Peach & Daisy 1999 SMB3 Hack The Worst!?
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I was all about the Smb3 rom hacking scene back in these days. Kind of remember this one…we didn’t really have playtesters back then because all the playtesters were also creators & we didn’t want ppl to steal our ideas. We typically posted updates one world at a time and that’s how it was tested-through feedback on the forum. Hardly anyone ever actually ‘finished’ a hack, though. If it’s 1999 then the levels were probably edited with m3i, which was VERY primitive & you could not add or delete sprites or enemies to a level; you could only rearrange the existing sprites. So in a level like 5-9 for example, there’s not much that could be done with a level like that because there’s barely any sprites at all (the moving platforms are classified as enemies). So, level design was an extremely tedious process that often ended in sacrifice and compromise & most romhacks back then were just hammer Bro/flying fish takeovers of minimally altered existing Smb3 levels, while doing stuff like 2 or 3 boom booms in forts to make it more ‘challenging’. The graphics are phenomenal here at least. The frog suit level was great but I suspect he got frustrated with the amount of labor required to make a good level and his interest dwindled from there.
Man, I just missed stumbling on that scene by inches. I was into emulation and I was checking out hacks but I never found a community. I would have been hooked!
Also, with the overworld, we had to preserve all the spaces you could access in the original game because the airship would fly to spaces based on the original map and if there wasn’t a path to those spaces, you couldn’t continue. That’s why there’s that dead end/cul de sac area in the south end of the W1 map. It literally took years for anyone to figure out that you don’t actually need to have an airship at all!
It sure did have a ton of modification to it for its time, that's for sure. Impressive considering how primitive the tools were back then. still watching. Pros: cool overworld pipes, 5% of the graphics changes are neats
Tools are still primitive today lol. Smb3 is tough to mod either way imo
@@stompingpeak2043 the tools are improving. Also, the disassembly is a large buffet itself for customization.
The first look is really amazing, even the first level(s), but then it just keeps gettin worse and worse. So sad, so much potential missed (and the work with the sprites just for the garbage bin)
"Boring difficulty" was the trend back then. I'm guilty of it myself, and I'll make fun of myself for it. At least this one looked nicer than a lot of other, similar "boring difficulty" hacks from hack in the day.
Most of the sprites you described as cool-looking are from Super Mario Land 2.
8:35 Kosmic played a 1986 SMB hack that already had a kaizo block
I came here to say that xD
That was the first super mario hack, I believe.
This makes me want a game that stars Peach/Daisy/Rosalina/Pauline. It's time for the Princess to show she can deal with stuff like Mario.
That would be amazing. I'd love to see more of the girls in action.
Isn't Rosalina gigantic?
Pauline isn't a princess, she's a mayor. Also, while we're at it, let's throw in Toadette, Birdo, Queen Bee, Vivian and Goombette into the fold for a true multiplayer experience
Your natural ability to navigate these makes these roms and hacks so much more interesting.
Perhaps this was made by someone who was figuring out how to make hacks for his own joy and it ended up on the web somewhere. Without these people there wouldn't have been any hacks at all so thumbs up.
Even for an unfinished hack, I really enjoyed watching this playthrough. The changes to the first three worlds were cool to see, even if they were Nintendo Hard. Plus, I always wanted to play through SMB3 as Peach! Thanks for showing us this game :)
I remember downloading this in the early 2000’s, so maybe it was made in 1999. It was one of the first rom hacks I played, ah the good old days.
Yep, VERY reminiscent of the time period. I remember I saw this one available on a rom site back in the day but it got taken down before I could DL it. 20 years ago haters and Nintendo were very trigger happy about firing off DMCA or whatever copyright complaints so ROM host sites were very hit or miss. Same with vidya music host sites.
I think the only reason romhacks still exist online is because of laws regarding copyright. As long as hacks etc. isn't for profit and original systems are used (like NES etc.) you're free to modify what you've bought. It just can't be done for piracy reasons, and Nintendo can't exactly tell who owns SMB3 and a NES and who don't. I'm not sure about the US but EU is pretty strict when it comes to consumer rights. Romhacks is in a strange grey area but legally nothing wrong is being done as long as it's only shared among people that also owns a NES (but how do you check for that?). Music sites is a different matter tho, that shit can get taken down way faster for legal reasons etc.
