This Is The Most Surreal RPG
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Disillusion ST demo:
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SomaSpice Disillusion review:
• Disillusion: The Occul...
0:00 Intro
1:34 Game info
2:40 Story setup
5:20 Gameplay & visuals
8:38 Music
11:29 Religious & philosophical themes
13:47 Ending spoilers
17:53 The mysteries
19:01 DisillusionST (sequel demo)
20:02 Conclusion/outro
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I knew the guy who made this game. Rick put a lot of work into this, and some of the characters are based on some of the guys he knew.
Knew? Did something happen to him?
@@kappo34yeah it's ominous
He's still around, as far as I can tell. Seems like he's working on a sequel, and released a prequel game in early access just last month.
@@ErroeSerenity Yeah that was the impression I got also. Just odd wording in original comment I suppose
@@ErroeSerenity Oh good. Was a bit worried with how weird and depressive the game was....
Some mythological background and theories:
About the protag:
I think it's important that according to the Talmud, God created golems before he created humans. Adam too was a golem at first, which is to say all of these golems were unfinished. Not fully 'alive'. And that's probably the reason he's outside of Samsara cannot attain enlightenment. The fact that golems also lack agency tells me that the way they enter Samsara is via disobedience. Maybe that's how Adam became a human according to the Talmud (I haven't read much more about this topic)?
About Mara:
Interesting how the game refers to her as a she, but in mythology, Mara is only ever referred to as a "he" so that's what I'll use. He can be a symbol for many different things depending on which sect of Buddhism it is. He can represent death, he can be a temptor figure, an embodiment of kleshas or the embodiment of existence itself.
In some interpretations he also has a role of keeping deva in the Heavens, preventing them from reincarnation, and reportedly he does this because he himself has too many attachments to the deva realm. He's many things. Him being a female angel in this game is a very interesting choice imo
In mythology he also approaches the Buddha to tempt him while he sat under the Bodhi Tree so that has *implications* regarding our main character. The Buddha himself started out as prince who was coddled from the world and didn't know that death, sickness, old age and birth (the four sights) existed. Maybe this is a clue in the game, you have to see these to get into Samsara and get enlightened.
He has three daughters who represent the three poisons, so the in-game Mara making the protag her son who judges the dead is very interesting. The judge of dead would be the Ten Kings of Hell in Buddhism, but maybe the protag takes on the role of King Yama specifically, except... since the tower collapses there's no way to even try to get out of Samsara now so that role is basically useless. Also the swamp is clever. Enlightenment is often symbolized by a lotus flower because it rises from the mud of the bottom of the pond and opens its petals above the murky water.
About the ending where you defeat Mara:
It makes sense that nothing really changes. When the Buddha got enlightened and started teaching the masses, he didn't end suffering, did he? He did defeat Mara temporarily and so the world is prevented from getting worse but it's still not great.
About the horse:
The historical Buddha's favorite horse was called Kanthaka and he accompanied him when he saw the four sights and when he fled his life as a prince to find his true purpose. If it's someone else's memory that implies that someone else represents the Buddha, but this is a dream game so things might be more complicated.
About the crows and the Crow Lord:
In Tibetan Buddhism, the crow is associated with Lord Mahakala. He's a deva of time, destruction, and death. In fact his name means "beyond time". He represents the inevitable and the destructive and uncaring destruction of everything. He's not bound by any laws or morals, he's what everything came from (as a manifestation of Shiva) and what everything will eventually return into. Which is why he's referred to as "the ultimate and absolute".
This game mixes different mythologies but considering the crows' role in the story, it makes sense I think.
About Melpomene:
I haven't found anything more about Melpomene than you described, but one important detail is that she's a muse of tragedy, as in the tragedy genre of plays. Theatre. Considering that she tampered with the protagonist, it's easy to see that she's a puppetmaster of sorts. Or more like a stage director.
That said, great video, great channel, I need to play this game, it looks amazing.
That’s an awesome amount of info that I never would have been able to pull together on my own. The theories and mythology that you bring up help make more aspects of the game make sense.
Thank you so much for taking the time to write this comment!
@@dungeonchill I'm glad to be of service ☺
I think I got it on how she messed you up. You are a golem and to achieve nirvana you must disobey to become human and to achieve that state. But you cannot. At no point can you disobey and strike out on your own. Your path is linear, despite what the start would have you believe with 4 paths. Melpomene is tragedy and the tragedy in this game is that the player does not have agency. Even at the end where you go against Mara, Mel falls asleep before, denying you the option to disobey. Achieving nirvana is killing her and the killing mara, which is a somewhat secret ending, implying agency that it took to do more than follow the rails of the game.
