The SWEEPER: What is this HOT NEW Pitch Type that's thrown by Shohei Ohtani & other MLB Pitchers!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 เม.ย. 2023
- What is the Sweeper and why is it different from a Slider? Here's a detailed history of the sweeper, how it differs from a traditional slider, and some pitch grips to help you throw it.
See the new pitch type that Shohei Ohtani Yu Darvish Clay Holmes Zack Wheeler Pablo Lopez and others are throwing. And see how Seam Shifted Wake makes the sweeper move
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This combines two interests of mine, aerodynamics and Baseball. Imagine what stuff you could do if you really wanted to push the limits of drag and lift on a pitch.
Love it!
If the human wrist had just one more degree of freedom...
Imagine assuming that pitchers arent already pushing those limits.
@@Dudeman9339 With advances in sports medicine, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future, we do get people who can manipulate the ball in ways we can't today.
You'd get Trevor B. A skinny kid that got smarter then the baseball ⚾️
(Love or hate him) im talking pitching a art 🎨 ✨️ 👌
The 'Slurve' is this pitch in MLB The Show. They also have a 'Sweeping Curve' which is a less pronounced Sweeper with more vertical break. It's my favourite pitch because it hovers outside of the zone for so long and then falls back into the inside edge of the strike zone, or in the zone to outside of it.
Yup, and thats all it is IRL too. A sweeper doesnt exist. Its just a slurve called hy another name by people wanting rename the wheel
@@TeemoQuinton not really because a slurve is a slider grip thrown like a curveball a sweeper like luetge explained is a 2seam like grip thrown like a curveball. But gets classified as a slider because it moves like one
@@Just_Lionz if you say the word slurve around some players, they will throw you out the dugout lol. People have been playing the name game for years
Lmao if that's your favorite pitch you are a terrible pitcher. start using 4seam, Splitter, 12/6, slow Slider
@Marcus Williams lmaobl imagine knowing nothing. The pitch type doesn't make it good. If it did, everybody would throw cutters for example.
The sweeper still doesn't exist. Its litwrally just the slurve
Slurve. Mark Clear pitched for the Red Sox in the early '80's. That pitch had incredible movement.
Would love a follow up video discussing Seam Shifted wake in general or Seam shifted versions of other pitches. This new concept is so interesting to me after stumbling into it while trying to recreate that one ufo splitter that I accidentally threw in a bullpen that ran as if it had rocket thrusters pushing it side ways 🤣🤮
he has an interview on his channel about sean shifted wake it's the prof. barton smith interview
u don really need to know the aerodynamics behind it.
The important thing is knowing the seam orientation for it to occur.
It's so cool to see developments in science and the technology available to athletes and coaches result in both changes to how we understand what is happening in baseball and to how baseball is played. What a terrific time to be a baseball fan!
I thought it was just a slider with a ton of horizontal break. I’m a baseball newbie, so I use the clock system to identify pitches and a slider to me is a 1-7 break. The sweeper is more of a 2-8: less vertical and more angled horizontal. Like between 30 and 45° instead of a slider’s 60-75°. It’s now probably my second favourite pitch after the two-seam fastball. Thanks for the breakdown.
Yup. Its called a slurve and has existed for ages.
@@TeemoQuinton I was gonna say it’s just a slurve
@Josh Beavers Ninja and co just wanna rewrite history bruh. Keep that mindset up, can't let it happen.
A proper slider will break the vertical plane
@Dixonc42 a curve is vertical, a slider is diagonal, a slurve is horizontal. A sweeper is a slurve.
Thanks alot for this cool video. Could you make breakdowns for other pitches (changeups, fastballs, splitters etc.) similar videos just different pitches like this one.
Yep! Will do when I have some time.
