Wanted to add a suggestion. Might be difficult, might be impossible. When you do these flashbacks for relevance or to support something said or reinforce something said, is it possible to include the date of that flashback as a subtitle or supertitle? You've got the date of the uploaded video and are adding the date of the stream within the description. But I think including the date of the flashback within the video in an upper or lower corner would reinforce what is being discussed. Love what you do, keep up the good work August.
@@Xeanorth95 I think they are, to some point. I mean, whichever conflict or outrageous bs comes out, ppl watch it and it's revenue - they all benefit from it
@@rare-6608 nahhhh that would only make sense if there were severe consequences. This is what ppl want to see and Destiny would love to publicly prove them wrong. We know that Max either has nothing at all or what he has is nonsense, and having these engagements that publicly comb through all of the details with her will ensure that any discrepancies in Max's doc have a public track record proving them to be false. At a certain point though, yes he does need to do that.
Unironic clout succubus. She sounds so stupid and malicious at the same time as she stumbles her way through lie after lie and when she gets stumped she goes all "muh mental health" which is just about the scummiest thing you can do as it makes people who don't know better have a negative view of those who legitimately struggle with mental illness. She is a parasitic slime.
My boi Aba truly won in this entire arc and this second season. Became Destiny's friend, was right about MrGirl and Lav, and is now living rent free in her head bruh. AND ITS BASICALLY FREE ENTERTAINMENT TOO COZ HE GETS TO WATCH ALL THIS SHIT, VICTORY LAP AND LAUGH. Truly no L's all dubs. Aba stay winning.
"Our enemy is simultaneously dangerous, powerful and evil, but also insecure, degenerate and weak." Im hearing Vaush in my head tell me about fascist talking points lmao.
It's actually kinda funny how Max winds her up for a week and releases her into the sphere to create chaos, over and over again lmao. At this point I believe that Mr Girl is doing this on purpose to entertain himself and all of us
it’s honestly funny the reason mr girl and lav dont like aba is because he was the first person to call them out on their weird behavior to destiny and other ppl
@@simon_777 Yeah but the thing with these internet streamers/creators is that they'll most likely just view these types of comments as groundless hate but when there's an actual voice behind those words, it just takes the impact to the nth degree because you're audibly confronted by it.
@@bananabunch4590 That's a fair enough point. I personally think he was just stating the obvious everyone noticed it but no one really said anything about it, and blame him like he was the main antagonist like they did is ridiculous.
The way she acted when talking to Destiny and preaching on her stream is so telling. She was smiling and almost shy - cause she was lying - with Destiny, but then super confident by herself when she has no one to counter her.
I've been trying to develop my own theory about grass touching. Some people, like Asmongold, are able to spend 24/7 in the same room and still maintain a healthy view of the world, while people like, I dunno, Vaush, spend a few hours online and develop an extremely toxic view of others. It's weird. Some people need to touch grass constantly to remind themselves of the outside world, while others start thinking the world outside is an incurable cesspool of frothing Nazis/degenerates. I wish I could come up with a clever title, like the Scale of Vegetative Tactile Deficiency Principle, or something.
I'm like a crack addict, every time I listen to Lav and Max content it makes me physically sick... Yet I keep coming back the second more drama gets released.
The timing of her responses with the earbuds in... chat wasn't telling her what you were doing, she was listening to the stream and waiting to live-respond.
I’ve come to the realization that Lav and Mr Girl was amazing for the stream. It really shows everyone that people like really exists and should be avoided at all costs.
The sheer ridiculousness of Lav complaining about Steven being abusive while wearing fake elf ears sent my sides into orbit. Holy crap these people really have nothing better to do with their lives.
Streaming is the narcissist playground man. These people just want people in their orbit to watch them 24/7. I watch when I’m bored, but holy crap I don’t know how anybody can willingly subject themselves to living through this crap in terms of experiencing it.
It's unreal. Imagining her adjusting her elf ears just right so she can go live to relitigate this drama for the hundredth time. At this point is there even a goal or is it just lav chasing the high she got being in destinys circle. The added irony is she found destiny through ana just to basically become the next ana.
@@TheTayquann I think he was trying to say that if Lav was truly traumatized by someone they wouldn't be making a video about it while doing hobby cosplay stuff on the side like it was just "girl talk" or gossip. Like lav looks oh so abused here as she shows off breaking stephens chains from around her LOL. (The way she keeps reformatting bad things she did into, "I won't let Steven hold this over me!" Truly the 9/11 of feminism)
I love the juxtaposition of her "little girl 🥺" voice in the panels when she's called out on her lies, versus on her own stream or with Max how she's suddenly a big scary angry badass who's taking a stance. We've gone from "I don't even know if I was abused I'm just asking questions" to "Stephen is an abusive abuser who abuses abuse victims with abuse" in the course of 12 hours.
She flips between the two 12 times a debate... She'll be in the "pity me" persona while someone is calling her out for three minutes straight, then they slip up, give the tiniest opening and "attack dog" lav pops out in an instant.
I also noticed that annoying confident I'm talking with as down voice she can, slowly and strech words, just like some knock-off James Bond villain. She sounds like a moron while doing that. It makes me think she Actually think this article has Any shot when it's not going to do anything. They have already proven themselves to be the most untrustworthy people to release some gotcha document. Only thing I'm thinking if they are That horrible that they literally manipulate some logs, convos, timelines and Steven have deleted them to not get an easy out of just showing how it's wrong. If they lie in it (which they will) it doesn't need more than one to make the whole thing not seem unrebuttable. In the end, no one can take these people seriously after all this so whatever.
@@taylor_o Or when someone defends her. Then she starts to flip out on everyone and say they were being big meanies and she instantly flip flops on all the "accountability" she claims to take. It's crazy how it's literally the same cycle every single time.
Now all the sudden Destiny is a "serial abuser" when she said over and over in the last stream she wasn't alleging any abuse occurred and she didn't know and it was just so nuanced
25:44 “Don’t talk about his kid please. You will be banned from chat” Lav literally like 2 days earlier: *In Chuds chat saying he’s worthless and will die lonely while asking where his kids are at*
I love the frequent misconception that victims of narcissistic abuse can't perpetuate narcissistic abuse. It's widely accepted that *many* perpetrators of abuse/bullying/etc. were victims of it themselves at one time. Even taking her at her word, presuming she is actually a victim as well, her actions betraying that just show how nuanced and multivarious human behaviour really is.
Yeah, when you grow up/spend a lot of time around narcissists, you develop a lot of manipulative maladaptive coping mechanisms, and when those are the only skills in your social/emotional toolkit, you’re absolutely useless at interacting with non-narcissists in any healthy way. A lot of the behaviors I see lav engage in (shifting her story/stance/alliances based on who she’s talking to -> learned that she has to cater reality to the person she’s talking to, when accused of something then darvo -> this is what was modeled for her in terms of what people do when called out, etc) all feel like they can be super easily related from point A to point B and if she wasn’t so completely unrepentant and uninterested in self improvement I’d feel super bad for her.
As someone who truly doesn’t exist in a world like this, it’s kind of sad how there’s basically a subsection of society where cluster bs basically abuse the next generation into cluster b, and then that generation finds each other because they’re naturally attracted to what they know. It’s basically a shit-show cabal of cluster b personalities fucking each other over, meanwhile most of us are usually untouched because if you’re not a cluster b you probably would laugh off any attempt by these sorts of people to suck you in. Kind of an immunity. Not to be an asshole, but even though Destiny is 100% in the right here it’s hard to possibly fathom that he isn’t also a cluster b due to his pattern of attraction to these psychos.
This is the definition of squeezing a rock for milk. The way this situation has been drawn out you would swear destiny did something illegal or had her do something against her will. People are just so scared to not be perfect on the internet this stuff happens everyday bruh
She can accept reality where she was responsible for her actions and downfall or she can follow max who tells her she's special and a victim. Max gave her a path where she never has to take responsibility which clearly she isn't used to doing.
Well you know you can stop watching these videos. Destiny said it himself, these drama videos do really well, so he'll continue doing them, if you want something else, stop watching it.
@@Hooga89 That is cope. He is hurt and cares a bunch about Lav and Max's opinion. There is plenty of drama that he could engage in to get views, but he doesn't because he isn't emotionally invested in it like he is with this
I think any given woman would be better off if she wore makeup but I think women as a whole are worse off because of makeup. I think taxes are good but you should not pay them if you don't have to. I think people should have to always wait at red lights but if the light went red and no one was crossing I would want to go through. There are numerous other examples where the individual interest is different to the group interest, but that doesn't make the positions contradictory, stupid or hypocritical.
