What's next for Haval/GWM in South Africa in 2023? Interview with the head of Haval SA
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- (Filmed in December 2022) GWM and particularly the company's sub brand, Haval, has been an incredible success story in our market. We sat down with COO Conrad Groenewald to discuss the future of these brands in South Africa.
In this wide ranging interview with our video journalist, Ciro De Siena, Conrad Groenewald reveals that Ora and Tank will be introduced to South Africa in 2023, which are two very exciting launches for the company, the likes of which will almost certainly disrupt the market.
Groenewald was quite vague on the future of the P-Series and GWM's bakkie offering in general, but it seems that there will be some new products introduced in that segment too.
We hope you enjoy this conversation and we'd love to hear your thoughts in the comments below.
0:00 - Intro
0:22 - Conrad Groenewald
0:40 - The largest dealership in SA
1:05 - Customer Care
2:00 - Reliability
4:47 - New products coming
8:00 - Product supply and demand
8:35 - Haval H6 GT
10:00 - P-Series offering strategy
12:37 - Local production
13:33 - GWM’s growth
14:20 - GMW’s goals
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Thanks for this interview Cirro! Haval/GWM have really catered to the SA market needs. They're success has definitely rocked the traditional brands not just in price but in design and features. I don't drive one but really respect their offerings. They will be harder to ignore with the Hybrid line up making it even more affordable to get around! It's great seeing manufacturers being in touch with customer needs of a market.
Happy Haval owner since 2018!
Having spent some time in Havals these past few weeks I was left well impressed. Very excited for the year ahead.
As haval owners please bring more parts into South Africa
GWM is very reliable, been driving my steed for over 10 YEARS and still moving with no issues. Take care of your car it will take care of you.
hang on, is that a 10 year old za GWM ?
@@wmtarr886 yes
@@wmtarr886 Yes my friend in Malaysia drove for 8 years now and it's Haval GWM 2016
Excellent interview by both players
Please get us the ORA asap! Add the option of leaching off the battery and power your house! - bye Loadshedding! Great interview Ciro!
Great to hear that the Ora Good Cat is coming to South Africa
I'm a massive fan of GWM/Haval because they're showing people just how obscenely overpriced the traditional brands are for absolutely no reason.
Have you seen how much prices have increased? Started low like they had to but now rapidly rising.
Still good value though
Mmm. Not for no reason. Comparing the haval to similar vehicle at a higher price, you will very quickly notice the difference in quality. Specifically mechanically. Haval hit the sweet spot of putting a nice shell on an average body, and doing it at a good price where consumers are willing to sacrifice certain qualities for a ‘better looking’ car. I think they look super cool for the price.
The good prices wont last . Will never buy Chinese in any case.
@@patshes1951 everything you buy is Chinese just depends which factory in China it came from and how much the designer was willing to pay for production quality
Haval has gained traction as a value brand offering to SA motorists. Having said that it is still rough around the edges when it comes to nvh. Regarding price, the industry as a whole has seen massive incresses in raw materials and overall production costs. Add in the 18% import tax we pay and you get a more realistic picture. I'm not yet at the point to consider owning a Chinese branded vehicle but that may change with the launch of the Ora EV brand.
Thank you Cirro! I am keeping a keen eye on this brand, out of interest sake. However, one thing that I have noticed, unfortunately: a fair number of Jolions seem to be driving around with bent axles these days. Of course, our roads are not the best, but I have yet to see a RAV 4 for instance, with an axle that appears to be bent. I get the feeling that the "chassis" of the Jolion is not quite up to support the weight of the overall car. To be fair, I have seen some Hyundai IX35s which appear to have bent axles too... (But those cars are usually a little older already compared to brand new Jolions that already have a wheel looking like it's overdue for a re-alignment). In fact, I'd love to hear what the Tire places, such as TWT and Tyre-Mart, have to say about Haval Jolion wheel alignments? If there's already a trend popping up? Because, as I've said, just by observing the cars on the roads every morning and afternoon as I drive to work and back, it seems like there could well be a legitimate issue on the Jolions, not being able to keep their wheels looking straight for long enough!
But having said all that. It would be great if GWM would setup a HAVAL Assembly plant and parts factory in South Africa, Much like Ford, Toyota, Mercedes, VW, BMW, etc. That would truly inspire product confidence in terms of service longevity.
Great Channel. Thank you Cirro.
