I’m happy that you’re bike is up and running man. I’ll definitely be sending my ECU to be corrected at the same place you did. I’d love to bring it in person to Moore Mafia but don’t have the time or funds for that. Great video thank you so much.
I live in the states and Moore Mafia did the ecu flash on my 08 600 GSXR. That tune woke my bike up and I was able to hang with the liter bikes at the track. My 09 R1 has a power commander and it runs strong. I’m now hesitant to send in my ecu and eliminate the power commander. I think I’ll have the bike dyno’ed to see where it stands. I certainly don’t want to give up that cross plane sound. For me that’s half of the riding experience. Thanks for the update
I don’t think you would have the major issues I had from being out of country. The sound is a bummer for sure though. You basically have to decide if you want more power or Crossplane character / sound.
I have. 2011 r1. I set up my power commander. Currently getting my ecu flashed by sBu. (Super bike unlimited) after the flash I’m going to dyno tune with a local company thru my power commander. I’ll let u know the difference. Rn I can’t get it over 180. Holding open throttle 100% in 6th. Max is 175 gps. 192 on dash. I’ll fill u in by September 20th😂
JT, thanks for sharing your experiences. You have lots of insight. I’ve found and handful of Moore Maria customers online that have had problems with his mail in tubes and Pops and Bang Tune. I’d only feel 100% safe if dyno tuning with him if it was an option. Moore’s tunes seem to bring power and character with the pops, bangs and gurgling. I can’t find one unhappy customer with Bauce Racing. From what I gather is his tunes are very refined for racing so I’m not surprised no sound and fires work show with Bauce. Xplane is another R1 wizard with very refined tunes. For my 23 R1 I’m trying to decide between Xplane and Bauce. Anthony seems very easy to reach and responds very fast so I might go that route. Xplane is hit and miss on communication.
If you do choose xplane let me know how it turns out. I enjoy hearing real world feedback. Anthony at bauce is definitely very knowledgeable 👌. I think I would only use more mafia again if I had a Suzuki product. That seems to be his area of expertise. Im excited to try my 2006 gsxr1000 snow bike that Chris Moore just tuned for free ( because of all the hassle I had ) it seems to run great around the house. Im just waiting for the snow to accumulate and I’ll be making a few more videos on that.
At least Chris Moore is trying to make it up for you. I give him that and as big plus. I just completed my first service and I’m almost learning towards getting my ECU flashed by Bauce Racing. Anthony and Pablo at Bauce are very responsive answering questions and are pretty laid back. I’m finding Nick at Xplane just too hard to reach or get a reply back. It makes me nervous if I run into problems that I may get ghosted. I understand he’s probably swamped or maybe life priorities taking over. I’m still struggling deciding because if I flash with Xplane now I could make the six hour drive in the future to dyno with him to get the AFR’s on point. Or I could play it safe and get a Bauce tune with no chance of a dyno as Jersey is too far. I’ll let you know soon.
@-mystical-16 I’ll give Chris more credit where it’s due. I don’t think anyone can top his customer service. He did flash my gsxr1000 snowbike and it seems to run great so far ( still waiting for snow to test it ). I think Suzuki products are where Chris really shines. As far as Yamaha products I would probably stick to bauce or xplane. Have heard great things about both. My experience with bauce was top notch. Tune quality and power delivery is very smooth and refined.
Being someone ho met Chris Moore he’s a genuinely good guy and a really fair businessman he really does care about his customers and he tries everything he can to make sure you’re satisfied and if you aren’t satisfied still he’ll happily suggest other rooming companies that would treat you just about as much customer care as he would give.
His customer service is the best I have ever experienced that’s for sure! You can definitely tell he’s a genuine guy. I wish I lived local, that would have eliminated all my issues I’m sure.
Hey thanks for posting this. I've been contemplating a flash and a 3/4 exhaust v slipon for my R1. Been leaning towards SBU or maybe straight to the source, Graves!
I have an issue similar to what you are going through, but with a Fz8. The first time the ECU was flashed it was doing the same as yours. The tuner told me my bike was messed up even though I only disconnected the ECU, he tried flashing it again and still same result so I asked for a refund, but I could only get a refund if I sent the ECU back to be re-flashed to stock. I finally sent my ECU to 2WDW who flashed the ECU and the bike runs amazing but now doesn't have a speedometer or odometer so now the ECU is going back to 2WDW for a re-flash, so hoping 4th time is the charm. I'm in the US though. I will say I will in the future pay for a shop to tune the bike and avoid a mail in.