Sounds like you should make a video too lmao
So, the bit with Adam being a “golem” is the more literal use of the word, in tractate Sanhedrin 38b of the Talmud. One of the rabbis is describing the process of Adam’s creation hour by hour, made from soil drawn from all corners of the earth. The “unshaped form” is only the second hour (his limbs are lengthened in the third, he gains a soul in the fourth, and the rest is devoted to the creation of Eve and their children, because Cain and Abel exist in Eden in this narrative).
What’s perhaps more interesting is where this idea derives from. In Psalms 139, there’s a line in which David (to whom the psalm is attributed) speaks of Hashem as having seen “my unformed limbs,” referring to himself in his mother’s womb. The term used for this, and which can translate as “embryo” is “gal’mi,” but Hebrew is a root-based language. The root of that word is gimel-lamed-mem, the same root as “golem.”
All humans, in other words, are golems until we are fully formed and birthed, bestowed with a “soul” (the “breath of Hashem,” as there’s a strong connection between breath/wind and souls/spirits in Judaism, to the point that the “spirit of G-d” that passes over the water early in Genesis more directly translates to “a wind of G-d.”)
Finally, my cooking skills got recognized. Nice vid bro, good to see disillusion getting some love.
how many from the road got this recommended lmao
just came here from your vid man; when do you think we'll see walkthroughs?
@@jamesiewalters2360 with the attention the game's starting to get I'm sure we'll be seeing walkthroughs soon. In any case, it's not super difficult to get the true endings, you just gotta be very thorough while exploring each floor.
well, i hope folks will be commentating; i think we could do with the company for this.... sucks about our friend though; i'd save or revive her if i could...
@@jon...5324 best kept secret on the internet
If anyone is interested, the song playing at 10:34 is called "Soleado", performed originally by the Daniel Sentacruz Ensemble. I love the melody to pieces ever since I heard the German cover version done by Michael Holm.
Definitely checking this one out. Nice job.
You should!
Hey, I know the dev of this! Rick's the GOAT. I heard Disillusion 2 is in the works
Can’t wait!
Wow never thought I would see the day some one actually talking about this game, hopped right on this game at launch, super underrated
Every time I find a game like this I feel comforted knowing someone else with an imagination like mine can showcase their mind with such beauty. Yume Nikki was the first one I ever found way back in childhood. Then LCD: Dream Emulator. Hylics. Even Fear & Hunger. The list goes on. Sometimes my thoughts are overwhelming, freaky, and incomprehensible, but games like these remind me that it’s all high art at the end of the day. Love stuff like this fr. Always and forever. Thank you for sharing this with us.
I dunno if it's high art tho
@@Zalazaar Cool, thanks for sharing.
With an imagination like yours? Such an odd humblebrag when you haven't even done anything to contribute to this game except like it. This came from their imagination, not yours
@@headphonic8 I’m complimenting the dev for being able to do something that I’m incapable of. They are able to capture concepts that are hard for me to materialize into art. I found a new game to adore and appreciate. HOW is that a brag?
@@giga3132I don’t think it was intentional but your comment did come off a tiny bit strange by comparing yourself to them. That being said if you think you have this type of creativity then I implore you to try and channel it into something. Talent is not the bottleneck you might think it is because it’s never too late to learn skills. It’s all about passion.
This vid is both dungeon and chill. I love it 🖤
I try my best to deliver on the promise.
That pitched down song in the rain world/level is “when a child is born” by Johnny Mathis. It’s a Christmas song 😅
Yeah, the Disillusion video is here! I'm really glad you were fascinated by it, it's one of these games that really make you feel like you're stepping into an unfamiliar world that works completely differently from ours yet feels vaguely similar.
Also I'm glad to see this video has already gathered more views than your Peri video in just a day. Tho I also wish the Peripeteia would blow up somehow
It’s really interesting because it pulls from real world religions and mythologies but mixes them all together. I’m sure there are so many references I missed or didn’t even find.
Yo man just wanted to update you. The devs released a new demo of Disillusion ST just a few hours ago on Itch. It's got 150ish floors and the main dev has stated it's pretty much early access.