My husband bought me the Haval h6 2021 ultra model but it took 3 months to come in because of the pandemic. I love my car, especially the cruise control. There are some things I dislike as well but overall, a great car to drive, especially on long roadtrips. For the price of top haval spec, you couldn't even get the low spec of Toyota, kia or Hyundai near that price, brand new. This car has absolutely earned its 5 star road safety placement because it's loaded with it.
Keen to know what parts availability for repairs and accident repairs are like in South Africa. Here in Australia parts availability and customer service from head office is atrocious.
Would love to see some of the Haval offerings such as F7x. And some GWM offerings such as the WEY. Chinese cars are looking better and better. And the Tech, wow. I own a P-Series from 2021, to date I'm enjoying it at 45 000 kilos. Very lovely. And this dealership as well, looks very beautiful and welcoming. Should visit them.
All in all great interview 👌
I am a huge fan of GWM/HAVAL.. My only concern remains parts in the long run... If China experiences shut downs then there is parts delays etc........would be great id they start production here... Just gives more confidence to the brands
BRICS will overrule it 😅
This is great. Well done Haval. Now please don't start pricing your cars out of the market all of the sudden just because you're popular. There's already a lack of good cars at affordable prices. Please remain one of those that people can actually afford. Does there have to be yearly price increases of R30k on the models? Please don't. Salaries aren't going up accordingly.
They put the prices up by an insane amount since they launched
@@Mondochiwan I know. I'm shocked. A base Jolion was R299,900 now it's R350,000 suddenly.
It's completely normal, market forces determine the price. If you already have waiting lists it means you can charge more.
If you had a pack of apples, let's say 20 apples, and you could sell 1 for R2 or you could sell 1 for R5 and you knew you'd sell them all regardless....what would you sell it for if it was you?
@@pauljansen6650 I'd sell it for a fair price that isn't unnecessarily inflated just because I can inflate it. Maybe it makes me a bad businessman but I'd rather have someone happy to have food than to force them to spend more of a limited resource to get it. If I still make a profit at R2 why would I be a shark to sell it at R5. I know the rules of demand and supply. But honestly, it's getting a bit much now. I know people who, a few years back, could comfortably afford a well appointed C Class. Now they can't even afford a base model version. If they don't need to increase the price, they shouldn't. Especially when salaries aren't increasing accordingly. Things have gotten so bad and Haval and Chery were so refreshing in a market full of overpriced, underspecced cars from VW, Toyota, Mercedes etc. Now I'm afraid they'll just become the same.
Same old my friend . The prices will be the same as everyone else . Then I will rather buy Eoropean or Japanese
Haval Springs also very good ask for Dirk, when you visit this dealership. Wow well done!!
can't wait for the ORA funky cat. 😅that is one of my favorite electric vehicles
They need to bring a hot hatch ( polo competitor) from 198k lower spec 228k mid spec 258 high spec 298k sport
They could use the h6 (hev) design but turn it into a hatchback…they would dominate the market
Try the Suzuki 14 turbo
Check out the Haval Chitu
@@patshes1951 the thing is the Swift is a bare-bones car inside. A Baleno Sport with power output of 120-140kW would be great. Sell a manual for ~R320k and it would sell like hot cakes.
Suzuki baleno or toyota starley do the job already
A few years ago my brother bought his very first GWM (GWM C10) at an auction salvage house. It needed a little TLC and he repaired the vehicle with GWM "OEM" parts etc. It became his daily driver and was a nice smooth driving car. I was also surprised by how well the car drove and handled etc. Since then he's managed to buy a few different types of GWM/Haval vehicles as he upgraded over the years and still says that these vehicles are very good value for your hard-earned money and are still very underrated compared to the established brands.
@Arkash did he buy it for work every day or fancy stuff, curious minds :) I think we buy something and then it works, and keeps on working and we fall in love with the inanimate brand :) Yeah, I know, we don't actually fall in love :)
@Wm Tarr Hi buddy. He was looking for a small daily driver. So he took a chance on it and it worked in his favor. After about 2 years or so of daily use he was approached by a young couple who wanted to buy the car on the spot. Apparently they had a similar vehicle that was stolen and were looking for another one. He sold that and bought the C10R also from an auction. Sold that and bought a GWM Steed double cab 4x4 also from an auction. You may not believe me when I say this but on one of our fishing trips the Steed outperformed a 3.2L Ford Ranger in the mud & sand. We just popped it into low range and we got through the poor road conditions like a champ even towing the Ranger behind us
If we can get the Ora at a reasonable price they can be the absolute market leader for electric cars.
Good cat , funky cat, any cat!
Reliability is also holding the markets because people are doubtful but to be honest with that warranty it shows confidence from GWM and I've been driving Jolion for over 18 months now there's really nothing wrong, Service great too.
