Enjoy the video! Sorry for saying it was Monday in the video, I get mixed up sometimes recording ahead of time! Luckily, its Friday -- so have a nice weekend everybody!
Fun fact: Kokusho is one of very few legends that was nerfed by the changing of the legend rule. There was a janky deck that would get all 4 copies in the graveyard, then animate them all at once for the game.
This got me wondering what the most expensive tribes are, on average. That might make a good list for a future video, since you can also talk about how the list would change if you didn't count certain outliers or tribes with less than a certain number of creatures
Bit of an aside, but Shivan Dragon will always stand as the example of why the reserved list is a joke. Despite literally dozens of reprints, the original still holds insane value. Not because it is good. Not because it is even playable, but because people will always want originals and they could reprint literally every card on the reserved list with only minimal impact to the original card prices. They have done it. It happened. Yet, investors will swear to the opposite, in complete opposition to reality as many simply want to sit on their pile of cardboard treasure like, well, a dragon on its hoard while players have to proxy to get the cards.
Same with Birds of Paradise, and that's a reprint that is sought after. The reprints range anywhere from 6 dollars to 10 dollars, with a hundred dollar and 25 dollar reprint, but the original is still well over 3k dollars. There are so many cards from that time that aren't widely played that I wanted to put in a deck, but the price for them is abysmal
I guess it makes sense but after witnessing the growing intricacies of complex systems in all walks of life recently: I'm not 100% sure that's how it would pan out (though I lean to "yes").
I have never understood how reprinting a card affects it's "collectibility". I mean look at comics or baseball cards; key comics and cards have been reprinted dozens of times, and this does nothing to affect the rarity or value of the original. And even if you reprint a reserved list card, some whales will still want the original for the bling factor. And many cards on the reserved list, no one really wants, so I can't see how reprinting them would matter at all; it basically comes down to a small amount of very rare, very powerful cards that have their price inflated for a reason entirely unrelated to their collectible status- their value as game pieces.
Rarity & age are only part of the equation. Playabiliy is another key driver of demand. Karakas would be way more expensive if it were on the reserved list. Also, Shivan Dragon was iconic - especially the original, which is another factor that doesn't equally apply to other cards.
Teeka's Dragon isn't gonna be on this list, because despite being on the Reserve List, WOTC knew everyone would play it, so that's why they printed 100 quadrillion copies.
@@ItsDangerousGoAlone It says "counts as a Dragon" in its text box, outside of being errataed as an Artifact Creature - Dragon. They made it even more powerful retroactively.
@Niko we do have Murktide at the top now, but that’s about it. Sprite Dragon and Glorybringer see very sporadic play, but I can’t even think of another dragon I’ve seen across the table from me with any sort of regularity.
Worth noting Zodiac Dragon has Oracle rules text specifying that it only works if put into your graveyard FROM THE BATTLEFIELD. I'm not sure if this is errata or if technically the dragon always worked that way due to the Portal Three Kingdoms rules being a little odd, but either way if it wasn't the case then the card would be super broken (essentially functioning as a one card infinite discard engine)
It's worth clarifying your point about Zodiac Dragon. While P3K was only released in Asia and Oceania, the latter was the main place English printings were released, while Asian market was primarily the Chinese and Japanese versions. So English commands that $600 price tag.
The Shivan Dragon is that much because there were only 1020 of the Alpha version printed. It was thought that 1100 Alpha sets were printed but later on found out to be less. However that being said, the video creator said that he was going of NM pricing. A MP/LP Alpha Shivan dragon goes for 4500-6000 these days. As for the Dragon Whelp, $190-450. I thought for sure the OP was going to say the Shichifukujin Dragon for number 1 slot.
These price based videos are my absolute favourites, almost as good as "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)!" Plenty of cards from there would be on "most expensive" lists.
My apologies to whoever gets my cards when I die. I've got an original Dragon Whelp, but I played with it a ton, and didn't start using sleeves until the mid 2000s.
