In my opinion, there is no way that you maintain a completely laid back wrist all the way to the point of contact if you want a heavy forehand. After the slot position and as you pull the racket forward, the racket head is accelerated and nearly catches up to the wrist at the point of contact. All you have to do is watch slow motion of Dimitrov's forehand for a perfect example of the "whipping" action just prior to contact with the ball. If i slow down your video to 1/4 speed, I can see you advance the racket head with some wrist action just prior to striking the ball. On the other hand, there is a danger of being too wristy as well, which might be what you are warning against.
@@ared18t ok maybe in your case it's more passive, but you are NOT maintaining the lagged wrist angle all the way to contact. In addition one does not have a perfectly vertical windshield wiper motion but rather one that extends both vertical and forward. The forward component is achieved by the wrist flexion just prior to striking the ball. In my opinion...
For anyone who really wants to know the details of a ATP PRO forehand: Google "wrist extension" and "wrist flexion" and "wrist pronation". You keep your "wrist extended" from the start of the stroke until you make contact with the ball. You still keep in extended position even after hitting the ball until you fully straighten your elbow. ONLY THEN you start to initiate the wrist flexion + pronation, until you finish your stroke. This will provide the spin. The wrist actually moves and goes from extension to flexion during the swing + pronation action too. If the wrist were to stay stationary the whole time, there would be barely any spin at all. Ohh and I almost forgot: You need "internal shoulder rotation" applied at the time you hit the ball. This is for spin too.
If you google wrist pronation you’ll see that the university professors will tell you that it’s the forearm that pronate. And at contact you will still have extended position BUT NOT the starting position ( 90 degree ) And you also don’t need to fully straighten your elbow to be aible to flexion ( Djokovic ) And yes you’ll have flexion pronation internal shoulder rotation in your swing Even only the flexion into contact is enough to create spin
@@zanido9073 Using "lol" makes you look 12 years old instantly. Maybe you are. With your logic, there would be no need for a follow-through either since in your view it does not influence the ball anymore. You could just stop the movement after hitting the ball. In reality it definitely matters what you do with your body even after the point of contact with the ball.
@@Stu49583 1) Internet has been around for 40+ years, get with the times 2) It's not "my view", it's basic physics. 3) That is correct, follow through does not impact the ball whatsoever. The only reason people talk about follow through is because it can mentally help you visualize your swing path better, and sometimes prevent injury 4) You could absolutely just stop the movement after hitting the ball. However this often takes more effort and can lead to injury. A tennis ball is in contact with your strings for about 5 milliseconds. The only thing that matters is a) racket inertia (which way is the racket traveling) b) racket angle c) where is the contact point on the strings (dead zone, sweet spot, etc) Anything after that point does absolutely nothing. I love how you're dying on the hill that somehow you can move a tennis ball while you're not touching it. Please upload a video of you using your jedi mind powers to play tennis without touching the ball.
@@Stu49583 You don't "need" follow through in the sense of it influencing the ball or not. The only reason follow through is good is because it is the consequence of allowing the racket to go where it would it you aren't actively applying force to stop it. It's simply more efficient and indicative of good "Technique". Where the technique does not interfere with the rackets path before the hit of the ball and therefore is more likely to not interfere with the path of the racket after hitting the ball. Many of the possible ways to mess up a follow through are actually to change the hitting portion of the shot, therefore why it should be commonly an area of suspicion. I can tell you what you said is incorrect though about "only then you start to initiate wrist flexion" pro players are not actively engaging their wrists pretty much what so ever in the entirety of their strokes. All the stuff their wrist does is as a consequence of the stroke it self. It's the stroke acting on the wrist, not the wrist acting on the stroke. Stroke > wrist.
I totally agree with you. There is no way that you maintain a completely laid back wrist all the way to the point of contact if you want a powerful forehand. After the slot position and as you pull the racket forward, the racket head is accelerated and nearly catches up to the wrist at the point of contact. All you have to do is watch slow motion of Dimitrov's forehand for a perfect example of the "whipping" action just prior to contact with the ball.