How is your fuel consumption what figures are you getting
@prince Dube in town it really depends but on open road it's around 6.5l/100km but it's really heavy that also depends on your driving because it is really powerful
Question for Haval/GWM: Why no software updates for the vehicles? There are numerous small niggles in the software that can easily be fixed with an update. It would go a long way to make the buyers feel supported rather than that they are just customers that have bought products and then been left to it.
Totally agreed ! Please send your customers an updated software
We get updates in Australia. I have already had two updates and hopefully the infotainment update soon.
@@shaungibbs7400 that's interesting, question is, I suppose, are the updates updating the same thing(s); I guess we need someone brave or wise enough to share and test and be able to go back to where they were before if things go [arsehole above water, head below sea level] and the car stops working
My next car is definitely going to be a Haval
I think GWM should make AWD versions of the Haval H6 HEV and Jolion.
👍👍👍
agree - was disappointed to see the H6 was not AWD in the HEV
@@allisterdavidson9805 Yes, AWD does cost more to build and buy, but in the Kia Sportage Hybrid which you don’t get in SA yet has an option of either FWD or AWD in USA, Europe and South Korea.
I believe Haval should give us the choice of whether we wanna pay extra for AWD in the H6 Hybrid or not.
@@DaveDVideoMaker We looked at the H6 HEV yesterday here in Australia and I walked in the whole time thinking the HEV we drove was AWD to learn they didn't have that option at all. So still deciding now. I do like the AWD feature as we have it now on our Ford Territory.
@@allisterdavidson9805 If you want something similar, you could wait for the Kia Sportage hybrid to come to Ozzyland. It is coming there in 2024.
It is already for sale in the UK as RHD, but we get the one built in Slovakia which is a short wheelbase. In Ozzyland, you get the one built in South Korea which is a long wheelbase.
3:10 Such a pity they dropped their H1 (R187 000). Cruise control, bluetooth, reverse radar - fuel consumption of 600KM on R600 petrol. I love my H1. Jolion is just too great a step up in both price and size. So hopefully the H1 replacement is on its way soon. Otherwise I'll be forced to go for a Suzuki 'Fronx'!
I am excitedly waiting for the launch of this Fronx locally, every time Suzuki brings a new product, it's just utter joy for me coz they never disappoint. Just hope it will be priced right, beating it's rivals it's aimed for(Kiger, Magnite and Venue, as it is been said by motor journalists in India?.
I have a, question if I get my door gets hit let's say I bought the Haval Jolion, how long does it take for me to get that fixed?
GWM Steed 5 bakkie was a great alternative to farmers who could not afford the prices of Isuzu KB/Dmax series. It was n directly replacement with a lower price.
The P Series bakkie moved upmarket,and so did the prices. The Steed 5 prices also moved up.
GWM must be the ambassador for the farmers and lower end of the market for affordable transported.
@Dawid Smith I find your comment important, I mean, the bakkie (or ute since we have visitors from Oz) is a work vehicle. Are you saying all the new bakkies are priced out from affordability or has the second hand market stayed high priced too ? To me it looks like the top market aka "racing bakkies" are high priced but maybe it affects every-man and every-lady bakkies as well.
Hyundai and Kia started off in the same "boat" with people really wondering about reliability (& costs if something does go wrong).
These guys will still need to prove this too.
5 years is not that long!! I'm curious to know about what an 80,000km or 100k+ car will cost to run and maintain???
Great and informative video as always! Is there any news about the
Haval Mythical Beast, chitu and Jolion s?
Consider to buy the Speed 5 pick up for my father
Cirro how does the Haval/ GWM bakkies and SUV’s do on proper rural gravel?
Hope you bring a lot of spares in too.
When the Ora Cat comes, it's game over for any EV competitor in the low to mid market range. Will probably retail for R600K - cheaper, bigger, better range and nicer interior than mini cooper EV.
That is cool really.
Driving the Jolion for 12 months now. Smooth sailing but fuel consumption is heavy as compared to VW. I think HAVAL needs to look into fuel saving techniques and diesel engines.
I really like the Haval products, although I don't drive one, but the one thing that they should focus on is more efficient engines without hybrid technology. They can always add hybrid to a more efficient engine.