I feel your pain. Mail in tunes have been extremely stressful for me as well! 4th time was the charm for me too. Painful and long process with lots of money waisted on shipping
Yes that definitely plays a big part. on the website it claims hassle free out of country tuning for Canadians. Unfortunately the reality for me was still pretty time consuming / expensive and stressful. Just wanted to share my real world experience so people know the risks of long distance tuning.
Gotta reset adaptation for that bike to start again, this happened to me with Brentuning on my s1000rr I had a tiny handheld device i was able to reset the valve adaptation n it fired back up
Good to know. Thanks for sharing! My tuner said it was an issue with the Yamaha security / immobilizer but who knows. Long distance modifications can be tough sometimes
Wait ….you’re not in the USA ? You have literally no out of the states accent at all ….I just assumed you were here and possibly close to my area due to you sounding more northern USA ,no drawl whatsoever either hehe … I don’t know if you already in other videos have saId ,this is only 2nd video,of yours I’ve seen, but if not an issue I’m really curious where you’re from with an American type dialect and perfect English etc etc …..I was/am considering Moore mafia for a flash on my fz1…but will maybe change mind when I finish this video (paused at about 3mins at the moment)
Bauce said there are two different main software applications that tuners use like “woolich “. So There are multiple different tuning softwares and depending on what one you choose there are multiple different tuning techniques with each software. So unless you do out of country tunes all the time, the odds of getting the sequence right first attempt it pretty low apparently. Bauce still took two attempts
I will say my bike starts WAY easier after the tune. If you look on my channel for older videos I struggled with hard starting issues as well for years
Starter motor, starter relay, and battery are all problems with the beginning years of the crossplane r1s, they all go early, when you change use Oem parts to replace no aftermarket even for the battery, to check if the starter motor is bad make sure it draws the proper amperage
@@oneway4667I did thought the same and I did the same, but the real issue is the Oem starter, which, for me, revealed the presence of oil inside from oil vapors that the joints of the starter letted came inside it😢 It was my second Oem yamaha starter, i bought one from aliexpress, it works ten time better 🏁 I also had my ecu flashed, and no issue.
I’m glad you got some entertainment out of my situation. I sure wasn’t having a good time! Bauce is definitely the go to man and got everything dialed in the end.
Why do you tune your R1 no one can even ride it at full speed stock I hit 290 km/h on my 2004 R1stock and it has more juice than that why do you need to drive faster unless you a professional racer
Exactly what he explained at the end lolo. Ur not just after high end speed. Tuning can help with SO many other variables. My 2011 shoots 3ft flames and sounds 10/10 better after my tune. On top of that overall just the power when u need it. It will hit that 100 mark almost instantly
The tune actually makes a lot more usable power down low in the rpm range that you 100% use every single day. Performs better at all rpm not just redline
@@JT2JZ but why do you need more power in low rpm jus increase the speed when you want more power What does more.power do as opposed to more throttle for more power I can understand the new r1 which reduces the power at low rpm so that the throttle is less sensitive around corners and you can take it a bit more aggressive but not increasing the power at low rpm But I even think that is something I would like Plus I dont ever mess with Yamaha's engineering specs.they know their stuff
@@nucleartreatment7626 is that safe for you engine in long term I have mine in mint condition for 18 years and was that tune recommended by the manufacturer
@@moucheali3911 more power in the lower rpm = better drivability. You don’t have to scream the engine unnecessarily for daily use. I use my bike as a daily driver
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I’m happy that you’re bike is up and running man. I’ll definitely be sending my ECU to be corrected at the same place you did. I’d love to bring it in person to Moore Mafia but don’t have the time or funds for that. Great video thank you so much.
I’m glad I could help 👍
I live in the states and Moore Mafia did the ecu flash on my 08 600 GSXR. That tune woke my bike up and I was able to hang with the liter bikes at the track. My 09 R1 has a power commander and it runs strong. I’m now hesitant to send in my ecu and eliminate the power commander. I think I’ll have the bike dyno’ed to see where it stands. I certainly don’t want to give up that cross plane sound. For me that’s half of the riding experience. Thanks for the update
I don’t think you would have the major issues I had from being out of country.
The sound is a bummer for sure though. You basically have to decide if you want more power or Crossplane character / sound.