From what I've been seeing, a lot of players use their wrist a lot (Alcaraz, Berrettini, Zverev, Federer), while others (Ruud, most notable to me because he has the most topspin on tour) have a more laid back wrist.
sorry to say but if you think that the wrist stays in the same angle ( 90 degree ) in the lag or in the back going to contact in that angle , making contact in that angle and stays like that untill way after contact then i think you should revue you doctor title ** 1 question : if you make contact with your arm in a 45 degree angle ( i can show you 1000 of pictures from pro players in that angle ) then where will the ball go if that racket stays in that lag position or Lshape or laid back or 90 degree angle as you want to keep it ??? **
Yes the wrist in relation to racket handle should be at 90 degrees in general. Directional shot also depends on body orientation, chest moving toward target direction, plus several degrees on racket face
@@don9733 so with my body in the direction of target ( down the line ) my arm in a 45 degree angle and my wrist in that 90 degree angle I can play down the line ??
@@bmtspain6839 we dont particularly pay attention to our body orientation during the stroke, it happened naturally or muscle memory but the difference between straight shot, crossed court or down the line is very minimal. For example down the line shot, at loading phase whether closed or opened stance, in relation to your neutral position, open yourself several degrees to the right assume you are right hander, and swing that way. After contact you will find your chest opens up facing that way. The golden rule is shot goes where your chest points. Same with cross shot, open to the left 3-5 degrees, always maintained L shaped handle, it provided stable and clean contact. It all comes down to footwork and body orientation setup before the shot, it varying few degrees between all shots. Film yourself or look at the pros you will see how they setup
Google "wrist extension" and "wrist flexion" and "wrist pronation". You keep your "wrist extended" from the start of the stroke until you make contact with the ball. You still keep in extended position even after hitting the ball until you fully straighten your elbow. ONLY THEN you start to initiate the wrist flexion + pronation, until you finish your stroke. This will provide the spin. So you are correct, the wrist actually moves and goes from extension to flexion during the swing + pronation action too. If the wrist were to stay stationary the whole time, there would be barely any spin at all. Ohh and I almost forgot: You need "internal shoulder rotation" applied at the time you hit the ball. This is for spin too.
This was a great explanation... to complete, a racket path analysis from the side about the degree of down to up motion of the racket head determining spin would also be super helpful! Cheers!
Can I ask you what racket you are playing? I have noticed a black one in your previous video's, now I notice a red one. Curious about it. I doubt between a pro staff black edition or a prestige ... migth be wrong. I'm testing new rackets now, playing a ohbh as well. Tnx for sharing. Great video's, great technique by the way, keep on going!
Moratoglou says a lot of the power in the forehand comes from wrist action. Whipping the ball prior to contact. He even teaches that to students of all levels, as seen on his Shorts.
I had to go back to Moratoglu’s video. Now I think it was a misunderstanding and I almost got hurt yesterday trying to force more wrist action into my forehand. Wrist action just means relaxing the wrist and letting it follow the kinetic chain, as properly explained in this video.
Mouratoglous explanation is very broad and vague..also he starts to have a dodgy history and stains in his coaching career. I'd rather double check on all the infos he gives
No it isn't a wrist snap, but it is a radical waving motion, snapping your wrist doesn't do anything but make you hit the ball to your left or right. I have nearly perfected it on a semi western grip and the look is similar to Nadal. But you're right, a large amount of that motion comes from how you perform a takeback, and virtually all of the speed is generated from taking back above the strike zone and dropping the racket just a little below the strike zone before hitting. The result should look like a c-shape pattern from a side prospective.
