to level up the game and do more complex things? Or maybe I just need to switch the channel myself 🙂 Just reflecting here.
This episode goes deep in great discipline advice. How many of you would be happy if you have the detailed notes of the podcast so that after listening this podcast you can have and read the important stuff in 10 mins anytime you want. Let me know your response.
I've come to learn how important obligations are... In all aspects. Naivete seems to be quite common because there seems to be a lack of consequence, but that might be a bit of my cynicism 😂 we have made irony important in the meaning of ridicule
Keeping your word means I will keep God’s word and the living word, the Bible. I will not reject those things that are true. We put too much weight on ourselves, as Christians. A christian perspective.
I like to use the water bottle analogy.. hold a water bottle in front of you. The water bottle represents the truth of all things; human nature, the universe, life, ect. Me, the person holding the water bottle represents the observer or point of perception. Now find someone to be a second observer and ask them to describe the water bottle in the greatest detail possible. And I'll do the same.. although looking at the same water bottle we each have a completely different perspective. We are both right and wrong about the truth of the matter. (Pun intended) Philosophies and religions strive for the truth. Some believe their perspective is closer to the truth. And it may be, but It's our responsibility to continue expanding our awareness and perception to see the bigger picture. Continue observing and we will see that there is truth in all of them. And they are all there to help us 'BE', better.
"If all you're thinking about is this endless self improvement, self optimization, I think that's kind of empty. (You gotta think about helping others too.)" - Ryan Holiday
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Regarding the issue, wherein, individuals are quick to say someone is “virtue signaling” - also important to point out the individuals on the right in particular - utilize that - some wittingly some unwittingly - as a strawman to undermine/not deal with, deny, what are very real issues.
As Laertius wrote over 1800 years ago, "Stoics have nothing to say about happiness, in general or specific." Epicureans had it figured out in antiquity and stoics were a bit of a joke, considered by most to be hypocrites more concerned with "appearing stoic" for the sake of self-aggrandizement. Little has changed. It's sad that such an empty school of philosophy had such a resurgence, and the irony is that it had a resurgence because Stoicism tells its followers that they are tougher or stronger than others and there is an appeal to being told that. "Ego is the enemy." Indeed.
"Stoicism tells its followers that they are tougher or stronger than others" Really? I'm rather a fan of stoicism, and it always seemed to me to make a cardinal virtue of humility. Could you give me some examples of where stoisicm tells its followers to look down on others?
@@incurableromantic4006 Ofcourse it doesn't tell them to do so explicitly, no more than Christianity tells its faithful to judge sinners, and yet the world is so. But when your core philosophy is about building up an outer wall, about tolerating the intolerable, and accepting suffering, it isn't long before the practitioner feels to have risen above the rest of humanity, regardless of how many admonitions for humility are included. This is self-evident with the modern popularity of Stoicism. It tells its practitioner they are strong and strong willed, and is thus attractive to those who want that trait or want others to believe they possess it. Wearing stoicism on your sleeve is, after all, quite popular and profitable in the 21st century.
@@NikeonaBike Well, any moral or philosophical movement that becomes popular enough will inevitably attract some people to it for negative reasons - but that's a problem with human nature, not with the movement itself.
I disagree with you there. I think you made a totally surface mischaracterization of the stoic school. They speak a lot about happiness, however sometimes (fairly or not) criticize the epicureans for seeking a shallow personal happiness in physical comfort (the stoics were big on being involved in one’s community through public service ), a selfish happiness, by avoiding all potential sources of disturbance ( such as marrying and raising a family) . The stoics talked a lot dealing with anxiety and uncertainty , clear impediments to happiness. “When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive-to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.” Marcus Aurelius. Seneca said “True happiness is... to enjoy the present, without anxious dependence upon the future.” Zeno said man’s work was the practice of virtues, which alone produces happiness. So yeah just a little bit there just to counter your characterization of the stoic school, which I think is not at all accurate .
Their work is complete when self-tyranny arrives. No longer needing to tyrannize from the outside because you’re doing the work for them from the inside. Definitely not better
Arundhati Roy doesnt like Ghandi and thinks he was a hugely flawed person And he wasnt the first to use passive resistance. Te Whiti O Rongomai for one led a passive resistance movement at Parihaka In New Zealand. And there were others globally also I believe.
