Supersizing an Ender 3 V2: CR-10 Max for half the money - Ender Extender kit
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- Can you replicate a CR-10 Max 3D printer for half the money? In this video we are going to find out, by fitting an Ender Extender V2 kit, MDD direct drive kit, and EZR struder to the much cheaper Ender 3 V2. The results are pretty good, especially for the discounted price.
Ender Extender kit and MDD kit provided free of charge for making this video. All opinions expressed are my own.
(Mostly affiliate) links to products in the video:
Creality CR-10 Max (official store): www.creality3dofficial.com/pr...
Creality CR-10 Max (Amazon): amzn.to/2n8MPC0
Creality Ender 3 V2 (official store): www.creality3dofficial.com/pr...
Creality Ender 3 V2 (Amazon): amzn.to/3eVes8r
Ender Extender kits: enderextender.com/collections...
Glass bed: enderextender.com/collections...
AC powered heated bed: enderextender.com/collections...
Dual z kit: enderextender.com/collections...
Printermods dot com Modular direct drive kit: printermods.com/products/dire...
EZR struder: www.seemecnc.com/products/ezr...
Genuine BLtouch (at least 1.5m extension cable recommended):
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Resources:
Ender Extender instructions: enderextender.com/pages/insta...
MDD instructions: printermods.freshdesk.com/sup...
My GitHub for firmware: github.com/teachingtechYT/Mar...
E-steps calibration guide: teachingtechyt.github.io/cali...
PID autotune guide: teachingtechyt.github.io/cali...
CR-10 Max review: • CR-10 Max review - Is ...
Ender 3 V2 review: • Ender 3 V2 vs BIQU B1 ...
Ender 3 V2 BLtouch / firmware update video: • Creality 32 bit V4 boa...
MDD V1.2 guide: • Modular direct drive k...
EZR struder guide: • EZR extruder tested on...
Models in the video:
FAB365 Foldable school cabinet: fab365.net/items/155
Low poly cat: www.thingiverse.com/thing:277...
0:00 Introduction
1:47 Ender Extender overview
2:54 Disassembly
4:19 Ender Extender assembly
9:28 Price comparison 1
11:23 MDD V1.3 overview and installation
13:41 EZR struder installation
15:16 Test prints
16:29 Price comparison 2
17:01 Performance comparison
17:41 Conclusion
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Just noticed you used my Low Poly Cat model, it looks great!
Gotta love a random saying somethings yours
@@Joey-Jdi he literally links to my model 😂
@@AndrewSink Gotta love a random getting bothered by an affirmation but not getting bothered to check the validity of that affirmation.
BTW, I printed your "Low Poly Cat!" and it's, indeed, cool. Thank you, man!
*Meows in 8 bit*
"Ender Extender"
Beautiful name
This was a fun video to watch. I love the idea of just constantly modding your printer like a sports car, until it is the exact thing you need.
My Interests and Funds are often in opposition on what they'll allow...
Haha same here, very well stated....Laurie
I love when you did the first ender 3 extension that helped me set one of my future mod goals for my recently purchased ender 3
I think one of the big draws with the Ender 3 V2 is it can grow with you. Tons of options for it from auto bed leveling, filament detection, direct drive, and making it bigger like what you did here. It's awesome to be able to get into the hobby inexpensive and upgrade as you go.
I just have to say I really enjoy your videos. You go into enough depth to cover the steps, but still keep the video moving. I like the idea of upgrading in steps, as I am using these as a hobby also. My next upgrade will be the Octoprint, following your install videos and instructions for OctoLapse also. Thanks again!
Back again to watch the disassembly montage...so nice
Thanks for the time, you have clear a lot of my doubts regarding my decision to buy the E3 v2 and later expand.
Excellent video. I was holding back for a more expensive printer just cause eventually size would be an issue but now I’m gonna grab one. Thanks so much.
I really love how you are very good at what you are doing and still don't gatekeep at all. This positivity is what we need
The Ender Extender! 😂 I love the name, and the idea, getting my Ender 3 V2 soon and I'm sure I will eventually want more print space, so this is very interesting to me. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks man. I just finished setting up the extender for my V2. Great video help here.
