There's a recent article from Mark Rosewater where he explains that at a certain point when he was working on Time Spiral block he considered making Instant a supertype, so that one could have Instant Sorceries (Instants) and Instant Creatutes (creatures with Flash). At the end, it was not possible to implement such a radical change and they introduced the Flash mechanics instead .
I actually pulled a foil veil of summer years ago, had no idea it was good, and threw it in bulk. I spent hours finding it after realizing the foil is like 50 bucks, just a funny story.
@@hiddenleaf414 Well it's from Core Set 2020, and as you surely know the core sets are numbered for the upcoming year so M20 came out in July of 2019. The point still stands, it could not have been years (plural) ago.
And I'm sorry I love the card for mono blue decks. It's almost a necessity for spikey play groups. I tend to build for 7-9 so I feel that you should always be prepared to see it in that power range.
Don't mind the haters. I love it when Joe says something is "completely insane!" If you want to change it up you could say, "it's stark raving mad!" But if you did that you would need an Irish accent 😁.
As phasing is a part of the untap step and done as the first step when you start your untap step I have actually had a lot of fun in one game by after a player used Teferi's Protection on my turn I put down Sands of Time. He did not return to the game till I decided to bounce the Sands and let him phase back in. Very funny play
I was recently listening to a podcast in which they were basically saying Veil of Summer is the same thing as Autumn's Veil... Guess they missed the "*draw a fraking card*". Best description for it is "1 mana Cryptic Command".
Fun fact: Frantic Search was legal in standart together with Tolarian Academy, Cloud of Faeries, Fluctuator, Stroke of Genious, Grim Monolith, Voltaic Key, and a shitload of cards that cycle for 2 windings. The deck just goes boom, and then decks the opponent for an instant win.
I'm sure you guys already realized this but just in case: Deflecting Swat can also be used to counter counter spells by changing the target of the counter spell to Deflecting Swat itself, and because DS resolves first when the counter spell resolves it no longer has a legal target and just fizzles.
I agree with Joe that Deflecting Swat "looks so bad" at first. I totally undervalued it at first, comparing it to other red "deflect" spells from my Standard-playing days (Ricochet Trap and the like). But, yeah, it's now an auto-include in more of my red decks. Also, if I Deflecting Swat your extra turn spell, you can't even get salty about it.:)
I lold when I saw Prof's video so shortly after yours. I think most people appreciated both videos in their own right, as equally valid. I think power level is a good shorthand to know for when a full discussion is unnecessary, isn't happening. Profs video basically just expands to include other considerations that players might have in what they want from their games. Cus everyone could sit down and play 5s-6s, but one of them might be stax and maybe that's not cool for some people in some groups. I also like the tried and true balancing method of just getting the rest of the table to beat up the deck you find too annoying/ too strong.
Definitely noticed that he posted something about that after you guys made that video.... I'm sure he watches you guys are great👍 Appreciate everything you do just watched the Dual lands video trying to upgrade the decks and everything you guys put out is gold thank you for everything👍🙌👍
deflecting swat is one of my favorite cards even in my cedh deck, I just cast it for nothing and change a counterspell to it sow when it resolves it has no target. or my opponent is casting peer into the abyss and I just change the target to myself and win instead of him. and also in my cedh kess intuition is a one-card combo, you have kess on the battlefield you cast intuition you take Thassa's oracle, Reanimate and demonic consultation. doesn't matter what you get, you will get a Thassa's oracle etb and in response demonic consultation your deck.
If you cast balance, then teffaris in response, would all your stuff phaser out, balance checks how many lands and creatures you have, comes back with zero, resets the board, at end of turn your stuff all comes back?
Y'all: "Teferi's Protection is so good!" The colouless deck I just made that primarily uses 2 way to infinite mill everyone without targeting: "U think I'm locked in here with u? Ur locked in here with me!!!"
Can you? If they do it before combat tou cant even attack them but does teffari protection even prevent dmg? I thought it said your life total cant change
@@connoringram4948 If you phase out before their combat phase,you aren't a legal target for the attack.If you protection after attackers are declared the beast deals the damage,your life total doesn't change.You can still lose to commander damage from questing beast because it does do damage,your life total just won't change.You can lose to poison counters from questing beast because infect is a replacement effect,it sees the damage then replaces it with poison counters.