The problem with censorship is not with restricting “bad” or “harmful” speech. It’s who gets to decide and enforce the criteria for said speech. The founding fathers were wise when they wrote our constitution. Don’t fuck with it lol
"Social Justice Warrior" is a slur ...yes.... *but* ...."Make America Great Again" has also become a slur. Both positive intentions have become weapons to use against 'the other guy'.
The difference is that MAGA is a dog whistle for straight white men. Who are we making America great again for? The heyday of the US (1950s) was an objectively worse time to be a woman, LGBTQIA and/or BIPOC in this county.
The thing about SJWs (no, not all) and virtue signalers is that they seem to be doing it because they are looking for the "3rd thing" which gives less credence to what they are aiming for.
RR is the king and I LOVE most of his conversations, however I must admit Ryan sends me to sleep.. as much as I have previously attempted to listen to and embrace his worldview. Zzz
mainstream stuff about self-improvement are so overrated.The best investment you can make is in yourself. Books are the ultimate learning tool. Reading Bruce Thornwood's Unveiling your hidden potential helped me build discipline and separate my mindset from 90% of other people
When is Ryan Holiday going to go vegan? So many times I listen to his podcasts, read his books, and think he's got all the ethical framework and personal skills set to go vegan. Especially in a conversation about justice & personal discipline I was hoping this would come up...Rich had the opportunity but didn't ask the question or Ryan's insight on the matter.
Specific mention on the importance of not platforming dubious guests on podcasts, yet no mention of Sam Harris on RRP? Truly heinous opinions on Gaza/Israel.
I love stoicism, but I wish Ryan would not push his political views in his work so much. Read the examples he uses in his books closely and you will get a clear sense of his political views.
So much of today's 'life advice' is just a re hash of old ideas put into modern words. Not just this but the majority of podcasts. There are many watching but very few are actually using the advice in their lives. Such a waste of time while also getting these people richer than you.
The podcast was good until they free speech part. These guys are not the last word on the first amendment, and there is a big difference between philosophical free speech and constitutional free speech. Unfortunately there is an obvious bias being presented which is oh so PC. Stick to the stuff where you inform instead indoctrinate. Otherwise, good stuff.
Its all crap How can this guy without experiencing real life coach us silly fools All bullshit People do not need podcast like this to grow or change its all about what is within us
Agreed. People know what they must do, but it is just hard and uncomfortable to do it. So they watch stuff like this because it feels like they are making progress....when in fact they aren't. I know because I have been doing this for 6 months now, and have realised that all this so called knowledge is just a re hash of ancient thinking. Platitudes, nothing more. Similarly for Modern Wisdom podcast. People need to get outside and live again.
One of my favorite authors and thinkers with one of the best podcasters on the planet. This is a great episode.
Rich, it’d be great to get an episode with the sole focus of updating us on your current training/recovery. How is your back? How has your nutrition changed? What is your new physical ‘normal’? For us OG subscribers, we’d love an update! It’s a huge part of your story.
I second the petition
Yeah a Coaches Corner episode would be sweet
It's inspiring to see how much Rich has gone through in his journey, and I agree-his training and recovery updates are a big part of his story. It makes me wonder, though: do you think focusing too much on our current physical state might distract us from growth in other areas, like mental resilience or emotional stability? How do you balance physical recovery with developing other aspects of your life? It seems like a constant challenge.
@@TheStoicBeacon-TGG yeah it must be challenging. Re: focusing too much on physical vs growth in other areas…that’s very thought provoking and I hope Rich eventually tackles that question. I’m beginning to fear that he may be staying away from that subject because he doesn’t want to turn off his endurance sponsors like On :(
Marcus Aurelius has a sense of awe and wonder about nature and the world we live in "“Dwell on the beauty of life. Watch the stars, and see yourself running with them.”
Thank you RICH for this conversation with RYAN ❤👍
Mahalo for the real talk and civil conversation to help articulate, describe, express, and eventually identify for ourselves these complex feelings, ideas, phenomenon that are indeed...disturbing to realize when we finally see it. An appreciative fan of you both!
