I was the former Director of Education and Public Relations for "Save Ontario Shipwrecks" (SOS) established to study, protect and preserve the marine heritage of the Province of Ontario, Canada. SOS worked hand-in-hand with the Ontario Ministry of Citizenship and Culture, Submerged Cultural Resources division on several hundred Ontario shipwrecks and other submerged sites such as the Drowned Villages, hydro dams and early canal locks of Ingleside, Ontario submerged by the development of the St.Lawrence Seaway. Some members (including myself) of SOS worked also worked closely with Parks Canada Underwater Archaeological Unit under Robert Grenier, its chief, designed and taught non disturbance underwater archaeological courses and took similiar advanced underwater training with the Nautical Archaeological Society (NAS) and the National Association of Underwater Instructors (NAUI) for the Bermuda Underwater Club and several other underwater and marine heritage societies and maritime museums. SOS members guest lectured on shipwreck heritage in many underwater conventions and special scientific underwater events nationally and internationally.
For the "USA bashers" dissing the video for being USA centric, "only saving relics of "America's past"", etc, the video was produced by NOAA and concerns wreck preservation on the US side of the border. If Environment Canada has made a similar video I'm certain we would all love to see it...
While I agree with you, and recognize that there are 10,000 ships in those waters, this would have been an excellent opportunity to educate Americans about its nearest neighbour and most significant trading partner.
3:30 Yeah, you guys didnt win. Nor did we really. It was a stupid stalemate that ended in, effectivlely, a draw. Then again, the fact that we successfully repelled an invasion could technically mean we (Canadians) won, but I aint getting into anything that could rustle people. To put it this way, that was over 2 centuries ago. I love our brothers to the south.
Yes how silly to argue this. The war proved two things - the US could not conquer Canada and the British could not reconquer the US. This we have had a peaceful border for over 200 hundred years longer than any other two bordering countries in history because we were wise we enough to learn that lesson.
The boiler door was open to rake the burning coal out to douse it and attempt to keep the boilers from exploding when contact was made with cold water!
So the U.S. declared victory in the war of 1812. The borders remained the same, they were the invaders, no land was won or lost by either side. I guess victory meant something else in those days.
@@sheenaalexis8710 Well, not really. They were invaders brought to the Great Lakes by hitching a ride on freighters, and they're completely overwhelming the environment. They are in fact, the trespassers, only appearing here in 1988.
2 vessels see each other coming for several miles and still hit each other? Today thats an automatic manslaughter charge and a butt ton of money in fines and damages. That's just ridiculous....
While periodically stationed at Alpena, with 186th Fighter Interceptor wing just returned from Korea, our old bullet and flak riddled Sabers occasionally took a drink. A couple became forest 'Augers', and at least one flipped in the swamp at the end of the runway. That was just while I was there. That is one cold pond for surfing btw. :)
Um....... U.S. did not declare victory in the war of 1812, but it did strengthen borders........ For Upper Canada. The British North Americans (Canadians) and Natives, not only repelled an Invasion, but sacked Washington and set fire to the White House. Get that inta ya eh. factoid
@@gary11able your insult is even funnier coming from a pink "P" hat wearing coward who has other tell him how to think. move along dumbass, oh and your attempt at triggering was as much a failure as you are in real life
I can’t believe they saw each other six miles away..? I thought when hitting fog u reduced to a crawl and sound your horn regularly this was again very bad seamanship
Where's the proof glaciers carved out the lakes? Glaciers form in mountain valleys even if this area was covered in ice hundreds of feet thick thousands of years ago. Where is impetus for the motion to crarve out the great lakes? Gravity moves glaciers but are huge lakes created? Where is the mass of earth and rock moved away to form the great lakes?
@@slypen7450 wow, who would have thought two brain cells could combine to allow you to comment. Here's a tip "boy", go see a doctor, the talking to the dog gives a clue to your problem, being an idiot.
Davidski Hahaha! Not even! Trump supporters are very satisfied with the course of events. Its you socialists who are deranged and whining to the stratosphere as if that matters. Cry all you want sissy. You know who absorbs media bs without ever questioning it. SHEEP turn off the tv and learn to think for yourself and enjoy the next six years! Mid terms will be spectacular. Hahahaha!
Hahaha! At 13:46 the captain orders the vessel to turn to port but the graphic shows the vessel making a starboard turn. Who edits Nova? A lard assed lan lubbing knuckle headed historian. .
