C'mon let's be honest here for once. That women's wargames match was the worst ever in WWE history. There is no excuse you can make for it. The teams didn't make sense. There was no story except for Liv and Rhea and that story is getting boring and has run it's couse. Bayley and Iyo who hate eachother was on the same team. Iyo and Bianca who hate eachother was on the same team. Nia and Liv who 3 weeks ago in Saudi wanted to kill eachother was on the same team. I don't even care about all the botches and there were many of them but this match was dumb, stupid, pointless and shouldn't have been a wargames match. And WWE actually have managed to let a Money In the Bank winner become a JOKE Not only with all the failed cash in attemps. But even when Iyo and Tiffany were doing the big spot of the match WWE booked it so they did it at the same time. But the camera was on Iyo meaning that Tiffany's spot got totally overlooked and it didn't feel like an awesome spot it just felt like another botch. They should have had first Iyo do her spot and then have Tiffany do her spot. That would have gotten a bigger reaction. It would have looked better and it would have giving this match a better reception. They should have done this with these teams like a traditional 5 vs 5 Survivor Series elimination match. This match was the worst wargames match in WWE history and you all know it's true - 1/5
Rhea's mask was in fact protective but was made by Jason Baker❤ The creator of the Fiend and the WYATTSICK6 masks! He himself confirmed it. It needs mentioned 👌🥰
I went into this expecting a heel turn, swerves like Naomi attacking Jade, Tiffany actually cashing in, and wanted Team Liv to win. This match was just "good...not bad"
Girl... UH-UH! You're too blind to realize that Liv and Raquel attacked Jade before War Games. If they can't be the Women's World Tag Team Champions, they have no choice but to take out Jade.
I think the legitimate injury force them to pivot to that angle and we might not get an answer on who attacked Jade until they know how much time she's out, worst case scenario is a year out so we might not get the answer until the road to mania
They buried both of their main champions and no interesting points in the match. There were no heel turns or even reveal to who attacked Jade. Not to mention team Bianca’s 3rd win in a row. I also think that if they did want the faces to win, iyo should have pinned Liv to further their storyline even though they don’t have one when iyos the #1 contender
Iyo has already pinned Morgan- that’s why she’s the no 1 contender. She didn’t need this victory bcuz the focus moving forward is not on her- it’s on Rhea. Liv will defeat Iyo and move on.
Yeah she is just a sweetheart from her social media posts that it definitely hurt her confidence. I was wholly hearted one of her biggest detractors in her first run, the fact that she still gets so much hate with people blindly saying she has not improved is wild
I’m so tired of “Rhea beats everybody and easily beats Liv.” From the moment she entered this match I was way less invested bc I knew it was gonna be all about Rhea.
I disagree with the both of you. I’m tired of fans talking shit about Rhea. This whole comment section is shit talking Rhea. Rhea is the face of the women’s division and she’s GREAT at being that.
@@Strr165 Rhea is one of the biggest stars in the company b/c she is a phenomenal wrestler. I just wish she didn’t make the whole division always look weak, that’s all.
Rhea is my favorite wrestler, and it pisses me off SO MUCH to see her being booked like ass. Like seriously it’s been almost the same formula EVERY WEEK since she returned before SummerSlam. Liv is being Liv, Rhea’s music hits, she beats on Liv for a little while, and then either Liv runs away, or Rhea is overpowered after a few good blows. I love her SO MUCH and I’m SO TIRED of this Liv Morgan feud stretching so long. Edit: ALSO, I *hate* the way Raquel is being booked too. Like, she went from an imposing opponent who actually looks like a threat, to a TOTAL JOBBER for Liv. It’s in INFURIATING
I really enjoyed the match. But I feel like Liv’s team definitely should have won. They were so cohesive, united, and dominating. They were matching. Nia looked so good. The way Naomi clocked Nia with that toilet seat was HILARIOUS 😂. And the stink face was icing on the cake.
Having matching uniforms doesn’t mean they were on the same page. The heel team was just as disorganized with Candice and Tiff competing for Nia’s attention, tiff attempting to cash in MitB on her own team mates, and Raquel stopping Tiff from cashing in MitB. The heel team had major problems with each other
I have to say this as a women’s wrestling fan. This storyline for this Wargames match confirmed everything I need to know. The women in Wwe rn are not being used to their full potential. I mean, we are getting mid card titles for both brands rn and they announce them backstage and before a show starts. When they announced the women’s Royal Rumble under Vince, they had the ring full of all the women on Raw. When they announced the first all women’s pay per view, they had the women step in front of the men and announce it to them. First ever MITB match, all Smackdown women were in the ring. All these first and to me, this is one of the biggest announcements for the women in a long time, and that is how you announce the titles? To me especially for build up’s to Wrestlemania’s, have just been completely flat. Like how do you have Becky and Rhea, two of ur biggest names have one of the worst build ups to Wrestlemania? I feel like they don’t get intriguing storylines anymore and are constantly being an afterthought or eye candy. There isn’t respect anymore to me. I hate saying this bc I love women’s wrestling and have always preferred it over the men. But now, I find myself bored and not as interested as I once was. Does anyone else feel this way about the women today?
I literally think the exact same everyone’s been saying they need womens midcard titles but they literally can’t even give them decent storylines as is?
yup. i completely agree. it’s because they only care about the Bloodline stuff & all their energy goes into booking that. everything else is secondary to them.
I hate that they’re writing Liv out to be a pus when she literally beat Ronda Rousey. Fill her up with delusion or false bravado, but making Liv look scared to wrestle with Rea just isn’t good for anyone.
