Halo Wars All Multiplayer Unit Tier List and Overview
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Halo Wars All Multiplayer Unit Tier List and Overview
Well everyone, Thank you for being patient. This took some time and effort but here is my biggest project to date. Hope you all enjoy. I go over every unit that is controllable in multiplayer, I rank them based on my opinion of their viability in competitive meta and also give a general overview
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Halo Wars Unit stats Spreadsheet
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Prima Official Halo Wars Guide
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Can you find the unit that is in the A.S.S Tier?
Shirley
Same here
Will you do one for halo wars 2?
Explanation on the grizzly.
The grizzly and scorpion in code are COMPLETLY different things. Yes their code is similar because it was obviously copy and pasted but they do not effect eachother or reference eachother at all.
All unit upgrades besides super units use type="Data" amount="1.25" subtype="Hitpoints" relativity="Percent"> unsc_veh_scorpion_01 This means that upgrades multiply based on the previous units stats. The scorpion is upgraded this way twice. The grizzly does not. It would be smart to have the grizzly use this code for its upgrade but instead it uses its own set of code for its stats. The difference between the two vehicles is the weapons they use as well as the math behind them. They use completely different types of math and as such end up coming very close in the same way that 5X6=30 (grizzly) and 4X4X2=32 (scorpion) are very close. A few extra details.
Canister shell code is missing 0 the 0 should be a 0.25 like the scorpion has.
Range code 60 the scorpion has 65 range
I'm sure there is much more but its not worth looking into because I can just change the grizzly's base stats and everything works like intended.
So the main reason is bad math and typos.
I mod the game heavily and am going to soon release a full game balance overhaul mod that makes the game super fun to play even in 2022 making each unit and hero viable and unique. MUCH better than the other mods on the mod www.moddb.com do in my opinion as they are are balance and buggy nightmares. The mod is based on PVE only because its not like PVP exists anymore anyway and the AI difficulty is much harder than vanilla with normal being around original legendary heroic auto 130 and legendary auto 150. Every unit and leader ability/spirit of fire/ well everything has been changed. Yet it very much feels like the original halo wars and does not feel modded at all. It actually feels like what the game should have always felt like. The mod also has a consistency unlike the original game where its less of a cainflip as super early (0-3 minute) rushes have been nerfed enough to not be so overbearing as all ai build at least 1 turret at the start of every game. Combat has been considerably slowed down to make fights last longer and battle more epic and microable. I did not watch this video before making my mod but it turns out that we agree on basically all of the balance which is great. plesae leave a like or comment if you think you would be interested. Though sadly as i said it is balanced for PPV not PVE but give it a go in PVP if you wanna just dont hate if its not balanced.
@@shawnbarton3670 Was hoping for a mod like this, I'm keen.
Suicide grunts are S teir for me. My fav meme tactic from back in the day was to upgrade arbiter to stealth, then fill an entire base with upgraded suicide grunts and set them to the teleporter. I would send arby to the enemies main base and unlock the hoard from mine. Stealth dropping Suicide grunts on the enemies main base brings me so much fullfilment in life. Awesome video btw!!
I'm sorry to the poor son of a bitch who matches me next in a 1v1 cuz I'm definitely doing this
Arby rush with just the right amount of suicide grunts to delete a unsc base instantly was pure cheddar :D
That really sound like fun but I sm certain that this tactic can be easily defended against and I am certain that the tier list is about usability so its definately not S tier.
@@miniaturejayhawk8702 Its very hard to defend against because its a rush, the grunts would annihilate pretty much anything you threw at them if you didnt rush as well. building turrets was a way to reduce the effect of it atleast
@@leahflootah dude suicide grunts in halo wars 1 are known for being so tardy, they don’t even try to do their attack on whatever you’re targeting. I’d say that a good 4-5 out of 10 grunts actually commit to their attack. Pretty average strategy. Way too expensive against a good player.
Anyone playing in 2024?
Yup
Yup! Just did my first ever playthrough this week, about to hop over to HW2 - after I have some fun playing Covenant in Skirmish first... 😂
Absolutely, always come back to this masterpiece of a game
It’s the perfect steam deck game for when I’m traveling
I won't lie I still play today and my personal opinion is I like it more than halo Wars 2
ODSTs are also good for blocking escape and doing delaying actions that give you time to rebuild and redeploy.
Very true! Good body blockers
Had a hour and a half ai 3v3 game where like 6 scarabs got built by the enemy. My odst and warthogs stopped the retreats.
Interesting thing about multiple Engineers is that their effectiveness is limited to 16 engineers. So 2 is twice as good as 1, 4 is twice as good as 2 etc. Until 16. Then there is no more additional healing performed.