It's so true how difficult it can be to confront these complex feelings once we start to understand them. Its almost like breaking through a fog to see things clearly for the first time. Have you found any specific practices or habits that help you stay grounded when those realizations hit?
36:04 You hit the nail squarely on the fkn head, Ryan. I came to that conclusion a year ago. It has always been a part of the American psyche, however, since the 80s, many prominent politicians have fanned the flames of that political and cultural philosophy. The result is where we are today. One of the reasons why the social support system has been successful in countries like Finland, Sweden and Norway is due to the fact that a strong sense of community has been part of the national consciousness for centuries. It will take generations to undo the damage done to the American soul over the past 30-40 years.
When my son was about eight and he first learned about Martin Luther King he was very inspired and he thought he would like to change the world by getting everyone to quit smoking he said but “I don’t want to get shot“ that was so sad. We had a lot of discussions thereafter
Brilliant! Thank you for doing podcasts that matter and makes the world a better place.
Thank you, both. Two great minds.
I love you!!! I can’t believe you were actually bold enough to mention factory farming!! Omg the denial in the society we live in! Everything you guys have said is amazing and I’m so grateful for your knowledge
Always good with Ryan but this one I really enjoyed! Thanks Rich and Ryan!
Thank you so much to both of you! This is great!
Drop The Mic! Thank you Rich & Ryan
This was eye-opening! Could you explore the relationship between Stoicism and the modern concept of resilience in a future video?
I remember Ryan being on a while ago - he is brilliant. Thank you Rich! Best from Austria 💚
Also, thanks to Marcus Aurelius, Epictetus, etc who were the original thinkers.
Talk about justice, and justice for all!
It's interesting to consider how justice ties into personal growth. Often, we think of justice in a societal sense, but what about applying it to our own actions? How do we ensure we're being just with ourselves in terms of discipline and self-improvement? Do we hold ourselves accountable as we would expect from others? Would love to hear your thoughts on how we can balance justice with personal development.
Loved this perspective! How about starting a Q&A series on practical Stoicism?
Thanks Rich for calling out the cruelty and the immorality of Animal Agriculture. ❤ 56:00
Great thoughts from a great student who has a great teacher.
Gained a lot of insights.
Self mastery is a lifelong game.
If you are still breathing you got work to do! 😉
I completely agree, self-mastery really is a lifelong journey. It's inspiring to see how much growth is possible when we commit to it. I'm curious, what do you think is the most important step to take when we're feeling stuck or like progress is slow? How do you get back on track?
@ When I get stuck and fall of the tracks, I always take inspiration from Marcus Aurelius and retreat within to reflect, reset and realign my intentions.
‘When we talk about justice, obviously’ - for all🥁
Oooo...excited about this one. Love Ryan!
An excellent breakdown of Seneca’s philosophy! What are your thoughts on his letters as a practical guide for overcoming adversity?
Really grateful for this video! Could you create content focusing on Seneca’s letters and their relevance today?
I completely agree with you! Senecas letters offer timeless wisdom that could be incredibly relevant to our modern lives, especially when it comes to the idea of self-discipline. His insights on managing our emotions and thoughts are so powerful. Have you read any particular letter from him that stood out to you? I think diving deeper into his letters could provide some real clarity on how we approach challenges today.
Trí Tuệ Cổ Nhân cảm ơn bạn rất nhiều vì chia sẻ sâu sắc về tầm quan trọng của sách vở trong việc học hỏi và tránh những sai lầm không đáng có trong cuộc sống. Đúng như bạn nói, sách chính là kho tàng trí thức, nơi chúng ta có thể học được rất nhiều bài học quý giá từ những thất bại của người khác, giúp chúng ta không phải trải qua tất cả thử thách đó để tự rút ra bài học.
Về phần bình yên trong cuộc sống hối hả, Trí Tuệ Cổ Nhân hoàn toàn đồng tình với quan điểm rằng sự bình yên thực sự đến từ bên trong. Khi chúng ta trang bị cho mình trí tuệ, nghị lực và đạo đức, chúng ta có thể vượt qua những sóng gió cuộc đời mà không bị cuốn trôi. Điều quan trọng là không ngừng học hỏi, rèn luyện bản thân và tạo dựng những mối quan hệ tốt đẹp, để từ đó có thể tìm thấy sự bình an thực sự.