I think Nia is purposely holding back because of all the backlash she gets when she injures people. Obviously a chair shot hurts, but 1. She’s stronger and bigger than the rest of the women and 2. She’s hitting women, not men, with a chair. So it’s more likely that someone would get injured, or complain that she nearly injured them, if she actually swung that chair.
i find it funny as well how no one has an issue with the way Rhea is booked (from what i see mainly on X) and yet when Bianca was booked strong everyone was mad. wonder why…
This WarGames match just confirmed everything we need to know, Mister Triple H doesnt care about Nia and Liv as WWE and Womens Champion, he only cares about his Womens Tag Team Champions and Rhea. How Nia and Liv are booked is incredible sad, and everyone gets buried by Rhea Ripley, even Iyo Sky the ACTUAL No1 Contender who EARNED a title shot, I bet they will pass her over, so Rhea can get another title reign. Triple H's booking of strong women or the singles Champions is awful.
Yeah, and when people complain about this, some fans say "They're both champions, how are they misused?" IT'S NOT ABOUT JUST HOLDING A CHAMPIONSHIP GUYS!! What are they doing during their reigns and how are they being perceived by the fans? A champion is supposed to carry the brand. I know Liv is a coward heel and all that, but still, she's a champion. This is the time she dominates and use everything she can to collect wins. This will trigger and annoy the fans to a point it will feel good when someone (probably Rhea) dethrones her. But this 50/50 booking with champions just because there are overpushed talent on the other side SUCKS. You don't get that on the men's side, and if that happens, it's waaaay less than in the women's division.
What I think would’ve been rlly cool is if Rhea or Iyo tried to pin Liv and the other stopped them because they wanna pin Liv. I think some footage should’ve shown of Jade and Bianca acts weird (to make us think, did she do it? Or is she just worried?) Finally if Team Rhea won then I think Iyo should’ve got the pin and Tiff cash in on Nia, however if that wasn’t to happen then Team Liv should’ve won Cus they have 3 champions and ms money in the bank.
I can't believe a men's stipulation match was better than the women's, that hasn't happened since Elimination Chamber 2023...i'm disappointed. Also, how much you want to bet that triple h is going to "forget" Iyo is the no.1 contender 😒
Tbh, I feel like adding Rhea and Liv feud wasn't necessary plus when's it gonna end? What else do they gotta prove? I think they should've had Iyo vs Liv for the championship and Naomi, Bianca, Jade, Bayley +1 vs Nia, Tiffany, Candice +2 for the wargames match... So disappointing...
To be honest, when this match was first announced, I thought, “Okay, this doesn’t make any sense for any of these ladies to team up, but at least the star power is insane and we’ll get some interesting tension between the teams.” Then Rhea suddenly returned, Jade got taken out, and Bayley joined the mix without much build-up. This match honestly had potential, but it felt like WWE didn’t care about the storytelling or the potential feuds involved. They didn’t bother building up any tension within Team Rhea; it was just like, “Well, it’s November, ladies-time for WarGames! Team up together and just go out there and have a match!” The match itself wasn’t great; it was pretty forgettable, with only a few memorable spots. Worst match on the card in my opinion, the Men’s Wargames was SO MUCH BETTER and the build was fantastic by showcasing tension between TeamRoman before and after Wargames.
the women's and men was better bc there wwe women's who put there bodies on the line to make the crowd happy like when liv hit rhea with a bat she risked her life tiffany and iyo jumping from a higher point they risked jumping off and as well what iyo said when she was in the trash can its dark she doesnt even know where she going to be be landing
yeah because WWE only put effort into storytelling if it’s the bloodline feud. it’s really hurting the product overall. the other men’s matches on the card had questionable builds as well. they really need to fix up.
it's just so weird to book the heel team with both of the women's champions to lose & have one of them take the pin when you JUST had Nia & Liv at Crown Jewel. there's no reason for super rhea, the booking is stale
Exactly. And if they really wanted faces to win, could have made Iyo pin Liv to progress the storyline as she's the number one contender for the title.
Triple H's biggest mistake is to think that "numbers = quality". And sometimes he even misses with the numbers too, when there's barely anything involving the women. Number of women's matches on a show, number of women's titles and number of women appearing on screen doesn't mean there's quality. Vince was trash without a doubt, lots of awful storylines and patterns that got boring, but somehow a few years ago the product was edgier, you had segments were women felt important. They were all there for big announcements, for brand vs brand rivalries, they played important roles against each other and in men's feuds too. Now it's like "Let's throw these 3 random girls together and make a faction. They're getting screentime even if there's no reaction at all because people don't even know why they teamed up, but hey, there are women on this show!" This WarGames had EVERYTHING to be one of the best considering the amount of star power, ongoing feuds, tension between members of the same team, a MITB briefcase holder, storylines that could go further and so much more. But they really ruined it by just making it a feel good moment for the faces, specially rhea's weird fans.
Story wise they did nothing with Iyo and Candice, Nia and her goons got along great when the story is that Candice wants to replace Tiffany, Naomi/Bianca/ Bayley conflict didn’t happen and Nia and Naomi could of had something because of their championship match having interfering
the problem is they only care about the Bloodline stuff. everything else is on the backseat. the women weren’t the only ones suffering from this, the other men’s matches did as well. it’s really hurting the product overall.
I agree , the women's war game should been put together a little better, The spot with Liv Morgan beating Rhea with a bat then Rhea become supergirl and act like nothing happen and the use of a toilet seat was a missed opportunity , So yes it was a let down !
The women's match was bad the men really carried the ppv. Big disappointment. No reason to hav rhea's team win, the other team were the champions. And it look like they r gonna drag the whole Rhea and liv BS longer!
the storyline is getting weirder tbh bcs why would liv scared with rhea? cuz her purpose of revenge tour is to take down rhea from the first place... Ik HHH like rhea but damn don't make all the Champs looking like shit! I don't hate rhea outside WWE but damn... atp let rhea win that title and let tiffany cash in on her so the story end up with them both didn't have the title.
Liv had to be stopped by security the night after Rhea had to relinquish her title but now Liv's terrified of Rhea's shadow. Makes no sense being small doesn't mean you have to be a cowardly heel. Liv's whole character arc is predicated upon wanting to hurt Rhea so why is she afraid of her now?
My favorite part of War Games was the press after where someone asked Iyo who she'd have in her corner against The Judgement Day, and she was just like "I'm in Damage Ctrl."
