Ubuntu going Wayland for NVIDIA, Firefox's Future, GNOME 5 Year Strat & more Linux news
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:29 Ubuntu 24.10 Wayland Default for NVidia
04:13 GNOME 5 Year Strategy
08:17 Future of Mozilla Firefox
12:10 Sponsored by LINBIT
12:57 Fedora Approves New Miracle Spin
14:50 Alpine Linux 3.20 Released
16:03 MX Linux 23.3 Released
17:07 IceWM 3.5 Released
18:46 HandBrake 1.8 Released
19:50 Atari buys Intellivision
21:40 Outro
SHOW NOTES ►► thisweekinlinux.com/264
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- Ubuntu 24.10 Wayland Default for NVidia
- discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu...
- www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/05/u...
- www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/05/s...
- www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/05/u...
- GNOME 5 Year Strategy
- foundation.gnome.org/2024/05/...
- foundation.gnome.org/strategi...
- Future of Mozilla Firefox
- connect.mozilla.org/t5/discus...
- www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2024/05/m...
- Fedora Approves New Miracle Spin
- fedoraproject.org/wiki/Change...
- www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-...
- Alpine Linux 3.20 Released
- alpinelinux.org
- alpinelinux.org/posts/Alpine-...
- www.phoronix.com/news/Alpine-...
- MX Linux 23.3 Released
- mxlinux.org/blog/mx-23-3-libr...
- IceWM 3.5 Released
- github.com/ice-wm/icewm/relea...
- 9to5linux.com/icewm-3-5-light...
- HandBrake 1.8 Released
- github.com/HandBrake/HandBrak...
- 9to5linux.com/handbrake-1-8-v...
- Atari buys Intellivision
- atari.com/blogs/newsroom/atar...
- www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/05...
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Oh my god, Tab grouping in Firefox, FINALLY? After all these years? It's literally the one thing that makes me look at Vivaldi or other browsers that have it, with envious eyes.
The snap’s role in the Ubuntu ecosystem was to get me to switch to another distro. They were really lagging me out. 😣
Just remove and block snap
@@101kawsar I changed distro in the end. I’m currently hopping and trying to see what is best for me, tried fedora, Zorin and wanted to try mint 🙂I can’t help but notice many distros make a big point of letting you know they don’t use snap 🤣
@@101kawsar you are totally right 👍, but aren't there lighter, efficient and well maintained distributions of Linux out there...???
E.G.: LMDE or even Testing Debían, normal Mint or something of that sort and type..? 😀👋✌️
@@benygh911 ZoRiN OS
Funny that the Gnome Foundation wants to give users more power when the Gnome devs seem to constantly take away power from their users...
If you mean that it's less configurable, I agree, but in terms of software freedom, I'd say that you would be more free on Gnome than with 90% of the desktop offerings out there.
In spite of it's configuration shortcomings, Gnome great choice for a DE in my mind ux wise :)
I only wish that they played a little nicer with supporting new Wayland protocol extensions (*cough cough* server side window decoration).
@@chriss3404 GNOME would be great if they had a system for extensions that didn't break every other update. That's the main barrier to customization.
GNOME's Activities Overview is the most unique thing it has going for it. Unless Cosmic has done something similar, no other DE has that level of functionality in their knock-off versions.
Currently working with Hyprland, but Wayfire remains my favorite. It's a very close second to GNOME for my workflow, and I don't need to install any extensions. The 2d grid for workspaces and window snapping are just built-in. Also, it has *cube.*
Software doesn't need to be all things to all people. Personally, I love the "one way of doing things" opinionated-ness of Gnome and it's the only Linux DE I can stand to use.
@@chriss3404 They're still open source proponents at the end of the day, true. But especially their almost toxic stance on supporting Linux as a whole, especially when they're the only ones who are at fault for slowing things down, for everybody else that's inexcusable to me.
Apart from that, I do not like their approach to UI one bit.
@@asystole_ I get that, and if that were the onle thing they're doing, I wouldn't mind. But with their current mindset, they're actively hurting or at least slowing down necessary developments or making it harder for developers to find a solution to still run okay on Gnome. And that goes against everything that open source is supposed to stand for.