Traditionally orders and references to the helm were referred to the tiller and not to the rudder and that is the way it still is on most small sailboats. "Helm hard to starboard" means the tiller is to starboard which means the rudder is to port and the ship will be turning to port. Even after ships had steering wheels or other mechanical means of handling the tiller the orders and other references always referred to the tiller. To turn the tiller to starboard the wheel is turned to port so there is no contradiction. So in answer to your question, the people at Nova are not lard assed knuckle headed historians, they are people who know what the procedure and terminology was back then. The only knuckle head, or should I say fuck knuckle is you. Fucking moron, haven't you ever heard of Googling to check something before you comment and confirm what people already suspect, that you are an idiot?
Davidski Not to brag but I'm a retired Master upon Oceans. Old pic real name. Your mundane juvenile response is indicative of a petulent snotnosed child or did you suffer a lack of oxygen during birth.. Eff you's are not even a witty retort on a schoolyard. They are only an reflection of antagonistic low intelligence and show a distinct lack of control and an awareness of common cordial civility. They are usually displayed by the most craven of cowardly keyboard warriors. Thus far you've only proven an ability to run a mouth from a gutter and that bestows no special expertise in nautical matters or even in the dubious debate you've offered me. Perhaps your skill maneuvering floating toys in an enameled containment has inflated your ego and sense of proportion concerning actions of mariners on the Great Lakes. Take note. Tub Admirals should refain from dispensing nautical advice until they can find their ass with either hand in a heavy fog with or without a radar and from operating any kind of mechanical propulsion systems on open waters anywhere.Which is what this presentation is all about. My sincere apologies for rubbing your runny nose in that fact. However you'll be perfectly safe hurling your pathetic insults from a swingset, under your mother's supervision of course, provided you wear a diaper to contain the kind of duplicious stinking mess you've left here in comments. To conclude this voyage...if my jest of mistakes made by others unbalanced you that much then you should definitely consider guidance, not from Bowditch, but from professionals in the field of psychiatry and get control of your immature emotional state. The course you have plotted will only lead to being strapped to a bed receiving an infusion of meds. Now get lost SISSY!
Davidski Hahaha! Sucking is indicative of the left. Your side sucks at everything. Losing, common sense and decency, immigration, debating with facts and even the weather. Enjoy your shitty-pity party it's all you've got. Hahaha!
I don't get it. The point of archeology is to find out information previously unknown by means of digging artifacts out of the ground or sea/lake beds. All of these ships are less than 200 years old, many of the ship plans are available. What is there to learn here? Like the Titanic fever people have, there is nothing to learn here. We know all we need to about the very recent past, ships of this age are still in existence in museums, detailed plans are available.
A lot of expense for little benefit to the average US citizen. Could it be that their actually looking for a particular lost ship that was carrying something very valuable ??
Quit watching as soon as I saw it was a NOAA production. If NOAA has done the same thing for this “documentary” as they have for historical climate records it’s not worth watching.
I was the former Director of Education and Public Relations for "Save Ontario Shipwrecks" (SOS) established to study, protect and preserve the marine heritage of the Province of Ontario, Canada. SOS worked hand-in-hand with the Ontario Ministry of Citizenship and Culture, Submerged Cultural Resources division on several hundred Ontario shipwrecks and other submerged sites such as the Drowned Villages, hydro dams and early canal locks of Ingleside, Ontario submerged by the development of the St.Lawrence Seaway.
Some members (including myself) of SOS worked also worked closely with Parks Canada Underwater Archaeological Unit under Robert Grenier, its chief, designed and taught non disturbance underwater archaeological courses and took similiar advanced underwater training with the Nautical Archaeological Society (NAS) and the National Association of Underwater Instructors (NAUI) for the Bermuda Underwater Club and several other underwater and marine heritage societies and maritime museums.
SOS members guest lectured on shipwreck heritage in many underwater conventions and special scientific underwater events nationally and internationally.
Wow! Very interesting.
I'm glad Bob Ballard is the one to help find lost ships. He is the best!
Ballard was below deck sleeping when the crew came across the Titanic.
Glad he helped though ?
Thanks for the comments and it's good to know there's more than one Thunder Bay!
Intense! Natural disasters are crazy. Everyone I see floors me. It's been my favorite focus to make documentaries on for awhile now.
The Thunder Bay featured in this documentary is off of Lake Huron and located near Alpena, Michigan.
Pretty Cool!
About 600 Km SE of Thunder Bay Ontario
This helped peek my interest for Great Lake wreck
The confusion between Thunder Bay Michigan and Thunder bay Ontario goes on and on!
For the "USA bashers" dissing the video for being USA centric, "only saving relics of "America's past"", etc, the video was produced by NOAA and concerns wreck preservation on the US side of the border. If Environment Canada has made a similar video I'm certain we would all love to see it...
