David Houseman The Tornado was the greatest aircraft of its type, so replacing it will be quite a challenge. That said, if anything can do it, a RAF Typhoon will.
People forget Typhoon has been in service for 16 years already... I used to live in Boston just south of their base at Coningsby so watched them doing follow my leader from my back garden in the early days. It could be exciting to watch.
Frank Kirkwood there is some real madnessin British politics and all 3 parties are no good.i just saw the house of lords voted for legislation to try to keep the UK in the eu.one bunch of unelected politicians trying to keep in another bunch even after a vote by the people.,so what chance do you think the armed services have.
tsu 800 I can understand your thinking....but more planes mean more missions able to be completed, you cant ask 150 planes to do the work of 400. The UK gov likes to rob the defence budget as we dont have a major war currently....but when we do have a war, we panic and buy any old shit the defence companies want to sell us...
That's a pretty sweet upgrade and I'm glad that the Eurofighter is still being used because I really like the Tornado but everything has it's time and I have no problem with them upgrading the Typhoon because it's an amazing Fixed wing aircraft and we should use it for as long as we can I wish I could of signed up and flew one as the same for the Tornado and harrier.
Completely agree with the comments RE: Tornado, also my favourite aircraft of all time stemmed from my childhood. Can't believe the RAF won't be putting one on display at this years centenary celebrations at RAF Fairford (RIAT) so disappointing. Especially when it goes out of service next year. I live in the North West and at least 3 a day fly into Warton over my head and we can't get one to display at RIAT.
Deserves a place on the memorial flight sqdn - the service Tornado put in and the operations of her crews is up there with anything the RAF has ever done To say it retires with distinction would be an understatement
It attemp to replace in ground support role with latest technology, but it still can't beat the Great Tornado in that area, so the RAF still stuck with The Tornado in ground support role.
Every time a NATO aircraft fires a missile, the pilot calls out 'Fox One!' or 'Fox Two' depending whether it's a Radar-guided or Heat-seeking missile. Similarly when a Brimstone is fired the pilot says 'How about a Brim-job?'. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
A combination of Typhoons and F-35s is a pretty formidable force to come up against. I know people will slag the F-35s off but they've gone way too far to allow the program to fail....and when they do finally solve the problems its going to be handful for any potential aggressor ...
The question is can you also attach Storm Shadow cruise missiles on this plane too cause that's what the tornado used to carry over Libya 2011 and currently Syria. Speaking of the Brimstone missile is it possible for a 617 Squadron the dambusters of World War II Fame to carry them on F-35B or not?
I honestly don't understand why they got rid of the Tornado entirely.... It was old as hell but it was still viable, just like the Harrier that they also got rid of but is also viable (The US proves that with a load of Harriers still in service in their air force)
They say replacing the Tornado but what is actually happening is that the air defence/airsuperiority interceptor force of Eurofighter Typhoons has simply reached its always planned multi role capability. There is still only 90 odd of them. Replacing a Typhoon fleet of hundreds (both ADV and Gr's) The idea was always to have the Eurofighter Typhoon in the air defence/air superiority role and the new JSF (the F-35 either A or B) in the strike/ground attack/ground support role. Last years Strategic Defence Review still stipulated a total procurement of 160+ F35's (still no definite decision on what type) but only placed orders for 32 F-35B's and they are for the carriers. What we need is at least 72 F-35B's for the Carrier Air Groups and at least 80 F-35A or B to replace the strike squadrons of Tornado Gr5's. This was the original plan before the F-35B grew so expensive and the British govt decided that the Russians and the Chinese and all our other enemies (the entire Islamic world for instance) would respect "austerity" and not attack while we were massacring all public spending and ESPECIALLY neutering the Armed Forces. After all that would not be cricket. Any enemy worth their salt would wait until we have paid back our huge national debt and had a chance to rebuild a military machine reeling from years of under funding and lack of support....... I always thought the first duty of any sovereign democratic govt was the protection of its citizens and the maintenance of its territorial integrity????
Stuart DeQuincy Some very estute observations Stuart. The F-35 replacing the Tornadoes in the bomber role though, is a giant step backwards as far as redundant engineering is concerned, how can you expect a single engine plane with tiny wings be a bomber? The "A" model is a total dog. Not even STOL. I really think the yanks yanked their chain on this one. I'd have upgraded the Tornado & kept it for bombing until the F-35 was 20 yrs old & battle proven on someone elses dime. The Typhoon & Tornado can be carrier & the Tornado can take off with heavy fuel loads for better range, & of course much heavier wing loading, & can scram w same speed if necessary. *fun fact- almost no dogfighting or air to air combat has occurred anywhere, bombing civilians & PR stunts rule the day, so any excuse to have a bomber w stealth (F-35), or Multiroller capable Typhoon are kinda bullshite to begin with. The Tornado is the best bomber they'll ever have, & like the U.S. trying 2 retire the well engineered A-10 for the F-35, will probably find a way of sticking around...
gladifly Yabba yabba yabba Jihad!! you are a joke mate. Don't comment on politics if you are clearly put of your depth, it'll make you look stupid, & you can probably do better than that.