Almost no one used sleeves until the mid 2000s, hard as it is to imagine today. I shuffled plenty of Revised dual lands without sleeves when I was in 8th and 9th grade.
I'm always surprised when he mentions how many of a card type there are in the game. For some reason I thought there would be way more than just 315 dragons.
I don't like it when these lists include cards that have much cheaper versions. Imo if there's a cheaper version, the card should go into Honorable Mentions
This was great as a longtime dragon player! I'd love a Top 10 Most Expensive Zombies...There's so many zombies, so many are good, I have no clue which cost the most though.
It's too bad that Old Gnawbone does see as much play as it should. It's one of the most powerful dragons in the game, but because its effect is so powerful, not many people run it. It was a $45 card for the normal printing and $70 for the borderless full art. Now they are $25 and $33. Which sucks because I bought the borderless full art for $60 at one point
Slight good update to the list as of this date Balefire dragon got a reprint in commander masters 2023 and is around 10 dollars. Skithirix got a reprint in March of the machine and is around 5 dollars and is officially a Phyrexian. You can easily find the ur dragon for under 20 dollars now since it finally got a reprint in commander masters 2023. With the legends Nicol bolas in his original art is expensive but he has been reprinted and not sure why but I can find the other 2 in there original for less them 20. Shivan dragon and dragon whelp are only expensive in there original art and have been reprinted lots of times. Not surprisingly a lot of these got much need reprints in commander masters and in 2023 sets in general.
Good list, but I find it a little inconsistent in its form. YES Shivan Dragon is around 10k for alpha, but its also 49cents for the M10 version. If you are talking most expensive versions you need to account for foil extended versions of terror of the peaks and so on.... I would have preferred a list with the 10 most expensive dragons based on cheapest or most expensive version, this is neither.
Well, technically, this card has never been sold, so there is no way to put a pricetag on it. "Undefined" is not the same as infinite, so it should probably have gotten an honorable mention, but not a spot on the list.
Heyho, Can you make someday a top ten cards which are bad in Limited but great in competetive constructed (or a top ten of cards great in limited but never sucsessfull in competetive constructed)?
First LIKE!!!!!!! Noice! Glad to see the Elder Dragons on the list. I wasn't expecting to see cards I own on this list (well my Nicols r the Time Spiral n Duel Deck prints) even tho I have a lot of great dragons but so many pushed dragons have come out since I last had enough money to buy cards. The Elder Dragons get a special page in my binder where it is the 5 original arts of them surounding 4 Torchlings that the artist drew a dragons skull with silver sharpie in a way that u only get the full picture with all 4 copies arranged 2 by 2. N on the back side of that page is the new art Nicol along with other legendary dragons that I'm not currently using. Oh ya, btw, that is the 1st page in the binder, next r foils n then planeswalkers n then other cards all in defending rarity n then tokens at the end.
Alpha Shivan Dragon..... the card that proves that the Reserved List is total BS... because Shivan Dragon is NOT on the list and can be gotten for as little as $.10... Even if you dismantled the reserved list and reprinted most those cards dozens of times.... Their original versions are still going to be valuable...
My first experience with magic was buying a beta starter and opening a shivan dragon. The guy working the counter proceeded to talking me into trading for a lord of the pit because 7/7 > 5/5.. not that it would matter because I dont have any of my cards from that time period but I still think about it from time to time lol. Dick move random card shop guy.
I have multiple Shivan Dragons and even a Nicol Bolas. Granted, I don't have the super expensive versions shown in this video, but instead cheaper reprints. Also, my brother was hoping to get an Ancient Copper Dragon from his Baldur's Gate packs recently, but the best thing he pulled was an Ancient Brass Dragon, which is still not bad.
Well, technically, this card has never been sold, so there is no way to put a pricetag on it. "Undefined" is not the same as infinite, so it should probably have gotten an honorable mention, but not a spot on the list.