While I agree with you, and recognize that there are 10,000 ships in those waters, this would have been an excellent opportunity to educate Americans about its nearest neighbour and most significant trading partner.
@@ptanyuh yeah but the video wasnt about Canada
@@Snuffaluffagis
...yeah The US is now one big shipwreck
@@PeterWalkerHP16c and all those
sailors are at your moms house
@@PeterWalkerHP16c and your mom services all those "ship wrecked" sailors.
I have dove about 10 of the wrecks listed on the ending credits. Everyone was a fantastic experience.
Never knew that the water was so clear and pretty in the lakes.
3:30 Yeah, you guys didnt win. Nor did we really. It was a stupid stalemate that ended in, effectivlely, a draw. Then again, the fact that we successfully repelled an invasion could technically mean we (Canadians) won, but I aint getting into anything that could rustle people. To put it this way, that was over 2 centuries ago. I love our brothers to the south.
Yes how silly to argue this. The war proved two things - the US could not conquer Canada and the British could not reconquer the US. This we have had a peaceful border for over 200 hundred years longer than any other two bordering countries in history because we were wise we enough to learn that lesson.
We would spank that as s and take that joke called canada.
@@erichallford8513 only joke we see here is you...learn to spell.
@@sheenaalexis8710 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lake Superior has many such wrecks, there is a preserved area near Munising, Michigan.
Pairing the title screen with that upbeat music... there's some serious "It's a tragedy! Yaaaay!" vibes going on there.
and let us not forget Lake Superior, shared by Canada & the USA....I have red the soft bound books by Fred Stonehouse.
granskare .....it’s read
How utterly appalling for the crew and passengers to know that they're on a sinking vessel with no other vessels around to effect a rescue!
C. Patrick Labadie. You are mentioned by Frederick Stonehouse, in his Shipwrecks of Isle Royale.
Those seabird sound effects kept making me think there was a cat meowing outside my window. Sounds so much like those I see around here.
what was the original air date, 1995?
The boiler door was open to rake the burning coal out to douse it and attempt to keep the boilers from exploding when contact was made with cold water!
So the U.S. declared victory in the war of 1812. The borders remained the same, they were the invaders, no land was won or lost by either side. I guess victory meant something else in those days.
America always wins in America lol
@@sheenaalexis8710 ain’t that the truth...😂
very interesting
If we don't figure out what to do about those zebra mussels, there just won't be any more wrecks before long.
What to do about them? Lol
Um it's kinda their home we are the trespassers human.
@@sheenaalexis8710 Well, not really. They were invaders brought to the Great Lakes by hitching a ride on freighters, and they're completely overwhelming the environment. They are in fact, the trespassers, only appearing here in 1988.
@@johnstevenson9956 if that's true I apologize I had no idea they weren't naturally there. I'm glad I learned something new then lol
@@sheenaalexis8710 There aren't any ifs about it because it's fact and has been for years.
i see the failure to protect the lakes. the zebras and more like em
The Scapa Flow.
2 vessels see each other coming for several miles and still hit each other? Today thats an automatic manslaughter charge and a butt ton of money in fines and damages. That's just ridiculous....
+Owen Mitchell it takes a lot of nautical miles to veer off each others path i think they must have tried
Have many aircraft wrecks been found in the Thunder Bay National Marine Sanctuary?
While periodically stationed at Alpena, with 186th Fighter Interceptor wing just returned from Korea, our old bullet and flak riddled Sabers occasionally took a drink. A couple became forest 'Augers', and at least one flipped in the swamp at the end of the runway. That was just while I was there. That is one cold pond for surfing btw. :)
Um....... U.S. did not declare victory in the war of 1812, but it did strengthen borders........ For Upper Canada.
The British North Americans (Canadians) and Natives, not only repelled an Invasion,
but sacked Washington and set fire to the White House.
Get that inta ya eh.
factoid
I think y'all should try it again eh lol. Big as s joke country.
The only good thing y'all have is The trailer park boys lol
coming from the retards that voted trudeau as your leader or trueduhh as everyone else knows that cumstain
@@Snuffaluffagis LOL. that's funny coming from Knuckle draggers who voted that fat orange bunker baby into the WH.
@@gary11able your insult is even funnier coming from a pink "P" hat wearing coward who has other tell him how to think. move along dumbass, oh and your attempt at triggering was as much a failure as you are in real life
Whoop!
why do they say waters or seas
I can’t believe they saw each other six miles away..? I thought when hitting fog u reduced to a crawl and sound your horn regularly this was again very bad seamanship
It is amazing to me that anal-born scavengers haven't stolen everything they could get their hands on from these wrecks.