You must angle the racket towards the opposite side of the court on take back to get the maximum wrist flick. The wrist flick should be like flicking a computer mouse, you are not flexing your wrist forward or backward, rather it is supposed to be like a waving motion. 1 more thing, the speed is generated with the takeback and biomechanics of the body. The topspin is generated with the wrist flick. I can literally curve and curl a ball even on hard hits.
what you say makes perfect sense, however, Patrick Montague has different opinion. He teaches a snappy wrist. Also, as I watch tennis channel in slo mo it looks like the wrist is not rigid.
Beginner and even intermediate players should not even be thinking what their wrist is doing. Their focus should be elsewhere - leg movement, unit turn and being ready for the ball. Wrist flexion is just a side effect of a proper kinetic chain execution
It's called wrist lag - no? The wrist pronates no matter what on the follow through! There are pros who indeed snap(pronate) their wrists more than others! They aren't robots!
Your wrist is actively flexing into the ball just like every good player, look at the video - you just don’t think about it anymore. If players would stop listening to coaches and start hitting easy using only wrist they would quickly understand the secret to the stroke. Only later does the movement become so ingrained and is so aided by the body that it feels passive. Teaching should start with the wrist.
watched ten of your videos , felt great, then I reach the court, and the same thing happens, all the forehands flying off the bat or into the net, just painful to be beaten by junk ballers
Not agree. You snapped your wrist at the beginning of the video. Other important thing : if you don't hit with a loose grip, no pressure, you will start having tennis elbow or golfer elbow, all the pro player snap the wrist ! The "jimmy connors / mc enroe / yannick noah" with stiff wrist is done!
It looks like they (pros) snap but they don’t. They supinate at contact, more like a radial rotation, not forwad movement, of the wrist. Only after the contact they loosen up on the wrist and it looks like a snapping action. If you look at slomos of most players, pay attention to their wrist right before the ball contact until right after, you’ll see the angle between their hand (the other side of the palm) and arm is still an obtuse angle. If they snap, that angle would be 180 degree or more. Basically if you snap, of flex, you won’t spin the ball.
@@tehatte i am open player and coach myself. Theres no way to hit a ball with a loose grip without snapping the wrist. All pro players use a low pression between 2 et 4 out of ten max. And plus You cannot hit a ball with a stiff wrist without having wrist or elbow injuries.
@@mikegolden2603 I didn’t say they hit with the stiff wrist. I agree they keep the low pressure, not completely loose at ball contact, but enough presure because they have to keep the wrist extended, not flexed. I don’t know what your definition of snap is, but to me it means flexing, wrist going forward. I took a snapshot from a slomo of Dimitrov FH right after ball contact and clearly his wrist was still extended, going upward, not forward, in the windshield wiper action. I can’t copy the picture here but you can do the same thing and see it for yourself. I think the coach in this video and I have the same perception of snapping, and that windshield wiper action is NOT snapping.
topspin is not the be all solution. You often times need to hit the ball more flat to inject some serious pace. On a rally ball, yes topspin is crucial but if you want to attack you're not going to hit a lot of winners with topspin
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very good, very rare instruction, and the most important. On 12 teachers I had only one was explaining this
terrific analysis...thank you...
In my opinion, there is no way that you maintain a completely laid back wrist all the way to the point of contact if you want a heavy forehand. After the slot position and as you pull the racket forward, the racket head is accelerated and nearly catches up to the wrist at the point of contact. All you have to do is watch slow motion of Dimitrov's forehand for a perfect example of the "whipping" action just prior to contact with the ball. If i slow down your video to 1/4 speed, I can see you advance the racket head with some wrist action just prior to striking the ball. On the other hand, there is a danger of being too wristy as well, which might be what you are warning against.
But that's a result of acceleration not from "Manipulating" it.
@@ared18t ok maybe in your case it's more passive, but you are NOT maintaining the lagged wrist angle all the way to contact. In addition one does not have a perfectly vertical windshield wiper motion but rather one that extends both vertical and forward. The forward component is achieved by the wrist flexion just prior to striking the ball. In my opinion...
Agreed. This wrist action happens in a split second
Tennis is a sport of a lifetime. This video will help keep the interest in a great sport of a lifetime.