Likewise i alao didnt have 1000$ but i could buy and ender3 and hop up parts gradually im working on making mine a dual extruder and plan on ordering my ender extender this week.. Your videos are great resources for tinkerers like me.. Please keep up the great work
thank you soooo very much ive been wanting to get into this hobby for a while and your vids are top of the class
Just picked up a ender 3 v2 as my first printer! For 229 usd !!!
Can't wait to get going :)
My advice is to get to know it in stock form first before you mod it, then have fun as you see fit.
Where from for 230?
@@nokeyzF Comgrow is selling refurbished v1's for $120. Never dealt with them, but they are a big seller on Amazon and seem solid enough, but without first hand experience I cant recommend them either.
I am not sure that I would normally buy a refurbished unit if you was going to keep it stock, but if you are going to modify it anyway, then it seems like a pretty smart plan. The Ender Extender kit is available for the v1 also.
comgrow3d.com/products/refurbished-3d-printer?variant=32000688226347
@@jon9947 thanks for the information...I'm planning to get one very soon and eventually modify but I keep flip flopping between getting a v1 and v2 as a base.
The silent board is the the biggest plus for going v2 for me and the psu would already be upgraded to the mean well (heard some bad things about the generic psu). On the other hand the v1 is a "cheaper" base to build off of.
@@nokeyzF No problem. I cant speak about the silent boards, as my printer sits in its own location, and noise dosnt matter to me any. I got my v1 September of 2019, and I have had no problems with it.
I kinda think the mean well psu's are just something that has been overly hyped. Iv heard bad things about non mean well's, but surly they are not the only brand that can make a good psu. That is just an opinion and I have nothing to back it up other than mine is still working.
All that said, if it is something you are going to eventually upgrade, and not upgrade as soon as you get it then I would likely go with a brand new printer and not worry about the possibility that something is wrong, they are refurbished. That is just what I would do though.
The disassembly montage with the music is so satisfying to watch. I did this upgrade last year and watched it probably 10 times and now just watch it again because it's so well done.
LOL!
Nice chop-chop t-shirt :) was nice seeing you on MCM
I just bought the 400XL kit for my original ender3 and really like it. Thanks for your help!
this might be the best reason to have dual extruders. Excited that I upgraded to the EZR struder
I know this an older video but man......I LOVED IT!
It's probably one of your best when I comes to doing an upgrading montage.
Instructions flowed superbly. I felt like I was doing the conversion myself!
Thank you for ALL you videos.
You're the got to source for all 3D printers instructions and reviews!
Older video? Lmao 🤣 It's 4 months old. 3 months when you made the comment. You think that's old?
@@dangerous8333 I'm glad someone has nothing else to do than to tell someone what's relevant to them. I said a LOT more in my comment than just how old the video was. It wasn't the focus. It was positive. Thanking someone for hard work but just like a lot of people on social media, even though they have nothing nice to say, they say it anyways.
If you look at the NUMBER of videos the channel owner puts out in 3 months, this is an OLDER video. When you've have back surgery to remove a tumor and replaced with 12 screws like me, and you just have to sit here daily until a year passes and you've hopefully healed in the that allotted time, yesssss 3 months can seem older to me considering how many TH-cam videos I watch and learn from everyday. Unlike you, until now with this reply, I haven't wasted time like this responding to a waste of digital space of a comment as it is so precious to me.
When's my next chemo appointment? Did they get "it" all? How much longer do I have? I have these questions to ask myself daily while trying to learn how to use a 3D printer so maybe I can make some income to pay bills and to eat.
So yes, please ignore the other 130 words out of 150 of where I'm thanks someone and building them up....saying thank you. Pat yourself on your older back (time doesn't stop for you...sorry) because you never know what may be to you, a simple butthole comment to attempt to make yourself a little "cooler", can do to someone in depression and a constant "10.9" on the pain scale. That person (me) may decide not to get any older......any more.