Where's the proof glaciers carved out the lakes? Glaciers form in mountain valleys even if this area was covered in ice hundreds of feet thick thousands of years ago. Where is impetus for the motion to crarve out the great lakes? Gravity moves glaciers but are huge lakes created? Where is the mass of earth and rock moved away to form the great lakes?
Eroded to sand and soil sediments, fuck you are stupid.
@@slypen7450 wow, who would have thought two brain cells could combine to allow you to comment. Here's a tip "boy", go see a doctor, the talking to the dog gives a clue to your problem, being an idiot.
@@slypen7450 oh and by the way, I'd love to have some face time with you, you sound like an angry white Trump supporter.
Lastly I promise, but since when is geology senseless or lame conjecture? Again proving you're an idiot.
Davidski
Hahaha! Not even! Trump supporters are very satisfied with the course of events. Its you socialists who are deranged and whining to the stratosphere as if that matters. Cry all you want sissy. You know who absorbs media bs without ever questioning it. SHEEP turn off the tv and learn to think for yourself and enjoy the next six years! Mid terms will be spectacular. Hahahaha!
Hahaha! At 13:46 the captain orders the vessel to turn to port but the graphic shows the vessel making a starboard turn. Who edits Nova? A lard assed lan lubbing knuckle headed historian. .
Traditionally orders and references to the helm were referred to the tiller and not to the rudder and that is the way it still is on most small sailboats. "Helm hard to starboard" means the tiller is to starboard which means the rudder is to port and the ship will be turning to port. Even after ships had steering wheels or other mechanical means of handling the tiller the orders and other references always referred to the tiller. To turn the tiller to starboard the wheel is turned to port so there is no contradiction. So in answer to your question, the people at Nova are not lard assed knuckle headed historians, they are people who know what the procedure and terminology was back then. The only knuckle head, or should I say fuck knuckle is you. Fucking moron, haven't you ever heard of Googling to check something before you comment and confirm what people already suspect, that you are an idiot?
Davidski
Not to brag but I'm a retired Master upon Oceans. Old pic real name. Your mundane juvenile response is indicative of a petulent snotnosed child or did you suffer a lack of oxygen during birth.. Eff you's are not even a witty retort on a schoolyard. They are only an reflection of antagonistic low intelligence and show a distinct lack of control and an awareness of common cordial civility. They are usually displayed by the most craven of cowardly keyboard warriors. Thus far you've only proven an ability to run a mouth from a gutter and that bestows no special expertise in nautical matters or even in the dubious debate you've offered me. Perhaps your skill maneuvering floating toys in an enameled containment has inflated your ego and sense of proportion concerning actions of mariners on the Great Lakes. Take note.
Tub Admirals should refain from dispensing nautical advice until they can find their ass with either hand in a heavy fog with or without a radar and from operating any kind of mechanical propulsion systems on open waters anywhere.Which is what this presentation is all about. My sincere apologies for rubbing your runny nose in that fact. However you'll be perfectly safe hurling your pathetic insults from a swingset, under your mother's supervision of course, provided you wear a diaper to contain the kind of duplicious stinking mess you've left here in comments.
To conclude this voyage...if my jest of mistakes made by others unbalanced you that much then you should definitely consider guidance, not from Bowditch, but from professionals in the field of psychiatry and get control of your immature emotional state. The course you have plotted will only lead to being strapped to a bed receiving an infusion of meds. Now get lost SISSY!
Davidski
Hahaha! Sucking is indicative of the left. Your side sucks at everything. Losing, common sense and decency, immigration, debating with facts and even the weather. Enjoy your shitty-pity party it's all you've got. Hahaha!
sly pen 😆👍
I don't get it. The point of archeology is to find out information previously unknown by means of digging artifacts out of the ground or sea/lake beds.
All of these ships are less than 200 years old, many of the ship plans are available. What is there to learn here? Like the Titanic fever people have, there is nothing to learn here. We know all we need to about the very recent past, ships of this age are still in existence in museums, detailed plans are available.
It puts us in touch with the past something solid we can hold in our hands it's like a connection
A lot of expense for little benefit to the average US citizen. Could it be that their actually looking for a particular lost ship that was carrying something very valuable ??
Thunder Bay isn't on Lake Huron, chum. It's on the north shore of Lake Superior.
There is more than one thunder bay
TRUMP 2020 end all of these endless wars 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
2021 here. How'd that work out?
Rump to prison
Quit watching as soon as I saw it was a NOAA production. If NOAA has done the same thing for this “documentary” as they have for historical climate records it’s not worth watching.
Ha! You've got that right. No gov agency can bet trusted; they are ALL anti- America, anti- American and anti- Constitution.