Eric, I agree that the Tornado is still a highly capable air frame. In the second Gulf War it was the only aircraft that the coalition actually requested more of in theatre. (actually what they wanted were the specialised German and Italian ECR variants) It is still a superb ECR/ECM and E/W platform and the RAF Gr.5 and other air forces IDS versions are still among the most capable strike planes deployed by any air force. However they are getting old, the last one having rolled of the production line 20 yrs ago and as such they are reaching the end of the air frames useful life. I would attempt to retain the youngest and best maintained of the 80 odd still in RAF service until they are replaced (if they are ever replaced!!) by the F-35A/B. Unlike you, obviously, I actually believe in the F-35. Without doubt there is a gamble involved as in truth the new stealth and immersive data linking capabilities cannot be effectively assessed until, God Forbid it is tested in genuine near equiv tech level combat! However the F-35 heralds an entirely new scenario in air warfare and I am certain that we will be able to leverage these new capabilities for an advantage.... how much of an advantage remains to be seen but believe me Eric we are committed to the F-35 and nothing short of the collapse of NATO will effect that decision now. We are the only tier 1 partner in the project and about 18% of each F-35 is British and if lots of other countries do indeed confirm their preliminary orders (which is looking less and less likely) then there will be a considerable amount of money to be made, who knows they may even pay for themselves!! A last thought in regards to the Tornado, it always strikes me how similar a story it is to he Hawker Jaguar which preceded it. Rugged, effective, supremely adaptable and still capable of mixing it with more modern combat aircraft years after it was introduced. They both, "did what it says on the tin" The Eurofighter Typhoon followed a very similar development path and reminds me of the Jaguar and Tornado (and in some ways the Harrier) in that it chose not to introduce loads of revolutionary and flashy new technologies but to just incorporate the very best of contemporary technology and be the best at what was normal for air operations at the time. The latest Tranche 3 Typhoons are the ultimate Eurofighter platform with all its possible capabilities fully leveraged. A superb air defence air craft but also now a fully capable strike/interdiction/ground support platform and I wonder if in a few years we will be lamenting the passing of the Typhoon with the same reverence we today hold for the Tornado?
@@PlasticGangsta stealth isn't invisible, an F-117 was bought down in Bosnia, Typhoon has stealth paint tho. F-35 has the airframe of a stiff turkey, small wings on a football, w low wing loading, a terrible choice for an attacker r now. I'd wait till the jury's out on its maintainence expense, & proven reliability first, then buy.
That pilot being interviewed was either really tired or really annoyed to speak to the host. He just didn't seem like he wanted to be there giving her a tour.
Surely it would make more sense for the f-35 to play the roll of the Tornado? The Typhoon is a far better air superiority / interceptor as far as I'm aware?
John Greenslade strapping stores to the outside of the F-35 negates its stealth capabilities. Typhoon is a much better dog fighter than the F-35 but in the real world stealth aircraft are a lot more dangerous than a dog fighter
John - yes the F35 is predominantly a Strike Aircraft but at the moment it will be used to replace the Carrier Harriers,im pretty sure the long term replacement plans for the Tornado have not been made (revealed) yet,if were lucky we might get more Typhoons but I'm certainly not holding my breath.
Also about potential sales, ever since it's entry into service the Typhoon has been crippled by not being a fully swing role aircraft, it has lost potential sales in Singapore, South Korea etc even though it won the trials, it just didn't have full capability.....and that is down to money, lack of investment....as always, even now it needs the AESA radar, let alone the LERX, CFT and thrust vectoring, all of which have been trialled.....but not funded. To be honest multinational programs are supposed to save money, but they don't really, , the increase in numbers built is always offset by protracted development, differing national requirements, bickering about workshares.
Sorry but that is wrong. The Typhoon upgrade is the direct replacement for the Tornado. It was always intended to do this. With the older Tranche 1 and 2 aircraft coming out of warm store to fill the QRA and fighter roles this releases the later Tranche Typhoons for this upgrade. F-35 is a force multiplier, enabler and suppression asset. It can in no way deliver the weapon loads of a Tornado or Typhoon but makes the Typhoon a far more effective weapon. Most will be on carriers anyway!
@@1chish when I went to RIAT airshow they did a fly past with the f35 and Tornado GR4. They said that the old generation Tornado GR4 is being replaced by the jet it is currently flying with which is the f-35 lightning. This is what I am referring to.
@@jjkirbyy Well I have to say they are wrong. The F-35 simply cannot deliver the weapon load of a Tornado and is designed and built for entirely different operations. The Typhoon is the bridge between the two and the RAF have had two Typhoons in the USA working with UK aircraft in California on developing Link 16 and other direct data transfer techniques. An F-35 can get into a hostile environment, suppress threats, detect targets and then deliver weapons launched from a stand off Typhoon on to those targets. That is the new way and the Tonka was the old way.
GR4 Tornado is as old as the Harrier, It's a strategic bomber, the Typhoon is multi-role meaning there is no need for the Tornado anymore with upcoming tech.
Tornado was a built as a tactical bomber, then converted to an Air defence role. Typhoon is a swing role aircraft, which is faster, more manoeuvrable and more pilot friendly than the tornado, not to mention that the engines dont flood when it rains.