Weird, the TH-cam announcement I got said "The top 15 sorceries...". Sounds like TH-cam agrees that instants need to be renamed "sorceries with flash".
wow, you guys really really like veil of summer. better than cylconic rift or assassin's trophy? you must have alot of counterspells flying around in your games.
Some more great ones are Rebuff the Wicked in white nonblue decks (was $5, but it’s getting reprinted in TSR!) white, Volcanic Offering hits 4 targets (and when it gets down to 1v1, it’s 4 of their things!)
I have to say the last comment of don't play tergrid. I built one recently. And my wife tried at me for two hours after I destroyed the entire table. And I built it for Jess than 75 dollars. Which explains just how powerful it is.
Joe, the fact that people are telling you how much you say completely insane is completely insane in its self. Don’t ever change joe, we love you....also breezys there.
Can fit in any deck that has blue in its color pie. Mono blue is obviously easiest to cast this. 2 color decks you don't need to go crazy with fixing your mana to make it work either. And anything 3 colors and above if you invest in a good mana base shouldn't be an issue either. If you're going to use it make sure you're doing something degenerate the turn after using it.
@@wookie5959 yeah I know that it fits in any deck with a blue color identity. The issue is that I have about 20 decks it potentially go in, but I haven't settled on which one. Currently the most likely candidates are Urza, Niv-mizzet, Arcanis or holding it until I build my next blue commander
You guys forgot about the Wish cards in Judgement. I love Cunning Wish and Burning Wish. You never know what you are gonna go up against that you didnt anticipate. With these cards, you can pull ANY card you own from your collection and possibly turn the tide of the game. They are pretty cheap right now, too. I suggest getting at least one of each color. That said, i love you guys. Keep up the videos! Thanks for the work yall put in to make us players better! Can you do a top 15 for underrated pauper cards?
Seriously guys, its the best scale I’ve seen from content creators. Well explained, conceived, and justified. Your point about cEDH being a different game is spot on. Again...well done.
Spread the Word.... Of the Nerds 😂 Professor’s video is good, but you guys are more interesting and much funnier. And currently, you’re more personalized and less commercialized. I can watch the Professor, but I can’t connect with him on Discord, can’t play EDH with him on spelltable ..... So, there’s no comparison. I choose the Nitpicking Nerds! 👍🏼
I knew Deflecting Swat would be talked about just as much if not more than Fierce Guardianship I kinda think Deflecting Swat is better in a lot of cases personally when you.consider its color. Its the same reason I love the card Bolt Bend so much.
Swords to plowshares is such a perfect flavor magic card. It takes their army and makes them farmers. Then the farmers make food to give extra life. 👨🍳 💋
I pulled Apex Devastor and Vampiric Tutor in my commander legends box, perfect combo, way better than demonic tutor cause I stack my 9 mana spell on top of my deck then cascade it for free :O!!
I think mystical tutor is a bit better than enlightened, which is a lot above worldly. There are many more creature tutors, so worldly loses a lot of clout. I think FoW is actually underrated. If it was 50c there would be people running blue heavy decks who avoid using FoW because of the card disadvantage. And imo that's just incorrect. If you have enough blue, you should be running FoW if you have access to it.
@@breakingtide yes but tis a sorcery and to the hand, but yes 👍 one mana tutor for them ... I guess red is strong enough as is 🙄 ... *so says salty red players* 😂
I ended up finding two Intuition cards and two Dream Halls in my stuff. Saw it was a Tutor and figured it'd be expensive lol. Glad I checked before chucking it back in my bulk box
@@NitpickingNerds Not Grave Titan, just cards that either never quite make the best-of lists or ones that are super good without being broken or ever causing saltiness.
Veil of summer wasn’t actually the worst deign mistake in magic because when it came out esper was so disgustingly relevant in standard that it was actually justified. From the perspective of any other format however, it was in fact one of the worst design mistakes in magic.