Rhea pinned Liv while Iyo is the number contender! I hope Iyo wins but with the rivalry between Liv and Rhea it most likely not gonna happen. And Candice is no longer undefeated at War Games. Damn!😅😅 Question: Is Candice still undefeated at Street Fight matches in WWE?
@zenithofgod yes, I do remember now, the one against Mia and the other one when she and Indi won those NXT tag titles. I wish she had another one on the main roster against Bayley, Mia or Tiffany. After all, she and Tiff are having conflicts. A short program with Tiffany before Tiffany feud against Nia would be great.
Rhea Ripley Pinning Liv Morgan Instead Of The GOAT Of Women's WarGames IYO Sky Who's The #1 Contender Shows That IYO Sky Unfortunately Is Not Winning The Title Also Out Of All The Objects Under The Ring "A TOILET SEAT"
They don’t need a war games match every year. This goes for the men too. It makes the event less special. The match could have been a lot smoother if it was a traditional elimination match.
It was such a waste of time to have this match. They could’ve booked it so much better with the mistrust among the faces. The heels could’ve taken this win. Oh and the OP Rhea booking when Iyo is the top contender just makes no sense
Kinda getting sick of everyone shitting on poor Raquel. She’s playing the hopeless bodyguard character. She isn’t supposed to be this big, defence character. She’s literally Lenny from of Mice and Men. So I think people need to cut her some slack rather than grill her for mishaps in the ring.
I don’t mind team Rhea winning or even Liv taking the pin but I wish it could have been IYO who pins Liv instead. With that, they can actually focus on the No 1 contender and the champion, IYO vs Liv. Hopefully this leads to Rhea helping IYO win the women world title and they can focus on their boring fued without involving the championship.
It could have been easy: 1) Team Rhea win: Tiffany should have cashed in on either Nia or Liv, leaving the match, leaving her team at disadvantage and making them not looking that weak. 2) Team Liv wins: they could have revelead who attacked Jade and have jade attack her before the start of the match Booking of both champions suck now.
They always make liv look weaker and makes rhea looks more stronger like its not entertaining anymore they should make liv almost in the level of rheas power level to make their matches more intense and shocking
They completely missed the mark on furthering storylines for the women. If Liv Vs Rhea is not a HIAC match they can keep because of tired of them both. Jade storyline should’ve been teased whether backstage or in the match. I think the intercontinental championship is going to be won on the 1st netflix raw. We have all this new amazing talent but yet they continue to drop the ball when it comes to the women’s roster. This scares me for the midcard title’s. And if Liv was getting pin why not by Iyo instead of Rhea it was stupid and diminished Iyo number 1 contender ship. It’s sad I had high hopes for this match and it wasn’t the women’s fault smh.
What I wish would have happened was for Nia and Tiffany to have miscommunications during the match, making them angry at each other. The spot with Tiffy in doubt over which champion to cash in on while both Nia and Liv were down was great, so that would have still happened. At the end, IF they would have the face team win, have IYO pin a knocked out Liv and then have Tiffany try to cash in on Liv. Raquel was handcuffed to the ropes, so she couldn't help Liv in that moment. Only then Nia and Candice would ruin Tiffy's cash in, turning Tiffy face and starting their feud.
Iyo and Tiffany slayed. WarGames booking flopped. Also yeah, Iyo is number 1 contender. Rhea actually brought this up in the post WG interview. You'd never know with Raw though.
I fear WWE is doing the same with the women’s championship as they are doing with the women’s tag team championship. When was the last time Liv defended her championship?
I’m so disappointed with Nia’s booking, when she came back she was so dominant beating the big dogs without problem and since becoming champion she either loses or win thanks to shenanigans
As good as Nia has looked since she came back, this was her worst showing since coming back last year. Nia should NOT have started this match. She was blown out so fast and it hurt the match. Personally Rhea should have stayed "injured" and let someone like Mia or maybe even Chelsea (It was super close to her hometown) have that spot, with Rhea returning AFTER the match. The booking leading into this match was messy, the match itself was super messy and overall it was pretty disappointing.
Opportunity 😅 Actually Bianca used her braid on Candace and she used her braids simultaneously with Barley, Barley was using it on Rachel and Bianca on Nia. I thought that was cute but why was Bianca cool with Barley touching her hair?
It’s becoming redundant, rhea comes in buries Liv and leaves , this has been happening over and over and over again , it came to a point Where it wouldn’t matter if they had a wrestle mania match , cuz why would there be any anticipation, when one buries the other over and over again, why would they need a seperate timelsot in wrestlemania, I wish they would’ve written this story in a way where Liv gets out of a match every time before rhea could get her hands on her, like AJ Lee did wheneve she defended her title, at least there would be some anticipation left for a grand stage
People didnt have the Championship lost problem when Shayna Baszler NXT Womens Champion lost in 2019. IYO SKY NXT Women's Champion lost in 2020. Mandy Rose NXT Women's Champion lost in 2021. Damage CTRL Womens Tag Team Champions lost in 2022. IYO SKY WWE Women's Champion lost in 2023...... literally every years Champions lost.😂😂😂😂
I agree it was a fun match, but yeah definitely missed opportunities story wise for sure! I think Rhea would have been the champion again by now, but they are holding off for the Netflix switch.
Disagree with the title. Yes there were some botches but Liv wacking everyone with that bat made up for it & that final sequence was fire. There's been a lot better Women's War Games matches but this one wasn't bad.