Gladifly - the Tornado entered RAF service in 1979,since then they have been pretty extensively used so now they are pretty much life expired,and yes we still rely on the Americans too much but hey-ho were the ones who elect our Politicians so perhaps the jokes on us.
The best thing to do is to put all this money together and start developing our own fighter jets. We surely have the technology ,know how. We could put together all previous developments and start from there. It will create top niche jobs too.
InsertGoodNameHere I watched a video and it was talking about the RAF. And it said by 2020 the RAF will have 300 fighter jets and a total of 1,100 planes.
If we still have the Tornado in hanger it might technically be true but I think we're going to sell them the the Germans for spare parts (they're keeping there's going another 5 years). But no we will have less jets.
I was always under the impression that pilots were forbidden from growing a beard due to it causing problems with the oxygen mask. Also, I thought only Royal Navy personnel were permitted to grow a beard.
So would it be correct to say the French were correct to leave the eurofighter program saying it lacked air to ground capabilities from the get go and they went ahead with Rafale..
No. They left because they got what they needed from the early design and aerodynamic work, were not given full control over everyone else and RR had better engines. Its why the Rafale is a direct copy. The first Rafale was a Naval fighter as were the first Air Force Rafales. The Rafale was not upgraded for GA roles until 2007 / 08 the same year the Typhoons were first upgraded.
There aren't enough, these already exist and are upgradesm, plus they are not needed with the tech in the Typhoon, just for trainers. There was an argument that the trainers weren't needed with the sim tech out there
Mikie - unfortunately all our Governments since WW2 have constantly eroded our defences,for whatever reason but like I said above at the end of the day we are the ones that elect them.
In fairness the coalition Government inherited a bankrupt country and a £35 Bn black hole in Defence in 2010 and had to make some very hard decisions. And I think they have proved to be correct. Harrier was being replaced by F-35B anyway, Nimrod was a flying deathtrap and financial black hole but we now have 2 new carriers and 15 F-35B to fly off them,, 4 new large RFA tankers, 7 new Astute subs,14 new Voyager tankers (while the USA has still not had a new one delivered in the same timeframe), 22 new A400M transports, and the Typhoon has been upgraded to deliver far more than the old Tonka. The F-35 will be a superb suppression and enabling asset for the Typhoon bomb truck while the Typhoon will still be the best QRA, interdiction and fighter platform in NATO bar none. And yes I include the F-22 because there are so few of them. The RAF will be able to save a fortune on Tornado maintenance and extra stores, have a choice of hundreds of aircraft to do whatever they need to do. OK the early Tranche 1s will not be as capable in GA as these Tranche 2 and 3 airframes but still have the same A2A capabilities and GR4 level of GA. Given all the new frigates and other assets now coming into all three arms of the military I think we should be pleased. Always need more but such is life
Tams80 - And there you make my point. yes Labour started some of these projects but didn't have the cash to pay for it. Stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan saw British troops with poor equipment ('Snatch Land Rovers' in Afghan? really?) and emergency purchase of specific kit for those wars that cost far too much money and were mostly irrelevant post the wars. (Look at what the British Army is now having to replace and buy now) diverted cash from long term and more beneficial projects. Want an example of how Labour talked big and did damage? The 2 aircraft carriers were delayed for 2 years because they couldn't pay for them. That added £1 Bn. That the Coalition Government was able to salvage most if not all of the new projects while making hard decisions on Harriers etc was a major achievement and laid the foundation for the DELIVERY of all the projects I listed. Its one thing to sign a contract and quite another to pay for it.
The Typhoon is great (actually in many regards better) in airspace we control. The F35 is more for penetrating enemy airspace, but is less manoeuvrable. That makes the F35 better for an expeditionary force (such as a carrier force). Well that and the Typhoon can't be used on our carriers anyway.
Now the US needs a next gen fighter that can win in a dogfight. From what I have seen, the F-35 & F-22 have the advantage over Su-35 from a distance but not up close. If we are under attack and need to win a Air to Air fight, we will never do it, but it would be smart to buy these than spend billions of dollars in R & D.
Cartoonman154 If that vehicle has 5 Isis in it...its worth it. If its full of explosives bound for a wedding...its worth it. If its full of weapons bound for their front line.....yep, you guessed it, its worth it
Not if that vehicle is killing our ground troops its not. And that is just one of the many (and newly added) capabilities of the Brimstone and upgraded Paveway. It can slot itself into a window of a building, kill the terrorists inside and not scratch the paint of a car outside. Unless that car has been targeted as well! Its all about accurate targeting to have reduced collateral damage. Its something the RAF is already a lot better at than most other Air Forces.
Why spend that much upgrading a plane that we already have....Tornado should be kept on for its strike abilities...proven track record etc...and its not really that old....look at the F15 thats going onto the 2050`s....our govt is crap....get rid of them and spend the cash on keeping tonkas going...
Because it is already restricted due to fatigue issues, high G maneuvers are banned. Major components are lifed so before long you have replaced an entire aircraft, typhoon is already here, f35 is needed for the boats, these upgrades will save money on keeping the Tonka going.