@@he.5865 Choosing not to follow the rules because they're inconveinient to you in the moment is a pretty interesting way to say that you think you're better than everyone else, by which I mean you're an asshole.
The level of projection Lav engages in is actually astounding. Also the little gestures how she’s comforting herself while constantly lying are really telling.
"All he does is lie and abuse" meanwhile 3 days ago "um I don't think you lied... I think this are just a part of the system... Um actually I don't know if you abused anyone, I just trust max .." She's such a liar lmfao
Wow, good point. I never noticed that. She does hardcore engage in self-soothing physical ticks especially when she’s rationalizing obviously shitty behavior
Yeah you can tell now all of the patterns how she gets a little laugh in her voice how she starts to well up when she has to slow down and start lying hard, Or when she goes into her 1HP voice and then remembers that she can argue another point without addressing only to start yelling again But on the attack when she was giving excuses, lying and doing ppl wrong in the last whole chunk
Some people just love lying anr ruining ppls lives thriving on the attention they get no matter the consequences of their actions. Lav is that person. Ive never been this engaged in someone who is like that till now, other times its only been in movies or documentaries. But im watching this playout live
I'm starting to believe that Lav is the only girl who slept with Destiny to get onto his platform and is just super salty that she is the only person to do that with that sole purpose
I have never liked Lav, and as someone watching this entire thing unfold in real time I'm actually terrified that someone like her can even exist. Like there's no awareness behind those eyes, its just an insane person working with another insane person and reveling at the thought of trying to ruin someone else's life based on fictions they've made up in their head over their revisions of interactions. I don't know how Destiny managed to deal with her or Max as long as he has while simultaneously dealing with the fact that Destiny is infact a girls name
If you were there for the whole thing, can you explain to me why Destiny made her a part of his "orbit" and had sex with her if he knew she made false allegations against Hasan? I understand they're not on the best terms but come on...
It's hilarious how on one end we've got destiny on trial for being too popular and not taming people of their own judgement, and on the other we have the Tate fandom denying sex trafficking because he didn't hold a gun to their head.
The thing that irritates and brings me so much joy about Lav, is her unjustified confidence. She's feeling high after getting more info from max, it's obvious, but it will inevitably lead to a spectacular faceplant, as it always does. Yet she still goes to step on every rake in the yard, with absolute conviction.
@@Bruhngus420 it's so cemented as a pattern of hers I can't imagine she's as unaware of this as she pretends whenever she gets called out. It's flabbergasting to watch.
It kinda feels like the high flatearthers get from feeling like they're in the "know" and everyone else is wrong. She has this absolute rush attempting to convince people about her world view.
Gotta love the way she switches up her thought on the drop of a hat. Really went from "I don't think steven abused me, I really miss our friendship, I'm not apart of this Max article" to "FUCK STEVEN, HE ABUSED ME, ID REATHER EAT CLASS THAN BE FRIENDS WITH HIM AGAIN HES GONNA BE EXPOSED WHEN THE LOGS COME OUT"
BPD. They rewrite history to win any argument. They don't care who they hurt or what they do. They need attention so they don't feel abandoned. They're emotionally RAW. If ppl did NOT pay attention to them, they'd collapse and fall into depression.
The worst thing Destiny(& Orbiters) could do to lav is ignore her and max completely. The lack of attention given to both of them would drive them* crazier. I want that arc.
Lav is such a coward. When you confront her she back tracks to “umm…idk what my problem is with you…idk if I even have a problem with you….I don’t agree with Max” THE NEXT DAY: “he’s a serial abuser and a liar and he abused me” completely converging on Max’s assertion Total coward liar
I want to preface this with me being clear I'm not making excuses for Lav, she's a grown adult. I think it's moreso that she had Shaelin and MrGirl screaming at her in DMs and then browbeating her after that confrontation with Destiny. So they redid all the mindfucking. You could tell after Shaelin left the convo that she was focused on reading a lot more than listening to anything anyone said, and was why she became increasingly detached from the convo and aggressive, and more firm in her stance of Steve being an abuser and started falling more in line with his narrative. Most likely because Destiny scared the shit out of MrGirl because he had Lav considering not allowing her logs to be used in his article, and when you think you're fighting evil, you don't think you're manipulating people, you think you're saving them.
The drama has now progressed to the "they're having proxy debates with each other through chat relay in their separate streams" level. This is when you know you're dealing with an S tier villain.
"a large audience, who he has trained into thinking everything Steven does is permissible" could take one look at the reddit to know that's not true. "hopefully gonna stop sex work" is GOLDEN lmaoooo Also she keeps saying she's going to leak more logs, but all of the logs she's leaked so far either don't make her look better or make her look worse
This is like the 10th level of projection. Hell. Honest to god, I've never seen anybody project this hard in my entire life. Lav has been caught lying red-handed multiple times, but she has the balls to accuse destiny of being the serial liar. Just insane.
It's infuriating but at the same time, it's a masterclass on gaslighting. where you or I would think "I can't say that nobody will buy it", she proves we'Re utterly wrong. Theres no limit to the projection you can engage in.
Imagine Lav's mom goes on a stream one day and it becomes painfully apparent that she's a normal, well-adjusted lady who wishes her daughter was healthy. Maybe not likely, as Lav's genes had to come from somewhere, but at this point, it wouldn't be that big of a surprise.
That’s probably true. It’s always the most privileged women crying mental illness and childhood abuse when really all it is they’re just spoiled brats who ugly cry when they don’t get their way.
i was thinking the same lol, what if all the "my mom was abusive" was all bullshiet and in reality her mom was a well adjusted lady who did nothing wrong to her,.
I was literally just thinking about this. I dont think its likely, but based on how she talks about Destiny and how little we have seen of him doing anything wrong (if anything at all) i could totally see a world where her mother is just a normal lady with a crazy daughter
@@holy1to325 i even doubt of the mental illness she claim to have, in this weird era we are living ppl seems to think than having a mental condition its a caracter trait and that make them special, il never trust on someone who use teraphy lingo like this btch...
Every time Lav says something about Destiny, she literally just says something she did but pins it on Destiny. "He lies constantly, he's dumb, he's so reckless. how does that make steven look good?" the projection is off the charts
It’s so odd. I’ve been an Aba N Preach fan for so much longer than I’ve been a Destiny one. Aba is not even an “orbiter” in my mind. Like, I guess you could call him that, but him and preach make extremely successful content on their own. They’re incredibly professional and usually when they go a little hard, they’ve been known to acknowledge their flaws. Lav needs help, seriously, she needs a sabbatical from the internet.
14:49 "bullying us smaller creators" i like how it's always so convenient when she wants herself to call "small creator" but also likes to brag about how she has more followers on tiktok and is probably bigger than destiny in discord chats.
@@Jrez Whatever makes her look good is good, and whatever makes her look bad is bad. Instead of calling it cognitive dissonance, or even hypocrisy, I would call it doublethink.
@🌟 Wander the Nomad In that sense, I'd say it's more just general hypocrisy. Because it's not like one is good and the other is bad, it's that the facts go one way in one scenario and the other way in another scenario depending on how they're trying to appear.
"Steven's audience is a bunch of sycophants who have been trained to thinking everything he does is permissable" I'm sorry WHAT? He got blown the fuck out whenever he initially defended her in the first place... did she just not see that at all? I guess that's the selective amnesia acting up again.
A huge reason why I keep coming back to these, is it’s a wonderful reminder of how great life can be. If she, or Max had other shit going on - say they weren’t sure if they’d starve this winter or that their bones were at risk of breaking anytime they walked ~ I doubt they’d have the energy, time to do this sorta thing. Regardless of one’s position, we all create our own problems. Many difficulties / hardship is based on perception. I’ve always been too scared to have a kid, scared of bringing innocent life into this world. But, honestly there may not be a better time to be alive.
So Lav walks back every thing she says..... then states she walked everything back because she was confused as Steven was "painting a narrative". In other words..... you couldn't refute a single thing he said, conceded these points.... but still want to say it was all lies. GENIUS! Why didn't I think of that!?
Destiny's view is that Lav started it so he's going to make content addressing it. He doesn't really care that her bad actions are often fueled by her mental health issues because she's trying to ruin his reputation. Personally I think it would be better to ignore it and focus on content that actually matters but Destiny knows social drama is popular and he has said he also finds it exhilarating when people are trying to destroy him. Seems self destructive to me though.