So the list becomes irrelevant after 4, because there are revised elder dragons, zodiac dragon is just a collectors piece and there are revised prints or other prints of shivan dragon and dragon whelp.
I'm sorry, but I have a Shivan Dragon in my $10 budget EDH deck. There is no world in which anyone would say it is an expensive card. Yes, it may have had an expensive PRINTING, but that doesn't make it an expensive CARD. Either take an average of all the printings (probably best to more heavily weight more recent printings too, as these affect overall price more) or just take the cheapest or most recent printing. This system of including the most expensive printing gives a totally false representation of the real, average price of cards to a real player. At worst, at least rename this series to "Most Expensive [Type] Printings".
I play an alpha copy in my deck... Everything in it (aside from CE duals and expedition fetches) is a first printing or foil... Pre-release or judge foil if there is one.
@@TreeCutterDoug It doesn't mean it costs more than 10c to acquire, if you do just want "a Shivan Dragon", though. Every card has more expensive PRINTINGS, but that doesn't make them expensive CARDS. Imagine telling people basics are stupidly expensive cards because the Guru lands exist. It's just not true as an overall statement, so is misrepresentative here too to show the most expensive printings rather than a weighted average that gives more importance to recent sets that affect the market price more.
Agree. This is what I don't like about this series of videos. Instead being called MOST EXPENSIVE [Type] it should be called MOST EXPENSIVE ORIGINAL PRINTING [Type] because he doesn't even include promos, foils and other special editions, he explicitly only uses original printings, which is weird.
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Enjoy the video!
Sorry for saying it was Monday in the video, I get mixed up sometimes recording ahead of time! Luckily, its Friday -- so have a nice weekend everybody!
Fun fact: Kokusho is one of very few legends that was nerfed by the changing of the legend rule. There was a janky deck that would get all 4 copies in the graveyard, then animate them all at once for the game.
I am convinced that Shivan Dragon got into that spot due to the untold amount of lotuses and moxen used to trade for it back in the day.
I remember when it was the most expensive card in 4th edition lol
This got me wondering what the most expensive tribes are, on average. That might make a good list for a future video, since you can also talk about how the list would change if you didn't count certain outliers or tribes with less than a certain number of creatures
Slivers gotta be one for sure
Bit of an aside, but Shivan Dragon will always stand as the example of why the reserved list is a joke. Despite literally dozens of reprints, the original still holds insane value. Not because it is good. Not because it is even playable, but because people will always want originals and they could reprint literally every card on the reserved list with only minimal impact to the original card prices. They have done it. It happened. Yet, investors will swear to the opposite, in complete opposition to reality as many simply want to sit on their pile of cardboard treasure like, well, a dragon on its hoard while players have to proxy to get the cards.
Same with Birds of Paradise, and that's a reprint that is sought after. The reprints range anywhere from 6 dollars to 10 dollars, with a hundred dollar and 25 dollar reprint, but the original is still well over 3k dollars. There are so many cards from that time that aren't widely played that I wanted to put in a deck, but the price for them is abysmal
I guess it makes sense but after witnessing the growing intricacies of complex systems in all walks of life recently: I'm not 100% sure that's how it would pan out (though I lean to "yes").
The revised duals would definitely go down, probably significantly, if they reprinted them.
I have never understood how reprinting a card affects it's "collectibility". I mean look at comics or baseball cards; key comics and cards have been reprinted dozens of times, and this does nothing to affect the rarity or value of the original. And even if you reprint a reserved list card, some whales will still want the original for the bling factor. And many cards on the reserved list, no one really wants, so I can't see how reprinting them would matter at all; it basically comes down to a small amount of very rare, very powerful cards that have their price inflated for a reason entirely unrelated to their collectible status- their value as game pieces.
