I don't know why I suffered through all the idiotic ramblings... (Kent) oh, right - only so I could hear Destiny refute the BS with reasoned and logical thoughts and questions. This Destiny character appears to have his poop together. I would have bruises on my forehead were I the one debating this moron. (yes, Kent)
Using Kent's logic: The water in my backyard pool has warmed up from 69 degrees at 1pm to 70 degrees at 2pm. Therefore it has increased at a rate of one degree per hour and this proves that 100 hours ago the temperature of the water was -30 degrees.
@@elaboratusyes. They based their dates on recorded phenomena and pin the carbon-dating info to those events. And work backwards from there. Look into the start of radio carbon dating.
@@ImEnemy608 No, thats not how it works. The rate at which atoms decay is a universal constant. Our understanding of physics tells us this rate doesnt change, weve never observed that rate to change. Understanding that, we can know the age within specific degree of accuracy based on the specific ratio of isotopes is within an object. Its not working backwards like with the water. The rate at which water heats up however is not a constant. It varies based on the amount of energy put in, the amount of energy already in the system, what the surface to volume ratio is and a million other factors that directly impact that rate. Further, in this scenario you are working backwards based upon the rate recorded.
More specifically, the universe is 6000 years old because there was once a study published that explained why the inverse square equation (which by itself would date the moon to 1byo) doesn't account for the entirety of the moon's orbital mechanics. Oh, and because we've found some objects that are less than 6000 years old.
@Sean Charles dd/lg, to which you're referring, is essentially based around ageplay. Girls identify as little, or having a little side, in those relationships. They enjoy/feel safe having a 'little space'. It can be a non-sexual thing, sexual, or both. It's quite strange. As you mentioned guys can be similar, sometimes referred to as infantalism. As long as such a relationship is between two consenting adults, or two older adolescents, I don't really take issue with it. So long as you're not doing anything to promote actual adult-child relationships. The age of consent in Japan is 13 and we shouldn't ignore that. Rather than simply being ethnocentric, we must demonstrate why the age of consent should be everywhere what it is in our respective countries. I'm unsure whether you're referring to real children or drawings in the last part. If it's loli I am unconvinced. If you can demonstrate that loli encourages/influences minor attracted people into offending, which I'm not saying you couldn't, I could agree. In a vaccum I don't take issue with it, because the whole reason why we're bothered about child abuse is because children are hurt, and adults involved in those scenarios being 'disgusting' is a subjective value assessment most of us make that follows that. Someone can be 'disgusting' for looking at loli, but *if it doesn't harm or contribute to the harm of real children*, then I don't know that it carries moral weight. It would be quite difficult to snuff them out.
@Gabriel F Don't really follow your comment. Do you mean to say that Kent did give evidence for God's existence, but it was simply denied? If so, would you kindly furnish an example?
@Gabriel F at what point did he give evidence for a god? The only attempt I heard was (and I'm paraphrasing) "existence is too complicated for someone/something to not have built it." One that's extremely subjective. Two that is not evidence. That's the same as someone who know doesn't know shit about nature and saying "wow the tree is so complicated, someone must have made it."
Destiny is not a good guy to have this kind of debates. He got sucker punched with inverse square law despite the fact that hovind dissproved himself with it. Destiny lacks scientific accumen to really fight this kind of gotcha guys
I don’t think it matters how much scientific knowledge destiny has. What matters is how well he handles questions like this. He could be honest and say I don’t know enough about that to give you any real answer other than attempting to pick holes innit on the spot. Or he could have stopped the debate to look up the problem.
@@Sue_Me_Too how would you know that? The human mind came up with the concept of a god, not the universe. Simply asserting improbability is not evidence for any kind of deity, concerned with humanity or not. If there is no physical evidence of a god it is justified to not believe in any god. Lack of evidence is reason to not believe.
@@Sue_Me_Too So would you not agree that a perpetual motion machine doesn’t and will not exist? We test hypotheses to see if it is and haven’t found any evidence, so is it not logical to induct that it’s impossible? Lack of evidence is reason enough to not believe
@@Sue_Me_Too motion is relative, there is no such thing as true motion. On top of that, friction does not allow for perpetual motion, as, no matter what, something will always be resisting the motion of an object, be it atoms or gravity from other large masses. Therefore perpetual motion is not possible given what we know about the universe.
@@Sue_Me_Too This is wrong on so many levels. "Lack of evidence is also not a reason to believe there isn't a God." No, but that's a non sequitur in regards to what's been said, doesn't actually tell you anything actually. So it sure as hell doesn't support the belief that there is one. Which is enough to dismiss the hypothesis altogether. There is actually NOTHING in the entire universe that requires a God to work, so assuming there is one makes zero sense. "It's safer to assume that there is than it is to assume there isn't." Holy crap, where do I begin. I actually used to believe this when I was a kid and torn between christianity and my own disbelief at how ridiculous it seemed, but I'll paraphrase something Christopher Hitchens once said and that's that if God does exist, it's (to keep it genderless) the biggest tyrant to have ever been conceived by the conscious mind. It's constantly contradicting itself, expecting a species of animals that have evolved over millions of years to have developed a way of interpreting its wants and needs (independent of communication) in such a way as to avoid sinning. Honestly, if obeying a God that's going to hold a shotgun over my head and threatening hell whenever one reasonably goes against the archaic doctrines depicted in the bible is what's considered the "safer" choice, then that's not a choice at all. Send me to hell because I want nothing to do with that dictator. Also, false equivalence. Since in which case you should fear all Gods. Assuming one is true, without any evidence (which you yourself mentioned above) is... well, ignorant. If you want to be God fearing then fear all the Gods, but doing so would be (in most religions) blasphemous. So you really can't win either way. Most people on Earth, should God be revealed to be true and actually exist, whatever that means (and we're taking a huge leap of faith here), are going to hell. That's truly a loving father right there. You know what, I changed my mind. I'm joining a church. I just love the idea of a majority of the world going to hell for their beliefs or lack thereof and then claiming I'm the one that's preaching peacefulness and love. That sounds like fun. @Hovind, sign me up buddy.
fishsticks428 Yea, her bias is the same as mine, we both can’t stand intentional dishonesty by dodging questions! He knows when and where he’s being dishonest about the data. He’s a fucking conspiracy nutter, with a case of criminally insane brain.
That can work. For example, if you give very accurate prophecies or explain stuff scientifically accurate before humans were able to. But the Bible doesn't do that.
It’s that circular fuzzy logic that is the basis of all fundamentalist xtian arguments. And with that logic any leader or government can fully justify: slavery, eugenics, any other form of mass murder or crime on a massive scale. The worst IMHO is the indoctrination of their own children. What we are really talking about is a living organism... composed of generations of self spreading mental illness that has figuratively became alive. I am not the first guy to suggest this thesis. Psychology life in the form of any cult is fairly easy to understand if one possesses even an average IQ.
It’s sad cuz there is some holes in the theory of evolution that this guy could adress. Instead he just reads from the Bible. He can’t comprehend someone viewing life thru a different lense then his own
@@reeferrotrandy458 even sadder is that it is not his lens as your analogy (Pun Fully Intended) so aptly portrays, it is the one someone likely guilted/shamed/ instilled by fear into him when he was less than 5 years old. IMO all cults are evil waving a big “I’m good” flag. The most reprehensible are the ones that teach children to fear god and thus fear and hate themselves and the Great I Am that is in them. The Great I Am that most parents immediately begin tearing down after a soul is born.
01:31 Kent Hovind 03:14 Point of Order 04:15 The Age of the Earth Is There Evidence for a Youn... 06:04 How Old Is the Earth 11:18 The Age of the Earth 13:14 Five Minute Rebuttal 16:38 Jupiter and Saturn 23:38 Moon 23:50 Different Kinds of Tides on the Earth 24:08 The Inverse Square Law 28:33 The Earth Is Slowing Down in Its Spin 40:36 Carbon Dating 44:23 There Was Water above the Firmament 46:19 The History of the Geologic Column 48:59 The Lunar Recession Problem 54:58 Q&a 57:13 Does the Second Law of Thermodynamics Apply to… 57:26 Second Law of Thermodynamics 01:07:54 Could a Dog Eventually Grow Wings and Be Able T._ 01:11:34 The Sahara Desert 01:20:27 Population Growth Chart 01:20:44 United Nations Population Chart 01:24:22 Dinosaurs 01:25:12 About Dinosaurs and the Bible 01:30:20 How Do We Carbon Date a Freshly Killed Seal
My favorite meme "argument" in favor of a divine creator has got to be "this world is just too complicated". Like you people honestly think just because you, a mortal being, can't comprehend this vastness of the universe means a sky wizard had to come up with it?
Not to mention the argument that it's too complicated supports atheism lol, you'd think a being with all power would just make things super simple and basic to avoid confusion and lessen or completely prevent terrible things like diseases, unless his argument is that the devil also has put things on this Earth like bad germs and stuff lmao.
By Kent’s logic- the youngest coin on a shipwreck was minted 20 years ago, but the oldest was minted 6 billion years ago. Therefore the Earth is 20 years old.
Like,he's just speaking nonsense. Especially in the end,using that Christian delusion strawman about nice life and all that irrelevant things. I don't even know if he knows what "fairytale " means.
I watched this when it first aired and holy shit. This guy basically clings to one paper that was released by two guys and it doesn't even say what he wants it to say. It's two hours of this guy misrepresenting a paper and saying "if there is one issue with the consensus of 4.45 billion years, then obviously the earth is 6000 years old." Fucking kill me now
And that type of argument he is making isn't even scientific. For example, if there is one piece of evidence wildly out of sync with everything else then the scientific thing to do is to try to understand other circumstances that evidence might arise. The moon is moving away at a certain rate means that it would have been close less than a billion years ago. Ok how else could the moon have achieved its particular orbit in this way since everything else we know about the world says is 4.5 billion years old.
James Holy shit Kent Hovind’s coin in the box argument is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. The age of the coin is evidence that the Earth can’t be older than 6000 years? What is the correlation? It makes no sense. Lol
Destiny:”I find it strange that with the invention of smartphones sightings of the loch ness monster have significantly decreased.” Kent:”maybe it died.” Now this is the content I subbed for
"Currently it's 4.5 billion years, next week it'll be more, the time always goes up"... Yes Kent. Indeed you've done it. You've discovered that the age of the universe increases as more time passes. Congrats.
Yea guys! Doesn't he understands that the earth every year ages from 1year to a billion . Its like dogs years just this year might be 200mil next year 500mill you never know that's why i love evolution couse its like poker 😂🤣😅
@@karoliskarolis5514 Incredible. It's almost as if early science, before better instruments and understanding were available, was incapable of making accurate investigations into the Earth's age, and then as we get better and better tech and theory we acquire increasingly accurate assessments, with each successive improvement yielding a smaller and smaller modification to the previously held knowledge. Except, that would imply that science was getting ever closer to the correct age of the universe, in the range of billions of years...oops. In earliest stages of exploration into the age of the universe, the LOWEST scientific estimate for the age of the Earth was about 75,000 years old, based on a rather unreliable experiment based on making a small globe to simulate Earth and measuring it's rate of cooling. That still means that in 1779 science was pretty sure the Earth was much older than 6000 years old as claimed by Young Earth Creationists. By 1907, two independent studies, one based on the geology of the Earth's convective mantle and thin crust and one based on early radiometric dating, agreed that the Earth was likely billions of years old (John Perry in 1895, and Bertram B. Boltward in 1907). And in 1956, we got an estimate from Clair Cameron Patterson based on far more modern radiometric dating which showed that the age of the Earth was about 4.55 billion years old, with a 1.5% margin for error. And in the 64 years since then? We haven't strayed far from that estimate at all. Currently, the US National Park Service lists the best measure of the age of the Earth at about 4.6 billion years old. The most recent citation on the website is from 2001. So for at least 19 years, but almost certainly for at least 64 years, the age of the Earth has been unchanged and undisputed within science. In comparison, different Young Earth Creationist theories pit the age of the Earth within 6000 and 10,000 years old, leaving a whopping plus-or-minus 25% margin for error. Sounds to me more like the creationists are playing poker than the scientists. P.S. The age of the Earth has not been calculated based on discovered life or fossils in any way, and so the age of the Earth is not at all connected to the theory of evolution.
@@iandougherty215 One assumption is that the global levels of carbon 14 (also called radiocarbon) in the atmosphere has not changed over time. The other assumption is the corollary of the first; the biosphere has the same overall concentration of radiocarbon as the atmosphere due to equilibrium.noun a state in which opposing forces or influences are balanced. "the maintenance of social equilibrium" But carbon-14 dating won't work on dinosaur bones. The half-life of carbon-14 is only 5,730 years, so carbon-14 dating is only effective on samples that are less than 50,000 years old. ... To determine the ages of these specimens, scientists need an isotope with a very long half-life.When scientists (specifically, Ralph Keeling's father) first started measuring atmospheric CO2 consistently in 1958, at the pristine Mauna Loa mountaintop observatory in Hawaii, the CO2 level stood at 316 parts per million (ppm). Mar 2, 2016 · Atmospheric carbon-14 measurements reveal natural production rate by cosmic rays. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory researchers have measured the carbon-14 isotope (14C) produced by cosmic rays in the stratosphere and found its production rate is less than most previous estimates. The first geologic time scale that included absolute dates was published in 1913 by the British geologist Arthur Holmes. He greatly furthered the newly created discipline of geochronology and published the world-renowned book The Age of the Earth in which he estimated Earth's age to be at least 1.6 billion years.In 1946, Willard Libby proposed an innovative method for dating organic materials by measuring their content of carbon-14, a newly discovered radioactive isotope of carbon. Known as radiocarbon dating, this method provides objective age estimates for carbon-based objects that originated from living organisms. Relative dating is used to determine a fossils approximate age by comparing it to similar rocks and fossils of known ages. Absolute dating is used to determine a precise age of a fossil by using radiometric dating to measure the decay of isotopes, either within the fossil or more often the rocks associated with it. Relative time ("chronostratic") -- subdivisions of the Earth's geology in a specific order based upon relative age relationships (most commonly, vertical/stratigraphic position). ... These subdivisions are given names, most of which can be recognized globally, usually on the basis of fossils. Your theory is a widely accepted hoax. the·o·ry /ˈTHirē/ noun a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained. "Darwin's theory of evolution"
He desperately wishes the bible were true so he can avoid death. I think that this is a major subconscious motivation for most theists: they just don't want to accept that death is almost certainly the end. They are willing to believe nonsense as long as they get an afterlife.