@@T3n50r In USA there's a limit on copyright. I think it's about 25yrs. Unless you pay the renewal fee for retention of the intellectual property, it goes public.
But even if renewed (which most haven't been) it's still kind of superfluous.
So checking for "who owns what?" is almost nigh impossible. Because it's from an entirely different era where you actually owned the hardware. While they still own the i.p. trademark rights, there's no registry and no record of who has what. Only maybe record of sale.
With things being what they are today, trying to obsolete anything using analog RF coaxial cable and/or digital RCA cable, what have you, ownership is being limited to a very niche segment of the population. So the only reason the government would come after you for this is if they have other reasons for coming after you. To help kind of tack-on charges for putting you away. You'd have to be really notorious for that, or have other charges. (At which point it becomes obvious that commerce laws for the commerce types NOT covered under contracts is just a government revenue racket).
Plus the "reproduction" game crowds of retro console systems is a thing because we want to play some ROMhack masterpieces on genuine hardware. (I can point you in the direction of the programmer to do that and resources).
Plus you are allowed to make an archival backup copy of your own games from that era--but they don't tell you exactly how you can do that. Hence ROMs of the games exist. The hardware is nothing too special--as I have figured out.
In repro circles the only thing you can charge for is the service of converting donor cartridges or buying homebrew. And sometimes repro refers to reprogrammed cartridges and not just reproduction of the old games.
So basically that's where this situation comes from. How else do you play your game archive copy besides genuine hardware? Emulators.
Nintendo doesn't have a budget for litigious harassment of people like taxpayer funded government agencies can. And even only then it has to be _worth_ trying to ruin you legally.
Hacks are a legal grey area for sure. But the moderators and admin don't know what extent it is or is *not* valid. Hoping to just avoid the trouble they comply with takedown requests. Unfortunately the onus is on the uploader to "prove" their innocence to company policies enforcement.
If you're like I am, then you get doggedly possessed to clarify it and drive it into the ground. Bureaucracy hates me because I bust their butts.
@@GTA2SWcityYe, but that's the US. Super Mario and Nintendo is owned by Japan, and they have to follow EU laws and regulation for distribution and legal matters. They can't close down or legally go after a site that bases itself on modifications of hardware owned by people in the same way Converse can't go after people painting on their shoes and willing to paint other peoples shoes the same way free of charge since no profit is gained from it. It's creative commons law and freedom to do what you please with a product you own at this point, and not redistribution or similar.
Romhacks site isn't US based either as servers are based elsewhere if I'm not mistaken unless the same goes for the US as well, so to go after them they have to follow the laws regarding that region. 25 years or not, romhack sites were up and legally ran 20 years ago as well. Nintendo 100% have the budget and go after anyone they can if they're able to, people have been shut off from Etsy and whatnot. Japan is pretty strict and litigious about their products and will protect it to its hardest degree if they can, just look at Pokemon. No doubt in my mind Nintendo LOATHE SMW Central but can't do anything about it because laws and consumer rights.
Or am I wrong about something here? Feel free to correct me and direct me towards sources if I'm wrong, but this is what I've been told.
@@T3n50r I was just clarifying.
Probably best to look into the laws, you don't want to leave it to chance.
Yes actually that is correct about romhacks being under creative commons AFAIK internationally. Nationally it's the same thing here in USA. So long as there isn't a charge for _the rom itself_ then even on repro sites it isn't really breaking any laws. So anyone doesn't like it, romhacks on repro carts, they can kick rocks.
Now if it's an original ROM and the IP owner still has the copyright license that's another thing (usually because of a desire to sell it again digitally on current gen consoles). In which case Nintendo does very much have the power to pursue trademark infringement. That's explicit violations.
However the archiving issue (where this all comes from) was for compliance with consumer protection here in the USA at least. I can't personally speak to whether that's true anywhere else but I would presume the same thing.
That's kind of where the whole "don't download it if you don't own it" cane from but unless you are going to use digital forensics on everyone who ever downloaded it when they technically have some right to do it, that's not going anywhere, hacked rom or not.
How are they going to prove whether or not you own it? Short answer: they can't.