Man, I loved science class growing up, but I also love just grabbing a baseball and throwing out 1000 different ways to see what it would do
Yu Darvish has some of the nastiest shit I've ever seen. Dude can throw so many different pitches at different speeds and disguise them all to look like his delivery of everything else and that's messed up when you think you're getting a 95mph heater that breaks towards you as a righty and then the damn thing beyblade's itself off the plate behind where a lefty would be standing. And HE is giving Shohei, who is already disgusting with it, tuition on pitches? Man...Shohei is going to end up with. 027 BAA one of these seasons lol.
Stieb’s slider’s the best I’ve ever seen, ridiculous movement.
Now all these years after leaving college baseball from two arm surgeries, I couldve finally described my "slurve but not a slurve vs slider" difference better to catchers than just saying one is slower and moves more. Turns out I was throwing a damn sweeper and a slider
Or... its a slurve for one and a slider the other. The sweeper is just a modern rebrand of the slurve. It annoys me greatly
Oof, trust me, I know the feeling. Playing D1 for a top 20 team and finally making my bones in my sophomore year after being wild as hell freshman year. Fracture my elbow while pitching in fall ball while doing really well. Even struck the guy out on the pitch. Out for the year. Come back the next season pushing myself too fast and tear my labrum and supraspinatus. Never the same after.
Nah, you were throwing a slurve as all these examples in this video are just slurves…. And have been rebranded…. Like Dice K. Nothing new.
@@bingboone9474 I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about, and I bet you could not give me a definition of what differentiates them.
Please do enlighten me.
@@Efilnikufesin76 Google is your friend. I also was not replying to you “Mr. D1” pitcher Hahahaha
Great stuff…I appreciate that you explain that this isn’t new, but this is what’s happening here. Playing College baseball in the 90’s everyone threw the slider and soft slider/frisbee/sweeper. Largely because of John Smoltz who would take something off his slider and come around it a bit more. When i got to minor league baseball, the height of the seams made it challenging to manipulate it the same way unless you had elite hand speed. A long time pro named Michel LaPlante used to throw all of his pitches with a two seam grip. FB, curve, slider, change. He focused on getting the ball to escape off his middle finger or between the index and thumb.
The science though is absolutely new and the way pitchers now can replicate it vs. trial and error. It's about getting the seams to be positioned in the right orientation to create a "wake" behind the ball vs. relying on 1 specific grip you picked up that may or may not work for any given pitcher
@@PitchingNinjaVideos yeah its very cool. I mean the science isn’t necessarily knew, it’s just measurable and more understood now because we have better tools. That makes it something that can be taught or implemented with the right strategy. We didn’t understand these concepts before, mostly because we didn’t have the measuring tools or the mindset for learning. But these concepts go all the way back to Lyman Briggs. There will still be some who can, and some who can’t execute, but it definitely has a place as a mire “defined” pitch. I can watch vids like that all day!
As a physics student who just got into baseball and know nothing about pitch types, I really enjoyed your video.
This is fascinating stuff. Thanks for it.
Also thanks for clarifying because every time ive heard an analyst say “sweeper” I couldn’t tell the difference in movement from a slider. Btw slurve was a popular designation for this pitch 20 years ago I think, it could be a different pitch though.
It's not a different pitch!!
Your stuff is gold, Ninja.
This is how I threw my slider in high school. I was a side arm pitcher so I just went with the theory of it had more horizontal movement because I was throwing horizontal. My curveball would be what a traditional slider looks like with some horizontal movement with vertical drop.
Gaylord Perry was throwing this pitch 50 years ago. Vin Scully, Dodger broadcaster, called it a "flat curve." Perry's 'sweeper' had the movement sometimes of a wiffle ball. That pitch and his spit ball got him into the Hall of Fame.
That the exact grip and action that I used to throw when I played in Rep. ball back in the 90s.
Awesome video!!!!!
This pitch is what I always imagined a curveball to be in my head.
GREAT segment
Thank you for explaining. I know I will forget it. I can used this on my mlb the show 2023. 😊
Cool explanation 🔥🔥👍🏻👍🏻
During the 20 k outing I think I saw one from Kerry Wood that was like that. Nasty. Like some of Brash's stuff. It's almost alive, like early Matt Mantei fastballs with the Marlins. Just electric stuff.