I'd still see players build a Scarab and max Engineers. It seemed effective because the dead weight ones picked up the slack as the ones in effect were picked off, keeping healing at max. Scary times
Halo Wars was the first Halo I bought for my 360 back in 2010, I never got to play it in a multiplayer way until 2015, watching content about Halo Wars in 2021 truly warms my soul, thanks for uploading this video, it was really useful and entertaining!
Thanks for watching!
When I was a kid, I got the impression that Anders was garbage. Guess I was pretty wrong
Really amazing video, it’s nice to see other people still invested into the original halo wars in the current year I thought I was like the only one!
Thank you for your support!
I have found after a decade more people Who still loves this game
@@danielestebantiquecortes9050 Y podemos encontrar a unas cuantas decenas mas
@@demonmeta0x825 seguro que sí
I love how the halo wars covenant meta use of air matches the covenant lore on how they lose the land battles but beat humanity on space battles
I didnt know people still made halo wars 1 videos, and 40 seconds in I think I'm going to have to watch the whole thing
Get er done 👍 Enjoy it!
Cyclops are so underrated.. so cheap and quick to make. On certain maps you can pelican drop them in behind bases within a few mins of the game starting and slows the enemy down ALOT
Agreed cyclops are anti building. They work particularly well with any unit rush that can meatshield for them while they absolutely nuke buildings.
I spam Hawks and Cyclops, and Cobras and Warthogs. I rush with Cyclops in early game and use Warthogs for resources and for spying on the enemy base. Then afterwards I spam Hawks and Cobras and kill everything.
@@TheATgunner You can't use Hawks & Cyclops at the same time.
@@EpicSlashI think he meant Hornets, I mean I hope lol
Great video man. I've honestly learnt things about some of the units that I never knew before despite playing this game for years.
I'm glad you enjoyed it thank you for watching it!
Same here
I can’t lie 43:28 had me laughing for several minutes I had to pause the video. The fact that this was left in something meant to be informative and wasn’t edited out. I can’t compliment you enough for making this- thank you ❤
When you gotta go, you gotta go
I almost pissed my pants when I heard it lmaooooo
LMFAO, skipped ahead just to see what you were talking about, had me fucking dying. Thats amazing, I couldnt imagine going 40mins then just hearing him burp
This game is so well balanced, I enjoyed playing online. I reached a pretty high level (it's been over a decade so I don't remember the ranking levels) and every game against top level players was fun. It was very competitive, but truly great.
I agree, a timeless classic
Oh you made a GRIZZLY mistake with that assumption.
I actually never upgrade engineers to harmonious digestion. Reason being is whenever you “all units click” to a target, especially a area that’s far away, they always race ahead of the units by a marginal amount and if you’re not paying attention to your multitasking they’ll get put down rather quickly when they should be moving at the same speed with the main force to heal and stay behind. I think their normal speed is perfect unless they’re hanging with other air units
This is a great tip, definitely incorporating this info into my next games.
@@dramamine755 glad I can help! Love that the halo wars 1 community is still alive
I love that this guide heavily takes into advantage usage and practical concerns. Like, a unit might have no utility late game, but if it's a terrifying rusher, you'll never live to see that alleged late game because of it. I played Halo Wars on release, I actually won a silver-boxed copy in a local Gamestop tournament because I was the only person there who had gotten the demo on Xbox Live and even knew what I was doing, got the t-shirt too, very fond memories of the game from a more casual level. It's fascinating seeing this more meta-focused guide and in general I found this extremely interesting. The time really flew by on this one.
omg...the data, the numbers, so many years wondering the exact details, this is soooo helpful for my mod project you have no idea!!!
I wouldn't mind to try your mod
So very glad to find a Halo Wars channel!! I have played for a decade or longer and I learned several tips in this! Thanks man this is the first video I’ve found I will most certainly watch more. Very glad to see this game is still being enjoyed. 👍🤘
Glad you liked it! More to come stay tuned!
This video is fantastic. I love Halo wars. It and the original Star Wars battlefront 2 are games that I always come back to from time to time. The developers just knew what they were doing with these two games. But I just wanted to say I really appreciate your video. If more people knew about your channel this video would have blown up. But even without that, you have done a great service. I wish you all the best!