Về vấn đề này, Trí Tuệ Cổ Nhân muốn giới thiệu một video có thể giúp bạn tiếp cận sâu sắc hơn về sự bình an trong tâm hồn, đó là video "Làm thế nào để không tranh cãi mà vẫn thắng? Câu trả lời nằm ở nhân quả!" - bạn có thể xem video này để hiểu thêm về cách nhìn nhận và hành động trong cuộc sống một cách bình an và trí tuệ: [Làm thế nào để không tranh cãi mà vẫn thắng? Câu trả lời nằm ở nhân quả!](th-cam.com/video/YV2bi8y5phE/w-d-xo.html)
I wanna see Rich interview Ryan's mentor, Robert Greene
Daaaam, i was thinking exactly the same thing 😊
The objective is not to signal virtue, it’s to embody virtue.
The cause of the pejorative connotation around “virtue signaling,” and “social justice warriors” is the hypocrisy.
Accountability is a standard you hold yourself to. And nobody’s perfect, but if you flagrantly disregard the standard you hold others to, people will naturally have a negative reaction to that.
Very cool, thank you Rich
That point about effecting change hit... its like the modern day equality movements. You have tiny groups of individuals manufacturing things like modern day racism and sexism by disguising them as systematic issues that appeal more to persuasion there for creating the system representing those individual issues
Lord, I pray that you would give me the strength. I know that being a single parent is not always easy, but with your help, I am confident that I can do it. I also ask for your help in providing for my sons emotionally, and physically. Lord I struggle every month to provide for my sons. I’m overwhelmed. Give me strength. Thank you Heavenly father for your grace and loving tender care, and for always being there for me and my children.❤️💕
I've been following Rich's channel for years now. It's been exciting and inspirational to listen to his guests, to his puns with Adam or even his monologues :) But recently something has changed - I am not able to finish listening to almost any of the interviews. I think for me, the learning element has disappeared. As if previously Rich was trying to grasp something new himself and using his skills to extract and form that idea from the guests; but now it's just Rich trying to say something instead of the guests... and it results in all sounding the same.
Maybe it's time to level up the game and do more complex things? Or maybe I just need to switch the channel myself 🙂 Just reflecting here.
Love this guy!! ❤❤
This episode goes deep in great discipline advice.
How many of you would be happy if you have the detailed notes of the podcast so that after listening this podcast you can have and read the important stuff in 10 mins anytime you want.
Let me know your response.
I absolutely love the show, but the creepy background music in the Squarespace ads always weirds me out
The guy actually just said "I don't want to hold myself up to someone who is always making great moral decisions"! Wtheck!!!
The problem with stoicism is that under the duality of capitalism and spin-politics, stoicism is usually ‘shut-up-and-grind’.
Hell yeah cant Wait
Perfectly timed podcast! I JUST bought THE OBSTACLE IS THE WAY yesterday
Meditations too?
Twelve traditions comes into play
I've come to learn how important obligations are... In all aspects. Naivete seems to be quite common because there seems to be a lack of consequence, but that might be a bit of my cynicism 😂 we have made irony important in the meaning of ridicule
Keep the Torah!
Keeping your word means I will keep God’s word and the living word, the Bible. I will not reject those things that are true. We put too much weight on ourselves, as Christians. A christian perspective.
Big fan of yall both😂
I like to use the water bottle analogy.. hold a water bottle in front of you. The water bottle represents the truth of all things; human nature, the universe, life, ect. Me, the person holding the water bottle represents the observer or point of perception. Now find someone to be a second observer and ask them to describe the water bottle in the greatest detail possible. And I'll do the same.. although looking at the same water bottle we each have a completely different perspective. We are both right and wrong about the truth of the matter. (Pun intended) Philosophies and religions strive for the truth. Some believe their perspective is closer to the truth. And it may be, but It's our responsibility to continue expanding our awareness and perception to see the bigger picture. Continue observing and we will see that there is truth in all of them. And they are all there to help us 'BE', better.
Thats the whole issue with free-speech.
Who set the rules for what is "legal"? Who gets that type of moral authority?