You guys should forget all these nonsense, and buy some 600 JAS Gripen Es and some 150 Fs. You will be well serviced in air defence, interception, ground attack, EW, and still spend roughly the same you do now
nah you need a more durable aircraft armed with a 30mm cannon with thousands of rounds armed with about 20 missiles. keep the typhoon as a fighter interceptor but I think the typhoon is a bit slow at mach 2 needs to be mach 3 and be able to comfortably hold that speed and hold more rounds and more missiles. also we need a bomber fleet again nuclear capable bombers with at least 100,000lbs weapons capacity a fleet of about 300 should do. and a fleet the same size if not bigger than U.S.A.
it was always said the English electric lightning was too expensive to keep in serviceability 72 hrs for 1 hour of flight. F35 ? don't know much about this plane but guess it's many times more expensive in service. Typhoon is an excellent fighter as demonstrated at air shows . The uk was always a leader in aircraft design and development and still. the problem with F35 it's overpriced and over here . BAE are doing a great job with typhoon upgrades and keep jobs here in uk. At the end of the day a fighter is only as good as the pilot. uk pilots are some if the best in the world if not best.
F-35 is shit,....exorbitantly expensive shit, but shit non the less. Getting successfully targeted by a 30 year old former Soviet radar from Syria by the SAA over the sky's of Lebanon and then successfully hit by an old Soviet S-200 missle means your brand spanking new aircraft the F-35 is a flying turd covered in gold. It fly's like a broken winged eagle too,....getting shot down in simulated dogfights vs the much older F-16,.... 9 out of 10 times, i think a WW1 biplane would fair better. Dump the F-35,....buy more of these and a few Dasault Raphael's,....much better and definitely cheaper too.
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The tornado will be missed, such a beastly looking aircraft
It was the exciting jet of my childhood. I'll always have soft spot for it.
A real mean looking machine... Just like a bomber should be.
I dont like the look of the tornado and anywayd its old
David Houseman The Tornado was the greatest aircraft of its type, so replacing it will be quite a challenge. That said, if anything can do it, a RAF Typhoon will.
@@craigsimons817 SU-24 is contemporary and is still pretty good.
People forget Typhoon has been in service for 16 years already... I used to live in Boston just south of their base at Coningsby so watched them doing follow my leader from my back garden in the early days. It could be exciting to watch.
Bring back the spitfire!!......
Matsimus matsimus!
Jake Hayes hi!
I expect a video on this soon
CAPTAIN H.M. MAD MURDOCK thanks buddy! 👍
Matsimus old son, this is the new spitfire.
Typhoon replacing the Tornado in capability yes certainly,just not in actual numbers though.
Frank - yes I wouldn't disagree with that !
Frank Kirkwood there is some real madnessin British politics and all 3 parties are no good.i just saw the house of lords voted for legislation to try to keep the UK in the eu.one bunch of unelected politicians trying to keep in another bunch even after a vote by the people.,so what chance do you think the armed services have.
The more capability an aircraft has the less you need to buy! Can say the same when the Tornado first went into service.
tsu 800 I can understand your thinking....but more planes mean more missions able to be completed, you cant ask 150 planes to do the work of 400. The UK gov likes to rob the defence budget as we dont have a major war currently....but when we do have a war, we panic and buy any old shit the defence companies want to sell us...
that's always the case. the mass production of older models will be overtaken when the need is met
Got to say brimstone in typhoon and f35 as main fighters is good for British
That's a pretty sweet upgrade and I'm glad that the Eurofighter is still being used because I really like the Tornado but everything has it's time and I have no problem with them upgrading the Typhoon because it's an amazing Fixed wing aircraft and we should use it for as long as we can I wish I could of signed up and flew one as the same for the Tornado and harrier.
It definitely makes sense for them to do this but my god I’m gonna miss the tornado.
Been flying em for years have ya?
@@qasis42: Have you?
this looks like a beast, look forward to seeing it fly
Brilliant improvisation from the RAF and a testament to what they do so well. Well done everybody. 👍
Combination of Euro Typhoon & F 35 for the RAF is perfect for UK defense..
Completely agree with the comments RE: Tornado, also my favourite aircraft of all time stemmed from my childhood. Can't believe the RAF won't be putting one on display at this years centenary celebrations at RAF Fairford (RIAT) so disappointing. Especially when it goes out of service next year. I live in the North West and at least 3 a day fly into Warton over my head and we can't get one to display at RIAT.
Deserves a place on the memorial flight sqdn - the service Tornado put in and the operations of her crews is up there with anything the RAF has ever done
To say it retires with distinction would be an understatement
It attemp to replace in ground support role with latest technology, but it still can't beat the Great Tornado in that area, so the RAF still stuck with The Tornado in ground support role.
Nope. Tonkas have gone and Typhoons are now the GA asset
Every time a NATO aircraft fires a missile, the pilot calls out 'Fox One!' or 'Fox Two' depending whether it's a Radar-guided or Heat-seeking missile. Similarly when a Brimstone is fired the pilot says 'How about a Brim-job?'. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
Is this available as an Audiobook
An amazing aircraft
TY for the Excellent Videos
"Allows pilots to fire on targets BVR" I would hope so...
I remember when our 1st Tornados arrived at RAF Bruggen to replace the jags 17F squadron.