I bought a GWM P Series and drove it for a week then the clutch collapsed and it's been a dealer for 3 weeks and now I'm told I should wait for another 6 weeks because parts are not available. This is unfair on consumers because I'm paying for a car that's sitting in the dealership and I got it for business, I'm now loosing money. I constantly have to be the one calling for information no one cares to update me. This seems to be a common problem with the P Series manual
Bought the car over 6 months ago brand new and was enjoying it so much, today it just did not want to start at all im literally stuck with it one minute the car was moving the next the car is quiet i dont even know what to do this is scary for me.
will we get it in the uk
What’s next? Well Tank 300 Hybrid would be nice:)
can haval also bring small cars not just suvs
When is the Tank arriving 🙏🏼
The food safety problem in China has been repeatedly criticized and Made in China has become a synonym for black-hearted products, which has also caused a global trend of boycotting products from China. Although the Chinese authorities have taken measures to rectify the situation, there are still many counterfeit and substandard food products. By analysis, we think the reasons are as follows: First, under the high-pressure rule of the CCP and its strong suppression of righteous beliefs, people no longer pursue spiritual upliftment. The result is a rapid decline in morality, and they will do anything bad for the money. The second is the low cost of breaking the law, which makes some people break the law for profit. The third is that China's supervision is not strict. Although there are many government departments that have the power to manage the food industry, the characteristic of the management is that "everyone has the power, but no one is responsible." Everyone will scramble to take care of things that can gain benefits, and no one wants to handle things that are not profitable. The fourth is that China's food processing plants are small, and there is a substantial number scattered in various places; especially in rural areas, there are more family workshops, which also brings certain difficulties to the supervision. Moreover, most counterfeiters are less educated, and their legal awareness is weak, which increases the probability of violating the law. Of course, finally, it is caused by the deterioration of people's morality. As long as people abandon the principles of moral belief and moral values, and no longer have the constraints of moral standards, all kinds of counterfeit foods will continue to emerge.
DQR- Durability, Quality and Reliability
When is Mythical beast coming to SA?
Haval please bring the Haval phev
We need small haval hatchbacks
Suzuki will be dropping a new Crossover SUV named Fronx some time into the new year (already launched in India and confirmed for RSA), check it out, I bet it will be priced right and sitting between a hatch and a sub-compact SUV categories, I am already considering myself.
Hatch backs are not selling in south africa because of the bad roads not many ppl are buying. If electric I'll buy for my child .
I have a Jolion 2023. Does anyone get a hissing noise from their AC vents when the car is in motion. It’s really annoying.
Dear Mr. Chief Officer Officer… (sorry old school and only know ceo/cfo/cto pillars)… But COO sounds nice… Like Elon said, its only a title… any way… Would you agree, and has you as GWM realised yet, that your typical, best client, has a engineering/science/maths background, simply because this is the kind of people that can see the value/quality in the product?..
And can you please make the stickers on the car smaller?…
Sounds great in theory and bringing more brands, but agreed they have to fix their customer relationship side!! Worst experience in the industry to try and buy a car from them!!
Pretoria North
Are there tariffs stopping these from selling in the US?....or are they waiting for more refinement before making a splash in the US?
28 days…28days im waiting for a turbo on Jolion S-- well done Haval Aftersales
It looks as though the GWM P-series bakkie in the back round has a broken tail light
The h6 gt looks like an urus
Which dealership is this in PTA?
Gezina...Steve biko road
The H6 GT is a hot thing on wheels🔥 Looks very expensive than it is. Wouldn't mind spending my hard earn money on it.
I'm sorry to say this but Cherry Brand is gonna show you flames this year...
Competition is a win for the consumer.
I so wanted to watch the whole video. Got turned off by the 'finger-pointing'. From the get go, 'its the customers who drive with their feet on clutches'. That statement doesn't leave a room that there might be an odd faulty clutch from the factory. All car brands do have faulty components here and there, but assuming it's a customer's fault without looking at the merits of each case just doesn't sound right.
Haval must bring out a new H1 replacement with a turbo engine and automatic transmission. They will sell loads of them.
Would GWM be making a Van
can we get a diesel H9?
I heard the H9 is falling away. My thoughts would he because the Tank 500 is coming and as far as I know thats a diesel
Discontinued
Haval has served me well. But why are the spares being monopolized. Why are the spares not as easily available and also cheaper than the over priced other brands. The spares all come from one warehouse which supplies only the agents. And these agents over charge for parts because they have no competition. How the hell can a rear shock for a H6 be R3000 ??
What is the plans to get more entry level products? The H1, and H2 is gone.
The funky cat is over R600k and electric, so not really entry level.
Thats entry level for electric.
H2 was just rebranded as Jolion if I'm not mistaken.
