really appreciate that smooth 70s! i’ve always wanted to see how james murphy mics his drums because they’re so punchy and distinct and this is the closest i’ve heard to his sound
@@markpeters2317 Warner Bros had a killer roster of artists in the 70s, for every genre. Fleetwood Mac, Rufus and Chaka, Doobie Bros, Graham Central Station, Funkadelic, Tower Of Power, Sly, Little Feat, young new signee Prince, Montrose...my god Van Halen was just around the corner. What a label!
Glyn Johns can sound very different, more like the others, if using condensors rather than ribbons, and cranking a nice saturating pre-amp. It depends what sound you are looking for. With ribbons it's quite a lo-fi sound, with large diagphragm condensors it's more the Bonham sound. With a big booming floor tom/kick sound. Then if you want a tighter more compact sound, Recorderman is similar but I think does tighten up the image. 70's did sound the best to me overall here. Easier to get a good mix with that very compact sound.
Glyn Johns do not requires ribbons: can be condensers or even dynamics. It's about the placement and there are different possinle variants. Also the bass drum mic shouldn't be very close, but getting more of the kit sound while still focusing on the bass drum.
i never understood this - if measuring the difference from multiple mics to the snare is to avoid phasing issues, won't other things, like toms and cymbals be out of phase?
Wasn't the Glyn Johns technique 3 large diaphragm condensers one on the kick, one on the rack tom at the snare, and one across the floor tom into the snare?
This is a great material and good comparison between genres thank you! I have been trying a similar approach for our jazz band rehearsals but for the condenser XY overhead I used Zoom H2n facing down on the snare. I noticed that it doesn't get much from the snare and the cymbals are too dominant... Any ideas?
I listen to jazz a lot, my constructive criticism is that i would want a lot more hi hat in the mix because really it is playing the role the snare does in most other music, the ride is floaty so the hi hat needs to be there to lock in the time, listen to art blakey and max roach if you havent
Note that the tuning and how the drums are played are 95% of the whole thing. Mic placement and mic choice is a minimal factor. Even the drum set itself is a minimal factor. Tune tune tune to achieve the drums you're after.
Part of it could be "feeling the rhythm." If you keep your body moving, even to a point of exaggeration, you'll have a better time with staying on tempo and keeping dynamics/accents accurate and noticeable. But also, if you go to a concert and all the musicians are stiff as a board and expressionless, you might get bored. Maybe not you specifically, but definitely some audience members.
Who does she play drums with, or what band? I am sooo impressed with her for many reasons; she does not rush drum fills, she hits the drums with enough ugh-mm-ff-pp that they sound great, she knows gear and what works for what genre, she has a great laugh, and is attractive. I know i know, that shouldn't matter, but let's be honest... in the music industry it likely does matter. thanks, Taylor Hal (brother of Jack Black and Mr. Shallow Hal) ; )
S-A-M-P-L-E-S in post lol Or buy a electronic drum kit, get some Roland 808 samples on it, at least on the kick drum and on the hi-hat, and yeah... there ya go. There is no way to replicate the power of 808 kick in a regular drum kit, trap music is famous for that massive kick+sub so the best thing you can do is buy a electronic drum kit for this genre.
@@joewhalleyschannel even so, some info on getting an old school r&b sound a la Stax or Motown records would have been appreciated. It's pretty much the exact opposite of the tight dry '70s rock sound they showed. Even though I guess with the right room you could probably fake it with a Glyn Johns setup
All good tried and true techniques, I rather experiment and stray from them to attempt to achieve originalitty, that is how Metallica's black album sound came about, or Deftones White Pony album or giong way back Led Zeppellin all using unconventional techniques. Today's recording are starting to sound the same and it is really boring not to mention that a lot of new musicians have very little talent and rely on quantizing and pitch correction a lot.
Give her a break. Jazz is a very difficult genre and she did alright for not being a jazz drummer. Her swing sounded fine, it was just her snare drum comping that didn't sound natural.
All about the 70s set up, that sound has to my ears always been the best
Agreed, I love that dry 70s sound
Watch the Sound City Studios Documentary and weep.
Steve Nemeth yeah man, seen it, awesome doc that hey
The 70’s setup sounds like the drums on a lot indie pop records
That's what I thought too. Sounds next to identical to the kit sounds I usually go for when recording that
very Real Estate
Great video, especially because the mics are called by type and not by pricerange. All this explained ánd well played in under 7 minutes!
They were going after Dreams by Fleetwood Mac... which also means Night Moves, among other things.
Indie pop loves Fleetwood Mac, and for good reason!
This should be 2 hours long.
5:20 I didn’t see the mics and I was like “huh, those mics are really cool, they look like lightbulbs”
They do look like lightbulbs
They WERE light bulbs!
@@DMSProduktions yeah, he knows.
@@lt-yx1hx Ok that's good, as long as he understood that's fine!
Me neither...you have to pause the video and try to spot the two room mics ;-)!
Absolutely love that 70s sound. Please keep up the incredible and informative content.