@Michael Whitewolf dude just say mood or culture stop trying to use obscure words you come across as pretentious. And not really the only evidence is a book written by man in its naivety that contradicts itself multiple times about God the most evil being in existence. Zero credibility! You say most of us can't do the tests etc anyone can you think scientists hide their methods? If that was true no scientist would have credibility but they do just because you can't be bothered to learn the methods/not intelligent enough whatever the reason that's on you
@Michael Whitewolf ps. Incase you ask how God is the most evil being. According to monotheism God created everything in that case he created all the evils the diseases, Satan, war, old age, murderers, rapists etc all created by God all created to be what they are! God the most evil fictional being in existence Edit. I forgot to mention his demands of worship or eternal pain and torture! The Bible like the torah and Koran was written to subjugate mankind
@Michael Whitewolf right I don't really care you haven't made any points to be valid in the 1st place use whatever words you wish I'm well educated I was schooled in England not dumb fuck alabama tech whatever you call it and in most cases theories need to be backed up yet not 1 shred of any evidence for it therefore completely unprovable. But the evidence against it is way too high to ignore I don't list to other points I make my own BOY!
15:22 "where are the stars forming? Nobody's even got a good theory on how a star can form" 15:47 "the Bible claims that god made all the stars. I can't prove that, but that's what I believe" his whole argument in a nutshell
At first Kent said it on scientific reasoning. Kent believes that God created the universe including stars. So his stand is clear. But science can't explain how stars created
@@Trickey2413 Modern science in lagre is about money And influence. Kent makes The only valid points. Population growth is a far stronger argument than what Many thinks
@@Trickey2413 Science cant Even disprove a 2000 year old book With any good evidence, And still people are made to have faith in something that changes dramaticly every 5 years or so. Tomorrow The universe 10 billion years. Next week maybe Its 50. Who knows
@AllGTG It hasn't changed because he refuses to acknowledge anything that may refute his absurd point of view. My stance on the morality of dropkicking babies hasn't changed so I must be right, regardless of stance. He was all over the place in terms of classification and scientific "research". For example, Destiny brought up how the moon may have had a starting angular velocity that would allow it escape a stronger gravitational pull, thus rendering the square cube law argument irrelevant. Instead of tackling the proposal he just assumes it to be true, referencing the Bible. I could reference myself on the moral validity of dropkicking babies and that wouldn't be accepted in court. He showed a blatant misunderstanding of the scientific method and even basic highschool pysichs he supposedly taught for years. His entire argument can be summarized as lets take X false premise and derive Y false conclusion from it. Destiny's mistake was trying to argue theoreticals under those premises.
AllGTG Holy shit you’re stupid, I feel really bad for you. You literally proved his point for him by refusing to read any of his comment past the dropkicking babies part. rofl
I went to a Christian school and during my 8th grade year we studied apologetics. We watched Kent a few times; there were somethings that made sense, but everything else was a disgusting misuse of logic. You cannot site the thing you’re debating the validity over.
P00NM45T3RFL3XXX no offense, but you’re really forcing that vocabulary. That “doubtful” stuff. Idk you and it’s obvious that it doesn’t fit you. You don’t have to change the way you speak to be intelligent.. cause it’s kinda cringe. Makes you look like a robot dude lol
@@gymunit1 Coin analogy was wrong since you have to set a bound on the age of the Earth by the _oldest_ coin, not the _newest_ . The creationist is the dumb one here.
@@gymunit1 The newest coin suggests the ship couldn't have sank before that date... But the oldest coin suggests that there were coins minted at least back at that date. So, a rock containing newly formed materials could mean the rock itself is recently formed. But may also contain older materials that suggest the rock was formed by some older stuff that had to exist to be part of this rock... The analogy would support taking the oldest materials in order to the date the Earth and the universe.
That's the thing he only teaches kids that unfortunately have parents with the same beliefs and probably attend his church not to mention the 10 year prison sentence for I believe tax fraud
What’s funny is that about three years after this debate, scientists discovered that the moon is likely actually 40 million years older than they previously expected and most scientists already believed it to be billions of years old.
*I dont wanna be the bearer of bad news to Kent but has no one told him we have recorded history of Empires and civilisations that are OLDER than he thinks the earth is??*
Nah, I don't think there is any known writing before 3000 BC (just some proto-writing). This is why Destiny brought up cave paintings. If you want to go back farther than that, you need archaeological evidence.
@@Thedamped So your telling me the Chinese didnt have writing and an Empire going back long before that? lol I think you should check again sir!!! th-cam.com/video/fFNzX3tYTXU/w-d-xo.html We also know of much older civilisations that are mentioned and documented in Chinese history not to mention archaeological evidence. . . even in Celtic lands there are ancient languages written in stone...then there's places like Stone Henge and the pyramids which arent as old the Chinese history if I remember correctly but yeah it all goes back about 10,000 years at least and is all well documented
@MrRABC1 Hey, I'm not sure where the misunderstanding is. If you watch the video you linked, at 1:05 they talk about when the Chinese came into the Bronze age and begin writing. They list the dynasty as 1600-1050 BC. The Wiki lists Chinese writing dating back to around 1200 BC, which would seem to agree with your video. Writing in the Middle East is much older at around 3000 BC. The oldest writing in Europe I believe is usually thought to be Linear B in Greece which is also much younger than writing in the Middle East. Around 1400 BC. They don't get writing North of that for even longer. Stonehenge (3000 BC) and the Giza pyramids (2500 BC) are still less than 6,000 years old. The problem you are running into is that 6,000 years ago places most of the world into the Neolithic which is before writing developed (considered an important trait of the Bronze Age). Without writing you can't have recorded history. But anatomically modern humans have been around for much longer than that. For instance, the oldest known permanent settlement is dated at 25,000 years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doln%C3%AD_V%C4%9Bstonice Just no recorded history going back that far.
@@Thedamped Then I stand corrected when it comes to actual writing being invented but as you yourself just stated we have knowledge of civilisations going back tens of thousands of years which far exceeds the time length Kent would assert.... I mean just for coal to form or for any of the geological processes we know of to happen takes millions of years I mean the elements we have discovered can only be formed in the super-nova of exploding stars. . . .the things he believes are just crayon eatingly stupid!!!!
@@MrRABC1 Yeah, no Kent was wrong about almost everything he said about science. And sorry if it feels like I was being pedantic. I just feel like it's important when we argue with science deniers that we have our facts straight. Sometimes impressionable people are listening.
@@erichathaway4783 "Hovind, along with his alma mater, Patriot Bible University, has consistently refused to allow his dissertation to be offered for public reprint or scholarly inquiry." Sounds promising, and Patriot University is a diploma mill.
This biggest issue with Kent's boat analogy is the question, we aren't asking when the boat sank but when the boat was originally build. Assuming none of the coins are also than the boat itself, (as most things we use to find Earth's age aren't older than earth itself) then you would go by the oldest coin
Not that I agree with him, but i think he was trying to use the fact that he thought the moon could be no older than 1 billion to say that the earth would be 1 billion and then he was gonna say more stuff that "limits" the earth's age and that's how he was gonna use the analogy. Still doesn't make sense though.
When I was 7, I was 3'10" tall. When I was 17, I was 5'10" tall. That means I grow at 24 inches per decade. I am now 57. So while I may appear to be 5'11" tall, logically I am 13’ 10" tall (thanks, Carlos!) You cannot argue with that. Eat your heart out, Robert Pershing Wadlow! Excuse me, I'm off to ring the Guinness Book of Records.
Obviously being calm in an argument doesn’t make you right, but watching Destiny calmly pick apart his moon argument that he’s been stuck on while he sits in the back ground obviously annoyed with an awkward smile on his face was so satisfying.
I don't believe Jesus is lying, I believe he is being lied about. If he existed, he was a Jewish Buddhist with a few basic truths...treat others the way you want to be treated and stoning a woman to death for adultery when you've got two side-chicks (as one does) is stupid.
Troy Evitt Yeah, because Buddhism was really big in Palestine 2000 years ago...Not! Jesus was most certainly a apocryphal rabbi who thought that the end of the world was imminent and that he was the “Son of Man” prophesied in the Old Testament.
kinda funny reading this comment, because when i was little, my extremely far right abusive father made my brother and i watch kent hovind’s creation seminars and that is one of the main reasons why we both now are atheists. people like him really do damage lol
He's been involved in far worse than that. Not convicted, but he knowingly shelters pedophiles at his theme park, has that at least one kid go missing and another died there. Kent went on the record to say something along the lines of "But other than that the family had a wonderful time and are looking forward to coming back again!" There's a clip of him saying that if they're so upset about their kid dying they can just make another one also. He uses his "I've been in three hundred debates!" (and lost them all) lines to advertise his compound. I'm fairly sure that YT shut down his channel because of that, though that's honestly only a guess. It went offline shortly after the "This guy uses TH-cam to advertise his highly suspect cult to children" was pointed out, but he's had his channel frozen at least once before this. As fun as it is to see him fail hard, he's actually quite dangerous to the people that follow him.
@@steventhompson399 I found just yesterday he's back on TH-cam on someone else's channel and is saying the same BS again and advertising his "theme park" again. Circumventing a ban. Not great. Hoping YT staff whack that on the head again. Using YT to advertise that place is not something Google should want to have happen. Imagine the fallout if another kid dies.
@@heavenlysadness That's the point, he's constructed his intro to stick in your head after the debate. While Kent spews a lot of bullshit, he's a wonderful bullshit artist, a real confidence artist.
@@ToxicAudri This is the same bullshit argument people use about Trump. It's not talent, they're just stupid enough to make other stupid people relate to them. Nothing he's saying sounds remotely convincing. It's memorable because of how ridiculous it is, which isn't a good thing by any decent measure.
You are wrong. Slavery exists today as well. 90% of the people are not free. You work, have some spare time, sleep, and go to work again. Nowadays you have a car so you can work more, since you don't have to walk to work. 50% of your money is taken away immediately through tax, you pay rent and have a bit left for clothes and media(for you to be brainwashed to believe you are free).
@trollnerd You belong to the system now. What happens if you dont pay taxes? The US is not the only country in the world. But you are brainwashed to believe you are free, that makes you a great servant.
@@brilliantbeaches5389 Clearly you never experienced anything even remotely similar to slavery or you would not spew this bullshit. Nobody ever said that governments are saints who never exploit their people, there are a lot of dark things in this world. And even the "wealthy west" is not even close to being free from corruption, but that is how humanity always operated ever since we had a proper civilization. It is something we must strive to change, will it work or not only the future knows. But you have to be really ignorant to believe a modern person living in a semi sensible country is somehow a slave. Yes, you do have to work. Guess why? Because if you don't, society (which also provides you with the food, water, healthcare and other things you need to survive by the way, and I didn't see you complaining about that, I wonder why?) will collapse, causing you to die along with it.
@@tomasboy999 So you're saying you have experienced slavery? What's that argument with food and water? Slaves back then didn't receive food and water? How can they work if they can't eat and drink water? What's wrong with you bro?
Well, in case you stillwanted to know, he got his masters and phD (In Christian Education, no less) from an unaccredited school called "Patriot Bible University".
I'll summarize all of Kent's points in 3 sentences: "There's a paper written by a few scientists that disagrees with the consensus of every other reputable scientist that has studied orbital mechanics. Also I don't like radiocarbon dating because it's weird. Read the Bible."
@@boopdeeb9444 pulled this from wikipedia so Hovind was arrested in Alabama on July 30, 2021, for throwing his estranged wife, Cindi Lincoln, to the ground in August 2020. Additionally, she petitioned for a protective order in Conecuh County, Alabama, saying that she had to go to the emergency room after being "bodyslammed".. She has also stated that she had been threatened by one of Hovind's associates.[185][186][187] Hovind was tried on September 20 and found guilty of domestic violence.
"I taught and science and math for 15 years" was somehow relevant to the topic but being asked what his thesis was for his phd somehow was not lol. What a clown.
"take the pacifier away from the baby" "they're gonna cry like babies if you take the time away" "they like to imagine like spongebob..." This guy opened the debate saying he didn't want to pick fights. Those are some passive aggressive fighting words
That's what I was thinking. Passive aggressive is a coward's way to sling insults in order to claim innocence and the moral high ground when called on it. Respect to Destiny for not taking the obvious bait.
The whole debate summed up: This happened. No it didn't. Yes. How can you know? Yes But it doesn't make sense. Yes it does. I am so confused. You should reconsider your position. ...
@@averywealthyman4194 I assume you dont have a kid. Did you know they lose their baby teeth as their skull gets bigger? How does nature plan ahead for things like that?
@RadioTSM {Operator Teddy Timis} oh I see. If one sees design, one just calls it the illusion of design in order to not consider the possibility of a designer.
@@averywealthyman4194 you write off the obviously designed systems as the "illusion of design". Your high priest scientists have all the answers that you repeat without question. Instead of saying you are not sure or do not know, you accept the unproven and just tell yourself your science hasn't fully explained it yet.
@RadioTSM {Operator Teddy Timis} Sounds like your hatred of God and or religion has clouded your ability to see all the options on how we might have gotten here. Actually a designer doesn't have to be God, it could be aliens or a simulation or many other possibilities so you referencing the bible does nothing to prove 1. evolution has real problems with credible evidence 2. that living systems appear to be designed.
I am surprized steve didn't just tell him at the beginning: well the "only one argument is enough" works both ways, if we find one argument that earth is older than 6000, than you are wrong.
@@anonymous3174 Basically all of Genesis 8. Genesis 8:4 says "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat." but the next sentence, Genesis 8:5 says the mountains weren't even visible until the 10th month- "And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen." Genesis 8:13 says that "in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth" but Genesis 8:14 says it wasn't until "the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried."