It’s not as bad as Ana. I felt so bad for her, sometimes I couldn’t watch. She’d be crying, babbling. She clearly has mental issues. Tbh it made me question Destiny’s morality when he started sexting her again.
I literally couldn’t care less about Mr. Girl. Bit this chick is astonishingly unlikable. Like, I want to watch, but her voice and mannerisms are perfect torture. Her narcissism knows no bounds.
@@laizerwoolf But if the lolcow is getting boring they will eventially not be a lolcow anymore and just be irrelevant. As far as I see it they are getting boring, but hey there might be a lot of people who keeps finding it entertaining. Tbh I would find it more funny if DGG didnt go to her stream so she wouldnt get the viewer count.
Honestly feels like I'm losing my mind with how bizarrely lenient people seem to be towards Lav in all of this. Max is a manipulator, and oozes of psychopath. Not in the twitter and reddit sense, but in the actual clinical sense. But the idea that Lav is being gaslighted and brainwashed here is such a weird notion, it almost seems like a cope. What Max did is put out the idea that she could do this, and she, with practically no hesitation, went for it. That's not the behavior of some mentally unstable person who got brainwashed. That's the behavior of a fellow psychopath who was given an idea. It's bizarre how people can't seem to see the obvious when it comes to Lav. The way she talks, gesticulates, changes her voice. All of it is pure, intentional, manipulation. The kind you see with narcissists and psychopaths. When it comes down to it, I'm 100% sure she and Max are doing this for the same reason: Narcissistic/psychopathic lashing out due to a bruised ego. If Max had never met her, she'd probably be acting about the same, just to a smaller audience. tl;dr - Classic case of crazy spurned bitch. Don't know why people seem to almost want to make excuses for her by implying brainwashing.
Saying “everyone Destiny has talked to is dumb” is such a weird way to discredit him, and on top of that it implies she thinks she’s like top tier intellectual people he’s ever discussed things with before.
Or her pretending to read chat and responding when she is clearly watching the stream when you can hear Destiny's laugh reverberate into her own @ 11:20
I think one big problem is that the only way to be friends with Lav again is to accept her lies, because she will never accept that she is wrong about anything
At 1:11:00, this reminds me of something she also does when lying. This type of lie that she does maybe called temporal fallacy. When you lie about the timing and/or dates of events in order to serve a bias narrative. There is nothing out there officially about this, but this happened to me with exes & friends. They will confuse or change the temporal aspects of events/details. Example * Person A: Why did you not call me when you got to the airport? Person B: I did, I called you when I arrived. Person A: So you are at the airport now? Why did you not tell me. Person B: I did, just now and when I called you earlier. Person A: No, you said that you called me now. Person B: (Mentally tries to figure out how explain the incorrect statements of Person A) Person A: (Will continue on the next point in order to gain the ground) It's not clear until you see that Person A used the later time (the 2nd call) to back their narrative and did not accept that they may have just not remembered or missed the first call. Lav does this a lot with events and conversations. She will bring up an event, explain it in incorrect or misleading dates and sequences of events. When cornered in what she said, she will throw a Red Herring to dodge the cornering point. To which she will again misrepresent timing and dates of another talking point. She practices this with gaslighting temporal aspects of situations and tries to say that nothing she said was actually wrong. Serving her narrative.
When I saw lav on the latest panel, I was wondering why people even listen to her anymore? I found myself getting angry with the people who haven’t yet worked out that she’s a literal waste of time. Why speak to someone who constantly lies on camera, and doesn’t know whether she’s coming or going?
@@Stop_Gooning And him further clarifying that point with "see she is smart look at how she constantly contradicts herself l, it makes me think I'm going crazy" actually made me dumber upon hearing it.
It always seems to be a pattern where someone with past abuse is in one of two polar opposite camps. Lav is seemingly under the impression that an abuse victim cannot be abusive and will go on her life thinking that while being incredibly manipulative and abusive. And others who become so hyper aware of abuse that they become so meek and question if everything they’re doing is abusive themselves
Destiny 1:12:12 "... I always steel-man your position when you're not there." Lav "You did. You did, when I was sending you pictures." Also Lav 1:15:34 "...I didn't say that you, what the.. you are like pulling this out of your ass i didn't say that you steel-maned a position of mine because i sent you ... blah blah... " It takes a little over 3 minutes for this to happen, I wish you guys would see this live and then talk about how it effects the conversations and how this is the problem that happens all the time that is the issue leading to all the BS
The fact that she think destiny can control aba. Like if aba genuinely thought something he would go against it because destiny told him to he wouldn’t need a actual compelling reason. Basically just insulted the shit out of aba for no reason
@@user-cd4ms6cf8l not finna make this about her being racist because u don’t know that shit and I don’t I’m just saying that what she said bout aba was lame af
Oh yeah. She most definitely did all this because she’s in love with Steven and expected him to leave Mel and make her his new queen. I’m not even kidding. And when I say in love I mean Lav’s idea of in love because this clearly is and always has been, an obsession.
She's doing so well. She feels like she needs to get on stream to tell everyone about it. Yeah, that's generally the marker of someone in good mental health standing
I love how she only admitted she was all in on the article after it became clear Destiny wasn't buying her "I am only neutral if you still want to become friendly one day" act. Also, is "elf ears and intentionally-loose overalls that only barely hide boobs" really the appropriate attire for a radfem against sex work talking about her victimization by a scary abuser? That's very funny
Simple explanation: Lav and Max wanted/expected more out of the relationship. both are hurt emotionally/ego. Both are now wanting to hurt(revenge)Steven so he’ll pay for their pain he caused them.
That may be the case for Lav, but Max genuinely seems to drink his own koolaid and believe his own bullshit, and feels justified. Lav may be half vengeful, maybe half mindfucked by Max, but I think Max is a true believer. Destiny is just his latest Dr. K
Lav is so sad. Like the way she talks about how she needs male attention just makes me want to give her a hug or recommend a good therapist. Unfortunately girls like lav won’t stop until you attention starve her.
@@Dielawn69 well I mean it more like she’s a victim of being her own worst enemy. I feel bad that she put herself in this position but at the same time I’m not surprised she’s in this situation due to her never taking accountability
Honestly think it's a power trip. It's not as much about attention as she needs the thrill of manipulating the emotions of men. She dresses it up as helpless compulsion but Freud would have had a field day with her, using terms like 'sublimation' to romanticize it. Her lies and idiosyncrasies betray a deeply sexist person to me anyway
One major red flag I heard that I think many people missed was her saying Destiny always "fights for his life" during conversations - a takeway from that could be she doesn't see words to be harmful and has always gotten away with saying whatever she wants because it's only words. That tracks with just about everything she's ever done. Her entire internet relevency revolves around Destiny drama at this point. She's clinging to this for dear life and knows that if this dies down, so does her career. Also - I'm sorry but the line "if she were three points lower on the scale she'd be working at Burger King for the rest of her life" had me DEAD lol SO TRUE
You know, the reason why people believe Steven, is because he has proven to be a constant source of reliable information and not afraid to be public, open, and to constantly confront lies from a lot of different people and other people, such as Aba, tend to be reliable, admit to any mistakes, and call out lies with evidence or explain how he thought something looked when he finds out he was wrong and a does what it takes to make amends.
I think even people who went in this hating Steven could still hate Steven by the end but think he's 100% in the right on this one. Lav literally just thinks she has the right to lie and damage people when her feelings are hurt then can come back and say "I don't know why I'm being held to these standards?" Those standards literally just being people saying "is this true tho?"
" I have a few simps(basically)... All he has is a network, a career, a following, a family, money, skills...so hes basically fucked" At least she has Islam
I like how it's apparent how this entire stream is a gigantic cope for herself. It's sad and honestly wish her the best, even if she's going to do the exact opposite of that.
The only reason why she's saying she has nothing left to lose is because she's gaslight and brainwashed her fiance into believing she never talked bad about him and that destiny is lying lol destiny really needs to release all the smack she was sayinglol
Its kinda depressing to watch someone blatantly lie nonstop, get confronted, then backpedal everything, then after the confrontation is done just get back to lying. How do you never learn your lesson?
She looks good in elf ears. The idea that Lav is smart is insane to me. She cannot hold two thoughts in her head at the same time. That's why she contradicts herself every other sentence. She wouldn't pass a Turing test lol
Todays mental health awareness video brought to you by L machine. "I have nothing to lose!" Proceeds to list good things in her life she could potentially lose. This shits wildly performative but also just kinda sad.