I have. 2011 r1. I set up my power commander. Currently getting my ecu flashed by sBu. (Super bike unlimited) after the flash I’m going to dyno tune with a local company thru my power commander. I’ll let u know the difference. Rn I can’t get it over 180. Holding open throttle 100% in 6th. Max is 175 gps. 192 on dash. I’ll fill u in by September 20th😂
@nucleartreatment7626 definitely keep me posted! Hopefully everything goes smooth for you
JT, thanks for sharing your experiences. You have lots of insight. I’ve found and handful of Moore Maria customers online that have had problems with his mail in tubes and Pops and Bang Tune. I’d only feel 100% safe if dyno tuning with him if it was an option. Moore’s tunes seem to bring power and character with the pops, bangs and gurgling. I can’t find one unhappy customer with Bauce Racing. From what I gather is his tunes are very refined for racing so I’m not surprised no sound and fires work show with Bauce. Xplane is another R1 wizard with very refined tunes. For my 23 R1 I’m trying to decide between Xplane and Bauce. Anthony seems very easy to reach and responds very fast so I might go that route. Xplane is hit and miss on communication.
If you do choose xplane let me know how it turns out. I enjoy hearing real world feedback.
Anthony at bauce is definitely very knowledgeable 👌.
I think I would only use more mafia again if I had a Suzuki product. That seems to be his area of expertise.
Im excited to try my 2006 gsxr1000 snow bike that Chris Moore just tuned for free ( because of all the hassle I had ) it seems to run great around the house. Im just waiting for the snow to accumulate and I’ll be making a few more videos on that.
At least Chris Moore is trying to make it up for you. I give him that and as big plus. I just completed my first service and I’m almost learning towards getting my ECU flashed by Bauce Racing. Anthony and Pablo at Bauce are very responsive answering questions and are pretty laid back. I’m finding Nick at Xplane just too hard to reach or get a reply back. It makes me nervous if I run into problems that I may get ghosted. I understand he’s probably swamped or maybe life priorities taking over. I’m still struggling deciding because if I flash with Xplane now I could make the six hour drive in the future to dyno with him to get the AFR’s on point. Or I could play it safe and get a Bauce tune with no chance of a dyno as Jersey is too far. I’ll let you know soon.
@-mystical-16 I’ll give Chris more credit where it’s due. I don’t think anyone can top his customer service. He did flash my gsxr1000 snowbike and it seems to run great so far ( still waiting for snow to test it ). I think Suzuki products are where Chris really shines.
As far as Yamaha products I would probably stick to bauce or xplane. Have heard great things about both. My experience with bauce was top notch. Tune quality and power delivery is very smooth and refined.
Being someone ho met Chris Moore he’s a genuinely good guy and a really fair businessman he really does care about his customers and he tries everything he can to make sure you’re satisfied and if you aren’t satisfied still he’ll happily suggest other rooming companies that would treat you just about as much customer care as he would give.
His customer service is the best I have ever experienced that’s for sure! You can definitely tell he’s a genuine guy.
I wish I lived local, that would have eliminated all my issues I’m sure.
Glad it worked out for you.
And thanks for sharing!
It was a long journey but worth it in the end!
Hey thanks for posting this. I've been contemplating a flash and a 3/4 exhaust v slipon for my R1. Been leaning towards SBU or maybe straight to the source, Graves!
I really like the look and sound of graves exhaust. Of course it’s personal preference though.
I have an issue similar to what you are going through, but with a Fz8. The first time the ECU was flashed it was doing the same as yours. The tuner told me my bike was messed up even though I only disconnected the ECU, he tried flashing it again and still same result so I asked for a refund, but I could only get a refund if I sent the ECU back to be re-flashed to stock. I finally sent my ECU to 2WDW who flashed the ECU and the bike runs amazing but now doesn't have a speedometer or odometer so now the ECU is going back to 2WDW for a re-flash, so hoping 4th time is the charm. I'm in the US though. I will say I will in the future pay for a shop to tune the bike and avoid a mail in.
I feel your pain. Mail in tunes have been extremely stressful for me as well! 4th time was the charm for me too. Painful and long process with lots of money waisted on shipping
XPlaneR1 custom tuning is super good for tuning these R1's
Makes a huge difference for sure!
@JT2JZ i don’t know what happend with your ecu but when i do mine bike feels diferent
@@josesantiagorivera9072 the tune is awesome all around. Makes more power at all rpm. My only issue was getting the flash to work for out of country
I think the issue are ECU county spac because there are a deferent between USA , Canada , Europe
Yes that definitely plays a big part. on the website it claims hassle free out of country tuning for Canadians.