Rarity & age are only part of the equation. Playabiliy is another key driver of demand. Karakas would be way more expensive if it were on the reserved list. Also, Shivan Dragon was iconic - especially the original, which is another factor that doesn't equally apply to other cards.
I think the most shocking part of this video is that there's only 315 dragons
Teeka's Dragon isn't gonna be on this list, because despite being on the Reserve List, WOTC knew everyone would play it, so that's why they printed 100 quadrillion copies.
I missed the running joke. Where did this one come from?
I am not sure if that card would count as a dragon though......
@@ItsDangerousGoAlone It says "counts as a Dragon" in its text box, outside of being errataed as an Artifact Creature - Dragon. They made it even more powerful retroactively.
@@oreszteszmurgacs7689 Like every relevant worst of list throughout the years, Nizzahon has it on them.
I feel like he made this list specifically to spite you.
Dragons are the coolest creature type. It’s a shame we don’t see more of them in Modern!
@Niko we do have Murktide at the top now, but that’s about it. Sprite Dragon and Glorybringer see very sporadic play, but I can’t even think of another dragon I’ve seen across the table from me with any sort of regularity.
@@emperornapoleon6204 just checked on Scryfall and there are 191 dragons legal in Modern.
When I think of "expensive dragons" I thought their mana cost 😅😭
Old School Shivan Dragon looks so freaking cool though.
So does Firestorm Hellkite, which is way worse.
I'm surprised Old Gnawbone didn't make the list.
Really interesting video.
Worth noting Zodiac Dragon has Oracle rules text specifying that it only works if put into your graveyard FROM THE BATTLEFIELD. I'm not sure if this is errata or if technically the dragon always worked that way due to the Portal Three Kingdoms rules being a little odd, but either way if it wasn't the case then the card would be super broken (essentially functioning as a one card infinite discard engine)
It's worth clarifying your point about Zodiac Dragon. While P3K was only released in Asia and Oceania, the latter was the main place English printings were released, while Asian market was primarily the Chinese and Japanese versions. So English commands that $600 price tag.
"Zodiac Dragon is awful! "
*Kaalia enters that chat*
Balefire dragon in Kaalia is not too shabby as well.
The Shivan Dragon is that much because there were only 1020 of the Alpha version printed. It was thought that 1100 Alpha sets were printed but later on found out to be less. However that being said, the video creator said that he was going of NM pricing. A MP/LP Alpha Shivan dragon goes for 4500-6000 these days. As for the Dragon Whelp, $190-450.
I thought for sure the OP was going to say the Shichifukujin Dragon for number 1 slot.
These price based videos are my absolute favourites, almost as good as "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)!" Plenty of cards from there would be on "most expensive" lists.
What *is* the most expensive creature type on average? Top Ten, please!
My apologies to whoever gets my cards when I die. I've got an original Dragon Whelp, but I played with it a ton, and didn't start using sleeves until the mid 2000s.
Almost no one used sleeves until the mid 2000s, hard as it is to imagine today. I shuffled plenty of Revised dual lands without sleeves when I was in 8th and 9th grade.
Terror of the Peaks is fun in Historic with Dragonstorm.
I play most of these dragons, and The Ur-Dragon as my dragon commander deck
It would be cool if you added the beta and unlimited prices to the alpha prices. Thanks for the great content!
Would be Interesting to see a list of most expensive cards on mtgo just for fun
I'm always surprised when he mentions how many of a card type there are in the game. For some reason I thought there would be way more than just 315 dragons.
Im really surprised Murktide Regent didnt make the list
Why? It's well under $20.
I don't like it when these lists include cards that have much cheaper versions. Imo if there's a cheaper version, the card should go into Honorable Mentions
This was great as a longtime dragon player! I'd love a Top 10 Most Expensive Zombies...There's so many zombies, so many are good, I have no clue which cost the most though.
Recently built dinosaur tribal edh deck. Was quite surprised by the price. Would be great to see most expensive dinosaurs list
Zacama has to be the most expensive
@@ApexZer0 that would be my guess too without looking it up. I think there was a judge promo, so I’d guess that one is the most expensive version.