Black metal: smartphone in the middle of the room
also garage rock.
@tututuims ieijebdo LOL is right!
LOL
old desktop tape recorder
Damn hahahahahah
TH-cam is great. I have literally no idea what I am doing, now I can at least pretend like I do.
Props to Jessica --- seriously versatile drummer!
really appreciate that smooth 70s! i’ve always wanted to see how james murphy mics his drums because they’re so punchy and distinct and this is the closest i’ve heard to his sound
@@itsYarnimono overhead for sure
That rumors tone though 🤤❤️
This was great. I always enjoy hearing the Glyn Johns method.
Not gonna lie, the jam for the 70s one kinda reminded me of a combination of Rhiannon and Dreams by Fleetwood Mac
fleetwood mac is the sound of the 70's
Thank you for your honesty, Andrew.
same chord progression
Duhh!
@@markpeters2317 Warner Bros had a killer roster of artists in the 70s, for every genre. Fleetwood Mac, Rufus and Chaka, Doobie Bros, Graham Central Station, Funkadelic, Tower Of Power, Sly, Little Feat, young new signee Prince, Montrose...my god Van Halen was just around the corner. What a label!
Great all around, you two. Classic Rock and 70's sounded the best. But all-in-all, a great demo. Now let's talk about mic spacing!
Glyn Johns can sound very different, more like the others, if using condensors rather than ribbons, and cranking a nice saturating pre-amp. It depends what sound you are looking for. With ribbons it's quite a lo-fi sound, with large diagphragm condensors it's more the Bonham sound. With a big booming floor tom/kick sound. Then if you want a tighter more compact sound, Recorderman is similar but I think does tighten up the image. 70's did sound the best to me overall here. Easier to get a good mix with that very compact sound.
that snare for the smooth 70s sounds fantastic
love the 70s drum and modern rock. those two!
I'd like to try the jazz setup...on a doomy/Sabbathy track. Most of that early Bill Ward stuff actually had a jazz feel, after all.
Really you could use any setup for any genre if you wanted lol
yaoihunter well, TRUE, but some I imagine work better than others. I suppose, lol.
i always do planet caravan with the snare off because i don't have bongos or whatever
Mitch Mitchell had a Jazz sound too.
Great. I dislike how some people think they need to have the most clichéd drum sound for a certain genre.
amazing video! so much great information in such a short time - superb!
Thanks, I really appreciate for the tricks, because tomorrow I will starting a record session with my Yamaha stage custom!
LOVED IT! Hope we get more videos like this!
so helpful, thanks for this fantastic information!
nice drummer and nice video, loved it!!!
More Jessica. A great drummer and musician.
Killer drummer! And great video. Thanks.
Excelent content!!!
Thanks guys! This was a great lesson :)
This sounds great. I'd make the mix a just a little brighter tho. The snare and the hi hats were a little muffled imo
More reverb?
@@gloriboigaming7583 i thought about that after commenting too. A little bit of a bright room reverb would be perfect
Been watching quite a few Reverb videos, love all the female rockers. Can't wait to see what music will be like in 50 years with more representation.
You're acting like females are only just being involved with music when they have always been involved.
3:52 I've never seen anyone muffle a bass drum with a dog before.....hmm.......
EDIT: Phew, close call I'm glad you clarified! My dogs thank you. 4:21
Glyn Johns do not requires ribbons: can be condensers or even dynamics.
It's about the placement and there are different possinle variants.
Also the bass drum mic shouldn't be very close, but getting more of the kit sound while still focusing on the bass drum.
Great info!
Looks like 2 snare drums used? Were they a Ludwig Supra and a Ludwig Standard?
That seventies sound reminds of Fleetwood Mack! Great tut👍🏾
Please do a "how to sound like" for David Lovering of the Pixies!
What cymbals are those? They're perfect!!
I heard a little bit of " Dreams" by Fleetwood Mac! Very cool!
i never understood this - if measuring the difference from multiple mics to the snare is to avoid phasing issues, won't other things, like toms and cymbals be out of phase?
What drum kit are you guys using for this?? Very versatile
Awesome video, keep these coming
Question:
For the smooth 70s sound, are you eq-ing the bass drum at all? Also, what kind of head are you using?
Great video guys!
yeah digging that 70's sound one too. any more explanation on the overheads?
Such a helpful video!
No panning done with the Glyn Johns method huh? Nice one, Reverb. Big mixer guys!
Great video. Real question for me is, what are those mic stands with the right angle poles? I need some of those.
I think the 70s setup sounds more indie than the indie demonstration.
I'm trying to get a blend of that 70s sound and JD becks drum sounds
Examples: Classic rock 1:29, jazz 2:24, indie rock 3:27, 70s 4:31 & modern rock 6:01
I looooove this content
Wasn't the Glyn Johns technique 3 large diaphragm condensers one on the kick, one on the rack tom at the snare, and one across the floor tom into the snare?
Glyn Johns uses 4 mics, kick, snare, OH and side
Not sure the Shure KSM353 is for people "working on a tighter budget." Just sayin'.