Should of kept to the tornado as well
A combination of Typhoons and F-35s is a pretty formidable force to come up against. I know people will slag the F-35s off but they've gone way too far to allow the program to fail....and when they do finally solve the problems its going to be handful for any potential aggressor ...
I hope so, my nations air force has invested in the F-35.
@@rattelv426 Mine too, I’m British - where are you from or what is your nation?
@@timcasey5835 Australian, so we have F-35s and F/A-18s.
Typhoon is good looking.
Very good aircraft
Welcome to our Typhoons.
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Who makes their engines?
The question is can you also attach Storm Shadow cruise missiles on this plane too cause that's what the tornado used to carry over Libya 2011 and currently Syria. Speaking of the Brimstone missile is it possible for a 617 Squadron the dambusters of World War II Fame to carry them on F-35B or not?
Each of has counter part, such as Mig 35 with F 35 and vice versa
I honestly don't understand why they got rid of the Tornado entirely.... It was old as hell but it was still viable, just like the Harrier that they also got rid of but is also viable (The US proves that with a load of Harriers still in service in their air force)
No. The marines have harriers. There good on the small carriers to give basic air support.
It is very expensive to keep them up in the air. Companies stop making spare parts.
I'm surprised they don't use the two seater version!
They say replacing the Tornado but what is actually happening is that the air defence/airsuperiority interceptor force of Eurofighter Typhoons has simply reached its always planned multi role capability. There is still only 90 odd of them. Replacing a Typhoon fleet of hundreds (both ADV and Gr's) The idea was always to have the Eurofighter Typhoon in the air defence/air superiority role and the new JSF (the F-35 either A or B) in the strike/ground attack/ground support role. Last years Strategic Defence Review still stipulated a total procurement of 160+ F35's (still no definite decision on what type) but only placed orders for 32 F-35B's and they are for the carriers. What we need is at least 72 F-35B's for the Carrier Air Groups and at least 80 F-35A or B to replace the strike squadrons of Tornado Gr5's. This was the original plan before the F-35B grew so expensive and the British govt decided that the Russians and the Chinese and all our other enemies (the entire Islamic world for instance) would respect "austerity" and not attack while we were massacring all public spending and ESPECIALLY neutering the Armed Forces. After all that would not be cricket. Any enemy worth their salt would wait until we have paid back our huge national debt and had a chance to rebuild a military machine reeling from years of under funding and lack of support....... I always thought the first duty of any sovereign democratic govt was the protection of its citizens and the maintenance of its territorial integrity????
gladifly I would love to dispute with you but I agree....
Stuart DeQuincy Some very estute observations Stuart.
The F-35 replacing the Tornadoes in the bomber role though, is a giant step backwards as far as redundant engineering is concerned, how can you expect a single engine plane with tiny wings be a bomber?
The "A" model is a total dog. Not even STOL.
I really think the yanks yanked their chain on this one.
I'd have upgraded the Tornado & kept it for bombing until the F-35 was 20 yrs old & battle proven on someone elses dime.
The Typhoon & Tornado can be carrier & the Tornado can take off with heavy fuel loads for better range, & of course much heavier wing loading, & can scram w same speed if necessary.
*fun fact- almost no dogfighting or air to air combat has occurred anywhere, bombing civilians & PR stunts rule the day, so any excuse to have a bomber w stealth (F-35), or Multiroller capable Typhoon are kinda bullshite to begin with.
The Tornado is the best bomber they'll ever have, & like the U.S. trying 2 retire the well engineered A-10 for the F-35, will probably find a way of sticking around...
gladifly
Yabba yabba yabba
Jihad!!
you are a joke mate.
Don't comment on politics if you are clearly put of your depth, it'll make you look stupid, & you can probably do better than that.
Eric, I agree that the Tornado is still a highly capable air frame. In the second Gulf War it was the only aircraft that the coalition actually requested more of in theatre. (actually what they wanted were the specialised German and Italian ECR variants) It is still a superb ECR/ECM and E/W platform and the RAF Gr.5 and other air forces IDS versions are still among the most capable strike planes deployed by any air force. However they are getting old, the last one having rolled of the production line 20 yrs ago and as such they are reaching the end of the air frames useful life. I would attempt to retain the youngest and best maintained of the 80 odd still in RAF service until they are replaced (if they are ever replaced!!) by the F-35A/B. Unlike you, obviously, I actually believe in the F-35. Without doubt there is a gamble involved as in truth the new stealth and immersive data linking capabilities cannot be effectively assessed until, God Forbid it is tested in genuine near equiv tech level combat! However the F-35 heralds an entirely new scenario in air warfare and I am certain that we will be able to leverage these new capabilities for an advantage.... how much of an advantage remains to be seen but believe me Eric we are committed to the F-35 and nothing short of the collapse of NATO will effect that decision now. We are the only tier 1 partner in the project and about 18% of each F-35 is British and if lots of other countries do indeed confirm their preliminary orders (which is looking less and less likely) then there will be a considerable amount of money to be made, who knows they may even pay for themselves!! A last thought in regards to the Tornado, it always strikes me how similar a story it is to he Hawker Jaguar which preceded it. Rugged, effective, supremely adaptable and still capable of mixing it with more modern combat aircraft years after it was introduced. They both, "did what it says on the tin" The Eurofighter Typhoon followed a very similar development path and reminds me of the Jaguar and Tornado (and in some ways the Harrier) in that it chose not to introduce loads of revolutionary and flashy new technologies but to just incorporate the very best of contemporary technology and be the best at what was normal for air operations at the time. The latest Tranche 3 Typhoons are the ultimate Eurofighter platform with all its possible capabilities fully leveraged. A superb air defence air craft but also now a fully capable strike/interdiction/ground support platform and I wonder if in a few years we will be lamenting the passing of the Typhoon with the same reverence we today hold for the Tornado?
