Crazy idea for people - don’t change peoples race/ ethnicity/ nationality to suit what’s popular. Especially historical figures, but even mythological stories of cultural origin, etc. If you want AA stories WRITE THEM! Why accept this constant half assed virtue signalling from billion dollar production companies who are willing to capitalise off of your political ideals while not being willing to put any effort into making an actual story that might be relevant to that storyline. They’re cowering from any risk of reward by not making anything original that might actually make a statement about the races they’re attempting to virtue signal by race-swapping them.
But Poles will keep on buying that rubbish. When Jon Stewart insulted John Paul II in the 90s, the Polish gov threatened to kick CNN out of Poland. John Stewart turned his BS down. His anti-Polish side persist though. He's a slime ball.
Some people want to talk about famous woman's achievements to look feminist, but then only call her by her husband's name and erase her nationality in favour of his nationality. How curious.
Cause "Eastern Europeans are not real Europeans". As Karolina said, we're always treated as less-than. Mainly because if anyone from our countries achieve anything they're seen by the Westerners as almost black sheep of their nations, rather than respresentatives
As an Indian, I am pleased to say we learnt she was Polish in our school! I cannot imagine how outraged we would be if the English claimed our mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan because he spent his major working years there. His heart was always back home. Also the number of people who pronounce his name wrong... -_-
I mean it’s very different though. The british colonized India. France was a friendly country to Poland. She voluntarily chose to become french, change her name to a french name, marry a french guy. Does she have polish heritage? Yes and that should not be denied? Should she be reduced to « being polish » that would be a strange oversimplification of the truth for nationalistic purposes
@@EllieInTheRain ok. If you really need a historical figure to be polish and it makes you more able to cope with your modern 21st century life. Then think that way. But it doesn’t change that in historical reality, while being polish was only a part of her identity and she integrated into another country as well. Individuals and history are more complicated than simple nationalistic narratives
Poles are pissed off about worthless nationalist stuff but are not pissed off about the influence of catholic church and anti women policies of the governments.
@@nicenightmare2644 are the abortion bans repelled? Have people responsible been punished? Protests that are neitger disruptive nor punishing at the Electoral Booth are inconsequential. But this is the social media effect. People are more happy to argue about Hollywood ignorance and stupid ethnic pride in accomplishments of other individuals rather than tangible materialistic and political issues.
@@kasiula7297 so have the abortion bans been abolished? Have the politicians responsible for these inhumane laws been sent to prison? Was the catholic church removed from influence?
I might or might not have shouted "SHE WAS POLISH SHE MARRIED A FRENCHMAN" in the theater. I didn't even realize until it came out my mouth lol 😅 I'm glad it's being talked about and my female history nerd self feels vindicated after making a fool of myself in a US theater 🤣
I call that "using my Karen abilities for good". I live in Atlanta and it has helped disarm a few tense situations in public when no one else feels safe to speak up.
And yet people would probably argue with that! Not saying that everyone but it is strange that when its the other way around we are just "overreacting" like sure lie to yourself bro 😂
Its kinda different since women take mens last name after mariage, altho your husband doesnt change her genepole and culture she was living in her entire life. Meaning she is polish
@@enravotaboyadjiev7466 alr, google traitè de radioactivitè. Who wrote it? Madame P. Curie. Google Pierre Curie biography book. Who wrote it? Marie Curie. Google la radiologie et la guerre. Who wrote it? Madame Pierre Curie. You still don't trust me?
That really hit home. I’m Bosnian but was born and raised in Switzerland. Growing up, I had a Bosnian accent and was 'othered' by some Swiss people-some even tried to convert me to Christianity, though I was raised Muslim (I’m not religious anymore). Now, as an adult, those same people call me 'Swiss' because of my success and loss of accent. I tell them I’m proud to be Swiss but also proud of my Bosnian roots. When they insist I’m 100% Swiss, I remind them I can never be, and I honor my family’s survival of the Srebrenica massacre.
that's a pity you aren't religious anymore my condolences tradition is important even if you don't truly believe Swiss are a mix, except the state and isolation together nothing in common
Being born and raised there, they’re kind of right. I also think they’re trying to be inclusive. Cause the opposite is way worse.. You are 100% of nationality wise, cause you weren’t born somewhere else. Your heritage is a slightly different matter. Personally as an American, I think too many people put too much emphasis on their heritage. And are way too proud about places they’ve often never been and don’t know. It’s especially laughable when that place drive them out or was just awful to the point of their parents wanting to leave.