I like how Lav speaks with such certainty and it's a bunch of BS and speculation. It's not "I think he's so scared" it's "he's so scared". Meanwhile destiny qualifies his statements so much, it's always "I think this", "I am guessing this".
@@chronographer I saw it as more delusional than anything but I grew up white, like not the nerdy white either, the trench coat kid without the trench coat yk lmao
I'm genuinely baffled. Watching somebody be so horribly manipulated in real time is actually scary. I watched the Discord call prior to this video, When it's this fresh its so creepy. Her inability to self-forward her points whilst in that call then after what appears to be a "Max and Shaelin debrief" it's like shes fresh, hot off the press mentally put together with this same spew of lies. It's insane to think that the two people causing this horrendous emotional manipulation towards Lav are the same people writing a article about emotional abuse. It's honestly like something out of a fucking deep, entrenched romantic film. Jesus
I’m new and it’s not too much of a loss. Seems lav and destiny hooked up. They weren’t hooking up for a period but destiny was having her on stream so she could get her views out. People did not like her cause she’s seems very insane and were mean to her. Lav caught feeling and or was just angry at how she’s been treated from his audience so now she’s saying that Destiny used her and was leveraging their sex life.😂
Oh and she also goes back and forth about how he did what he could but also didn’t do enough. Sometimes he’s an abuser and sometimes he’s not per her own words.
@@JB-kr3xz Nah, you forgot the Mr Girl involvement - which is the main part IMO. Mr Girl thought Destiny abused him when he got banned from his Subreddit, after he tried to make destiny bow to his commands. He then finds out Lav and destiny hooked up in the past, and started to poison her mind against destiny saying both him and her were abused by destiny.
Out of all of this the crime of it all is Destiny keeps saying Lav is uber attractive. I think just about any other woman he's talked to is more attractive. I usually dont make comments about appearance but this is just insane to me about how off the mark he is on that.
She's the perfect example of why make up is effective. She's normally pretty mid. I dont think it's wrong to talk about someones apprearance when not only do they constantly claim to be so fucking attractive but also that you should pity them because their attractiveness causes so much pain for them lol. Obviously itd be a different story if someone was just living their life and you put of the blue judge their appearance. But Lav definitely opens up the door imo
@@Dielawn69 exactly my thought like she's not ugly but he keeps saying shes super hot and like a 8/10 and no way can i agree if you need to cake on a ton of makeup to get there
Destiny FINALLY Confronts Lav ►th-cam.com/video/i90thbmSNMo/w-d-xo.html
LEAVE LAV ALONE! MrGirl's Girlfriend Gets Into Screaming Match w/ Everyone ►th-cam.com/video/Hc7iy7bVSUk/w-d-xo.html
DGGL
DGGW
Wanted to add a suggestion. Might be difficult, might be impossible. When you do these flashbacks for relevance or to support something said or reinforce something said, is it possible to include the date of that flashback as a subtitle or supertitle? You've got the date of the uploaded video and are adding the date of the stream within the description. But I think including the date of the flashback within the video in an upper or lower corner would reinforce what is being discussed. Love what you do, keep up the good work August.
@@mishka300 L brown nose
@@kiritimatiswan1986 I am absolutely a brown nose for August. Problem?
I make fun of my girlfriend for watching reality shows on TLC and then I remember I'm actually invested in this.
Those are shows tho this is reality
@@akaiye you mean these are not scripted??? 😕
Well tbf to you this is actually reality
😂
@@Xeanorth95 I think they are, to some point. I mean, whichever conflict or outrageous bs comes out, ppl watch it and it's revenue - they all benefit from it
The elf ears are actually symbolic of the fantasy world Lav lives in.
They are not elves years! They are like goblins or dwarfs ears at best. 😊
Broooooooo!
No lie they’re cute as fuck and I totally want some lol
All her pathetic fans will just ooze over her with them on.
Lav gets incredibly satiated being involved in this drama no matter the outcome.
It’s great to see her embrace being goblin-kin with the ears. She just needs make-up to match the hideous way she had that room painted.
It would be nice if destiny and everyone else would ignore her.
@@rare-6608 nahhhh that would only make sense if there were severe consequences. This is what ppl want to see and Destiny would love to publicly prove them wrong. We know that Max either has nothing at all or what he has is nonsense, and having these engagements that publicly comb through all of the details with her will ensure that any discrepancies in Max's doc have a public track record proving them to be false. At a certain point though, yes he does need to do that.
women 🍵
Unironic clout succubus. She sounds so stupid and malicious at the same time as she stumbles her way through lie after lie and when she gets stumped she goes all "muh mental health" which is just about the scummiest thing you can do as it makes people who don't know better have a negative view of those who legitimately struggle with mental illness. She is a parasitic slime.
My boi Aba truly won in this entire arc and this second season. Became Destiny's friend, was right about MrGirl and Lav, and is now living rent free in her head bruh. AND ITS BASICALLY FREE ENTERTAINMENT TOO COZ HE GETS TO WATCH ALL THIS SHIT, VICTORY LAP AND LAUGH. Truly no L's all dubs. Aba stay winning.
wow
With grammar so poor you must be a graduate of Hustler's U
it is a SIIIIICKNEESSSSS
Aba's secret is great simplicity.
"I would rather eat glass than engage with a serial abuser."
Proceeds to sit in MrGirl's lap and drink in his manipulative words like holy mana.
Ironic hehe
'Steven has no real world power.' Oops there goes all the allegations of abuse.
😂😂😂😂😂 tell me she don't remind you of amber heard
"Our enemy is simultaneously dangerous, powerful and evil, but also insecure, degenerate and weak." Im hearing Vaush in my head tell me about fascist talking points lmao.
Gotta love women, showing exactly why they have 0 credibility that they’ll blame the patriarchy for
Not how that works
@@milk-el8vq wow, so brave.
It's actually kinda funny how Max winds her up for a week and releases her into the sphere to create chaos, over and over again lmao. At this point I believe that Mr Girl is doing this on purpose to entertain himself and all of us
beyblade of drama
Probably to keep reminding people that either of them exist. She’s like his walking, talking advertisement for his article.
MrGirl is like a chaos god from 40k and Lav is the lesser demon he releases upon the sphere.
Yeah, Mr Girl must be the most powerful persuasive person ever.
Yes, MrGirl loves Steven so much that he's doing this to create as much content as possible
Does Aba have to pay taxes on his real estate property in Lav’s head?
it’s honestly funny the reason mr girl and lav dont like aba is because he was the first person to call them out on their weird behavior to destiny and other ppl
@@dread3165 when he was just repeating what chat had been saying for a few weeks
@@simon_777 Yeah but the thing with these internet streamers/creators is that they'll most likely just view these types of comments as groundless hate but when there's an actual voice behind those words, it just takes the impact to the nth degree because you're audibly confronted by it.
@@bananabunch4590 That's a fair enough point. I personally think he was just stating the obvious everyone noticed it but no one really said anything about it, and blame him like he was the main antagonist like they did is ridiculous.
ya 14% since he lives in quebec
I was so blown away when lav called mean messages on twitter abuse. It’s so destructive to abuse victims.
The way she acted when talking to Destiny and preaching on her stream is so telling. She was smiling and almost shy - cause she was lying - with Destiny, but then super confident by herself when she has no one to counter her.
Lav is a prime example of a person who needs to limit their online activity HEAVILY. All of this is needless.
unironically she needs one of those timers you put on kids computers
I've been trying to develop my own theory about grass touching. Some people, like Asmongold, are able to spend 24/7 in the same room and still maintain a healthy view of the world, while people like, I dunno, Vaush, spend a few hours online and develop an extremely toxic view of others. It's weird. Some people need to touch grass constantly to remind themselves of the outside world, while others start thinking the world outside is an incurable cesspool of frothing Nazis/degenerates. I wish I could come up with a clever title, like the Scale of Vegetative Tactile Deficiency Principle, or something.
@@ivansmirnoff6987 Formalize the concept, and I'll 100% back and watch it xD.
Steven is online all day
Holy fuck I butchered that second to last sentence. I meant to say some need to constantly touch grass, other people don't need it.
Lav has the intelligence and charisma of mildew
And yet Destiny still beat, I bet he knew
this too, ( just needed add context, lol).
@@jdkingsley6543 and yet destiny thinks she's very intelligent and interesting
@@thefluffythinker773 My dawg Steve just wants women that look like hairless cats and smell like pennies
Mildew won't victimize itself for months.
