You've put it in a nutshell. Unfortunately, xTool has not done a brilliant job. Unfortunately, I don't understand it either. Such an important point was implemented so badly. But let's hope it gets better in the future.
Hello Justin, thanks for the content. I used your affiliate to buy my first laser the S1. I discovered the issue about the inline fan when I bought the 6" inline...same company. I fixed It by using a plumbing adapter for clay lines. They have them in big box stores...but not the 6". I found them online....they range from 7 to 54 dollars depending on who you buy from. I was impatient and bought mine from a local plumbing supply for 24.00 and ordered 2 more online since I will be getting a couple more lasers. Sorry for the edit but i forgot when you put the on they are very snug and you will have to squeez a bit to get them on...justvuse the clamps that come with it to keep on.
Interesting I will look that up. I wish all the adapters and ducting were a standard size its annoying how some fit and some dont. Thank you for using the link I appreciate it!
I'm building a filtration system that includes an AC Infinity Cloudline S6, a 402 CFM external fan. I've purchased all of the measuring equipment necessary to monitor airflow and airborne contaminants. The goal is to eliminate 99.97% of particles (basically, everything larger than 0.3 microns) and to make the filtration system economical to operate. AC Infinity makes an activated carbon filter that can be modified to make the carbon replaceable, and activated carbon can be purchased in bulk bags (enough to last for years) for about $100 USD. The biggest problem is locating a source for cost effective HEPA filters that actually work and do not have an obnoxious chemical odor (which most of the cheap Chinese filters do). I cannot see expending up to $4,200 USD (or possibly more) for the filter packs available from xTool, Gweike, and other vendors of small air filter systems (which include undersized fans that will certainly fail if subjected to heavy use or if the filters become clogged). Note: When using the xTool Conveyor Feeder for P2 the exhaust duct must be oriented toward the side of the P2 to allow material to pass through the P2 Riser Base. If the duct is oriented downward, then it will interfere with material passing through, causing damage to the duct and possibly breaking the feed mechanism.
The biggest problem with the DIY 3-stage filter setups is the pressure drop through the different stages is significant and most of the time you need a high CFM centrifugal fan to make it viable. The S6 wont have enough juice to pull through Pre-filter/HEPA/Carbon. I tried just adding a basic MERV 6 hvac filter for my Boss and it cut the CFM significantly. Some people make it work but I havent seen a good setup. Ive been using a Filtrabox Compact for years and the filter replacements are ridiculous expensive but I have no choice right now. Good luck with your setup!
@@justinlaser You do realize that the xTool, Gweike, and similar filter systems use a much smaller and less powerful fans to pull through three stages of filters, right? The filter packs they use include a prefilter, a HEPA filter, and an activated carbon filter. While the filter systems available from the laser manufacturers do work, they are only suitable for occasional use by hobbyists. When used for production work the filters only last about two weeks of one shift at 8 hours per day. Given the filter packs cost $150 to $200 the annual expense makes using a laser too expensive to turn a profit. I could just vent the exhaust to atmosphere, but even if I didn't care about the environment (which I do) my wife would never permit it. She's concerned that laser exhaust contains carcinogens (which it does) and that it could harm animals that could be exposed to it. She has yet to express any concern about my exposure, but then she knows I wear a mask that filters airborne contaminants larger than 3 microns anyway. I learned my lesson about damaging my lungs from a decade of inhaling dust from grinding exotic metal alloys. The heavy metals deposit in the lungs and other vital organs, from which they cannot be removed. I refuse to do further damage by breathing in wood dust and airborne toxins. There is a reason why I am designing a filter system instead of just throwing one together and hoping it will work.
Have you considered starting with a simple wet scrubber tank prior to the dry filters? This could lighten the load for the dry filters, trading saving money on the filters for the proper handling of contaminated waste water. 1. Exhaust Air Intake: The inline fan draws the polluted air from the laser cutting machine and pushes it into the wet scrubber below water level. 2. Water Scrubbing Tank: Initial Filtration: Air is bubbled through the water, capturing larger particulates and some soluble gases. Mist Stage: Above the water, a fine mist spray helps to capture smaller particulates and additional pollutants, enhancing the overall scrubbing efficiency. 3. HEPA Filtration: The air, now significantly cleaner but still containing fine particulates, passes through a HEPA filter which captures particles down to 0.3 microns. 4. Activated Carbon Filtration: The almost clean air passes through the activated carbon filter, which adsorbs remaining VOCs, odors, and other gaseous pollutants. 5. Clean Air Exhaust: Finally, the clean air is exhausted outside, ensuring the indoor air quality remains high. To responsibly handle waste water, you could by allow it to settle, decant clarified water for re-use in the system (or safe disposal), and dispose of settled sludge according to local regulations.