For anyone who really wants to know the details of a ATP PRO forehand:
Google "wrist extension" and "wrist flexion" and "wrist pronation". You keep your "wrist extended" from the start of the stroke until you make contact with the ball. You still keep in extended position even after hitting the ball until you fully straighten your elbow. ONLY THEN you start to initiate the wrist flexion + pronation, until you finish your stroke. This will provide the spin. The wrist actually moves and goes from extension to flexion during the swing + pronation action too. If the wrist were to stay stationary the whole time, there would be barely any spin at all. Ohh and I almost forgot: You need "internal shoulder rotation" applied at the time you hit the ball. This is for spin too.
If you google wrist pronation you’ll see that the university professors will tell you that it’s the forearm that pronate.
And at contact you will still have extended position BUT NOT the starting position ( 90 degree )
And you also don’t need to fully straighten your elbow to be aible to flexion ( Djokovic )
And yes you’ll have flexion pronation internal shoulder rotation in your swing
Even only the flexion into contact is enough to create spin
You can't provide spin after you've hit the ball, lol.
@@zanido9073 Using "lol" makes you look 12 years old instantly. Maybe you are. With your logic, there would be no need for a follow-through either since in your view it does not influence the ball anymore. You could just stop the movement after hitting the ball. In reality it definitely matters what you do with your body even after the point of contact with the ball.
@@Stu49583 1) Internet has been around for 40+ years, get with the times
2) It's not "my view", it's basic physics.
3) That is correct, follow through does not impact the ball whatsoever. The only reason people talk about follow through is because it can mentally help you visualize your swing path better, and sometimes prevent injury
4) You could absolutely just stop the movement after hitting the ball. However this often takes more effort and can lead to injury.
A tennis ball is in contact with your strings for about 5 milliseconds. The only thing that matters is a) racket inertia (which way is the racket traveling) b) racket angle c) where is the contact point on the strings (dead zone, sweet spot, etc)
Anything after that point does absolutely nothing.
I love how you're dying on the hill that somehow you can move a tennis ball while you're not touching it. Please upload a video of you using your jedi mind powers to play tennis without touching the ball.
@@Stu49583 You don't "need" follow through in the sense of it influencing the ball or not. The only reason follow through is good is because it is the consequence of allowing the racket to go where it would it you aren't actively applying force to stop it. It's simply more efficient and indicative of good "Technique". Where the technique does not interfere with the rackets path before the hit of the ball and therefore is more likely to not interfere with the path of the racket after hitting the ball. Many of the possible ways to mess up a follow through are actually to change the hitting portion of the shot, therefore why it should be commonly an area of suspicion. I can tell you what you said is incorrect though about "only then you start to initiate wrist flexion" pro players are not actively engaging their wrists pretty much what so ever in the entirety of their strokes. All the stuff their wrist does is as a consequence of the stroke it self. It's the stroke acting on the wrist, not the wrist acting on the stroke. Stroke > wrist.
I listened to this advice for many years and it hampered my forehand. There’s absolutely a whipping wrist action on all atp forehands
I don't think you understood the advice honestly. The reason for that is because what you said does not contradict what he said.
You just have everything else wrong with forehand for sure..
I totally agree with you.
There is no way that you maintain a completely laid back wrist all the way to the point of contact if you want a powerful forehand. After the slot position and as you pull the racket forward, the racket head is accelerated and nearly catches up to the wrist at the point of contact. All you have to do is watch slow motion of Dimitrov's forehand for a perfect example of the "whipping" action just prior to contact with the ball.
Yeah but it's not the result of forcing your forehand to go forward
From what I've been seeing, a lot of players use their wrist a lot (Alcaraz, Berrettini, Zverev, Federer), while others (Ruud, most notable to me because he has the most topspin on tour) have a more laid back wrist.