@@thefluffythinker773 that wasn’t destiny praise
I'm like a crack addict, every time I listen to Lav and Max content it makes me physically sick... Yet I keep coming back the second more drama gets released.
That's not how it works. You get sick when you don't have crack and then when you smoke crack you feel normal again.
Same bruh
Bro I wanna turn it off so bad but I can’t 😂😂 I’m astonished at how little self-awareness one can have
the cringe i go through feels like withdrawal
It's a soap opera. We are bought in baby, and there's no going back until this ship has SAILED
The timing of her responses with the earbuds in... chat wasn't telling her what you were doing, she was listening to the stream and waiting to live-respond.
11:20 listen for the laugh
@@Segphalt HOOOOOLLLYYYYY caught in 4K
@@Segphalt just.. wonderful
Oh my god You can see it.
That's why I heard an echo there LMAO
Oh man
I’ve come to the realization that Lav and Mr Girl was amazing for the stream. It really shows everyone that people like really exists and should be avoided at all costs.
The sheer ridiculousness of Lav complaining about Steven being abusive while wearing fake elf ears sent my sides into orbit. Holy crap these people really have nothing better to do with their lives.
Streaming is the narcissist playground man. These people just want people in their orbit to watch them 24/7. I watch when I’m bored, but holy crap I don’t know how anybody can willingly subject themselves to living through this crap in terms of experiencing it.
Gotta get those views somehow
It's unreal. Imagining her adjusting her elf ears just right so she can go live to relitigate this drama for the hundredth time. At this point is there even a goal or is it just lav chasing the high she got being in destinys circle. The added irony is she found destiny through ana just to basically become the next ana.
I don’t get the correlation
@@TheTayquann I think he was trying to say that if Lav was truly traumatized by someone they wouldn't be making a video about it while doing hobby cosplay stuff on the side like it was just "girl talk" or gossip. Like lav looks oh so abused here as she shows off breaking stephens chains from around her LOL. (The way she keeps reformatting bad things she did into, "I won't let Steven hold this over me!" Truly the 9/11 of feminism)
I love the juxtaposition of her "little girl 🥺" voice in the panels when she's called out on her lies, versus on her own stream or with Max how she's suddenly a big scary angry badass who's taking a stance.
We've gone from "I don't even know if I was abused I'm just asking questions" to "Stephen is an abusive abuser who abuses abuse victims with abuse" in the course of 12 hours.
She has definitely inculcated a ton of manipulative behavior she is completely unaware or uncaring about.
She flips between the two 12 times a debate... She'll be in the "pity me" persona while someone is calling her out for three minutes straight, then they slip up, give the tiniest opening and "attack dog" lav pops out in an instant.
The lack of self-awareness is just incredibly amazing.
I also noticed that annoying confident I'm talking with as down voice she can, slowly and strech words, just like some knock-off James Bond villain. She sounds like a moron while doing that. It makes me think she Actually think this article has Any shot when it's not going to do anything. They have already proven themselves to be the most untrustworthy people to release some gotcha document.
Only thing I'm thinking if they are That horrible that they literally manipulate some logs, convos, timelines and Steven have deleted them to not get an easy out of just showing how it's wrong. If they lie in it (which they will) it doesn't need more than one to make the whole thing not seem unrebuttable. In the end, no one can take these people seriously after all this so whatever.
@@taylor_o Or when someone defends her. Then she starts to flip out on everyone and say they were being big meanies and she instantly flip flops on all the "accountability" she claims to take. It's crazy how it's literally the same cycle every single time.
Now all the sudden Destiny is a "serial abuser" when she said over and over in the last stream she wasn't alleging any abuse occurred and she didn't know and it was just so nuanced
25:44 “Don’t talk about his kid please. You will be banned from chat”
Lav literally like 2 days earlier: *In Chuds chat saying he’s worthless and will die lonely while asking where his kids are at*
I love the frequent misconception that victims of narcissistic abuse can't perpetuate narcissistic abuse. It's widely accepted that *many* perpetrators of abuse/bullying/etc. were victims of it themselves at one time. Even taking her at her word, presuming she is actually a victim as well, her actions betraying that just show how nuanced and multivarious human behaviour really is.
Yeah, when you grow up/spend a lot of time around narcissists, you develop a lot of manipulative maladaptive coping mechanisms, and when those are the only skills in your social/emotional toolkit, you’re absolutely useless at interacting with non-narcissists in any healthy way.
A lot of the behaviors I see lav engage in (shifting her story/stance/alliances based on who she’s talking to -> learned that she has to cater reality to the person she’s talking to, when accused of something then darvo -> this is what was modeled for her in terms of what people do when called out, etc) all feel like they can be super easily related from point A to point B and if she wasn’t so completely unrepentant and uninterested in self improvement I’d feel super bad for her.
As someone who truly doesn’t exist in a world like this, it’s kind of sad how there’s basically a subsection of society where cluster bs basically abuse the next generation into cluster b, and then that generation finds each other because they’re naturally attracted to what they know. It’s basically a shit-show cabal of cluster b personalities fucking each other over, meanwhile most of us are usually untouched because if you’re not a cluster b you probably would laugh off any attempt by these sorts of people to suck you in. Kind of an immunity. Not to be an asshole, but even though Destiny is 100% in the right here it’s hard to possibly fathom that he isn’t also a cluster b due to his pattern of attraction to these psychos.
This is the definition of squeezing a rock for milk. The way this situation has been drawn out you would swear destiny did something illegal or had her do something against her will. People are just so scared to not be perfect on the internet this stuff happens everyday bruh
He said just ignore this and wait for her to dry out of content
She can accept reality where she was responsible for her actions and downfall or she can follow max who tells her she's special and a victim. Max gave her a path where she never has to take responsibility which clearly she isn't used to doing.
Well you know you can stop watching these videos. Destiny said it himself, these drama videos do really well, so he'll continue doing them, if you want something else, stop watching it.
@@Hooga89 I'm not talking about destiny smoov brain I'm talking about her
@@Hooga89 That is cope. He is hurt and cares a bunch about Lav and Max's opinion. There is plenty of drama that he could engage in to get views, but he doesn't because he isn't emotionally invested in it like he is with this
Lav will always just be known as the "I'm anti-sexwork" girl that does sex work. How ironic 🤡
Incel 🤡
Who lies about and falsely acuses men
I think any given woman would be better off if she wore makeup but I think women as a whole are worse off because of makeup. I think taxes are good but you should not pay them if you don't have to. I think people should have to always wait at red lights but if the light went red and no one was crossing I would want to go through. There are numerous other examples where the individual interest is different to the group interest, but that doesn't make the positions contradictory, stupid or hypocritical.
@@he.5865 Choosing not to follow the rules because they're inconveinient to you in the moment is a pretty interesting way to say that you think you're better than everyone else, by which I mean you're an asshole.
@@he.5865 She's choosing money and convenience over a principle. People are going to find that objectionable.
The level of projection Lav engages in is actually astounding. Also the little gestures how she’s comforting herself while constantly lying are really telling.
"All he does is lie and abuse" meanwhile 3 days ago "um I don't think you lied... I think this are just a part of the system... Um actually I don't know if you abused anyone, I just trust max .."
She's such a liar lmfao
its at the point where its radio active :D
Wow, good point. I never noticed that. She does hardcore engage in self-soothing physical ticks especially when she’s rationalizing obviously shitty behavior
Yeah you can tell now all of the patterns how she gets a little laugh in her voice how she starts to well up when she has to slow down and start lying hard, Or when she goes into her 1HP voice and then remembers that she can argue another point without addressing only to start yelling again But on the attack when she was giving excuses, lying and doing ppl wrong in the last whole chunk
Some people just love lying anr ruining ppls lives thriving on the attention they get no matter the consequences of their actions. Lav is that person. Ive never been this engaged in someone who is like that till now, other times its only been in movies or documentaries. But im watching this playout live
I'm starting to believe that Lav is the only girl who slept with Destiny to get onto his platform and is just super salty that she is the only person to do that with that sole purpose
I have never liked Lav, and as someone watching this entire thing unfold in real time I'm actually terrified that someone like her can even exist.
Like there's no awareness behind those eyes, its just an insane person working with another insane person and reveling at the thought of trying to ruin someone else's life based on fictions they've made up in their head over their revisions of interactions.
I don't know how Destiny managed to deal with her or Max as long as he has while simultaneously dealing with the fact that Destiny is infact a girls name
Because he records EVERYTHING for such an event
If you were there for the whole thing, can you explain to me why Destiny made her a part of his "orbit" and had sex with her if he knew she made false allegations against Hasan? I understand they're not on the best terms but come on...