Oh nice. Thanks for the heads up
@@dungeonchill no problemo
I just discovered this video today and i’d like to say..this channel is so awesome!! Im so glad i find this video and channel please find more obscure stuff like this! Love it!!!
you seem like you listen to choking victim
@@rko2016 :3
Just found your channel through your Enemy Zero video. I was a tester for this game from the early stages, interesting to hear your thoughts on it and glad to see it get attention!
Dude found your channel yesterday and I’ve been binging, super sick stuff keep doing what you’re doing!
Just found your channel today and wanna say I love what you do, especially with these niche obscure games I love it
Same lol just found this channel and boy are these channels a gold mine.
@@tcg2717ikr it’s just amazing
Been really enjoying your videos these past few days. Thanks for putting the effort in. Makes my way home a bit shorter
oh man I found a new channel to love, you seem to cover a lot of games I was either drawn to in the past and loved or ones I WOULD be drawn to if I found them, youtube been doing good the past 2 weeks, happy to have found you!
Thank you! Glad you found your way here. Yeah, I don’t really know what happened recently. Just riding the wave.
@@dungeonchill Well I'm glad it happened whatever it was, creators like you with less recognition but great quality should be getting showcased more, there's no reason people with 20M subs and what not need to be plastered everywhere at all times
this game slaps so fucking hard, i found it a while back looking for dungeon crawlers to check out and it really filled every one of my holes.
ayo?
It reminded me of the small dungeon section on Hylics 2 but even more weirder, which I never thought it was possible. Thank god there's no random encounters, is my pet peeve so now i have to give it a try :D
That "Barlely satified... watch one soul cry" bit sounds eerily close to one of the lyrics from Close to the Edge by Yes.
Definitely gonna have to check this out
Definitely getting this one. Good shit brother.
Thanks. I want more people to play this, so we can figure out more of its secrets
Ive been binging your videos since I found you today. I really hope more people come to find you and subscribe to you!
Thanks! I appreciate that. Glad you're enjoying the videos!
I am really entranced with this game can’t wait to get my hands on it. Great job covering it and convincing me to give it a try 🤩
Hey, found your channel and commenced a binge watch. Great stuff! I'd like to suggest you cover Hylics. It seems like it would mesh well with other games you've done videos on so far. In any case, thanks for great content!
0:36 seems like an Alice In Chains reference
I wish more people would play this game.
This is making me wonder when you will cover the hard-to-come-by game of LSD for the original Playstation.
I commented that before I finished, now I'm wondering if this is a port of LSD.
Edit: And then you go off and mention LSD. Same vibe I guess?
Haha, I think LSD and Eastern Mind (made by the same team and came out before LSD) were major influences on the dev. And I plan to cover both of those in the future.
Sold.
EDIT: Three bucks!? I was ready to get out $20.
Multiple copies as gifts it is.
Imma say it
Mels cute
waifu
Gotta agree, everytime I see her in-game after exploring the dark halls I breathe a sigh of relief.
first video of yours where i get to try something new, neat !
This is super interesting! When someone develops a "weird" game, it usually ends up being more of an "experience" than game. So it is refreshing (and exciting) to learn about a "weird" and "real" game.
I discovered Disillusion’s sequel through Vinny and I’m loving it so far, and your video on the original makes me wanna try it.
Funny thing about the text at the ending, show at at 15:42 The text is fairly similar to the song "Close to the Edge" by the band "Yes". The actual lyrics are:
"Two million people barely satisfy
Two hundred women watch one woman cry"
There's actually quite a lot of references to the band throughout the game, I just assume Disillusion Dev is a big fan of them.
Absolutely playing this.
i just got the game literally yesterday, because of one of your other videos.
Love to hear it.
I know an RPG maker game when I see it
Games and games like them are a whole indie genre, they really blur the line between random humor and surreal stuff. Space Funeral was the first one I knew
Huh I remember that LSD game but i don't think it had much narrative to it which is why I didn't really get into it. I might be able to play this though since the story sounds interesting
Very interesting. Thx
Very interesting... I think I will give it a go.
Sadly, the game doesn't have regional pricing and is a bit expensive more me, but I will try to get it as soon as I can.
I hope the dev is still around. I would also love to see the sequel when it comes out.
Ugh, the sound file of the woman reading the stories. I know that from my arg/chaotic fiction/weird Internet stuff days. I think Night Mind or someone did a video on her but I can't remember the details offhand. She has some... wild stuff.
I have a soft spot for dungeon crawlers & strange stories, so this game instantly appealed to me lol.
