this was seriously interesting to listen to. made me think about how conservative BNM has become over the past ten years. not only are there not as many 9.0+ ratings anymore, but the 9.0s are only given in very particular circumstances. Supersilent isn't gonna be getting any great reviews anymore, bands like Out Hud are under the bus. It's less about exposing people to interesting new music as much as it is just an economy. the original ethos that they were thriving off of in the mid 2000s is dead and gone. it's about making the right business play for the Pitchfork brand. And giving the new Clipping record, or the new Hot Chip album a BNM designation isn't gonna be good for the sorts of connections that are going to make you the most amount of $$$ and bring you the most buzz as a website/brand. Please have Chris back on the show again. These are the kinds of conversations we need to be having about the modern music industry.
Pitchfork Media should change its name to "Grain of Salt Media". Chris was a great guest. A little jaded for my taste, but he had a lot to say and spoke well.
+Sm ramgator I don't know, I think that he feels if if he were to succumb to any of the jokes Ott was making about Pitchfork he would seem against Pitchfork. I think he's trying to be as objective as possible. I also think he probably doesn't want to really acknowledge Ott's compliments as it's not about him, it's about the interview and the interview subject.
+Sm ramgator he usually is quite dismissive about compliments, it was the same in the injury reserve episode. maybe it just makes him feel weird i sometime feel like that.
Small note at 1:16:52, Condé Nast is not a publicly-traded company (unlike Time Warner, the then parent company of Chris's former employer) . Since 1959 it's been a division of the mass-media conglomerate Advance Publications, which serves as the private holding company for the Newhouse family.
Pitchfork beginning on the slow roll into a music tabloid is unfortunate but predictable. They're the last, obstinate vestige of the indie era and they've been long overdue for subsumption by companies like Conde Nast. This was the same trajectory that every movie review show on television had- lest we forget that entertainment tonight started out for the purpose of reviewing and presenting movies and television, and look how that turned out. The reality is that media criticism represents a challenge for modern consumerist capitalism, but that criticism is eventually a purchasable commodity.
I could listen to Chris talk for hours. Hugely insightful. The stuff about Pitchfork and Class privilege in music was spot on. People are so willing to eat up whatever pitchfork thinks is cool--their stamp of approval can be purchased.
Dude just let the conversation go where it wants to. You seemed so annoyed at Chris for having other things he wanted to talk about (privilege and being "anti-establishment") That said, Ott's critique of Ian Cohen was pretty damn blunt and was fun to listen to.
Chris Ott said Iggy Pop, Michael Gira, and David Bowie all were well off rich kids. Iggy Pop's family lived in a trailer in Yipsilanti Michigan. His dad was a teacher so im pretty sure that's wrong
I think this might be the best interview on the podcast so far. Was the most interesting, too, but I don't have too much to say on the topic so thanks for the content.
A "conversation" with Chris Ott is misleading. It's a lowbrow interview when you address a bulleted list of predetermined questions and refuse to deviate from them. Ott was a great guest but you may as well have just sent him a sheet of talking points and let him do the show himself if you're not going to try to encourage any serious/organic discussion. You just sound bored the whole time; if you're not feeling the podcast, then just don't do it. You're an awful host, Anthony.
Chris Ott was talking out of his ass. Spin was covering the Strokes and the NYC scene when it was happening in the early 00s. He shit'son panic and the disco, but says reviewers should bite and review all this pop shit.
To those who are saying Anthony isn't interested in conducting this interview, listening to his guest, or whatever - this interview ended up interesting most of us anyway. Maybe Anthony knows his guest a little bit more than you, and what kind of interview would produce the most content. You can't deny there was a lot of interesting content here. To be honest, I also wanted Anthony to take a little credit for himself, or respond to the massive compliments he seemed to be getting. But that's not really so important.
1:14:46 The last point Chris made in this interview predicted the future of P4k with scary accuracy. It feels like the website is no long backing any kind of new album/artist/scene with even the faintest of enthusiasm. They didn't give any album in 2023 a 9.0+. What a joke.