Seems she has BPD or close to it. This is exactly what they do 🤣
It's hilarious how on one end we've got destiny on trial for being too popular and not taming people of their own judgement, and on the other we have the Tate fandom denying sex trafficking because he didn't hold a gun to their head.
bUt ShOw Me HoW tHeY wErE bEiNg KePt AgAiNsT tHeIr WiLl WhEn tHeY wEnT jOgGiNg (with armed bodyguards)
@@tristn9 even if there weren't any armed guards this situation of Mr. Girl keeping Lav on a leash just reminds me of the Tate situation so much
You can tell Lav is unhealthily obsessed with our girl Destiny. She can’t help but smile whenever she says her name.
His?
@@apeirotopecrow7957 lemme edit that real quick lol
@@KingDonXVI Do not misgender our blue haired half Cuban queen ever again, *OR ELSE!!*
She gets so giddy. Weirdo. I wouldn't be giddy if my "abuser" joined a call I was on.
@@anjaxtv it’s so strange.
When mr.child abandons Lav because he no longer needs her, Lav is going to feel some serious darkness lmao damn
That’s the content I’m waiting for
Almost makes you feel bad, until you remember it couldn’t happen to a worse person.
Honestly, Lav probably doesn't even care she's getting negative attention. She just wants attention, regardless if it's positive or negative.
The thing that irritates and brings me so much joy about Lav, is her unjustified confidence. She's feeling high after getting more info from max, it's obvious, but it will inevitably lead to a spectacular faceplant, as it always does. Yet she still goes to step on every rake in the yard, with absolute conviction.
it’s literally cope
@@Bruhngus420 it's so cemented as a pattern of hers I can't imagine she's as unaware of this as she pretends whenever she gets called out. It's flabbergasting to watch.
@@catfoodz yeah
Ok imma use "stepping on a rake" regularly now.
It kinda feels like the high flatearthers get from feeling like they're in the "know" and everyone else is wrong.
She has this absolute rush attempting to convince people about her world view.
I've got whiplash from Lav constantly changing her position on things.
Sounds like she's more flexible with her option than in her only fans.
Lmao, gotcha incel.
@@ChaseFace haha 😂
Gotta love the way she switches up her thought on the drop of a hat. Really went from "I don't think steven abused me, I really miss our friendship, I'm not apart of this Max article" to "FUCK STEVEN, HE ABUSED ME, ID REATHER EAT CLASS THAN BE FRIENDS WITH HIM AGAIN HES GONNA BE EXPOSED WHEN THE LOGS COME OUT"
ON GAWD shit is just crazy how often and fast she switches up when the camera goes up and down
No no no. She has always held the same positions. You just misinterpreted. Remember??? Gatekeep, gaslight, girl boss
BPD. They rewrite history to win any argument. They don't care who they hurt or what they do. They need attention so they don't feel abandoned. They're emotionally RAW. If ppl did NOT pay attention to them, they'd collapse and fall into depression.
The worst thing Destiny(& Orbiters) could do to lav is ignore her and max completely.
The lack of attention given to both of them would drive them* crazier.
I want that arc.
One thing I'm surprised destiny never brought up here is lav not even knowing what abuse means. She literally thought it just meant being mean.
As is the case for most Wah-men these days
Lav is such a coward. When you confront her she back tracks to “umm…idk what my problem is with you…idk if I even have a problem with you….I don’t agree with Max”
THE NEXT DAY: “he’s a serial abuser and a liar and he abused me” completely converging on Max’s assertion
Total coward liar
I want to preface this with me being clear I'm not making excuses for Lav, she's a grown adult.
I think it's moreso that she had Shaelin and MrGirl screaming at her in DMs and then browbeating her after that confrontation with Destiny. So they redid all the mindfucking. You could tell after Shaelin left the convo that she was focused on reading a lot more than listening to anything anyone said, and was why she became increasingly detached from the convo and aggressive, and more firm in her stance of Steve being an abuser and started falling more in line with his narrative.
Most likely because Destiny scared the shit out of MrGirl because he had Lav considering not allowing her logs to be used in his article, and when you think you're fighting evil, you don't think you're manipulating people, you think you're saving them.
I’m embarrassed by how closely I’ve been following this drama I watch every single video
IT'S CONTENT NIGGAS WE EAT THAT
Same😮
It’s pretty entertaining
Same. It’s my fucking crack. I put Lav on and just relax like yeah I might be a massive idiot in relationships but by god can it be worse
Can you summarize what destiny is being accused of? I don’t get it
The drama has now progressed to the "they're having proxy debates with each other through chat relay in their separate streams" level. This is when you know you're dealing with an S tier villain.
That moment when you hear Destiny’s cackle through her stream as she keeps acting aloof and pretending to read chat was so sad it was hilarious
@@thegrimeyhole timestamp?
@@thegrimeyhole timestamp
@@sonicboom564 start at 11:20 and listen for like 20 secs
I knew thats what i heard lol yikers
"a large audience, who he has trained into thinking everything Steven does is permissible" could take one look at the reddit to know that's not true.
"hopefully gonna stop sex work" is GOLDEN lmaoooo
Also she keeps saying she's going to leak more logs, but all of the logs she's leaked so far either don't make her look better or make her look worse
I don't understand how she can even be in sex work, she barely reaches mid at best. People must be hopelessly desperate if she's attractive to them.
I give it less than 2 months before Lav pivots from a confident "do your worst" to snot-crying on stream
3 weeks
@@donjulio420 I was trying to be generous, but you're probably right 😅
This is like the 10th level of projection. Hell. Honest to god, I've never seen anybody project this hard in my entire life. Lav has been caught lying red-handed multiple times, but she has the balls to accuse destiny of being the serial liar. Just insane.
It's infuriating but at the same time, it's a masterclass on gaslighting. where you or I would think "I can't say that nobody will buy it", she proves we'Re utterly wrong. Theres no limit to the projection you can engage in.
@@rickysmith2184wait… is this a vegan comment or?
Aba literally haunts her dreams lmaoooo
IT IZ A SICKNESSSSSS!!!!
@@Observette OF THA HIGHEST ORDER!!!
Another W for Aba!
@@streetside2833 AND WE DO NOT WANT IT!
Aba is just a walking W
Imagine Lav's mom goes on a stream one day and it becomes painfully apparent that she's a normal, well-adjusted lady who wishes her daughter was healthy. Maybe not likely, as Lav's genes had to come from somewhere, but at this point, it wouldn't be that big of a surprise.
That’s probably true. It’s always the most privileged women crying mental illness and childhood abuse when really all it is they’re just spoiled brats who ugly cry when they don’t get their way.
Lol "those genes have to come from somewhere" shook me. Always a bigger fish
i was thinking the same lol, what if all the "my mom was abusive" was all bullshiet and in reality her mom was a well adjusted lady who did nothing wrong to her,.
I was literally just thinking about this. I dont think its likely, but based on how she talks about Destiny and how little we have seen of him doing anything wrong (if anything at all) i could totally see a world where her mother is just a normal lady with a crazy daughter
@@holy1to325 i even doubt of the mental illness she claim to have, in this weird era we are living ppl seems to think than having a mental condition its a caracter trait and that make them special, il never trust on someone who use teraphy lingo like this btch...
Every time Lav says something about Destiny, she literally just says something she did but pins it on Destiny. "He lies constantly, he's dumb, he's so reckless. how does that make steven look good?" the projection is off the charts
It’s so odd. I’ve been an Aba N Preach fan for so much longer than I’ve been a Destiny one. Aba is not even an “orbiter” in my mind. Like, I guess you could call him that, but him and preach make extremely successful content on their own. They’re incredibly professional and usually when they go a little hard, they’ve been known to acknowledge their flaws. Lav needs help, seriously, she needs a sabbatical from the internet.
21:30 Lav: Steven lies constantly is stupids and reckless
Also Lav: *did this stream*
14:49 "bullying us smaller creators" i like how it's always so convenient when she wants herself to call "small creator" but also likes to brag about how she has more followers on tiktok and is probably bigger than destiny in discord chats.
Textbook cognitive dissonance
And makes more money than him since she was 18 years old, almost a million dollars per year just on only fans
'He's so abusive with the power dynamic' and yet 'Steven has no real world power'.
@@Jrez Whatever makes her look good is good, and whatever makes her look bad is bad. Instead of calling it cognitive dissonance, or even hypocrisy, I would call it doublethink.