I just watched this video yesterday, and all day today I found Mel's theme stuck in my head. You're definitely right about the types of feelings it evokes! For me it's a very melancholic, very wistful... very nostalgic type of thing. It's really good! :)
The, uhm... "rainy area" theme, though... *really* freaks me out 😰 I'm sure that that's probably intentional; but damn... they nailed it lol.
Something about taking Acid i've experienced a lot, is I find myself having a NEED to walk, and keep walking, like i'm trying to get to a peaceful beach to watch a sunrise. All the while i'm struggling to keep myself existing as me
Very Samsara
bought it cuz of you i loves these types of goofy games
One thing to note, Mara is a dude. Thought it be funny to point out because in other media (such as SMT) he is portrayed as sentient genitalia
I watched until the spoiler warning. I'm sold. Buying it now. 🎉
The music in the rain world is Soleado, isn't it?
Watched wondering on the random fights affected anything or of killing them was good (as long as they didn't provide anything of course). Glad to see there's probably nothing to it. Is there a way to travel between floors, downwards?
Amazing channel man! Instant subscribe. A lot of this philosophical stuff seems to come from Tibetan Buddhism rather than the Vedas - although this worldview has began with the Vedas, so it's not wrong, it's just a particular branch of a very broad and varied family so to speak. For example, the phrase "wisdom of emptiness and clear light in union" is really a what tantric Buddhists believe as per nature of reality
pausing video to go buy game, thank you for the introduction to an epic piece of artistic expression
lets gooooo
What in the hylics 2 is this?
I have a feeling that pork rind pb and j would be nice if its chicarons with pbj
"The best kept secret on the internet?" Well not after some guy exposed it in a TH-cam video!
Anyone who's ever played Persona or any SMT game starts raising eyebrows when Mara appears
what’s the name of the song with the lady that starts reading the winter story
That song is "Now Rain" by Selected Easy Listening - the whole soundtrack seems to be taken from three different albums that are hosted on an independent bandcamp label. The dev uploaded them all here - /watch?v=a6jp34T5fhs
I like how the name of the game isn’t mentioned in the title of your video
The song at 10:55 is "Tränen lügen nicht" isn't it?
After playing Hylics this seems interesting enough to try.
you can solve the game with the steam guides map section, it details the listing for obtaining the golden pig, CAUTION: ITS A HEFTY QUEST
Are there anymore games like this one? I really enjoyed it
Maybe hypnagogia?
Not sure of any to myself, but the sequel is in the works and you can play a WIP version of it right now.
Anyone know of a good play through of this game? I watched the only one I could find and a lot was missing? The ending and Mel weren’t there at all
anyone else get a distinct "Moraff's Unforgiven" vibe from this?
Dude I found your channel a week or so ago and I've been OBSESSED!! your content reminds me of a blend of ross's game dungeon, grimbeard, civvie 11, madaloregaming, and just a dash of your favourite son (like in your voice quality, tone, delevery). Excellent stuff mate 🧶🐈⬛⚧️
Oh hey, its the VX Ace version of the FPLE script I only recently learned existed (Alongside the XP version). What a coincidence. Lol.
After I started to play Etrian Odyssey 4 (Still haven't finished that), I've really wanted to make a DRPG like this, so discovering those scripts was really cool to me cause the XP version runs SO much better than the MV one, and it looks nicer too (I don't own VX Ace, but this game seems to make good use of its version).
It will never fail to impress me how people somehow could transform RPG Maker into a pseudo-3D engine, especially these earlier versions. As someone who knows very little about code/programming, this is basically computer witchcraft to me. Lmao.
4:44 my therapist be like
I was surprised with how deep the writing in this game could be. The unique take on Buddhist cosmology, especially the bits you find in the library, were inspired. It's not one of those games where everything feels meaningless or random, and when you take some time to really dissect it, it's rewarding. It's one of those games that doesn't take itself too seriously but still has meaningful things to say. Mel's characterization in the game was great too, even though after playing the prequel it took me a little time to get accustomed how different her personality here was. After playing the original though, I'm honestly a little disappointed that the prequel seems to be going for a much more morose character which feels a bit more generic.
As for not being able to get the bad ending, I'm 99% sure this is caused by a bug due to developer oversight. I'm pretty sure what you have to do is upset Mel to the point where she leaves then go for the true ending. However one of the requirements to reach the true ending requires Mel to not have left. There's a fan-made, developer-approved patch that fixes a lot of the bugs the game has and I'd suggest anyone interested in playing this check it out.