Unfortunately the reality for me was still pretty time consuming / expensive and stressful.
Just wanted to share my real world experience so people know the risks of long distance tuning.
Thank you so much man
Gotta reset adaptation for that bike to start again, this happened to me with Brentuning on my s1000rr I had a tiny handheld device i was able to reset the valve adaptation n it fired back up
Good to know. Thanks for sharing!
My tuner said it was an issue with the Yamaha security / immobilizer but who knows. Long distance modifications can be tough sometimes
send the ECU to Nick Marino of XPLANE custom tuning , He super good for tuning, i promise you will not regret it
Thanks for sharing your experience
If I knew the risks going in I likely would have never done it.
Hopefully I can save other people some hassle
i tuned my mt10 with moore mafia it woke the bike up but the throttle response is real bad
Thanks for sharing. I’m surprised at how many people have reached out to me having similar issues with his ecu flash service.
yeah man i noticed it till later when i went to s track day put the bike on A mode and its was crazy unable to manage the power@@JT2JZ
So the throttle input was way to sensitive is what your saying? Wants to take off really aggressive with small throttle input?
Wait ….you’re not in the USA ? You have literally no out of the states accent at all ….I just assumed you were here and possibly close to my area due to you sounding more northern USA ,no drawl whatsoever either hehe … I don’t know if you already in other videos have saId ,this is only 2nd video,of yours I’ve seen, but if not an issue I’m really curious where you’re from with an American type dialect and perfect English etc etc …..I was/am considering Moore mafia for a flash on my fz1…but will maybe change mind when I finish this video (paused at about 3mins at the moment)
Holy crap this story …
Did the Bauce tuner explain why all the issues ? What’s difference being out of country etc etc
Bauce said there are two different main software applications that tuners use like “woolich “. So There are multiple different tuning softwares and depending on what one you choose there are multiple different tuning techniques with each software. So unless you do out of country tunes all the time, the odds of getting the sequence right first attempt it pretty low apparently.
Bauce still took two attempts
no one in canada who does tunes?
Nobody reputable. Not really a huge demand up here with crazy short riding seasons
Well I've got a 2010 R1 and the fuckin junk will not start and fuckin struggles to start even with a brand new battery with a hi crank amp
I will say my bike starts WAY easier after the tune.
If you look on my channel for older videos I struggled with hard starting issues as well for years
Starter motor, starter relay, and battery are all problems with the beginning years of the crossplane r1s, they all go early, when you change use Oem parts to replace no aftermarket even for the battery, to check if the starter motor is bad make sure it draws the proper amperage
Check the starter.
@@oneway4667I did thought the same and I did the same, but the real issue is the Oem starter, which, for me, revealed the presence of oil inside from oil vapors that the joints of the starter letted came inside it😢
It was my second Oem yamaha starter, i bought one from aliexpress, it works ten time better 🏁
I also had my ecu flashed, and no issue.
@@ghostprotocole974 that’s so weird I never heard of that but as long as you got it going
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Dude you crack me up bro lol glad your bikes are okay. Bauce racing is the Yamaha god
I’m glad you got some entertainment out of my situation. I sure wasn’t having a good time!
Bauce is definitely the go to man and got everything dialed in the end.
Why do you tune your R1 no one can even ride it at full speed stock
I hit 290 km/h on my 2004 R1stock and it has more juice than that why do you need to drive faster unless you a professional racer
Exactly what he explained at the end lolo. Ur not just after high end speed. Tuning can help with SO many other variables. My 2011 shoots 3ft flames and sounds 10/10 better after my tune. On top of that overall just the power when u need it. It will hit that 100 mark almost instantly
The tune actually makes a lot more usable power down low in the rpm range that you 100% use every single day. Performs better at all rpm not just redline
@@JT2JZ but why do you need more power in low rpm jus increase the speed when you want more power
What does more.power do as opposed to more throttle for more power
I can understand the new r1 which reduces the power at low rpm so that the throttle is less sensitive around corners and you can take it a bit more aggressive but not increasing the power at low rpm
But I even think that is something I would like
Plus I dont ever mess with Yamaha's engineering specs.they know their stuff
@@nucleartreatment7626 is that safe for you engine in long term I have mine in mint condition for 18 years and was that tune recommended by the manufacturer
@@moucheali3911 more power in the lower rpm = better drivability.
You don’t have to scream the engine unnecessarily for daily use.
I use my bike as a daily driver