100%
This is what I thought of too. Wood’s slider basically jumped sideways right in front of the plate. Filthy.
Really enjoying watching variations to different pitches like Senga's Ghost fork as well ... I'd really like to see the knuckleball come back
Then the knuckleball takes all those physics we use for seam wake and magnus effect and says hold my beer lol
Lmao at “Slutter”
the sweeper is basically a Vertical slider or more known in japan like V.Slider
Randy Johnson's slider was filthy filthy filthy .,.I was blessed to sit behind home plate at Yankee stadium 🏟️ when he pitched? That pitch would make hitters flinch...looked like it was gonna beam them for sure!
We called it a sidearm curve back in the day. It was my 'out pitch'. I combined it with a screwball and batters didn't know which was coming.
I was watching a game this morning (I dvr all my tv so I don't know when it actually was) it was nats vs angles. There was a reliever for the nats that was throwing one of these but I didn't get his name. The scoreboard kept saying "unknown" for the pitch. It was kinda funny.
“Hold ball, throw ball” 😂
If it breaks down and away it’s a slider, emphasis on horizontal movement, that’s a sweeper, emphasis on vertical break it’s either a gryo ball or a curveball thrown with a slider grip, emphasis on a lotta both (Julio Urias and Rich Hill) that’s a Slurve. But they are ALL sliders (also if speed is the emphasis is MIGHT be a Slutter)
Hey mate, as a person still learning pitches I've found the stadium's camera angle can be a big part! When the camera is not straight and kind of .... 10 feet to the right... when a left handed pitcher is pitching it makes the ball look SO WEIRD. What's your favorite camera angle?
damn, what a great video.
The magnus effect can create a sweeper movement also if it’s spinning like a curve on its side. I’d hesitate to say all sweepers are because of a SSW like in the vid.
The sweeper is just one of pitches in the slider family. Sergio Romo used to call it his 'Frisbee Slider.'
Thank God you said it has been around
Loving the DAVE STIEB love here.
This is great
This is why I love baseball
So Bauer seam shifts for his cutter if I’m not mistaken. Maybe all pitchers do but he’s the only one I’ve ever heard explain it.
that’s funny because i was at the a’s game on opening day, and the guys behind couldn’t stop laughing at the fact that they displayed some of ohtanis pitches as a sweeper, turns out they were just unaware of it
My 32-38 mph corkscrew:
Sideways version of the screwball with lift and tons of spin. Lots of movement, first rising and going away from a righty (I'm a lefty), then comes down and breaks hard towards the batter.
Thank you, ninja
Man you wanna see a slider watch Randy Johnson’s or Kerry Woods it will blow your mind.
You were right to show Stieb’s slider. Best slider in the history of baseball.
To sum it up, simplified
Slider: Slides to the plate
Sweeper: Sweeps to the plate
That first one they show Ohtani throw is filthy
Used to be called a slurve. Slider break with the velocity of a curve
Iy's like a slurve with a dropped arm angle which changes the rotation axis. Mexican League has guys with about 20 versions of it.
A variation of Slider which moves and runs significantly more than the regular Slider.
I totally threw this pitch when I played. It move a lot horizontally but because it wasn't a traditional sinking slider my coach though it was trash. Never got a chance to develop it and relied on 12-6 curveball. Makes me a little sad knowing that it is a popular MLB pitch currently.
Cutter - fastball with sharp-late lateral break (3-9 rhp)
Slutter - cutter with more slider-esque break (2-8 rhp)
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Sweeping slider - most lateral slider (3-9 break rhp)
Slider - diagonal break (2-8 rhp)
Slurve - with most vertical slider (1-7 rhp)
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Sweeping curve (2-8 rhp)
Curveball (1-7 rhp)
12-6 curveball (12-6 rhp)
これは興味深い球種ですね。ピッチング忍者さん、解説ありがとうございます！
Where/how do you see that page on Baseball Savant shown at 4:17?
baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/spin-direction-pitches
I love people being confused about it cause it's funny, especially with the knowledge that these are some of the principles of bob gibson's slider right? At least from the clip of him explaining grip and how he threw it.