I read it one time, as the Coran or the Torah, and in each of these fairy tales books, you can find many, many, many mistakes (historics, scientifics, etc, etc...) they are only fairy tales books written by people 2000 years ago (who know nothing) , books who are now still dramatically believed by credulous or just dumb people. But let's go, still believe in your 2000 years ago Harry Potter.... Sorry for my poor English, it is not my mother tongue.
@@anonymous3174so when Noah’s ark was created and the flood happened did it cover all the land on earth. I would also like to point out that the tallest point on earth is over 29,000 feet which means in 40 days and nights it would need to rain 340 inches an hour. I don’t think that would make sense.
It's absolute pathetic he is being explicitly derogatory with his over simplistic and absolutely patronisingly stupid straw man. Nobody and I mean nobody is arguing that a frog evolved into a human
ichew gum My apologies, but you are absolutely incorrect. Evolution, while stating that most things *PROBABLY* have a common ancestor, the theory has never stated that that ancestor is a rock.
@ichew gum alright first of all, NOWHERE does the theory of evolution EVER state ANYTHING at all about the origins of life and the universe. second of all, we DID NOT come from rocks. in the early earth, ROCK was not the only stuff that was there to begin with. there was ROCK, METAL, and GAS, NOT JUST ROCK. so when you go and say "EvoLUTionIStS SaY We CaME frOM rOcKs thO!" you're making a massive, massive misrepresentation of what the theory is all about, because nothing is stated about the origin of life or the universe OR THE EARTH, for that matter, and even then, you completely miss the mark on the composition of the early earth in your ham-fisted attempt to "DISPROOVE EVOLUSHUN" with irrational and anti-scientific rhetoric and broken logic.
@saber One believes studies and readings verified by multiple different sources and generally understood in the scientific field by 1000's of people, the other believes what was written in a 2,000 year old book which also justifies slavery and substantiates it's claims with nothing other than the book itself.
@saber I don't know what you mean by consensus meaning nothing, but science provides theories that can be reproduced and re-proven by anyone who understands the methods and how to analyse the results. Therefore science isn't based in faith because you can, for yourself, verify facts stated by scientists if you wish to do so. The bible, however, requires that you undeniably believe everything stated without being able to confirm it yourself in any way other than reading said bible, which is essentially a cyclical argument and leads no where. My point about slavery was that if you're going to point to the bible in reference to certain proofs, I'll reference it to point out incorrect things in it in order to 'disprove' it. Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ” literally telling slaves to be obedient to their masters, which is written in the same book you say should have every word taken literally and not questioned. So I ask, do you think slaves should be obedient to their masters and fear them? The use of slavery in Africa and Asia is a result of the lack of law enforcement or regulations put in place by their governments, and I'm not going to argue if one religion is better than any other because I don't believe in any of them.
@saber Yeah, except now is the only time in history when religion has been separated from state and governance - every other time in history, which you admit was worse than it is now, religion was essentially doctrine and the state was ruled by religion. The most wars fought in recorded history and most deaths in recorded history were due to unbridled faith in religion, by far the MOST ruthless of which being Christianity.
@saber Ok, please explain how 'evolution' has caused anything within the past 100 years lmao. I don't think you even know what evolution is based on what you just said. Could you also explain how Christians made the world better? Christians actively suppressed scientific progress, saying it was 'defying god', sentencing people like Galileo to life in prison for his Heresy. The people killed by Hitler in the holocaust and the people who died in both world wars is incomparable to the number of people who have died to inquisitions and wars ordered by the catholic church.
Shannon was the best moderator on one of these debates thus far. By a mile, too. One of the other moderators on here, during a particularly unproductive flat earth debate, actually said it _wasn't his job_ to moderate if the participants wanted to have a "dumpster fire" of repetition and talking over each other -- and that's what they had... for hours. This one was refreshingly spot-on, which is surprising considered Kent was involved.
Noticed how she went back to a really good point, rephrased it, and presented it to Kent? But then the other moderator basically said it was too confrontational, even though it was just a fair “hard reporter question”.
@@Cuptial-ev9tb i get where James was coming from with wanting to maintain the appearance of neutrality. But yeah, she put kent in the hot seat for sure
Incorrect. At one point she attacked Ken unprovoked. Completely unprofessional/ she acted like a volatile emotional female. Another read why women shouldn’t be in positions of power and leadership over men. They simply can’t handle it.
In christian god. Believing in existence of a supreme intelligence is one thing but that is not what hovind believes. He believes in a particular creator from particular mythology who for some reason is really obsessed with blood.
@@kellyrankin8844 It is a thing that cannot really be disproven. Like brain in the jar thought experiment. If someone believed it ( or entertain it as a possibility) it is very different to belief in a particular maker.
@@lukelagopus check the scouter again! Vegeta: it is OVER 6000!! Kent: Actually scouters were proved to be wrong before so you really cannot rely on them to measure power levels.
someone should talk to him about the California ground squirrel and the pacific rattlesnake snice they are in an evolutionary arms race. the squirrel is get more resistant to the snake venom and the snake is getting more potent venom
Props to you destiny for not resulting to the fallacies of ad hominem or appeal to popularity. You're the first I have seen to debate Kent Honvind and not do so. Good job man on letting the truth do the talking as opposed to your emotion.
I agree but to a certain point you need to do so with a guy like this. He’s a felon for tax fraud, a kid has drowned at his little adventure land bs, he has had multiple illegal marriages, and one of them he was convicted of domestic violence and went to jail. Not to mention that there is a recording of him possibly physically abusing and berating one of those wives. You can debate the facts all you want with someone like Kent, but at the end of the day he is putting forth pseudoscience and is overall a pos person.
Reading around that he homeschooled religious kids and basically uses that to call himself a teacher even though he has no actually qualifications or formal education for teaching
Kent is lying about working as a high school science teacher for 15 years. He actually taught private classes run in the back of churches for less than 11 years total.
What’s funny is seeing this as proof nothing he says is relevant. A lot of credible atheists are frauds rapists murderers. Etc that dosent make what they said less credible. It just makes them as a person less respected and very very messed up.
@@jiriangills5867 Jirian..Have no idea what you wrote. Read more books and also study English! It's simple...like your brain! Checkmate. U lose..I win again!
@@davewilliams5102 those book of school/NASA(television)the big bang that youve been thought what else ? All those bs talk about 'space' that you believe is what i allready know...nothing new but more bs..... Im beyond mr.William en probeer mijn taal eens 😉
But most people don't see Antarctica as a desert. They think a desert is supposed to be a Barren Wasteland that's hot as hell. They don't understand that a desert is essentially a landmass that contains little to no life and isn't inherently suited for life.
@@cosmicfang1864 Well the Sahara contains a decent amount of life, which proves the argument of evolution even more because species couldn't live there if they didn't evolve.
On the age of the earth looking at the movement of the moon I dont necessarily agree with Hovind on some of his arguments but I think his opponents have no idea what the inverse square law implies. Recall Gravity F= G m1 x m2/r2 such that the force is inversely proportional to the square of the distance apart.. When a body such as a satellite falls to earth, it accelerates. The time taken to fall the 2nd half of the distance will be much much shorter than the 1st. Conversely that force decreases as the distance between two bodies increases (deceleration) hence the earth's gravitational pull on the moon is less the further away it gets. Ergo, one would deduce that its movement is slowing as the rate decreases. There may be several other factors, but I think the point is valid that rate of separation is slowing exponentially as the gravitational force decreases. Hovind's point that the moon could have been far closer to earth less than a billion years ago which would have had devastating affect on climate such as tide levels and other extreme weather events.
A desert is not defined by the temperature or the number of life there. In general, an area is defined as a desert by the annual amount of rain an area get
Luke 12:20-21 (KJV) But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.
Holy cow, when Destiny dropped the bomb that the thing that Kent kept going on about for the entire video was a misrepresentation of their paper I nearly died lol.
People like him are a danger to society and partly the reason we got braindead kids in adult bodies denying basic science like covid. Imagine trying to explain dinosaurs, the formation of the earth or anything that requires more than 10 braincells to these people
This debate was strangely nostalgic. Since I used to watch things like this during the height of TH-cam atheism back in the day, I haven’t heard these insane talking points coming from Kent Hovind in a long while. It’s like my adolescent brain crept back up as soon as the 2:nd law of thermodynamics was mentioned and I couldn’t help but smile reminiscing of a wierd time in TH-cam history.
it's just a shame that Destiny didn't know the science details that debunk Kent's points instantly. I'm watching it for the first time and I expected a massacre but oh well.
His talking points drives me up a fucking wall cause Astrophysics is my field of interest next to Computer Science. His complete lack of understanding of simple astrophysics is both laughable and infuriating due to how he twists it to fit his own worldview. He NEEDS humans to be special inherently, he NEEDS there to be life after death, it's at the core an emotional argument. Christians fear the void the most.
@Max Hines It's a statement that requires the viewer/listener to take into account the speaker and their credibility. If the speaker is willing to lie (tax evasion) for the benefit of the wallet, where else should their credibility be questioned? If a Christian is taking their morality from the Ultimate Source, we should expect them to follow the laws of the land. Ad hominems aren't necessarily a fallacy.
When he said that there are two ways to answer the question about how old is the Earth and then said there is a Biblical answer and a scientific one, that just says to me that there’s only one way to actually answer the question.
Kent: The moon is 1 billion years old therefore your argument is incorrect. Also Kent: The Earth is 6000 years old because the bible says so. Me: ???????? Kent: Because inverse square law.
I feel like Destiny and the questioners kept getting mixed up on that. His argument wasnt that the moon was a billion years old. It was that the moon had to be less than a billion years old. Basically, he was saying that concept made more sense in a 6000 year old earth scenario than a scenario that's billions of years old.
ya and if it's already yeeting away from the earth and the force tying it to the earth has an inverse square relationship with the earth, and the force tying it to the earth is getting weaker, that means it must be slowing down, yahtzee - Yeetsus
the sun is 4.6 billions years old they usually supernova about 5 billion or become a dwarf star so earth will die at some point. with no sun goodbye earth but i still think humans will do that well before.
I agree, Hovind needs to take some critical thinking courses. It's painful hearing his poorly reasoned arguments over and over again. Also, great math on that steak dinner bet dr. dino....spend $500 to do a lab test and win a $75 steak dinner....
Kent Hovin logic: "So this makes it impossible for creation to be older than 6,000 years...." - Proceeds to point at a galaxy that took the light from there tens of millions of years to reach us 😂
Yeah, considering people with a PhD sink so many years of work into their thesis... I'm guessing you would be proud to show it off. But, I guess that wasn't relevant to the conversation? Lol.
He has no teaching certifications and no legitimate degrees. He claims a PhD from a diploma mill with zero faculty that was run out of a single wide trailer though.
throwaway account The Dunning-Kruger effect just says that uninformed people will think they know more than they do. Not that they will be condescending.
@Michael Whitewolf yeah no, it means that one does not have the belief in a god. It does not necessarily mean that one has there are no gods. So better get that fact straight, cuz they are not the same position. And if a god was to exist then he would indeed be able to be tested, since it would be part of the observable universe as well.
This debate was literally just the Hovind show. He made huge claims and rambled on and nothing happens. I would be so frustrated to debate against this "kind" of human
Kent Hovind: "evolution is a fairy tale made up for grown ups" Also Kent Hovind: "Dinosaurs are immortal and they never stopped growing, we lived with them on the earth. An Apatosaurus might live in the Amazon and they all just so happened to die when smartphones were invented......"
Fun Fact: The apatosaurus thing is mokele-mbemebe, a congolese legend that in 2001, a group of Bayaka pygmies were shown a book of illustrated animal life and they identified mokele-mbemebe as a rhino
I love destiny’s ability to construct arguments off of non-sequiturs. He even creates an argument FOR his opponent, which usually goes over their head.
I'm not sure how much Destiny was doing it in this era, but one of my favorite things about Destiny is he likes to steelman his opponent's argument (that is, the strongest version of their argument possible), and then attack that. Done correctly it makes his response irrefutable by rational means, and people have to turn to emotional or personal attacks to have any chance of victory. It's similar in principle to a legal process for a "motion to dismiss" - the judge looks at the plaintiff's case and assumes for the sake of dismissal that everything the plaintiff said is 100% true - it's like they went through court and proved everything they wanted to prove. Then the judge looks at the law, and if the law says the defendant is right, then the judge dismisses the case, because there's absolutely nothing the plaintiff can do to win. You don't have to discuss anything, because the plaintiff just loses no matter what.
@@jeffwells641 Yeah steelmanning is such a breath of fresh air, when you get people like Vaush who strawman like their life depends on it. The other one Destiny is good at is arguing the meaning of what someone says and not JUST the words they say. So many people are either nitpicky bitches who throw out a whole argument because you used 1 wrong word, or use doublespeak of saying something like "We can agree my videos are entertainment, right?", while the words might be true, the implication is "And so I can say anything and claim it is a joke, and should never be held to standards I set out", and Destiny is good at replying like "Yes, but they still have a narrative" to pin the implication instead of just the semantics.
@@Winasaurus U know, with that comment, you come off as driven by your bias yet convinced of your ovjectivity? The simping for destiny isn't too wierd because of the topic of this thread, but, the non-sequitor attack on voosh says a lot about DGG and your affiliations. There wasn't even a lazy example or comparable that you bothered to use to tie the insult into the discourse. Just a random, 3rd person, spiteful, passive-aggressive aspersion that flowed naturally from your mentality but doesn't flow with the discussion. It's dad your YT dad's got divorced. But I'm saying, try and comport yourself with dignity, still. You're drinking kool-aid, man. Like, I bet you think hasan buying a house was hypocrisy somehow, don't you?
Honestly I think it's more manipulation tactics than anything else. He has to find new ways of saying the same thing over and over again, I'd wager part of his illusion of truth. If he wavers on what he says too much then his own followers might have that one single question that typically ruins the illusions. If you look at him as a manipulator and not ignorant he's very smart. Why do you think he's always shouting that the moderators are not fair and balanced? It's so he can claim that christians are being cast down for one reason or another. I think it's also why he brings up how bad flat earth is from time to time despite the arguments being on the same level. It seems more to me like he wants people out there insulting him so he has fuel to give to his followers. That is my thought on him at least. Remember he was able and willing to do tax evasion.