Ahh the much awaited Top 15 Sorceries with Flash in Commander
:(((((
🤣🤣🤣
I want them to bring Tribal sorceries back, and change instant to say Flash Sorcery 😂
Waiting for top 15 interrupts
There's a recent article from Mark
Rosewater where he explains that at a certain point when he was working on Time Spiral block he considered making Instant a supertype, so that one could have Instant Sorceries (Instants) and Instant Creatutes (creatures with Flash). At the end, it was not possible to implement such a radical change and they introduced the Flash mechanics instead .
You guys are taking the pleasure of counting instances of "this card is completely insane" away from me.
I wanna get better!
Joe: lets make a top ten of instants
Beezy: In response make it 15
Got him good didnt I
I actually pulled a foil veil of summer years ago, had no idea it was good, and threw it in bulk. I spent hours finding it after realizing the foil is like 50 bucks, just a funny story.
Trades?? I need one 😭
Is Veil of Summer older than 2020?
@@hiddenleaf414 Well it's from Core Set 2020, and as you surely know the core sets are numbered for the upcoming year so M20 came out in July of 2019.
The point still stands, it could not have been years (plural) ago.
Dang. I didn't realize they were $12 nonfoil
man, I am getting hammered playing the "Completely Insane" Game. every time he says it take a shot ^_^
It took me 13 hrs to recover from this drinking game xD
Yes Cyclonic Rift is COMPLETELY INSANE
And I'm sorry I love the card for mono blue decks. It's almost a necessity for spikey play groups. I tend to build for 7-9 so I feel that you should always be prepared to see it in that power range.
That was an INSANE video! Never would have guessed grave titan would have been so high on the list!
*checks video for critical error in editing*
I was gonna like this video at instant speed but then I saw the title say top 15 Sorceries. So just wait until my turn and I will like it-
We fixed it!
Man, was not expecting grave Titan with flash to be on this list.
He isn't!!! Someone is feeding you lies!
@@NitpickingNerds cant chicken out, it was clearly right behind kodamas reach!
you guys are great, i dont even play mtg anymore but i watch every video. Congrats on the channel.
That's awesome to hear :)
Intuition is in fact a cEDH staple for both Thassa's Oracle combo lines and Underworld Breach combo lines.
I knew it!
What a coincidence, I love Beezys mom also. I kid, keep up the great work guys!
My mom got excited but then she found out you were kidding :(
Can say, frantic search is insane in Yidris. Probably one of the best cards to play in the whole deck, the turn after you play commander.
One of the best cards in the whole format
You guys have a really great show, I think if you guys keep going you’ll definitely blow up even more.
Thank you! We don’t plan on stopping
Don't mind the haters. I love it when Joe says something is "completely insane!" If you want to change it up you could say, "it's stark raving mad!" But if you did that you would need an Irish accent 😁.
Finally, a video about the Top 15 counterspells.
and top 15 tutors
Some might say this list is COMPLETELY INSANE
IT'S COMPLETELY INSANE
You guys make my days easier. Keep it up!
So glad to hear that!
As phasing is a part of the untap step and done as the first step when you start your untap step I have actually had a lot of fun in one game by after a player used Teferi's Protection on my turn I put down Sands of Time. He did not return to the game till I decided to bounce the Sands and let him phase back in. Very funny play
I've designed a Taniwha deck around weaponizing Phasing to pull off tricks like that
@@crovax1375 Add in Shimmer to pull even more land phasing hijinks
I was recently listening to a podcast in which they were basically saying Veil of Summer is the same thing as Autumn's Veil... Guess they missed the "*draw a fraking card*". Best description for it is "1 mana Cryptic Command".
Yeah those cards aren’t even close
You know a card is a mistake when it's good both with and against combo decks.
11:49 how it feels to play against Emergent Ultimatum in standard
LOL
Love the channel guys!
Topping this list:
S Tier Underrated EDH TH-cam Channels
Fun fact: Frantic Search was legal in standart together with Tolarian Academy, Cloud of Faeries, Fluctuator, Stroke of Genious, Grim Monolith, Voltaic Key, and a shitload of cards that cycle for 2 windings. The deck just goes boom, and then decks the opponent for an instant win.