Two great minds! 🙏
"If all you're thinking about is this endless self improvement, self optimization, I think that's kind of empty. (You gotta think about helping others too.)" - Ryan Holiday
Justice is what the Bible called righteousness
Perfect match.Thank you 🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼
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"I totally agree with you, it really does seem like the perfect match! Ryan and Rich always bring out such deep insights on discipline and growth. I'm curious, have you found any specific habit or routine that’s helped you apply these principles in your own life? Would love to hear what’s worked for you!"
Plz podcast on OCD
I think Andrew Huberman has a good podcast on that subject.
@@Nancysoulshine I've seen it...but I want to see a specialised guest on that topic
See my podcast with Brad Stulberg on this topic
What’s the name of the courage book
Regarding the issue, wherein, individuals are quick to say someone is “virtue signaling” - also important to point out the individuals on the right in particular - utilize that - some wittingly some unwittingly - as a strawman to undermine/not deal with, deny, what are very real issues.
Rich,
The writer Ethan Nichtern would be a really suitable guest for your show.
Jesse
As Laertius wrote over 1800 years ago, "Stoics have nothing to say about happiness, in general or specific." Epicureans had it figured out in antiquity and stoics were a bit of a joke, considered by most to be hypocrites more concerned with "appearing stoic" for the sake of self-aggrandizement. Little has changed. It's sad that such an empty school of philosophy had such a resurgence, and the irony is that it had a resurgence because Stoicism tells its followers that they are tougher or stronger than others and there is an appeal to being told that. "Ego is the enemy." Indeed.
"Stoicism tells its followers that they are tougher or stronger than others"
Really? I'm rather a fan of stoicism, and it always seemed to me to make a cardinal virtue of humility. Could you give me some examples of where stoisicm tells its followers to look down on others?
@@incurableromantic4006 Ofcourse it doesn't tell them to do so explicitly, no more than Christianity tells its faithful to judge sinners, and yet the world is so. But when your core philosophy is about building up an outer wall, about tolerating the intolerable, and accepting suffering, it isn't long before the practitioner feels to have risen above the rest of humanity, regardless of how many admonitions for humility are included. This is self-evident with the modern popularity of Stoicism. It tells its practitioner they are strong and strong willed, and is thus attractive to those who want that trait or want others to believe they possess it. Wearing stoicism on your sleeve is, after all, quite popular and profitable in the 21st century.
@@NikeonaBike Well, any moral or philosophical movement that becomes popular enough will inevitably attract some people to it for negative reasons - but that's a problem with human nature, not with the movement itself.
@@NikeonaBikeI disagreed with your initial comment, but this is an interesting rebuttal. You have put some valuable insight here. Thank you
I disagree with you there. I think you made a totally surface mischaracterization of the stoic school. They speak a lot about happiness, however sometimes (fairly or not) criticize the epicureans for seeking a shallow personal happiness in physical comfort (the stoics were big on being involved in one’s community through public service ), a selfish happiness, by avoiding all potential sources of disturbance ( such as marrying and raising a family) . The stoics talked a lot dealing with anxiety and uncertainty , clear impediments to happiness.
“When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive-to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.” Marcus Aurelius. Seneca said “True happiness is... to enjoy the present, without anxious dependence upon the future.” Zeno said man’s work was the practice of virtues, which alone produces happiness. So yeah just a little bit there just to counter your characterization of the stoic school, which I think is not at all accurate .
Self-tyranny is better than being controlled by society.
Their work is complete when self-tyranny arrives. No longer needing to tyrannize from the outside because you’re doing the work for them from the inside. Definitely not better
This!!
I vote Ryan Holiday should pivot into translating Alan Watts’s work. He has milked the stoic cow long enough.
Arundhati Roy doesnt like Ghandi and thinks he was a hugely flawed person And he wasnt the first to use passive resistance. Te Whiti O Rongomai for one led a passive resistance movement at Parihaka In New Zealand. And there were others globally also I believe.
The problem with censorship is not with restricting “bad” or “harmful” speech. It’s who gets to decide and enforce the criteria for said speech. The founding fathers were wise when they wrote our constitution. Don’t fuck with it lol
So wise yet so clueless
"Social Justice Warrior" is a slur ...yes.... *but* ...."Make America Great Again" has also become a slur. Both positive intentions have become weapons to use against 'the other guy'.