I think people getting shut down on etsy either aren't differentiating their product enough (like selling repros of original games), or it's frivolous petty reporting. As much as I'm sure people want to shut down mousebite labs, you can't shut down a guy selling printed circuit boards for repro. Nintendo already knows that is a losing fight because if they are going to hunt down people selling electronics components to create allegedly "counterfeit" or ,"derivative" product, the judge would laugh them out of court for two reasons:
-Their own A203 is a generic version of the processor 6502 with some copyrighted features disabled in order to avoid having to make royalty payments to Yamaha.
-components sold alone do not comprise the whole thing; so their argument of counterfeits would require proof of harm just like downloading roms when you can't verify game non-ownership, their arguments of derivative works falls flat if it isn't for profit.
@@GTA2SWcity I see, I now understand the whole thing a lot better now thanks to your informative reply. I appreciate it a lot that you took time out of your day to write this down and explain it to me :)
I find all of this very interesting tbh. Especially in terms of laws and where servers are located, how each country got to navigate through that + selling products in a digital age where it can be abused and whatever else consumers and pirates alike use these intricacies for themselves.
Have an amazing week, and thank you once again for explaining it to me in detail how it works in the US and in relation to Japan/Nintendo.
The idea of Peach saving the kingdom while Mario is on vacation is kind of adorable. Shame about the...everything else. My favorite kind of game design, making everything dark so the enemies are barely visible.
I think Peach's hammer suit sprite is cute, the black and white just looks terrible.
When it started I thought it was going to be really cool, then the first cheep cheep and hammer bro level started and I thought it was just hot garbage, but then, when I saw there are not more than three worlds modified... This is just an unfinished project, probably the first world was the only one tested and there's a high chance that a lot graphics and colors where just placeholders.
If I knew how to mod Mario 3, I would definitely pick it up and finish it, because I like the concept.
dont forget about hidden devstar in the first ship lol
I was on board with this hack up until the hammer bro spam, and then I was just laughing from WAY off the board when I saw the laser coming from thin air.
It's a bit mystifying, if you're going to go through the effort to make new and interesting sprite changes, which could NOT have been easy in 1999, why did they stop giving a crap about good level design so quickly? (I do see AlligatorArms' comments, those are helpful.)
In some areas this hack seems well ahead of its time, but in the stuff that matters, it's just garden variety, early cheap difficulty spikes.
The Hammer bro Peach looks like she drank entirely too much beer lol. Plus I remember fooling around with this Rom hack quite a while ago.
This rom hack is sick, not garbo. Just requires a lot of skill. But without unlimited power ups I don’t see this one getting beaten. Good job Mitch
@@doublebass1985 did you not like the hack?
Not that i've ever looked it up but I had no idea romhacks were a thing back then. Pretty cool to see.
Bro 1-6, I know you hated it but that the most fun I've had watching a stream ever. I laughed, I cried, I saw you finally win and still lose. Then you double snipe after you win 🏆. That was amazeballz
the graphics is a great aspect to remark in this hack, but obviously there mayor fact is lack of creativity in some levels, the other fact to consider is that difficult to create a good fun level, that is why some rom hacks are short...
definitely I will use some graphics as inspiration to my own hack
This is the Mario Maker of 1999
Well, it had potential... Perhaps it would've translated better with SNES Super Mario Bros. 3. At least Peach rescued Mario in the end, meaning it stuck to where the game was headed. lol
Gotta admit, the spritework in this is REALLY impressive!
It's fascinating to see the stark difference in level-design philosophy between this super-old hack and modern ones.
Modern hacks are all just Mario Maker clones. I prefer watching the older ones by a wide margin.
@@threehead99 you’ve not seen Rainbow Realms 1 or 2 then. There are some hack makers that still do traditional levels. It’s not easy to do well. Doublebass is a hack maker who does that well also. Really, hacking kinda demands implicitly that you “step it up” so I imagine some hack makers simply don’t want to do what they might call “more of the same thing”.
@@BlueFinch I know what you mean, but more and more, hacks anymore are "shell jump to here", "mid air to there", "spin jump through these obstacles" sort of cookie cutter themes.
the first kaizo was in SMB1 rom.
The mermaid frog suit is genius if just a tiny bit sexist. I about half lost my mind first time I saw it.
Would it be in poor form if you were to work with someone to “correct” this hack into something you’d enjoy more? There are a lot of cool elements here and it’d be a shame for it to go to waste.