Looking back, Pitchfork being bought out really affected them in the worst way. Their lists have become worse and worse and more pandering to political views so much so that they can barely be called music journalism. It's embarrassing. I miss Ott and Pitchfork in general.
you 2 brought up some great points with privileged people making music. i see all these techno producers with tens of thousands of dollars worth of hardware and wonder how they can afford it all making inaccessible music a lot of the time. it makes sense now.
I thought Zachary Cole wasn't well off? I read in an interview that he was broke and couldn't afford Williamsburg, so he lived in a shitty neighborhood in east NY. Interesting of him to mention Mike Sniper.
have you heard "Young Thug - Slime Season" and "Young Thug - Slime Season 2", imo a lot of improvement since "Barter 6", did not like Barter 6 except for Check, but i would just like to know what your thoughts where on it, cause he dropped like 2 mixtapes in 2 months
@theneedledrop hey anthony, do you by any chance know where chris ott is posting these days? he deleted his twitter, but i have a feeling he's still active somewhere, but it's not his medium or website. help me, golden trashbag.
Jack A his TH-cam channel shallow rewards. It's been 3 months but he's re-uploaded his old videos that others have archived and uploaded. The playlist goes by the same name.
To be fair, back when Chris was writing for Pitchfork, Godspeed was more popular and getting press, and using that press to mouth off on music they thought sucked. I love Godspeed, but they could be pedantic as hell, and that's likely what colors Chris' opinion. He may also think they're a bad band.
this was seriously interesting to listen to. made me think about how conservative BNM has become over the past ten years. not only are there not as many 9.0+ ratings anymore, but the 9.0s are only given in very particular circumstances. Supersilent isn't gonna be getting any great reviews anymore, bands like Out Hud are under the bus. It's less about exposing people to interesting new music as much as it is just an economy. the original ethos that they were thriving off of in the mid 2000s is dead and gone. it's about making the right business play for the Pitchfork brand. And giving the new Clipping record, or the new Hot Chip album a BNM designation isn't gonna be good for the sorts of connections that are going to make you the most amount of $$$ and bring you the most buzz as a website/brand.
Please have Chris back on the show again. These are the kinds of conversations we need to be having about the modern music industry.
+Walker Nickel This, everyone. This.
Clipping isn't interesting, though
Tom h No they aren't, but the guy is right about how relevant this guest was on the podcast
***** No they aren't. It's literally generic rapping over white noise
+Tom h OPINIONS. ALL OPINIONS.
The virgin Fantano vs the giga chad Ott
Pitchfork Media should change its name to "Grain of Salt Media". Chris was a great guest. A little jaded for my taste, but he had a lot to say and spoke well.
Chris Ott sounds like Jack Black playing a washed up hipster . i.e. he sounds awesome. I love how he hates stuff so agressively
Basically jack black in high fidelity lol
Great guest and interview but Anthony you seemed detached a lot of the time, especially when Ott was making colorful jokes and complimenting you a ton
+Sm ramgator I don't know, I think that he feels if if he were to succumb to any of the jokes Ott was making about Pitchfork he would seem against Pitchfork.
I think he's trying to be as objective as possible.
I also think he probably doesn't want to really acknowledge Ott's compliments as it's not about him, it's about the interview and the interview subject.
+Sm ramgator he usually is quite dismissive about compliments, it was the same in the injury reserve episode. maybe it just makes him feel weird i sometime feel like that.
Small note at 1:16:52, Condé Nast is not a publicly-traded company (unlike Time Warner, the then parent company of Chris's former employer) . Since 1959 it's been a division of the mass-media conglomerate Advance Publications, which serves as the private holding company for the Newhouse family.
Pitchfork beginning on the slow roll into a music tabloid is unfortunate but predictable. They're the last, obstinate vestige of the indie era and they've been long overdue for subsumption by companies like Conde Nast. This was the same trajectory that every movie review show on television had- lest we forget that entertainment tonight started out for the purpose of reviewing and presenting movies and television, and look how that turned out. The reality is that media criticism represents a challenge for modern consumerist capitalism, but that criticism is eventually a purchasable commodity.