@@bannedmann4469 I agree with you, though maybe it's because I'm American too. I see a lot of people who need to feel connected to an identity / heritage of some kind, and I don't (nor my siblings, though our mum always tried telling us "you're Australian too!!" - we're dual nationals, technically, but we were born and raised in the US. Aside from an appreciation of Violet Crumble it doesn't affect me much I'm afraid). And as for Americans being obsessed with their heritage, I live in Ireland and lemme tell you how exactly unimpressed they are with Americans coming over and loudly saying I'M IRISH. They're called Plastic Paddies and there's even a video on youtube of an older Irish gentleman getting annoyed at the Americans coming over (he does a pretty good American accent too!!). Once saw a comment online of an American man who was mortally offended after going to Poland and not a single person was interested / impressed by the fact that he had some Polish heritage. As though they were supposed to roll out the red carpet for him and fall to their knees in amazement that someone with a bit of Polish in them deigned to visit them from America...? From media I've learned there can be a bit of a struggle for Asian Americans as they struggle to figure out what that means to them / find a way to be both Asian and American, and for anyone struggling I feel sorry for them and hope they sort it out but I just feel lucky I guess that I'm not bothered by such things. tbh I'd really rather all nationalism / patriotism were to die down sooner than soon and instead everyone sees themselves more as global citizens as we start to overcome our tribalistic instincts but that's impossible, sadly.
Names are important and so is heritage! My grandma is indigenous Okinawan (Uchinaanchu), and she remembers how horrible it was being a civilian there during WWII and the horrible things that the Japanese did. When I was really little, she told me, "Never let anyone call you Japanese. You are Okinawan." I feel tremendous pride in my heritage, and I can only imagine how that would be amplified by growing up there like Marie did in Poland.
Your comment makes me happy as a Pole who is very interested in history of Okinawa. It frustrates me to no end that almost nobody acknowledges that Okinawa is occupied land just like Hawaii is. And it was occupied by BOTH Japanese and Americans.
I'm painfully reminded of how the Polish mathematicians who broke the enigma cypher never get mentioned in any films about Bletchley Park. Not like that was a useful contribution, da?
The chief physicist who co-invented the hydrogen bomb was also Polish and studied in Lwow. And without Czochralski who invented the main method of silicon wafer production, we would not have modern electronics. We'd be sitting on vacuum tubes.
@Adelina-293 I knew about the Polish mathematicians and it was from one documentary about Bletchley Park, but I cannot remember which one. I saw it within the last three years but it was an older documentary, and that's the extent of my memory about it. Their contributions haven't been erased completely, but I agree, they're usually overlooked.
@@agcons There were many Polish mathematicians. Many are world famous and have left discoveries and so on. You do know about the Polish and reverse Polish notations? You can check wikipedia for the category of Polish mathematicians, Poland was a trend setter in maths in the early 20th century and even before.
I don't get the argument that "she can't be Polish, Poland didn't exist back then". Well, Finland belonged to Sweden for about 500 years but that doesn't make Finnish people at that time Swedish. They were still Finns.
In Ukraine, when we learn about her at school, we learn her name as Marie Sklodowska-Curie. And every time she comes up, I pronounce her name exactly like that in English, and usually get a lot of questions from foreigners. I don’t mind explaining. As someone from a culture that has been oppressed for centuries, I can completely understand why Polish people are pissed. I am pissed when every Ukrainian artist, writer, scientist is called russian.
I literally got into an argument with my 8th grade French teacher who insisted that Marie Curie was French. Despite the super Italian name, I’m half Polish and have family who still lives in Wroclaw. Needless to say, I won the argument.