Have done very similar to my S1. Unfortunately the flow of air into the closed S1 restricts the efficiency of the exhaust strength. Have read that putting a magnet under the R corner of the lid allows you to have the lid open a little during operation for better air flow,no longer a class 1 laser though. 8:02
XTool sells a basically rebranded S4 inline fan that is designed specifically for the S1 which I bought so unless I’m missing something this solution may not be necessary. Let me tell you the exhaust hose that comes with it is absolutely a beast wayyyyy better than the cloud hose which I thought was very high quality I had the S6 on my glowforge
Didnt know they did the 4" for the S1 I know they had a 6" modded for the P2. Probably would do that if ordering all at once but in my case already had the laser and fan here.
I was about to buy the adapter, but i found a 3d print file for a 6 inch duct straight from the machine. You installed a fan spacer. is it necessary or can it do without?
Thank you for so much info - with regards to working on rubber (making rubber texture mats - like large stamps) which laser would you recommend out of the S1 and P2???
I actually just received my S1 this week i appreciate your video. My issue is trying to figure out how to vent out the window. My basement windows open outwards and i certainly do not have much room to modify it. Would not want to have air possibly leak as our winters here in Canada get rather cold, lol. For my D1 Pro i was just using the Atomstack Air purifier, it was not enough.. The xtool air purifier people seemed mixed on it, it seems rather overpriced i think
That sounds like a tough situation without modding the window. I use a real deal 3-stage purifier for my big co2 laser. Works great its just really expensive and the filter replacements arent cheap either. If you want to investigate that route look at the Filtrabox Micro or maybe a small BOFA.
Hello, but could it be that with the S1 it turned out better because in addition to the in-line fan you also left the standard one? I didn't understand why in P2 it wouldn't have made sense to leave both fans. Thanks for your kind reply
Thanks! Its attached through the inside of the frame not the outside like the P2. Im sure you can remove it but it looks like some serious laser surgery I didnt want to do quite yet.
@@justinlaser Yes, I agree. That said, it restricts the airflow plus could there be a negative impact on the mother board for the electric charge created by the external fan creating spin on the internal fan. I lean towards pulling it if it would not void the warranty or create error faults preventing the laser from running. Thanks!
Hey thanks! How did you remove the S1 stock fan?? Can you even do that? I dont think you can and now I have a removed stock fan on the S1 stuggling to put it back in, 2 of the screws fell to the bottom inside the machine :( someone please help!!!
Love your videos, I live in Transylvania and own a land next to one of the most visited waterfalls in the area. I'm opening a small mobile coffee shop this summer and thinking about building a small shed and starting to make on-demand picture engraving on wood. Will I be able to get some advice from you and some tips? Please let me know if there is a way to mentor me, a way to get in touch, and how much will cost your tutoring. Thanks! P.S. I'm not a vampire 😅😅😂
Thanks for the info! Could you rotate the new outlets 90° or even 180° if clearance is an issue? So, instead of the new outlet venting downwards, it would go to the side or upwards.
If your watching this video don’t get the inline fan. It’s a waste of money and is complete garbage. Just get a harbor freight shop vac and have another hose duct connect to the back of it into the fume extractor. You want shop vac with 4hp, buy a 4inch duck and a 3in to 2 inch rubber adapter and connect it into the shop vac . Make sure to remove the hose connection attachment in the vacuum and stick the 2in to 3inch rubber adapter into it. And you’ll be set.
You've put it in a nutshell. Unfortunately, xTool has not done a brilliant job. Unfortunately, I don't understand it either. Such an important point was implemented so badly. But let's hope it gets better in the future.
Hello Justin, thanks for the content. I used your affiliate to buy my first laser the S1. I discovered the issue about the inline fan when I bought the 6" inline...same company. I fixed It by using a plumbing adapter for clay lines. They have them in big box stores...but not the 6". I found them online....they range from 7 to 54 dollars depending on who you buy from. I was impatient and bought mine from a local plumbing supply for 24.00 and ordered 2 more online since I will be getting a couple more lasers. Sorry for the edit but i forgot when you put the on they are very snug and you will have to squeez a bit to get them on...justvuse the clamps that come with it to keep on.
Interesting I will look that up. I wish all the adapters and ducting were a standard size its annoying how some fit and some dont. Thank you for using the link I appreciate it!
Currently looking at getting a P2 and was wondering what to do about extract, thanks for making such a clear and helpful video!
Been using this adaptor since day 1!
A must have!