OMG the Ray Suzuki thing is hilarious. I googled "ray suzuki pitchfork" right now and guess what came up? That one Jet review.
I could listen to Chris talk for hours. Hugely insightful. The stuff about Pitchfork and Class privilege in music was spot on. People are so willing to eat up whatever pitchfork thinks is cool--their stamp of approval can be purchased.
Dude just let the conversation go where it wants to. You seemed so annoyed at Chris for having other things he wanted to talk about (privilege and being "anti-establishment")
That said, Ott's critique of Ian Cohen was pretty damn blunt and was fun to listen to.
+burritoman12 I think many people would be annoyed about the privilege bs and such
+Joseph Okori Well yes, he probably is since this is one of the places to do such a thing.
confusing wolf eyes for wolf parade?
priceless.
best guest so far tbh
Fantano sounds so uninterested in some parts
+Kawaii Stefan "sure"
'yeayeayea"
"okay" *patented anthony awkward chuckle*
Chris Ott said Iggy Pop, Michael Gira, and David Bowie all were well off rich kids. Iggy Pop's family lived in a trailer in Yipsilanti Michigan. His dad was a teacher so im pretty sure that's wrong
I think this might be the best interview on the podcast so far. Was the most interesting, too, but I don't have too much to say on the topic so thanks for the content.
Anthony love you, but you were seriously an awful host this episode.
get lil b clams casino danny brown on the show at once for a 2011 rap themed episode
A "conversation" with Chris Ott is misleading. It's a lowbrow interview when you address a bulleted list of predetermined questions and refuse to deviate from them. Ott was a great guest but you may as well have just sent him a sheet of talking points and let him do the show himself if you're not going to try to encourage any serious/organic discussion. You just sound bored the whole time; if you're not feeling the podcast, then just don't do it. You're an awful host, Anthony.
+foramejora 100% agreed.
Yea wish you would have followed him down the rabbit hole a little more, Anthony. Great podcast though. Best one yet.
I like his podcasts
Chris Ott was talking out of his ass. Spin was covering the Strokes and the NYC scene when it was happening in the early 00s. He shit'son panic and the disco, but says reviewers should bite and review all this pop shit.
To those who are saying Anthony isn't interested in conducting this interview, listening to his guest, or whatever - this interview ended up interesting most of us anyway. Maybe Anthony knows his guest a little bit more than you, and what kind of interview would produce the most content. You can't deny there was a lot of interesting content here. To be honest, I also wanted Anthony to take a little credit for himself, or respond to the massive compliments he seemed to be getting. But that's not really so important.
+ThronesCast Onthany Hisdicktano.
I have to be honest, this was not a good interview. The way you introduced the guest was kinda inexcusable. You seemed disinterested the whole time.
Review the Shrek 2 sound track Anthony.
1:14:46 The last point Chris made in this interview predicted the future of P4k with scary accuracy. It feels like the website is no long backing any kind of new album/artist/scene with even the faintest of enthusiasm. They didn't give any album in 2023 a 9.0+. What a joke.
yuss you got ott in the podcast
Wow, this was an insane look inside the world of music media.
Wish Ott would have expanded on Tool...obvious he doesn't like them, but I would love to hear his detailed thoughts.
fanta too overwhelmed lmao
Looking back, Pitchfork being bought out really affected them in the worst way. Their lists have become worse and worse and more pandering to political views so much so that they can barely be called music journalism. It's embarrassing. I miss Ott and Pitchfork in general.
lol thats exactly what shiner is
what did he say about the egg tho? i can't figure out. "to be fair..."
sure
this might be your best podcast yet
Chris Ott fucking rules, can listen to this guy hate the world on a permanent unending loop
Please Please Interview Michael Gira it would make my life
52:29 - 52:36 PRETTY MUCH SUMS UP THE INTERVIEW
This was the most interesting podcast so far
Late Knight Special- Kirk Knight review it
get Danny Brown on
Brings up some extra underground goth rappers the second hip hop is mentioned…. Oh yeah you’re real in touch 😂
Review the new Shining album, International Blackjazz Society!
burp right into that mic Chris, great job...