I have the ender 3 pro and have done the 400xl kit on it. also did other upgrades like direct drive, bl touch, upgraded heat bed, microswiss, dual z kit, skr 1.4 turbo, 2208 stepper motors, upgraded tft 35v3.3 display. and i have to say still have less than buying a large printer and it allowed me to scratch my itch for tinkering. thanks for the videos as always. love your stuff.
Awesome video Michael!
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for. I'm just getting started and waiting for my Ender 3 V2 to arrive. I want to eventually scale up to larger prints, and this is a very cost effective way to do it. Thanks!
Same here, Just ordered the 3 V2 as well, should have it Thursday. Hows it been working out for you so far?
Hey I want to say your channel is one of the best channels on youtube about 3D printing, with Angus and Chep you are so knowledgable I wish I were as smart as you guys are. For me is better not to make big changes on my poor ender 3 because if I screw it I cant afford to repair it (the issues of living on a third world country) I love learning from you guys I want to thanks you for all the effort you and love you put on make this videos. Thanks a lot and greetins from Costa Rica.
I just picked up an original ender 3 for $80 and n byhew ow I got every upgrade or Mod that seemed like a good idea. Now I just have to figure out how to put it all together correctly and install Klipper. I wouldn’t even have attempted to try this without your inspiration. Thanks. Best creator on TH-cam
I learned so much from this channel over the last year. You do a great job Michael! You're on point for sure. Please let me know if you ever figure out the neopixels on the SKR mini e3 v1.2. I'm going nuts over here. Lol, anyway thanks for melting my brain.
This was freaking sweet. Thanks for the video. Definitely going to extend my 3 v-2.
Did you do it?
@@chrinamint I did, and then I bought a Prusa i3 MK3S+, and now they both run pretty much non-stop all day.
Hmmm... I see on the website there is also an upgrade kit for the Ender 5, adding an extra z-axis part (and thus maybe increased stabilizing that on-sided heat bed construction), and increased height. This can be interesting for those that have the original (non-plus) Ender 5 version. It would be fun if someone would test that one out.
I am also interested to see how the direct drive upgrade compares to the Micro Swiss Direct Drive Extruder upgrade set (this adds a full-metal head and a direct drive all at once for the Ender 3 and Ender 5 ).
Otherwise - Nice to see these upgrades are a cost-effective upgrade route from an Ender 3 to a CR-10 sized printer.
Im new to the 3D world and I find your videos very informative Thank You Micheal 🦘
That's incredible, I didn't even know those ender extender kits existed. Glad I saw this before pulling the trigger on a cr10. Now I can just upgrade my ender 3 v2
A very interesting overview. Thanks Michael.
Thanks for this video.
Its actually a thing I've been thinking about...
your videos are always helpful
Recently came across the Ender Extender kit and finally got it dialed in and working wonderfully. A glass bed is a must as the aluminum bed was warped beyond usable.
This is great information and step by step for upgrading my new V2. As soon as I got it I wanted to buy a bigger printer but this will save me and asslode of money thank you very much!!
GREAT VIDEO!!
With access to a printer at work it's got me more interested in getting a home printer.
Because of the cost of the prusa I've been looking at the under threes and trying to weigh the differences getting a better printer right off the bat or getting it under three and doing upgrades.
I really like what you said about the printer being good for hobbyists that are interested in tinkering. Pretty sure because of your video when I do get one from my own self I will be getting and probably going through the same process that you just did here. Thanks for the great video and help with my hand decision.
Thank you for sharing, this is very informative. There is always the CR10v2/v3 which comes out of the box with a much larger bed as well.
Huh? Did you miss the whole point of this video?
@@dangerous8333 no I was simply suggesting that a CR10 would a good middle ground value between Ender 3 and the Max. It’s build plate area is ~75% bigger than Ender and it comes out of box with many of the mods shown in this vid out of box for less $.
What a great video! I'm looking to get my first 3D printer and everywhere said the ender 3 and it's relatives were the way to go but my reason for getting a 3D printer is board games. This meant I wanted a bigger printer. Your video showed me I can still have a reliable printer but just modify it.
Also, love seeing a fellow Aussie nerd thriving!