Thanks so much! I put a lot of time into it so I'm glad people are enjoying it. More too come, stay tuned! Thanks for watching
Holy crap. You caught me soooo off guard with the “Honor Guard” joke. I should’ve expected it but whew it was funny. Thanks for the video. I’ve been getting back into HW1 ..and I used to think that I was good, but after losing five straight matches it’s back to the books for me (so helpfully this helps)
Just finished, and I loved your in-depth analysis on each unit it game me new perspectives. I never knew that grizzly’s were that bad but when I think about it they always did die so fast compared to other units. Man I haven’t played Halo wars since the 360 days. You make me want to boot that back up and start playing again.
If you add a spartan they can turn a grizzly into a mobile fortress. 12 star should be able to hold a scarab. 16+ can beat a scarab.
Watched all the way to the end, thank you for all the time and effort you put in the video! Definitely learned some new stuff from this
Awesome, thank you! Hope to aee you again Artorias
The editing on this video from start to finish was phenomenal, was not expecting this amount of talent from a “smaller” channel on such an old game. Had me laughing harder than I should have, and the attention to detail for when you played certain SC music was *chef’s kiss*. Thank you for taking all the time and effort to make such a long vid, makes me wanna play again. Got yourself another subscriber!
Wow, thank you! Im glad you liked it and hope you pick up the game again. Thanks again
Shoutout to you man for just saying "grab some snacks and take a break" at the midpoint of your video. Never heard that in any long-haul videos and it helps greatly with just your viewership paying attention to the content you're talking about.
Thank you for watching! Truly appreciated
Best Halo Wars video I've ever watched. Thank you for making this.
Wow, thank you! You're welcome. Glad you liked it
I believe the pierce shot of the Cobra can go through shields.
Shields are compromised of microscopic lasers. Basically it's so many lines moving together that it looks solid.
A rail gun projectile is moving fast enough to pass through the little lines inside the shield.
A piercing shot :)
Also, kudos to you this video is like a 2 hour spirit of the law video for halo wars, it's so chill.
Thank you so much for watching! I'm glad you enjoyed it. I also like SOTL Vids!
You mean the laser thing is in the lore or it's the way they work ingame?
@@josesanchezrodriguez1783 Nono lol. A real rail gun could. My man’s is just applying real life science to a halo game
@@dramamine755 I'm not asking about the railgun, I'm asking about the shields. Halo shields are a barrier of plasma held by an electromagnetic field, they aren't made up of lasers.
Sat through the whole video, great job. Thanks for uploading. Loved it
Thanks for watching! 😉Hope you saw the credits
This video gave me so many new ideas. I used to run cobras and wolverines trying to counter my opponents. I now realize there is more going on!
Thanks for watching homie!
Easily the best halo wars in depth video I’ve ever seen. Super informative, funny, and entertaining. I love this game with a passion and it’s awesome to see people still love it as much as I do. Keep up the solid content homie 💯
Thank you very much! Means a ton
Man I had no idea about the grizzly thing, I guess Ander’s is the way forward, although in the same sense forge could be decent for hornet rush I suppose
I used to love playing as Forge, but I don't anymore. The only good thing about him is the supply pads but I'd rather play as Anders or Cutter now.
Gassss video actually really helpful haven’t played hw in ages
El video es tan bueno que hay gente de habla hispana disfrutandolo, Great Job!!! It´s a very satisfying and helpful video
Gracias por mirar! Quizas algún día haré un video en español
Holy...... Let me grab some snack this is worth it.
This video generally made me laugh. You have great humor, especially the end. I almost never laugh out loud but you are naturally funny.
Wow, thank you! I'm glad you enjoyed it and hope to see you around
I don't know how I just found this video, but you, my friend, are the MadSeasonShow of Halo Wars. I love it.
Great vid! It helped me out a ton since I recently got back in to Halo wars. On the cobra, I think the piercing shot ability allows it to damage a unit's HP even if they have a shield up. I haven't tested it out do I'm not %100 sure, but I have seen occasions where a cobra shreds do a wraith's HP despite its sheild still being up.
Thanks for watching! Sorry for the late reply
Really enjoyed this video, just bought halo wars on steam sale. I used to play it when it first came out but I never knew all this! Subbed
Hey I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Sorry for the late reply but thanks for watching
I forgot how much I loved this game, always played it on my 360. Gonna have to get back into it now
Very entertaining, watched it all the way through. Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it! Its a doozy
So in depth, great quality, commentary was incredibly entertaining. I liked and subbed! Thank you for the information Turnip.
You are welcome! Glad you enjoyed it!
I wish i had this video back in 2010
Watched/listened to the full video, even right up until the post credits - and I don't even play Halo Wars. Never even owned a console. It was still interesting to me because I also enjoy an RTS game that is less popular and run a community for it, and was trying to figure out the best way of conveying an understanding of an RTS game to people that have never played it, or are a bit apprehensive about playing it.