You guys have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to wrestling psychology- Liv is *not* a credible physical force, in real life or kayfabe, to Rhea Ripley she just isn’t. Period. The only way the story works is if she’s a chicken shit heel who weasels her way into/out of everything. She literally won the title by cheating how do yall expect her to now be a “fighting dominant champion” gtfoh 🙄 be for real w yourselves. This is Liv Morgan we’re talking about here not Charlotte Flair or Bianca Belair- ppl who could believably go toe to toe w Rhea… Also, this idea that a champion should be infallible is weird. As for Iyo she’s already pinned Morgan which is why she’s the no. 1 contender. They will have their moment, Liv will defeat Iyo and move on! But the way ppl have turned on Rhea for being a fxckin star is nasty work. Same thing happened w Bianca when she was on top. Could you imagine ppl saying Austin was “overpowered, overpushed & overrated when he was on top?? Wow nasty work. As far as Bayley goes she was in the position you speak of in last yrs War Games, no? She was a heel and the leader of her team. She went in first. Bayley always goes into these type of big matches first and/or goes the distance. She bumps for everyone and they needed her in this as a replacement for Jade bcuz they needed 😊a ring general. Clearly Bayley was coordinating a lot of this. She had her role and did what was required of her in this moment.
I would’ve definitely voted for Bianca Belair if she was nominated. I might go with Liv Morgan or Nia Jax. Hopefully Bianca gets pushed back into the singles scene and wins more championships.
Unpopular opinion but Liv looks weak regardless because she just hasn’t ever been booked as dangerous. When you look at her team, she stands out as being the weakest imo like compare her time to Nia, Tiffany & Raquel….like…it’s hard to make her look credible even defeating Rhea.!
I think the order of entries was weird, but War Games match can become stale because is not pinfalls or submission in the first 20 something minutes so we know that no one is gonna win in that point and it just a spot fest after spot fest and if the wrestlers are not like super high flyers or brutal hardcore wrestlers using weapons the match goes meh😅😅😅
I am fine with booking Rhea as a very strong champion, but they were making her undefeated and it felt like nobody was ever going to win and it definitely got boring. Nia was the legit best choice to dethrone her but they did not want her to win. And we’re in the most boring fued with Liv and Rhea and the Tiffany Nia thing is also stale. I wish they would just let Nia stand on her own.
Unfortunately most wrestling crowds are horny straight men and they won't be booing the human personification of the big tiddy goth gf who has a dominatrix gimmick.
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C'mon let's be honest here for once. That women's wargames match was the worst ever in WWE history. There is no excuse you can make for it. The teams didn't make sense. There was no story except for Liv and Rhea and that story is getting boring and has run it's couse. Bayley and Iyo who hate eachother was on the same team. Iyo and Bianca who hate eachother was on the same team. Nia and Liv who 3 weeks ago in Saudi wanted to kill eachother was on the same team. I don't even care about all the botches and there were many of them but this match was dumb, stupid, pointless and shouldn't have been a wargames match. And WWE actually have managed to let a Money In the Bank winner become a JOKE Not only with all the failed cash in attemps. But even when Iyo and Tiffany were doing the big spot of the match WWE booked it so they did it at the same time. But the camera was on Iyo meaning that Tiffany's spot got totally overlooked and it didn't feel like an awesome spot it just felt like another botch. They should have had first Iyo do her spot and then have Tiffany do her spot. That would have gotten a bigger reaction. It would have looked better and it would have giving this match a better reception. They should have done this with these teams like a traditional 5 vs 5 Survivor Series elimination match. This match was the worst wargames match in WWE history and you all know it's true - 1/5
Rhea's mask was in fact protective but was made by Jason Baker❤ The creator of the Fiend and the WYATTSICK6 masks! He himself confirmed it. It needs mentioned 👌🥰
I went into this expecting a heel turn, swerves like Naomi attacking Jade, Tiffany actually cashing in, and wanted Team Liv to win. This match was just "good...not bad"
Girl... UH-UH! You're too blind to realize that Liv and Raquel attacked Jade before War Games. If they can't be the Women's World Tag Team Champions, they have no choice but to take out Jade.
I think the legitimate injury force them to pivot to that angle and we might not get an answer on who attacked Jade until they know how much time she's out, worst case scenario is a year out so we might not get the answer until the road to mania
They buried both of their main champions and no interesting points in the match. There were no heel turns or even reveal to who attacked Jade. Not to mention team Bianca’s 3rd win in a row. I also think that if they did want the faces to win, iyo should have pinned Liv to further their storyline even though they don’t have one when iyos the #1 contender
Plus the Speed champion Candace
Iyo has already pinned Morgan- that’s why she’s the no 1 contender. She didn’t need this victory bcuz the focus moving forward is not on her- it’s on Rhea. Liv will defeat Iyo and move on.
@@_justinblizzleno she literally won a battle royal.
i’ve said it and i’ll say it again, RHEA IS OVERPOWERED. the story becomes stale bcs liv looks weak.
I do think the heels needed and should have won this
@Thee.A.B.M couldn’t agree more, and if the face still won the match, i think it should’ve been iyo who pinned liv bcs she’s THE NUMBER ONE CONTENDER
EXACTLY!!! You have Raquel who's supposed to be Liv's bodyguard but can't even stand a punch to Rhea but was a monster back in NXT☠️☠️
Yeah they should've booked Judgement Day strong. It would've made this WarGames a bigger deal. I was satisfied with the match, action wise tho.
Liv is weak that's the thing Rhea needs a tougher opponent like Morgan's Tag partner Raquel
I think Nia was just scared to hurt people from fear of people calling her a bad worker again.
Yeah she is just a sweetheart from her social media posts that it definitely hurt her confidence. I was wholly hearted one of her biggest detractors in her first run, the fact that she still gets so much hate with people blindly saying she has not improved is wild
I’m so tired of “Rhea beats everybody and easily beats Liv.” From the moment she entered this match I was way less invested bc I knew it was gonna be all about Rhea.
Exactly tho like there was potential for the babyfaces to break apart and lose
I disagree with the both of you. I’m tired of fans talking shit about Rhea. This whole comment section is shit talking Rhea. Rhea is the face of the women’s division and she’s GREAT at being that.
@@Strr165 Rhea is one of the biggest stars in the company b/c she is a phenomenal wrestler. I just wish she didn’t make the whole division always look weak, that’s all.
