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The show feels often quite underwhelming and less dark in contrast to the books. Especially the final battle at the eye of the world is one example: it is much more thrilling in the book than in the show.
@@maxtized5422 In the book it was quite confused with the "miracle" done by Rand and Agelmar who did not know what happened. Book 1, in my opinion, had a messy ending, rushed and somehow forced. I feel that it is the worst ending in the first half of the books.
What I don't understand is why you take such a wonderful story, loved by so many people and then at every chance you get you gut it out of everything that matters. the defining parts and the motivations of the characters that originally made the books so great. I think the biggest problem is that series writers think people want small, easily digestible stories with lots of unnecessary drama every time they watch rather then a slowly building story that with every episode grows on us. I don't feel any emotion for anything in the series because there is no build up to love anything. I have never been more disappointed in an adaptation :(
it's interesting that the showrunner aged up the characters to try and avoid the young adult trope, only to make a show that can easily be described as YA show on the CW
This happens to The Witcher on Netflix (as Henry wants the series to be close as to the books, Netflix and show runners f**k it) especially on season 2. GOT (not season 7&8) was so great because it did make sense and the have the greatest character buildings
Brainwashing purposes. They keep on making stories about some heroes saving the humankind. Haven't you noticed. It makes people think this is gonna happen in real life as well. When we're in a deep shht then we tend to look up to the heroes, people who seem to defend us. So instead of doing something ourselves and helping ourselves and each other, we sit on our hands and wait for someone to help. Now I know not all of us are like this but most are. These shows and movies paralized us. Made us compliant. Brainwashing. Also predictive programming. I don't wanna be too conspiracy theory nut here. It's plain psychology really and a proven fact that TV has been used like that since from the beginning. When this technology was invented. They keep on ruining those beloved books cause they want lure people in to watch their favorite characters to come alive. In some cases they succeed with the people who loved the books (GoT etc), they need to change the details to fit their narrative. Many of us haven't even read the books but want to watch something exciting. New fans who don't know how much better the books are. But yeah. Overall I THINK these countless of hero series and monster movies are used psychologically to brainwash us. Program us. And hey, look how it's working 🤷
Great video! Thank you! I’ve devoted countless thousands of hours of my life to reading The Wheel of Time…I started back in the mid-1990s and re-read it every time a new book was released, all the way to the end. I am currently half-way through “A Memory of Light” after I decided to re-read the series when I heard about the show last September. I was so excited! I always dreamed of someday being able to see my favorite story on screen! I couldn’t wait!…. Let me just say this to non-readers: everyone and everything in the book in painstakingly described in minute detail. There is a glossary at the end of each book with pronunciations, definitions, and descriptions of all the main people, places, things, events that occur in that part of the story. There are “companion” books to the series that go into even greater detail and cover everything imaginable. You need to understand that there is absolutely no ambiguity in the story at all as far as how characters look, dress, and behave…the 15 books and the companion material provide a crystal clear blueprint for any screenwriter to use. I fail to understand why the show creators chose to abandon such a clearly defined story and do their own thing. How hard would it have been to have the actress playing Nynaeve tug her braid???? Nynaeve does this constantly and her character is known for it! Loial looks completely wrong…he’s supposed to have tufted ears on top of his head! And the WAYS!!!…The Waygate is supposed to be a stone door with a realistic carving of a tree/leaves on it; Aes Sedai don’t open it using the One Power, anyone can open it by removing the trefoil leaf of the Avendasora tree! And if they had let Machin Shin catch them, like in the show, they would have all died in the Ways! I could rant about how the show has failed on so many levels for hours! If you have read the books, as everyone should, then you understand the pain I feel having suffered through eight episodes of yelling “WHAT?!” at my tv screen every few minutes. How could they have fucked up the greatest fantasy story ever written this badly?!?! Shame on them for crushing my dream! Jerks.
I could not of said it any better and I feel your pain. Wot got me into reading way back in the day. I have watched 2 episodes and can't watch anymore...
Amazon should have hired the Game of Thrones directors (those 2 guys), they were excellent as long as there was a book to follow. Its these so-called "artistic vision" directors and writers that wreck popular classics trying to modernize, politicize and globalize it. Jordan and Sanderson gave us a 99% complete story, encyclopedia and Notes. It doesn't even need to be shortened because roughly half the written stuff is descriptive and thought streams, so WyTF did they go off the rails by episode 4?!? Was it to accommodate the demands of a certain "diva"? Well, Mrs. Jordan has a record of making poor decisions handing off her husband's work to lousy producers. Par for the course i guess.
I went into the show assuming it was going to be vastly different from the books. I wanted to give it a lasting chance, and I knew that to do that I would have to understand that it would be it's own work. It is nearly impossible to recreate Robert Jordan's world accurately in a live action setting. Some things surely would have been easier to get right. Honestly, I think Moiraine opening the Ways with the one power aggravated me the most. Wouldn't it have been easier to remove the leaf than use all that CGI to have Moiraine use the power? Anyone who wants a true-to-souce adaptation of The Wheel of Time is going to be incredibly disappointed in this series. I plan to keep watching it, but just as a (hopefully) fun fantasy TV series that sort of acts as an alternate universe version of the Dragon Reborn.
I just wanna say I'm mad about Mat's family. They made it seem like he had a horrible home life and that his dad was trash. Abel Cauthon is a good man. It even says so in the books.
@@ValWillKay Agreed to this. Book Mat would never abandon his friends; Book Mat would've been the first one in, muttering about bloody minded fools his friends were, and what a bloody minded fool he was for doing this.
Egwene healing Nyneave from death should have been on the list. Healing with using the one power is extremely difficult, and death cannot be healed in the books. Also, if Rafe is going to kill off surprising characters, I'd rather see the show canceled before he can ruin it even more
@@MrHATING101 But she looked very dead and most non book readers seems to think she resurrected Nynaeve, or that Nynaeve healed herself (both impossible things in wot). Most show watchers only don't bother reading bts interviews and things like this should be made clear in the episode. Also they are making healing way too easy in the show, which diminishes Nynaeve's talent and the Yellow Ajah.
@@MrHATING101 let's say she was burned out. If that's the case, Egwene could not heal that, either. Death and being stilled/gentled/burned out are two things in Wheel of Time that cannot be healed. Plus, being burned out is typically the same as being stilled/gentled which means you lose the ability to channel. Either way, Egwene should not have been able to heal Nyneave, especially since healing is not her strong point with using the power. Rafe is changing the core laws of the books and needs to stop
@@100Crackfist It was originally thought impossible, but much later in the series Nyneave accidentally heals Logain. It’s also established that if a woman heals a gentled man, he becomes even stronger, but if a man heals a gentled man he’ll be weaker and vice versa.
The show also changed the fundamental nature of Maichin shin making it a purely mental corruptive influence instead of a physically corrosive and voracious entity. They also omitted Mordeth and Padan Fain’s merge with him, and Fains apparent control of Maichin Shin. The choice to make it so the waygates can only be opened using the One Power, which completely negates their function as a gift to the Ogier from the male Aes Sedai.
The writrs and director obviously don't give two sh**s about the story, the characters or fans. They are using The Wheel of Time to create their own garabge woke show nothing like the origanl story.
I was so excited when I heard they were making this into a series. sadly watching the whole first season was a chore. I wish they would have followed the book more closely rather than a "fresh new take".
If they do one book per year like they have been, those 20 year old actors are going to be in their mid 30's by the end. Do you want them to be in their 50's??
Following the book doesnt mean recreating every scene. Dont be disingenuous. The CHARACTERS are not true to themselves at ALL. Neither is the world. GoT did a faithful adaption of the first books, and was perfectly able to fit enough into episodes. And it became #1 world because of it. Solely because they didnt """"re-imagine""""(code for Woke BS) it, and respected the source material. Think, Nynaeve: Killer of MEN and Trollocs; Unblocked wielder of the one power, little temper. Al' Lan Mandragoran, the most stoic, masculine character in the series, to whom death is an old friend, and who has lost countless people he loves in his lifelong battle: Scream crying about some warder no one gives a fuck about. Perrin Aybara: Killer of whi...wait no that was given to Egwene my bad. Matrim Cauthon, mischievious trickst...wait no hes just a broody, moody thief now. These are not even caricatures of themselves; Theyre merely characters with the same names lol. Writing is terrible, Editing is terrible, CG is terrible, Plot decisions are terrible. It is basically a YA soap drama wearing WoT as a cheap skin suit. It WILL eventually be cancelled, mark my words. It is a woke abomination and doesnt hold a candle to the originals depth, gender balance themes, etc.
@@thedusty194 no reason to be ashamed, if you like it you like it. Me I was just very disappointed. I think some of the reasons I was disappointed was the length of the season so few episodes meant things had to be cut. I wanted to see the actual doors to the ways not the channel door nonsense. I was looking forward to seeing the wheel at the eye of the world filled with the power. But I'm bot going to throw any hate at anyone who likes the show the books series started when I was a teen the show is made for teens I get I'm not the target audience. Maybe the show will get better I hope it does even if I dont watch it I'd like it to succeed.
@@thedusty194 You can like the show, just don't speak with authority on the matter if you haven't read the books. The show, oddly enough, seems not intended for book readers. So read the books first before passing judgment on critics and playing the victim in these comment sections.
I'd like to add some that WatchMojo didn't have: 1. Weaves are learned, the two women in the show are able to do so much with the power yet they have not learned the specific weave. The targeted healing of 4 plus people at once, the holding back of the black wind, he healing of a woman who burned herself. 2. Women can sense other women who are close to channeling and their potential power 3. The dark wind, when it touches you it rips the victim apart, inside out. Also it did speak but always sounded at the edge of understanding. I think only Padan Fain could understand it 4. The Ways, they don't need channeling to work. Also they haven't explained how the trollocs used them if channeling is needed 5. Lan, the strong man has been degraded to a man crying on his knees, a man who has nothing to live for b4 Moraine. Lan has a kingdom he has been fighting to reclaim before he met her, Lan once said " the only job a man has is to face anything that comes on his feet", paraphrasing. Plus Lan has barely been to the tower yet there he is crying over a dead warder when he never cried when people closer to him died 6. The relationship between Lan and Nynaeve. There was no reason Lan would show interest or view her in a good light. She tried to kill him when he was explaining and also threatened to let his Aes sedai die. This isn't how she is in the books, they forced them to be close but it was built on nothing really 7. Tom teaching the boys some of his trade so they could make a living and travel well, also his colorful coat is always on display not hidden inside
@@aunggatshah4243 I wouldn't say he can't act he just didn't get a chance to since he didn't do shit for the whole first season except think about egwene and what she wants.
1 isn't true. There are plenty of instances in the books where characters use weaves they didn't know previously out of instinct. Consider Aviendha and Rand's scene in the snow
@@Echidna23Gaming the weave between those two, correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but was a joint weave of both of them. Wasn't on purpose, they were weaving separately and their joining created something new or different. The foundation though was both weaves that were known unlike here where she pulls rabbits out of hats that fit the situation twice. Has there been a weave in the book that can block the black wind? I don't recall
The actor was one of the worst ones...he looked like a giant oaf with his 2 expressions and constantly open slack jaw. He would have been a good Hodor tho
Rafe wrote a hate you letter to Robert Jordan by changing the very plot, character, location, and message of the books. Rafe started with cutting out the Lews Therin, Ishmael, and Dragonmount which denied viewers the scope of the show. Turned Perrin, our beloved thinking strong man, into a brooding third wheel. Matt, our fun prankster, into a dour broken family thief. Rand our stoic champion, to a emo lovestruck teenage boy. Fire Rafe and the current WOT script writers.
After watching the show and reading the lore online, I wanted the adaptation to be way more loyal to the books. The story in the books is way more interesting and the fact that each character becomes way more unique than the show, makes it way more interesting.
But in Book 1 we had just a glimpse of how they are unique. If I remember well, Mat is often annoying and somehow despicable in the first two books. He starts becoming Mat at the end of Book 3. On the other hand, Perrin shines in Book 1 because of Elyas, while Rand has his great moments at the end of the book, but it was really confusing.
The first book had a weak ending but was fun otherwise. However, I can't see the logic in adapting a fantasy series that is considered by many to be one of the best ever written if you're gonna "put your own spin on it." It needed some serious editing similar to LotR and to a lesser extent GoT, not drastic changes in the themes and characters.
@@j.s.173 Mat is just “despicable” for a portion of the first book because of the dagger, obviously he is not the most polite character either, but not a “despicable” guy at all. He’s still a hero and definitely not traitorous coward as depicted in the show, that was insulting to his character.
@@matthewjudge3763 Yeah. This makes no sense. Putting your own spin on a King Arthur story makes sense. Putting your own spin on a beloved franchise that isnt on another medium is weird. It's too bad, because I enjoyed a lot of what they were doing with the cast and acting. The changes to the story made me throw shit.
Adaptations always risk upsetting the readers. But bringing the books to screen is never easy. Showrunner choices need to attract viewers without losing fans. The choices made here are much like in my the Witcher, GoT or LotR.
an easier list would be what they didn't change. 1 - character names, 2 - location names. that's it. as a long time fan of the series, I can see where the show can appeal to an audience unfamiliar with the books, but to me, it's just bad fan fiction. the fact that Rafe designed it in a way to irritate, if not just piss off, long time fans of books is a just an asshole move.
@@Alex-ms8mb I barely made it through episode 2 and quit. How do they cut elyas and caemlyn out altogether. So much happens there that sets the stage through multiple books through to the end. If they can't keep the simplest part of the story remotely intact how are they going to manage it after the Seanchan and aiel come into the story?
@@jacksoncothren5831 oh its very simple. They had to cut Elyas so they could dedicate an entire episode to a non canon character, and how was Rafe supposed to have an LGBTQ scene between Moiraine and Siuan if they went to Caemlyn. This show has massively downplayed the role of men in the WoT universe. Take the time Perrin and Egwene were traveling with the Tuatha'an. In the EotW, Raen gives all the explanations, as he is Mahdi of that particular caravan. Rafe apparently didn't like how the book downplay Ila's character, so he over compensated and basically remove Raen from the show. Then you have Rand defeating the Trollocs at Tarwin's Gap, Rafe didn't like that because then the women wouldn't have anything to do. The writers literally wrote themselves into a corner and were forced to make massive changes to the source material in order to fit with the new narrative that Rafe thinks is superior to Robert Jordan's. No die hard fan expected a 1 to 1 adaptation, it was never going to happen. What we got though, wasn't an adaptation, but a completely new story that borrows elements, essentially just character and location names, from a vastly developed fictional world. And it was done purposely, in some cases just to annoy hard-core book fans.
I don’t know why they do stuff like that. For example Game of thrones seasons 1-4 are nearly scene for scene and line for line the same as the books. When they started changing the material and doing their own thing people started hating the show. Why do they insist on changing what people love?
I personally feel that this Rafe Judkins used our beloved WoT as a canvas to express his own personal wishes and beliefs, disregarding the entire essence of the story itself! I completely understand changes from books to screen, heck GoT did it multiple times (Sansa, Lady Stoneheart, to name a few) and it maintained the fluidity of the story (minus season 8 of course). This strange creation of WoT that we all just sat through was literally a hot mess! It is saddening that viewers were not allowed to get to know our Emond’s Field gang the way we were able too and what the flip was this version Moiraine??? Lan??? The Moiraine I know is better represented with the character of Tissaia from The Witcher! This version Lan I just can't take seriously. On a side note, I did find the casting to be on point and the actors doing their best with the material given to them but as of right now unless A.) This Rafe fellow has a come to Jesus moment and fixes his mistakes OR B.) We get entire new version of WoT in the future, I will not be visiting this bizarre trope of a version of a beloved book series again. "Can't Wait to Kill Surprising People That Are Going to Really Pain Book Fans in Their Deepest Heart of Hearts". -Rafe Judkins yeah i'm out
Rafe delighting in hurting the book fans and torturing the lady responsible for checking the lore accuracy is close to psychotic and goes to show his lack of respect for the source material and the people who love it.
The thing that really frustrated me was the whole both men and women can be the Dragon Reborn. It makes no sense in context to the world and the way the magic system works. And it goes against the theme of the story. Another really annoying thing was the way they completely nerfed Rand. I really liked the actor and thought he portrayed Rand very well. But he wasn't given enough badass moments. In the beginning it made sense to keep him on the sidelines. They wanted to keep the mystery of who the dragon was. But once it was revealed, it sucks that Rand didn't get his moment to shine. He's supposed to be the most powerful Aes Sedai with more strength than anybody else. Nynaeve, who's just a powerful channeler gets two huge super saiyan moments. But Rand, our main character and the dragon reborn, doesn't? It was super frustrating.
@@janhavi1977 wholeheartedly agree. What frustrated me most though was not only did they call LTT the Dragon Reborn, rather than the Dragon (really did Rafe even read the books? I'm legit calling BS on that by now), is his motivation. Changing it from a desperate gambit with unforeseen consequences at the end of a losing apocalyptic war, to an irresponsible move with known risks, so his daughter would live in a safer world is absolute... I dont even have the words for it. 🤦♂️🤮
@@ingGS Tam got hit by a trollok blade in their house, Rhand drags Tam to the village to get him healed, and since the trollok blade was poisoned Tam has a high fever and he talks about the Aiel war. And about finding Rhand.
@@niehoe3048 But this was portrayed in the show, they showed this just as you describe it, so I do not know what OP meant, is it too different in the book or what?
@@niehoe3048 But it makes sense for the show to do it as a flashback since they were milking the storyline of “we don’t know who the dragon is”, if they showed that in a linear timeline they would have given it away.