"Atari" kind of isn't. It's a brand that's changed hands so many times that it's unrecognizable at this point. Intellivision less so, but it too is just a brand now. What's left of Infogrammes is now largely a holding company looking to snap up disused properties, farm out development work, and hope that one of these nostalgia buys will somehow make it big. It's sadly been kind of hollow and soulless, so I'm actually kind of sad to see them snap up even more.
Great hopes for Firefox… we _need_ a non-Chrome browser to be successful. It's critically important at this point, because Google cannot be allowed to de facto OWN THE INTERNET, and they're 86% of the way there right now.
Informative and entertaining, as always. Thank you!
Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it 😎👍
Gnome used to be the go-to about 10 years ago... KDE Plasma pretty much stomps all over it these days.
oh... so gnome are now ideologically captured by the DIE, good to know ty
First they hire a shaman, then they go full DEI. No wonder why they said they were running out of money.
@lildarker4044 Yup also means no white, straight men need apply.
They have been for decades. Running out of money while supporting "diversity" isn't a new thing for them.
@@miller42 sad am i right, i stopped supporting mozilla for the exact same reason, shame shame shame
@@lildarker4044 I can't wait to hear your justification that an ad company running the web is better than whatever boogeyman you made up in your head.
I discovered mx linux recently and will never go back to windows
👍
That isn't "The Atari You Remember/Your Atari." It's a soulless husk seeking to the fill the void where it's heart used to be with nostalgia laced acquisitions in the hopes of -suckering- persuading those with fond memories into giving them money.
The gnews thing gets me every time. It's genius!
I would want one of those roadmaps from wine
Did TH-cam mess up setting the title and thumbnail?
Yes, thanks for reporting. I fixed it
Instructions unclear, smashed the bell
I don't understand the point of the “diversity”.
Shouldn't taking people based on merit be the sensible thing ?
Just take people in based on their skills and that's enough. That would automatically invite diversity since there is no discrimination while selecting team members. You don't have to intentionally pick people just for the sake of diversity.Not being discriminatory is enough.
The point of diversity is to enlarge and widen the community and include underrepresented groups. Many capable people might not have come in contact with the open source world. If you search more them more actively and have an open and welcoming community it benefits all.
@@archip8021 The point of "diversity" as you say, is not diversity. It's arbitrary and unfair, top-down choices not based on merit in order to appease external agents that couldn't care less about the product or the community. There's, by definition, no barrier to start contributing to a open source project. What you support, apparently and hopefully by ignorance, is not about including, but about excluding. It's a zero-sum mentality game that will make losers of us all. Don't get fooled by the kind and fancy language, there's nothing kind or inclusive about it.
@@octopusonfire100 there's massive barriers. not everyone is welcomed (i've seen it before when women wanted to contribute, online but also at an office job), not everyone is physically able to use linux (lacking accessibility features for the disabled). in some parts of the world its uncommon to get into the space (under-developed countries). etc. any initiatives to actively address these kinds of issues are great in my book.
@@archip8021 If that is what they are actually trying to do then that is great but I don't trust anything (people or companies) anymore that uses that kind of language when trying to start and initiative to push others out and bring others in. just like that anecdotal woman of yours they will do that to others just a bully of a different kind really.
100% people keep on acting like we live in meritocracy and that’s been taken away, the thing is it’s a fictional history these people are believing in and just ideology that’s not based in reality.
Wow… guess I’m really going to be moving away from Gnome. Not interested in worshiping at the DEI altar.
I would like to see the GNOME project dissolve itself. Not just because they develop the worst DE in all of computing, but because they are now focused on DEI and identity politics.
I do agree the time of atari was the "golden age of gaming" since there was none of this anti-cheat bs or the obsesive need to violate user privacy to harvest any and all data off of them by masking it as "for security" with mandatory logins and online connections. Games were good until online multiplayer became a thing, from there on games steadily got worse instead of better.
I always encrypt using twil264
Did I hear right? Has DEI politics infiltrated Gnome?.......
Sweet Baby has entered the chat.
It is pretty much everywhere. In this case they want to "train" developers to group think and push their narrative.
Then it’s bye bye Gnome for me.
The beginning of the end.
DEI infiltrated Linux a long time ago when "Coraline" forced his Code of Conduct into everything.