Cause liv is just not champion material 😕
Rhea is my favorite wrestler, and it pisses me off SO MUCH to see her being booked like ass. Like seriously it’s been almost the same formula EVERY WEEK since she returned before SummerSlam. Liv is being Liv, Rhea’s music hits, she beats on Liv for a little while, and then either Liv runs away, or Rhea is overpowered after a few good blows. I love her SO MUCH and I’m SO TIRED of this Liv Morgan feud stretching so long.
Edit: ALSO, I *hate* the way Raquel is being booked too. Like, she went from an imposing opponent who actually looks like a threat, to a TOTAL JOBBER for Liv. It’s in INFURIATING
I really enjoyed the match. But I feel like Liv’s team definitely should have won. They were so cohesive, united, and dominating. They were matching. Nia looked so good. The way Naomi clocked Nia with that toilet seat was HILARIOUS 😂. And the stink face was icing on the cake.
Having matching uniforms doesn’t mean they were on the same page. The heel team was just as disorganized with Candice and Tiff competing for Nia’s attention, tiff attempting to cash in MitB on her own team mates, and Raquel stopping Tiff from cashing in MitB. The heel team had major problems with each other
Imagine how tired we are of Rhea.. Overpowered, overrated, overhyped. & can we stop with these long A title reigns.. Gosh
Lady wawaaa crying again 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
yeah right...people at the arenas in real life and not the internet think the same...😅
Not mentioning making Rhea the baby-face when in reality she was the bad guy all along...
@@oski1500THIS is what I keep saying
@@oski1500Liv deserves to be champion without being chained to Rhea anymore!
I have to say this as a women’s wrestling fan. This storyline for this Wargames match confirmed everything I need to know. The women in Wwe rn are not being used to their full potential. I mean, we are getting mid card titles for both brands rn and they announce them backstage and before a show starts. When they announced the women’s Royal Rumble under Vince, they had the ring full of all the women on Raw. When they announced the first all women’s pay per view, they had the women step in front of the men and announce it to them. First ever MITB match, all Smackdown women were in the ring. All these first and to me, this is one of the biggest announcements for the women in a long time, and that is how you announce the titles? To me especially for build up’s to Wrestlemania’s, have just been completely flat. Like how do you have Becky and Rhea, two of ur biggest names have one of the worst build ups to Wrestlemania? I feel like they don’t get intriguing storylines anymore and are constantly being an afterthought or eye candy. There isn’t respect anymore to me. I hate saying this bc I love women’s wrestling and have always preferred it over the men. But now, I find myself bored and not as interested as I once was. Does anyone else feel this way about the women today?
Yeah
triple nose not beating the hating women and being a terrible booker allegations 😭💀
I literally think the exact same everyone’s been saying they need womens midcard titles but they literally can’t even give them decent storylines as is?
yup. i completely agree. it’s because they only care about the Bloodline stuff & all their energy goes into booking that. everything else is secondary to them.
@@YoonaSimsidiot
I hate that they’re writing Liv out to be a pus when she literally beat Ronda Rousey.
Fill her up with delusion or false bravado, but making Liv look scared to wrestle with Rea just isn’t good for anyone.
I think Nia is purposely holding back because of all the backlash she gets when she injures people. Obviously a chair shot hurts, but 1. She’s stronger and bigger than the rest of the women and 2. She’s hitting women, not men, with a chair. So it’s more likely that someone would get injured, or complain that she nearly injured them, if she actually swung that chair.
13:10 don’t you guys rember both Bianca and bayley whipping nia and Raquel in the Conor 😭
no bc i was looking for this comment!! i literally DIED laughing when i saw it
i find it funny as well how no one has an issue with the way Rhea is booked (from what i see mainly on X) and yet when Bianca was booked strong everyone was mad. wonder why…
I for one am always upset by these two, but I am not on X much sorry. But I hate Super face characters!
Let's just say it it's because Bianca's black and Rhea's an alternative white girl with a dominatrix gimmick.
@@thebatmanwhoposts9600 nailed it.
@@thebatmanwhoposts9600Correct!!!!
This WarGames match just confirmed everything we need to know, Mister Triple H doesnt care about Nia and Liv as WWE and Womens Champion, he only cares about his Womens Tag Team Champions and Rhea. How Nia and Liv are booked is incredible sad, and everyone gets buried by Rhea Ripley, even Iyo Sky the ACTUAL No1 Contender who EARNED a title shot, I bet they will pass her over, so Rhea can get another title reign. Triple H's booking of strong women or the singles Champions is awful.
Right if you aren't Rhea or to a lesser extent Bianca and Jade he doesn't really care about you.
Lady wawaaa crying again 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@sensoine see your mom's face again?
Yeah, and when people complain about this, some fans say "They're both champions, how are they misused?" IT'S NOT ABOUT JUST HOLDING A CHAMPIONSHIP GUYS!! What are they doing during their reigns and how are they being perceived by the fans? A champion is supposed to carry the brand. I know Liv is a coward heel and all that, but still, she's a champion. This is the time she dominates and use everything she can to collect wins. This will trigger and annoy the fans to a point it will feel good when someone (probably Rhea) dethrones her. But this 50/50 booking with champions just because there are overpushed talent on the other side SUCKS. You don't get that on the men's side, and if that happens, it's waaaay less than in the women's division.
What I think would’ve been rlly cool is if Rhea or Iyo tried to pin Liv and the other stopped them because they wanna pin Liv.
I think some footage should’ve shown of Jade and Bianca acts weird (to make us think, did she do it? Or is she just worried?)
Finally if Team Rhea won then I think Iyo should’ve got the pin and Tiff cash in on Nia, however if that wasn’t to happen then Team Liv should’ve won Cus they have 3 champions and ms money in the bank.
I can't believe a men's stipulation match was better than the women's, that hasn't happened since Elimination Chamber 2023...i'm disappointed.
Also, how much you want to bet that triple h is going to "forget" Iyo is the no.1 contender 😒
Tbh, I feel like adding Rhea and Liv feud wasn't necessary plus when's it gonna end? What else do they gotta prove? I think they should've had Iyo vs Liv for the championship and Naomi, Bianca, Jade, Bayley +1 vs Nia, Tiffany, Candice +2 for the wargames match... So disappointing...