I fully agree with his observations regarding the wrist ..
sorry to say but if you think that the wrist stays in the same angle ( 90 degree ) in the lag or in the back going to contact in that angle , making contact in that angle and stays like that untill way after contact then i think you should revue you doctor title ** 1 question : if you make contact with your arm in a 45 degree angle ( i can show you 1000 of pictures from pro players in that angle ) then where will the ball go if that racket stays in that lag position or Lshape or laid back or 90 degree angle as you want to keep it ??? **
Yes the wrist in relation to racket handle should be at 90 degrees in general. Directional shot also depends on body orientation, chest moving toward target direction, plus several degrees on racket face
@@don9733 so with my body in the direction of target ( down the line ) my arm in a 45 degree angle and my wrist in that 90 degree angle I can play down the line ??
@@bmtspain6839 we dont particularly pay attention to our body orientation during the stroke, it happened naturally or muscle memory but the difference between straight shot, crossed court or down the line is very minimal. For example down the line shot, at loading phase whether closed or opened stance, in relation to your neutral position, open yourself several degrees to the right assume you are right hander, and swing that way. After contact you will find your chest opens up facing that way. The golden rule is shot goes where your chest points. Same with cross shot, open to the left 3-5 degrees, always maintained L shaped handle, it provided stable and clean contact. It all comes down to footwork and body orientation setup before the shot, it varying few degrees between all shots. Film yourself or look at the pros you will see how they setup
Bro how do you all these? Are there any textbooks to get these valid information? How to get knowledge in tennis?
Google "wrist extension" and "wrist flexion" and "wrist pronation". You keep your "wrist extended" from the start of the stroke until you make contact with the ball. You still keep in extended position even after hitting the ball until you fully straighten your elbow. ONLY THEN you start to initiate the wrist flexion + pronation, until you finish your stroke. This will provide the spin. So you are correct, the wrist actually moves and goes from extension to flexion during the swing + pronation action too. If the wrist were to stay stationary the whole time, there would be barely any spin at all. Ohh and I almost forgot: You need "internal shoulder rotation" applied at the time you hit the ball. This is for spin too.
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This was a great explanation... to complete, a racket path analysis from the side about the degree of down to up motion of the racket head determining spin would also be super helpful! Cheers!
Can I ask you what racket you are playing? I have noticed a black one in your previous video's, now I notice a red one. Curious about it. I doubt between a pro staff black edition or a prestige ... migth be wrong. I'm testing new rackets now, playing a ohbh as well. Tnx for sharing. Great video's, great technique by the way, keep on going!
No. Confidential info. Sorry
Dunlop CX 200. 16x19.. probably 98" but could be the tour, although 95sq" isn't for everyone.
Moratoglou says a lot of the power in the forehand comes from wrist action. Whipping the ball prior to contact. He even teaches that to students of all levels, as seen on his Shorts.
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I had to go back to Moratoglu’s video. Now I think it was a misunderstanding and I almost got hurt yesterday trying to force more wrist action into my forehand.
Wrist action just means relaxing the wrist and letting it follow the kinetic chain, as properly explained in this video.
Mouratoglous explanation is very broad and vague..also he starts to have a dodgy history and stains in his coaching career. I'd rather double check on all the infos he gives
@@apotra20xx agree, Morutaglu (or whatever it is spelled) is a celebrity coach. He mostly lives off of clout. I would even say he is a charlatan.
@@mauricioventanas Then you're doing it wrong; nice and relax ... work with more mini tennis and you'll get the flow and the spin of things.
Really helpful 🎉
No it isn't a wrist snap, but it is a radical waving motion, snapping your wrist doesn't do anything but make you hit the ball to your left or right. I have nearly perfected it on a semi western grip and the look is similar to Nadal. But you're right, a large amount of that motion comes from how you perform a takeback, and virtually all of the speed is generated from taking back above the strike zone and dropping the racket just a little below the strike zone before hitting. The result should look like a c-shape pattern from a side prospective.