@@shylockwesker5530 Yes! Entirely possible. My Dad has a reproduction hanging in the house. I haven’t been to Krakow yet, but want to go and visit one day. We claim her, but don’t know the exact lineage. She had 8 brothers and the family is all from the same part of Italy that my family is from, so I’ll take it!
It really touched me when you mentioned polish "scientists who never where" so to say. My grandma was a very talented person with an extraordinary analytical mind. Despite missing out on half of her education due to WWII she graduated high school with perfect scores, aced uni entry exam and was about to study chemistry in Poznań. It was her great passion. Tragically, that June bloody riots took place in Poznań and her parents strongly persuaded her away from higher education. She ended up working as an accountant in a huge factory, and was able to do complex calculations in a blink of an eye. Sadly she suffered an abusive marriage which broke her spirit quite a bit. I always wondered who would she be if communists didn't shoot that June in Poznań.
“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” (J. Gould) I think about this quote quite often.
Oh what a story, my grandma was similar! She was such a strong, confident and smart lady. She missed two school grades during the war but she graduated school at 17 and then studied enginnering at a university nearby. She graduated in 1951 and I often think about what those times must've been like. A young woman in Poland five years after the end of war! The poor country was so far behind the rest of the world, rebuilding itself and the Russians were already controlling everything. Anyway, she had a good stable job until retirement and was a respected engineer. She taught herself how to use a computer and the internet sometime around 2010 and I wrote e-mails to her until her death last year. Forever my inspiration.
my maternal grandmother was a biochemist when she still lived in poland during the soviet era, i’m sure it wasn’t easy as university access wasn’t as good as over in moscow or st petersburg. she had the credentials and experience but it didn’t stick socially and economically when she immigrated to Canada with my mom during the 70’s, she became a nursing assistant instead at an elderly care facility. i relate to the quote the first reply recited too, i’m finally in university studying biology after thinking i was gonna become a high school dropout because of my chronic illness and learning disorders. i thought i was too stupid for the sciences because of how horribly it was taught to me during middle school, i genuinely was about to cry when my prof said he saw potential in me and that science is supposed to be meant for everyone no matter where they’re at. i was supposed to graduate high school this year with my post secondary diploma but post viral chronic illness severely offset that goal projection and my schools new admin fumbled the diploma and re enrolment for this year so i never got my ceremony. i’m now going to enroll in environmental sciences to study freshwater fish disease and parasites since the impact salmon farming has had on our endemic populations in western canada has been devastating, my biggest dream as a little kid was becoming a marine biologist maybe i’ll be the first to genetically map white sturgeon iridovirus.
I completely understand and relate to the anger from Poles in this situation. It’s so frustrating when the only representation the world has of you is a gross stereotype, and then when you do have a positive figure from your country/culture, that figure is ignored or represented inaccurately. I’m Colombian, and I can tell you how much relief I felt when Encanto came out. For once, we were not represented as savage criminals, cartels, or only briefly mentioned in reference to coffee or cocaine. Yet, still, media cannot seem to understand it is spelt Colombia and not “Columbia,” but at least Encanto was some improvement. So, no, this is not an overreaction. The Poles deserve accurate representation. We will not tolerate the erasure of Maria Skłodowska-Curie’s *Polish* identity.
Well said. 8-) Also, though I'm European and haven't visited South America, I've actually never had a bad impression of Colombia, despite some of its troubled history and present. What I think of when someone says "Colombia" is "people with ancestry from all over the world" and "lots of talented and interesting musicians and bands".
I'm Mexican (born and raised in México), but I feel ya. It also makes my blood boil whenever I see people spelling "Columbia" instead of Colombia and I'm that annoying person correcting them in the comments lol.
@user-is7xs1mr9y i just checked to make sure and in polish Colombia is called "Kolumbia" which I'm guessing wouldn't be appreciated? Could you tell me if just the spelling is an issue here or is the reason more political?
Thank you for your support ❤ Encanto was a gem. I would love to see a Disney movie portraying Slavic culture. I’m afraid that’s not in the books for us though 😅 One can dream.
I'm not Polish and I also think that Maria being Polish is common knowledge. I was so suprised when I saw the movie. Its also a very easily fact that can be checked on a 2 min Google search, so it getting to the final cut of the movie is suprising, and worrying. This is how easily misinformation can spread.
