The Cheating in NASCAR Compilation You've Been Asking For!
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- We've been able to feature some incredible stories about the innovative ways NASCAR competitors can find to bend the rules ... or, if you must ... flat-out cheat.
Included in this compilation are five of the most open and honest discussion of NASCAR trickery you'll find anywhere on TH-cam, elsewhere on the Internet or even in the garage itself.
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NASCAR should have bought Smokey's shop and made it a museum.
Damn straight! Smokey belongs in the HOF!!!
@@ronniewatkins… It never happened (and the HOF nomination will never happen) because Bill France Jr. couldn’t stand Yunick’s “disrespect” towards the sanctioning body, and the ease with which Smokey could get under his and his father’s skin. He’d just as soon walk away like he didn’t need a thing from NASCAR’s brass…and DID when he went IndyCar racing and made great strides in that racing series…
@@twoblacklabs904 france hated smokey because he was smarter than france and wasn't afraid to tell him that!
😅six3⁰iron klopp erkek
@@ryanstuckey8677 Smokey wouldn't be controlled by France is more the truth. EVERYTHING 'Ol Bill did was to lone his pockets... and his descendants have continued that family creed.
I couldn’t hit the like button fast enough. Those ol’ characters is what made NASCAR so fun. I’m just sitting here smiling at those stories. Those guys are my heroes.
This is just what you call "practical engineering": Getting what you want out of what you've got.
Some of my favorite stories involved The Elliott Brothers, Like using the Roll bar as an extra fuel cell, narrowing the car so no one could draft Bill, and I still wanna know how he came from 3 laps down to win that dang race, there had to be some underhanded help somewhere.
Ernie Elliott HP 😂
The Elliott Brothers were so brilliant and excellent gamesmen: Their “creativity” was masked by their “aw shucks” down-home Georgia boy personas. They seemed like genuinely great guys, but they were as interested in winning as everyone else. Them not hiring anyone from NC to guard their secrets is telling. I’d love to know what was going on with that Talladega car too.
@@b.w.22 , We followed Bills career for a long time, used to watch him race at the local track in GA @ Lanier Raceway. He just lived the next county over from us, we were all about the same age. Sadly we did not get to watch him finish his career as we moved away to a place that didn't televise NASCAR, but we cheer Chase on and remember how much he races like his daddy did.
Now I’m not mechanically inclined enough to really know what I’m talking about but I think Smokey Yunick said the Elliotts did have horsepower but they had a trick rear differential where the axle came disconnected to differential on both sides and it handle like an independent suspension and he got through the corners better. I don’t think back then NASCAR wasn’t as strict on inspecting the cars after the race. I don’t know.
@@edmondcamp2878 - Interesting. I’ve never heard of that, uh, “exploit.” If figures like DW are to be believed (and they should be), the post-race inspection in the past was pretty limited. It seems to me that they were most interested in things to do with the engine and I can’t imagine back then that they’d be opening up the transmission or rear-end, right? A lot has been made of the “aero” of their ‘85 car and its dimensions, like I’ve heard it was some percentage smaller or narrower, but man - they clearly had some muscle in their engines and weren’t blowing them up like they did in the early 80’s.
Where’d you hear about that trick rear-end? I’ve heard of transmissions where “the gears all fall out” and reverts to basically a straight-drive, though how that all works remains elusive to me, but I’d not heard of where it becomes rear independent suspension!
These are the best discussions. Really appreciate it..
I read a story by Smokey years ago in circle track magazine about him and someone else putting blades on the clutch and shaping the inside of the bell housing to make a turbine that blew into the air cleaner. I don’t think it made much because of the materials he had to work with at the time. It fascinated me as a kid, the ingenuity those guys had was awesome.
A TURBO ON THE CLUTCH?? 😊😮👅🤭
@@ludicrous7044 technically I think it was more of a centrifugal supercharger, but yes. They put turbine style fins on the pressure plate and shaped the bell housing to make it more efficient. It pulled air from under the car and discharged out of the top of the bell housing into the bottom of the air cleaner. It was in an old circle track racing magazine in the early 90’s if my memory is correct.
@@Paul_D_Lashleyholy shitballs. thank you for that! 😎
We need to get a rid of the officials at NASCAR give NASCAR back to the people in the drivers. And tell the drivers if they smash up more than two cars in a season they're not racing for the rest of the season.