You'd think a 9-mana price tag would put a card in the top ten of most expensive dragons.
He was talking about dollars, but you knew that anyway
Nicol Bolas is a pretty ridiculous first-turn play with Dark Ritual, Cabal Therapy, and Goryo's Vengeance.
''Getting your hands on a Zodiac Dragon is very difficult.'' Printer goes brrrrr.
It's too bad that Old Gnawbone does see as much play as it should. It's one of the most powerful dragons in the game, but because its effect is so powerful, not many people run it. It was a $45 card for the normal printing and $70 for the borderless full art. Now they are $25 and $33. Which sucks because I bought the borderless full art for $60 at one point
The #0 Expensive Dragon is Shukufujin (spelling) Dragon.
It was one of the first 1/1 cards made.
*Shichifukujin Dragon
Honestly, I really love that card's rarity. It actually deserves it.
number 1 proves that rhe reprint of the RL would not affect any prices of the RL
Slight good update to the list as of this date
Balefire dragon got a reprint in commander masters 2023 and is around 10 dollars.
Skithirix got a reprint in March of the machine and is around 5 dollars and is officially a Phyrexian.
You can easily find the ur dragon for under 20 dollars now since it finally got a reprint in commander masters 2023.
With the legends Nicol bolas in his original art is expensive but he has been reprinted and not sure why but I can find the other 2 in there original for less them 20.
Shivan dragon and dragon whelp are only expensive in there original art and have been reprinted lots of times.
Not surprisingly a lot of these got much need reprints in commander masters and in 2023 sets in general.
These are so expensive that I guess all you can do is...imagine dragons
Oh the misery.
Boooooooo... 😂🤣😜
I remember in 1995 considering buying an alpha Shivan dragon for like 30.00 dollars...
Have a time machine?
Good list, but I find it a little inconsistent in its form. YES Shivan Dragon is around 10k for alpha, but its also 49cents for the M10 version. If you are talking most expensive versions you need to account for foil extended versions of terror of the peaks and so on.... I would have preferred a list with the 10 most expensive dragons based on cheapest or most expensive version, this is neither.
I'm surprised Shichifukujin Dragon didn't make the list.
Well, technically, this card has never been sold, so there is no way to put a pricetag on it. "Undefined" is not the same as infinite, so it should probably have gotten an honorable mention, but not a spot on the list.
I thought old gnawbone would be on the list... it's more expensive than kokusho where I live
Terror of the Peaks is the best card on this list.
Heyho,
Can you make someday a top ten cards which are bad in Limited but great in competetive constructed (or a top ten of cards great in limited but never sucsessfull in competetive constructed)?
How could you bait us by putting a dragon with flying and rampage at #2? Surely you know the actual dragon most in need
First LIKE!!!!!!!
Noice! Glad to see the Elder Dragons on the list. I wasn't expecting to see cards I own on this list (well my Nicols r the Time Spiral n Duel Deck prints) even tho I have a lot of great dragons but so many pushed dragons have come out since I last had enough money to buy cards. The Elder Dragons get a special page in my binder where it is the 5 original arts of them surounding 4 Torchlings that the artist drew a dragons skull with silver sharpie in a way that u only get the full picture with all 4 copies arranged 2 by 2. N on the back side of that page is the new art Nicol along with other legendary dragons that I'm not currently using. Oh ya, btw, that is the 1st page in the binder, next r foils n then planeswalkers n then other cards all in defending rarity n then tokens at the end.