Hey!! Board Game inserts & accessories is why I got into 3D printing too! I’m looking at this 400x400 bed so that way I can print an entire insert in one shot! It’ll be so much better than printing them in 4-10 pieces
Outstanding vid. I'm definitely thinking about doing this with rails
Damn that looks a great build. May look at upgrading my ender3 to extender kit.
lol I was just researching this yesterday. you are reading minds boy
I get accused of that a lot.
Thank you, Michael. As always great video.
Excellent video. Enlightening!
Love the Frankenprinter...lol Great build, Michael.
Thanks for this huge information, it really helps with the build and assembly.
I superduper your build, specially as you donating it! kuddo's for that. Will share the vid on a dutch forum :) where lot's of techies are.
I totally agree with end statement - biggest fun from owning a 3D printer is modding it.
Thanks. I will consider this.
i think this is one of the only videos using the PrinterMods MDD v1.3 . Thanks!
Great walkthrough on upgrading an ender 3 v2
Although i'm a bit late with my comment, i really liked this video. I have an Ender3 V2 for a couple of months now and have had some prints that could not fit the bed. this would be the solution to my problem. Never knew the extender for a bigger bed exist, i knew about the X axis extender but not this one. It will really be my next upgrade for my Ender3 V2. Great job with the video mate, keep it up.
Great and informative video!
Very informative, thank you.
Love the intro great video
Very good video! Thanks for the information.
Awesome job, thank you for your videos.
I'm getting "Ship of Theseus" vibes with the Ender Extender upgrade 😜
Hey this was great. I think that the build, once you add the bigger heat pad and the second z axis stepper it will perform just as well as the cr10 Max while still being cheaper. It may not be half the price by that point but it will be less than3/4 of its price
Thx for this. I have been eyeing this for a while now. I did not notice the Dual Z on their website for the 400XL. I already have the sprite hotend and direct drive, just wanting the larger build size.
great video this is what im gonna do thanks!
Nice after using my v2 I thought to myself... "why couldn't I just add more extruder to increase the size?" Good to know they make kits on this. After im done printing my senior project materials I'm all in.
If you can manage the mods and the soldering I think its an nice option taking a second chance cheap V2 and upgrading it.Nice vid.
Not too shabby. A cost-effective big print solution.
I say you did a good job. Enjoy it. Thank you😀
A friend recently did the ender extender mod on his Mk1 Ender 3. Generally very happy but did find it needed the second lead screw to resolve quality issues - the X carriage was wobbling in the Z axis too much when at the far right hand side. He also thinks the bed heater is a bit marginal. Makes sense so budget for the bigger AC pad & switch too I reckon.
cool mods, great video
I agree with your reasoning on why or why not doing this build. For around $600 bucks you got a great machine that’s huge! Awesome! After watching many of your videos I decided to rip apart my AO 101 Lulzbot and make it taller, change the board and hot end. Cost of machine and mods will be around $370. I’ll have a 200 x 200 x 400 z. It’s more about cuz I want to than anything and it is over ten years old so getting long in the tooth anyway.
Great video! Cheers! You've done a lot of direct drive conversions and mentioned pancake stepper motors, do you have any recomendations? Is there potentially a video coming soon? or is the weight of the 42-40 not an issue?
nice work on mcm!
Thank you! It seems many didn't like the sponsored video from them but I was happy to work with them and proud that everything worked legit; no movie magic needed.
@@TeachingTech Yes I agree the sponsership was a afterthought but, people like to complain about everything.
These builds cost alot of time and money how do they expect them to pay for all these builds the guys are doing? Out of pocket for us to watch for FREE? TH-cam money for 1M views isn't enough even for the tires!
Love the MCM t-shirt
I have both kind of printers, one that I just want to work right out of the box an a second for tinkering. I love to take something cheaper and get it to work almost as good as a more expensive part for less.
That's a good approach. I have a few near stock ones that I know are reliable if needed. Other ones I just have fun playing with.