Perrin's wife was probably one of the more insulting changes from the books by making him manslaughter her immediately so that they could just side-line him for the entire season because they didn't want to spend the time developing his character and didn't want to cast Elyas to help awaken Perrin's powers as a wolf-brother. Plus the obvious problematic implications of fridging a woman immediately to further a man's story when it wasn't in the books and didn't actually further his character. IF she had been a darkfriend about to kill him and his Ta'veren luck had killed her to save his life by chance, THEN it would be more acceptable, but as it is, it's just a flaccid "Durrr violence bad" message from a guy who clumsily murdered his wife. They turned the in book misconception of Perrin as a big dumb oaf rather than the slow to speak gentle giant he is, into what he LITERALLY is in the show.
The show is just a different story. Seems like it's more inspired by WoT rather than a true adaptation. I've tried to like it for what it is, but it just feels like someone misremembering the whole series. Also, there are many changes I dislike about the show, but Egwene (who has no talent for healing) heals a burnt out Nynaeve (Who has a talent for healing, and discovers the way to heal someone who is burnt out) was ridiculous. They took one of Nynaeve's defining moments and gave it to Egwene for no reason, which is also an insult to Egwene who does enough cool stuff in the books without the writers having to poach from other characters.
Nynaeve never heals someone who was burnt out. Being burnt out doesn't kill you like it does in the show but it does completely destroy a person's ability to channel ever again. It is unhealable. What Nynaeve did do was heal people who had been cut off from the One Power by Stilling or Gentling.
@@kharilane1340 , actually; being burned out CAN kill you. It depends on the level of burn out. Lewis Terrin burns himself out to death when making Dragon Mount. So does the queen of Marathon or however you spell it and there are plenty of others that do. Whats really important about that scene is yes, what Zach said but ALSO The fact that in the TV show, they were burned out WHILE LINKED and the link holder burned them out... which is utterly impossible in the books. Through a circle, only like 70-80% of each persons FULL power can be drawn, ergo, no burn out is possible.
@@OgdenM That's not being burnt out though. That's suicide by Power. If you draw to much you simply get burnt out like Setalle Anan did when she studied a ter'angreal she didn't understand. If you try to draw it all, like Lews Therin and Queen Eldrene ay Ellan ay Carlan, you will immolate not only yourself but the surrounding area depending on how powerful you are. Burning out is like blinding oneself by staring at the sun. Lews Therin and the Queen of Manetheran tried to become the sun. Enormous difference!!!
I watched about 35 minutes of the first show and couldn't watch any longer. Wheel of Time is my favorite fantasy book series and I expected a much better series. Lord of the Rings was epic in how it adapted the books.
Maybe you don't remember the hate because of Arwen, because they cut Tom Bombadil, because Denethor in the books played very differently his interior conflict..
@@j.s.173 The major difference between WoT and LoTR is that the LoTR changes made sense and were relatively minor, whereas in WoT almost everyone has been race changed and the lore has been changed so much. All in the name of "diversity" and other woke motives.
What!? Did you miss that whole fighting off the Forsaken thing? The Forsaken that laughed off Moraine's attacks? AND we didn't see him have a sword fight with "The Dark One," thank goodness.
@@ZlothZloth compared to blowing up a whole host of trollocs with fire tornadoes and earthquakes? Please. And it’s clear they aren’t going to do anything with the sword fighting in the series or Blademasters. He didn’t fight baalzamon with a sword btw
@@ZlothZloth no we didn't see any of that. Where was that in the show? All we saw was Not Moraine and not Rand walk down a pit they miss named and then Rand fell asleep while not Moraine got shielded, and then Not Rand decided to be a cuck for Egwene. Nothing you described happened in the show
I was honestly worried by the time it was leaked Perrin was going to get and kill a wife..the DR mystery also killed any kind of development Rand should have had. He is the main pov in the first book, while in the show he ended being just...there, with his whole personality being Egwene. And for as much as they aged (kinda) the characters to avoid the YA feeling, there was more teenage drama than in the book where they are actual teenagers. The show totally lacked the lighter tone of the first book, the awe and naivety of the kids when it came to the world outside their village. Rand going from a really nice, naive sheepherder to one of the most feared men in the world. Everything is so gritty from the start, and the lore, magic and power levels all over the place (how do they top Tarwin's Gap after what they did in ep 8?).
@IdleBigots That scene was absolute nonsense, and they didn't need Brandon to check the script (which he didn't) to know it. Even crazy overpowered Rand didn't kill all those trollocs at Tarwin's Gap. How are they going to show how more powerful Rand is? Bring double that number in Falme or Tear (no idea what they are going to do in season 2) and have him destroy them alone, without the sa'angreal? They seriously need to at least refilm that scene, cause it's going to hinder any future battle, like Dumai's Wells. And while they are at it, change the subtitles in the LTT scene. I tried to stay positive till ep 7 but 8 was just so bad.
@IdleBigots To be fair, in ep 4 the Aes Sedai are fighting men and aren't able to retaliate or fight back until they feel justified past the 3 Oaths. gree on the other points
For most of the show Rand was a side character in his own story, but I was okay with it at first because I figured they wanted to keep the mystery of who the dragon was for people completely new to the story. They were sidelining Rand so that when he is actually revealed to be the dragon it would be epic and surprising. But they never gave him that epic moment. I thought the actor played Rand very well, but the script didn't give him enough chances to show his badassery.
@@Echidna23Gaming when their camp was attacked, and the other sisters were being attacked they were more than able to defend themselves, and others. So I don't understand how your trying to use the three oaths when the 2nd oath is clear that they can use the one power to defend themselves and others.
@@gendy4369 the ancient symbol being the Ying yang. Men going crazy. People not being able to see other people channel (although Moraine should've said her speech to rand explaining why she can't teach him to channel and not just I don't want to teach you....yeah fuck it you're right. I'm just trying so hard not to be a hater cause my non book reader friends like it well enough and it's only on its second season. My biggest qualm is that this show got The Last Jedi treatment and it shows for it. There is no strong male lead, because the studio can't tell the diff between strength and toxic masculinity and missed the whole point of the books. Duality and balance. Here's to hoping though. I'm gonna watch every episode of this thing even if it's bad
I bought the first book when it came out, I would schedule my vacation around the new release of a WOT book. ALL who were involved in this rape of a beloved treasure should be stilled. The dark one take you all. Blood and bloody ashes, mother's milk in a cup. The only way I could suffer through was telling myself this was an alternate pattern in the weave.
preach brother, after this i canceled my prime subscription especially after hearing how they are doing a lord of the rings prequal show. seems like amazon just has a hard on for bludeoning to death everything i loved from my childhood.
Best and perfect comment I just finished a binged on every audiobook, and blood and ashes is right. I wanna see Matt go play blindfolded blades with their heads.
I'll try: 1. The show has Rand 2. The show has Perrin 3. The show has Mat 4. The show has Egwene 5. The show has Nynaeve 6. The show has Moiraine 7. The show has Lan 8. The show has Tam 9. The show has Ba'alzamon 10. The show has Trollocs
@Max Headroom and powers, races, roles, organizations, and places too. Honestly I am so sick of fans of the source material whining about the movie or tv show bot being mostly like the source material. What’s wrong with a different version that better suits the movie or tv show format jeez!
Fire Rafe. 1000+ changes that have destroyed the actual plot, lore, characters, and locations of the books. Rafe seems to hate the male characters. Rand, Matt, Perrin, Logain, Loial, Lan, Lews Therin, Gareth Bryne, Basel Gill, Bayle, Tom, Agelmar, Gawyn, Elias, and Galad were either changed or removed for this tv ghoulish subversion. Yet they added in Stephan and other none book characters.
*Thom EDIT: Autocorrect is not our friend when writing about this series lol. I can't tell you how many times they have screwed up every name from Rand or Nynaeve, to Perrin or Egwene.
It is not the changes that anger me but the horrible writing and editing. This series is confusing to those who have not read the books, much less watched all the supplemental material. The world building is horrible, the main characters are poorly developed, and the dialog is boring. Moiraine is supposed to be quiet and mysterious yet she is used for countless the exposition dumps. Meanwhile the Two Rivers gang just whine and moan. How can they talk so much and say so little? They could have started with Moiraine in the White Tower, showed the final preparation of 8 getting ready to leave the tower. Used this as opportunity to bring those who have not read the books up to speed on lore needed to understand the first season. Intersperse this with some scenes from the Two Rivers to introduce the characters there. Hold off on the Troloc attack til the second episode. Then speed up the other episodes by removing meaningless scenes and make the dialog shorter, punchier, if it's not important to the plot drop it. We don't fear the bad guys because we have witnessed way to much plot armor in the first season. Moiraine or some other channeler is able to overpower the opposition. Hell 5 chanellers can one shot the largest army of trolocs ever seen. Why do they even need the dragon? Why can't all the aes sedai just join powers and defeat the dark forces once and for all?
No one could have been happier than me when they announced the show. No one could have been sadder after watching the first episode. It literally made me sick to my stomach. Robert Jordan was a genius. The story of the WOT is HUGE. Why anyone would feel they need to add to the story is beside me. I completely understand that they would have to leave things out. There's no possible way you could make a television series cover the entire book series. That being said, they should've stayed true to the storyline. If you've never read the books or listened to the audiobooks I imagine you might do in the series. If you've read or listened, don't watch.
I watched the show and thought it was so confusing. And though I usually don't let shows rest on the books shoulders, I decided to read the first book to see if it clarified things. The book was great! I loved the adventure and in almost halfway through the second and have the rest of the books ordered. Yet ... The show is STILL confusing. Like you have to be a pretty big Wheel of Time fan to even understand some of the stuff they do in the show and even then, it's boring or has some sort of agenda.
For me the premis that hooked me into the WOT way back when it was first released was the idea that the Dragon reborn was male, but any male that touch the source would go mad, and break the world again. To defeat the Dark One however, required the combined power of the male and female touching the Source. This made the perfect doomed hero story arch... the fact they removed that from the series by saying male or female could be the Dragon Reborn completely erased that premis... and when in the 1st episode Moraine said any 4 of them, including Egwene could be the Dragon reborn killed the series for me... can not get past the 2nd episode.... and WOT novel is one of my favourite Fantasy Series :(
When I first heard that the Wheel of Time was coming to Amazon Prime, I was pretty excited. I invested a lot of time with the books and was looking forward to seeing what they did in the series. I was imagining WoT to be, if not completely like the book, at least true to the story like the movie "The Lord of the Rings," and respect the author's view of Middle Earth and its characters. LoTR kept true to the story and only made changes to accommodate the transition from novel to cinematography. I would never imagine saying this, but Amazon Prime should cut its losses and cancel the train wreck of a story that was crammed into eight bad episodes.
That’s why I’m glad for the Stormlight Archives they are considering doing it in an anime style, really allowing the animators to capture the scope of the story
Isn't Rafe, the showrunner, on record saying he is savoring the anger of the book fans from his unnecessary and empty changes? I mean, after seeing absolutely no build up in power scaling and plot points... it is very clear this was his first draft. Has a lot of Paul Feige/ Ghostbusters 2016 energy. AKA: blame fans and critics when you KNOW the script and final product is weak.
He is on record saying he’ll make people’s favorite characters gay in his words, “cause I can.” He said it’s in response to death threats, which no one condones, but it definitely shows how petty the man is.
Mat's back story and attitude. They totally screwed the pooch there. Mat is my favorite character. He plays a huge role and his family background and the way he reluctantly but reliably saves the day makes the story. So sad they made so many stupid changes. I won't rewatch any of these episodes and am not excited at all for season 2...may not even watch it.
Not defending their take on Mat (it's weak, but on par with the rest of the show aka trash), but Mat as a character, for me, didn't really take off until the second book. So I'm hoping for a Mat reboot in season 2...
Right, I am on my 17th reread of the series, currently in Fires of Heaven. I seriously doubt I will even finish this series. Ok, you fucked up season 1... now rafe needs to unfuck himself or watch the show get dropped mid season because EVER book fan stopped watching.
@@williambragg7538 no, I only watched the first trailer. The rest I know about from TH-cam reviews. The reason I said most people didn't last 8 hours is that Amazon called it their most-watched premiere of the year. But they didn't say it was the most-watched series, which means people stopped watching and didn't even bother to finish the other episodes.
@@customsongmaker the WoT saw me through two wars, two marriages and countless deployments. I humped a book 26 miles with my gear so I could read it. This series was atrocious
Not even loosely…this rafe judkins has made it a point to change it as much as he can…what we’ve got is a completely different story now with just the same character names
One really annoying change was Moiraine saying it was Lews Therin Telemon's arrogance that caused the breaking of the world. It completely undermines Lews Therin's bravery and does the character a disservice. Also, Rand and Mat have been nerfed. They could fight too, not just Perrin. But you barely see either of them fight the trollocs. Rand was a talented archer, and Mat was very good with the staff. Because his dad had trained him. Because his dad wasn't a cheating alcoholic. Robert Jordan was a big fan of LoTR. The first few pages of TEoTW was an homage to lotr. Emond's field is supposed to be the Shire, a peaceful, happy place secluded from the rest of the world. And Rand and his friends were perfectly happy, naive teenagers. There was no reason to give any of them tortured backstories.
@@janhavi1977 pretty much every male character was nerfed and made dumber and more annoying than in the books on purpose to further this strong smart women thing that’s been going lately…they making all these changes hoping to attract a bigger audience but no one will give a shit about this show after 2 more seasons and it’ll go down as another fucked up adaptation because of dumbass writers
I totally LOVED that part of the Finale where...Rand snapped out of the vision(which was originally EGWENE'S Accepted Test vision in the Tower) because he did a monologue about EGWENE'S agency, desires, etc and Nnynaeve. While EGWENE and NYNAEVE have the awesome battle moment(supposed to be Rand) where they blow away an army with a blast of power. Then Rand takes a moment to talk about EGWENE AND NYNAEVE and how great they are, before *blip* THE END! FIN! The DRAGON REBORN, who has been denied screentime and development the whole first season FINALLY got his moment which was about EGWENE AND NYNAEVE WHILE EGWENE AND NYNAEVE SAVE THE DAY. Whew. Yeah, it like, totally gave me chills to see everything Rand didnt do while talking about the girls, while the girls save the city.
Yeah, and the thing is - the girls DO get plenty of chances to be totally badass in the series. It's not like the books have them as simpering, helpless maidens who need to be rescued. It also really bothered me that Egwene was able to heal Nyneave when a)Nyneave is the one who is way more skilled/powerful in that realm, and b)THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS. I mean...the Power ;) Aside from the whole theme of not being able to heal death being REALLY important later on, even if Nyneave was near death...channeling is supposed to be a really precise skill that needs actual practice and technique, not just will power or raw strength. (Ironically, that is kind of how the Force works as it's always been a bit more handwavey and intuitive...)
@@lisamarieligreci-newton7804 Also, healing is something of a Talent, and Egwene doesn't have it. Her talents are Dreaming and her strength with earth weaves. The show makes the women far LESS badass by making them do everything better than anyone else. That's not what makes a badass. In the book, Rand accidentally travels and destroys the trolloc army in a desperate rage (some might say, desperate NEED)... because he is channeling a pool of pure Saidin that was the Eye of the World. It's also the first evidence of his eventual descent into madness, accessing abilities he can not possibly know that (perhaps) belong to the original Dragon, Kinslayer himself. They screwed up Ta'veren as well. "why aren't the girls Ta'veren as well! Sexism!" I ALMOST see it, but the thing is that being Ta'veren is to be robbed of your agency. To be used by the pattern. The boys leave Emond's Field because they need to & because Moiraine manipulates them. Egwene leaves because she CHOOSES to. She WANTS to be Aes Sedai. She WANTS adventure. Nynaeve leaves because she needs to protect the "kids" she helped raise and feels responsible for. They have agency. In the books. How Rafe is going to be consistent with the books later on, when Ta'veren "power" becomes a narrative tool I do NOT know. Abandoning more of the source material, likely. Even the focus on Aes Sedai in Season 1 as some kind of gambit (likely to appeal to "grrl power" narratives) is EXTREMELY bad as a choice. The ONE thing that Aes Sedai rely on throughout is their air of mystery. We lose that and gain a dumb "who is the dragon" mystery that lacks ANY of the foreshadowing Jordan gave. We see a little of the white tower politics, but it's more of a distraction from the narrative than anything. Viewers should STILL be wondering at the end of Season 1 whether Aes Sedai are good guys, or whether they're the manipulative witches that many believe them to be, and there should be a lot of evidence for both (Elaida!)
That scene was such trash. Girl power is great but as Lisamarie said, the girls have plenty of OTHER times to be badass and powerful. On top of that, circles can't burn people out. Eqwene has almost now healing ability in the books etc etc etc
Without reading the books I found the series quite interesting and entertaining for myself, but after reading many critics from the fans, looking up the lore, watching this video I really can't wrap my head around why they didn't stick to the original story, plots. I saw an interview where Rafe said he's a big fan and he feels honored to make the books alive on the screen... this is honestly ridiculous. Such hypocrisy. I'm not surprised so many people want blood after this, they have every right to be disappointed and angry.
Ignore the book purist and enjoy the show based on your own opinion. Rare told everyone up front that he was mainly keeping the heart of the books. The books aren’t a script. I’ve gone through all 15 books and I enjoy the show for what it is.
Forget the books, and evaluate why it is you like the show: The plot is a mess. It follows this who is the dragon reborn mystery, which forces it to not develop the main characters at all. And then you reveal it in the most uninspired way possible. it's a nothing, there is no tension or excitement at all. Moiraine is stupid. They give her the motivation of finding the dragon reborn, but why? How? They talk about the prophesies, but then they crap all over them by talking about how they are unreliable, and contradictory. So she's just following Suian's dream? Oh but wait, they also said dreams are dangerous and unreliable too! They introduce the phrase "Ta'Veren" in episode 1 and proceed to never tell you what it is. No real world building with regards to the dragon, or why men go crazy or are dangerous. Nothing is explained. This is actually a problem with many aspects of the show, they want you to have book knowledge to fill in all the gaps they aren't dealing with, but then they simultaneously crap on you for having read the books. Who is even the Antagonist in this series? Is it the Dark One? The Trollocs? Liandrin? The show does nothing to establish what the ultimate stakes are. I could go on and on. Seriously though, none of that had anything to do with the books. It's bad TV, not just a bad adaptation.