@🌟 Wander the
Nomad In that sense, I'd say it's more just general hypocrisy. Because it's not like one is good and the other is bad, it's that the facts go one way in one scenario and the other way in another scenario depending on how they're trying to appear.
We need a "Steven" counter on her streams. My God it's like every third word.
Lav: Steven is looping
Also lav: Steven Steven Steven Steven
Everyone else:
The vast emptiness of the eternal void known as space:
Lav: Steven Stevens steveningly
"Steven's audience is a bunch of sycophants who have been trained to thinking everything he does is permissable" I'm sorry WHAT? He got blown the fuck out whenever he initially defended her in the first place... did she just not see that at all? I guess that's the selective amnesia acting up again.
A huge reason why I keep coming back to these, is it’s a wonderful reminder of how great life can be. If she, or Max had other shit going on - say they weren’t sure if they’d starve this winter or that their bones were at risk of breaking anytime they walked ~ I doubt they’d have the energy, time to do this sorta thing.
Regardless of one’s position, we all create our own problems. Many difficulties / hardship is based on perception.
I’ve always been too scared to have a kid, scared of bringing innocent life into this world. But, honestly there may not be a better time to be alive.
So Lav walks back every thing she says..... then states she walked everything back because she was confused as Steven was "painting a narrative". In other words..... you couldn't refute a single thing he said, conceded these points.... but still want to say it was all lies.
GENIUS! Why didn't I think of that!?
I’m conflicted guys, Lav is always great for content but it feels like watching an addict drink himself to death for our amusement
Destiny's view is that Lav started it so he's going to make content addressing it. He doesn't really care that her bad actions are often fueled by her mental health issues because she's trying to ruin his reputation.
Personally I think it would be better to ignore it and focus on content that actually matters but Destiny knows social drama is popular and he has said he also finds it exhilarating when people are trying to destroy him. Seems self destructive to me though.
This content is empty calories. It tastes good but dear God it's just making us fat and stupid.
It’s not as bad as Ana. I felt so bad for her, sometimes I couldn’t watch. She’d be crying, babbling. She clearly has mental issues. Tbh it made me question Destiny’s morality when he started sexting her again.
Onlyusemelav
MrGirl and Lav is giving us the gift of content. Their insanity is our entertainment.
I literally couldn’t care less about Mr. Girl. Bit this chick is astonishingly unlikable. Like, I want to watch, but her voice and mannerisms are perfect torture. Her narcissism knows no bounds.
Yeah but at this point its looping over and over and the content isnt evolving. I would say they are boring at this point.
@@patty40897 couldn't have said it better myself
Basically the definition of lolcow
@@laizerwoolf But if the lolcow is getting boring they will eventially not be a lolcow anymore and just be irrelevant. As far as I see it they are getting boring, but hey there might be a lot of people who keeps finding it entertaining. Tbh I would find it more funny if DGG didnt go to her stream so she wouldnt get the viewer count.
Honestly feels like I'm losing my mind with how bizarrely lenient people seem to be towards Lav in all of this. Max is a manipulator, and oozes of psychopath. Not in the twitter and reddit sense, but in the actual clinical sense. But the idea that Lav is being gaslighted and brainwashed here is such a weird notion, it almost seems like a cope.
What Max did is put out the idea that she could do this, and she, with practically no hesitation, went for it. That's not the behavior of some mentally unstable person who got brainwashed. That's the behavior of a fellow psychopath who was given an idea. It's bizarre how people can't seem to see the obvious when it comes to Lav. The way she talks, gesticulates, changes her voice. All of it is pure, intentional, manipulation. The kind you see with narcissists and psychopaths.
When it comes down to it, I'm 100% sure she and Max are doing this for the same reason: Narcissistic/psychopathic lashing out due to a bruised ego. If Max had never met her, she'd probably be acting about the same, just to a smaller audience.
tl;dr - Classic case of crazy spurned bitch. Don't know why people seem to almost want to make excuses for her by implying brainwashing.
Saying “everyone Destiny has talked to is dumb” is such a weird way to discredit him, and on top of that it implies she thinks she’s like top tier intellectual people he’s ever discussed things with before.
Love the tone change when she realized steven was watching the stream
Or her pretending to read chat and responding when she is clearly watching the stream when you can hear Destiny's laugh reverberate into her own @ 11:20
hahahaha
I think one big problem is that the only way to be friends with Lav again is to accept her lies, because she will never accept that she is wrong about anything
11:20 when Destiny's laugh reverberates into her stream 💀
Holy shit didn't even notice that lol 🤣
lmaooo
@@ag55ful BRO LMAOOOOO
HOLY FUCK LMAO someone point that out to destiny
GOOD catch
A few weeks from now lav will say "I didn't call him a serial abuser"
At 1:11:00, this reminds me of something she also does when lying. This type of lie that she does maybe called temporal fallacy. When you lie about the timing and/or dates of events in order to serve a bias narrative. There is nothing out there officially about this, but this happened to me with exes & friends. They will confuse or change the temporal aspects of events/details.
Example *
Person A: Why did you not call me when you got to the airport?
Person B: I did, I called you when I arrived.
Person A: So you are at the airport now? Why did you not tell me.
Person B: I did, just now and when I called you earlier.
Person A: No, you said that you called me now.
Person B: (Mentally tries to figure out how explain the incorrect statements of Person A)
Person A: (Will continue on the next point in order to gain the ground)
It's not clear until you see that Person A used the later time (the 2nd call) to back their narrative and did not accept that they may have just not remembered or missed the first call.
Lav does this a lot with events and conversations. She will bring up an event, explain it in incorrect or misleading dates and sequences of events. When cornered in what she said, she will throw a Red Herring to dodge the cornering point. To which she will again misrepresent timing and dates of another talking point. She practices this with gaslighting temporal aspects of situations and tries to say that nothing she said was actually wrong. Serving her narrative.
At @11:20 "I'm hopefully stopping sex work" *Manic laughter* seconds later the same laughter is heard through her stream. I cried laughing.
Lmaoooooo good spot
I could not believe that happened lol
Holy shit she was so fucking MADDDD lol
When I saw lav on the latest panel, I was wondering why people even listen to her anymore? I found myself getting angry with the people who haven’t yet worked out that she’s a literal waste of time. Why speak to someone who constantly lies on camera, and doesn’t know whether she’s coming or going?
Memes
As terrible as these people are, Steven will do anything for what he considers to be 'good content'
As chud has said she's a lulcow
I think it’s both for content and to combat the outlandish accusations
Destiny saying he didn't lie while I'm sure there's many vod where he called Lav smart ...
😂😂
@@Stop_Gooning And him further clarifying that point with "see she is smart look at how she constantly contradicts herself l, it makes me think I'm going crazy" actually made me dumber upon hearing it.
It always seems to be a pattern where someone with past abuse is in one of two polar opposite camps.
Lav is seemingly under the impression that an abuse victim cannot be abusive and will go on her life thinking that while being incredibly manipulative and abusive.
And others who become so hyper aware of abuse that they become so meek and question if everything they’re doing is abusive themselves
Destiny 1:12:12 "... I always steel-man your position when you're not there."
Lav "You did. You did, when I was sending you pictures."
Also Lav 1:15:34 "...I didn't say that you, what the.. you are like pulling this out of your ass i didn't say that you steel-maned a position of mine because i sent you ... blah blah... "
It takes a little over 3 minutes for this to happen, I wish you guys would see this live and then talk about how it effects the conversations and how this is the problem that happens all the time that is the issue leading to all the BS
The fact that she think destiny can control aba. Like if aba genuinely thought something he would go against it because destiny told him to he wouldn’t need a actual compelling reason. Basically just insulted the shit out of aba for no reason
I mean have you heard lav talk about black men?
@@user-cd4ms6cf8l I haven't, what?
@@user-cd4ms6cf8l not finna make this about her being racist because u don’t know that shit and I don’t I’m just saying that what she said bout aba was lame af
When Destiny is loudly laughing I could swear you can hear it on Lavs strea. I think they are watching each other.
They are lmao
Dude, I think she digs you personally….. look at all the time & energy she puts in about you….
THAT'S exactly what it is.
Oh shit you got it, she caught feeling so she projected.
Yea I'm sure the part she's latched on to is destiny and not the association with him which results in her getting paid
Oh yeah. She most definitely did all this because she’s in love with Steven and expected him to leave Mel and make her his new queen. I’m not even kidding. And when I say in love I mean Lav’s idea of in love because this clearly is and always has been, an obsession.