Top 15 Design Mistakes Since Modern incoming, perhaps?
Deflecting Swaft has become my favourite card since I first played it. So satisfying.
If you have enough mana to cast Obliterate and then respond with Teferi's Protection then you basically auto win lol
I'm sure you guys already realized this but just in case: Deflecting Swat can also be used to counter counter spells by changing the target of the counter spell to Deflecting Swat itself, and because DS resolves first when the counter spell resolves it no longer has a legal target and just fizzles.
The GOAT as far as nerds that nitpick go
Great list. Loved the placements of Dig Through Time and Frantic Search. I've seen some people really underrate those cards.
Thanks, they're really solid cards!
Veil could have went out with the recent housecleaning in modern and legacy... No one would have blinked.
Mana burn did change everything for Mana Drain!
I am genius!
Haven’t you heard? The Nerd is the word!
I agree with Joe that Deflecting Swat "looks so bad" at first. I totally undervalued it at first, comparing it to other red "deflect" spells from my Standard-playing days (Ricochet Trap and the like).
But, yeah, it's now an auto-include in more of my red decks.
Also, if I Deflecting Swat your extra turn spell, you can't even get salty about it.:)
I lold when I saw Prof's video so shortly after yours. I think most people appreciated both videos in their own right, as equally valid. I think power level is a good shorthand to know for when a full discussion is unnecessary, isn't happening. Profs video basically just expands to include other considerations that players might have in what they want from their games. Cus everyone could sit down and play 5s-6s, but one of them might be stax and maybe that's not cool for some people in some groups. I also like the tried and true balancing method of just getting the rest of the table to beat up the deck you find too annoying/ too strong.
Definitely noticed that he posted something about that after you guys made that video.... I'm sure he watches you guys are great👍 Appreciate everything you do just watched the Dual lands video trying to upgrade the decks and everything you guys put out is gold thank you for everything👍🙌👍
Flavor win: Yisan, the Wanderer Bard with Chord of Calling in the deck:P
I like that!
So glad I watched the tidbit! I felt so bad for you guys I felt the prof just spiked on y’all. 😂
Never noticed how much I like the outro until now
Oh thanks! 😄
Deflecting swatting a peer into abyss in cedh is on my top 10 magic moments for sure :D swat rly is great some times :D
Cyclonic Rift first appeared in Return to Ravnica in 2012, not 2008 or before Commander...
At 22:09 you asked if there was any other card like frantic search that drew cards and was a ritual.
Well yes actually, Jeska's will.
That’s true but it is a bit different as you can only play the spells that turn and need your commander out
I love Dig Through time and treasure cruise
deflecting swat is one of my favorite cards even in my cedh deck, I just cast it for nothing and change a counterspell to it sow when it resolves it has no target. or my opponent is casting peer into the abyss and I just change the target to myself and win instead of him.
and also in my cedh kess intuition is a one-card combo, you have kess on the battlefield you cast intuition you take Thassa's oracle, Reanimate and demonic consultation. doesn't matter what you get, you will get a Thassa's oracle etb and in response demonic consultation your deck.
If you cast balance, then teffaris in response, would all your stuff phaser out, balance checks how many lands and creatures you have, comes back with zero, resets the board, at end of turn your stuff all comes back?
i laughed so hard when he said "how do you put a [cyclonic] rift into a tomb?" xD haha
Y'all: "Teferi's Protection is so good!"
The colouless deck I just made that primarily uses 2 way to infinite mill everyone without targeting: "U think I'm locked in here with u? Ur locked in here with me!!!"
Good video. Here's a bump in the algorithm
You can kill someone through Teferis Protection with Questing Beast Commander damage
Can you? If they do it before combat tou cant even attack them but does teffari protection even prevent dmg? I thought it said your life total cant change
I'm curious about this too.
So you're telling me I need to give Questing Beast infect
@@connoringram4948 If you phase out before their combat phase,you aren't a legal target for the attack.If you protection after attackers are declared the beast deals the damage,your life total doesn't change.You can still lose to commander damage from questing beast because it does do damage,your life total just won't change.You can lose to poison counters from questing beast because infect is a replacement effect,it sees the damage then replaces it with poison counters.