I wasn't cheating nobody, I was just trying to make the race. Haha
My favorite story was Smokey Yunick doing a very simple fix of bigger fuel lines which gave a few extra laps worth fuel. Simple but yet effective.
The best ones still have not been found.
Thanks For Uploading Rick And Steve
Anything in the vault of a driver purposefully wrecking an opponent for the win (not a bump-n-run or fighting for same space)? Asking for a friend 😅
WAAH WAAH WAAH
Still can't believe Ricky Rudd got a 5-sec penalty for Sonoma 1991
Hi Austin.
This video is awesome! One thing that STILL goes on today are fuel additives though I'm told The France Cosa Nostra has cracked down on it. I remain skeptical. Defeating the restrictor plate was THE goto area to "bypass" the rules and it's not that difficult once you gain a very basic working knowledge basic fluid flow dynamics.(Think Venturi affect or Bernoulli's Law, i.e. aircraft wing profile) I suspect that engineers at both Ford and Chrysler plus GM frequently helped a few select teams as the sophisticated cylinder heads + intakes + exhaust systems I observed didn't magically appear of a random race shop from a guy with an 8th grade education. It's highly unlikely that cheat intake cheat is still in use today due to the more rigorous inspecting. Hell, all France did was hire a few of the really "creative" mechanics as inspectors and most of the shenanigans were over. Fun times while it lasted.... and you can bet they're still trying even today.
The best one I remember was the extra air run through the restrictor plate by using the carburetor mounting studs. Rules state ' all intake through the restricter plate ' not. ' the throttle holes ' but still not in the spirit of the rules.
That was Kenny Schrader in the #25 (i think) Extra long carb studs that wouldn’t let the carb seal to the plate. It’s also possible the plate would allow air to pass under the plate at speed. They got away with that for over a year I believe
@@deantait8326
No. The extra air enters from holes drilled horizontally in the base plate of the carb above the restrictor plate, around the carburetor studs, through the restrictor plate, then into the intake manifold. The studs were hourglass shaped and sunk in the manifold an extra half inch past other drilled holes into the manifold throat. Throttle plate mounting holes were oversized, aligned and sealed with a step washer on the nuts.
All air was controled by the throttle blades and came through the carburetor and went through the restrictor plate, just not all through the (4) 11/16 holes in the restrictor plate like it was supposed to. 100% by the letter of the rules, just not the intent. Caught at Daytona, first restrictor plate race of the year.
Sounds like Slugger Labbe was more interested in what the rule book DIDN"T say than what it did say. I like that.
The Hendricks car with Ken Shrader with the huge ‘vacuum’ leak… err air intake under the restrictor plate… dominant at Daytona/ Talledega for 4-5 races? Or #4 at the restrictor plate tracks and I’m still not sure what they did… but now I do 😳😎
Thats an old circle track trick......leave the 2 front carb bolts kinda loose....when the throttle is pushed.."pulling the carb".....giving the front of the carb a little "lift"...air leak.....more air....basic cheatin stuff,lol
One guy looks like Cale Yarborough and the other looks like Junior Johnson and JD McDuffie
And this is what made NASCAR. Not a field of identical cars with identical races and teams. Skill, ingenuity, creativity, craftsmanship, determination. These "gray areas" are what kept the small hometown teams on the track with the big dogs. Something we will never see again.
That's certainly how it started, too! It began with cars that looked like Grandma's, but Unless Grandma had been drinking moonshine, like the car, They usually weren't capable of going that fast!
Couldn't care less about who wins or loses, but this is fascinating. Old school NASCAR cheating is just plain fun.
I love these videos. This stuff goes on in every industry in racing. Whether it’s lighter, bigger, smaller, taller or shorter. Slugger said it best it’s an advantage. The people writing the rules are smart but they are writing them not analyzing them. It’s the same thing if you are working on something and can’t figure it out and beating your head against the wall and someone else walks up and goes “why don’t you do this” or that goes here not there” and it clicks in your head. It’s another set of eyes that hasn’t seen what you are doing. That all this is. If it’s really bad you are getting hammered for it, but if it’s down right amazing and really cool you can’t use it but damn it it’s good
Slugger isn't his real name.
@@baboracus no really thanks for the info. I know this. Ever thought about not trying to correct everyone in everything you do. People have nick names but you probably never got one of those.
@@tyesalhus5604 he lied about his name, obviously he's going to cheat.