@@Observette borderline fatal attraction 👀
She's doing so well. She feels like she needs to get on stream to tell everyone about it. Yeah, that's generally the marker of someone in good mental health standing
Be careful, I don't know if Lav will understand this sarcasm
I love how she only admitted she was all in on the article after it became clear Destiny wasn't buying her "I am only neutral if you still want to become friendly one day" act.
Also, is "elf ears and intentionally-loose overalls that only barely hide boobs" really the appropriate attire for a radfem against sex work talking about her victimization by a scary abuser? That's very funny
Definitely think she's listening to the stream cos at 11:28 it sounds like you can hear Destiny's laugh echo
11:20 when you hear destiny's laugh echo through her stream as she watches, holy shit this is too funny!
That's amazing.
hahaha, did not catch that the first time. that's funny
Simple explanation: Lav and Max wanted/expected more out of the relationship. both are hurt emotionally/ego. Both are now wanting to hurt(revenge)Steven so he’ll pay for their pain he caused them.
That may be the case for Lav, but Max genuinely seems to drink his own koolaid and believe his own bullshit, and feels justified. Lav may be half vengeful, maybe half mindfucked by Max, but I think Max is a true believer. Destiny is just his latest Dr. K
Lav is so sad. Like the way she talks about how she needs male attention just makes me want to give her a hug or recommend a good therapist. Unfortunately girls like lav won’t stop until you attention starve her.
@@Dielawn69 she is not THE victim but its sad what she is doing, and the way she is destroying her reputation. Thats why
@@Dielawn69 well I mean it more like she’s a victim of being her own worst enemy. I feel bad that she put herself in this position but at the same time I’m not surprised she’s in this situation due to her never taking accountability
@@oscar12ty yes exactly!! Thank you for clarifying that😂😂
Honestly think it's a power trip. It's not as much about attention as she needs the thrill of manipulating the emotions of men. She dresses it up as helpless compulsion but Freud would have had a field day with her, using terms like 'sublimation' to romanticize it.
Her lies and idiosyncrasies betray a deeply sexist person to me anyway
Okay incel baby.
One major red flag I heard that I think many people missed was her saying Destiny always "fights for his life" during conversations - a takeway from that could be she doesn't see words to be harmful and has always gotten away with saying whatever she wants because it's only words. That tracks with just about everything she's ever done.
Her entire internet relevency revolves around Destiny drama at this point. She's clinging to this for dear life and knows that if this dies down, so does her career.
Also - I'm sorry but the line "if she were three points lower on the scale she'd be working at Burger King for the rest of her life" had me DEAD lol SO TRUE
You know, the reason why people believe Steven, is because he has proven to be a constant source of reliable information and not afraid to be public, open, and to constantly confront lies from a lot of different people and other people, such as Aba, tend to be reliable, admit to any mistakes, and call out lies with evidence or explain how he thought something looked when he finds out he was wrong and a does what it takes to make amends.
I think even people who went in this hating Steven could still hate Steven by the end but think he's 100% in the right on this one.
Lav literally just thinks she has the right to lie and damage people when her feelings are hurt then can come back and say "I don't know why I'm being held to these standards?"
Those standards literally just being people saying "is this true tho?"
"Yo Destiny, control your pet he's outta line" - Lav's dumbass 2023
" I have a few simps(basically)... All he has is a network, a career, a following, a family, money, skills...so hes basically fucked" At least she has Islam
I like how it's apparent how this entire stream is a gigantic cope for herself. It's sad and honestly wish her the best, even if she's going to do the exact opposite of that.
yeah, kinda give the same vibe of the grossgore video when he was tryin to convince us that we were insecure if we didnt engage in cuckholding lol.
She has a baphamet tattoo that says enough
@@TubeWusel to whom? And it says lust and apathy around it. Just saying theres a lot of unstabilty or potenial red flags readily aparent with her.
The only reason why she's saying she has nothing left to lose is because she's gaslight and brainwashed her fiance into believing she never talked bad about him and that destiny is lying lol destiny really needs to release all the smack she was sayinglol
Its kinda depressing to watch someone blatantly lie nonstop, get confronted, then backpedal everything, then after the confrontation is done just get back to lying. How do you never learn your lesson?
Woman moment
Lav is such an amazing, intelligent, and attractive person on opposite day
Live, lav, love ❤❤❤
Your a real funny guy huh
@@zachburdick34 *you’re
She looks good in elf ears.
The idea that Lav is smart is insane to me. She cannot hold two thoughts in her head at the same time. That's why she contradicts herself every other sentence. She wouldn't pass a Turing test lol
Todays mental health awareness video brought to you by L machine.
"I have nothing to lose!" Proceeds to list good things in her life she could potentially lose. This shits wildly performative but also just kinda sad.
You hear destiny steam looping back though lava headphones at 11:29
I like how Lav speaks with such certainty and it's a bunch of BS and speculation. It's not "I think he's so scared" it's "he's so scared". Meanwhile destiny qualifies his statements so much, it's always "I think this", "I am guessing this".
Steven would attract people like this.
"Destiny can control Aba" 🤢
I’d love to see her tell that to his face
That sounds a bit racist doesn't it? Came off that way to me.
@@chronographer I saw it as more delusional than anything but I grew up white, like not the nerdy white either, the trench coat kid without the trench coat yk lmao
@@GAPIntoTheGame Aba would most definitely laugh his ass off at first no doubt in my mind
Lav drama season 2 is what we needed but not what we deserved
Isn't that just a remake? The content didn't change one bit. At least release the manifesto MrGirl to give it a little fresh input.
I'm genuinely baffled. Watching somebody be so horribly manipulated in real time is actually scary. I watched the Discord call prior to this video, When it's this fresh its so creepy. Her inability to self-forward her points whilst in that call then after what appears to be a "Max and Shaelin debrief" it's like shes fresh, hot off the press mentally put together with this same spew of lies. It's insane to think that the two people causing this horrendous emotional manipulation towards Lav are the same people writing a article about emotional abuse. It's honestly like something out of a fucking deep, entrenched romantic film. Jesus
Lol this shit aged like fine wine. "Everything is public Steven". Yes it is Lav, and it makes you look like an unhinged sociopath 🤣
Remember guys, she's an empath.
Live, Lav, Loop.
thats so fucking funny
I wish I started this arc from the beginning because I'm so lost whenever a new Lav/Mr. Girl video is posted.
I’m new and it’s not too much of a loss. Seems lav and destiny hooked up. They weren’t hooking up for a period but destiny was having her on stream so she could get her views out. People did not like her cause she’s seems very insane and were mean to her. Lav caught feeling and or was just angry at how she’s been treated from his audience so now she’s saying that Destiny used her and was leveraging their sex life.😂
Oh and she also goes back and forth about how he did what he could but also didn’t do enough. Sometimes he’s an abuser and sometimes he’s not per her own words.
@@JB-kr3xz Nah, you forgot the Mr Girl involvement - which is the main part IMO. Mr Girl thought Destiny abused him when he got banned from his Subreddit, after he tried to make destiny bow to his commands. He then finds out Lav and destiny hooked up in the past, and started to poison her mind against destiny saying both him and her were abused by destiny.
I mean the videos are available for your viewing pleasure.
@@esinach ah you are right. I wasn’t sure why Mr.Girl didn’t like Destiny in the first place. Thank you for the catch up
I love how Steven says he's flirty with Erudite as somehow proof that he was not trying to smash, lol
It's so funny whenever there's a "Whaaaaat?" from Lav you can practically see the cope/lie in her expression 😂
I like how she said she has never talked about destinys body but literally said he was uncircumcised.
She's literally rewriting history over and over, looping harder than Ana
Mr Girl is obviously a narcissist but Lav is like... "my emotions are the most important thing in the room", she's really self focused
Out of all of this the crime of it all is Destiny keeps saying Lav is uber attractive. I think just about any other woman he's talked to is more attractive. I usually dont make comments about appearance but this is just insane to me about how off the mark he is on that.
She's the perfect example of why make up is effective. She's normally pretty mid. I dont think it's wrong to talk about someones apprearance when not only do they constantly claim to be so fucking attractive but also that you should pity them because their attractiveness causes so much pain for them lol. Obviously itd be a different story if someone was just living their life and you put of the blue judge their appearance. But Lav definitely opens up the door imo
@@Dielawn69 exactly my thought like she's not ugly but he keeps saying shes super hot and like a 8/10 and no way can i agree if you need to cake on a ton of makeup to get there