Bring more deference car
I thought they would launch WEY
I'm just saying:
If only South African politicians knew their job the way this interviewee knows his. Lol.
Haval has 3 water pump?.
Unprovoked answering reliability issues immediately is a concern and a red flag. But then again it could just be this guy knowing what the customers are afraid of based on past experience with GWM and Chinese car makers.
Lol
I agree
Massive letdown is the fuel economy
What will the Tank 300 cost?
R713k
@@pauljansen6650 That's too much.
Paid promotion?
I was about to comment this, the questions are soft and the answers seem so prepared. I like the gwm/haval brand however there are so many questions that he could have focused on such as:
1. Fuel consumption claims not being reality
2. Availability of parts
3. The car has not been customised for the right hand driving countries - the screen seems off centre to the left (China drives on the right)
4. Transmission issues reported
with GWM etc cars being imported, how are they able to sell their vehicles for such a good price even with the huge import duties? Electric cars suffer from this hence why they are soooo expensive. Hoping the Ora cat will be much cheaper.
Cheaper the vehicle on invoice the cheaper the duties
Electric cars are typically 2-3 times the price of their ICE competitors.
@weetbix2083 for no particularly good reason! ICE import duties are 18% while EV duties are 25%....so it's more but nothing close to enough to make it 2-3 times more expensive
@@pauljansen6650 Electric vehicles cost more to make. This is the premium you pay in the rest of the world despite the subsidies the average tax payer contributes towards, for something they will never afford. They dont want the populous to afford transport. Its too much freedom and too taxing on resourses reserved for the super rich. (paraphrasing UN Agenda 2030 and Klaus Swab from WEF)
Even their Ice cars smash the composition on specs and pricing and which makes someone wonder why locally made cars from the big auto companies are so very expensive.
I doubt he's not marketing
I am sure HAVAL is great car if you compare money for value in terms of technology and maybe looks as well. But Toyota has the upper hand in the car market and they are renowned for there reliability for a very good reason. They have a very high standard for spares quality hence there cars are more expensive and more reliable. I think HAVAL is still a long way as Toyota`s run over a half a million km with a original drive train and enjins. He also mentioned the parts and vehicle availability challenges and there Toyota is ahead as well as there parts in most models are interchangeable and more available in south Africa even as far as upper Africa regions. The final closing argument is the depreciation value. In the past year Toyota`s have increased in value in most cases especially the Legend 45 bakkies that still retails nearly a third of the value of a HAVAL P1 series.
Add the diesel engine to your SUV's
The CAT is going to sell like drugs
GWM, Chery and JAC are all Chinese Government Owned and heavily subisidised.
The concern remains for me. The long term costs of owning the vehicle's????
What are you talking about..
No Chinees or Swedish for me. Even if they are the best. Just a matter of principle.
I am an unhappy Haval Jolion 2022 model owner, can the COO maybe contact me to find out the problems, sins March 2022 I drove the car for 4months straight, the rest of the time the vehicle was been prepared but not replaced.
Please just get a premium brand to he your sound system partner. Pretty Please.
Don’t down Ford products. Play fair.
Riding the clutch because of being new car buyers??? I'm no new car buyer and the clutch had a shudder after being in traffic and getting hot almost from new (H1) and it was faulty by 20 000kms and 3 years old? Not to mention the aircon compressor that had be to changed after a year and was faulty again at 3 years. Total lack of accountability from this senior staff member from Haval to just make generalized comments like that and on top of it the interviewer doesn't question him on this blatant pointing of the finger to blame the customers? Oh yes Cirro, I forgot, you might just not get a free test car for a week if you do!
We're sorry to hear you had a poor experience with your car and we hope Haval SA have been helpful. Please note this was an advertorial piece, paid for by Haval, as noted in the video with the words Sponsored Content appearing on the screen in the beginning of the video. Ciro owns 5 cars and is not worried about not receiving a free test car. He was just doing his job as per the brief. Thanks for watching
Would be nice to see how far Cirro would last as a motoring journalist reviewing his own 5 cars....... What a rubbish answer.
I must say there are an awful lot of these cars on our roads.
Let the buyer beware and be prepared to walk and be ignored for 6 months. Customer service is non existent. My Haval H6 has been off the road for 6 months awaiting parts after someone skipped a load shedded traffic light and collided into me. Customer Service does not have the decency to reply to emails. There is no offer of assistance or proposals to put me back on the road. Even the principal company GWM in China does not respond to my emails. My experience is zero customer care.
Chinese car ? No thanks
A nother white man as in management in South Africa...what did Mandel do🤣
I trust nothing Chinese
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