@@baboracus if you are under the impression that he’s the only person in NASCAR that cheats you are very misinformed. Every single team and driver has been apart of an illegal car. Even Dale Sr and Jr. Everyone bends the rules in racing. You can name any team you want and they have ran at least one thing illegal on one of their cars, whether getting caught or not. If you want to argue that you don’t know racing or NASCAR. NASCAR driver in the early years were moonshine runners IE criminals so they aren’t going to cheat. This conversation is so frickin stupid I have zero clue why I’m still talking to you. The video was great and good views now I’m talking to someone that is crying because someone is using their nickname so he’s a cheater and I’m goin die on this mountain telling the world the NASCAR is a good,wholesome, church loving, god fearing men and women that never try to gain an advantage by racing in the grey area you are wrong I’m sorry you are wrong plain and simple. Please stop replying to this because I’m super tired of it.
@@tyesalhus5604 A nickname would be Richard "Slugger" Labbe.. A lying/cheating BSer would try to pass his government issued ID as Slugger Labbe. The best thing about NASCAR was the names of those involved (Sterlin Marlin, Booty Barker, Hermie Sadler, Lake Speed) so when a guy tries to pass off a fake name to fit in to the cool names in NASCAR its a dirty trick.
Two of my favorites - 1. DW and his oversized fuel line that held like 3 extra gallons.... 2. in the early days of restrictor plates Harry Gant (I believe it was) used hollow bolts to mount the carb to the intake manifold overcoming the restrictor plate limitation on air intake.
N20 doesn't really "cool the fuel". The gaseous compound contains oxygen and nitrogen; it is an oxidizer often used in rocket fuel. Generally, anything with "ox or O" in its name contains an oxygen molecule. Thus, when heated, the gases separates freeing the oxygen molecule which allows for a hotter gasoline combustion flame === more HP. There were cars with N20 in their fire extinguishers. If you want to talk foolish, Foyt did it at Indy which was like riding around in an armed missile! Nuts.
The Woods Brothers fancy carb 1st comes to mind. The desperation to run nitrous lol
If you aren't looking for an advantage then you aren't doing your job. That is something that will never change your in racing.
*all competition.
Good video. Especially like D.K. Ulrich!
AH, this was back when NASCAR was great. The rulebook was treated more like guidelines than rules. My favorite was Smokey's 2 inch by 11-foot fuel lines.
I hope more compilation videos are coming.
But where is animated Steve Waid?
Read everything Smokey ever had in ink when I was young on building motors , and if you enjoy building old first gen engines that's almost a bible .
This is the stuff that made NASCAR what it was ..such great days
The ones I feel the worst for are the ones that cheated like hell, got away with it and never broke the top 10.
...wow, very, very interesting stories! "Who Won??!" is always the Headline & media focus but the Back Stories Re: the ingenuity needed to Get In the Race & then figure someway to actually Win the damn thing...The Back Stories expose the Soul of Racing. Well done guys!
Joe Gazaway is my granddaddy and I love hearing all his NASCAR stories! Couldn’t be prouder to have him as my granddaddy and Bill as my Uncle.
Is your grandfather still alive? If so, any chance he might consider coming on the podcast?
@@TheSceneVault He is still alive. I can certainly speak to him and my Aunt about that. I think he would enjoy that.
My email is rick@thescenevaultpodcast.com. Send me a message and I’ll get you all of my main contact information.
@@TheSceneVaultwill do! Thank you!
@@TheSceneVault the email did not work.
A cool can has been banned at many tracks! 2 feet of aluminum fuel line in a cup full of ice,xis worth 3 tenths!
This is something missing from modern NASCAR as well, in my opinion - the enormous impact that the crews hard on their cars. The way I see it, qualifying was the race between the crews while the actual race was between the drivers and pit teams. Making each car exactly like the others does not improve the sport and debatably improves races.
Bring back CHEATIN
@@davidmassey4341 - LOL! Well, maybe not “bring back cheating,” but I think the sport was more fun when there was more room inside the rules. I get that figures like Brewer with Junior, Harry Hyde, or Everenham did a great deal to CREATE those rules by bending and breaking so many or by exploiting gray areas, it was that “creativity” and those efforts to “get competitive” (like Jimmy Means says) that made the totality of Winston Cup racing so interesting. While now it’s all about these (often young and boring) drivers driving nearly identical cars with a bunch of helmeted robots in the pits, in the past people tuned in on TV for qualifying! And the stands were half-full too!