It generally depends on the community and the person who created it. If the second is unknown, then generally it is acceptable with credit as best as possible to the original work.
I feel like the person that made this was doing either too many drugs or not enough drugs.
Send this hack to Carlsagan! He's going to love it
58:39 That's Mama Luigi.
I also have the same hack every time I Try to play the same game you're playing in world 2. 2-1
Lol what are you talking about? Her Hammer Brother suit is adorable!
PRINCESS IN FROG SUITE.... inspiration for starbucks logo
That white block part. I felt like you shoulda tried in the middle not sides. I was going crazy and asking WHY didn't just kill that one guy?!?!
11:20 haha you thought it was gonna scroll like Mega Man
Worth the hour watch! Cheers
Old rom hack of SMB3 in 1999
Peach? I remember when she was Toadstool.
Haven't watched the whole video since it is over an hour long, but from what I have seen so far, I don't see what's so bad about it. Haven't seen anything to make qualify as "bad".
hey i would like to see you play more rom hacks. you said in your video here you know most of them but there still has to be lots of hacks out there. as soon as i saw Peach & Daisy 1999 SMB3 Hack i was exited to watch you play it because i have never seen the game before. i would also watch you play Super Mario World rom hacks as well
Think I'll change a few of the sprites in this game. There's a few I don't like and need work
Sooooo many fishies... So little time..
so little little time, I really thought this hack was going to be good :(
the hack started well enough, but it seems the level design got degenerate pretty quick
SSBM announcer: *FAILURE*
Love the “p speed teehee” lol
I am not sure why stage 2-1 always freezes my guess is the person who made the game probably forgot to program the stage
Watching this makes me realize that world record holders only have them due to just sheer practice. Seeing him do levels without practice I can see his skill level is actually about on par with my own. Makes me feel a bit better about myself lol. I simply don't have the patience or the want to try to practice enough for a world record.
I played that rom hack before that was a long time ago
I think the mermaid suit might be a modified sprite from the Little Mermaid NES game.
Came to the comments to check if anyone else noticed that. Interesting start to a hack, but definitely unfinished.
Thanks Mitch, love your content. Still I would prefer the main game hardcore attempts, but this is good too.
57:09 how the hell did he do that 👀
this man should do a collab with mike matei
Lol I got a kick out of watching you suffer this hack, it looks difficult
I would have broken my controller
wow, that hack was trashier than the garbage levels in Mario Maker
well that was interesting i just wish the dev didnt give up 3 worlds in XD also less cheep cheeps........
This is pretty cool!
this hack is such a torture, it's painful to watch you play.
Ontario is OnTerrible
This hack is so bad I can’t even believe that it’s real it’s so broken and unoriginal.
ILL GO DOWNLOAD THE GAME ON THE WEBSITE.
Go Mitch and Go Truckers!
now you just need to play smb3 reloaded :D
This was painful to watch!
Sssssooooooo many hammer bros. Why can't you clip at pyramid after you clip by door? Can't clip through flat wall? Isn't exitvon other side?
This hack maker did NOT believe in testing their levels. Chad move. "Makes hack. doesn't playtest. leaves"
it's just priceless to see you get frustrated with the fact that the game is slightly harder than mario 3 I GO TO SAY THIS BURN PEATCH(B¡TCH*) RUN....😒⚠️.........
Peak level design. This game is dicks. Probably intended for save states
Nice rom
Wow, what a mix of reactions from this one - I thought the custom sprites were really nice, especially for the time - How did they even do stuff like that back then? Tanuki peach is SUPER cute imo lol. Then.... As the hack goes on, enemy spam, invisible or near-invisible stuff, and the game just imploding in on itself.... Maybe impressive for the time, but this thing sucks!
Mitch brother, no offense but i think you need to look into glasses my dude. Doing a lot of squinting
the only way to win the game is to not play it XD
Y’all are some haters. This looked very impressive to me.
Right. This isn't bad whatsoever.
Impressive sure, good? Nah.
Impressive for the time, when emulation itself was a marvel still. 1999 standards this is awesome, can't really use 2022 standards.
@@doublebass1985 jesus chill, dont forget there was someone behind it even if its bad there was some effort put into it, calling it a pile of puke is super rude man
@@doublebass1985 not an excuse to be an asshole
Bug hack
This hack is sack