For a guy who taught high school physics he’s completely forgetting the counter example to the inverse square law with planets, that being the conservation of energy. As the moon gets closer to the earth it will speed up as a result of converting potential energy into momentum
@@jontay4199 it applies to any rotating system. It’s the classic example of an ice scatter who is spinning pulling in their legs and rotating faster and vice versa. As you move closer to the body you orbit your velocity increases and while energy is conserved potential energy is converted to rotational energy
Whenever someone debates Kent, they always make the same mistakes. Saying scientific facts, and actually answering Kent’s questions. Kent can’t understand science, and neither can most (if not all) of his followers. Kent’s questions are ALWAYS stupid, so why answer them? Instead of talking about real science, tear apart the bible, because that’s his only “evidence” for his belief.
Just stupid your comment. Kent is a dr. he is a academic. Is in his knowledge much more instead of you kids. It is so stupid to think as a normal person without analysis to say you are smarter than him.
That's why they've taken the bible out of the debates. They try to claim the bible described the universe and knowledge as we know it today, when it doesn't. *So to prevent comparisons!* They never speak of how the bible explains Scientific Discoveries and Phenomena Of Nature. *They'll never get past the Earth being formed before the sun.*
@@denistrumic4161 well ok, I’ll humour you. Kent has gone to prison for felony tax evasion/fraud, I forgot which one specifically. He continually lies to everybody to push his narrative. Despite me saying in my first comment “Kent can’t understand science,” I think he actually does, but instead of recognizing science as truthful, he lies more to everybody. Kent is NOT a doctor. He faked his doctorate (if he even has one). You can check for yourself online for his “doctorate.” He is a professional con man, and a bad one at that. Seeing as he’s lost every debate he’s ever done, because he just repeated the same stupid lines over and over for multiple decades. Kent is an idiot, and a waste of life. He’s a cockroach, and you’re feeding him. He sponges off of his followers by saying what they want to hear, and because of that, he doesn’t have to pay any taxes on the millions he makes.
@Jack Francis that’s exactly what I meant by my original comment. The bible says the earth is flat, we can disprove that. Even if there were no scientific errors in the bible, that god is disgusting. Then there’s the moral arguments against the bible. For example, when god sent 2 bears to maul 42 children for making fun of a bald man, but then people say “god is the perfect standard of good in the universe.” I haven’t murdered any children, so by definition I am more moral than god.
It's so damn hard to debate people who take a scientific concept and just twist it to fit their ideology. It's basically just like trying to debate a flat earther, not worth it.
Yeah agreed, i wish a real scientist specialized in this area could debate these people (probably a waste of their valuable time) and show them how they dont understand the science they have twisted to their own purposes.
@@BeetleHunter really? Destiny sounded dumb? Destiny sounded pretty grounded, saying a couple times that the orbit of the moon is very complicated and not something they should be debating probably. He kept asking for any proof apart from the Bible that the Earth was only 6000 years old, and Kevin said nothing every time. It was kinda cringy.
Destiny did pretty poorly. He had the right arguments, but didn't pin them down, and he lost good opportunities to counter (Pascal's Wager, really?) Anyway, you need to do exceptionally well with a rational argument for it to actually register with a religious mind, if it goes in any way against their beliefs.
@@joelikesthings They both said nothing. saying the moon is complicated isnt compelling me to believe that the moon is billions of years old. Debunking the other side isnt the same as supporting your side. Both sides were cringy. Both sides knew nothing.
Destiny aged 4.5 billion years in this debate.
He didn't account for the moon
Lol
I don't know why I suffered through all the idiotic ramblings... (Kent) oh, right - only so I could hear Destiny refute the BS with reasoned and logical thoughts and questions. This Destiny character appears to have his poop together. I would have bruises on my forehead were I the one debating this moron. (yes, Kent)
We should carbon date him lol
@Joseph he's referring to carbon dating Kent because we ain't sure how many billions of years old is he
If evolution is real, how come Sargon hasn't evolved anti-Milkshake defenses.
Checkmate atheists
Not enough brotein supplements
He invested all of his evolutionary capital into developing resistance towards Soy-milk
that only happens after 10 milkshake attacks, DUH.
When god was handing out brains Sargon mistakenly thought they were milkshakes so he asked for his extra thick and smooth.
Using Kent's logic: The water in my backyard pool has warmed up from 69 degrees at 1pm to 70 degrees at 2pm. Therefore it has increased at a rate of one degree per hour and this proves that 100 hours ago the temperature of the water was -30 degrees.
Rates go on forever 😢. My poor dept means i was a billionare
Isn't that w hat carbon dating is? Does
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@@elaboratusyes.
They based their dates on recorded phenomena and pin the carbon-dating info to those events. And work backwards from there.
Look into the start of radio carbon dating.
@@ImEnemy608 No, thats not how it works.
The rate at which atoms decay is a universal constant. Our understanding of physics tells us this rate doesnt change, weve never observed that rate to change. Understanding that, we can know the age within specific degree of accuracy based on the specific ratio of isotopes is within an object. Its not working backwards like with the water.
The rate at which water heats up however is not a constant. It varies based on the amount of energy put in, the amount of energy already in the system, what the surface to volume ratio is and a million other factors that directly impact that rate. Further, in this scenario you are working backwards based upon the rate recorded.
Destiny "I need an argument beyond just 'the Bible says so'"
Kent "genesis 1"
Truly a mastermind of unprecedented genius
Non of the science convinces you the Earth is less than "billion" years old? Typicall dumbazz.
and he gave it.....
Apparently you slept through 99.9% of the debate.
@MusicGoodies- where did he give it? Beyond him not understanding basic ass geology.
@@donnieward6287 Why don't you "actually" watch the video.... Stay out of using your closed mind and you'll find it.
TL;DW The Universe is 6000 years old because the moon is 1 billion years old
More specifically, the universe is 6000 years old because there was once a study published that explained why the inverse square equation (which by itself would date the moon to 1byo) doesn't account for the entirety of the moon's orbital mechanics. Oh, and because we've found some objects that are less than 6000 years old.
@@longlivenc7235 but it may not be as old as the scientific community says, so checkmate, science can get fucked.
Soo, the moon is.....God?
@@PredominateOne you're a Pepega "science can get fucked" what are you a loonie
@@viktorvaughn6565 pretty sure it's a meme dude
Chat killed me with the "He thinks 6000 years old is old when Lolis are at least 12000" you win this one chat
Timestamp that's fucking hilarious
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
Okay, I'm stupid. I don't get it.
Lolis are degenerate, onee-sans 4 lyfe. Oppai 4 lyfe!
@Sean Charles dd/lg, to which you're referring, is essentially based around ageplay. Girls identify as little, or having a little side, in those relationships. They enjoy/feel safe having a 'little space'. It can be a non-sexual thing, sexual, or both. It's quite strange. As you mentioned guys can be similar, sometimes referred to as infantalism. As long as such a relationship is between two consenting adults, or two older adolescents, I don't really take issue with it. So long as you're not doing anything to promote actual adult-child relationships.
The age of consent in Japan is 13 and we shouldn't ignore that. Rather than simply being ethnocentric, we must demonstrate why the age of consent should be everywhere what it is in our respective countries.
I'm unsure whether you're referring to real children or drawings in the last part.
If it's loli I am unconvinced. If you can demonstrate that loli encourages/influences minor attracted people into offending, which I'm not saying you couldn't, I could agree. In a vaccum I don't take issue with it, because the whole reason why we're bothered about child abuse is because children are hurt, and adults involved in those scenarios being 'disgusting' is a subjective value assessment most of us make that follows that. Someone can be 'disgusting' for looking at loli, but *if it doesn't harm or contribute to the harm of real children*, then I don't know that it carries moral weight.
It would be quite difficult to snuff them out.
Kent's mic sounds like it was created the day Jesus was crucified.
cmon man, be more realistic. it was at least 3 months after that.
Lmao. You could carbon date his mic and it would be over 6000 year old.
Maybe he dragged it out of prison
We need to get it carbon dated
I think he has a great mic, it's just he has that 1985 cassette tape voice.
Hats off to the moderator! She was super professional
The opponent to Destiny speaks so arrogantly it’s ridiculous
Idk why someone would still debate him after seeing his old ones
Did this man just call evolution a fairytale for grownups...
while defending the bible?
Lol, he also calls it "a dangerous religion".
@@Thedamped Kent Hovind has to be trolling. He's iconic ironic!
While STILL giving NO evidence for how or why we know a GOD exists.
@Gabriel F Don't really follow your comment. Do you mean to say that Kent did give evidence for God's existence, but it was simply denied?
If so, would you kindly furnish an example?
@Gabriel F at what point did he give evidence for a god? The only attempt I heard was (and I'm paraphrasing) "existence is too complicated for someone/something to not have built it."
One that's extremely subjective. Two that is not evidence. That's the same as someone who know doesn't know shit about nature and saying "wow the tree is so complicated, someone must have made it."
this man was turned down for debate more times than the years the earth has existed
OMEGALUL
Aidon Goatte Whenever I say a shit joke and get pity laughs, they’re giving me betaluls
Destiny is not a good guy to have this kind of debates. He got sucker punched with inverse square law despite the fact that hovind dissproved himself with it.
Destiny lacks scientific accumen to really fight this kind of gotcha guys
I don’t think it matters how much scientific knowledge destiny has. What matters is how well he handles questions like this. He could be honest and say I don’t know enough about that to give you any real answer other than attempting to pick holes innit on the spot. Or he could have stopped the debate to look up the problem.
@@ImDougDimmadome ΩLUL
Destiny was degraded via the second law of thermodynamics in this debate
even more so because of the inverse square law
@AllGTG because he could actively look up the shit Kent was using as an argument
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Destiny got Created in this debate.
btw did you know bible teaches thermodynamics lol
@@EnigmazGuide really?
Kent is the perfect personification of religion; his jokes and arguments haven't changed since he formed them.
I watched this guy vs aaron or matt more recently , literaly is exact same talking points and jabs
Hovind is so intellectually dishonest, even for a Christian apologist.
Kent is actually a very poor representative of religion.
True. They're timeless and enduring.
What channel is this debate platform? I can’t figure it out!
Kent: "If someone says the earth is billions of years old, they are callling Jesus a lier"
Best self-own of all time
@@Sue_Me_Too how would you know that? The human mind came up with the concept of a god, not the universe. Simply asserting improbability is not evidence for any kind of deity, concerned with humanity or not. If there is no physical evidence of a god it is justified to not believe in any god. Lack of evidence is reason to not believe.
@@Sue_Me_Too So would you not agree that a perpetual motion machine doesn’t and will not exist? We test hypotheses to see if it is and haven’t found any evidence, so is it not logical to induct that it’s impossible? Lack of evidence is reason enough to not believe
@@Sue_Me_Too motion is relative, there is no such thing as true motion. On top of that, friction does not allow for perpetual motion, as, no matter what, something will always be resisting the motion of an object, be it atoms or gravity from other large masses. Therefore perpetual motion is not possible given what we know about the universe.
Chris Stewart why don’t you 2 get a room lol
@@Sue_Me_Too This is wrong on so many levels.
"Lack of evidence is also not a reason to believe there isn't a God."
No, but that's a non sequitur in regards to what's been said, doesn't actually tell you anything actually. So it sure as hell doesn't support the belief that there is one. Which is enough to dismiss the hypothesis altogether. There is actually NOTHING in the entire universe that requires a God to work, so assuming there is one makes zero sense.
"It's safer to assume that there is than it is to assume there isn't."
Holy crap, where do I begin. I actually used to believe this when I was a kid and torn between christianity and my own disbelief at how ridiculous it seemed, but I'll paraphrase something Christopher Hitchens once said and that's that if God does exist, it's (to keep it genderless) the biggest tyrant to have ever been conceived by the conscious mind. It's constantly contradicting itself, expecting a species of animals that have evolved over millions of years to have developed a way of interpreting its wants and needs (independent of communication) in such a way as to avoid sinning. Honestly, if obeying a God that's going to hold a shotgun over my head and threatening hell whenever one reasonably goes against the archaic doctrines depicted in the bible is what's considered the "safer" choice, then that's not a choice at all. Send me to hell because I want nothing to do with that dictator. Also, false equivalence. Since in which case you should fear all Gods. Assuming one is true, without any evidence (which you yourself mentioned above) is... well, ignorant. If you want to be God fearing then fear all the Gods, but doing so would be (in most religions) blasphemous. So you really can't win either way. Most people on Earth, should God be revealed to be true and actually exist, whatever that means (and we're taking a huge leap of faith here), are going to hell. That's truly a loving father right there. You know what, I changed my mind. I'm joining a church. I just love the idea of a majority of the world going to hell for their beliefs or lack thereof and then claiming I'm the one that's preaching peacefulness and love. That sounds like fun.
@Hovind, sign me up buddy.
Throwing some support for Shannon in the comments. She moderated fine and Kent was rude.
She clearly had a bias and had to be put back into place by the other moderator. Kent was rude at points tho
fishsticks428
Yea, her bias is the same as mine, we both can’t stand intentional dishonesty by dodging questions! He knows when and where he’s being dishonest about the data. He’s a fucking conspiracy nutter, with a case of criminally insane brain.
Who is Shannon?
Stephen Sehrbrock
ShannonQ, youtuber
@@stephensehrbrock5613 She was the woman you can hear in the video.
Am I high, or this guy is really trying to prove, that bible is correct, using only evidence from the bible???
Kent mostly gives personal opinion in an attempt to disprove verifiable scientific evidence
That can work. For example, if you give very accurate prophecies or explain stuff scientifically accurate before humans were able to. But the Bible doesn't do that.
It’s that circular fuzzy logic that is the basis of all fundamentalist xtian arguments. And with that logic any leader or government can fully justify: slavery, eugenics, any other form of mass murder or crime on a massive scale. The worst IMHO is the indoctrination of their own children.
What we are really talking about is a living organism... composed of generations of self spreading mental illness that has figuratively became alive.