@@SJamesGill88 Thats interestin i didnt know the dmg still happens for infect or commander
Time stamps would do this channel wonders!
Weird, the TH-cam announcement I got said "The top 15 sorceries...". Sounds like TH-cam agrees that instants need to be renamed "sorceries with flash".
Beezy named the video wrong laugh at him!
@@NitpickingNerds, omw, you guys are human? I thought you have hexproof from error because to err is human 😂
I've figured it out. Someone Shahrazad'ed you into redoing a Top 15 Sorceries, but you decided to do something different in the subgame.
korvold + free sac outlet + vampiric tutor is instant speed demonic tutor. card goes straight to your hand that way
wow, you guys really really like veil of summer. better than cylconic rift or assassin's trophy? you must have alot of counterspells flying around in your games.
Deflecting swat is my favorite commander protection. Allows me to safely tap out for elsha yet still leave up protection
Some more great ones are Rebuff the Wicked in white nonblue decks (was $5, but it’s getting reprinted in TSR!) white, Volcanic Offering hits 4 targets (and when it gets down to 1v1, it’s 4 of their things!)
Swords to plowshares is my evil sacrifice instant of choice. Gains me life by also causing a death trigger.
Doesn't cause a death trigger tho. Causes the creature to leave the battlefield, but not die.
I love you guys. Your content is so consistent. And high quality. Nothing more to say.
You forgot to mention lightning bolt in the honorary mentions
Maybe next time!
Dig through time and treasure Cruise have no build around. It’s get cards in your graveyard
Which is just playing the game and extra easy to do
What your opinion of Camouflage? Rather unique card. Any thoughts on decks it would be fun in?
Glad you guys address the drama of the power level video😜
The drama is real!!!!
I have to say the last comment of don't play tergrid. I built one recently. And my wife tried at me for two hours after I destroyed the entire table. And I built it for Jess than 75 dollars. Which explains just how powerful it is.
Joe, the fact that people are telling you how much you say completely insane is completely insane in its self. Don’t ever change joe, we love you....also breezys there.
Awe it is completely insane how much you care lol
Yeesh it's completely insane that I am an afterthought
Challenge --Top 10 Miracle Cards, Top 10 Cards w Flashback!
I opened a Mana Drain recently, but I don't know which deck to put it in
sell it
@@morgoth2425 I haven't found a good way to sell cards. Any lgs in my area only wants to give store credit
Can fit in any deck that has blue in its color pie. Mono blue is obviously easiest to cast this. 2 color decks you don't need to go crazy with fixing your mana to make it work either. And anything 3 colors and above if you invest in a good mana base shouldn't be an issue either. If you're going to use it make sure you're doing something degenerate the turn after using it.
@@wookie5959 yeah I know that it fits in any deck with a blue color identity. The issue is that I have about 20 decks it potentially go in, but I haven't settled on which one. Currently the most likely candidates are Urza, Niv-mizzet, Arcanis or holding it until I build my next blue commander
You guys forgot about the Wish cards in Judgement. I love Cunning Wish and Burning Wish. You never know what you are gonna go up against that you didnt anticipate. With these cards, you can pull ANY card you own from your collection and possibly turn the tide of the game. They are pretty cheap right now, too. I suggest getting at least one of each color.
That said, i love you guys. Keep up the videos! Thanks for the work yall put in to make us players better! Can you do a top 15 for underrated pauper cards?
Narset's reversal is pretty good too
Very often I whip the board in some aspect and Terrie’s or flawless
Feels good
Feels bad for them
tbh those three honourable mentions are pretty cedh too.
Keep the videos coming guys. Love the content.
We certainly will! Thanks :D
Interesting 40€ gap between deflecting swat and "bolt bent"...^^.
What 1 mana difference and the possibility of multiple targets can bring ^^...
That thumbnail picture you guys used for this video is my playmat
Spell pierce from scg
It's a really good artwork
@@NitpickingNerds they could have made the character's head a bit bigger maybe. Lol
@@electromancer2645 kefnet just has a small
I have Intuition in my Muldrotha deck. 😅
Also, Gifts Ungiven gets you two cards as opposed to one.