Bianca actually had a good spot for the 2-way braid, she allowed Bayley to use it when they were all brawling.
🥹 that’s really sweet… I didn’t catch that the two times I watched it
@RingTheBelle yeah and she also hit candice with it too
To be honest, when this match was first announced, I thought, “Okay, this doesn’t make any sense for any of these ladies to team up, but at least the star power is insane and we’ll get some interesting tension between the teams.” Then Rhea suddenly returned, Jade got taken out, and Bayley joined the mix without much build-up. This match honestly had potential, but it felt like WWE didn’t care about the storytelling or the potential feuds involved. They didn’t bother building up any tension within Team Rhea; it was just like, “Well, it’s November, ladies-time for WarGames! Team up together and just go out there and have a match!” The match itself wasn’t great; it was pretty forgettable, with only a few memorable spots.
Worst match on the card in my opinion, the Men’s Wargames was SO MUCH BETTER and the build was fantastic by showcasing tension between TeamRoman before and after Wargames.
the women's and men was better bc there wwe women's who put there bodies on the line to make the crowd happy like when liv hit rhea with a bat she risked her life tiffany and iyo jumping from a higher point they risked jumping off and as well what iyo said when she was in the trash can its dark she doesnt even know where she going to be be landing
yeah because WWE only put effort into storytelling if it’s the bloodline feud. it’s really hurting the product overall. the other men’s matches on the card had questionable builds as well. they really need to fix up.
This match PMO !! They legit book the heel team so bad !! They’ve made liv look weak and Nia just the whole build was them loosing
it's just so weird to book the heel team with both of the women's champions to lose & have one of them take the pin when you JUST had Nia & Liv at Crown Jewel. there's no reason for super rhea, the booking is stale
Exactly. And if they really wanted faces to win, could have made Iyo pin Liv to progress the storyline as she's the number one contender for the title.
Triple H's biggest mistake is to think that "numbers = quality". And sometimes he even misses with the numbers too, when there's barely anything involving the women.
Number of women's matches on a show, number of women's titles and number of women appearing on screen doesn't mean there's quality. Vince was trash without a doubt, lots of awful storylines and patterns that got boring, but somehow a few years ago the product was edgier, you had segments were women felt important. They were all there for big announcements, for brand vs brand rivalries, they played important roles against each other and in men's feuds too. Now it's like "Let's throw these 3 random girls together and make a faction. They're getting screentime even if there's no reaction at all because people don't even know why they teamed up, but hey, there are women on this show!"
This WarGames had EVERYTHING to be one of the best considering the amount of star power, ongoing feuds, tension between members of the same team, a MITB briefcase holder, storylines that could go further and so much more. But they really ruined it by just making it a feel good moment for the faces, specially rhea's weird fans.
Story wise they did nothing with Iyo and Candice, Nia and her goons got along great when the story is that Candice wants to replace Tiffany, Naomi/Bianca/ Bayley conflict didn’t happen and Nia and Naomi could of had something because of their championship match having interfering
the problem is they only care about the Bloodline stuff. everything else is on the backseat. the women weren’t the only ones suffering from this, the other men’s matches did as well. it’s really hurting the product overall.
The moment Rhea removed the mask, it was over for Team Liv.
I agree , the women's war game should been put together a little better, The spot with Liv Morgan beating Rhea with a bat then Rhea become supergirl and act like nothing happen and the use of a toilet seat was a missed opportunity , So yes it was a let down !
Rhea's orbital bone injury hardly hindered her and she took off the mask pretty much burying Liv and Raquel's attack making it feel unimportant.
I just wasn't invested in wargames since the teams were so random. There was a lot of potential, but it didn't come together like last year.
The women's match was bad the men really carried the ppv. Big disappointment. No reason to hav rhea's team win, the other team were the champions. And it look like they r gonna drag the whole Rhea and liv BS longer!
bro how was it bad rhea littrally risked her body to get hit by a bat on her chest
@@Alfieleesonthere were other parts of the match that happened, and they were disappointing. That's how
the storyline is getting weirder tbh bcs why would liv scared with rhea? cuz her purpose of revenge tour is to take down rhea from the first place... Ik HHH like rhea but damn don't make all the Champs looking like shit! I don't hate rhea outside WWE but damn... atp let rhea win that title and let tiffany cash in on her so the story end up with them both didn't have the title.
Liv had to be stopped by security the night after Rhea had to relinquish her title but now Liv's terrified of Rhea's shadow. Makes no sense being small doesn't mean you have to be a cowardly heel. Liv's whole character arc is predicated upon wanting to hurt Rhea so why is she afraid of her now?
I want WWE to bring back the regular elimination tag matches and throw NXT in there too.
My favorite part of War Games was the press after where someone asked Iyo who she'd have in her corner against The Judgement Day, and she was just like "I'm in Damage Ctrl."
Who actually wanted this match? Nobody really wanted this match this year! There was no story to it! It was just done to have a major women’s match.
They made everyone on the heel team look weak there was no reason for the face team to win
I lowk miss the traditional survivor series tag match
16:15 i was so scared that iyo could’ve had a freak accident (like h@nging herself) and im pretty sure i was the only one
Iyo Sky is the MVP of War Games. Her jumping off the cage in the Trash Can is a highlight.
Rhea pinned Liv while Iyo is the number contender! I hope Iyo wins but with the rivalry between Liv and Rhea it most likely not gonna happen. And Candice is no longer undefeated at War Games. Damn!😅😅
Question: Is Candice still undefeated at Street Fight matches in WWE?
yes because she hasnt had a street fight since that nxt tag title one
@zenithofgod yes, I do remember now, the one against Mia and the other one when she and Indi won those NXT tag titles. I wish she had another one on the main roster against Bayley, Mia or Tiffany. After all, she and Tiff are having conflicts. A short program with Tiffany before Tiffany feud against Nia would be great.