I mean, if NASCAR wants such an even field with nobody interesting enough to try to break rules because it’ll cost them their heads and their children’s college funds, why not just do iRacing. They’ll bend any rule to wave a yellow for a “restart” with 5 laps to go and invent all this goofy stages and playoffs for whatever reason, even “overtimes” where the leader will run out of gas, but anyone who bends a piece of metal wrong is fined a half-million dollars and any driver who says anything that hurts NASCAR’s feelings is banished. It’s so far from the K&K Insurance Team, Smokey Yunick, the Alabama Gang, Wilkes County, One Tough Customer, the Folgers 25 car, or Cale driving a Hardee’s car. It’s even so far from Gordon hard-racing Rusty, Mark Martin, and Smoke.
Manipulating the rules to your own advantage.
Haven't we all done that??
Best cheating story?
Darrell Waltrip’s “Bombs Away.”
He's got many hilarious stories!
The best one is they put ball bearings in his frame and sealed it with wax.
When the wax melted the bearings rolled out on the track lightning the car !!🤭
The car behind him radioed the pit boss that metal balls were bouncing off his windshield!!🙆
They black flagged Darrell and fined and suspended him.
Naturally he didn't know NOTHING about it!!😁
And DW can tell a story!
This is unbelievably believable
Like they say, if you ain't cheatin - you ain't tryin! LOL!
Ward Burton two floor pans to move center of gravity. Won 500 2002. Ran it 2001 but wreched before the end said in interview if he would have still be in race 2001 he would have been in lead and good chance Dale would still be here.
This is fantastic! Love these videos!
This is particularly funny, as nascar was born from people bending the rules! Just out of curiosity... Has anyone ever tried refrigerating fuel? They'd do that for distance flights in the old days, As cold gas takes less space than warm. You could increase the fuel capacity, without expanding the tank! Who'd suspect insulated, Refrigerated fuel filler cans. No traces on the car, odorless and colorless !?🤔
Here's one I don't think many people know of... as we know, all cars other than mini-mobiles have 5 wheel studs per wheel. One NASCAR team deduced they'd save a couple seconds per pit stop if they remachined their axles and wheels to 4 wheel studs. After all the early day Falcons and Valiants and other econo-cars of the early 60s only had 4 wheel studs per axle, so they were just duplicating what the factories were doing, albeit with lighter cars. NASCAR inspectors immediately caught it and told the team to put some 5-stud axles back in to the car, and that was that. Technically they weren't cheating, there was no rule mandating 5-stud axle shafts, and there were no points docked against them, etc, It was more like creative thinking that got out of hand.
My other favorite Smokey Yunick story is about his 3" diameter fuel lines from the fuel tank. Technically not a "cheat" because there was nothing in the rule book as to max fuel line diameter, until NASCAR outlawed it. Before he was "counseled at length, he could carry an extra couple of gallons of fuel, saving himself an extra pit stop or three. Then there was when he built what appeared to be an oversized fuel tank, put a deflated basketball into it, partially inflated it, his car naturally got checked for an oversized tank, but he proved it only carried the allocated amount of fuel. Then before the race started, he deflated the basketball, took it out of the tank and put in some extra fuel. This definitely was cheating, but hey, it worked for a while. It's interesting, and this goes back about 15 years or so, but one Las Vegas casino's owner was a NASCAR fan, and he had some retired stock cars on display. One of the stock cars DID have an oversized fuel pipe of about 1 1/2" or thereabouts fuel line running to the carburetor. I forget whose car it was, but there it was.
I always admired Dale Earnhart as a builder and driver.
And i clearly recall his outspoken disdain for restrictor plates. And yet he seemed to excell at those super speedways huh.
Was he a master of disguise as a cheater/genius
last weeks call of the race for instance. Bumping and pushing and fighting to get on the list of playoffs. I would’ve done the same thing. Shame on you NASCAR.
Nitrous just adds oxygen. It's a non flammable liquid that when heated it splits the nitrogen & oxygen molecules.
Some of the greatest men alive Testerone was not a problem back then.
The last guy sounds like uncle joe on petticoat junction
MY FAVORITE CHEAT IS WALTRIPS WAX FILLED INTAKE BOLTS.
Woah tell me about how they worked
The ideas they came up with in the early days are fascinating...To bad its not like that anymore because of corruption and the fixed races....They know who will win before the race starts nowadays and its a damn shame..