They are comparable was what we were saying
Oh great, MORE cards I need to get.
We got you! Just use the tcgplayer link!
Loved your power scale video!!!!
Thanks AvistA we really liked making that one!
Seriously guys, its the best scale I’ve seen from content creators. Well explained, conceived, and justified. Your point about cEDH being a different game is spot on. Again...well done.
Calling it, at least 2 maybe 3 of the free precon spell design mistakes.
Stellar call!
Without watching, or reading comments: If Ad Nauseum isn't on this list, I will eat my pants!
Your pants remain in tact
Spread the Word.... Of the Nerds 😂
Professor’s video is good, but you guys are more interesting and much funnier. And currently, you’re more personalized and less commercialized. I can watch the Professor, but I can’t connect with him on Discord, can’t play EDH with him on spelltable ..... So, there’s no comparison. I choose the Nitpicking Nerds! 👍🏼
I INSTANTLY liked this video.
hahaaaa
I knew Deflecting Swat would be talked about just as much if not more than Fierce Guardianship
I kinda think Deflecting Swat is better in a lot of cases personally when you.consider its color.
Its the same reason I love the card Bolt Bend so much.
You guys should do EDH gameplay videos.
We are planning on doing it ASAP
Buried Alive was printed before Entomb - Weatherlight.
Swords to plowshares is such a perfect flavor magic card. It takes their army and makes them farmers. Then the farmers make food to give extra life. 👨🍳 💋
Intuition sees light cEDH play, it's more a card for specific builds like Kess than a blue staple like [SPOILER], though.
get rid of the reverb on your audio, love you guys
I pulled Apex Devastor and Vampiric Tutor in my commander legends box, perfect combo, way better than demonic tutor cause I stack my 9 mana spell on top of my deck then cascade it for free :O!!
Wombo Combo!!!
How the hell is swords to plowshares better than deadly rollick?
Nizzahon still does top 10's!
In a 5 colored deck, isn't mystical tutor just every tutor?
I think mystical tutor is a bit better than enlightened, which is a lot above worldly. There are many more creature tutors, so worldly loses a lot of clout.
I think FoW is actually underrated. If it was 50c there would be people running blue heavy decks who avoid using FoW because of the card disadvantage. And imo that's just incorrect. If you have enough blue, you should be running FoW if you have access to it.
Poor red and it’s lack of one mana tutor top :( I feel like they need to print one to complete the colour pie
Gamble
@@breakingtide yes but tis a sorcery and to the hand, but yes 👍 one mana tutor for them ... I guess red is strong enough as is 🙄 ... *so says salty red players* 😂
Teferi's Top 15 Sorceries!
I ended up finding two Intuition cards and two Dream Halls in my stuff. Saw it was a Tutor and figured it'd be expensive lol. Glad I checked before chucking it back in my bulk box
Not bulk at all
:D Ready to build my instants deck!
All instants!
Ideas: Top 15 cards that can never quite make “Top 15 Lists” and Top 15 totally fair cards.
If you are lobbying for Grave Titan to be on a list, he wouldn't even make "Top 15 Creatures that will never be on a top 15 list" 😂
@@NitpickingNerds Not Grave Titan, just cards that either never quite make the best-of lists or ones that are super good without being broken or ever causing saltiness.
Joe looking very stylish today rocking the Johnny Cash look
LOL
Wait... Where is the pact cycle? Like pact of negation, summoner's pact, and in narrow sense slaughter pact have relevance
They are good just not better than any of these
Fire covenant non cedh??
3 of the top 25 instants according to NPR were printed in commander 2020. Seems like THE problem 😕
National Public Radio made a video about this too?? But c20 was really good in all seriousness lol
I think FOW is worse than fierce guardianship, it's more restrictive in deckbuilding that's for sure.
Veil of summer wasn’t actually the worst deign mistake in magic because when it came out esper was so disgustingly relevant in standard that it was actually justified. From the perspective of any other format however, it was in fact one of the worst design mistakes in magic.