Raquel Rodriguez also lost her WarGames undefeated streak
Rhea Ripley Pinning Liv Morgan Instead Of The GOAT Of Women's WarGames IYO Sky Who's The #1 Contender Shows That IYO Sky Unfortunately Is Not Winning The Title
Also Out Of All The Objects Under The Ring "A TOILET SEAT"
They don’t need a war games match every year. This goes for the men too. It makes the event less special. The match could have been a lot smoother if it was a traditional elimination match.
Justice for the “Good… Not Bad” reaction to stay 😂
I’m working on fazing it out 🤷
It was such a waste of time to have this match. They could’ve booked it so much better with the mistrust among the faces. The heels could’ve taken this win. Oh and the OP Rhea booking when Iyo is the top contender just makes no sense
Naomi and Bianca are my mood when i hear Iyos theme LMAO
One of my favorites ever!
I actually loved Liv bringing the bat because it felt like an homage to her extreme rules match against Ronda where she first introduced it.
disappointed in this review because we all know that this match SUCKED! the actual wrestling, the lack of storyline and the booking!
Kinda getting sick of everyone shitting on poor Raquel. She’s playing the hopeless bodyguard character. She isn’t supposed to be this big, defence character. She’s literally Lenny from of Mice and Men. So I think people need to cut her some slack rather than grill her for mishaps in the ring.
Nxt definitely should’ve gotten Wargames this year. Roxanne, Cora, Fallon, Jacy, Jaida vs. Giulia, Stephanie, Delta, Kehlani, Sol
This would have been so much better, I’m not gonna lie
If the Liv and Rhea storyline doesn't finally reveal them as former lesbian lovers who are getting back at each other then shut it down by Rumble.
I don’t mind team Rhea winning or even Liv taking the pin but I wish it could have been IYO who pins Liv instead. With that, they can actually focus on the No 1 contender and the champion, IYO vs Liv. Hopefully this leads to Rhea helping IYO win the women world title and they can focus on their boring fued without involving the championship.
Rhea helping Iyo makes Iyo look weak and nobody wants Rhea constantly involved with Liv.
It could have been easy:
1) Team Rhea win: Tiffany should have cashed in on either Nia or Liv, leaving the match, leaving her team at disadvantage and making them not looking that weak.
2) Team Liv wins: they could have revelead who attacked Jade and have jade attack her before the start of the match
Booking of both champions suck now.
Nia Jax is first woman to fight in a ring because she's too big to be inside a mini cage
Literally a match full of missed opportunities and wasted potential 😕
They all need to be sent back to NXT, absolutely abysmal performance
They made it about rhea vs Liv and Rhea is being booked like a monster despite Raquel, Bianca, and Jax being right there.
Rhea getting the Charlotte type booking at this point 😮
And I also LOVED the fact that Bayley had to walk to the ring to Rhea’s music and Nia had to walk to Liv’s music, that was awesome.
They always make liv look weaker and makes rhea looks more stronger like its not entertaining anymore they should make liv almost in the level of rheas power level to make their matches more intense and shocking
Nia Jax or Mariah May need to win wrestler of the year!
I thought that Tiffany was going to cash in her MITB, but she just teased us 😒
For the SECOND TIME TOO!!!
Triple is not as good as booking women😂😂
Gosh pushing Rhea like this will make people turn on her
This is exactly what I’m worried about too
I would love seeing Bayley I love her energy and personality
do not change your iiconics reaction meme
They completely missed the mark on furthering storylines for the women. If Liv Vs Rhea is not a HIAC match they can keep because of tired of them both. Jade storyline should’ve been teased whether backstage or in the match. I think the intercontinental championship is going to be won on the 1st netflix raw. We have all this new amazing talent but yet they continue to drop the ball when it comes to the women’s roster. This scares me for the midcard title’s. And if Liv was getting pin why not by Iyo instead of Rhea it was stupid and diminished Iyo number 1 contender ship. It’s sad I had high hopes for this match and it wasn’t the women’s fault smh.
DS: what did she do?
Paloma: she did the springboard into the chairs
DS: She missed it😂😂
The replayed angle looked better 😂
Raquel looked so cute yesterday 😍
she did 🥹
Livs fanbase is actually bigger than Rhea's. Rhea looks too over powered. 😒
Bayley used bianca's 2nd braid as a weapon at one point lol
What I wish would have happened was for Nia and Tiffany to have miscommunications during the match, making them angry at each other. The spot with Tiffy in doubt over which champion to cash in on while both Nia and Liv were down was great, so that would have still happened. At the end, IF they would have the face team win, have IYO pin a knocked out Liv and then have Tiffany try to cash in on Liv. Raquel was handcuffed to the ropes, so she couldn't help Liv in that moment. Only then Nia and Candice would ruin Tiffy's cash in, turning Tiffy face and starting their feud.
I hate that they make liv Morgan look weak and Rhea pin her
Candice has been wrestling for 22 years!
Bianca did use her braid. she handed her braid to Jade and they hit Nia together but it got lost in a brawl.
Bayley*
Iyo and Tiffany slayed. WarGames booking flopped. Also yeah, Iyo is number 1 contender. Rhea actually brought this up in the post WG interview. You'd never know with Raw though.
I fear WWE is doing the same with the women’s championship as they are doing with the women’s tag team championship. When was the last time Liv defended her championship?
Bad Blood in October, maybe?
I’m so disappointed with Nia’s booking, when she came back she was so dominant beating the big dogs without problem and since becoming champion she either loses or win thanks to shenanigans
As good as Nia has looked since she came back, this was her worst showing since coming back last year. Nia should NOT have started this match. She was blown out so fast and it hurt the match.
Personally Rhea should have stayed "injured" and let someone like Mia or maybe even Chelsea (It was super close to her hometown) have that spot, with Rhea returning AFTER the match. The booking leading into this match was messy, the match itself was super messy and overall it was pretty disappointing.