I for one welcome GNOME's strategy. Improving accessibility and widening the user base is unequivocally good news on my watch.
That's not what they are doing with that "strategy" .
Get woke get broke.
The way I vaguely understand "woke" is as something akin to "aware of social injustices pertaining race/gender/sexual orientation/class/disability/etc". Far from a bad or even controversial thing, just the lowest bar of decency. But I am admittedly not very familiar with the politics and overall cultural zeitgeist of the US, which is where I think the term comes from, so my interpretation could be wrong in this context.
@@hindigenteFor the most part, you're right. However, like most cultural movements that help to represent underprivileged people, it gets co-opted by corporations who pretend to be woke.
That being said, the people complaining about this are full of it. They suffer from the myth that, before diversity was a thing, meritocracy was running the show.
@@MrGamelover23 that is very true. I think most people have grown cynical of brands that paint rainbow colours on their logos or display all sorts of awareness ribbons on their social media profiles since early 2010s.
I am slightly more hopeful for GNOME, though, as they have a history of caring about accessibility (well, at least more so than other DEs) before their recent upsurge in investments and ensuing renewed strategy. It is hopefully not too naive to believe their stance in other "inclusiveness" fronts (in lack of a better term) is similarly reasonable.
Well, of course they are going to flourish their public announcements like any corporation would. What I mean is that at the end of the day, a net positive for GNOME and the overall state of Linux' DEs is to be expected.
not focusing on merit will result in dumber programmers and a worse project.
Michael, risc-v is not an architecture it's an ISA
I would bet $1 (that's my betting limit) he means it as a category of architectures, if that makes sense
What's the difference? As a novice, I always thought these two terms meant the same thing
Well, technically, ISA is Instruction Set Architecture....
Glad i don't use nome with a g.
_Gnome woke..???_ "Gnome Broke...!!!*
😜🤣😜🤣
Oooh, you'd better not touch my Firefox containers.
Just hire the people that are best suited for the job. The color of their skin shouldn't matter. Sick of this bs.
You're right, it shouldn't matter, and yet, if your name sounds too black, you're more likely to be rejected, regardless of qualifications, and we're sick of this BS.
I'm all for open source, but this forced identity politics....choosing by gender, orientation and race rather than who's best for the job, we need coders not activist!
Plenty of equally qualified people get overlooked because they aren't straight white men. Meritocracy was always foiled by social biases.
The one thing missing from open source software was DEI, love to see it. Truly a Gnome moment, an organization full of know-it-all's decide to empower random people for no apparent reason.
But hey, maybe Blackrock or Vanguard may invest now!
DEI Crap, even on LINUX. Sad!
Dont call it a comeback, they've been here for years, wasting away, shareholders in tears.
So now Gnome is going woke? Maybe they will force us to chose our pronoun before installation.
Wayland is horrible. The code is absolutely crazy. To make a basic window and button in Xlib(like in Win32, or Mac OS) only takes literally a couple of lines of code. To the contrary in Wayland you need 50 lines or more of code. It's absolutely ridiculous.
Wayland, ironically will be the nail in the coffin of Desktop linux.
Is this based on App Development or DE Development?
@@michael_tunnell Here is some code to create a window and a button and listen to events in xlib
Bear in mind, this is code is almost 1 to 1 with the Microsoft win32 API, and also very similar to the
Mac OS carbon C++ API.
display = XOpenDisplay(NULL);
screen = DefaultScreen(display);
root_window = RootWindow(display, screen);
window = XCreateSimpleWindow(.....);
button = XCreateSimpleWindow(....);
XMapWindow(display, window);
while (1)
{ XNextEvent(display, &event);
....