Have you played LISA? It just had a Definitive Edition come out and is an amazing game
I haven’t played it, but I’ve seen it around. Added to the wishlist
Reminds of the PS1 game, Baroque.
Woah, it's me.
Its using Buddhist philosophy more than strictly Vedic/Hindu. Mentions of the Eightfold Path etc. plus samsara is also a representation of being stuck in suffering and cyclical existence, even in a more physical/death and reconstitution of matter even etc. the idea of someone saving others by putting off their own ascentuon, either in Nirvana or Paranirvana or both depending on specifics/sects belief, its the Mahayana Buddhist (Zen, Chan) concept of the Bodhisattva, which also has a version in Vajrayana or Tibetan Buddhism. Mara was also the personification of desire and suffering when the Buddha was under the tree attaining enlightenment. So yeah you had the general idea, but theres a variety of specifics i noticed too that is utilized in this game, which do turn up in a variety of other games where the designers are influenced by Buddhism, Mahayana or Thervada or Vajraysna versions to varying degrees. The crow lord seems to represent the older Hindu ideas of deity at the time of the buddha, which had been corrupted by some of the top of the caste system at the time (which has happened to some degree today in both religions, tho with varying intensities - the tourist temples in Bangkok come to mind, etc) Seems pretty fascinating!
Welp! If I didn't have a headache before 😅
mel looks cute
How long does it take to beat this game?
So im pretty new to the whole pc gaming thing. I purchased this game out of excitement on steam not knowing I couldn't play it because I have a mac. Does anyone know of an easy way I can try to run that's been tried and true ? Thanks ❤
And, of course, anime. Whenever a lone nerd makes something, it has to be some part anime.
The game is bananas, though. Quite the experience.
Reminds me of doomRPG for old school java phones 😂😂😂
18:27 You fight the Double Soy Dragon Brothers
The latin word for passion is passio
awwwww why didn't you mention the price at the beginning of the video? I woulda bought it, that's such a good deal! Then I woulda watched the video after playing the game.
Oh well. Still great video!
well we can agree on that
This is disco!
so, hindu mithology kinda have a lot more than one hell, i was born in a hindu family, but i don`t study a lot of it, but this fact interested me for a while. there`s even a cold hell, like, a place just like hell, but made of ice, and i think that`s worse than fire.
I usually don't like First Person games, but that's because of how hyperbolic shooters tend to be. Still, this surreal, maze-like dungeon crawler is definitely right up my alley.
Nice. 1st person shooters are hit and miss for me, but I love first person dungeon crawlers and adventure games
While I kind of appreciate the style of the game, as well as its weird atmosphere, I got a migraine just from watching this video because of the clashing colours. I can't imagine playing it. My eyeballs would bleed and my screaming would fill the empty, endless void.
YAYYYYY
Going to do my favorite youtube boost with reviews of games I want to play. Comment for engagement, then mute and let play to the end without watching to get not spoiled. (And come back later)
Desilusion S T
DST
I'm afraid...
Ok this one is interesting. I will check it out one day. Too bad the 2nd game doesn't have combat. That's a big pass for me then.
ive been plahing this game since its early unfinished builds. its prolly the closest thing to dragon quest/mother+lsd dream emulator ive played.
Ena vibes i love it
The track you find so disturbing seems to be some form of cover version of the German song "Tears don't lie/Tränen lügen nicht," which apparently had its melody used for a Christmas song called "When a Child Is Born" as well.
I dont want to be that guy, but videos like this envy pc gamers, i cant even afford current gen consoles.... But its why i love watching these videos too
whuh da helllll
That font is hard to read
At 10:35 its a German song called Tränen lügen nicht or tears don't lie in English
I feel like the dev missed a bit of an opportunity in not calling the sequel "DisillusioniST".
And the prequel Disillusional
i dig your content but i often decide not to watch it because of two things. the video are to short for my liking and since you are going for grimbeard style content you are missing the background music he uses. these brooding dark tracks (he makes them i think) you need sth like that to put your content on the next level
Is this game created in India?
Referring to 0:18,
Bhool Bhoolaiya means labyrinth in Hindi
Lord Ganesha is a God in Hindu mythology
I don’t know the developers background, but there are many references to Hindu, Buddhism, as well as Jewish folklore and Greek mythology. And probably many more references that I didn’t find.
I think there's just a big fascination for eastern spirituality all over world. So references to Hindu or Buddhist mythology can be found in a lot of western media.