I can't stand Rhea Ripley 👋
Opportunity 😅
Actually Bianca used her braid on Candace and she used her braids simultaneously with Barley, Barley was using it on Rachel and Bianca on Nia. I thought that was cute but why was Bianca cool with Barley touching her hair?
Love Paloma’s Spice Girls shout out 😂
Haha I love the Spice Girls!
Naomi and beyler botched everything
I am soo annoyed that the phycology of this match/build was a crock of poo !
It’s becoming redundant, rhea comes in buries Liv and leaves , this has been happening over and over and over again , it came to a point Where it wouldn’t matter if they had a wrestle mania match , cuz why would there be any anticipation, when one buries the other over and over again, why would they need a seperate timelsot in wrestlemania, I wish they would’ve written this story in a way where Liv gets out of a match every time before rhea could get her hands on her, like AJ Lee did wheneve she defended her title, at least there would be some anticipation left for a grand stage
People didnt have the Championship lost problem when Shayna Baszler NXT Womens Champion lost in 2019. IYO SKY NXT Women's Champion lost in 2020. Mandy Rose NXT Women's Champion lost in 2021. Damage CTRL Womens Tag Team Champions lost in 2022. IYO SKY WWE Women's Champion lost in 2023...... literally every years Champions lost.😂😂😂😂
The 2019 wargames match also has had nxt uk women’s champion, Kay Lee Ray, on team heel alongside Shayna. And they still lost a 4v2.
@nycSnowman Exactly, but NOW that the blonde pretty american white girl lost is a problem???
@revolutiontoevolution3127 wait, isn't Mandy Rose a blonde pretty American white girl too? Lol you completely contradicted yourself 😂
Now you're just being weird with the blonde comment@@revolutiontoevolution3127
@@revolutiontoevolution3127 No clue what this has to do with race. Stop playing the race card and actually look how badly things are booked recently.
Could somebody please fill me in on what DS means with "the waterfall Spot" at 21:46 ? 🙏
A waterfall spot is when a bunch of wrestlers hit big moves one after another, building up the hype with each one!
Am I the only one who hates that survivor series and war games are one pay per view now?
I agree it was a fun match, but yeah definitely missed opportunities story wise for sure!
I think Rhea would have been the champion again by now, but they are holding off for the Netflix switch.
Disagree with the title. Yes there were some botches but Liv wacking everyone with that bat made up for it & that final sequence was fire. There's been a lot better Women's War Games matches but this one wasn't bad.
Iyo needs to win the tittle
You guys have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to wrestling psychology- Liv is *not* a credible physical force, in real life or kayfabe, to Rhea Ripley she just isn’t. Period. The only way the story works is if she’s a chicken shit heel who weasels her way into/out of everything. She literally won the title by cheating how do yall expect her to now be a “fighting dominant champion” gtfoh 🙄 be for real w yourselves. This is Liv Morgan we’re talking about here not Charlotte Flair or Bianca Belair- ppl who could believably go toe to toe w Rhea… Also, this idea that a champion should be infallible is weird. As for Iyo she’s already pinned Morgan which is why she’s the no. 1 contender. They will have their moment, Liv will defeat Iyo and move on! But the way ppl have turned on Rhea for being a fxckin star is nasty work. Same thing happened w Bianca when she was on top. Could you imagine ppl saying Austin was “overpowered, overpushed & overrated when he was on top?? Wow nasty work.
As far as Bayley goes she was in the position you speak of in last yrs War Games, no? She was a heel and the leader of her team. She went in first. Bayley always goes into these type of big matches first and/or goes the distance. She bumps for everyone and they needed her in this as a replacement for Jade bcuz they needed 😊a ring general. Clearly Bayley was coordinating a lot of this. She had her role and did what was required of her in this moment.
I would’ve definitely voted for Bianca Belair if she was nominated. I might go with Liv Morgan or Nia Jax. Hopefully Bianca gets pushed back into the singles scene and wins more championships.
I was focusing on Bayley being on good terms with Bianca and Iyo
So happy to see paloma 🥰
Happy to be here! 💚🌶️
As Rhea pinning liv again it's literally become the worst game instead of war games.
Unpopular opinion but Liv looks weak regardless because she just hasn’t ever been booked as dangerous. When you look at her team, she stands out as being the weakest imo like compare her time to Nia, Tiffany & Raquel….like…it’s hard to make her look credible even defeating Rhea.!
I think the order of entries was weird, but War Games match can become stale because is not pinfalls or submission in the first 20 something minutes so we know that no one is gonna win in that point and it just a spot fest after spot fest and if the wrestlers are not like super high flyers or brutal hardcore wrestlers using weapons the match goes meh😅😅😅
VERY underwhelming. By far the very bottom War games match for me
ronda needs to save this divisions real bad
Paloma said “the keep on edging us” 😂😂😂
Y'all left out the "No B-tch" from Nia to Naomi. 😂
😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Unpopular opinion, Nia should have beat Rhea.
That would be a popular opinion right now because I'm getting so sick and Tired of Rhea Ripley.
I am fine with booking Rhea as a very strong champion, but they were making her undefeated and it felt like nobody was ever going to win and it definitely got boring. Nia was the legit best choice to dethrone her but they did not want her to win. And we’re in the most boring fued with Liv and Rhea and the Tiffany Nia thing is also stale. I wish they would just let Nia stand on her own.
im really waiting for when fans in the crowd start booing rhea because of her booking since the iwc alr turned on her
Unfortunately most wrestling crowds are horny straight men and they won't be booing the human personification of the big tiddy goth gf who has a dominatrix gimmick.
Keep crying majority of the people love her and bianca so inferior wrestlers like liv deserves to lose
@sensoine Liv led the women's division in merchandise sales...
@ nobody was crying i literally just called out how fans are with wrestlers that are overpushed😭
@@zenithofgod faithless fool don't you know none may dare question the All-Mighty Goddess Super Rhea's omnipotence?
Great review as always
❤ u both.
Love you right back!💖
Love you girl! 💚🌶️