I am not the first guy to suggest this thesis. Psychology life in the form of any cult is fairly easy to understand if one possesses even an average IQ.
It’s sad cuz there is some holes in the theory of evolution that this guy could adress. Instead he just reads from the Bible. He can’t comprehend someone viewing life thru a different lense then his own
@@reeferrotrandy458 even sadder is that it is not his lens as your analogy (Pun Fully Intended) so aptly portrays, it is the one someone likely guilted/shamed/ instilled by fear into him when he was less than 5 years old.
IMO all cults are evil waving a big “I’m good” flag. The most reprehensible are the ones that teach children to fear god and thus fear and hate themselves and the Great I Am that is in them. The Great I Am that most parents immediately begin tearing down after a soul is born.
01:31 Kent Hovind
03:14 Point of Order
04:15 The Age of the Earth Is There Evidence for a Youn...
06:04 How Old Is the Earth
11:18 The Age of the Earth
13:14 Five Minute Rebuttal
16:38 Jupiter and Saturn
23:38 Moon
23:50 Different Kinds of Tides on the Earth
24:08 The Inverse Square Law
28:33 The Earth Is Slowing Down in Its Spin
40:36 Carbon Dating
44:23 There Was Water above the Firmament
46:19 The History of the Geologic Column
48:59 The Lunar Recession Problem
54:58 Q&a
57:13 Does the Second Law of Thermodynamics Apply to…
57:26 Second Law of Thermodynamics
01:07:54 Could a Dog Eventually Grow Wings and Be Able T._
01:11:34 The Sahara Desert
01:20:27 Population Growth Chart
01:20:44 United Nations Population Chart
01:24:22 Dinosaurs
01:25:12 About Dinosaurs and the Bible
01:30:20 How Do We Carbon Date a Freshly Killed Seal
My favorite meme "argument" in favor of a divine creator has got to be "this world is just too complicated". Like you people honestly think just because you, a mortal being, can't comprehend this vastness of the universe means a sky wizard had to come up with it?
God of the gaps
He said the simple answer is God and that's when I knew this guy's beliefs weren't based on finding the truth but what was most convenient
Not to mention the argument that it's too complicated supports atheism lol, you'd think a being with all power would just make things super simple and basic to avoid confusion and lessen or completely prevent terrible things like diseases, unless his argument is that the devil also has put things on this Earth like bad germs and stuff lmao.
Clayton Smith but God is all-powerful so he allowed the devil to do it - what a prick!
every argument for god is usually a God of the gaps argument
"If atheism is a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby."
- NonStampCollector
*then
@@TheTheawesomeguy35 *thæn
@@TheTheawesomeguy35 th”stfu”n
AHAHA, ok that made me laugh.
who is claiming that atheism is a religion?
As far as I’m concerned, Kent won the debate the moment he said “you’d better get ready for your death and destiny, Destiny” 😎
*clears throat* CRINGE
He also doesn't seem to know what he's talking about. A lot of his scientific talking points were way off.
Nah, it was the 10th time he said that "you don't have enough time to turn that frog into a prince"
This was so cringe
That was so fuckinh sick
By Kent’s logic- the youngest coin on a shipwreck was minted 20 years ago, but the oldest was minted 6 billion years ago. Therefore the Earth is 20 years old.
Like,he's just speaking nonsense. Especially in the end,using that Christian delusion strawman about nice life and all that irrelevant things.
I don't even know if he knows what "fairytale " means.
I watched this when it first aired and holy shit. This guy basically clings to one paper that was released by two guys and it doesn't even say what he wants it to say. It's two hours of this guy misrepresenting a paper and saying "if there is one issue with the consensus of 4.45 billion years, then obviously the earth is 6000 years old." Fucking kill me now
@Sally Vee yes he does. He says multiple times that kent has yet to provide any evidence for his 6000 years claim
Oh man, when Shannon got shot down just trying to get him to admit it around 1:10:00 I was like DAMN
I looked it up he has a doctorate in Christian education. as a Christian even I know that's a fucking joke and a half
And that type of argument he is making isn't even scientific. For example, if there is one piece of evidence wildly out of sync with everything else then the scientific thing to do is to try to understand other circumstances that evidence might arise.
The moon is moving away at a certain rate means that it would have been close less than a billion years ago. Ok how else could the moon have achieved its particular orbit in this way since everything else we know about the world says is 4.5 billion years old.
James
Holy shit Kent Hovind’s coin in the box argument is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
The age of the coin is evidence that the Earth can’t be older than 6000 years? What is the correlation? It makes no sense. Lol
Destiny:”I find it strange that with the invention of smartphones sightings of the loch ness monster have significantly decreased.”
Kent:”maybe it died.”
Now this is the content I subbed for
I fell on the floor when he said that
Lol
Idiots with a platform 🙄
I'm so sick of these harmful idiots spreading their poison.
@@iconoclastvii They are holding us back.
@@Ragitsu You people are science zombies. You have a cult leader in destiny. That kind of ideology lead to the deaths of millions last century.
"Currently it's 4.5 billion years, next week it'll be more, the time always goes up"...
Yes Kent. Indeed you've done it. You've discovered that the age of the universe increases as more time passes. Congrats.
Wait... Does he mean... Time flows... In one direction? WOOOOOOOOOW! Kent is a genius!
Kent is moving at the speed of light
Yea guys! Doesn't he understands that the earth every year ages from 1year to a billion . Its like dogs years just this year might be 200mil next year 500mill you never know that's why i love evolution couse its like poker 😂🤣😅
@@karoliskarolis5514 Incredible. It's almost as if early science, before better instruments and understanding were available, was incapable of making accurate investigations into the Earth's age, and then as we get better and better tech and theory we acquire increasingly accurate assessments, with each successive improvement yielding a smaller and smaller modification to the previously held knowledge. Except, that would imply that science was getting ever closer to the correct age of the universe, in the range of billions of years...oops.
In earliest stages of exploration into the age of the universe, the LOWEST scientific estimate for the age of the Earth was about 75,000 years old, based on a rather unreliable experiment based on making a small globe to simulate Earth and measuring it's rate of cooling. That still means that in 1779 science was pretty sure the Earth was much older than 6000 years old as claimed by Young Earth Creationists. By 1907, two independent studies, one based on the geology of the Earth's convective mantle and thin crust and one based on early radiometric dating, agreed that the Earth was likely billions of years old (John Perry in 1895, and Bertram B. Boltward in 1907). And in 1956, we got an estimate from Clair Cameron Patterson based on far more modern radiometric dating which showed that the age of the Earth was about 4.55 billion years old, with a 1.5% margin for error.
And in the 64 years since then? We haven't strayed far from that estimate at all. Currently, the US National Park Service lists the best measure of the age of the Earth at about 4.6 billion years old. The most recent citation on the website is from 2001. So for at least 19 years, but almost certainly for at least 64 years, the age of the Earth has been unchanged and undisputed within science. In comparison, different Young Earth Creationist theories pit the age of the Earth within 6000 and 10,000 years old, leaving a whopping plus-or-minus 25% margin for error. Sounds to me more like the creationists are playing poker than the scientists.
P.S. The age of the Earth has not been calculated based on discovered life or fossils in any way, and so the age of the Earth is not at all connected to the theory of evolution.
@@iandougherty215 One assumption is that the global levels of carbon 14 (also called radiocarbon) in the atmosphere has not changed over time. The other assumption is the corollary of the first; the biosphere has the same overall concentration of radiocarbon as the atmosphere due to equilibrium.noun
a state in which opposing forces or influences are balanced.
"the maintenance of social equilibrium"
But carbon-14 dating won't work on dinosaur bones. The half-life of carbon-14 is only 5,730 years, so carbon-14 dating is only effective on samples that are less than 50,000 years old. ... To determine the ages of these specimens, scientists need an isotope with a very long half-life.When scientists (specifically, Ralph Keeling's father) first started measuring atmospheric CO2 consistently in 1958, at the pristine Mauna Loa mountaintop observatory in Hawaii, the CO2 level stood at 316 parts per million (ppm).
Mar 2, 2016 · Atmospheric carbon-14 measurements reveal natural production rate by cosmic rays. Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory researchers have measured the carbon-14 isotope (14C) produced by cosmic rays in the stratosphere and found its production rate is less than most previous estimates.
The first geologic time scale that included absolute dates was published in 1913 by the British geologist Arthur Holmes. He greatly furthered the newly created discipline of geochronology and published the world-renowned book The Age of the Earth in which he estimated Earth's age to be at least 1.6 billion years.In 1946, Willard Libby proposed an innovative method for dating organic materials by measuring their content of carbon-14, a newly discovered radioactive isotope of carbon. Known as radiocarbon dating, this method provides objective age estimates for carbon-based objects that originated from living organisms.
Relative dating is used to determine a fossils approximate age by comparing it to similar rocks and fossils of known ages. Absolute dating is used to determine a precise age of a fossil by using radiometric dating to measure the decay of isotopes, either within the fossil or more often the rocks associated with it.
Relative time ("chronostratic") -- subdivisions of the Earth's geology in a specific order based upon relative age relationships (most commonly, vertical/stratigraphic position). ... These subdivisions are given names, most of which can be recognized globally, usually on the basis of fossils.
Your theory is a widely accepted hoax.
the·o·ry
/ˈTHirē/
noun
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.
"Darwin's theory of evolution"
“If man was here for millions of years then why isn’t the population higher” I think the answer to this one is, I don’t know, the BUBONIC PLAGUE
population is high
also, we haven't had agriculture for very long.
He doesn't know the difference between exponential and linear growth (or speed).
Ice ages limiting the amount of fertile ground available.
Sadly that isnt the dumbest thing he's said
Kent: "you guys are desperate to have a 4.5 billion year earth" The amount of projection in that statement is palpable.
He desperately wishes the bible were true so he can avoid death. I think that this is a major subconscious motivation for most theists: they just don't want to accept that death is almost certainly the end. They are willing to believe nonsense as long as they get an afterlife.
@Michael Whitewolf stop lying dude theism has very little credibility
@Michael Whitewolf dude just say mood or culture stop trying to use obscure words you come across as pretentious. And not really the only evidence is a book written by man in its naivety that contradicts itself multiple times about God the most evil being in existence. Zero credibility! You say most of us can't do the tests etc anyone can you think scientists hide their methods? If that was true no scientist would have credibility but they do just because you can't be bothered to learn the methods/not intelligent enough whatever the reason that's on you
@Michael Whitewolf ps. Incase you ask how God is the most evil being. According to monotheism God created everything in that case he created all the evils the diseases, Satan, war, old age, murderers, rapists etc all created by God all created to be what they are!
God the most evil fictional being in existence
Edit. I forgot to mention his demands of worship or eternal pain and torture! The Bible like the torah and Koran was written to subjugate mankind
@Michael Whitewolf right I don't really care you haven't made any points to be valid in the 1st place use whatever words you wish I'm well educated I was schooled in England not dumb fuck alabama tech whatever you call it and in most cases theories need to be backed up yet not 1 shred of any evidence for it therefore completely unprovable.
But the evidence against it is way too high to ignore I don't list to other points I make my own BOY!
15:22 "where are the stars forming? Nobody's even got a good theory on how a star can form"
15:47 "the Bible claims that god made all the stars. I can't prove that, but that's what I believe"
his whole argument in a nutshell
At first Kent said it on scientific reasoning. Kent believes that God created the universe including stars. So his stand is clear. But science can't explain how stars created
@@JohnDoe-xp7ut I learned the compounds and situations needed to form a star when I was 14. What the fuck kind of school did you go to.
@@JohnDoe-xp7ut I hope you are mimeing
@@Trickey2413 Modern science in lagre is about money And influence. Kent makes The only valid points. Population growth is a far stronger argument than what Many thinks
@@Trickey2413 Science cant Even disprove a 2000 year old book With any good evidence, And still people are made to have faith in something that changes dramaticly every 5 years or so. Tomorrow The universe 10 billion years. Next week maybe Its 50. Who knows
Last time a Christian got wrecked this bad, Nero was emperor.
Nero isn't a real name. Checkmate atheist.
@AllGTG It hasn't changed because he refuses to acknowledge anything that may refute his absurd point of view. My stance on the morality of dropkicking babies hasn't changed so I must be right, regardless of stance.
He was all over the place in terms of classification and scientific "research". For example, Destiny brought up how the moon may have had a starting angular velocity that would allow it escape a stronger gravitational pull, thus rendering the square cube law argument irrelevant. Instead of tackling the proposal he just assumes it to be true, referencing the Bible. I could reference myself on the moral validity of dropkicking babies and that wouldn't be accepted in court.
He showed a blatant misunderstanding of the scientific method and even basic highschool pysichs he supposedly taught for years. His entire argument can be summarized as lets take X false premise and derive Y false conclusion from it. Destiny's mistake was trying to argue theoreticals under those premises.
@AllGTG It's supposed to show how not changing stances is an indication of refusal to adapt and not to being correct.
Melina Hristova leave Nero out of this
AllGTG Holy shit you’re stupid, I feel really bad for you. You literally proved his point for him by refusing to read any of his comment past the dropkicking babies part. rofl
I went to a Christian school and during my 8th grade year we studied apologetics. We watched Kent a few times; there were somethings that made sense, but everything else was a disgusting misuse of logic. You cannot site the thing you’re debating the validity over.
Distiny low key playing video games while debating lol
I think he wrote down notes
Doubtful. Usually in these debates he’s writing notes and getting cancer from bad arguments.
@@Southboundpachyderm i was joking
@@cokerockstop2 I'm sorry. It's really hard to read context into comments. I didn't mean it in any kind of negative way if that helps.
P00NM45T3RFL3XXX no offense, but you’re really forcing that vocabulary. That “doubtful” stuff. Idk you and it’s obvious that it doesn’t fit you. You don’t have to change the way you speak to be intelligent.. cause it’s kinda cringe. Makes you look like a robot dude lol
Destiny scuba dived for pirate coins in this debate.