I been said that 4 car made Sterling not the other way around, neither Sterling nor Ernie won another points paying restrictor plate race after they left Morgan McLure Racing...
Sterling was a very good restictor plate racer both before and after driving for Morgan McClure.He nearly won the Daytona 500 in 1991 and won a twin 125 qualifying race twice after leaving the 4 car,as well as leading the Daytona 500 late in the race in 2002 before his infamous red flag incident.
@@davidh6818 He was good yes BUT like I said, he was never able to get to victorylane in a points paying Cup race other than his time in the #4 car...
Great Job Rick!
Check out the Tim Brewer episode, the dale jr download with Jimmy Means and the Andy Petree that talks about the throwout bearings in the spring cups. You have to use some imagination but that's luck and genius
Some of the best invovative technologies come from bending the rules. Let them build their own cars again.
If their excuse is the big teams beat up on the little teams in socialism. Put a spending cap on but don’t neuter em in the name of equality
Junior Johnson was probably the best at cheating
Yes sir you got me listening
Excellent!!!!!!
So what we are finding out is most of those so called fast Chevy teams were cheating lol
There is the story of Smokey Yunick taking a big block 427 Chevy and destroking it, which wasn't illegal, but he calculated he could get as much power out of a destroked 427 to offset the reduced cubic inches, and he could rev his engine higher, thus overcompensating for the smaller engine size, and making more power. And, he experimented with rods that had no piston pin bushings, thus making his reciprocating mass a little lighter, thus he could rev the engine a little tighter. He floated his piston pins directly on the rods small ends, and it gave him an extra 100 rpm or so with no adverse effects. In fact, in his book about Chevy engines, he did directly address this, saying that if a person would drill an oiling hole in the small end of the rod, it was perfectly OK, with no harm done to run the piston pin directly on the rod, steel to steel. He did caution that the machinist had no tolerance when setting a piston pin to float in the small end of the rod, it had to be exact to a very, very close tolerance. Normally, if a machinist over machined the small end of a rod, they could correct it with a slightly bigger bronze bushing, but if running steel-to-steel, piston pin to a rod small end, there was no room for error.
I've heard more cheats from Dale Jr himself.
pure gold...thanx much...
This is what made nascar fun!..
I was at Dayton 74 75.
I keep reading different places about a team that had mercury in the right frame rail that they pumped to the left rail after the race started in order to gain left side side weight bias. But no one ever says who it was
WHO WAS IT ?
When I raced the rule book was not what you couldn't do but what I could do. If it wasn't a rule and gave a advantage I did it.
I just want to be clear that bending the rules is not cheating or creating new rules or doing something not in the book. Now if they say you can't run hemi engines and you run a hemi that's cheating but if it's not in the book then it's not cheating.
I really miss real nascar racing.
Wonder if Dale Jrs 88 car was illegal at Michigan in 2012 when slugger got caught because he whipped their ass that day
Great stuff
The Quest for the competive edge
If you ain't cheatin' then you ain't tryin"
Didn't Smokey also say : It ain't cheating if ya don't get caught??🤭
Every team cheats. The best cheater ever is the one that hasn't or isn't being caught. My attitude is Smokey was the worst. He got caught more than anyone else.
He enjoyed the game!! 😋
It wasn't Smokey's fault that he was way, way, smarter than the rule-makers.
And they didn't like it!!😡
It’s not cheating if it’s not in the rule book.
The rule book was created from engineers without college degrees who were some of the smartest people in the world.
I don't know crap about the Nascar Crew Chief world but I don't need to know to immediately intuit that this Slugger guy is a slimy character, racing or not. The kind that would lie to his Grandma to get something he wanted. Cheating is cheating, not willing to own up to that truth after being out of the game is telling...
Don’t do animation anymore rather see u
Why would I do any of those things before I even watch your video, tempted to just leave now , aggravates me when people ask to do all those things before you even have a chance to watch
Tech notes from your annoying TV friend! The first segment has "hot" audio (overmodulated- too dang loud on the input). 26:37 Man light can't compete with sunlight. If you open up enough to see Jr. he will look like he's in heaven, floating among the over exposed clouds of white.
Use sunlight as a side light or even a back light, if you have a white board or similar reflection to bounce the sun onto the talent from the front. I've done enough "Electronic Field Production" (no budget interviews) that I have mental notebook of what works and what doesn't and I like to share and feel like I'm contributing. Hope you agree.