The difference is that MAGA is a dog whistle for straight white men. Who are we making America great again for? The heyday of the US (1950s) was an objectively worse time to be a woman, LGBTQIA and/or BIPOC in this county.
The thing about SJWs (no, not all) and virtue signalers is that they seem to be doing it because they are looking for the "3rd thing" which gives less credence to what they are aiming for.
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Listening back a second time and Ryan nailed why Democrats lost here 1:04:10
54:40 pausing to say: vegans
RR is the king and I LOVE most of his conversations, however I must admit Ryan sends me to sleep.. as much as I have previously attempted to listen to and embrace his worldview. Zzz
Love the podcast but don’t copy DOAC’s tittles I know this podcast grows fast but it also makes you cringe whenever you click on it(just my opinion)
Stoicism is good but Bhagwad Gita is the real OG of philosophy.
Tell me you’re pro-censorship without saying you’re pro-censorship. More stoicism and less liberal talking points please.
mainstream stuff about self-improvement are so overrated.The best investment you can make is in yourself. Books are the ultimate learning tool. Reading Bruce Thornwood's Unveiling your hidden potential helped me build discipline and separate my mindset from 90% of other people
So... if the info in the books went 'Mainstream'... it would stop being valuable?
For how long..
The recent election brought out the least Stoicism in Holiday and many of his subscribers.
Too bad nobody ever confronts Ryan about his pro-vax mandate philosophy
When is Ryan Holiday going to go vegan? So many times I listen to his podcasts, read his books, and think he's got all the ethical framework and personal skills set to go vegan. Especially in a conversation about justice & personal discipline I was hoping this would come up...Rich had the opportunity but didn't ask the question or Ryan's insight on the matter.
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And? How old are you?
108
Haha En Miami eso no aplica
Specific mention on the importance of not platforming dubious guests on podcasts, yet no mention of Sam Harris on RRP? Truly heinous opinions on Gaza/Israel.
Wow a silver platter telling another silver platter how to stay shinny. Can we get some Goggins to cleanse ourselves.
....people choose to do stoasim when the algorithm recommends it 😂😂😂😂😂
If these two dudes don't understand why virtue signaling is a slur, they're high on their own supply and totally out of touch
I would like to hear you both frame all these questions with Christianity. Open a bible and find answers.
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I love stoicism, but I wish Ryan would not push his political views in his work so much. Read the examples he uses in his books closely and you will get a clear sense of his political views.
I feel the same way.
When you pursue vertue and fight evil it's hard to support Democrat
Couldn’t agree more
If doing the right thing, the righteous thing in the civilized thing is pushing politics, you may want to consider the politics that you subscribe to.
Maybe it’s your politics that’s the problem. They don’t align with stoic values.
lots of mutual fellatio..
So much of today's 'life advice' is just a re hash of old ideas put into modern words. Not just this but the majority of podcasts. There are many watching but very few are actually using the advice in their lives. Such a waste of time while also getting these people richer than you.
The podcast was good until they free speech part. These guys are not the last word on the first amendment, and there is a big difference between philosophical free speech and constitutional free speech. Unfortunately there is an obvious bias being presented which is oh so PC. Stick to the stuff where you inform instead indoctrinate. Otherwise, good stuff.
This dude is a liberal 🤡
Neither of these guys are actual Stoics lol 😂
Its all crap
How can this guy without experiencing real life coach us silly fools
All bullshit
People do not need podcast like this to grow or change its all about what is within us
Hmmm... having a really bad day, huh?
Read the original books, letters from a stoic is my favourite, this guy is just a salesman.
Agreed. People know what they must do, but it is just hard and uncomfortable to do it. So they watch stuff like this because it feels like they are making progress....when in fact they aren't. I know because I have been doing this for 6 months now, and have realised that all this so called knowledge is just a re hash of ancient thinking. Platitudes, nothing more. Similarly for Modern Wisdom podcast. People need to get outside and live again.
19 views in 3 min? Bro fell off…
93 in 5
You use the term “bro” like an 11 year old