Good
He has to give simple examples to be understandable for the dumb evolutionist
Out of all the memes, this one made me spit out my fucking drink
@@gymunit1 Coin analogy was wrong since you have to set a bound on the age of the Earth by the _oldest_ coin, not the _newest_ . The creationist is the dumb one here.
@@gymunit1 The newest coin suggests the ship couldn't have sank before that date... But the oldest coin suggests that there were coins minted at least back at that date.
So, a rock containing newly formed materials could mean the rock itself is recently formed. But may also contain older materials that suggest the rock was formed by some older stuff that had to exist to be part of this rock... The analogy would support taking the oldest materials in order to the date the Earth and the universe.
I'd like to point out that this guy is a teacher. He teaches kids.
Frightening
That's the thing he only teaches kids that unfortunately have parents with the same beliefs and probably attend his church not to mention the 10 year prison sentence for I believe tax fraud
teachers have to follow curriculum not their beliefs
He teaches in christian schools. Fuck em I guess
@@cryterion7770 already too brainwashed
What’s funny is that about three years after this debate, scientists discovered that the moon is likely actually 40 million years older than they previously expected and most scientists already believed it to be billions of years old.
*I dont wanna be the bearer of bad news to Kent but has no one told him we have recorded history of Empires and civilisations that are OLDER than he thinks the earth is??*
Nah, I don't think there is any known writing before 3000 BC (just some proto-writing). This is why Destiny brought up cave paintings. If you want to go back farther than that, you need archaeological evidence.
@@Thedamped
So your telling me the Chinese didnt have writing and an Empire going back long before that? lol
I think you should check again sir!!!
th-cam.com/video/fFNzX3tYTXU/w-d-xo.html
We also know of much older civilisations that are mentioned and documented in Chinese history not to mention archaeological evidence. . . even in Celtic lands there are ancient languages written in stone...then there's places like Stone Henge and the pyramids which arent as old the Chinese history if I remember correctly but yeah it all goes back about 10,000 years at least and is all well documented
@MrRABC1 Hey, I'm not sure where the misunderstanding is. If you watch the video you linked, at 1:05 they talk about when the Chinese came into the Bronze age and begin writing. They list the dynasty as 1600-1050 BC. The Wiki lists Chinese writing dating back to around 1200 BC, which would seem to agree with your video. Writing in the Middle East is much older at around 3000 BC.
The oldest writing in Europe I believe is usually thought to be Linear B in Greece which is also much younger than writing in the Middle East. Around 1400 BC. They don't get writing North of that for even longer.
Stonehenge (3000 BC) and the Giza pyramids (2500 BC) are still less than 6,000 years old.
The problem you are running into is that 6,000 years ago places most of the world into the Neolithic which is before writing developed (considered an important trait of the Bronze Age). Without writing you can't have recorded history.
But anatomically modern humans have been around for much longer than that. For instance, the oldest known permanent settlement is dated at 25,000 years ago. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doln%C3%AD_V%C4%9Bstonice
Just no recorded history going back that far.
@@Thedamped
Then I stand corrected when it comes to actual writing being invented but as you yourself just stated we have knowledge of civilisations going back tens of thousands of years which far exceeds the time length Kent would assert.... I mean just for coal to form or for any of the geological processes we know of to happen takes millions of years I mean the elements we have discovered can only be formed in the super-nova of exploding stars. . . .the things he believes are just crayon eatingly stupid!!!!
@@MrRABC1 Yeah, no Kent was wrong about almost everything he said about science. And sorry if it feels like I was being pedantic. I just feel like it's important when we argue with science deniers that we have our facts straight. Sometimes impressionable people are listening.
What was Kent's PHD thesis on and where can I find it?
"I'm not prepared for that"
@@erichathaway4783
"Hovind, along with his alma mater, Patriot Bible University, has consistently refused to allow his dissertation to be offered for public reprint or scholarly inquiry."
Sounds promising, and Patriot University is a diploma mill.
It starts off with "Hello. My name is Kent Hovind."
His _doctoral dissertation_ starts off like that ... His 'PhD' is less valuable than toilet paper.
@@drazenkekovic3012 His PhD might be a _tiny_ bit more valuable at this time. Asswipe is hard to come by.
😂😂😂 PHD? 😩
@@L4ck0Ski11 He purchased his degree. Yes, it's faked.
Destiny evolved from a primate in this debate.
fyi we are still primates you stupid fuck...
Destiny got told by a Fossil that his carbon dating doesn't work.
Bofa Sofa FYI destiny didn’t evolve during the debate either so picking out the primate part is pretty fucking stupid
My pacifier got taken away in this debate.
@@bofasofa9399 HoW dO yOu KnOw?
This biggest issue with Kent's boat analogy is the question, we aren't asking when the boat sank but when the boat was originally build. Assuming none of the coins are also than the boat itself, (as most things we use to find Earth's age aren't older than earth itself) then you would go by the oldest coin
Not that I agree with him, but i think he was trying to use the fact that he thought the moon could be no older than 1 billion to say that the earth would be 1 billion and then he was gonna say more stuff that "limits" the earth's age and that's how he was gonna use the analogy. Still doesn't make sense though.
When I was 7, I was 3'10" tall. When I was 17, I was 5'10" tall. That means I grow at 24 inches per decade. I am now 57. So while I may appear to be 5'11" tall, logically I am 13’ 10" tall (thanks, Carlos!) You cannot argue with that. Eat your heart out, Robert Pershing Wadlow!
Excuse me, I'm off to ring the Guinness Book of Records.
Chuck Norris is ten feet tall, weighs two-tons
Google it :-)
@@THEREALZENFORCE are you calling Chuck Norris fat?
I swear I didn't get not one 😂 think you said .
So where is destine argument again .
Golden Shoe
No, he’s just made out of balls of steel.
Alastair Archibald you have completely and utterly annihilated my worldview. i can not disprove this. i am crying.
Obviously being calm in an argument doesn’t make you right, but watching Destiny calmly pick apart his moon argument that he’s been stuck on while he sits in the back ground obviously annoyed with an awkward smile on his face was so satisfying.
That is how you get Kent, he wants you to lose cool.
“If you say the Bible is wrong than you are saying Jesus’s lieing” if you don’t believe in god in the first place does that matter???
I don't believe Jesus is lying, I believe he is being lied about. If he existed, he was a Jewish Buddhist with a few basic truths...treat others the way you want to be treated and stoning a woman to death for adultery when you've got two side-chicks (as one does) is stupid.
Troy Evitt Yeah, because Buddhism was really big in Palestine 2000 years ago...Not! Jesus was most certainly a apocryphal rabbi who thought that the end of the world was imminent and that he was the “Son of Man” prophesied in the Old Testament.
@@kingcogidubnus1508 His supposed teachings aren't similar to Buddhism though...
Kent is a master of "I don't understand it, therefore it can't be true."
Kent: "Some muslims may believe Allah was a prophet"
Muhammad: "Am I a joke to you?"
Muslims do believe that Jesus was a prophet
Muhammad... Oh he is such a joke
@@mcawserviceslaurel5315 Jesus.....the dumb dog
Yes, Mohammed is a joke to us.
A Muslim cant be a Muslim if he does not love and believe that Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (PBUH) are prophets and messengers .
"Science hasn't explained literally everything with perfectly infallible data, therefore God."
Welcome to the argument from ignorance. A classic.
@M A Therefore, it is impossible to go anywhere in discussions with them. There's no point in continuing the discussions with them because of this.
Kent Hovind failed to falsify the evolutionary God in this debate
This guy thinks that you can just take a snapshot of current scientific knowledge and say that's all we know and could possibly ever know.
More Like Science says the earth can't be as old as people say it is, and therefore I am going to believe God.
kent is creating more atheists ...
kinda funny reading this comment, because when i was little, my extremely far right abusive father made my brother and i watch kent hovind’s creation seminars and that is one of the main reasons why we both now are atheists. people like him really do damage lol
Yup
yep! many thanks to Kent hovind for freeing me from that ridiculous dogma
The lost are already lost. The unsaved are already unsaved. He makes no one an athiest
@@kingsouth5329 You better watch out , you know nothing
Just a reminder that Kent was convicted of domestic violence in 2021.
He's been involved in far worse than that. Not convicted, but he knowingly shelters pedophiles at his theme park, has that at least one kid go missing and another died there. Kent went on the record to say something along the lines of "But other than that the family had a wonderful time and are looking forward to coming back again!" There's a clip of him saying that if they're so upset about their kid dying they can just make another one also. He uses his "I've been in three hundred debates!" (and lost them all) lines to advertise his compound. I'm fairly sure that YT shut down his channel because of that, though that's honestly only a guess. It went offline shortly after the "This guy uses TH-cam to advertise his highly suspect cult to children" was pointed out, but he's had his channel frozen at least once before this. As fun as it is to see him fail hard, he's actually quite dangerous to the people that follow him.
Yeah I saw a couple videos going into his business which really makes me despise him, beyond the stupidity and dishonesty of his young earth rubbish
@@steventhompson399 I found just yesterday he's back on TH-cam on someone else's channel and is saying the same BS again and advertising his "theme park" again. Circumventing a ban. Not great. Hoping YT staff whack that on the head again. Using YT to advertise that place is not something Google should want to have happen. Imagine the fallout if another kid dies.
This mad mans opening statement was hilarious.
My fucking God hahhaha, it's amazing how these people are actually real
Bullionsufyehsold! Don't want to Ad-hom any debater but the way he said it is stuck in my head
@@heavenlysadness That's the point, he's constructed his intro to stick in your head after the debate. While Kent spews a lot of bullshit, he's a wonderful bullshit artist, a real confidence artist.
"the Bible says the earth is 6k years old. If you disagree you're calling God a liar and I'm going to tell on you".
@@ToxicAudri This is the same bullshit argument people use about Trump. It's not talent, they're just stupid enough to make other stupid people relate to them. Nothing he's saying sounds remotely convincing. It's memorable because of how ridiculous it is, which isn't a good thing by any decent measure.
I would never be able to be so polite to a such a condescending fact-immune person.
You are wrong. Slavery exists today as well. 90% of the people are not free. You work, have some spare time, sleep, and go to work again. Nowadays you have a car so you can work more, since you don't have to walk to work. 50% of your money is taken away immediately through tax, you pay rent and have a bit left for clothes and media(for you to be brainwashed to believe you are free).
@trollnerd You belong to the system now. What happens if you dont pay taxes? The US is not the only country in the world. But you are brainwashed to believe you are free, that makes you a great servant.
@@brilliantbeaches5389 Clearly you never experienced anything even remotely similar to slavery or you would not spew this bullshit. Nobody ever said that governments are saints who never exploit their people, there are a lot of dark things in this world. And even the "wealthy west" is not even close to being free from corruption, but that is how humanity always operated ever since we had a proper civilization. It is something we must strive to change, will it work or not only the future knows. But you have to be really ignorant to believe a modern person living in a semi sensible country is somehow a slave.
Yes, you do have to work. Guess why? Because if you don't, society (which also provides you with the food, water, healthcare and other things you need to survive by the way, and I didn't see you complaining about that, I wonder why?) will collapse, causing you to die along with it.
@@brilliantbeaches5389 "brilliant" how ironic 😼😼
@@tomasboy999 So you're saying you have experienced slavery? What's that argument with food and water? Slaves back then didn't receive food and water? How can they work if they can't eat and drink water? What's wrong with you bro?
“What was Kent’s PhD thesis and where can I find it”
Lol I absolutely lost it
you can read it online, it is dreadful
lmao you can tell he was so embarassed by that question
Well, in case you stillwanted to know, he got his masters and phD (In Christian Education, no less) from an unaccredited school called "Patriot Bible University".
@@divineapelord3714 I hate and don't trust so many words in that comment.
@@haruhirogrimgar6047 Why? Because it challenges your faith in Kent.
Kent sprinted when that question about his thesis came up 💀🤣
I'll summarize all of Kent's points in 3 sentences:
"There's a paper written by a few scientists that disagrees with the consensus of every other reputable scientist that has studied orbital mechanics. Also I don't like radiocarbon dating because it's weird. Read the Bible."
Also the paper doesn't even disagree with the 4,5 billion years, it just offered some refined calculations to explain certain issues they found.
@AllGTG well it's all he said so
@@leroture7750 I'm not gonna assume his stance, but you don't know if he agrees with that or not.
Cellkist There’s another comment about Nero where allgtg supports creationism, so that’s how I know his stance.
@AllGTG crack open the bible and prove it wrong? Everything that can be proven wrong has already been proven wrong. What are you talking about?
You can tell this is old because when the dude said “Among Us”, chat didn’t seizure
You can also tell because Kent Hovid isn’t in prison. 😂
@@kaiza6467 hes in jail now? What happened?
@@boopdeeb9444 pulled this from wikipedia so
Hovind was arrested in Alabama on July 30, 2021, for throwing his estranged wife, Cindi Lincoln, to the ground in August 2020. Additionally, she petitioned for a protective order in Conecuh County, Alabama, saying that she had to go to the emergency room after being "bodyslammed".. She has also stated that she had been threatened by one of Hovind's associates.[185][186][187] Hovind was tried on September 20 and found guilty of domestic violence.
The sequel to Destiny Vs Disingenuous Binder:
Destiny vs the Ignorant Powerpoint Presentation
Nice
This should have more upvotes, before Jesus comes back.
I’d amend that to “disingenuous PowerPoint presentation”. this guy knows exactly what he’s doing
They are learning... Evolving
"I taught and science and math for 15 years" was somehow relevant to the topic but being asked what his thesis was for his phd somehow was not lol. What a clown.
"take the pacifier away from the baby"
"they're gonna cry like babies if you take the time away"
"they like to imagine like spongebob..."
This guy opened the debate saying he didn't want to pick fights. Those are some passive aggressive fighting words
Do you bite ur pacifier at thee
That's what I was thinking. Passive aggressive is a coward's way to sling insults in order to claim innocence and the moral high ground when called on it. Respect to Destiny for not taking the obvious bait.
dude this is nothing compared to jesse lee peterson
Its worse cause he is WAYYYY too wrong on like everything to be so arrogant. Its the Duning Kruger Effect personified.
The whole debate summed up:
This happened.
No it didn't.
Yes.