@@PlasticGangsta stealth isn't invisible, an F-117 was bought down in Bosnia, Typhoon has stealth paint tho.
F-35 has the airframe of a stiff turkey, small wings on a football, w low wing loading, a terrible choice for an attacker r now.
I'd wait till the jury's out on its maintainence expense, & proven reliability first, then buy.
Eurofighter 2020!this is project
I hope that is much better than Tornado jet fighter...
That pilot being interviewed was either really tired or really annoyed to speak to the host. He just didn't seem like he wanted to be there giving her a tour.
Typhoons always beats tornadoes
why not keep both
Make a carrier-capable Typhoon!
Surely it would make more sense for the f-35 to play the roll of the Tornado? The Typhoon is a far better air superiority / interceptor as far as I'm aware?
John Greenslade strapping stores to the outside of the F-35 negates its stealth capabilities. Typhoon is a much better dog fighter than the F-35 but in the real world stealth aircraft are a lot more dangerous than a dog fighter
Dan durrhurr I see your logic, completely forgot it's stealth capabilities.
John - yes the F35 is predominantly a Strike Aircraft but at the moment it will be used to replace the Carrier Harriers,im pretty sure the long term replacement plans for the Tornado have not been made (revealed) yet,if were lucky we might get more Typhoons but I'm certainly not holding my breath.
Dan durrhurr actually the f35 is somewhat still stealthy just not as much as it would in a clean configuration
Also about potential sales, ever since it's entry into service the Typhoon has been crippled by not being a fully swing role aircraft, it has lost potential sales in Singapore, South Korea etc even though it won the trials, it just didn't have full capability.....and that is down to money, lack of investment....as always, even now it needs the AESA radar, let alone the LERX, CFT and thrust vectoring, all of which have been trialled.....but not funded. To be honest multinational programs are supposed to save money, but they don't really, , the increase in numbers built is always offset by protracted development, differing national requirements, bickering about workshares.
A nice complement to the F-35.
Great Aircraft...
Bangladesh Air Force Should consider to this beautiful beast.
You cannot afford such aircraft.
Did the guy who names the missiles used to work at E. A. naming game characters?
Hasn’t the tornado recently been used in those strikes against Syria?
Tom Headen yes, I believe so
Tom Headen Yeah pretty sure they launched one of those deep strike Storm-shadows.
Yep, because the replacement program is still in development. They are also really struggling to keep the Tornados flying.
It's due to retire 2019. Still a few months to see it in action.
I believe they required typhoon escort for collision avoidance
The Tornado GR4 is actually being replaced by the F-35 lightning. Not the typhoon that is already in service.
Sorry but that is wrong. The Typhoon upgrade is the direct replacement for the Tornado. It was always intended to do this. With the older Tranche 1 and 2 aircraft coming out of warm store to fill the QRA and fighter roles this releases the later Tranche Typhoons for this upgrade. F-35 is a force multiplier, enabler and suppression asset. It can in no way deliver the weapon loads of a Tornado or Typhoon but makes the Typhoon a far more effective weapon. Most will be on carriers anyway!
@@1chish when I went to RIAT airshow they did a fly past with the f35 and Tornado GR4. They said that the old generation Tornado GR4 is being replaced by the jet it is currently flying with which is the f-35 lightning. This is what I am referring to.
@@jjkirbyy Well I have to say they are wrong. The F-35 simply cannot deliver the weapon load of a Tornado and is designed and built for entirely different operations. The Typhoon is the bridge between the two and the RAF have had two Typhoons in the USA working with UK aircraft in California on developing Link 16 and other direct data transfer techniques. An F-35 can get into a hostile environment, suppress threats, detect targets and then deliver weapons launched from a stand off Typhoon on to those targets. That is the new way and the Tonka was the old way.
What the difference between the two? im more of a navy guy
GR4 Tornado is as old as the Harrier, It's a strategic bomber, the Typhoon is multi-role meaning there is no need for the Tornado anymore with upcoming tech.
Wow it still looks great
Glad you've only realised that we're a joke. Known about it the last twenty odd years.
Tornado was a built as a tactical bomber, then converted to an Air defence role. Typhoon is a swing role aircraft, which is faster, more manoeuvrable and more pilot friendly than the tornado, not to mention that the engines dont flood when it rains.
Gladifly - the Tornado entered RAF service in 1979,since then they have been pretty extensively used so now they are pretty much life expired,and yes we still rely on the Americans too much but hey-ho were the ones who elect our Politicians so perhaps the jokes on us.