@@LeahB31 I don't know where the dumb idea of a "book purist" came from. No one wanted a word for word rendition, but a faithful adaptation that was true to the books. That isn't what we got by any stretch of the imagination. Nothing of the show is faithful to the heart of the books. CGI is bad, writing and acting is abosmol, they clearly didn't read the books because everything from clothing, to weapons to leafs are described in great detail and they got everything completely wrong.
Let's just say, Robert Jordan's view on the world do not reflect the woke vision of Rafe's insane reality. Do not get me wrong, there is nothing with updating things to be inclusive... it is something entirely else to tear apart someone work this way. I do not get the need to grossly interject our ideals, politics and world views into someone else's work. Make your own work and do that.
Maybe I missed it, but in the show do they ever say that Rand & co are actually from "Emond's Field"? I think they only ever refer to the place where they come from as "The Two Rivers", ignoring the fact that "The Two Rivers" is a region encompassing several villages (Emond's Field, Taren Ferry, etc).
how ppl can decide they dislike a TV series yet continue watching it for another 2-3 yrs and counting…and still think about it…talk about it…comment about it online…make videos about it …. I remember starting to dislike Spartacus and was gone immediately. No complaining. Just left. Big deal, whatever, moved on. But that’s because I’m not some entitled brat who feels that TV shows exist to appease ME. Or feel like … “how dare some showrunner create media that I, one person and a stranger, don’t approve of!!!” Toddlers have fits demanding to be entertained. Adults, if they’re bored, find ways to entertain THEMSELVES. I guess I thought everybody was like that. But the sewage clogging the internet from ppl who are angry about HOTD, ROP, Wheel of Time, etc makes it clear that’s NOT the case. Also, most, ppl who have read something would rather not sit there like they have vegetable mush for a brain, watching the same crap they already “saw” happen in a huge book series, knowing everything that will happen etc. And they don’t cling to some books like a security blanket that they’re terrified to venture from, like a child terrified to leave their mother. Normal adults have no problem seeing a show as a show and judging it as a show rather than as a comparison to the books/ their childhood security blanket lol. They don’t decide a show sucks because it isn’t exactly identucal to some writing on a piece of paper.
how ppl can decide they dislike a TV series yet continue watching it for another 2-3 yrs and counting…and still think about it…talk about it…comment about it online…make videos about it …. I remember starting to dislike Spartacus and was gone immediately. No complaining. Just left. Big deal, whatever, moved on. But that’s because I’m not some entitled brat who feels that TV shows exist to appease ME. Or feel like … how dare some showrunner create media that I, one person and a stranger, don’t approve of. Toddlers have fits demanding to be entertained. Adults, if they’re bored, find ways to entertain THEMSELVES. I guess I thought everybody was like that. But the sewage clogging the internet from ppl who are angry about HOTD, ROP, Wheel of Time, etc makes it clear that’s NOT the case. Generally, ppl who have read something would rather not sit there like they have vegetable mush for a brain, watching the same crap they already “saw” happen in a huge book series, knowing everything that will happen etc. And they don’t cling to some books like a security blanket that they’re terrified to venture from, like a child terrified to leave their mother. Normal adults have no problem seeing a show as a show and judging it as a show rather than as a comparison to the books/ their childhood security blanket lol. They don’t decide a show sucks because it isn’t exactly identucal to some writing on a piece of paper.
I got to approach this in a unique fashion. My wife read most of the books and I'd never even heard of it. I didn't like the show, at all. She felt the same. After much reluctance and months of prodding by the wife I picked up the 1st book. Today I'm partway through the final book. If things had been left to the ways they where I'd have never experienced this amazing story, the show almost ruined that for me. I guess the wheel truly does weave as it wills.
I was entertained by this show until Rand never showed up to blast the entire Trolloc Horde at Tarwins gap like he does in the books. Literally the entire first book is a build up to that moment and there was absolutely zero pay off for Rand being revealed as the chosen one.
Same! I was watching the first season with a friend and kept going, "Ok, it's like a world reached through a portal stone. It's not the same but, it's good enough." Then THAT mess of a season finale ep happened and a blew a gasket right there on the couch. It seriously was the WORSE, and not only for getting rid of the part with Rand wiping out the trolloc horde.
@@OgdenM yep… it’s another turning of the wheel. I get it. But Rand being revealed as the chosen one needs to have some pay off. And don’t get me started on the reviving of those women at the end. You’ve completely removed all stakes. People can come back to life now. Deus ex machina.
Your ability to settle for less than what should be expected is why we are where we are. You have learned to have low expectations, yet you are still being let down. Stop giving these people your money for feeding you shit.
Fans or anyone else really, 'cause honestly, the TV Show in general is sh**. They spend way to much money making crappy props that just look like crap. Ergo, building whole towns and cites. Then there's the trees in the blight.. those were SO BAD.
Muzze BN said it best: What I don't understand is why you take such a wonderful story, loved by so many people and then at every chance you get you gut it out of everything that matters. the defining parts and the motivations of the characters that originally made the books so great. I think the biggest problem is that series writers think people want small, easily digestible stories with lots of unnecessary drama every time they watch rather then a slowly building story that with every episode grows on us. I don't feel any emotion for anything in the series because there is no build up to love anything. I have never been more disappointed in an adaptation :(
Awesome video. I was debating watching this show, but you have saved me from being very annoyed at people who can't adapt material and instead give us crappy fan fiction.
How can you only have Saidin and Saidar as a mention? Should be number one on the list. Biological gender is a HUGE part of the Wheel of Time series. The story is mainly a coming of age story, boys becoming men. The One Power is divided into Saidar and Saidin(which is tainted). Saidin can only be channeled by men, this plays a huge role in the story, since it is why men that channel go insane and no, they dont make the one power dirty for women as they say in episode one. It goes even as far as when a character in the story gets put into a womans body HE still channels Saidin, because he still has a MALE soul. Nothing can change this, you cannot say I know identify as a woman and then channel Saidar. They have also destroyed almost all male characters in the show. Made them weak and removed all the cool things they did and given the women those moments. Agelmar for example, in the book he is very respectful to Moiraine and the Aes Sedai order. He begs her for help when they will face the Trollocks knowing they will not survive the encounter without her help, but they will still go since that is what men do, they protect their women and children and will buy time for them to evacuate the city. Moiraine says she cannot help him since they are on their mission to find the Eye of the World, Agelmar then offers to send a thousand men to aid her, knowing that it will make him and his warriors face their end even sooner, but he is willing to make that sacrifice to aid her in her mission. Show version has him as an arrogant asshole full of himself and looking down at Aes Sedai and refusing to ask for aid. Then the show destroys Mat's father, making him the towns drunk making out with whenches infront of everyone.. (And no, there are no whenches in Emonds field in the books, it is a very small farming community.) None of this would be allowed in Emond's field.
You say that as if these guys know what they're talking about. They just opened the first Reddit post on differences they saw and just looked at the top 10 results
the show is an abomination and should be cancelled and shown for being the travesty it is, the books were and still are some of my favourites of all time....the chance they squandered is horrendous
I mean the show will probably explain that you're just being a little loser and Logain was literally shown to conquer an entire city that's pretty powerful male channelers have not been made weak that's a big lie😭😭and we haven't even explored the one power the show is shit but you are trying to weave a lie.
@@tymac9127 yeah before Logain gets overpowered by Nynaeve lol 95% of the male cast gets completely neutered main characters and side characters it’s a complete joke
I couldn't get past the child abuse and incest in the very first episode of GoT myself, so even with the changes from the books this still WAY better than GoT to me.
@@thedusty194 That's ok, I think he just meant that the GoT adaptation was far closer to the first book of Asoiaf than the Wheel of Time show to its books.
They needed a better way for viewers to follow the story. This is one suggestion. So often I would love to catch a glimpse of what goes on as bad movies or series are created. Isn't anyone asking questions? Does anyone have the balls to point out flaws or are is this a room full of yes men? Where is the drive for a well written script?
What would be my preferred scene from the books? That would be the one where Rand uses Saidin (the male half of the One Power) to teleport to Fal Dara and lay waste to the trollocs at Tarwin's Gap (while simultaneously battling Ba'alzamon); as opposed to the show giving that achievement to untrained Aes Sedai because WOMEN POWER!
It's so great to see a channel as big as WatchMojo making a video on this. The show has butchered the source material and it can't even stand separate from the books because it's an overall bad show, not just an awful adaptation.
Very kind presentation here. It would have been far easier (and more accurate) to say that the producers shit the bed on this "adaptation." While all of your differences are certainly present, several of them (taken together) destroyed the core of the story. I found the best part of this travesty to be the intro sequence. That team did a fantastic job on it, and, by the end of the season, it was really the only portion worth watching.
I have never read or heard of the books before watching the show. So I enjoyed the show although I did feel it was a bit rushed... But now hearing how much they changed from the books. It literally sounds like they changed everything and now I'm disappointed. Because the books sounds so much better. I'm going to have to read the books and forget the show lol.
@@timcotton1782 Yes, I definitely will. I honestly hate when tv/film change the story so much that it's not even the same story. That is just disrespectful.
@@mariah.thecreativethinker the show is basically as bad as the Percy Jackson adaptation for me. just with a bunch of stuff added in that really has no place there.
@@jfulmer3179 They got the O in Tar Valon wrong, but they even got a funny Bayle Domon voice and reference right... They clearly did more research compared to some of their other videos
Two things, 1) - The cold open for Episode 1 should've been the book Prologue. Without it there are literally no _real_ stakes for any of our protagonists to come up against, least of all Rand. 2) - I can't fathom why they took away Rand's moment at the Eye of the World. Even leaving out the two Forsaken they should've at least given Rand his ultimate moment by showing up on the battle scene and decimating the Trolloc/Fade hoard. This would've given the viewers, namely the non-book reading viewers, an _epic_ hook, line, and sinker moment of, "Holy Sh!t, now this guy must be the Dragon!" for entering into season 2. Instead they made him completely weak. He needed a Sa'Angreal to multiply his power a hundredfold to shine a piddly light that wasn't even remotely comparable to the power Nynaeve showed in episode 4. At least not visually, which might be important to depict given this is a visual medium! When in the book he channeled enough power to destroy the armies and take out at least one Forsaken, who's strength was only slightly less than Lew Therin's back in the day, _without_ a Sa'Angreal, because he _is that strong in the Power!_
Yup, 100%. Any agency for a male character, even the primary protaganist, Rand, was removed by the woke homosexual show runners. They needed to show the prologue to properly set the background for the dragon reborn and you neeed to maintain Rand's agency as he comes into his power. Major epic fail for the communist show runners.
I totally agree. They showed Logain being immensely powerful, even though he is mad but, they don't show Rand being that powerful. Also, I agree, they should have shown Lews Therin breaking the world so people could understand why everyone is so afraid of males using the one power. Once I heard Rafe say he was looking forward to killing surprising people that would hurt fan's hearts, I stopped watching. I have no interest in watching anything by people who delight in the pain of true fans.
@@nospamforsomegirl Not even that. Logan is shocked how powerful Nyneave is. But firstly, how can he even see Nyneaves power, and secondly he should be way more powerful than Nyneave since he is only slightly less powerful than the dragon himself…
@@Benjamin-zu6gh because I’m the show egwene and nyneave have been shows to be stronger than rand… the strongest channeller in the world who stood above both men and women as the strongest… is over shadowed by every woman in the show
Good list, a few more questions: 1) In S01E08 Fadan Fain kills the guards with the dagger from Shadar Logoth and he also stabs Loial (only a miracle can save him). How did Padan Fain get the dagger? In the books Mat joins his friends to Fal Dara and there he is robbed by Padan Fain (TGH, chapter 6). That makes more sense to me. 2) Lews Therin is called the Dragon Reborn in het prologue of S01E08. Is this a mistake? In the books Lew Therin Is the (original) DRAGON and Rand is the Dragon Reborn.
Loial was Robert Jordan placing himself into the books. Rafe in his hatred for the actual author, casually stabs him with a dagger that in books only a person bound the the dagger can be cut by it and live. Fire Rafe!
Well technically in a lore sense lews therin is a dragon reborn since the wheel of time never stops turning, but in the time of rand lews therin kinslayer is the Dragon, as far as they know he is the only dragon and someday he will be reborn, hence making rand the Dragon reborn
@@sumukhavenkatesha6171 Nope, even in historical texts from his own era Lews Therin is simply referred to as "The Dragon". The whole thing about the Wheel turning in cycles is correct, but that doesn't mean that the supposed 'hero' before Lews Therin would also have been called "The Dragon"
Yeah!! Rafe completly dropped the ball on this one and made a total mess of it all. I doubt this series will ever go the full length, so great job on fu**ing up something near perfect 👍🏻
I was SOOOO excited for this show. I've read / listened to all 14 books at least 20 times. To say I was disappointed is an understatement.... The show BARELY follows the books, it's going to deverge so far away from the actual story by the end of the series (If its not canceled) it'll look nothing like the WoT we all know and love. Such a huge disappointment.
The best of each book Book 1: meeting a myrdral on the quarry road Book 2: the horn of valere being blown Book 3: when matt beat the gambler with rigged dice Book 4: the history of the aiel/the battle of emonds field (its my favorite book of the series) Book 5: moraine's sacrifice Book 6: battle of dumai wells Book 7: the trial at the begining where rand tries to be lenient to a traitor Book 8: the use of the bowl of the winds Book 9: the cleansing of siadine Book 10: perrin giving up the ax Book 11: matt's guerrilla war against the seanchan Book 12: rand finding his humanity Book 13: matt and thom saving moraine from the finn Book 14: the final battle This series is a pale comparison to the book, i didnt hate this until the creator made it sound like he's intentionally trolling the book fans.
I'm currently on book 6 of The Wheel of Time and have been wondering if I should watch the tv show. But thanks to this video I now know I DEFINITELY don't want to watch a massacre of the brilliant books. So thank you for me not wasting my time and getting ticked off about them butchering the books.
I'm glad I haven't seen the series, it sounds as if the directors have corrupted the original vision of Jordan and instead want to make a mockery of it...so sad
The extent of the changes in the first season and the plans for future ones are what will kill this series. Show runners today have learned nothing from Peter Jackson. Respect the source material and don't piss off the established fan base.
I find it funny how Japan makes several adaptations a year stick to the source material and make their fans happy 9 times out of 10. And yet no one from the west sees Peter Johnston's failure and their success? I don't even know.
Because of the shows Dragon reborn reveal in the very first episode, we will not be seeing that moment when Mat and perin realize that rand was trying to drive them away because he could chanel
Surprised to see such an understanding of the books from watchmojo. Well done video. The clear hatred of Rafe for WoT and derision for RJ and his values is outlined very clearly without being called out directly.
I watched the show without knowing the book series and thought it was ok. There were a few actors I liked and the special effects were pretty good. However, it definitely felt empty and the plot could’ve followed the books a bit more.
I would have liked to see Lan training the boys. Also a scene with Rand and Mat as "apprentice gleemen" if for no reason than to establish mats fast hands.
I just don’t understand why the end was so different. The book ending was so epic; Rand making a sword by the power. Why why WHY did Moraine allow Rand to go off IN THE BLIGHT by himself. Oh, when you go in the blight you could get lost… Rand- I’ll take my chances. Moraine- k have fun. Moraine would never have let him go alone. The whole thing makes no sense even if you didn’t read the books I’m sure it doesn’t make sense to allow the dragon who you were looking for all your life to just run into the blight by himself. Getting tired of the woke overtones too. The two rivers folk all have similar ancestry, why is there multiculturalism in the two rivers? The tension of the eis sedai in the books with men is the taint in the male half, but at the same time they knew the dragon would be a male creating its own tension and drama in the book- why change that?
Mat's entire character, that is what I would restore. He wasn't a pickpocket stealing form the Emond's Fielders (which, btw, is the name of the town, which is in the region known as the Two Rivers). He didn't have a gambling addiction (he didn't really start gambling until he got his luck). He was corrupted by the dagger, but it was just that, there was no darkness in him that was feeding the dagger. He wasn't left behind when they went to the Eye, Moiraine didn't turn him over to the Reds. He is a main character to the series and one of the good guys. Hopefully season two with give him the course correction he deserves.
And this is why I won't watch the show. this is coming from someone who has read the entire book series. I get adapting it and all but it does make you wonder how much they had to pay to obtain the rights alongside what the author would have thought about this.
@@christopherconkright1317 You would have to be blind or completely retarded not to see it. They even changed the race of most of the characters to tick their check boxes.
@@MAGAMAN sounds like a bunch of fascist white nationalist neo Nazi bullshit. Some of the most talented writers and artists in history "check those boxes".
Actually the one thing that disappointed me (and I know that it's small and minor), was the fact that in the series, they have Rand coming into his power later instead of when it happened at the Bridge. In the first book, Rand came into his power right as they were getting to the bridge running away from the Trolics, yet in the series, he comes into his power much later. That's the one thing that disappointed me about this. The other thing that disappoint me was the way the Aes Sedai were dressed. In the first book (which mind you the cover reflects what was described, they wore their color by a shawl, which is basically like that of a light scarf. However in the series, it's the entire outfit that is now showing their color instead. Since I went originally by the paper back book, I'm picturing them all wearing white (or off white) dresses or outfits, with a different colored shall hanging around their necks and off their shoulders. However that's not the case in the series here. Also the ring was never described (last I remember) as having any colored jewel in it, only a snake encircling itself biting it's own tail in a never ending loop. They added to those rings in what seems to make them so pronounced in the show.