How can you know?
Yes
But it doesn't make sense.
Yes it does.
I am so confused.
You should reconsider your position.
...
Nice lol
Very succinct
At least he believes you existed, sir Dino
From now on, I’m going to refer to the Bible as a “non-peer-reviewed book”
It was reviewed by pastors and they all agreed it was the word of God. If you disagree you arent a peer.
@@averywealthyman4194 I assume you dont have a kid. Did you know they lose their baby teeth as their skull gets bigger? How does nature plan ahead for things like that?
@RadioTSM {Operator Teddy Timis} oh I see. If one sees design, one just calls it the illusion of design in order to not consider the possibility of a designer.
@@averywealthyman4194 you write off the obviously designed systems as the "illusion of design". Your high priest scientists have all the answers that you repeat without question. Instead of saying you are not sure or do not know, you accept the unproven and just tell yourself your science hasn't fully explained it yet.
@RadioTSM {Operator Teddy Timis} Sounds like your hatred of God and or religion has clouded your ability to see all the options on how we might have gotten here. Actually a designer doesn't have to be God, it could be aliens or a simulation or many other possibilities so you referencing the bible does nothing to prove 1. evolution has real problems with credible evidence 2. that living systems appear to be designed.
I am surprized steve didn't just tell him at the beginning: well the "only one argument is enough" works both ways, if we find one argument that earth is older than 6000, than you are wrong.
"I've read the bible for 50 years, and I haven't found any contradictions"
Wow
Can you point one out?
@@anonymous3174 Basically all of Genesis 8.
Genesis 8:4 says "And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat." but the next sentence, Genesis 8:5 says the mountains weren't even visible until the 10th month- "And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen."
Genesis 8:13 says that "in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth" but Genesis 8:14 says it wasn't until "the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried."
@@anonymous3174you’re obviously not familiar with the Bible.
I read it one time, as the Coran or the Torah, and in each of these fairy tales books, you can find many, many, many mistakes (historics, scientifics, etc, etc...) they are only fairy tales books written by people 2000 years ago (who know nothing) , books who are now still dramatically believed by credulous or just dumb people. But let's go, still believe in your 2000 years ago Harry Potter....
Sorry for my poor English, it is not my mother tongue.
@@anonymous3174so when Noah’s ark was created and the flood happened did it cover all the land on earth. I would also like to point out that the tallest point on earth is over 29,000 feet which means in 40 days and nights it would need to rain 340 inches an hour. I don’t think that would make sense.
Kent is so patronizing, "pacifier from a baby" "frog to a prince" he can't prove his point so he uses veiled insults
he used the same words with professor dave
It's absolute pathetic he is being explicitly derogatory with his over simplistic and absolutely patronisingly stupid straw man. Nobody and I mean nobody is arguing that a frog evolved into a human
That's why he says he can't find anyone to debate because he isn't debating, he uses ad hominem attacks and countless fallacies.
ichew gum
My apologies, but you are absolutely incorrect. Evolution, while stating that most things *PROBABLY* have a common ancestor, the theory has never stated that that ancestor is a rock.
@ichew gum alright first of all, NOWHERE does the theory of evolution EVER state ANYTHING at all about the origins of life and the universe. second of all, we DID NOT come from rocks. in the early earth, ROCK was not the only stuff that was there to begin with. there was ROCK, METAL, and GAS, NOT JUST ROCK. so when you go and say "EvoLUTionIStS SaY We CaME frOM rOcKs thO!" you're making a massive, massive misrepresentation of what the theory is all about, because nothing is stated about the origin of life or the universe OR THE EARTH, for that matter, and even then, you completely miss the mark on the composition of the early earth in your ham-fisted attempt to "DISPROOVE EVOLUSHUN" with irrational and anti-scientific rhetoric and broken logic.
“It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person,
but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person.”
@saber Kent is either stupid or a grifter.
@saber One believes studies and readings verified by multiple different sources and generally understood in the scientific field by 1000's of people, the other believes what was written in a 2,000 year old book which also justifies slavery and substantiates it's claims with nothing other than the book itself.
@saber I don't know what you mean by consensus meaning nothing, but science provides theories that can be reproduced and re-proven by anyone who understands the methods and how to analyse the results. Therefore science isn't based in faith because you can, for yourself, verify facts stated by scientists if you wish to do so.
The bible, however, requires that you undeniably believe everything stated without being able to confirm it yourself in any way other than reading said bible, which is essentially a cyclical argument and leads no where.
My point about slavery was that if you're going to point to the bible in reference to certain proofs, I'll reference it to point out incorrect things in it in order to 'disprove' it. Ephesians 6:5-8 Paul states, “Slaves, be obedient to your human masters with fear and trembling, in sincerity of heart, as to Christ” literally telling slaves to be obedient to their masters, which is written in the same book you say should have every word taken literally and not questioned. So I ask, do you think slaves should be obedient to their masters and fear them?
The use of slavery in Africa and Asia is a result of the lack of law enforcement or regulations put in place by their governments, and I'm not going to argue if one religion is better than any other because I don't believe in any of them.
@saber Yeah, except now is the only time in history when religion has been separated from state and governance - every other time in history, which you admit was worse than it is now, religion was essentially doctrine and the state was ruled by religion. The most wars fought in recorded history and most deaths in recorded history were due to unbridled faith in religion, by far the MOST ruthless of which being Christianity.
@saber Ok, please explain how 'evolution' has caused anything within the past 100 years lmao. I don't think you even know what evolution is based on what you just said. Could you also explain how Christians made the world better? Christians actively suppressed scientific progress, saying it was 'defying god', sentencing people like Galileo to life in prison for his Heresy. The people killed by Hitler in the holocaust and the people who died in both world wars is incomparable to the number of people who have died to inquisitions and wars ordered by the catholic church.
Shannon was the best moderator on one of these debates thus far. By a mile, too.
One of the other moderators on here, during a particularly unproductive flat earth debate, actually said it _wasn't his job_ to moderate if the participants wanted to have a "dumpster fire" of repetition and talking over each other -- and that's what they had... for hours.
This one was refreshingly spot-on, which is surprising considered Kent was involved.
Noticed how she went back to a really good point, rephrased it, and presented it to Kent? But then the other moderator basically said it was too confrontational, even though it was just a fair “hard reporter question”.
@@Cuptial-ev9tb i get where James was coming from with wanting to maintain the appearance of neutrality. But yeah, she put kent in the hot seat for sure
@@Cuptial-ev9tbHe always does that specifically for Kent because he knows Kent is a baby who'll never come back if he's allowed to be disproven.
Incorrect. At one point she attacked Ken unprovoked. Completely unprofessional/ she acted like a volatile emotional female. Another read why women shouldn’t be in positions of power and leadership over men. They simply can’t handle it.
@@AmericanWithTheTruth Yes. After Kent belittled and insulted her several times prior to that and disrespected her ability to moderate😭
"You guys like to imagine..." literally believes in god
In christian god.
Believing in existence of a supreme intelligence is one thing but that is not what hovind believes. He believes in a particular creator from particular mythology who for some reason is really obsessed with blood.
@@jakubmike5657 it really isn't.. there is no evidence of supreme intelligence.. if there is then explain what qualifies
@@kellyrankin8844 *your opponent has left the match*
@@kellyrankin8844 It is a thing that cannot really be disproven. Like brain in the jar thought experiment. If someone believed it ( or entertain it as a possibility) it is very different to belief in a particular maker.
@@jakubmike5657 "It is a thing that cannot really be disproven."
How does not being able to disprove something, prove or even justify it's existence?
Knowing such people still exist doesn't take away the complete disbelieve when I hear his opening statement.
Timo Kerremans you mean 6000?
@@lukelagopus check the scouter again!
Vegeta: it is OVER 6000!!
Kent: Actually scouters were proved to be wrong before so you really cannot rely on them to measure power levels.
If evolution is real, then why hasn't his powerpoint evolved to display actual facts.
someone should talk to him about the California ground squirrel and the pacific rattlesnake snice they are in an evolutionary arms race. the squirrel is get more resistant to the snake venom and the snake is getting more potent venom
@@Spikeygal Do not speak that cursed name here.
I confess that tickles me for some reason...
@@Overton_Windows Good, I can tickle you anytime, babey ;))
we can just theorize things which are above our comprehension.
Props to you destiny for not resulting to the fallacies of ad hominem or appeal to popularity. You're the first I have seen to debate Kent Honvind and not do so. Good job man on letting the truth do the talking as opposed to your emotion.
I agree but to a certain point you need to do so with a guy like this. He’s a felon for tax fraud, a kid has drowned at his little adventure land bs, he has had multiple illegal marriages, and one of them he was convicted of domestic violence and went to jail. Not to mention that there is a recording of him possibly physically abusing and berating one of those wives. You can debate the facts all you want with someone like Kent, but at the end of the day he is putting forth pseudoscience and is overall a pos person.
This Kent guy's argument for the Earth being 6,000 years old is solely based on a high school physics formula? Jesus Christ.
worst part is he's got the principle's outcome completely backwards and doesn't realize it hurts his argument lol
I cringed when he said gases couldn’t compress to form stars because of Boyle’s law.
@@Mugen_YG If only we could send this guy back in time 400 years to debate Kepler instead of Destiny
@@97bking message in paper:
Kepler destroyed hovind with facts and logic.
mma4ever yes, what is true, is true, 2+2 has always been 4 so, does not matter what formula you use as long as it is right !
destiny: animal without backbone
chat: dave rubin
Chat is the real MVP from this debate reading it is always a clusterfuck of absolute gold
Lol it's funny because the Bible calls homosexuals beasts 😂
@@Ricky_Evans1611
What an insult to beasts
It should be illegal in any developed country that this dude was a teacher.
THIS IS AMERICA.
Pretty sure the Bible belt is close to being a theocracy
Bible Belt basically follows Sharia Law
Reading around that he homeschooled religious kids and basically uses that to call himself a teacher even though he has no actually qualifications or formal education for teaching
Kent is lying about working as a high school science teacher for 15 years. He actually taught private classes run in the back of churches for less than 11 years total.
It's ironic because he has done illegal things in the past. He was in jail for 10 years due to not paying his taxes.
Coming back to this after finding out he assaulted his wife and was imprisoned for tax fraud makes this so much funnier LOL
What’s funny is seeing this as proof nothing he says is relevant. A lot of credible atheists are frauds rapists murderers. Etc that dosent make what they said less credible. It just makes them as a person less respected and very very messed up.
Fast forward to present day: Kent's being looked at for aiding and abeting a child molester. So Christian.
WHAT 😂😂😂
"God" told Kent to do that... 😂
LMFAO
How can the earth be 6,000 years old if Hovind took 30,000 years to make his slide show?
TEMPEST4k MAGIC! 🤯
Temp Great comment. This fake Ph.D. is so funny!
Like the bigbang right ? Your sienctists tells you 30millions year ago a bigbang pupipuup really ?
@@jiriangills5867 Jirian..Have no idea what you wrote. Read more books and also study English! It's simple...like your brain! Checkmate. U lose..I win again!
@@davewilliams5102 those book of school/NASA(television)the big bang that youve been thought what else ? All those bs talk about 'space' that you believe is what i allready know...nothing new but more bs..... Im beyond mr.William en probeer mijn taal eens 😉
"Why isn't there a desert bigger than the Sahara?"
There is, Ken. It's named "Antarctica."
But most people don't see Antarctica as a desert. They think a desert is supposed to be a Barren Wasteland that's hot as hell. They don't understand that a desert is essentially a landmass that contains little to no life and isn't inherently suited for life.
@@cosmicfang1864 Well the Sahara contains a decent amount of life, which proves the argument of evolution even more because species couldn't live there if they didn't evolve.
On the age of the earth looking at the movement of the moon
I dont necessarily agree with Hovind on some of his arguments but I think his opponents have no idea what the inverse square law implies. Recall Gravity F= G m1 x m2/r2 such that the force is inversely proportional to the square of the distance apart.. When a body such as a satellite falls to earth, it accelerates. The time taken to fall the 2nd half of the distance will be much much shorter than the 1st. Conversely that force decreases as the distance between two bodies increases (deceleration) hence the earth's gravitational pull on the moon is less the further away it gets. Ergo, one would deduce that its movement is slowing as the rate decreases. There may be several other factors, but I think the point is valid that rate of separation is slowing exponentially as the gravitational force decreases. Hovind's point that the moon could have been far closer to earth less than a billion years ago which would have had devastating affect on climate such as tide levels and other extreme weather events.
A desert is not defined by the temperature or the number of life there. In general, an area is defined as a desert by the annual amount of rain an area get
Can anyone explain to me what a snow Burns .
Or why do we use dry ice .
Kent - “Dumb lol”
Also Kent - *”The Bible proves the Bible.”*
Luke 12:20-21 (KJV) But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.
@@AgratAlmighty9815 The bible proves the bible, once again LMFAO
@@AgratAlmighty9815 "He Who is religious is wrong" - Me Who Wrote This Down On A Piece Of Paper = Therefor I Am Right (Logic)
Holy cow, when Destiny dropped the bomb that the thing that Kent kept going on about for the entire video was a misrepresentation of their paper I nearly died lol.
And then Kent drastically looks through his power point to mis prove it 😂
That dude brain washed me as a kid. When to one of his seminars. He went to jail for tax evasion.
Ken Ham brainwashed me as a kid, so I feel you.
That's fucked. And he says evolution is somehow a religion and somehow dangerous lmfao
People like him are a danger to society and partly the reason we got braindead kids in adult bodies denying basic science like covid. Imagine trying to explain dinosaurs, the formation of the earth or anything that requires more than 10 braincells to these people
@@ekay4495 Can I get an Amen!!!
@@ekay4495 - Conformity is great! If one doesn't conform they'll be struck down by the Covid.
This debate was strangely nostalgic. Since I used to watch things like this during the height of TH-cam atheism back in the day, I haven’t heard these insane talking points coming from Kent Hovind in a long while. It’s like my adolescent brain crept back up as soon as the 2:nd law of thermodynamics was mentioned and I couldn’t help but smile reminiscing of a wierd time in TH-cam history.