The best thing to do is to put all this money together and start developing our own fighter jets. We surely have the technology ,know how. We could put together all previous developments and start from there.
It will create top niche jobs too.
We did it’s called the tempest
Someone please tell me if the uk airforce will grow? I hope so.
Oskar Thicc very doubtful considering the governments budget cuts, soon we'll only have paper planes in the RAF
InsertGoodNameHere I watched a video and it was talking about the RAF. And it said by 2020 the RAF will have 300 fighter jets and a total of 1,100 planes.
Oskar - sorry to disappoint you but it will be impossible for the RAF to have 300 Fighter Jets by 2020 !
If we still have the Tornado in hanger it might technically be true but I think we're going to sell them the the Germans for spare parts (they're keeping there's going another 5 years). But no we will have less jets.
I have no optimism with current politicians. As John Lennon said in 1981, we need a businessman in charge not a politican.
Nothing will replace her; just fly in her place 😔
typhoon jet is lovely jet love gorgoues chan xxx highheels ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
He needs a shave.
Bomber783 yeah I agree I’m not into his turnout. I know he’s allowed but I don’t think it looks professional for a interview format
Yes, warriors shave.
Also, he should loose a few pounds.
I was always under the impression that pilots were forbidden from growing a beard due to it causing problems with the oxygen mask. Also, I thought only Royal Navy personnel were permitted to grow a beard.
The Paranoid Blues Man I suppose it isn't really grown out and he isn't RAF personnel so he does not have to follow regulations.
He can have put some effort in for the cameras... Looked like he just turned up after being on a weekend drink binge...
The first clip wasn’t Iraq, it was the trail to red flag at Nellis in 2014.
So what happens if were at war next week
Tornado the real deal
So would it be correct to say the French were correct to leave the eurofighter program saying it lacked air to ground capabilities from the get go and they went ahead with Rafale..
No. They left because they got what they needed from the early design and aerodynamic work, were not given full control over everyone else and RR had better engines. Its why the Rafale is a direct copy. The first Rafale was a Naval fighter as were the first Air Force Rafales. The Rafale was not upgraded for GA roles until 2007 / 08 the same year the Typhoons were first upgraded.
Squadron as in number in defence with a North, as to a England with a Eastern in with a conflict as in pretext!
Anyone notice the saudi Tornado inthe background?i wonder why its there.
Wouldn't the 2 seater typhoon be better for land atack missions like the tornados was.
There aren't enough, these already exist and are upgradesm, plus they are not needed with the tech in the Typhoon, just for trainers. There was an argument that the trainers weren't needed with the sim tech out there
Its not as modern as the Tempest!
Getting rid of the Tonka bloody hell
The Typhoon was designed to meet aircraft in the sky, not targets on the ground
Multirole isn't it?
But that doesn't mean it can't do both
WHERE - IS - THE - HARRIER!
Old?
Otherwise known as eurofighter!
Why do I still suspect their will be capability gaps (SEAD, anti-ship, RAPTOR... what next)? This government likes a sneaky defence cut
Mikie - unfortunately all our Governments since WW2 have constantly eroded our defences,for whatever reason but like I said above at the end of the day we are the ones that elect them.
In fairness the coalition Government inherited a bankrupt country and a £35 Bn black hole in Defence in 2010 and had to make some very hard decisions. And I think they have proved to be correct. Harrier was being replaced by F-35B anyway, Nimrod was a flying deathtrap and financial black hole but we now have 2 new carriers and 15 F-35B to fly off them,, 4 new large RFA tankers, 7 new Astute subs,14 new Voyager tankers (while the USA has still not had a new one delivered in the same timeframe), 22 new A400M transports, and the Typhoon has been upgraded to deliver far more than the old Tonka. The F-35 will be a superb suppression and enabling asset for the Typhoon bomb truck while the Typhoon will still be the best QRA, interdiction and fighter platform in NATO bar none. And yes I include the F-22 because there are so few of them.
The RAF will be able to save a fortune on Tornado maintenance and extra stores, have a choice of hundreds of aircraft to do whatever they need to do. OK the early Tranche 1s will not be as capable in GA as these Tranche 2 and 3 airframes but still have the same A2A capabilities and GR4 level of GA.
Given all the new frigates and other assets now coming into all three arms of the military I think we should be pleased. Always need more but such is life
Hardly any of that is thanks to the coalition government. It was previous governments that gave the go-ahead to most of those programmes.
Tams80 - And there you make my point. yes Labour started some of these projects but didn't have the cash to pay for it. Stupid wars in Iraq and Afghanistan saw British troops with poor equipment ('Snatch Land Rovers' in Afghan? really?) and emergency purchase of specific kit for those wars that cost far too much money and were mostly irrelevant post the wars. (Look at what the British Army is now having to replace and buy now) diverted cash from long term and more beneficial projects.
Want an example of how Labour talked big and did damage? The 2 aircraft carriers were delayed for 2 years because they couldn't pay for them. That added £1 Bn.
That the Coalition Government was able to salvage most if not all of the new projects while making hard decisions on Harriers etc was a major achievement and laid the foundation for the DELIVERY of all the projects I listed. Its one thing to sign a contract and quite another to pay for it.