Actually quite liked them not showing Rand channeling to the last episode. It kept me and my dad trying to guess who was the dragon as we hadn't read the books. We both love the show.
@@thedusty194 They don't directly say it in the book either to be fair, but you can guess it by how it was written. Like Moiraine telling Nynaeve what are the effects of first time channeling in a chapter, and then in another you see Rand either behaving very weirdly or falling sick, and you connect a previous event to it. They should have at least left some of it in the show cause they went too extra about hiding Rand. In the book there is also no mystery cause Moiraine simply never tells them (in an open place with people around at that) that one of them could be the DR. The village would have thrown her out immediately, no matter how much she helped lol Happy you and your dad enjoyed the show though😊
@@saxgoddess25 That was my thought too. I mean I'm thinking, wait, is the whole outfit the shawl now, wait, that can't be right? And then I'm seeing others with whole outfits that are a different color as well, along with the ring that's WAY too big to be correct, and those two things just started bugging me, and still do.
As a fan of the books, I just could not get behind the show. I watched all of the episodes and kept a positive attitude that the next episode "will get there" but it was a miss for me. Especially some of the relationships and events that happened in the last 4 episodes. There was just so much left out, and that I was looking to be able to experience, that I was left disappointed. I was so excited about the TV show since it was announced and now feel like us fans of the books were duped. I realize that it is an adaptation, but you don't leave out key elements that are relevant in the middle and end of the series! I didn't see the need to age the characters or change the plot as much as they did. Robert Jordan did such an amazing job writing the books that there should have been more than enough content to flesh out a fantastic season one, or first movie. Where is Bayle Domon, Elyas Machera and Elayne?! All three of these characters are no where and they should be there. Where is the Green Man and the Dragon Banner, the Horn of Valere where it should be and the Forsaken?! It is important that you know how many Forsaken there actually are, and that 2 of them are now dead. One by the Green Man and the other by Rand. Where is Rand defeating the Trolloc Army, not the 5 Aes Sedai that almost ended up killing Nynaeve, who isn't even able to channel unless she is angry! And all of the sleeping together with this person and that, and having Perrin (done him real dirty in this aspect too) married and then trying to follow The Way of The Leaf, please! Elyas is supposed to be there to make him aware of what is happening. He isn't left to blindly experience and not know what is happening to him. Not to mention that he never saw Egwene in the way the show inflected. And Mat... omg have they ever done this character a dirty turn! He is not this disloyal friend. All through the first 5 books he is with Rand and is always telling himself that "he stays because Rand needs him" and then they go and make him a scoundrel! The boy is almost as good a horse trader as his respected Da in the Two Rivers and known for being a good man through the surrounding villages. None of this womanizing father and drunken mother nonsense. Mat is supposed to take chances, be impulsive and rogish, but that is part of his charm! What about Eladia? She certainly is important in the following books and is supposed to be revealed that she has a weak Foretelling Talent. Vastly understating Min's Talent and then Moraine losing her powers.... That isn't even all of it. I honestly feel like the fans of the book series are outside trying to look in through the rain, but the windows are still too foggy. I don't know if I am excited for season 2, regardless of who is cast for what character. I was so looking forward to each character's story arch the way that Robert Jordan wrote it, but apparently that isn't mean to be. There is supposed to be trials, hardships, friendships made but by characters that are still so unsure of themselves that they don't even know what they will be doing in a day's time!
Honestly, I cannot believe Jordan would have agreed to any of what they have done in the series. Its painful to watch a mans life work be ripped apart by a simpleton like Rafe.
@@meepmeep545 yep i agree, Rafe has made sissified the wot characters, and bastardised the good malehood, and then championed toxic feminist. so Rafe is not a man.
Just like the witcher, I treat it as a completely different thing, using the books merely as vague inspiration. As long as I do that I can sort of enjoy the show.
I've never read the books, but I love the medieval/magic fantasy movies. But I just finished the 8th hour of this series and have absolutely no emotion tied to any of the characters, except maybe the Ogeer*? No reason to care about any other the individual characters or the motivations behind them, especially when so many decisions they make make absolutely no sense. There's no direction in the show except "WE HAVE TO STOP THE BAD GUYS"
you said that Rand fights Baalzamon at the eye of the world in the show, but this is not technically true. he is actually fighting ishamael, who believes himself to be the Dark One, after going mad - baalzamon is another name for the dark one, but also used by the trollocs for ishamael since they didnt know that he wasnt the Dark One. you can tell because ishamael looks exactly the same later in the show. it is also the case in the books, though ishamael is not at the eye of the world.
I had reserved expectations for this series. Wasn't expecting much from a Mr. Rafe Judkins. Unfortunately he's not a loyalist/purist to the books. The show has departed the books. Yes, the overarching plot (as of right now) will most likely stay in tact, but I honestly expect that to change even though Rafe said he wouldn't do that. If I continue to watch it, I have to turn off my brain and watch it as the show it is, with its own story, and not the show it should be.
If you want to enjoy the show, you're going to need to "turn off your brain" for additional reasons. Bad writing. Poor decisions. Rampant misandry. Mary Sues. Self-contradictions. IMO, you will also have to develop a taste for shit-sandwiches, along with turning off your brain.
They killed off way too many characters- Robert Jordan did not kill off main characters- the freaking horse from two rivers made it to the end of the books! And Amazon kills Loial?!? He is in every book!
@@macksutherland8059 Writers: Should we have steaks in a fantasy adventure series? Nah, that's been done before, let's just put in a bunch of melodrama and call it good.
I haven't read the books and I totally understand the outrage of people who have read them. But from a perspective of someone like me, the series was really great - beautiful imagery, interesting characters, interesting concepts. It might not be a good book adaptation, but in itself it's a good fantasy story.
That's interesting to hear. Was wondering if non-book-readers are confused. 🤔 I'm watching it now and trying to separate my own knowledge - but it's nearly impossible to make my brain not attach weight and context, so very hard to judge how a newcomers to the series would experience it.
@@st2rseeker I get it. I'd probably be the same. But I'm someone if I'm a little overwhelmed (or impatient) I'm gonna read up on some things like terms etc. o those fandom sites. I think without it it could be a lot to remember - but I feel it's like that no matter the series and no matter if it's a good boodkadaption or not. Fantasy stories with a lot of world building can be a lot to watch and read. I'm on my second run watching it and now it's super easy to understand everything. But yes, having no clue, a lot of words and concepts are just confusing - but it's because I didn't know them yet. But I don't know how somebody would experience it without doing any reasearch. But I've always been like that with all fantasy stories, so it doesn't bother me at all.
@@leylastuber7397 it's fantastic that you enjoyed the TV series. 😀 Do read the books if you can. They're a treat and will immerse you in a captivating world and story.
@@RussiasSufferingInUkraine I started to read them a couple years back, but didn't get far - not because I didn't like it, but I think it was just bad timing - you know, when you start something and life happens and you get distracted ;) But I think I still will - fully knowing, that it's going to be a very different experience and much more fleshed out. :)
You guys actually got a couple things I missed in there. And I kept a journal as I watched each episode so that I'd remember ALL of the changes that were made. Good stuff on your part.
I haven’t watched the show but being a huge book lover, only on the ninth, I really hate it already. Egwene is meant to be a love interest where Rand cares for her but all of their marriage arrangements were just set up by their parents. Egwene even finds Perrin more attractive in the beginning, along with all her other sisters. I also really hate ho
Never heard of this series before watching the show. Not sure if loyal or not to books but the bland look of rand and his acting style were terrible and instantly told me he was the dragon meaning there was no mystery. The end fight in episode one had me interested and I had hoped either mat or rands love interest (can't spell her name) would be the main characters as they were better acted and looked like real characters from that type of world rather than the boring trope of a clean shaven brooding mess that was the rand character. Each episode after the first was a chore to watch from random things happening to weird things which only make sense due to bad writting. I was told by my friend who loved the books to watch it but I've yet to get his opinion on the series. I rate it a 5 out of 10.. a very average show with no compelling writting or reason to continue. So I probably won't watch season 2 unless I hear it gets better. I know nobody will prob read this far or care but hey felt I'd give a review from the outside.
I appreciate your thoughts as a non-book reader. This show is a disgusting mockery of the original source material. I agree with you and if this wasnt my absolute favourite book series, I probably wouldnt watch season 2 either. There was so much wrong in this season that I can not even begin to explain. Like your friend, I have been recommending the show to anyone who listened before it aired. Now I honestly feel ashamed for doing so.
I think the actor who plays Rand HAS the talent... but was deliberately held back by both the writing and directing in order to preserve the "mystery" of who is the Dragon Reborn. That alleged "mystery" was total BS, and did SO much harm to the overall story. They WASTED a LOT of time on that narrative that could have been used in SO many better ways to advance the audience's investment in the story and characters.
Been close to a decade since I last read anything of TWoT at this point and even I was like "they changed a lot here...". I was honestly ok with most of it until the last episode when they introduced Lews and completely changed the motivation for going to The Dark Ones prison to make it appear as he was acting on his own selfish interests rather than working with others to try and do something to benefit all. Not to mention they called him The Dragon Reborn for some strange reason and I was like, nah, I'm out.
As the only person in the room who had read the books before watching the show I explained to my family that this was not an adaptation of the books it is an adaptation of the cliff notes of the books. Most have now started reading/listening to the books.
I think you failed to mention THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE, the books were masterfully written (for the most part) and were a pleasure to read. The TV "show" could be used to replace water boarding.
The worst part of this whole fiasco is that had we gotten a more accurate adaption, the production cost of earlier episodes would have been almost certainly less expensive to make, allowing them to save their budget for the later shows when things pick up. The whole Emonds Field "battle" on Winternight was not depicted in the book, just the aftermath - and the majority of the village, including the Winespring Inn, was untouched (no need to destroy the set, or even build it in the first place, for that matter!) Emonds Field is only in the first couple of chapters and then isn't seen again until book 4. A waste of resources and a change that didn't really do anything for the story except to showcase how they planned on handling trollocs and magic... There were other areas where the budget was blown for unnecessary spectacle that could have been used elsewhere too (that entirely unnecessary opening scene with the "red ajah" chasing and killing some poor schmuck who never even tried to fight back) ... but that was the one that really jumped out as a waste. A second point was all the end-game stuff going on requiring more special effects than the books had ...they had nearly as much of a budget for this show as the budget the Fellowship of the Ring! You'd think that they'd have budgeted a little better (maybe paid their writers a bit more??)
I laugh whenever this point is brought up because it blows the whole "we couldn't be loyal to the books because of budget restraints" argument out of the water. they had the resources they had the time they just couldn't manage either.
This series seems adamant in portraying the male characters in the most awful light: 1) Rand barely got any screen time despite being the one with the largest POV booktime of the first book. 2) The male channelers of the past, LTT specifically, were made out to be reckless fools who didn't listen to the women, and got their half of the One Power corrupted despite the warnings about it. In the books they literally had no choice, and the women backed off in the last moment, and noone expected the male half of the source to be corrupted like it was. Also they called LTT the Dragon Reborn, when... His title was the Dragon, he was an infamous figure whose name was known by all, and the prophecies spoke about him being reborn, and that's why Rand is dubbed the Dragon Reborn once he fulfills them. 3) The Ways were one of the instances of humanising the male channelers who went mad and destroyed the world after the corruption of their half of the One Power. They created the ways as a gift for the Ogier who were suffering from illness if they stayed too long away from their lands - their Steddings, so the male channelers made the Ways so the Ogier could move fast and safely between Steddings, despite the destruction going on in the world outside. They did this favour for them because of the gracious hospitality the Ogier showed them by letting them stay in their Steddings to try and escape the madness from the One Power. If the Ogier hadn't done this for them, a lot more male channelers would've gone mad at the same time, and the world and it's landscape would be devastated even worse. They were NOT reserved for Channelers, they were made for the Ogier, so they required no channeling to enter them, and in the books Loial was vital to their traveling through the Ways, characters used the Ways several times and sometimes without a single channeler in the group.
@@quinndawsonosgood5261 he didn't?? The power got tainted because 1) the women weren't there with their half of the source. And 2) the Dark one managed to touch the seals. Or so Rand theorises.
@@angelic252 I was referring to the Bore drilled into the dark ones prison in search of the one source. But that wasn't Lews Therin either 😄. So much for my memory. I guess it has been over a decade since I read the books. My apology and great summation by you. Cheers
WOW. That went by me. WatchMojo put together an error free top 10 list. I thought they intentionally made mistakes, stupid comments and mispronounced names to drive people into the comment section to drive the algorithm.
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The show feels often quite underwhelming and less dark in contrast to the books. Especially the final battle at the eye of the world is one example: it is much more thrilling in the book than in the show.
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I don't know what I'd add - but I would fully remove the healing power of sadness from Egwene - that was weak as f*ck writing....
@@maxtized5422 In the book it was quite confused with the "miracle" done by Rand and Agelmar who did not know what happened. Book 1, in my opinion, had a messy ending, rushed and somehow forced. I feel that it is the worst ending in the first half of the books.
The last battle of the show wasn't impressive was hoping for a big reveal and clash w0th the 2 forsaken.
What I don't understand is why you take such a wonderful story, loved by so many people and then at every chance you get you gut it out of everything that matters. the defining parts and the motivations of the characters that originally made the books so great. I think the biggest problem is that series writers think people want small, easily digestible stories with lots of unnecessary drama every time they watch rather then a slowly building story that with every episode grows on us. I don't feel any emotion for anything in the series because there is no build up to love anything. I have never been more disappointed in an adaptation :(
it's interesting that the showrunner aged up the characters to try and avoid the young adult trope, only to make a show that can easily be described as YA show on the CW
This happens to The Witcher on Netflix (as Henry wants the series to be close as to the books, Netflix and show runners f**k it) especially on season 2. GOT (not season 7&8) was so great because it did make sense and the have the greatest character buildings
Brainwashing purposes.
They keep on making stories about some heroes saving the humankind. Haven't you noticed.
It makes people think this is gonna happen in real life as well. When we're in a deep shht then we tend to look up to the heroes, people who seem to defend us. So instead of doing something ourselves and helping ourselves and each other, we sit on our hands and wait for someone to help.
Now I know not all of us are like this but most are. These shows and movies paralized us. Made us compliant. Brainwashing.
Also predictive programming.
I don't wanna be too conspiracy theory nut here. It's plain psychology really and a proven fact that TV has been used like that since from the beginning. When this technology was invented.
They keep on ruining those beloved books cause they want lure people in to watch their favorite characters to come alive. In some cases they succeed with the people who loved the books (GoT etc), they need to change the details to fit their narrative.
Many of us haven't even read the books but want to watch something exciting. New fans who don't know how much better the books are.
But yeah. Overall I THINK these countless of hero series and monster movies are used psychologically to brainwash us. Program us.
And hey, look how it's working 🤷
@@meeriann yeah well i loved this show
@@christinemaure4216 did you read the books? If not then don't you'll be happier
Great video! Thank you!
I’ve devoted countless thousands of hours of my life to reading The Wheel of Time…I started back in the mid-1990s and re-read it every time a new book was released, all the way to the end. I am currently half-way through “A Memory of Light” after I decided to re-read the series when I heard about the show last September. I was so excited! I always dreamed of someday being able to see my favorite story on screen! I couldn’t wait!….
Let me just say this to non-readers: everyone and everything in the book in painstakingly described in minute detail. There is a glossary at the end of each book with pronunciations, definitions, and descriptions of all the main people, places, things, events that occur in that part of the story. There are “companion” books to the series that go into even greater detail and cover everything imaginable. You need to understand that there is absolutely no ambiguity in the story at all as far as how characters look, dress, and behave…the 15 books and the companion material provide a crystal clear blueprint for any screenwriter to use.
I fail to understand why the show creators chose to abandon such a clearly defined story and do their own thing. How hard would it have been to have the actress playing Nynaeve tug her braid???? Nynaeve does this constantly and her character is known for it! Loial looks completely wrong…he’s supposed to have tufted ears on top of his head! And the WAYS!!!…The Waygate is supposed to be a stone door with a realistic carving of a tree/leaves on it; Aes Sedai don’t open it using the One Power, anyone can open it by removing the trefoil leaf of the Avendasora tree! And if they had let Machin Shin catch them, like in the show, they would have all died in the Ways!
I could rant about how the show has failed on so many levels for hours! If you have read the books, as everyone should, then you understand the pain I feel having suffered through eight episodes of yelling “WHAT?!” at my tv screen every few minutes. How could they have fucked up the greatest fantasy story ever written this badly?!?! Shame on them for crushing my dream! Jerks.
I could not of said it any better and I feel your pain. Wot got me into reading way back in the day. I have watched 2 episodes and can't watch anymore...
Amazon should have hired the Game of Thrones directors (those 2 guys), they were excellent as long as there was a book to follow. Its these so-called "artistic vision" directors and writers that wreck popular classics trying to modernize, politicize and globalize it. Jordan and Sanderson gave us a 99% complete story, encyclopedia and Notes. It doesn't even need to be shortened because roughly half the written stuff is descriptive and thought streams, so WyTF did they go off the rails by episode 4?!? Was it to accommodate the demands of a certain "diva"? Well, Mrs. Jordan has a record of making poor decisions handing off her husband's work to lousy producers. Par for the course i guess.
I went into the show assuming it was going to be vastly different from the books. I wanted to give it a lasting chance, and I knew that to do that I would have to understand that it would be it's own work. It is nearly impossible to recreate Robert Jordan's world accurately in a live action setting. Some things surely would have been easier to get right. Honestly, I think Moiraine opening the Ways with the one power aggravated me the most. Wouldn't it have been easier to remove the leaf than use all that CGI to have Moiraine use the power?