}
XCloseDisplay(display);
Ok now let's look at the code necessary to do the same (very simple task) in Wayland..
static void pointer_handle_button(void *data, struct wl_pointer *wl_pointer, uint32_t serial,
uint32_t time, uint32_t button, uint32_t state) {
}
}
static void pointer_handle_enter(void *data, struct wl_pointer *wl_pointer, uint32_t serial,
struct wl_surface *surface, wl_fixed_t sx, wl_fixed_t sy) {
}
static void pointer_handle_leave(void *data, struct wl_pointer *wl_pointer, uint32_t serial,
struct wl_surface *surface) {
}
static void pointer_handle_motion(void *data, struct wl_pointer *wl_pointer, uint32_t time,
wl_fixed_t sx, wl_fixed_t sy) {
}
static void pointer_handle_axis(void *data, struct wl_pointer *wl_pointer, uint32_t time,
uint32_t axis, wl_fixed_t value) {
}
static const struct wl_pointer_listener pointer_listener = {
pointer_handle_enter,
pointer_handle_leave,
pointer_handle_motion,
pointer_handle_button,
pointer_handle_axis,
};
static void seat_handle_capabilities(void *data, struct wl_seat *seat, uint32_t caps) {
if (caps & WL_SEAT_CAPABILITY_POINTER) {
pointer = wl_seat_get_pointer(seat);
wl_pointer_add_listener(pointer, &pointer_listener, NULL);
}
}
static const struct wl_seat_listener seat_listener = {
seat_handle_capabilities,
};
static void global_registry_handler(void *data, struct wl_registry *registry, uint32_t id,
const char *interface, uint32_t version) {
if (strcmp(interface, wl_compositor_interface.name) == 0) {
compositor = wl_registry_bind(registry, id, &wl_compositor_interface, 1);
} else if (strcmp(interface, wl_shell_interface.name) == 0) {
shell = wl_registry_bind(registry, id, &wl_shell_interface, 1);
} else if (strcmp(interface, wl_seat_interface.name) == 0) {
seat = wl_registry_bind(registry, id, &wl_seat_interface, 1);
wl_seat_add_listener(seat, &seat_listener, NULL);
}
}
static void global_registry_remover(void *data, struct wl_registry *registry, uint32_t id) {
}
static const struct wl_registry_listener registry_listener = {
global_registry_handler,
global_registry_remover,
};
int main() {
display = wl_display_connect(NULL);
struct wl_registry *registry = wl_display_get_registry(display);
wl_registry_add_listener(registry, ®istry_listener, NULL);
wl_display_dispatch(display);
wl_display_roundtrip(display);
surface = wl_compositor_create_surface(compositor);
button_surface = wl_compositor_create_surface(compositor);
shell_surface = wl_shell_get_shell_surface(shell, surface);
wl_shell_surface_set_toplevel(shell_surface);
wl_surface_commit(surface);
wl_surface_commit(button_surface);
while (wl_display_dispatch(display) != -1) {
// Event handling is done in the callbacks
}
wl_display_disconnect(display);
return 0;
}
...not really intuitive code. But worse it is not even comparable to win32, nor Mac code.
The better route would have been to refactor X instead of inventing a verbose protocol that requires huge amounts of boiler plate code.
Diversity for diversity's sake kills all it touches.
Leave the politics out of business.
About Gnome and the new empowerment, here is when the meritocracy dies in favor of color of skin, and gender. But you can say it is r4s1st or heterofobic for example.
Miratocracy was always hampered by social biases. It's a myth.
The Gnome's foundation corpo mumbo-jumbo + the commie "5-year plan" stich put me on the lookout for another good DE for laptops.
DEI politics has a 100% chance of worsening your product, so better jump ship sooner than later.
Not a full desktop environment, but it's close: Wayfire is great.
It's got a customizable 2d workspace grid and window snapping by default.
Super convenient, easy to work with, and great for laptops.
you said like that smash button please correct your-self
It’s a joke and on purpose, no correction needed
What's with the teeth?
Don't you have teeth?
@@jamesvandamme7786 mine don't stick out my lower jaw like a bulldog.
I thought Firefox was well,💀☠? 🥲🤡🤨☺🤣
But you still use firefox Mike?
I use to, but gave up on it when videos on Reddit started studdering and lagging. The video would be behind the audio.
I have switched to Vivaldi, now that it offers FULL sync capabilities.
Vivaldi is funded by pure passion (and closed-source). Tile your tabs
That's like blaming Linux that Tim Sweeney refuses to support Fortnite on it. It's not Firefox's fault that nobody wants to support open web standards. Actually, it might be. I've heard that web development tools on Firefox suck compared to Chrome, but still, supporting only one major web browser is detrimental to, well, everything.