I can safely say that I think I'd enjoy playing Halo Wars, especially after getting the overview from you and you did a great job sharing your game sense and knowledge with people. Very nice video, thank you for making it.
Like and subbed as someone who plays both Starcraft and Halo wars 1/2. Love from South Korea!! Your vid is full of essential knowledge, strats, 2 hours full of gold and effort.
Thank you for watching!
@@TurnipVids you are welcome, any chance of HW2 unit review vid?
I'll never rule that out, I definitely enjoyed the first game more than the second who knows maybe someday in the future I will pick it up
Your humorous commentary is so dry I love it, and your analysis is really good
I can't believe I watched the whole thing. Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching through the whole thing!
One of my favorite meme strats was 3v3 ft Deen cyclops surprise attack via pelican. I'd build up enough to reliably kill at least 2 double reactors before they could be killed. Not the best trade of course, but you come out in the positive still. After that ofc I'd switch to something real.
Vulture Y ability I'm pretty sure is also glitched. If the unit dies as the missiles are being shot they'll fly off harmlessly into the air
I've seen this glitch before, definitely doesn't help the vulture's case lol. Thanks for watching
Hey! Thanks for this video, I’ve only plays Halo Wars 2, but never Halo Wars. I really enjoyed your video. Keep up the good work! 👍🏼
Awesome informative video loved every second of it and the ending. Man. Gave me chills. Very poetic. Subscribing for sure!
Thanks for the sub! Welcome Alexander
Great video! Thanks so much for all the time and effort you put into it!
I never played Halo Wars online, I only replay the campaign like once a year because it brings back memories and good nostalgia so I still watched the full vid
Thanks for watching! You should try out skirmish sometime, its very fun.
@@TurnipVids You made me re-dl the game haha
I didn't realise how long this video was, I've been really enjoying it, I hope there is one for halo wars 2
Am Happy to be here thx 4 the vid
Welcome! Thanks for watching
I spent over an hour on the half on my floor just chill’n as I reimagine my time playing this game.
Thank you
How did I miss this masterpiece? Ima watch the whole thing. Give my thoughts afterwards.
Make sure you check out 1:46:49. Hope you like it!
@@TurnipVids awww man you didn't have to do me a shout out!
It's late here I'll have to watch the rest later but I pretty much agree.
I dunno about cyclops I think maybe as forge in 1v1 you might use them to heal your tanks instead of using the heal all the time but that's a super niche situation. I obce saw someone high level pelican some across on fort deen but it wasn't as useful as going hogs and didn't really accomplish a whole lot. It's such a shame. I remember the demo version of the game and there was a snall amount of developer commentary on it. One of them was super stoked about the cyclops. It's big and it rips chunks off of things and throws them. Has some cool animations too. Again a real shame.
Great video turnip, this was really interesting
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it
Super entertaining and very interesting video. Thanks so much dude, I enjoyed every minute of it. I think I'll plug my 360 back in and mess around against A.I.s again 🙂👍
Thank a bunch!
Great video, enjoyed the whole thing, still fun to play
You're a treasure for making this content. Thank you so much. I've enjoyed watching this over the last 3 days, and it's been great to refine the way we play using this info. Thanks again, and keep up the good work. You're a straight killer! Long live the prophet and peace be with you, brother.
Thank you friend!
I havent heard your golden ponyboy in forever, I know it was just a brief comment but man that earned my respect.
Great video. used to play Halo Wars a ton back as a kid. Also I have never heard someone make that reference to Land of The Lost at 41:25. been sayin it for years
I haven't played halo wars in years but this brought back such nostalgic memories.
Gauss banshee and power turret tanks is all you ever needed on this master piece of a game
Indeed they are powerful
I just got halo wars, very helpful vid ty
There’s a thing I like to do called vulture rush. Basically you get 2 upgraded reactors and the air building as fast as possible so that you can get vultures and attack the enemy team as early as possible.
@livewiregaming6941 The issue is that they fold like paper if you're prepared
@@wow-effect yes, I can agree with that. I just like their weapons and how cool of a vehicle it is.
@livewiregaming6941 they're definitely overpowered riiiiight? Wrong.
Dudes strategy takes 9 minutes to get his 5 vulture army out, inwhich time 2 wolverines per vulture destroys the vultures, let alone the fact you have no units before 4 tech, meanwhile the other player can have tanks, hawks, etc all out. Vultures suck
@@livewiregaming6941 The issue is that 900 resources of anything else is probably better. Elephants in AOE2 had similar issues but there they at least had the advantage of being population efficient, the vulture doesn't even have that.