Anyone who wants a true-to-souce adaptation of The Wheel of Time is going to be incredibly disappointed in this series. I plan to keep watching it, but just as a (hopefully) fun fantasy TV series that sort of acts as an alternate universe version of the Dragon Reborn.
@@PassinGass ew no, i will never watch anything D&D ever does again after they royally effed up Game of Thrones.
I agree 100%. I honestly, didn't finish watching. It was too upsetting; and I wish I had the time back.
I just wanna say I'm mad about Mat's family. They made it seem like he had a horrible home life and that his dad was trash. Abel Cauthon is a good man. It even says so in the books.
Agreed
Hell Abel helps with the battle for Amons’ field!
They screwed over Mat's character in every way... look what they did to my poor boy
I don't think the books were consulted for anything other than character names and place names.
@@ValWillKay Agreed to this. Book Mat would never abandon his friends; Book Mat would've been the first one in, muttering about bloody minded fools his friends were, and what a bloody minded fool he was for doing this.
Egwene healing Nyneave from death should have been on the list. Healing with using the one power is extremely difficult, and death cannot be healed in the books. Also, if Rafe is going to kill off surprising characters, I'd rather see the show canceled before he can ruin it even more
She wasn’t dead , just burned out which isn’t physically lethal .
@@MrHATING101 But she looked very dead and most non book readers seems to think she resurrected Nynaeve, or that Nynaeve healed herself (both impossible things in wot). Most show watchers only don't bother reading bts interviews and things like this should be made clear in the episode.
Also they are making healing way too easy in the show, which diminishes Nynaeve's talent and the Yellow Ajah.
@@MrHATING101 let's say she was burned out. If that's the case, Egwene could not heal that, either. Death and being stilled/gentled/burned out are two things in Wheel of Time that cannot be healed. Plus, being burned out is typically the same as being stilled/gentled which means you lose the ability to channel. Either way, Egwene should not have been able to heal Nyneave, especially since healing is not her strong point with using the power. Rafe is changing the core laws of the books and needs to stop
@@nicko7119 Doesn't Rand reverse being stilled in the books? I thought he un-stilled Logain?
@@100Crackfist It was originally thought impossible, but much later in the series Nyneave accidentally heals Logain. It’s also established that if a woman heals a gentled man, he becomes even stronger, but if a man heals a gentled man he’ll be weaker and vice versa.
The show also changed the fundamental nature of Maichin shin making it a purely mental corruptive influence instead of a physically corrosive and voracious entity. They also omitted Mordeth and Padan Fain’s merge with him, and Fains apparent control of Maichin Shin. The choice to make it so the waygates can only be opened using the One Power, which completely negates their function as a gift to the Ogier from the male Aes Sedai.
The writrs and director obviously don't give two sh**s about the story, the characters or fans. They are using The Wheel of Time to create their own garabge woke show nothing like the origanl story.
You think they gonna keep rands women or they gonna make it egwenes men 😂
@@JB-og8we yeah, they fucked it
They omitted the book part tbh
The show changed the fundamental nature of Machin Shin to a purely mental influence of harsh truth. Guess that's today's idea of corruption.
I was so excited when I heard they were making this into a series. sadly watching the whole first season was a chore. I wish they would have followed the book more closely rather than a "fresh new take".
If they do one book per year like they have been, those 20 year old actors are going to be in their mid 30's by the end. Do you want them to be in their 50's??
Following the book doesnt mean recreating every scene. Dont be disingenuous. The CHARACTERS are not true to themselves at ALL. Neither is the world. GoT did a faithful adaption of the first books, and was perfectly able to fit enough into episodes. And it became #1 world because of it. Solely because they didnt """"re-imagine""""(code for Woke BS) it, and respected the source material. Think, Nynaeve: Killer of MEN and Trollocs; Unblocked wielder of the one power, little temper. Al' Lan Mandragoran, the most stoic, masculine character in the series, to whom death is an old friend, and who has lost countless people he loves in his lifelong battle: Scream crying about some warder no one gives a fuck about. Perrin Aybara: Killer of whi...wait no that was given to Egwene my bad. Matrim Cauthon, mischievious trickst...wait no hes just a broody, moody thief now. These are not even caricatures of themselves; Theyre merely characters with the same names lol. Writing is terrible, Editing is terrible, CG is terrible, Plot decisions are terrible. It is basically a YA soap drama wearing WoT as a cheap skin suit. It WILL eventually be cancelled, mark my words. It is a woke abomination and doesnt hold a candle to the originals depth, gender balance themes, etc.
I actually like the series. It's now my favourite TV show. I'm just going to go sink away in a corner and be ashamed of myself.
@@thedusty194 no reason to be ashamed, if you like it you like it. Me I was just very disappointed. I think some of the reasons I was disappointed was the length of the season so few episodes meant things had to be cut. I wanted to see the actual doors to the ways not the channel door nonsense. I was looking forward to seeing the wheel at the eye of the world filled with the power. But I'm bot going to throw any hate at anyone who likes the show the books series started when I was a teen the show is made for teens I get I'm not the target audience. Maybe the show will get better I hope it does even if I dont watch it I'd like it to succeed.
@@thedusty194 You can like the show, just don't speak with authority on the matter if you haven't read the books. The show, oddly enough, seems not intended for book readers. So read the books first before passing judgment on critics and playing the victim in these comment sections.
Top Ten Biggest Changes
The Soul
The Spirit
The Characters
The Lore
The World
The Magic
The Plot
The Morals
The Quality
The Consistency
So basically everything that made the book series. not just what made it good, they changed everything.
@@atharvadeshpande4749 Some things are superficially similar like Character names but the characters themselves are completely different.
Quickly this series will become Forsaken
Amen amen
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//Quickly this series will become Forsaken
Maybe it's a..... False Dragon?
I'd like to add some that WatchMojo didn't have:
1. Weaves are learned, the two women in the show are able to do so much with the power yet they have not learned the specific weave. The targeted healing of 4 plus people at once, the holding back of the black wind, he healing of a woman who burned herself.
2. Women can sense other women who are close to channeling and their potential power
3. The dark wind, when it touches you it rips the victim apart, inside out. Also it did speak but always sounded at the edge of understanding. I think only Padan Fain could understand it
4. The Ways, they don't need channeling to work. Also they haven't explained how the trollocs used them if channeling is needed
5. Lan, the strong man has been degraded to a man crying on his knees, a man who has nothing to live for b4 Moraine. Lan has a kingdom he has been fighting to reclaim before he met her, Lan once said " the only job a man has is to face anything that comes on his feet", paraphrasing. Plus Lan has barely been to the tower yet there he is crying over a dead warder when he never cried when people closer to him died
6. The relationship between Lan and Nynaeve. There was no reason Lan would show interest or view her in a good light. She tried to kill him when he was explaining and also threatened to let his Aes sedai die. This isn't how she is in the books, they forced them to be close but it was built on nothing really
7. Tom teaching the boys some of his trade so they could make a living and travel well, also his colorful coat is always on display not hidden inside
In short, the adaptation is trash. The actor who plays Rand can't even act. They should scrap it.
@@aunggatshah4243 I wouldn't say he can't act he just didn't get a chance to since he didn't do shit for the whole first season except think about egwene and what she wants.
@@marshalsunrise6582 "think about egwene" lmao. What work at character development right...?
1 isn't true. There are plenty of instances in the books where characters use weaves they didn't know previously out of instinct. Consider Aviendha and Rand's scene in the snow
@@Echidna23Gaming the weave between those two, correct me if I'm remembering wrong, but was a joint weave of both of them. Wasn't on purpose, they were weaving separately and their joining created something new or different. The foundation though was both weaves that were known unlike here where she pulls rabbits out of hats that fit the situation twice. Has there been a weave in the book that can block the black wind? I don't recall
I would like to have Perrin character development back. Because they totally thrash it in this season.
The actor was one of the worst ones...he looked like a giant oaf with his 2 expressions and constantly open slack jaw. He would have been a good Hodor tho
It’s too late now . They destroyed his character and I thought I would like the actor but I can’t understand half of what he saying
@@emhu2594 agreed
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The actor looked like a wizard erased his mind.
Rafe wrote a hate you letter to Robert Jordan by changing the very plot, character, location, and message of the books.
Rafe started with cutting out the Lews Therin, Ishmael, and Dragonmount which denied viewers the scope of the show. Turned Perrin, our beloved thinking strong man, into a brooding third wheel. Matt, our fun prankster, into a dour broken family thief. Rand our stoic champion, to a emo lovestruck teenage boy. Fire Rafe and the current WOT script writers.
After watching the show and reading the lore online, I wanted the adaptation to be way more loyal to the books. The story in the books is way more interesting and the fact that each character becomes way more unique than the show, makes it way more interesting.
But in Book 1 we had just a glimpse of how they are unique. If I remember well, Mat is often annoying and somehow despicable in the first two books. He starts becoming Mat at the end of Book 3.
On the other hand, Perrin shines in Book 1 because of Elyas, while Rand has his great moments at the end of the book, but it was really confusing.
The first book had a weak ending but was fun otherwise. However, I can't see the logic in adapting a fantasy series that is considered by many to be one of the best ever written if you're gonna "put your own spin on it." It needed some serious editing similar to LotR and to a lesser extent GoT, not drastic changes in the themes and characters.
@@j.s.173 Mat is just “despicable” for a portion of the first book because of the dagger, obviously he is not the most polite character either, but not a “despicable” guy at all. He’s still a hero and definitely not traitorous coward as depicted in the show, that was insulting to his character.
@@matthewjudge3763 Yeah. This makes no sense. Putting your own spin on a King Arthur story makes sense. Putting your own spin on a beloved franchise that isnt on another medium is weird. It's too bad, because I enjoyed a lot of what they were doing with the cast and acting. The changes to the story made me throw shit.
Adaptations always risk upsetting the readers. But bringing the books to screen is never easy. Showrunner choices need to attract viewers without losing fans. The choices made here are much like in my the Witcher, GoT or LotR.
an easier list would be what they didn't change. 1 - character names, 2 - location names. that's it.
as a long time fan of the series, I can see where the show can appeal to an audience unfamiliar with the books, but to me, it's just bad fan fiction. the fact that Rafe designed it in a way to irritate, if not just piss off, long time fans of books is a just an asshole move.
no one i talked who hadnt read the book liked it either. this is a bad fan fiction and we need to remember that if we choose to watch season 2
@@Alex-ms8mb I barely made it through episode 2 and quit. How do they cut elyas and caemlyn out altogether. So much happens there that sets the stage through multiple books through to the end. If they can't keep the simplest part of the story remotely intact how are they going to manage it after the Seanchan and aiel come into the story?
@@jacksoncothren5831 oh its very simple. They had to cut Elyas so they could dedicate an entire episode to a non canon character, and how was Rafe supposed to have an LGBTQ scene between Moiraine and Siuan if they went to Caemlyn.
This show has massively downplayed the role of men in the WoT universe. Take the time Perrin and Egwene were traveling with the Tuatha'an. In the EotW, Raen gives all the explanations, as he is Mahdi of that particular caravan. Rafe apparently didn't like how the book downplay Ila's character, so he over compensated and basically remove Raen from the show. Then you have Rand defeating the Trollocs at Tarwin's Gap, Rafe didn't like that because then the women wouldn't have anything to do. The writers literally wrote themselves into a corner and were forced to make massive changes to the source material in order to fit with the new narrative that Rafe thinks is superior to Robert Jordan's.
No die hard fan expected a 1 to 1 adaptation, it was never going to happen. What we got though, wasn't an adaptation, but a completely new story that borrows elements, essentially just character and location names, from a vastly developed fictional world. And it was done purposely, in some cases just to annoy hard-core book fans.
I made it through half the trailer I like your list better
I don’t know why they do stuff like that. For example Game of thrones seasons 1-4 are nearly scene for scene and line for line the same as the books. When they started changing the material and doing their own thing people started hating the show. Why do they insist on changing what people love?
I personally feel that this Rafe Judkins used our beloved WoT as a canvas to express his own personal wishes and beliefs, disregarding the entire essence of the story itself! I completely understand changes from books to screen, heck GoT did it multiple times (Sansa, Lady Stoneheart, to name a few) and it maintained the fluidity of the story (minus season 8 of course). This strange creation of WoT that we all just sat through was literally a hot mess! It is saddening that viewers were not allowed to get to know our Emond’s Field gang the way we were able too and what the flip was this version Moiraine??? Lan??? The Moiraine I know is better represented with the character of Tissaia from The Witcher! This version Lan I just can't take seriously. On a side note, I did find the casting to be on point and the actors doing their best with the material given to them but as of right now unless A.) This Rafe fellow has a come to Jesus moment and fixes his mistakes OR B.) We get entire new version of WoT in the future, I will not be visiting this bizarre trope of a version of a beloved book series again. "Can't Wait to Kill Surprising People That Are Going to Really Pain Book Fans in Their Deepest Heart of Hearts". -Rafe Judkins yeah i'm out
Rafe delighting in hurting the book fans and torturing the lady responsible for checking the lore accuracy is close to psychotic and goes to show his lack of respect for the source material and the people who love it.
yeah he made The Woke of Time
The thing that really frustrated me was the whole both men and women can be the Dragon Reborn. It makes no sense in context to the world and the way the magic system works. And it goes against the theme of the story. Another really annoying thing was the way they completely nerfed Rand. I really liked the actor and thought he portrayed Rand very well. But he wasn't given enough badass moments. In the beginning it made sense to keep him on the sidelines. They wanted to keep the mystery of who the dragon was. But once it was revealed, it sucks that Rand didn't get his moment to shine. He's supposed to be the most powerful Aes Sedai with more strength than anybody else. Nynaeve, who's just a powerful channeler gets two huge super saiyan moments. But Rand, our main character and the dragon reborn, doesn't? It was super frustrating.
@@janhavi1977 wholeheartedly agree. What frustrated me most though was not only did they call LTT the Dragon Reborn, rather than the Dragon (really did Rafe even read the books? I'm legit calling BS on that by now), is his motivation. Changing it from a desperate gambit with unforeseen consequences at the end of a losing apocalyptic war, to an irresponsible move with known risks, so his daughter would live in a safer world is absolute... I dont even have the words for it. 🤦♂️🤮
OK. Bye.
Unforgivable that they left out Rand's father talking about his past while suffering from delirium due to his wound
Can you elaborate? I remember this scene probably in episode 7, how does that happen in the book?
@@ingGS Tam got hit by a trollok blade in their house, Rhand drags Tam to the village to get him healed, and since the trollok blade was poisoned Tam has a high fever and he talks about the Aiel war. And about finding Rhand.
@@niehoe3048 But this was portrayed in the show, they showed this just as you describe it, so I do not know what OP meant, is it too different in the book or what?
@@ingGS well it was shown in the second to last episode instead of episode 1 , which is the entire problem.
@@niehoe3048 But it makes sense for the show to do it as a flashback since they were milking the storyline of “we don’t know who the dragon is”, if they showed that in a linear timeline they would have given it away.
Perrin's wife was probably one of the more insulting changes from the books by making him manslaughter her immediately so that they could just side-line him for the entire season because they didn't want to spend the time developing his character and didn't want to cast Elyas to help awaken Perrin's powers as a wolf-brother. Plus the obvious problematic implications of fridging a woman immediately to further a man's story when it wasn't in the books and didn't actually further his character. IF she had been a darkfriend about to kill him and his Ta'veren luck had killed her to save his life by chance, THEN it would be more acceptable, but as it is, it's just a flaccid "Durrr violence bad" message from a guy who clumsily murdered his wife. They turned the in book misconception of Perrin as a big dumb oaf rather than the slow to speak gentle giant he is, into what he LITERALLY is in the show.
When they did this to Perrin in the beginning, it was pretty obvious that this was going to be the mess it became.
The show is just a different story. Seems like it's more inspired by WoT rather than a true adaptation. I've tried to like it for what it is, but it just feels like someone misremembering the whole series.
Also, there are many changes I dislike about the show, but Egwene (who has no talent for healing) heals a burnt out Nynaeve (Who has a talent for healing, and discovers the way to heal someone who is burnt out) was ridiculous. They took one of Nynaeve's defining moments and gave it to Egwene for no reason, which is also an insult to Egwene who does enough cool stuff in the books without the writers having to poach from other characters.
Nynaeve never heals someone who was burnt out. Being burnt out doesn't kill you like it does in the show but it does completely destroy a person's ability to channel ever again. It is unhealable. What Nynaeve did do was heal people who had been cut off from the One Power by Stilling or Gentling.
@@kharilane1340 , actually; being burned out CAN kill you. It depends on the level of burn out. Lewis Terrin burns himself out to death when making Dragon Mount. So does the queen of Marathon or however you spell it and there are plenty of others that do.
Whats really important about that scene is yes, what Zach said but ALSO The fact that in the TV show, they were burned out WHILE LINKED and the link holder burned them out... which is utterly impossible in the books. Through a circle, only like 70-80% of each persons FULL power can be drawn, ergo, no burn out is possible.
@@OgdenM That's not being burnt out though. That's suicide by Power. If you draw to much you simply get burnt out like Setalle Anan did when she studied a ter'angreal she didn't understand. If you try to draw it all, like Lews Therin and Queen Eldrene ay Ellan ay Carlan, you will immolate not only yourself but the surrounding area depending on how powerful you are. Burning out is like blinding oneself by staring at the sun. Lews Therin and the Queen of Manetheran tried to become the sun. Enormous difference!!!
It's a different story with all the same character names. Bullshit!
@@kharilane1340 dude rb spends how many lines saying how the crystal sword can burn you out cuz it isn't like other terangrial. You wrong.
I watched about 35 minutes of the first show and couldn't watch any longer. Wheel of Time is my favorite fantasy book series and I expected a much better series. Lord of the Rings was epic in how it adapted the books.