Too few Typhoons.
Mr flyboy needs to ease up on the donuts and cake ! 😁
If this can replace the tornado why does the RAF need the over priced f35?
karl Mallyon because I suppose F35 is more advanced. And I think F35s are for carriers. But Im not fond of it.
The F35 is mainly for the carriers. Typhoon is land based.
The Typhoon is great (actually in many regards better) in airspace we control. The F35 is more for penetrating enemy airspace, but is less manoeuvrable. That makes the F35 better for an expeditionary force (such as a carrier force). Well that and the Typhoon can't be used on our carriers anyway.
Typhoon can fight it's way through contested space, F35 flies through uncontested.
Politics, unfortunately!
Did I see the Saudi tornado at 0:37 ? 🤔
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I hear typhoons flying over my house like every day probably one there now ngl
Speak of the devil ...
Lucky...
Typhoon should have been put on the ships and the cash from the f35 invested in drones.
Typhoon is inferior to Tornado.
Now the US needs a next gen fighter that can win in a dogfight. From what I have seen, the F-35 & F-22 have the advantage over Su-35 from a distance but not up close. If we are under attack and need to win a Air to Air fight, we will never do it, but it would be smart to buy these than spend billions of dollars in R & D.
Niceee
It seems expensive to send a typhoon do destroy a vehicle with a £100,000 missile.
i don't think they will be using a £100,000 missile to just destroy a vehicle, something along the lines of paveway bomb would do that job
Cartoonman154
If that vehicle has 5 Isis in it...its worth it.
If its full of explosives bound for a wedding...its worth it.
If its full of weapons bound for their front line.....yep, you guessed it, its worth it
Not if that vehicle is killing our ground troops its not. And that is just one of the many (and newly added) capabilities of the Brimstone and upgraded Paveway. It can slot itself into a window of a building, kill the terrorists inside and not scratch the paint of a car outside. Unless that car has been targeted as well! Its all about accurate targeting to have reduced collateral damage. Its something the RAF is already a lot better at than most other Air Forces.
it costs over £100,000 per hour to fly anyway. don't worry about it.
Blown Fox they already have used it to destroy isis vehicals
"Flying missions like these ONES................."
"Flying missions like THESE" is quite sufficient, Dear...................................
Why spend that much upgrading a plane that we already have....Tornado should be kept on for its strike abilities...proven track record etc...and its not really that old....look at the F15 thats going onto the 2050`s....our govt is crap....get rid of them and spend the cash on keeping tonkas going...
russell morgan Tornado is a brilliant all weather capable aircraft that is truly capable, tried and tested.
Because it is already restricted due to fatigue issues, high G maneuvers are banned.
Major components are lifed so before long you have replaced an entire aircraft, typhoon is already here, f35 is needed for the boats, these upgrades will save money on keeping the Tonka going.
planes wear out, they become more and more expensive to maintain. Sometimes it becomes pure economics to simply replace.
German techno
What is ?
Shame we have such small numbers of typhoons! Shame
You guys should forget all these nonsense, and buy some 600 JAS Gripen Es and some 150 Fs. You will be well serviced in air defence, interception, ground attack, EW, and still spend roughly the same you do now
Shoot all the problems away.....
so what do su 35 expect
nah you need a more durable aircraft armed with a 30mm cannon with thousands of rounds armed with about 20 missiles. keep the typhoon as a fighter interceptor but I think the typhoon is a bit slow at mach 2 needs to be mach 3 and be able to comfortably hold that speed and hold more rounds and more missiles. also we need a bomber fleet again nuclear capable bombers with at least 100,000lbs weapons capacity a fleet of about 300 should do. and a fleet the same size if not bigger than U.S.A.
Noice
Yep speaking of the devil here it is
The RAF should’ve bought some A10s or F-18 instead of the F35... well they still havent ordered all the F35s so they might change their minds
Looks like some bloke from Wetherspoons lol
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it was always said the English electric lightning was too expensive to keep in serviceability 72 hrs for 1 hour of flight.
F35 ? don't know much about this plane but guess it's many times more expensive in service.
Typhoon is an excellent fighter as demonstrated at air shows .
The uk was always a leader in aircraft design and development
and still. the problem with F35 it's overpriced and over here . BAE are doing a great job with typhoon upgrades and keep jobs here in uk. At the end of the day a fighter is only as good as the pilot. uk pilots are some if the best in the world if not best.
SU-35 is more maneuverable and the SU-57 has got better Stealth. Both Russian planes beat out the Eurofighter.
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F-35 is shit,....exorbitantly expensive shit, but shit non the less. Getting successfully targeted by a 30 year old former Soviet radar from Syria by the SAA over the sky's of Lebanon and then successfully hit by an old Soviet S-200 missle means your brand spanking new aircraft the F-35 is a flying turd covered in gold.
It fly's like a broken winged eagle too,....getting shot down in simulated dogfights vs the much older F-16,.... 9 out of 10 times, i think a WW1 biplane would fair better.
Dump the F-35,....buy more of these and a few Dasault Raphael's,....much better and definitely cheaper too.
Yep speaking of the devil here it is