Can't wait for another Chris Ott podcast
REALLY ENJOYED THIS I WANT MORE CHRIS OTT
Check out his video series "Shallow Rewards"
Chris Ott is great!
Eccojams for classics week tbh fam
Do a regular monthy podcast with Ott
hey anthony review wiped out! by the neighbourhood please
you 2 brought up some great points with privileged people making music. i see all these techno producers with tens of thousands of dollars worth of hardware and wonder how they can afford it all making inaccessible music a lot of the time. it makes sense now.
+Kinshasa9200 what
Review the new Madlib collaborative album, WHOthony Bacontano.
I hope you do a few more with him, he had an interesting perspective with interesting things to say.
I thought Zachary Cole wasn't well off? I read in an interview that he was broke and couldn't afford Williamsburg, so he lived in a shitty neighborhood in east NY. Interesting of him to mention Mike Sniper.
enjoyed the interview, but... pretty sure Iggy Pop wasn't a "rich kid"
Ahhhh! My Halloween wish came true!
I can't find the Wolf Parade track that Chris Ott was talking about.
+Geoffthebunchie He meant Wolf Eyes haha soundcloud.com/thirdmanrecords/t-o-d-d-1
Imagine Wolf Parade doing a Krautrock album lmao
+theneedledrop too bad. I miss Wolf Parade.
Truly a legend
If you ever get the chance, you should do a review of Everything Goes Numb by Streetlight Manifesto. Or any of their records, really
How bout Armin Van Buuren - Embrace? i just wanna hear you rip apart edm ;)
Does Anthony hate Ott or is he just high?
Hi anthony!, will you review the new puscifer album?. I would like to hear your thoughts about it
have you heard "Young Thug - Slime Season" and "Young Thug - Slime Season 2", imo a lot of improvement since "Barter 6", did not like Barter 6 except for Check, but i would just like to know what your thoughts where on it, cause he dropped like 2 mixtapes in 2 months
Happy Halloween everybody
This guy is great, I'd love to hear another podcast with him in the future
@theneedledrop hey anthony, do you by any chance know where chris ott is posting these days? he deleted his twitter, but i have a feeling he's still active somewhere, but it's not his medium or website.
help me, golden trashbag.
Jack A his TH-cam channel shallow rewards. It's been 3 months but he's re-uploaded his old videos that others have archived and uploaded. The playlist goes by the same name.
Wiped Out! - The Neighbourhood
Chris Ott seems like such a crab
Bad neighbour med blu and madlib review?
Slime season 2!
Review Dave East Hate Me Now!
"sure"....
holy fuck, Chris ott
Anthony please review Panda Bear's Swallow at the Hollow
Anthony address the term indie.
Hey Anthony, did you check out Mutant Standard by Oneohtrix Point Never.
This guy lost me at his comment on Godspeed, couldn't even listen on after that point it's impossible to take him seriously.
To be fair, back when Chris was writing for Pitchfork, Godspeed was more popular and getting press, and using that press to mouth off on music they thought sucked. I love Godspeed, but they could be pedantic as hell, and that's likely what colors Chris' opinion. He may also think they're a bad band.
Is indie really dead
Simultaneously!!
So nice hearing current events spoken about by someone who peaked in 2003.
FUDDYDUDDY NOFUNO
What was the "Tool" discussion going lol
MADLIB!!!!!!!
Please review "so we ate them whole by jam baxter" thanks!
Please review Sovran by Draconian!!!
hey man u should review buck 65 'vertex' :)
Can you review Beyondoom?
40:53 me_irl
'zines
i’m gay
Nice
Review El Vy
MED BLU MADLIB
2up
Zoef
review late knight special
Slime season 2