I should have done what you did, but I watched to the last episode pissed off and I will not be watching season 2
You were smart for not continuing this show, I can't believe I watched all 8 episodes of this awful show
Fuck this woke trash... None of the characters are like they are in the books and they bend the lore wayyy too much.
Maybe you don't remember the hate because of Arwen, because they cut Tom Bombadil, because Denethor in the books played very differently his interior conflict..
@@j.s.173 The major difference between WoT and LoTR is that the LoTR changes made sense and were relatively minor, whereas in WoT almost everyone has been race changed and the lore has been changed so much. All in the name of "diversity" and other woke motives.
The last episode sucked. Rand had no dragon reborn moment.
What!? Did you miss that whole fighting off the Forsaken thing? The Forsaken that laughed off Moraine's attacks? AND we didn't see him have a sword fight with "The Dark One," thank goodness.
@@ZlothZloth compared to blowing up a whole host of trollocs with fire tornadoes and earthquakes? Please. And it’s clear they aren’t going to do anything with the sword fighting in the series or Blademasters. He didn’t fight baalzamon with a sword btw
@@ZlothZloth no we didn't see any of that. Where was that in the show? All we saw was Not Moraine and not Rand walk down a pit they miss named and then Rand fell asleep while not Moraine got shielded, and then Not Rand decided to be a cuck for Egwene. Nothing you described happened in the show
I was honestly worried by the time it was leaked Perrin was going to get and kill a wife..the DR mystery also killed any kind of development Rand should have had. He is the main pov in the first book, while in the show he ended being just...there, with his whole personality being Egwene.
And for as much as they aged (kinda) the characters to avoid the YA feeling, there was more teenage drama than in the book where they are actual teenagers.
The show totally lacked the lighter tone of the first book, the awe and naivety of the kids when it came to the world outside their village. Rand going from a really nice, naive sheepherder to one of the most feared men in the world. Everything is so gritty from the start, and the lore, magic and power levels all over the place (how do they top Tarwin's Gap after what they did in ep 8?).
@IdleBigots That scene was absolute nonsense, and they didn't need Brandon to check the script (which he didn't) to know it. Even crazy overpowered Rand didn't kill all those trollocs at Tarwin's Gap. How are they going to show how more powerful Rand is? Bring double that number in Falme or Tear (no idea what they are going to do in season 2) and have him destroy them alone, without the sa'angreal?
They seriously need to at least refilm that scene, cause it's going to hinder any future battle, like Dumai's Wells. And while they are at it, change the subtitles in the LTT scene.
I tried to stay positive till ep 7 but 8 was just so bad.
@IdleBigots To be fair, in ep 4 the Aes Sedai are fighting men and aren't able to retaliate or fight back until they feel justified past the 3 Oaths.
gree on the other points
@@bluelight17 Oh poor boy, you think they'll actually attempt to do Dumai's Wells?
For most of the show Rand was a side character in his own story, but I was okay with it at first because I figured they wanted to keep the mystery of who the dragon was for people completely new to the story. They were sidelining Rand so that when he is actually revealed to be the dragon it would be epic and surprising. But they never gave him that epic moment. I thought the actor played Rand very well, but the script didn't give him enough chances to show his badassery.
@@Echidna23Gaming when their camp was attacked, and the other sisters were being attacked they were more than able to defend themselves, and others. So I don't understand how your trying to use the three oaths when the 2nd oath is clear that they can use the one power to defend themselves and others.
You could do a smaller list on what they did the same from the books.
names, tar valon looks. anything else?
@@gendy4369 the ancient symbol being the Ying yang. Men going crazy. People not being able to see other people channel (although Moraine should've said her speech to rand explaining why she can't teach him to channel and not just I don't want to teach you....yeah fuck it you're right. I'm just trying so hard not to be a hater cause my non book reader friends like it well enough and it's only on its second season. My biggest qualm is that this show got The Last Jedi treatment and it shows for it. There is no strong male lead, because the studio can't tell the diff between strength and toxic masculinity and missed the whole point of the books. Duality and balance. Here's to hoping though. I'm gonna watch every episode of this thing even if it's bad
Blood and ashes you're right
was about to write the same
EMOTIONAL DAMAGE !!! 😂
Main difference between the show and the books: the books doesn’t suck ass!
I bought the first book when it came out, I would schedule my vacation around the new release of a WOT book. ALL who were involved in this rape of a beloved treasure should be stilled. The dark one take you all. Blood and bloody ashes, mother's milk in a cup. The only way I could suffer through was telling myself this was an alternate pattern in the weave.
This is an entirely underrated comment lol
preach brother, after this i canceled my prime subscription especially after hearing how they are doing a lord of the rings prequal show. seems like amazon just has a hard on for bludeoning to death everything i loved from my childhood.
Well put...
Best and perfect comment I just finished a binged on every audiobook, and blood and ashes is right. I wanna see Matt go play blindfolded blades with their heads.
I agree. It’s the horrible. I refuse to watch any more of it after the season 1: ep 2.
A more difficult task, find ten similarities between the books and the show.
I'll try:
1. The show has Rand
2. The show has Perrin
3. The show has Mat
4. The show has Egwene
5. The show has Nynaeve
6. The show has Moiraine
7. The show has Lan
8. The show has Tam
9. The show has Ba'alzamon
10. The show has Trollocs
well at least tjey have this stuff
Names of characters. That's it.
@@wilson1728 or rather, they have characters with the same names.they aren’t actually those characters
@Max Headroom and powers, races, roles, organizations, and places too. Honestly I am so sick of fans of the source material whining about the movie or tv show bot being mostly like the source material. What’s wrong with a different version that better suits the movie or tv show format jeez!
Fire Rafe. 1000+ changes that have destroyed the actual plot, lore, characters, and locations of the books. Rafe seems to hate the male characters. Rand, Matt, Perrin, Logain, Loial, Lan, Lews Therin, Gareth Bryne, Basel Gill, Bayle, Tom, Agelmar, Gawyn, Elias, and Galad were either changed or removed for this tv ghoulish subversion. Yet they added in Stephan and other none book characters.
I agree with everything you're saying, but fuck Gawyn. He sucks
Fire Rafe and keep him away froM any beloved IP .
@@Dragonturtle99 yea this was an abomination
*Thom
EDIT: Autocorrect is not our friend when writing about this series lol. I can't tell you how many times they have screwed up every name from Rand or Nynaeve, to Perrin or Egwene.
It is not the changes that anger me but the horrible writing and editing.
This series is confusing to those who have not read the books, much less watched all the supplemental material.
The world building is horrible, the main characters are poorly developed, and the dialog is boring.
Moiraine is supposed to be quiet and mysterious yet she is used for countless the exposition dumps. Meanwhile the Two Rivers gang just whine and moan. How can they talk so much and say so little?
They could have started with Moiraine in the White Tower, showed the final preparation of 8 getting ready to leave the tower. Used this as opportunity to bring those who have not read the books up to speed on lore needed to understand the first season. Intersperse this with some scenes from the Two Rivers to introduce the characters there. Hold off on the Troloc attack til the second episode. Then speed up the other episodes by removing meaningless scenes and make the dialog shorter, punchier, if it's not important to the plot drop it.
We don't fear the bad guys because we have witnessed way to much plot armor in the first season. Moiraine or some other channeler is able to overpower the opposition. Hell 5 chanellers can one shot the largest army of trolocs ever seen. Why do they even need the dragon? Why can't all the aes sedai just join powers and defeat the dark forces once and for all?
No one could have been happier than me when they announced the show. No one could have been sadder after watching the first episode. It literally made me sick to my stomach. Robert Jordan was a genius. The story of the WOT is HUGE. Why anyone would feel they need to add to the story is beside me. I completely understand that they would have to leave things out. There's no possible way you could make a television series cover the entire book series. That being said, they should've stayed true to the storyline. If you've never read the books or listened to the audiobooks I imagine you might do in the series. If you've read or listened, don't watch.
Those who haven’t read the books won’t understand what’s going on, and those who have read the books won’t like the changes.
This show makes The Witcher look like a perfect adaptation
You can say that again.
New videos up guys!
I second that
Foundation:"Hold my beer"
Yea kina - and its so sad
Amazon's Wheel of Time is what happens when you have so-called "fan fiction" that is not actually written by fans.
"Pain the book fans?" We were screaming in agony almost from the very beginning of the first episode!
I watched the show and thought it was so confusing. And though I usually don't let shows rest on the books shoulders, I decided to read the first book to see if it clarified things.
The book was great! I loved the adventure and in almost halfway through the second and have the rest of the books ordered.
Yet ... The show is STILL confusing. Like you have to be a pretty big Wheel of Time fan to even understand some of the stuff they do in the show and even then, it's boring or has some sort of agenda.
The first four books are some of the best writing and storytelling out there. You won't be disappointed
For me the premis that hooked me into the WOT way back when it was first released was the idea that the Dragon reborn was male, but any male that touch the source would go mad, and break the world again. To defeat the Dark One however, required the combined power of the male and female touching the Source. This made the perfect doomed hero story arch... the fact they removed that from the series by saying male or female could be the Dragon Reborn completely erased that premis... and when in the 1st episode Moraine said any 4 of them, including Egwene could be the Dragon reborn killed the series for me... can not get past the 2nd episode.... and WOT novel is one of my favourite Fantasy Series :(
Agreed 👍
When I first heard that the Wheel of Time was coming to Amazon Prime, I was pretty excited. I invested a lot of time with the books and was looking forward to seeing what they did in the series. I was imagining WoT to be, if not completely like the book, at least true to the story like the movie "The Lord of the Rings," and respect the author's view of Middle Earth and its characters. LoTR kept true to the story and only made changes to accommodate the transition from novel to cinematography. I would never imagine saying this, but Amazon Prime should cut its losses and cancel the train wreck of a story that was crammed into eight bad episodes.
Bravo! Exactly!!
+1
Robert Jordan (James Oliver Rigney Jr.) is probably rolling in his grave. So disappointing.
They left so much out they ruined it especially leaving out Gratch,the mriswraths,rand killing his father and becoming the Lord Raul.
I wish they would of just animated this. Just makes more sense. The sense of scale in the books is insane.
often had this thought, especially seeing how cool a lot of the bonus content was
That’s why I’m glad for the Stormlight Archives they are considering doing it in an anime style, really allowing the animators to capture the scope of the story
@@christoffsimons7569 really?!?!?! Omg that would make it soooo much better
@@sirhandsome5107 I believe Sanderson said something about it in an interview
@@christoffsimons7569 That would be freaking awesome if it actually happens!
Isn't Rafe, the showrunner, on record saying he is savoring the anger of the book fans from his unnecessary and empty changes? I mean, after seeing absolutely no build up in power scaling and plot points... it is very clear this was his first draft. Has a lot of Paul Feige/ Ghostbusters 2016 energy.
AKA: blame fans and critics when you KNOW the script and final product is weak.
He's not on record saying that at all.
He is on record saying he’ll make people’s favorite characters gay in his words, “cause I can.”
He said it’s in response to death threats, which no one condones, but it definitely shows how petty the man is.
Rafe is complete trash . It wouldn’t surprise me at all
@@inertian4723 , btw; there actually WAS a decent amount of gay stuff in the books. Quite a few Aes Sedai were "pillow friends".
Mat's back story and attitude. They totally screwed the pooch there. Mat is my favorite character. He plays a huge role and his family background and the way he reluctantly but reliably saves the day makes the story. So sad they made so many stupid changes. I won't rewatch any of these episodes and am not excited at all for season 2...may not even watch it.
Oh the poor Abell. They really making dirty.
Not defending their take on Mat (it's weak, but on par with the rest of the show aka trash), but Mat as a character, for me, didn't really take off until the second book. So I'm hoping for a Mat reboot in season 2...
Main difference: people have kept reading the books for 32 years, while this show lost most people's attention in under 8 hours.
Right, I am on my 17th reread of the series, currently in Fires of Heaven. I seriously doubt I will even finish this series. Ok, you fucked up season 1... now rafe needs to unfuck himself or watch the show get dropped mid season because EVER book fan stopped watching.
Under 30 minutes for me.
you lasted 8 hours? I didn't make 1!
@@williambragg7538 no, I only watched the first trailer. The rest I know about from TH-cam reviews. The reason I said most people didn't last 8 hours is that Amazon called it their most-watched premiere of the year. But they didn't say it was the most-watched series, which means people stopped watching and didn't even bother to finish the other episodes.
@@customsongmaker the WoT saw me through two wars, two marriages and countless deployments. I humped a book 26 miles with my gear so I could read it. This series was atrocious
The show is rather "loosely based on the books" than an actual adaptation. There are so many unnecessary changes smh
Not even loosely…this rafe judkins has made it a point to change it as much as he can…what we’ve got is a completely different story now with just the same character names
Leave it to these big corporations to ruin a perfectly good story.
It's fan fiction, and bad one at that
One really annoying change was Moiraine saying it was Lews Therin Telemon's arrogance that caused the breaking of the world. It completely undermines Lews Therin's bravery and does the character a disservice. Also, Rand and Mat have been nerfed. They could fight too, not just Perrin. But you barely see either of them fight the trollocs. Rand was a talented archer, and Mat was very good with the staff. Because his dad had trained him. Because his dad wasn't a cheating alcoholic. Robert Jordan was a big fan of LoTR. The first few pages of TEoTW was an homage to lotr. Emond's field is supposed to be the Shire, a peaceful, happy place secluded from the rest of the world. And Rand and his friends were perfectly happy, naive teenagers. There was no reason to give any of them tortured backstories.
@@janhavi1977 pretty much every male character was nerfed and made dumber and more annoying than in the books on purpose to further this strong smart women thing that’s been going lately…they making all these changes hoping to attract a bigger audience but no one will give a shit about this show after 2 more seasons and it’ll go down as another fucked up adaptation because of dumbass writers
I totally LOVED that part of the Finale where...Rand snapped out of the vision(which was originally EGWENE'S Accepted Test vision in the Tower) because he did a monologue about EGWENE'S agency, desires, etc and Nnynaeve. While EGWENE and NYNAEVE have the awesome battle moment(supposed to be Rand) where they blow away an army with a blast of power. Then Rand takes a moment to talk about EGWENE AND NYNAEVE and how great they are, before *blip* THE END! FIN! The DRAGON REBORN, who has been denied screentime and development the whole first season FINALLY got his moment which was about EGWENE AND NYNAEVE WHILE EGWENE AND NYNAEVE SAVE THE DAY. Whew. Yeah, it like, totally gave me chills to see everything Rand didnt do while talking about the girls, while the girls save the city.
Amen .
Yeah, and the thing is - the girls DO get plenty of chances to be totally badass in the series. It's not like the books have them as simpering, helpless maidens who need to be rescued. It also really bothered me that Egwene was able to heal Nyneave when a)Nyneave is the one who is way more skilled/powerful in that realm, and b)THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS. I mean...the Power ;) Aside from the whole theme of not being able to heal death being REALLY important later on, even if Nyneave was near death...channeling is supposed to be a really precise skill that needs actual practice and technique, not just will power or raw strength. (Ironically, that is kind of how the Force works as it's always been a bit more handwavey and intuitive...)
@@lisamarieligreci-newton7804
Also, healing is something of a Talent, and Egwene doesn't have it.
Her talents are Dreaming and her strength with earth weaves.
The show makes the women far LESS badass by making them do everything better than anyone else. That's not what makes a badass.
In the book, Rand accidentally travels and destroys the trolloc army in a desperate rage (some might say, desperate NEED)... because he is channeling a pool of pure Saidin that was the Eye of the World. It's also the first evidence of his eventual descent into madness, accessing abilities he can not possibly know that (perhaps) belong to the original Dragon, Kinslayer himself.
They screwed up Ta'veren as well.
"why aren't the girls Ta'veren as well! Sexism!"
I ALMOST see it, but the thing is that being Ta'veren is to be robbed of your agency. To be used by the pattern.
The boys leave Emond's Field because they need to & because Moiraine manipulates them.
Egwene leaves because she CHOOSES to. She WANTS to be Aes Sedai. She WANTS adventure.
Nynaeve leaves because she needs to protect the "kids" she helped raise and feels responsible for.
They have agency. In the books.
How Rafe is going to be consistent with the books later on, when Ta'veren "power" becomes a narrative tool I do NOT know. Abandoning more of the source material, likely.
Even the focus on Aes Sedai in Season 1 as some kind of gambit (likely to appeal to "grrl power" narratives) is EXTREMELY bad as a choice.
The ONE thing that Aes Sedai rely on throughout is their air of mystery. We lose that and gain a dumb "who is the dragon" mystery that lacks ANY of the foreshadowing Jordan gave. We see a little of the white tower politics, but it's more of a distraction from the narrative than anything.
Viewers should STILL be wondering at the end of Season 1 whether Aes Sedai are good guys, or whether they're the manipulative witches that many believe them to be, and there should be a lot of evidence for both (Elaida!)
That scene was such trash. Girl power is great but as Lisamarie said, the girls have plenty of OTHER times to be badass and powerful. On top of that, circles can't burn people out. Eqwene has almost now healing ability in the books etc etc etc
Can't have a man being the hero in modern woke Hollywood. That would be sexist. Also, all the white characters need to be recast as a different race.
Without reading the books I found the series quite interesting and entertaining for myself, but after reading many critics from the fans, looking up the lore, watching this video I really can't wrap my head around why they didn't stick to the original story, plots. I saw an interview where Rafe said he's a big fan and he feels honored to make the books alive on the screen... this is honestly ridiculous. Such hypocrisy. I'm not surprised so many people want blood after this, they have every right to be disappointed and angry.
Ignore the book purist and enjoy the show based on your own opinion. Rare told everyone up front that he was mainly keeping the heart of the books. The books aren’t a script. I’ve gone through all 15 books and I enjoy the show for what it is.