Agreed! Thanks for sharing your reaction :)
Haha...i used to watch ted the atheist. It was very entertaining!
The Amazing Atheist was my shit back in the day. Bring back the edgelord atheists, it was fun lol
it's just a shame that Destiny didn't know the science details that debunk Kent's points instantly. I'm watching it for the first time and I expected a massacre but oh well.
His talking points drives me up a fucking wall cause Astrophysics is my field of interest next to Computer Science. His complete lack of understanding of simple astrophysics is both laughable and infuriating due to how he twists it to fit his own worldview. He NEEDS humans to be special inherently, he NEEDS there to be life after death, it's at the core an emotional argument. Christians fear the void the most.
Kent should focus on paying his taxes instead of spouting BS.
He's the DSP of crackpot Jesus theory
Male Tears I’m not familiar with DSP. Is he dspstanky from overwatch? Or just some conservative troll?
@@Southboundpachyderm I think he's referring to Dark Side Phil
Respectfully use his full academic title please.
Kent E. Hovind, Inmate #06452-017 😏
@Max Hines It's a statement that requires the viewer/listener to take into account the speaker and their credibility. If the speaker is willing to lie (tax evasion) for the benefit of the wallet, where else should their credibility be questioned? If a Christian is taking their morality from the Ultimate Source, we should expect them to follow the laws of the land. Ad hominems aren't necessarily a fallacy.
When he said that there are two ways to answer the question about how old is the Earth and then said there is a Biblical answer and a scientific one, that just says to me that there’s only one way to actually answer the question.
Kent: The moon is 1 billion years old therefore your argument is incorrect.
Also Kent: The Earth is 6000 years old because the bible says so.
Me: ????????
Kent: Because inverse square law.
I feel like Destiny and the questioners kept getting mixed up on that. His argument wasnt that the moon was a billion years old. It was that the moon had to be less than a billion years old. Basically, he was saying that concept made more sense in a 6000 year old earth scenario than a scenario that's billions of years old.
I haven't watched the video yet, but if I had to guess, I'd guess he's saying "by that logic, the moon is only a billion years old"
@@davidanderson6055 His argument was bunk, so who cares. Destiny countered right.
The moon is yeeting away from the earth. Checkmate atheists.
I just learned this word "yeet", good one. I'm crying.
5 cm a year monkaW
This one made me laugh out loud. Thanks
ya and if it's already yeeting away from the earth and the force tying it to the earth has an inverse square relationship with the earth, and the force tying it to the earth is getting weaker, that means it must be slowing down, yahtzee - Yeetsus
the sun is 4.6 billions years old they usually supernova about 5 billion or become a dwarf star so earth will die at some point.
with no sun goodbye earth but i still think humans will do that well before.
Destiny was owed a steak dinner in this debate.
I agree, Hovind needs to take some critical thinking courses. It's painful hearing his poorly reasoned arguments over and over again.
Also, great math on that steak dinner bet dr. dino....spend $500 to do a lab test and win a $75 steak dinner....
@@MrMusashiMusashi wait who?
@@MrMusashiMusashi Sorry, but the math is: $500 for each test, times 5. That's a $2425 steak dinner. lol
@@icin4d wow, it was $500 PER test? Even worse then lol
Kent Hovin logic: "So this makes it impossible for creation to be older than 6,000 years...." - Proceeds to point at a galaxy that took the light from there tens of millions of years to reach us 😂
He got super defensive when asked about his PhD. They shoulda asked this fraud about his time in jail.
Hmm, you’ve peaked my interest
@@farsight6680 willfully ignored paying taxes
Destiny isn't Cenk from TYT so I'm glad he didn't.
Yeah, considering people with a PhD sink so many years of work into their thesis... I'm guessing you would be proud to show it off. But, I guess that wasn't relevant to the conversation? Lol.
@@jonporter1233 his phd is in Christian education, so what most people wouldn't describe as a phd.
If this guy taught in highschool for 15 years I now understand why the American education system is failing
Yeah but it was at "christian" schools based on his pseudoscience shit
@@A.B.3103 isn't "america" a Christian country?
@@TheArtis4n Nope. You’ll hear Christian’s say it though..
He really didn't. The american school system is still worrying though
He has no teaching certifications and no legitimate degrees. He claims a PhD from a diploma mill with zero faculty that was run out of a single wide trailer though.
I have never heard someone so condescending about being wrong.
He really loves that moon thing, just keeeeps going back there.
He's a grifter and it's making him good money
throwaway account The Dunning-Kruger effect just says that uninformed people will think they know more than they do. Not that they will be condescending.
@Michael Whitewolf So how is not believing in a claim that has no evidence behind it dogmatic?
@Michael Whitewolf yeah no, it means that one does not have the belief in a god. It does not necessarily mean that one has there are no gods. So better get that fact straight, cuz they are not the same position. And if a god was to exist then he would indeed be able to be tested, since it would be part of the observable universe as well.
@Michael Whitewolf and I'm not piggybacking on anything since atheism and agnostism deal with two different things.
kent beat his wife
Weirdo fundamentalist Bible thumpers usually do
This debate was literally just the Hovind show. He made huge claims and rambled on and nothing happens. I would be so frustrated to debate against this "kind" of human
I see what you did there xD
I assume you watched Aron Ra rip Hovind to pieces?
@@Rezinstance I watched this debate posted by the hosts' channel before this was uploaded
@@grovenn So did I, hwoever Hovind didn't really delve into his 'kind' arguments (thank fuck)
Kent's mic makes him sound like a Sega Genesis sample lol
Kent Hovind: "evolution is a fairy tale made up for grown ups"
Also Kent Hovind: "Dinosaurs are immortal and they never stopped growing, we lived with them on the earth. An Apatosaurus might live in the Amazon and they all just so happened to die when smartphones were invented......"
Fun Fact: The apatosaurus thing is mokele-mbemebe, a congolese legend that in 2001, a group of Bayaka pygmies were shown a book of illustrated animal life and they identified mokele-mbemebe as a rhino
Kent's ability to debate while experiencing heavy cognitive dissonance is quite impressive
I love destiny’s ability to construct arguments off of non-sequiturs. He even creates an argument FOR his opponent, which usually goes over their head.
I'm not sure how much Destiny was doing it in this era, but one of my favorite things about Destiny is he likes to steelman his opponent's argument (that is, the strongest version of their argument possible), and then attack that. Done correctly it makes his response irrefutable by rational means, and people have to turn to emotional or personal attacks to have any chance of victory.
It's similar in principle to a legal process for a "motion to dismiss" - the judge looks at the plaintiff's case and assumes for the sake of dismissal that everything the plaintiff said is 100% true - it's like they went through court and proved everything they wanted to prove. Then the judge looks at the law, and if the law says the defendant is right, then the judge dismisses the case, because there's absolutely nothing the plaintiff can do to win. You don't have to discuss anything, because the plaintiff just loses no matter what.
@@jeffwells641 you're 100% correct. It's really entertaining to listen to lol
@@jeffwells641 Yeah steelmanning is such a breath of fresh air, when you get people like Vaush who strawman like their life depends on it. The other one Destiny is good at is arguing the meaning of what someone says and not JUST the words they say. So many people are either nitpicky bitches who throw out a whole argument because you used 1 wrong word, or use doublespeak of saying something like "We can agree my videos are entertainment, right?", while the words might be true, the implication is "And so I can say anything and claim it is a joke, and should never be held to standards I set out", and Destiny is good at replying like "Yes, but they still have a narrative" to pin the implication instead of just the semantics.
Can you give an excample?
@@Winasaurus U know, with that comment, you come off as driven by your bias yet convinced of your ovjectivity? The simping for destiny isn't too wierd because of the topic of this thread, but, the non-sequitor attack on voosh says a lot about DGG and your affiliations. There wasn't even a lazy example or comparable that you bothered to use to tie the insult into the discourse. Just a random, 3rd person, spiteful, passive-aggressive aspersion that flowed naturally from your mentality but doesn't flow with the discussion. It's dad your YT dad's got divorced. But I'm saying, try and comport yourself with dignity, still. You're drinking kool-aid, man.
Like, I bet you think hasan buying a house was hypocrisy somehow, don't you?
Kent living proof of the Dunning Kruger effect.
I petition that we rename it "Kent Hovind Syndrome".
@@Ragitsu He doesn't deserve to have his name attached to anything that will outlive him
@@user-zb8tq5pr4x Fair enough.
Honestly I think it's more manipulation tactics than anything else. He has to find new ways of saying the same thing over and over again, I'd wager part of his illusion of truth. If he wavers on what he says too much then his own followers might have that one single question that typically ruins the illusions. If you look at him as a manipulator and not ignorant he's very smart. Why do you think he's always shouting that the moderators are not fair and balanced? It's so he can claim that christians are being cast down for one reason or another. I think it's also why he brings up how bad flat earth is from time to time despite the arguments being on the same level. It seems more to me like he wants people out there insulting him so he has fuel to give to his followers. That is my thought on him at least. Remember he was able and willing to do tax evasion.
@@ForgedinPrint Ah, yes: the "persecution strategy".
For a guy who taught high school physics he’s completely forgetting the counter example to the inverse square law with planets, that being the conservation of energy. As the moon gets closer to the earth it will speed up as a result of converting potential energy into momentum
Why doesn’t that apply to satellites or meteors?
Edit- Or does it? Genuinely curious.
@@jontay4199 it applies to any rotating system. It’s the classic example of an ice scatter who is spinning pulling in their legs and rotating faster and vice versa. As you move closer to the body you orbit your velocity increases and while energy is conserved potential energy is converted to rotational energy
Whenever someone debates Kent, they always make the same mistakes. Saying scientific facts, and actually answering Kent’s questions. Kent can’t understand science, and neither can most (if not all) of his followers. Kent’s questions are ALWAYS stupid, so why answer them? Instead of talking about real science, tear apart the bible, because that’s his only “evidence” for his belief.
Just stupid your comment. Kent is a dr. he is a academic. Is in his knowledge much more instead of you kids. It is so stupid to think as a normal person without analysis to say you are smarter than him.
That's why they've taken the bible out of the debates.
They try to claim the bible described the universe and knowledge as we know it today, when it doesn't.
*So to prevent comparisons!*
They never speak of how the bible explains Scientific Discoveries and Phenomena Of Nature.
*They'll never get past the Earth being formed before the sun.*
@@denistrumic4161 well ok, I’ll humour you. Kent has gone to prison for felony tax evasion/fraud, I forgot which one specifically. He continually lies to everybody to push his narrative. Despite me saying in my first comment “Kent can’t understand science,” I think he actually does, but instead of recognizing science as truthful, he lies more to everybody. Kent is NOT a doctor. He faked his doctorate (if he even has one). You can check for yourself online for his “doctorate.” He is a professional con man, and a bad one at that. Seeing as he’s lost every debate he’s ever done, because he just repeated the same stupid lines over and over for multiple decades. Kent is an idiot, and a waste of life. He’s a cockroach, and you’re feeding him. He sponges off of his followers by saying what they want to hear, and because of that, he doesn’t have to pay any taxes on the millions he makes.
@Jack Francis that’s exactly what I meant by my original comment. The bible says the earth is flat, we can disprove that. Even if there were no scientific errors in the bible, that god is disgusting. Then there’s the moral arguments against the bible. For example, when god sent 2 bears to maul 42 children for making fun of a bald man, but then people say “god is the perfect standard of good in the universe.” I haven’t murdered any children, so by definition I am more moral than god.
@@benderisgreat5059 where in the Bible does it say that.
Super glad Destiny grew out the rest of his beard he looks way better
Too many guys donning goatees. definitely a breath of fresh air.
yeah it fits his jawline better.
Yeah he’s hella cute.
yea I guess Steve won the debate but he probably didn't need to say the n word 49 times
Nightman?
Stevethony Bonneltano
Every kent hovind debate should be called, “How to show people that you dont understand science without knowing it.”
I've watched this video like 3 times now. Destiny has more patience than anyone I've ever seen
Did you not see Destiny completely fly off the handle when he was...calmly reading a scientific study?
@@Tamachan87 by reading you mean dishonestly misrepresenting?
I feel worse for him the more i watch. Kent is so stupid it hurts.
@@deebo429__ he's also actually a really bad person. He was arrested for physically abusing his wife last month (July 2021).
@@tremolo2109 was also arrested for tax shit before iirc
It's so damn hard to debate people who take a scientific concept and just twist it to fit their ideology. It's basically just like trying to debate a flat earther, not worth it.
Yeah agreed, i wish a real scientist specialized in this area could debate these people (probably a waste of their valuable time) and show them how they dont understand the science they have twisted to their own purposes.
This guy taught high school physics... we really need to invest in education
It was not in a proper school thank god, but yeah more investments in education is definitely needed.
this is what ur taught in catholic school
At least he taught the truth and spreading the lies of evolution. Prove a bird can evolve into a lizard..can't..??? Hummmmm. done, mic drop.
Charles Rollins It was lizards that evolved into birds.
But then we risk funding more Kent Hovinds! No more eduction, it's to dangerous.
Thanks very much Kent Hovind, Look forward to a future debate. Thanks for adding to our knowledge and for your honest opinions!
The Kent hovid fans are saying destiny got crucified in this debate.
Grchman as a destiny fan, I’d say both of them sounded dumb as fuck. He shouldn’t debate science.
@@BeetleHunter really? Destiny sounded dumb? Destiny sounded pretty grounded, saying a couple times that the orbit of the moon is very complicated and not something they should be debating probably. He kept asking for any proof apart from the Bible that the Earth was only 6000 years old, and Kevin said nothing every time. It was kinda cringy.
Yes, he sacrificed his time debating this buffoon
Destiny did pretty poorly. He had the right arguments, but didn't pin them down, and he lost good opportunities to counter (Pascal's Wager, really?)
Anyway, you need to do exceptionally well with a rational argument for it to actually register with a religious mind, if it goes in any way against their beliefs.
@@joelikesthings They both said nothing. saying the moon is complicated isnt compelling me to believe that the moon is billions of years old. Debunking the other side isnt the same as supporting your side. Both sides were cringy. Both sides knew nothing.