The key now is understanding WHY it moves the way it does. That makes it able to be replicated. Just knowing a grip doesn't help without that, since everyone has different releases, arm angles, etc. If you hold the ball the way Gibson did, you're unlikely to get that kind of movement, for that reason.
@@PitchingNinjaVideos absolutely I find this stuff fascinating.
Yeah I usually take the horizontal and vertical movement chart from BrooksBaseball and measure the degrees of tilt on the sliders. So for Ohtani’s 3/30/2023 game the most horizontal slider/sweeper was 60° and the most vertical one was 41° my 0° would be the 6 O’clock position.
Charlie Morton throws what looks like a nasty sweeper with a knuckle curve grip, so it's technically a curve ball but he has so much spin that combined with his arm slot and action it plays like (and he uses it as) a sweeper.
I’m pretty sure it has more vertical movement then a sweeper, which is why people call it a curveball, I could be wrong
Just curious, what’s the difference between a Sweeper and a Sweeping Curve? I’m still new to this stuff and trying to learn how to distinguish differences between similar pitch types.
(My apologies if someone already asked, I haven’t scrolled through comments yet)
I’m guessing that it has more vertical movement than a sweeper
Thats a slurve. It’s essentially just a faster curveball with more pressure put on the seems giving a faster rate of spin. I use to throw that in high school
Dave Stieb Mentioned 🎉🎉🎉
0:11 was that Dave Stieb he had a nasty as pitch right there....Bert Blyleven had something similar i think....maybe it was a curve ball but still nasty as hell....😮
1:51 Is just absolutely nutty
I remember growing up in the 90s in medium sized cities and the pitchers trying to guess and/or figure out how to get the ball to move and then trying to match others...and how frustrating a grip difference or arm angle made the movement change.
I threw a 2 seam fastball once in a game way back in teener league baseball. Overhand arm slot and it ran from the right handed batters box to the left handed batters box and I was just trying to throw it straight. I don't know if something was wrong with the ball but I've never been able to do that again in my life and that was 25+ years ago 😂
Mariano Rivera three a version of his cutter that he called a sweeper. It was just his cutter with more horizontal break.
It’s just a slight variation on a slider. The same way there are 12-6 curveballs and curveballs with a little more horizontal movement.
If you watched the video, you'd know what I said. It's a variation of the slider designed to have more horizontal movement, due to a newly discovered scientific effect that was recently discovered
I like that Lucas Luetge dude that just doesn’t know why the ball moves the way it does.
Baseball is awesome ⚾
If it's new science just apply it to the change up grip because the vertical slider/cutter chews through their arms a couple times through league.
If anyone is looking to throw this pitch. A very simple way to do it is to take a two seam or four seam fastball, but release it like a football, i.e. thumb facing your ear and index and middle (had to edit, I said thumb instead of middle originally) on opposite side. Sweeper idk, it was taught to me as a slider that puts less stress on your arm. Can throw it pretty hard hard.
The grip is going to vary for everyone. The key to a sweeper is the seam orientation as it travels to the plate (the seams have to be in a very particular place) and it depends on a lot, including arm angle, release, finger length, grip, etc. That's why teams spend so much time and money trying to get it right, using slow mo cameras, trackman etc.
@@PitchingNinjaVideos Was just informing those who may want to try a simple and very easy on the arm way to attempt it. Not everyone has access to the tools listed above, and is a very easy way to test it out having a catch with friends if you are a younger pitcher.
Ps: To add, at least the way I threw the ball, maybe a bit between overhand and 3/4, gripping it like a 4 seam fastball seemed to have more horizontal movement, and gripping it like a 2 seam seemed to have more vertical drop.
You can also adjust your grip on the seams and have your fingers grip hard into the two or four seam or straight across them and get different movement.