The first thing I'm going to do when I strike it rich with this channel is hire someone with the technical expertise to prevent all the things you've mentioned here ... and more.
Until then ... I'm winging it the best I know how. And that's pretty much turning the sound board on, hitting record and hoping for the best.
@@TheSceneVault You've come a long way since your early vids. Chin up! Stay out of direct sunlight and test levels on your mics before you roll. Easy peasy. 😀
@@TheSceneVault ...Ah, Light...a very enlightening subject, to be sure. 1st thing to remember in Filming: "Be aware of what the Light doing at all times & what is your interaction with it?" Adjust & Win!and nobody knew Lighting as well as the Movie Makers of the '30s-'40s.
Okay , you got my like and sub. 👍🏼
So much bs being spewed..nitrous just cools the fuel huh 😂
The nitrous talk doesn't add up nitrous carries xtra oxygen its the xtra fuel you add that makes the power , nitrous on its will lean out the engine
With extra air it pulled extra fuel. The rpms did that. And they only needed a small amount of horse power. For a short time.
I call innovative
Sound quality is not great, something gotta be done to clean it up. Good video other than that though.
Too bad no one wants to talk about ammonium perchlorate sublimation.
It requires a high vacuum and causes a lot of problems during caution.
Examples include the 1982 and 1992 Indy 500 parade laps, Montoya hitting the Daytona jet dryer in 2012, and Waltrips truck exploding in the pits.
The real trick is lacing it was Silicon which react with the nitrogen at 40 times greater energy than H2O.
Night racing is the real giveaway when the rear rotors are glowing during caution.
Some of this does not make sense. Nitrous and fuel have to injected together. You just inject nitrous by itself. Good stories though.
They already had the carburetor jetted fat for qualifying with a small shot of nitrous.
Ya because cheating is something to be proud of .....................................................
Ol Smokey
if ya ain't cheatin ya ain't eatin
Dale Jr's engine for the July Daytona 2001 race. Biggest engine in the field guaranteed.
NICE!👍
Help me understand the tire swapping and how it helped him?
Left side tires were softer compound because they got less wear on them compared to harder compound on the right side.
Softer compound was faster at the expense of prematurely wearing, especially on a hot day.
Lots of teams would do this, but not all teams forged the numbers
@@paulmryglod4802 Thank You for the explanation.
The problem with NASCAR today is they made it impossible for the old school racers to do the things that they used to and have stiffled the creativity of the crew chiefs and the builders. That is why NASCAR is losing viewers. Don't get me wrong i like the dirt track and I get the race within the race of the playoff in the last dozen races. Don't quite cut the mustard. I'd rather see another smokey, fireball and the like in NASCAR the France family needs to get over themselves and remember what made NASCAR a sport and that the characters that did it. Stuff like fights between drivers cheating was what made NASCAR what it is. But they are killing the sport and making it into a formula one style of racing where one or two big teams dominate and the little guys don't stand a chance.
Because those guys pulled that kind of shit back then is the reason why NASCAR is dead today.
Any (cheating) bending the rules by Junior Johnson should be though of as supreme Engineering. I am willing to bet that his car's won races and nobody ever found the modifications he made. If he was caught, it just showed him a better way to not get caught. The man was a legend in the sport
Bill and Joe Gazzaway". There's a couple of certified nice'uns who were completely overmatched v most any of the chief mechanics. Harry Hyde considered them complete morons and would frequently make something obvious, let NASCAR find it, and all the while have the real "gadget" camouflaged somewhere else. Harry was the best.
I dont rhi k the greats are or were cheats. They were rule creators.
you should really fix the audio its very distorted so its hard to listen to
How about this term. Out running the rule book.
How about Roget Penske / Mark Donohue in Trans Am, with their AMC Javelin, when they took an oversized fuel tank and put it on a 20-ft high platform.? And used an oversized fuel hose.? The extra weight of the fuel being higher off the ground, and the extra fuel in the hose gave them a refueling time advantage of some-odd, but measurable advantage in the pits.?
didn't nitrous lean-out your mixture?
Yes but there was only 30 seconds of it and it wasn't more than 100 hp on 600-700
If cheating is admired, is there any validity to the competition? Is cheating not also taking from a honest competitor? Pretty sure most people don’t like being cheated.
Just mostly creative engineering and closely reading the rules.
Is your DD Dales Wife.