@@justinlaser yep and agree straight is the way to go for most folks
I'm building a filtration system that includes an AC Infinity Cloudline S6, a 402 CFM external fan. I've purchased all of the measuring equipment necessary to monitor airflow and airborne contaminants. The goal is to eliminate 99.97% of particles (basically, everything larger than 0.3 microns) and to make the filtration system economical to operate.
AC Infinity makes an activated carbon filter that can be modified to make the carbon replaceable, and activated carbon can be purchased in bulk bags (enough to last for years) for about $100 USD. The biggest problem is locating a source for cost effective HEPA filters that actually work and do not have an obnoxious chemical odor (which most of the cheap Chinese filters do). I cannot see expending up to $4,200 USD (or possibly more) for the filter packs available from xTool, Gweike, and other vendors of small air filter systems (which include undersized fans that will certainly fail if subjected to heavy use or if the filters become clogged).
Note: When using the xTool Conveyor Feeder for P2 the exhaust duct must be oriented toward the side of the P2 to allow material to pass through the P2 Riser Base. If the duct is oriented downward, then it will interfere with material passing through, causing damage to the duct and possibly breaking the feed mechanism.
The biggest problem with the DIY 3-stage filter setups is the pressure drop through the different stages is significant and most of the time you need a high CFM centrifugal fan to make it viable. The S6 wont have enough juice to pull through Pre-filter/HEPA/Carbon. I tried just adding a basic MERV 6 hvac filter for my Boss and it cut the CFM significantly. Some people make it work but I havent seen a good setup. Ive been using a Filtrabox Compact for years and the filter replacements are ridiculous expensive but I have no choice right now. Good luck with your setup!
@@justinlaser You do realize that the xTool, Gweike, and similar filter systems use a much smaller and less powerful fans to pull through three stages of filters, right? The filter packs they use include a prefilter, a HEPA filter, and an activated carbon filter.
While the filter systems available from the laser manufacturers do work, they are only suitable for occasional use by hobbyists. When used for production work the filters only last about two weeks of one shift at 8 hours per day. Given the filter packs cost $150 to $200 the annual expense makes using a laser too expensive to turn a profit.
I could just vent the exhaust to atmosphere, but even if I didn't care about the environment (which I do) my wife would never permit it. She's concerned that laser exhaust contains carcinogens (which it does) and that it could harm animals that could be exposed to it. She has yet to express any concern about my exposure, but then she knows I wear a mask that filters airborne contaminants larger than 3 microns anyway.
I learned my lesson about damaging my lungs from a decade of inhaling dust from grinding exotic metal alloys. The heavy metals deposit in the lungs and other vital organs, from which they cannot be removed. I refuse to do further damage by breathing in wood dust and airborne toxins.
There is a reason why I am designing a filter system instead of just throwing one together and hoping it will work.
Have you considered starting with a simple wet scrubber tank prior to the dry filters? This could lighten the load for the dry filters, trading saving money on the filters for the proper handling of contaminated waste water.
1. Exhaust Air Intake:
The inline fan draws the polluted air from the laser cutting machine and pushes it into the wet scrubber below water level.
2. Water Scrubbing Tank:
Initial Filtration: Air is bubbled through the water, capturing larger particulates and some soluble gases.
Mist Stage: Above the water, a fine mist spray helps to capture smaller particulates and additional pollutants, enhancing the overall scrubbing efficiency.
3. HEPA Filtration:
The air, now significantly cleaner but still containing fine particulates, passes through a HEPA filter which captures particles down to 0.3 microns.
4. Activated Carbon Filtration:
The almost clean air passes through the activated carbon filter, which adsorbs remaining VOCs, odors, and other gaseous pollutants.
5. Clean Air Exhaust:
Finally, the clean air is exhausted outside, ensuring the indoor air quality remains high.
To responsibly handle waste water, you could by allow it to settle, decant clarified water for re-use in the system (or safe disposal), and dispose of settled sludge according to local regulations.
Great information here Justin thank you for sharing!
Thank you sir!
Congrats on breaking 20k!
Appreciate it!!
Amazin video thank you! Keep it up! Super clean and awesome laser channel
Appreciate it thank you!
Have done very similar to my S1. Unfortunately the flow of air into the closed S1 restricts the efficiency of the exhaust strength. Have read that putting a magnet under the R corner of the lid allows you to have the lid open a little during operation for better air flow,no longer a class 1 laser though. 8:02
Makes sense! Im sure someone will eventually go around drilling holes under the bed to get some more air into that thing.
Hey that is an idea!