@@MistaHoward you are correct. 900 resources just for the prophet of regret to laser beam the vulture straight off the map
Only 3 minutes in and I'm loving the music choice
This is so cool, I loved this game as a kid.
That final edit of the Prophet killed me LOL
Shut the hell up man they’re listening..
Awesome video man, thanks
I’ve never heard it called the “Jesus Scarab” before, haha. I’ve always called it a ‘Super Scarab’.
Great video, thanks for the information!
1:32:46 lmao.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you liked it
Watched a good chunk of the video, Glad to see the Jesus Scarab is not a meme strat and Arbiter being a monster.
Jesus scarab OP thanks for watching!
That was two hours?? Lol!! Good job. I haven't played HW in years but it was my favorite game along with Reach back in the 360 days.
I never saw anything with this level of detail about this game and I learned a lot, even though I once got to 161 difficulty playing against the AI, but I got to admit it was moslty because of luck and playing on PC, I guess you motivated me to play this again this weekend.
Man, this brings me back. I definitely agree that engineers are underused. I didn't play a lot of multiplayer, and only really had one game where my teammates communicated. I built a bunch of elite honor guards and snuck around to attack from behind. One ally built two scorpions while the other just spammed engineers. Really I mostly was just harassing the enemy, but that match was a blast.
this video is really well made and very interesting
Thanks a ton. Its definitely my biggest project to date
I usually make only 2 vultures to support my ground forces. Use their Y ability and then send them to destroy enemy buildings to add pressure. 2 vultures can destroy 4 buildings in 12 seconds from what I’ve seen.
Ur channels my new pass time miss playin this all the time
Thank you!
Wow, I actually watched the entire video. Didn't mean to at the beginning, but seems like I'm a true Halo Wars fan.
you remind me of one of my friends back in the day who was a massive prophet fanboy and treated him like the absolute chad he is
True alpha male
he's called the prophet of regret because if you don't choose him you regret it
That version of impend with the guitar... nice
H2 Epilogue track is the best
I leave an sub cause you do halo wars 1 content keep goin
I'm actually a little surprised Cyclops got such a low ranking with the healing they off for UNSC. I mean it costs for the upgrade sure but I heard there were cheeses with them too. (Long time ago though) still loved the seeing the rankings and explanation. Looking forward to joining the community
Welcome aboard!
Nice video a lot of helpful info in here
Glad you think so! One of my fav vids to make
Nice vid this was pretty cool cause i have played around with the covenant a little but but i likes arbiters rage so i didnt use prophet or brute much, the brute ball sounds fun lol. I always liked cutter and rolling up to rhe enemy with tanks and dropping odst on their base and the mac
Edit: oh wow cool i never even knew there were the forerunner units you could build i guess I never played the 2v2 map
I’m two years late but I loved this video. I miss Halo Wars so much, back in the day. Halo Wars today is just not the same…
Love how there’s StarCraft music in this video. Good vid tho bro
Thank you!
I’m french i learn english with your videos and i learn lots of information to thanck you man
You're welcome! Good luck with your English and thanks for watching!
Holy shit daddy turnip never seen one of your videos again but you’re a pimp G
I think the cyclops and vulture were pretty low for the 2v2 and 3v3 ratings. In solo play, they're pointless, but if you coordinate with your team and build a base popping army and focus down bases rather than enemy units while your teammates fight with you it is a very powerful and frightening strategy.
215k views? Holy crap! Well done man!!
Thank you!
Keep it up man you deserve it, the content is fantastic, I’ve been watching you since you were small and even played customs with you, your a legend
Great vid 👍
Dude, the ending hahahaha. Okay I consider myself now in the prophet club. He has the drip, with his chair.
Holy shit love this
Damn you get me to play halo wars again . I only played Story Mode because i Was afraid of multiplayer . It seems like my fear was right . I had no idea that the game had so much depht in it .
I didn't know the protectors were so op. Now I know how to mess with my friend.
Love the starcraft music
im so glad to know that even with the years this game never gets too old
For the cyclops, I always have 2 with the repair kit chilling back at my main base. I rarely use the "all units" command, so they'll stay back there for strictly healing the base and other units. I'll send small waves of damaged units back so they can get repaired, and then I'll rotate them back out to the front. It saves me a lot of resources on rebuilding KIA units or purchasing healing fields. I'm also the type of goblin who spams supply pads and only attacks the enemy base when a 3 to 1 advantage can be guaranteed, so I'm extremely defensive. Offensively tho, they are practically useless
Qué buena pronunciación de "el escarbajo de Jesús" great work
Your commentary was to good lol, the honor guard segment got me