A slider is thrown with 'fastball' motion and you turn the door knob out (clockwise- righty) on your release...corkscrews and can break away from right on right or break down...still different from a sinker...fastball = backspin...slider = rifle/ cork screw...sinker = retrograde spin
Nive video. I love how whats old is new again. Just call something by a "new name" and its like its just been discovered. :)
The reason it breaks like it does was recently discovered. That means instead of lucking into a pitch, you can actually design it and get it to do what you want.
I know there was a pitcher for the Rockies that threw a wicked slurve 🔥 I think his name was Velasquez??
Slider plus cutter? Your bat is firewood! If you can even hit it. Both pitches are known for missing barrels. Nothing else moves anything like this. It is the two hardest things to hit put together into a Nightmare.
That's why Dave Stieb is on top in the Nerdy, smart, designed to predict things off of stats in the 80s. Dude was Nasty as hell. Many people don't know him because they didnt see him destroy all the great hitters of his time
Now please explain the difference between a sweeper and a conventional curveball. Thx. Great video as always. And just FYI I told that stupid scientist that said a knuckle ball couldn’t go to different directions he was wrong and Sean shifted wake proves the point.
AKA: "American Legion Curve". 'Nuff said. Just a new term for an old pitch, like "cutter". I was throwing that stuff, plus the "splitter" 50yrs ago. Worked like a charm, too! Don't believe me? Check out Greg Maddux.
thats just a slider always existed, just depends on the throwing angle and the pitcher.
For many years it was considered more effective to get a downward break on your slider. Recently, in the last decade, with advancement of technology/information, baseball has realized in the analytics that a horizontal break can be just as effective, if not more lethal, than a vertical break. Now we're seeing a phenomenon of pitchers switching their sliders to sweepers. It's the biggest trend in pitching, and it could be one of the causes of the strikeout crisis we're seeing in todays baseball
Dave Stieb reference!
Prime Sergio Romo’s slider was so fun to watch every night
How is this different from a curve/slider thrown from a more horizontal arm slot? I feel like David Cone was throwing those a lot.
That balloons about 3 different ways,and they have 126 names for those 3 pitches.
“Sl_tter” 😂😂
Halladay had a awesome sweeper
So is this what some have coined the "Dodger" slider? Is that more of a slurve or is this what a slurve is? I'm even more confused when you throw sweeping curve in the mix, but it's all semantics anyway, albeit very interesting.
Is the sweeper another name for the slurve? Or is it a sweeping curve? I’m so confused lol
They called that a curveball when I was growing up…crazy, I know. 🙄
You watch games now and the graphics will show “cutter” for a slider, “sinker” for a fastball, “changeup” for a sinker, “sweeper” for a hanging curveball or slider way outside.
Who’s in charge of these graphics, could they see a barn standing in front of one? 🤨
Interesting. With cricket balls, the seam also plays a part in movement, but the scope for getting different movement with different positionings appears to be much smaller.
Love me some leg spins and reverse swings
Jeff Nelson’s was the best i ever saw
Bauer looking like he's wearing his dad's suit to prom lol
Sidearm to 3/4 angle slider isn't a new pitch. It was my strikeout pitch all through high school like 12 years ago. I even held it the same on the laces but my fingers were together. Throw it almost as hard as my fastball and it had a wicked and huge late break
^^^^This^^^^
Hall of Fame swing at 1:55.
They were calling this a 'Slurve' for decades now.
"Slutter" 😂😂😂
Jose Fernandez would be the KING of the sweeper if he was still around.
His breaking ball was absolutely insane
Old video I know. But what do we call ball with mostly sidespin now? Like Randy Johnson his slider. Following the logic it would be a curve now.. which is strange
Pascual Perez had a nasty slurve. They asked him how he threw it.. he said he didn't know.
Hey pitching ninja which pitcher has your favorite sweeper
Right now it's probably Shohei's Sweeper. It's also one of the most valuable pitches in baseball in terms of run prevention.
Its great, but its hard to find videos on how to hit these sliders