Is the alfa shivan dragon the most expensive CREATURE in mtg? Im sure its close. Eiher way that is a list id like to see!
seems I have 2 beta dragon wheps.. didn t know they were this expensive
Wow, the Teeka’s Dragon guy is running uncharacteristically late today…
Alpha Shivan Dragon..... the card that proves that the Reserved List is total BS... because Shivan Dragon is NOT on the list and can be gotten for as little as $.10... Even if you dismantled the reserved list and reprinted most those cards dozens of times.... Their original versions are still going to be valuable...
valid
I went right to confused when the video man says Monday, but the vid released an hour ago on a Friday. I need sleeps.
Most expensive would be the Shichifukujin Dragon though.
My first experience with magic was buying a beta starter and opening a shivan dragon. The guy working the counter proceeded to talking me into trading for a lord of the pit because 7/7 > 5/5.. not that it would matter because I dont have any of my cards from that time period but I still think about it from time to time lol. Dick move random card shop guy.
I have multiple Shivan Dragons and even a Nicol Bolas. Granted, I don't have the super expensive versions shown in this video, but instead cheaper reprints. Also, my brother was hoping to get an Ancient Copper Dragon from his Baldur's Gate packs recently, but the best thing he pulled was an Ancient Brass Dragon, which is still not bad.
Today is Monday? 😢
I bought 2 balefire dragon for 6.50 in 2019.
yea i acquired one from a friend when he wanted to offload his collection. got it for less then a buck some years back
Guess you could place the shichifukujin dragon at number 1, on a technicality
Well, technically, this card has never been sold, so there is no way to put a pricetag on it. "Undefined" is not the same as infinite, so it should probably have gotten an honorable mention, but not a spot on the list.
It's Monday every day 😢
Shichifukujin Dragon should be number 1 😊
But it can't. There's only one copy and it's never been sold - impossible to determine its price. It's literally priceless.
What about the ampersand foil Tiamat from AFR? Isn't that about $1000?
As I said in the intro, I didn't use promos, just the original base version of cards
Oh Lord please don't let it be Monday
Dragon deez nuts
Monday?!?!
Ahem, as I must state, factually that is... the reason you like Dragons so much.
Is Cuz I'm Dragon Deez Nuts Across Yo Face.
Its sad to see all the cards drop so much in value. 😢
It's pretty much always Alpha cards on top of those "most expensive" lists.
if this has no foils im pissed
So the list becomes irrelevant after 4, because there are revised elder dragons, zodiac dragon is just a collectors piece and there are revised prints or other prints of shivan dragon and dragon whelp.
Top 13 ;)
I have shivan dragon i have been trying to sell
Wooo
I'm sorry, but I have a Shivan Dragon in my $10 budget EDH deck. There is no world in which anyone would say it is an expensive card. Yes, it may have had an expensive PRINTING, but that doesn't make it an expensive CARD. Either take an average of all the printings (probably best to more heavily weight more recent printings too, as these affect overall price more) or just take the cheapest or most recent printing. This system of including the most expensive printing gives a totally false representation of the real, average price of cards to a real player. At worst, at least rename this series to "Most Expensive [Type] Printings".
I play an alpha copy in my deck... Everything in it (aside from CE duals and expedition fetches) is a first printing or foil... Pre-release or judge foil if there is one.
@@TreeCutterDoug It doesn't mean it costs more than 10c to acquire, if you do just want "a Shivan Dragon", though. Every card has more expensive PRINTINGS, but that doesn't make them expensive CARDS. Imagine telling people basics are stupidly expensive cards because the Guru lands exist. It's just not true as an overall statement, so is misrepresentative here too to show the most expensive printings rather than a weighted average that gives more importance to recent sets that affect the market price more.
Agree. This is what I don't like about this series of videos. Instead being called MOST EXPENSIVE [Type] it should be called MOST EXPENSIVE ORIGINAL PRINTING [Type] because he doesn't even include promos, foils and other special editions, he explicitly only uses original printings, which is weird.
Yeah... I do see your point.
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I thought goblins were red.
They are Red's representative creature type. Dragons are the iconic creature type for Red.
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Prices are a good bit lower on TCGplayer comparatively.
Monday??