Forget the books, and evaluate why it is you like the show:
The plot is a mess. It follows this who is the dragon reborn mystery, which forces it to not develop the main characters at all. And then you reveal it in the most uninspired way possible. it's a nothing, there is no tension or excitement at all.
Moiraine is stupid. They give her the motivation of finding the dragon reborn, but why? How? They talk about the prophesies, but then they crap all over them by talking about how they are unreliable, and contradictory. So she's just following Suian's dream? Oh but wait, they also said dreams are dangerous and unreliable too!
They introduce the phrase "Ta'Veren" in episode 1 and proceed to never tell you what it is.
No real world building with regards to the dragon, or why men go crazy or are dangerous. Nothing is explained.
This is actually a problem with many aspects of the show, they want you to have book knowledge to fill in all the gaps they aren't dealing with, but then they simultaneously crap on you for having read the books.
Who is even the Antagonist in this series? Is it the Dark One? The Trollocs? Liandrin? The show does nothing to establish what the ultimate stakes are.
I could go on and on. Seriously though, none of that had anything to do with the books. It's bad TV, not just a bad adaptation.
@@LeahB31 I don't know where the dumb idea of a "book purist" came from. No one wanted a word for word rendition, but a faithful adaptation that was true to the books. That isn't what we got by any stretch of the imagination. Nothing of the show is faithful to the heart of the books. CGI is bad, writing and acting is abosmol, they clearly didn't read the books because everything from clothing, to weapons to leafs are described in great detail and they got everything completely wrong.
@@LeahB31 This is not even the heart of the books. Unless you mean a heart that was ripped apart for the fun of it.
Let's just say, Robert Jordan's view on the world do not reflect the woke vision of Rafe's insane reality. Do not get me wrong, there is nothing with updating things to be inclusive... it is something entirely else to tear apart someone work this way. I do not get the need to grossly interject our ideals, politics and world views into someone else's work. Make your own work and do that.
Didn’t make it past episode 4 myself, wasn’t happy with how much they changed and added.
As someone who loved the books, and read them multiple times, I was so disappointed with pretty much everything this show had to offer
Maybe I missed it, but in the show do they ever say that Rand & co are actually from "Emond's Field"? I think they only ever refer to the place where they come from as "The Two Rivers", ignoring the fact that "The Two Rivers" is a region encompassing several villages (Emond's Field, Taren Ferry, etc).
No and i don't know why, they mention Taren Ferry though
So Rafe thinks it's funny to change the story from the books? That explains some of the terrible, medicore rewriting and added overdramatics.
how ppl can decide they dislike a TV series yet continue watching it for another 2-3 yrs and counting…and still think about it…talk about it…comment about it online…make videos about it ….
I remember starting to dislike Spartacus and was gone immediately. No complaining. Just left. Big deal, whatever, moved on. But that’s because I’m not some entitled brat who feels that TV shows exist to appease ME. Or feel like … “how dare some showrunner create media that I, one person and a stranger, don’t approve of!!!” Toddlers have fits demanding to be entertained. Adults, if they’re bored, find ways to entertain THEMSELVES. I guess I thought everybody was like that. But the sewage clogging the internet from ppl who are angry about HOTD, ROP, Wheel of Time, etc makes it clear that’s NOT the case.
Also, most, ppl who have read something would rather not sit there like they have vegetable mush for a brain, watching the same crap they already “saw” happen in a huge book series, knowing everything that will happen etc. And they don’t cling to some books like a security blanket that they’re terrified to venture from, like a child terrified to leave their mother. Normal adults have no problem seeing a show as a show and judging it as a show rather than as a comparison to the books/ their childhood security blanket lol. They don’t decide a show sucks because it isn’t exactly identucal to some writing on a piece of paper.
how ppl can decide they dislike a TV series yet continue watching it for another 2-3 yrs and counting…and still think about it…talk about it…comment about it online…make videos about it …. I remember starting to dislike Spartacus and was gone immediately. No complaining. Just left. Big deal, whatever, moved on. But that’s because I’m not some entitled brat who feels that TV shows exist to appease ME. Or feel like … how dare some showrunner create media that I, one person and a stranger, don’t approve of. Toddlers have fits demanding to be entertained. Adults, if they’re bored, find ways to entertain THEMSELVES. I guess I thought everybody was like that. But the sewage clogging the internet from ppl who are angry about HOTD, ROP, Wheel of Time, etc makes it clear that’s NOT the case.
Generally, ppl who have read something would rather not sit there like they have vegetable mush for a brain, watching the same crap they already “saw” happen in a huge book series, knowing everything that will happen etc. And they don’t cling to some books like a security blanket that they’re terrified to venture from, like a child terrified to leave their mother. Normal adults have no problem seeing a show as a show and judging it as a show rather than as a comparison to the books/ their childhood security blanket lol. They don’t decide a show sucks because it isn’t exactly identucal to some writing on a piece of paper.
I got to approach this in a unique fashion. My wife read most of the books and I'd never even heard of it. I didn't like the show, at all. She felt the same. After much reluctance and months of prodding by the wife I picked up the 1st book. Today I'm partway through the final book. If things had been left to the ways they where I'd have never experienced this amazing story, the show almost ruined that for me. I guess the wheel truly does weave as it wills.
I was entertained by this show until Rand never showed up to blast the entire Trolloc Horde at Tarwins gap like he does in the books. Literally the entire first book is a build up to that moment and there was absolutely zero pay off for Rand being revealed as the chosen one.
Same! I was watching the first season with a friend and kept going, "Ok, it's like a world reached through a portal stone. It's not the same but, it's good enough." Then THAT mess of a season finale ep happened and a blew a gasket right there on the couch.
It seriously was the WORSE, and not only for getting rid of the part with Rand wiping out the trolloc horde.
@@OgdenM yep… it’s another turning of the wheel. I get it. But Rand being revealed as the chosen one needs to have some pay off.
And don’t get me started on the reviving of those women at the end. You’ve completely removed all stakes. People can come back to life now.
Deus ex machina.
Your ability to settle for less than what should be expected is why we are where we are. You have learned to have low expectations, yet you are still being let down. Stop giving these people your money for feeding you shit.
@@MAGAMAN … I already have prime, so I spent 0 dollars for this show.
I don't think Judkins is going to really hit home with any fans of the books at this point.
Fans or anyone else really, 'cause honestly, the TV Show in general is sh**. They spend way to much money making crappy props that just look like crap. Ergo, building whole towns and cites. Then there's the trees in the blight.. those were SO BAD.
Muzze BN said it best: What I don't understand is why you take such a wonderful story, loved by so many people and then at every chance you get you gut it out of everything that matters. the defining parts and the motivations of the characters that originally made the books so great. I think the biggest problem is that series writers think people want small, easily digestible stories with lots of unnecessary drama every time they watch rather then a slowly building story that with every episode grows on us. I don't feel any emotion for anything in the series because there is no build up to love anything. I have never been more disappointed in an adaptation :(
Awesome video. I was debating watching this show, but you have saved me from being very annoyed at people who can't adapt material and instead give us crappy fan fiction.
How can you only have Saidin and Saidar as a mention? Should be number one on the list. Biological gender is a HUGE part of the Wheel of Time series. The story is mainly a coming of age story, boys becoming men. The One Power is divided into Saidar and Saidin(which is tainted). Saidin can only be channeled by men, this plays a huge role in the story, since it is why men that channel go insane and no, they dont make the one power dirty for women as they say in episode one. It goes even as far as when a character in the story gets put into a womans body HE still channels Saidin, because he still has a MALE soul. Nothing can change this, you cannot say I know identify as a woman and then channel Saidar.
They have also destroyed almost all male characters in the show. Made them weak and removed all the cool things they did and given the women those moments. Agelmar for example, in the book he is very respectful to Moiraine and the Aes Sedai order. He begs her for help when they will face the Trollocks knowing they will not survive the encounter without her help, but they will still go since that is what men do, they protect their women and children and will buy time for them to evacuate the city. Moiraine says she cannot help him since they are on their mission to find the Eye of the World, Agelmar then offers to send a thousand men to aid her, knowing that it will make him and his warriors face their end even sooner, but he is willing to make that sacrifice to aid her in her mission. Show version has him as an arrogant asshole full of himself and looking down at Aes Sedai and refusing to ask for aid.
Then the show destroys Mat's father, making him the towns drunk making out with whenches infront of everyone.. (And no, there are no whenches in Emonds field in the books, it is a very small farming community.) None of this would be allowed in Emond's field.
You say that as if these guys know what they're talking about. They just opened the first Reddit post on differences they saw and just looked at the top 10 results
the show is an abomination and should be cancelled and shown for being the travesty it is, the books were and still are some of my favourites of all time....the chance they squandered is horrendous
I mean the show will probably explain that you're just being a little loser and Logain was literally shown to conquer an entire city that's pretty powerful male channelers have not been made weak that's a big lie😭😭and we haven't even explored the one power the show is shit but you are trying to weave a lie.
Biological sex is a problematic topic in today's Twitter... we should adapt a show based on it.
@@tymac9127 yeah before Logain gets overpowered by Nynaeve lol 95% of the male cast gets completely neutered main characters and side characters it’s a complete joke
GoT ended up being awful, but no one can deny season one was the most perfect adaptation of the first book.
With a much lower budget for the first season, too!
I couldn't get past the child abuse and incest in the very first episode of GoT myself, so even with the changes from the books this still WAY better than GoT to me.
I absolutely despise the TV show game of thrones, don't know everyone likes it, and love the Wheel of Time show. Ahah, I'm a disgrace, aren't I?
@@thedusty194 Nah, people like different things. And that's okay.
@@thedusty194 That's ok, I think he just meant that the GoT adaptation was far closer to the first book of Asoiaf than the Wheel of Time show to its books.
I would restore everyone's knowledge of the Karaethon cycle. That would shut down a LOT of stupid scenes.
They needed a better way for viewers to follow the story. This is one suggestion. So often I would love to catch a glimpse of what goes on as bad movies or series are created. Isn't anyone asking questions? Does anyone have the balls to point out flaws or are is this a room full of yes men? Where is the drive for a well written script?
What would be my preferred scene from the books? That would be the one where Rand uses Saidin (the male half of the One Power) to teleport to Fal Dara and lay waste to the trollocs at Tarwin's Gap (while simultaneously battling Ba'alzamon); as opposed to the show giving that achievement to untrained Aes Sedai because WOMEN POWER!
It's so great to see a channel as big as WatchMojo making a video on this. The show has butchered the source material and it can't even stand separate from the books because it's an overall bad show, not just an awful adaptation.
Very kind presentation here. It would have been far easier (and more accurate) to say that the producers shit the bed on this "adaptation." While all of your differences are certainly present, several of them (taken together) destroyed the core of the story. I found the best part of this travesty to be the intro sequence. That team did a fantastic job on it, and, by the end of the season, it was really the only portion worth watching.
I have never read or heard of the books before watching the show. So I enjoyed the show although I did feel it was a bit rushed...
But now hearing how much they changed from the books. It literally sounds like they changed everything and now I'm disappointed. Because the books sounds so much better. I'm going to have to read the books and forget the show lol.
Do read them. And you'll see...Robert Jordan was a genius. Rafe Judkins is a mooch.
@@timcotton1782 Yes, I definitely will. I honestly hate when tv/film change the story so much that it's not even the same story. That is just disrespectful.
@@mariah.thecreativethinker the show is basically as bad as the Percy Jackson adaptation for me. just with a bunch of stuff added in that really has no place there.
Surprised WatchMojo got the pronunciations correct, I appreciate the effort
We put in the work!
This was sarcasm, right? They butchered Tar Valon and Loial.
@@jfulmer3179 They got the O in Tar Valon wrong, but they even got a funny Bayle Domon voice and reference right... They clearly did more research compared to some of their other videos
Two things,
1) - The cold open for Episode 1 should've been the book Prologue. Without it there are literally no _real_ stakes for any of our protagonists to come up against, least of all Rand.
2) - I can't fathom why they took away Rand's moment at the Eye of the World. Even leaving out the two Forsaken they should've at least given Rand his ultimate moment by showing up on the battle scene and decimating the Trolloc/Fade hoard. This would've given the viewers, namely the non-book reading viewers, an _epic_ hook, line, and sinker moment of, "Holy Sh!t, now this guy must be the Dragon!" for entering into season 2. Instead they made him completely weak. He needed a Sa'Angreal to multiply his power a hundredfold to shine a piddly light that wasn't even remotely comparable to the power Nynaeve showed in episode 4. At least not visually, which might be important to depict given this is a visual medium! When in the book he channeled enough power to destroy the armies and take out at least one Forsaken, who's strength was only slightly less than Lew Therin's back in the day, _without_ a Sa'Angreal, because he _is that strong in the Power!_
Yup, 100%. Any agency for a male character, even the primary protaganist, Rand, was removed by the woke homosexual show runners. They needed to show the prologue to properly set the background for the dragon reborn and you neeed to maintain Rand's agency as he comes into his power. Major epic fail for the communist show runners.
I totally agree. They showed Logain being immensely powerful, even though he is mad but, they don't show Rand being that powerful. Also, I agree, they should have shown Lews Therin breaking the world so people could understand why everyone is so afraid of males using the one power. Once I heard Rafe say he was looking forward to killing surprising people that would hurt fan's hearts, I stopped watching. I have no interest in watching anything by people who delight in the pain of true fans.
@@nospamforsomegirl Not even that. Logan is shocked how powerful Nyneave is. But firstly, how can he even see Nyneaves power, and secondly he should be way more powerful than Nyneave since he is only slightly less powerful than the dragon himself…
@@Benjamin-zu6gh because I’m the show egwene and nyneave have been shows to be stronger than rand… the strongest channeller in the world who stood above both men and women as the strongest… is over shadowed by every woman in the show
@@SevenThunderful Not necessarily homosexual, just feminists. In general gay dudes like seeing strong male characters
Good list, a few more questions:
1) In S01E08 Fadan Fain kills the guards with the dagger from Shadar Logoth and he also stabs Loial (only a miracle can save him). How did Padan Fain get the dagger? In the books Mat joins his friends to Fal Dara and there he is robbed by Padan Fain (TGH, chapter 6).
That makes more sense to me.
2) Lews Therin is called the Dragon Reborn in het prologue of S01E08. Is this a mistake? In the books Lew Therin Is the (original) DRAGON and Rand is the Dragon Reborn.
Loial was Robert Jordan placing himself into the books. Rafe in his hatred for the actual author, casually stabs him with a dagger that in books only a person bound the the dagger can be cut by it and live. Fire Rafe!
Well technically in a lore sense lews therin is a dragon reborn since the wheel of time never stops turning, but in the time of rand lews therin kinslayer is the Dragon, as far as they know he is the only dragon and someday he will be reborn, hence making rand the Dragon reborn
@@sumukhavenkatesha6171 Nope, even in historical texts from his own era Lews Therin is simply referred to as "The Dragon". The whole thing about the Wheel turning in cycles is correct, but that doesn't mean that the supposed 'hero' before Lews Therin would also have been called "The Dragon"
Yeah!! Rafe completly dropped the ball on this one and made a total mess of it all.
I doubt this series will ever go the full length, so great job on fu**ing up something near perfect 👍🏻
"It'll be tough to narrow it down to 10..." That says everything right there.
I was SOOOO excited for this show. I've read / listened to all 14 books at least 20 times. To say I was disappointed is an understatement.... The show BARELY follows the books, it's going to deverge so far away from the actual story by the end of the series (If its not canceled) it'll look nothing like the WoT we all know and love. Such a huge disappointment.
They also didn't get the Dragon's Banner at the Eye (or Fal Dara).
The Banner might be in that chest with the Horn and we just haven't seen it yet... either of them, actually.
The best of each book
Book 1: meeting a myrdral on the quarry road
Book 2: the horn of valere being blown
Book 3: when matt beat the gambler with rigged dice
Book 4: the history of the aiel/the battle of emonds field (its my favorite book of the series)
Book 5: moraine's sacrifice
Book 6: battle of dumai wells
Book 7: the trial at the begining where rand tries to be lenient to a traitor
Book 8: the use of the bowl of the winds
Book 9: the cleansing of siadine
Book 10: perrin giving up the ax
Book 11: matt's guerrilla war against the seanchan
Book 12: rand finding his humanity
Book 13: matt and thom saving moraine from the finn
Book 14: the final battle
This series is a pale comparison to the book, i didnt hate this until the creator made it sound like he's intentionally trolling the book fans.
He's not just trolling book fans, he's trolling every MAN who has the brains to see it.
@@Nyet-Zdyes i have a brain and i did like it
@@christinemaure4216 But, are you a MAN?
Are you a feminist?
Would you have enjoyed the show if it had clearly and consistently been misogynist?
I'm currently on book 6 of The Wheel of Time and have been wondering if I should watch the tv show. But thanks to this video I now know I DEFINITELY don't want to watch a massacre of the brilliant books. So thank you for me not wasting my time and getting ticked off about them butchering the books.
I'm glad I haven't seen the series, it sounds as if the directors have corrupted the original vision of Jordan and instead want to make a mockery of it...so sad
Difference #1: The books are amazing and the show is reprehensible garbage
The extent of the changes in the first season and the plans for future ones are what will kill this series. Show runners today have learned nothing from Peter Jackson. Respect the source material and don't piss off the established fan base.
I find it funny how Japan makes several adaptations a year stick to the source material and make their fans happy 9 times out of 10. And yet no one from the west sees Peter Johnston's failure and their success? I don't even know.
The show is already dead.
Because of the shows Dragon reborn reveal in the very first episode, we will not be seeing that moment when Mat and perin realize that rand was trying to drive them away because he could chanel
I knew there had to be changes and I was fine them skipping Caemlyn some stuff for later. But that last episode was so bad
Extremely bad
I agree
Rand never sat a foot in Tar Valon! Ceamlyn was super important!