This is a great material and good comparison between genres thank you!
I have been trying a similar approach for our jazz band rehearsals but for the condenser XY overhead I used Zoom H2n facing down on the snare. I noticed that it doesn't get much from the snare and the cymbals are too dominant... Any ideas?
What heads can I get to get that 70s snare sound??
I listen to jazz a lot, my constructive criticism is that i would want a lot more hi hat in the mix because really it is playing the role the snare does in most other music, the ride is floaty so the hi hat needs to be there to lock in the time, listen to art blakey and max roach if you havent
For the glyn John’s technique can condenser mics be used ?
Note that the tuning and how the drums are played are 95% of the whole thing. Mic placement and mic choice is a minimal factor. Even the drum set itself is a minimal factor. Tune tune tune to achieve the drums you're after.
unknown mortal orchestra drum sound vid please!
buy a tape machine
amazing =)
quick (honest) question: I notice there’s a wide range of motion in her playing. Is there a reason for it? I mean is there a reason to the rhyme?
She’s just hot.
Part of it could be "feeling the rhythm." If you keep your body moving, even to a point of exaggeration, you'll have a better time with staying on tempo and keeping dynamics/accents accurate and noticeable. But also, if you go to a concert and all the musicians are stiff as a board and expressionless, you might get bored. Maybe not you specifically, but definitely some audience members.
Nickle Piefy good point! Dance/body movement is a great way to keep better time
a really dry, but open sound. hmmm? jk, love these tutorials! keep up the great work
Do a metal version!
Damm you guys even Brough Kesha
dope
what are the tom mics?
Lol the 70s song was fleetwood mac
Glyn Johns uses 4 mics: kick, snare, OH and side
but what about room? what kind of room do you need for certain genre?
Damn that 70/s tone is creamy
bravo
Who does she play drums with, or what band? I am sooo impressed with her for many reasons; she does not rush drum fills, she hits the drums with enough ugh-mm-ff-pp that they sound great, she knows gear and what works for what genre, she has a great laugh, and is attractive. I know i know, that shouldn't matter, but let's be honest... in the music industry it likely does matter. thanks, Taylor Hal (brother of Jack Black and Mr. Shallow Hal) ; )
What about trap?
@Dali what about it?
S-A-M-P-L-E-S in post lol
Or buy a electronic drum kit, get some Roland 808 samples on it, at least on the kick drum and on the hi-hat, and yeah... there ya go.
There is no way to replicate the power of 808 kick in a regular drum kit, trap music is famous for that massive kick+sub so the best thing you can do is buy a electronic drum kit for this genre.
Trap drums are programmed, not played
@4:31
Those mics are good at social distancing
What about 80's?
digital drums with shitload of reverb of course
Roland or Boss DR660. bick - gonwnk gonk
We try not to talk about those.
It didn't matter, everyone was
snorting coke off the mixing board!
2 words: Gated Reverb
Y’all always leave hip hop off these lists
It varies cos of sampling. You're probably gonna want something like the 70s sound with a lot of compression
Hip hop drums are very diverse. You could use literally any of these depending on what you're going for.
@@joedoherty1062 I'm thinking hip hop where drum kits are a regular part of the sound eg. 90s soul or more contemporary stuff like Robert Glasper
@DadisDad there's plenty of live drums in hip hop
@@joewhalleyschannel even so, some info on getting an old school r&b sound a la Stax or Motown records would have been appreciated. It's pretty much the exact opposite of the tight dry '70s rock sound they showed. Even though I guess with the right room you could probably fake it with a Glyn Johns setup
Modern Rock sounded very 90s/2000s
Those look like t-shirts in the 70's kit. The drummer is far better than Jack White's sister
Sister? She's his ex-wife 👀
@@drummerdan95 Yes. But he refers to her as his sister now.
All good tried and true techniques, I rather experiment and stray from them to attempt to achieve originalitty, that is how Metallica's black album sound came about, or Deftones White Pony album or giong way back Led Zeppellin all using unconventional techniques. Today's recording are starting to sound the same and it is really boring not to mention that a lot of new musicians have very little talent and rely on quantizing and pitch correction a lot.
Now here you go again, you say
You want your freedom...
The tape measure🤦🏼♂️
sure.... with a 1333 euros microphone, it sounds better :(
Ribbon on the kick..... 4 bars in, dead mic.
Hipsters are stupid.
2:26 bruh """jazz"""
What were you expecting, Philly Joe Jones?
don't put non jazz drummers playing jazz drums, it sounds soo baaaddddd
Give her a break. Jazz is a very difficult genre and she did alright for not being a jazz drummer. Her swing sounded fine, it was just her snare drum comping that didn't sound natural.
Great drummer but she needs new pants.
Robot chops. No swing.
@@Granite165 She's playing swing music with no swing. What is she your sister or something? No need to get in your feelings Professor Hawking.
@Shockheadd45 Even when a drummer is messing about, "swing" us something you can't hide and can't fake and she ain't got it.
MATT FUCKIN JORDAN