I completely agree with your approach of buying a cheaper printer and upgrading it as your needs arise. I ended up following this path after getting my first printer as my fascination for engineering functional parts quickly grew and I started my journey from hobby printing to "professional". Started with an Ender 3 V2 pro, upgraded it with a Micro swiss Direct drive kit / hardened steal nozzle and a pop up enclosure and I began successfully printing my own car parts from ASA to CF nylon all for right at $400 printer expense all said and done. At the time there wasn't anything for that price to do what I wanted.
Also a benefit to this approach is maybe you realize you don't really enjoy 3d printing and if you want to quite the hobby you aren't to deep.
I would love this... but I'm still hesitating on doing even the smaller disassembly required to replace the hot-end assembly (attempt #2 - #1 seemed to go well until it I turned it back on), and add a BL touch.
Eventually, though.
I think is like building DIY computer nice job it motivate me
What you said about buying the ender 3 and upgrading gradually, is the whole reason I have a printer at all. Out of the blue, I just went "you know what, this printer actually looks really good for its price. I've wanted one for ages, but never wanted to spend 500$+ on it." So I bought a second hand ender 3 pro for around 140$, and I'm super happy with it. Especially after upgrading the board to an skr mini e3 v2 to get more features (and a MUCH quieter printer), and a pretty cheap steel + PEI sheet I bought on aliexpress. I'm much more willing to spend more time than money, and also doing it gradually. So this made perfect sense for me :)
I do also really want to upgrade my build volume in the future, probably a kit like this. Probably not a higher Z, as it'll most likely introduce wobble when it builds that high. However the shipping and tax would cost me a fortune I bet.. might have to make my own by buying extrusions and doing a bunch more work.. :p
I do however not want a glass bed, as I've got an inductive sensor. I also don't want to wait much longer for it to heat up / cool down, and I really like the simplicity of taking off the steel + PEI sheet to take the part off. But.. laying down a custom sized PEI sticker seems really tricky. And, I'd have to get a less warped metal plate I bet :p
I personally think glass is overrated, especially if you have some kind of ABL. I have textured powder-coated beds for all 3 of my printers (Prusa MK3s, Ender 3 Pro and a Custom 300x300 DBOT) and rarely ever use anything else, though I do have some steel sheets with PEI and a few other alternatives if needed.
@@brandonallen2372 I recently set my bed up with mesh levelling, as I could *not* level it just on the corners. The bed is pretty warped, and I don't have the induction sensor yet (probably another week or two). Hoping the one I'd use in the future with a bigger frame would be a bit more flat :p
This textured powder-coat, you print directly on it?
@@PureRushXevus I print directly on them as that is what they are designed for. FilamentOne makes the one I bought for my Ender 3 and they call it UltiStik, Prusa makes the one I use on the MK3S and I managed to find one on AliExpress for the DBOT. The texture gets imparted onto the bottom surface so it's probably not what you want if you the bottom of your prints to be perfectly flat, but I prefer the texture so I usually leave the textured sheets on the printer.
@@brandonallen2372 I see.. yeah, I really like the PEI finish on the bottom of prints
That was cool. Thought wish you would have used your cr6 style auto bed leveling on this!
I think it would be great if i could find someone that sells kits in australia.. BTW, thanks for the video, it is a great insight to 3D and the possibilities and potential printing has.. or showing that there is no limit to what one can do ... Cheers..
Brilliant - now I just need a huge room 😃
8:30 - If you're following the standards set by other MFGs that should be attached to one side of the glass to provide a textured side for printing (or the option to use the other side for clean glass. The way you installed it here blocks access to the screws if you haven't swapped to the solid raisers, which means swapping springs will be a pain.
Yeah, he installed it wrong. It doesn't go on the metal part of the heat bed. It goes on top of the glass. And you wouldnt want to flip it because of the slight bumps it has from air bubbles. You're just meant to print on the top and over time it will smooth them out.
This looks amazing! I’ve been loving my Ender 3 v2 but I really wanted it to be able to print larger objects sometimes, just a little bit, and this looks like it would really help with that. That’s the first mod I’ve seen that I’ve gone “I definitely want that.”
@@k.pliskin3214 Not yet. To be honest I started printing things in smaller bits and just assembling it together, so while I still really want this mod it’s not my top priority right now.