XTool sells a basically rebranded S4 inline fan that is designed specifically for the S1 which I bought so unless I’m missing something this solution may not be necessary. Let me tell you the exhaust hose that comes with it is absolutely a beast wayyyyy better than the cloud hose which I thought was very high quality I had the S6 on my glowforge
Didnt know they did the 4" for the S1 I know they had a 6" modded for the P2. Probably would do that if ordering all at once but in my case already had the laser and fan here.
@@justinlaser my apologies I may be wrong it might be the S6 that I ordered with the S1
I was about to buy the adapter, but i found a 3d print file for a 6 inch duct straight from the machine. You installed a fan spacer. is it necessary or can it do without?
Just got my first xtool. Picked up the s1 and the first thing I noticed was the exhaust vent issue lol
Haha yeah it leaves much to be desired on that front.
There is also an adapter for the F1. I have Xtool's inline fan and say adapter so both the P2 and F1 work off the same path.
Very cool glad they incorporated the F1 too.
Thank you for so much info - with regards to working on rubber (making rubber texture mats - like large stamps) which laser would you recommend out of the S1 and P2???
I actually just received my S1 this week i appreciate your video. My issue is trying to figure out how to vent out the window. My basement windows open outwards and i certainly do not have much room to modify it. Would not want to have air possibly leak as our winters here in Canada get rather cold, lol. For my D1 Pro i was just using the Atomstack Air purifier, it was not enough.. The xtool air purifier people seemed mixed on it, it seems rather overpriced i think
That sounds like a tough situation without modding the window. I use a real deal 3-stage purifier for my big co2 laser. Works great its just really expensive and the filter replacements arent cheap either. If you want to investigate that route look at the Filtrabox Micro or maybe a small BOFA.
@@justinlaser Thank you Justin, i may very well look into this. i appreciate the suggestion
Any tips on cleaning the cloudline fan? Does it need to be cleaned like the stock fan?
So do you find removing the built-in fan helps?
Hello, but could it be that with the S1 it turned out better because in addition to the in-line fan you also left the standard one? I didn't understand why in P2 it wouldn't have made sense to leave both fans. Thanks for your kind reply
Thanks for the video! What was the reason that you could not remove the S1 internal fan?
Thanks! Its attached through the inside of the frame not the outside like the P2. Im sure you can remove it but it looks like some serious laser surgery I didnt want to do quite yet.
@@justinlaser Yes, I agree. That said, it restricts the airflow plus could there be a negative impact on the mother board for the electric charge created by the external fan creating spin on the internal fan. I lean towards pulling it if it would not void the warranty or create error faults preventing the laser from running. Thanks!
The wires don't have a connector near the fan. I looked at pulling panels to fish the wire out, gave up after 5 minutes and clipped the wires.
@@mikelougheedDid the laser run correctly, any error codes. Thanks
@@MWE-693 it ran fine. I taped the wires to prevent a short.
Thank you!!!
Do you think this will still work with the riser base installed?
Hey thanks! How did you remove the S1 stock fan?? Can you even do that? I dont think you can and now I have a removed stock fan on the S1 stuggling to put it back in, 2 of the screws fell to the bottom inside the machine :( someone please help!!!
is there a similar set up avail for the m1
Not sure Ill have to look around Etsy. Im sure people are rigging 4" inline fans for them already in some capacity.
Love your videos, I live in Transylvania and own a land next to one of the most visited waterfalls in the area. I'm opening a small mobile coffee shop this summer and thinking about building a small shed and starting to make on-demand picture engraving on wood. Will I be able to get some advice from you and some tips? Please let me know if there is a way to mentor me, a way to get in touch, and how much will cost your tutoring. Thanks!
P.S. I'm not a vampire 😅😅😂
Can you just rotate the adapter 90° to avoid clearance issues?
They make a horizontal orientation one but due to the bolt pattern you cant just rotate the vertical.
@@justinlaser gotya
Thanks for the info!
Could you rotate the new outlets 90° or even 180° if clearance is an issue? So, instead of the new outlet venting downwards, it would go to the side or upwards.
The horizontal version can point left or right, and the vertical version can point up or down.
Direct from the source!
What about filtration of the air?
Did you used to be on TMZ?
Just turn the elbow 90 degrees.
If your watching this video don’t get the inline fan. It’s a waste of money and is complete garbage. Just get a harbor freight shop vac and have another hose duct connect to the back of it into the fume extractor. You want shop vac with 4hp, buy a 4inch duck and a 3in to 2 inch rubber adapter and connect it into the shop vac . Make sure to remove the hose connection attachment in the vacuum and stick the 2in to 3inch rubber adapter into it. And you’ll be set.