Surprised to see such an understanding of the books from watchmojo. Well done video. The clear hatred of Rafe for WoT and derision for RJ and his values is outlined very clearly without being called out directly.
I watched the show without knowing the book series and thought it was ok. There were a few actors I liked and the special effects were pretty good. However, it definitely felt empty and the plot could’ve followed the books a bit more.
I would have liked to see Lan training the boys. Also a scene with Rand and Mat as "apprentice gleemen" if for no reason than to establish mats fast hands.
I just don’t understand why the end was so different. The book ending was so epic; Rand making a sword by the power. Why why WHY did Moraine allow Rand to go off IN THE BLIGHT by himself. Oh, when you go in the blight you could get lost… Rand- I’ll take my chances. Moraine- k have fun. Moraine would never have let him go alone. The whole thing makes no sense even if you didn’t read the books I’m sure it doesn’t make sense to allow the dragon who you were looking for all your life to just run into the blight by himself. Getting tired of the woke overtones too. The two rivers folk all have similar ancestry, why is there multiculturalism in the two rivers? The tension of the eis sedai in the books with men is the taint in the male half, but at the same time they knew the dragon would be a male creating its own tension and drama in the book- why change that?
Mat's entire character, that is what I would restore. He wasn't a pickpocket stealing form the Emond's Fielders (which, btw, is the name of the town, which is in the region known as the Two Rivers). He didn't have a gambling addiction (he didn't really start gambling until he got his luck). He was corrupted by the dagger, but it was just that, there was no darkness in him that was feeding the dagger. He wasn't left behind when they went to the Eye, Moiraine didn't turn him over to the Reds. He is a main character to the series and one of the good guys. Hopefully season two with give him the course correction he deserves.
Thank you for giving us, fans of the real WOT, a platform for expressing ourselves.
And this is why I won't watch the show. this is coming from someone who has read the entire book series. I get adapting it and all but it does make you wonder how much they had to pay to obtain the rights alongside what the author would have thought about this.
Rafe Judkins is a dark friend
LOL 🤣
The author of the books had talent, the script-writers were hired based on check-boxes, the same as every other person on the production.
What checked boxes?
Yea sure
@@quinndawsonosgood5261 Racial and sexual diversity. Ability to do their job was never a factor in their hiring.
@@christopherconkright1317 You would have to be blind or completely retarded not to see it. They even changed the race of most of the characters to tick their check boxes.
@@MAGAMAN sounds like a bunch of fascist white nationalist neo Nazi bullshit. Some of the most talented writers and artists in history "check those boxes".
Actually the one thing that disappointed me (and I know that it's small and minor), was the fact that in the series, they have Rand coming into his power later instead of when it happened at the Bridge. In the first book, Rand came into his power right as they were getting to the bridge running away from the Trolics, yet in the series, he comes into his power much later. That's the one thing that disappointed me about this. The other thing that disappoint me was the way the Aes Sedai were dressed. In the first book (which mind you the cover reflects what was described, they wore their color by a shawl, which is basically like that of a light scarf. However in the series, it's the entire outfit that is now showing their color instead. Since I went originally by the paper back book, I'm picturing them all wearing white (or off white) dresses or outfits, with a different colored shall hanging around their necks and off their shoulders. However that's not the case in the series here. Also the ring was never described (last I remember) as having any colored jewel in it, only a snake encircling itself biting it's own tail in a never ending loop. They added to those rings in what seems to make them so pronounced in the show.
To be fair, Rand was channeling for the whole show. They just didnt tell us lol
Actually quite liked them not showing Rand channeling to the last episode. It kept me and my dad trying to guess who was the dragon as we hadn't read the books. We both love the show.
@@thedusty194 They don't directly say it in the book either to be fair, but you can guess it by how it was written. Like Moiraine telling Nynaeve what are the effects of first time channeling in a chapter, and then in another you see Rand either behaving very weirdly or falling sick, and you connect a previous event to it. They should have at least left some of it in the show cause they went too extra about hiding Rand. In the book there is also no mystery cause Moiraine simply never tells them (in an open place with people around at that) that one of them could be the DR. The village would have thrown her out immediately, no matter how much she helped lol
Happy you and your dad enjoyed the show though😊
The shawl thing bugged me to no end. Like...where are their shawls?!
@@saxgoddess25 That was my thought too. I mean I'm thinking, wait, is the whole outfit the shawl now, wait, that can't be right? And then I'm seeing others with whole outfits that are a different color as well, along with the ring that's WAY too big to be correct, and those two things just started bugging me, and still do.
The Book: Masterpiece
The Show: Woke Trash
Here! Done!
As a fan of the books, I just could not get behind the show. I watched all of the episodes and kept a positive attitude that the next episode "will get there" but it was a miss for me. Especially some of the relationships and events that happened in the last 4 episodes. There was just so much left out, and that I was looking to be able to experience, that I was left disappointed. I was so excited about the TV show since it was announced and now feel like us fans of the books were duped. I realize that it is an adaptation, but you don't leave out key elements that are relevant in the middle and end of the series! I didn't see the need to age the characters or change the plot as much as they did. Robert Jordan did such an amazing job writing the books that there should have been more than enough content to flesh out a fantastic season one, or first movie.
Where is Bayle Domon, Elyas Machera and Elayne?! All three of these characters are no where and they should be there. Where is the Green Man and the Dragon Banner, the Horn of Valere where it should be and the Forsaken?! It is important that you know how many Forsaken there actually are, and that 2 of them are now dead. One by the Green Man and the other by Rand. Where is Rand defeating the Trolloc Army, not the 5 Aes Sedai that almost ended up killing Nynaeve, who isn't even able to channel unless she is angry! And all of the sleeping together with this person and that, and having Perrin (done him real dirty in this aspect too) married and then trying to follow The Way of The Leaf, please! Elyas is supposed to be there to make him aware of what is happening. He isn't left to blindly experience and not know what is happening to him. Not to mention that he never saw Egwene in the way the show inflected. And Mat... omg have they ever done this character a dirty turn! He is not this disloyal friend. All through the first 5 books he is with Rand and is always telling himself that "he stays because Rand needs him" and then they go and make him a scoundrel! The boy is almost as good a horse trader as his respected Da in the Two Rivers and known for being a good man through the surrounding villages. None of this womanizing father and drunken mother nonsense. Mat is supposed to take chances, be impulsive and rogish, but that is part of his charm! What about Eladia? She certainly is important in the following books and is supposed to be revealed that she has a weak Foretelling Talent. Vastly understating Min's Talent and then Moraine losing her powers....
That isn't even all of it. I honestly feel like the fans of the book series are outside trying to look in through the rain, but the windows are still too foggy. I don't know if I am excited for season 2, regardless of who is cast for what character. I was so looking forward to each character's story arch the way that Robert Jordan wrote it, but apparently that isn't mean to be. There is supposed to be trials, hardships, friendships made but by characters that are still so unsure of themselves that they don't even know what they will be doing in a day's time!
Honestly, I cannot believe Jordan would have agreed to any of what they have done in the series. Its painful to watch a mans life work be ripped apart by a simpleton like Rafe.
rafe was pissed that jordan chose brandon instead of him... and he turned to the dark side.
@@meepmeep545 yep i agree, Rafe has made sissified the wot characters, and bastardised the good malehood, and then championed toxic feminist. so Rafe is not a man.
Just like the witcher, I treat it as a completely different thing, using the books merely as vague inspiration. As long as I do that I can sort of enjoy the show.
I've never read the books, but I love the medieval/magic fantasy movies. But I just finished the 8th hour of this series and have absolutely no emotion tied to any of the characters, except maybe the Ogeer*? No reason to care about any other the individual characters or the motivations behind them, especially when so many decisions they make make absolutely no sense. There's no direction in the show except "WE HAVE TO STOP THE BAD GUYS"
Its trick, if someone dares to change something in the books, specially if its something people love, they better make it better.
@@CherokeeMaxx Read the books so you can share our disappointment. It will only take one.
The witcher was shit (except for superman). These were even worse.
So many beautiful characters clowned by Amazon. I was absolutely shocked and disgusted by what they put out.
you said that Rand fights Baalzamon at the eye of the world in the show, but this is not technically true. he is actually fighting ishamael, who believes himself to be the Dark One, after going mad - baalzamon is another name for the dark one, but also used by the trollocs for ishamael since they didnt know that he wasnt the Dark One. you can tell because ishamael looks exactly the same later in the show. it is also the case in the books, though ishamael is not at the eye of the world.
I had reserved expectations for this series.
Wasn't expecting much from a Mr. Rafe Judkins.
Unfortunately he's not a loyalist/purist to the books. The show has departed the books.
Yes, the overarching plot (as of right now) will most likely stay in tact, but I honestly expect that to change even though Rafe said he wouldn't do that.
If I continue to watch it, I have to turn off my brain and watch it as the show it is, with its own story, and not the show it should be.
Sadly that story isn't all that compelling by itself. I have little to no attachment to any of the characters.
If you want to enjoy the show, you're going to need to "turn off your brain" for additional reasons.
Bad writing. Poor decisions. Rampant misandry. Mary Sues. Self-contradictions.
IMO, you will also have to develop a taste for shit-sandwiches, along with turning off your brain.
They killed off way too many characters- Robert Jordan did not kill off main characters- the freaking horse from two rivers made it to the end of the books! And Amazon kills Loial?!? He is in every book!
Apparently, Rafe said Loial is fine.
They literally already healed death, so he'll be ok.
@@macksutherland8059 Writers: Should we have steaks in a fantasy adventure series? Nah, that's been done before, let's just put in a bunch of melodrama and call it good.
I haven't read the books and I totally understand the outrage of people who have read them. But from a perspective of someone like me, the series was really great - beautiful imagery, interesting characters, interesting concepts. It might not be a good book adaptation, but in itself it's a good fantasy story.
That's interesting to hear. Was wondering if non-book-readers are confused. 🤔
I'm watching it now and trying to separate my own knowledge - but it's nearly impossible to make my brain not attach weight and context, so very hard to judge how a newcomers to the series would experience it.
@@st2rseeker I get it. I'd probably be the same. But I'm someone if I'm a little overwhelmed (or impatient) I'm gonna read up on some things like terms etc. o those fandom sites. I think without it it could be a lot to remember - but I feel it's like that no matter the series and no matter if it's a good boodkadaption or not. Fantasy stories with a lot of world building can be a lot to watch and read. I'm on my second run watching it and now it's super easy to understand everything. But yes, having no clue, a lot of words and concepts are just confusing - but it's because I didn't know them yet. But I don't know how somebody would experience it without doing any reasearch. But I've always been like that with all fantasy stories, so it doesn't bother me at all.
@@leylastuber7397 it's fantastic that you enjoyed the TV series. 😀 Do read the books if you can. They're a treat and will immerse you in a captivating world and story.
@@RussiasSufferingInUkraine I started to read them a couple years back, but didn't get far - not because I didn't like it, but I think it was just bad timing - you know, when you start something and life happens and you get distracted ;) But I think I still will - fully knowing, that it's going to be a very different experience and much more fleshed out. :)
@@leylastuber7397 my gf hasn't read the books either and thinks the show is feminist trash, and I have to agree with her.
You guys actually got a couple things I missed in there. And I kept a journal as I watched each episode so that I'd remember ALL of the changes that were made. Good stuff on your part.
I haven’t watched the show but being a huge book lover, only on the ninth, I really hate it already. Egwene is meant to be a love interest where Rand cares for her but all of their marriage arrangements were just set up by their parents. Egwene even finds Perrin more attractive in the beginning, along with all her other sisters. I also really hate ho
I've never read the books, but I love the show so now I definitely need to read the books.
The show inspired me to read the books! Zero regrets the books are awesome 👌
Never heard of this series before watching the show. Not sure if loyal or not to books but the bland look of rand and his acting style were terrible and instantly told me he was the dragon meaning there was no mystery. The end fight in episode one had me interested and I had hoped either mat or rands love interest (can't spell her name) would be the main characters as they were better acted and looked like real characters from that type of world rather than the boring trope of a clean shaven brooding mess that was the rand character. Each episode after the first was a chore to watch from random things happening to weird things which only make sense due to bad writting. I was told by my friend who loved the books to watch it but I've yet to get his opinion on the series. I rate it a 5 out of 10.. a very average show with no compelling writting or reason to continue. So I probably won't watch season 2 unless I hear it gets better. I know nobody will prob read this far or care but hey felt I'd give a review from the outside.
a lot of non book reader make that same connection.
Read the books. It's worth it. Fuck this show.
I appreciate your thoughts as a non-book reader. This show is a disgusting mockery of the original source material.
I agree with you and if this wasnt my absolute favourite book series, I probably wouldnt watch season 2 either.
There was so much wrong in this season that I can not even begin to explain. Like your friend, I have been recommending the show to anyone who listened before it aired. Now I honestly feel ashamed for doing so.
I think the actor who plays Rand HAS the talent... but was deliberately held back by both the writing and directing in order to preserve the "mystery" of who is the Dragon Reborn.
That alleged "mystery" was total BS, and did SO much harm to the overall story.
They WASTED a LOT of time on that narrative that could have been used in SO many better ways to advance the audience's investment in the story and characters.
To be fair, it's barely a mystery in the book.
Been close to a decade since I last read anything of TWoT at this point and even I was like "they changed a lot here...".
I was honestly ok with most of it until the last episode when they introduced Lews and completely changed the motivation for going to The Dark Ones prison to make it appear as he was acting on his own selfish interests rather than working with others to try and do something to benefit all. Not to mention they called him The Dragon Reborn for some strange reason and I was like, nah, I'm out.
I'm sorry but isn't Lews Therin the OG Dragon, aka the guy that Rand is supposed to be a reincarnation of?
@@0XBlondie96X0 I believe the point of the OP is that they should just be calling Lews Therin simply "The Dragon" not "The Dragon Reborn"
As the only person in the room who had read the books before watching the show I explained to my family that this was not an adaptation of the books it is an adaptation of the cliff notes of the books. Most have now started reading/listening to the books.
This wasn’t an adaptation, it was a live action fan fiction.
This was so bad I can't find the words to express how bad it was.
Agreed 💯
It was deliberately destroyed.
I think you failed to mention THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE, the books were masterfully written (for the most part) and were a pleasure to read. The TV "show" could be used to replace water boarding.
The worst part of this whole fiasco is that had we gotten a more accurate adaption, the production cost of earlier episodes would have been almost certainly less expensive to make, allowing them to save their budget for the later shows when things pick up. The whole Emonds Field "battle" on Winternight was not depicted in the book, just the aftermath - and the majority of the village, including the Winespring Inn, was untouched (no need to destroy the set, or even build it in the first place, for that matter!) Emonds Field is only in the first couple of chapters and then isn't seen again until book 4. A waste of resources and a change that didn't really do anything for the story except to showcase how they planned on handling trollocs and magic...
There were other areas where the budget was blown for unnecessary spectacle that could have been used elsewhere too (that entirely unnecessary opening scene with the "red ajah" chasing and killing some poor schmuck who never even tried to fight back) ... but that was the one that really jumped out as a waste. A second point was all the end-game stuff going on requiring more special effects than the books had ...they had nearly as much of a budget for this show as the budget the Fellowship of the Ring! You'd think that they'd have budgeted a little better (maybe paid their writers a bit more??)
I laugh whenever this point is brought up because it blows the whole "we couldn't be loyal to the books because of budget restraints" argument out of the water. they had the resources they had the time they just couldn't manage either.
This series seems adamant in portraying the male characters in the most awful light:
1) Rand barely got any screen time despite being the one with the largest POV booktime of the first book.
2) The male channelers of the past, LTT specifically, were made out to be reckless fools who didn't listen to the women, and got their half of the One Power corrupted despite the warnings about it. In the books they literally had no choice, and the women backed off in the last moment, and noone expected the male half of the source to be corrupted like it was.
Also they called LTT the Dragon Reborn, when... His title was the Dragon, he was an infamous figure whose name was known by all, and the prophecies spoke about him being reborn, and that's why Rand is dubbed the Dragon Reborn once he fulfills them.
3) The Ways were one of the instances of humanising the male channelers who went mad and destroyed the world after the corruption of their half of the One Power. They created the ways as a gift for the Ogier who were suffering from illness if they stayed too long away from their lands - their Steddings, so the male channelers made the Ways so the Ogier could move fast and safely between Steddings, despite the destruction going on in the world outside. They did this favour for them because of the gracious hospitality the Ogier showed them by letting them stay in their Steddings to try and escape the madness from the One Power. If the Ogier hadn't done this for them, a lot more male channelers would've gone mad at the same time, and the world and it's landscape would be devastated even worse.
They were NOT reserved for Channelers, they were made for the Ogier, so they required no channeling to enter them, and in the books Loial was vital to their traveling through the Ways, characters used the Ways several times and sometimes without a single channeler in the group.
Lews Therin tainted the male half of the source trying to tap into the dark ones own power. So a choice was made.
@@quinndawsonosgood5261 he didn't?? The power got tainted because 1) the women weren't there with their half of the source. And 2) the Dark one managed to touch the seals. Or so Rand theorises.
@@angelic252 I was referring to the Bore drilled into the dark ones prison in search of the one source. But that wasn't Lews Therin either 😄. So much for my memory. I guess it has been over a decade since I read the books. My apology and great summation by you. Cheers
@@quinndawsonosgood5261 no, yeah, that was Lanfear doing her research hahah
It's like someone decided to make a tv show based off of a description of the series by a friend who had only read the back cover of the books.
I’m glad that it sounds like the person doing the voiceover for this video knows what they’re talking about. 😊
WOW. That went by me. WatchMojo put together an error free top 10 list. I thought they intentionally made mistakes, stupid comments and mispronounced names to drive people into the comment section to drive the algorithm.
@@conniethesconnie 😂