You must angle the racket towards the opposite side of the court on take back to get the maximum wrist flick. The wrist flick should be like flicking a computer mouse, you are not flexing your wrist forward or backward, rather it is supposed to be like a waving motion.
1 more thing, the speed is generated with the takeback and biomechanics of the body. The topspin is generated with the wrist flick. I can literally curve and curl a ball even on hard hits.
what you say makes perfect sense, however, Patrick Montague has different opinion. He teaches a snappy wrist. Also, as I watch tennis channel in slo mo it looks like the wrist is not rigid.
Beginner and even intermediate players should not even be thinking what their wrist is doing. Their focus should be elsewhere - leg movement, unit turn and being ready for the ball. Wrist flexion is just a side effect of a proper kinetic chain execution
I m agree..thanks
My coach says the racket goes first not the body?
Waste of money 😅
Wow everyone here is an expert 😂😂
not snaping you lose 1 movement in the chain!!! in the server you can get 20 mph more with snap......but i am not doctor of tennis lol!!!
It's called wrist lag - no? The wrist pronates no matter what on the follow through! There are pros who indeed snap(pronate) their wrists more than others! They aren't robots!
Your wrist is actively flexing into the ball just like every good player, look at the video - you just don’t think about it anymore. If players would stop listening to coaches and start hitting easy using only wrist they would quickly understand the secret to the stroke. Only later does the movement become so ingrained and is so aided by the body that it feels passive. Teaching should start with the wrist.
I’m going to stick with the loose wrist method taught to me by the former Captain of the US Davis Cup Team and World #8 player.
Where did this guy mention that you shouldn't be lose ? Maybe you should relisten
@@apotra20xx Maybe you should bud out.
? You OK?
watched ten of your videos , felt great, then I reach the court, and the same thing happens, all the forehands flying off the bat or into the net, just painful to be beaten by junk ballers
Fantastic at 1.25x speed
Not agree. You snapped your wrist at the beginning of the video. Other important thing : if you don't hit with a loose grip, no pressure, you will start having tennis elbow or golfer elbow, all the pro player snap the wrist ! The "jimmy connors / mc enroe / yannick noah" with stiff wrist is done!
It looks like they (pros) snap but they don’t. They supinate at contact, more like a radial rotation, not forwad movement, of the wrist. Only after the contact they loosen up on the wrist and it looks like a snapping action. If you look at slomos of most players, pay attention to their wrist right before the ball contact until right after, you’ll see the angle between their hand (the other side of the palm) and arm is still an obtuse angle. If they snap, that angle would be 180 degree or more. Basically if you snap, of flex, you won’t spin the ball.
@@tehatte i have a question for you ? How is the pressure on the grip of Dimitrov Fh, between 0 and 10 ?
@@mikegolden2603 How do I or anyone measure that? Did I say anything about pressure?
@@tehatte i am open player and coach myself. Theres no way to hit a ball with a loose grip without snapping the wrist. All pro players use a low pression between 2 et 4 out of ten max. And plus You cannot hit a ball with a stiff wrist without having wrist or elbow injuries.
@@mikegolden2603 I didn’t say they hit with the stiff wrist. I agree they keep the low pressure, not completely loose at ball contact, but enough presure because they have to keep the wrist extended, not flexed. I don’t know what your definition of snap is, but to me it means flexing, wrist going forward. I took a snapshot from a slomo of Dimitrov FH right after ball contact and clearly his wrist was still extended, going upward, not forward, in the windshield wiper action. I can’t copy the picture here but you can do the same thing and see it for yourself. I think the coach in this video and I have the same perception of snapping, and that windshield wiper action is NOT snapping.
Great lesson, as always. Looks like with a more extreme grip like Djokovic has, you could obtain more topspin.
topspin is not the be all solution. You often times need to hit the ball more flat to inject some serious pace. On a rally ball, yes topspin is crucial but if you want to attack you're not going to hit a lot of winners with topspin
Agree ... he's using the full Western Grip