I just added 600mm 2040s to my z-axis (it's still quite rigid but I would not go any taller without some type of mechanical support), as well as a 600mm lead screw. The 2040s cost $30 for two pieces and the lead screw (and I added a pillow block to the top) was $40. As a rocket builder, most of my parts are tall so keeping the bed size and adding height made a huge difference. I updated the firmware to 235x235x400 for now. If I need additional height I can simply increase it another 100mm to 500mm. I did have to extend the wiring which I did on the bottom where it comes out of the control board. Adding the appropriate length was not difficult, just tedious. Seems like I had to strip, solder, and heat shrink 22 connections. I also took the time to wax lace the wiring bundle (old school). All in, the time to do the work was maybe 3 or 4 hours. I duplicated the mounting holes from the original z-axis rails and tapped everything required. Finally, I added a MicroSwiss hot end. I always print with at least PETG so something that could take the heat was the better method than the stock hot end. Custom building starting with an Ender 3 V2 is a great option!
The orange levered connection is pretty good. They are called "WAGO" connectors, usually used to gang several wires together not single wires going through. I have found them in Canada at a local supplier... I don't know how much I would trust the chinese ones for 240V connections like the originals but for 12/24V they might not be bad.
That dobstfy sheet is a build surface like buildtak. It's meant to be printed on directly.
The Dobstfy pad was provided as a build surface. I'm kinda thinking your installation insulates the glass from the bead. I've got to say, I love my Dobstfy build surface. I had nothing but problems getting prints to stick to the glass.
Nice shirt Michael 😁
I rather like your comment about buying a well-made tool vs buying a project; I picked up a CR-6 SE for the former and will likely pick up one of their $199 ender units for the latter, I'd love to have something to tinker around with and try different filaments that I'd be too nervous 'experimenting' with on the SE.
I really liked the music
Great video wheres the video on installing bltouch and setup to ender v2?
Michael, would it be worth it to put some thermal compound between the original heated bed and the new alloy plate? I would think it may help to make sure that there are no gaps.
Also, I have had good luck with adding insulation on my heated beds. Might that be a decent upgrade for something this large as well?
Thanks in advance!
Great video and gives me thoughts about making bigger prints. One question why do you not use a drill with very low torque settings to undo your bolts. Unless it gives you a chance to ponders the mysteries of the Universe.
Very interesting. I would apreciate tips about fan noise reduction.
Can you make a video about the solid spacers that you use on the ender 3/pro/v2 It will be interesting to see its benefits
This is an amazing project, is awesome, you can just pay what you paid for your original printer and end up with one that would cost a lot more and with great quality prints too, cool
Hey bro I’m building mine right now and they don’t come with the snapping wire connectors anymore so confused on what to do
Dude this really helped me decide on this or the prusa mini and i think this would be a better budget for me i just didnt know if the mini can print nylonx
Great Job, what did you use to replace your springs with? I have seen a lot of silicon spacers but no metal ones.
Bought a cheap ender 3 for less than $200, and put more than that in upgrades, not counting the parts printed on that very printer. Definitely worth it.
Love your videos,. For someone fairly new to this (3 months in on my ender 3 v2) and only printing PLA, could I ask you to do a complete how to on changing out the stock hotend with bontech extruder and mosquito or copperhead hotend and the MODIFICATIONS to make it work with the ENDER 3 V2. Ive talked to Splice and matterhackers since I wanted to order and install and they were very helpful but the one thing they really cant tell me is the way to make it work on my machine. There is only one bracket i've seen on Thingiverse, but its also made for BLTouch and i dont use that at the moment. THERE IS NO VIDEO ON THIS THAT I CAN FIND that goes step by step. So many people are interested but no one had covered indepth. Your tutorial on auto build marlin was perfect and I finally upgraded my firmware! Hope to see something in the future.
Is there any downside to increasing the printer size? Assuming I'm getting the dual Z axis motor upgrade, will there be any loss in print quality inherently due to the printer being larger?
I can imagine larger beds might not be able to print as fast due to their increased mass and maybe they might be more prone to warping simply due to their increased surface area? Does anyone have experience with this?
Cheers!