Saying that she if French is not misinformation. The fact that this can be easily checked means that any person who cares about her enough would know that she's Polish. If anything, this means that you should be mad over the fact that people don't care about her in general instead of thinking that her Polish identity is being targeted.
To be honest, it’s not only about Maria Skłodowska being Polish. It’s about her agency as a woman. Why are we insisting on using her husband’s name? She kept her last name, because she wanted people to know it. And she wanted to keep her identity and agency through that. I remember that she even wanted to keep that name for people to know that she is Polish. Even if she wasn’t one of the most successful women in history, why are we taking this agency from her?
Acctually a lot of polish female scientist do that to these days Im a chemist too and almost all my teachers were hyphenated I asked once an one of them told me that they write articles and other papers when they were still a student (in poland you have to write in order to stay employed at uni) and they want to be recognized for all of their work even after marriage
My partner's Dutch and he just doesn't get why it's so important for me to be very clear I am Latvian and not Dutch (when we travel, people ask where we're from and he'd just say the Netherlands because it's easier even though I have never been there and we live in Latvia). The rest of the world doesn't understand what it means for someone to try to erase your country, your traditions, your language - the flag was even illegal! Proud of Polish people holding their ground, you inspire us to stand ours too.
@UneEtincelleNocturne as I said, I don't think someone who didn't grow up in Eastern Europe or other oppressed culture can really get it. I don't think people are by default bad because they just don't get it. Eg, I don't think I will ever truly get what it is like to experience racism as a black person in America, but it doesn't mean that it makes me a bad person. I just don't get it like someone who lived it. But I'm open to listening, and so is he, so that's a good enough start for me.
@@magicalspacegiraffe We're not talking about some intangible life experience that people can "get" or "not get". We're taking about facts here - only one of you is Dutch, only one of you has ever even been there, and neither of you currently live there. And yet he still insists on introducing you both as being and/or coming from there. Don't you think this is disrespectful?
@UneEtincelleNocturne He did it without knowing my thoughts, and I brought it up afterwards. He really doesn't get why do I care what other people know, people are just doing a smalltalk and it's not like they actually care, probably won't remember the conversation - it's just not important to go in details with passerbys for him. But since it really doesn't matter to him he said he will try out saying we're Latvian on the next trip. Sure, if he keeps it up when I have clarified I do care then I'll agree that's f-ed up, but I really don't see a Western European understanding it. I've had Danish people calling me Russian specifically because I'm from Eastern Europe and a whole party laughing like it's the most intelligent social commentary. There's a difference between not getting it and being respectful and not getting it and being cruel.
As a French-Polish woman, let me reassure you. The French-Polish community's got everyone's back. Maria, Chopin, Kopernik. The people WILL ALWAYS KNOW. We can't help it. Only one we've collectively, French and Poles, agreed to let go is Polański. Dude's stateless now.
I honestly didn’t even know Marie Skłodowska-Curie was Polish until she came up in conversation with me and my Polish partner recently, and I was confused at hearing her name hyphenated because I’d literally never heard it any way other than “Marie Crurie” before- it is a failure of education! Thank you for making this video with more information, I like trying to learn as much as I can about my partner’s culture, and it’s really important we don’t let it be forgotten. Hopefully it will help other people become more informed too! :)
it's not failure , this is just ,,erase " of Polish persons from history ( the same case is with 303 squadron and remove Polish from mentioning from books or movies ! , literally : "winners write history" this is why in other countries Maria słodowska currie have removed Skłodowska from her name , or other important persons
@@BlackDragon95912 I wouldn't go as far with it. Multibillion media production corporations are just ignorant and these details are least things to care. First example that comes to my mind is the latest controversy Assassin's Creed which was so embarrassing for Ubisoft they didn't even show up with it in recent Tokyo Game Show. The one thing alarming is the majority of wiki pages insist on omitting Maria's maiden's name in the title, because "she known simply as" as it is a nickname.
We learnt the name Marie Curie only but we also learnt that she was Polish. No one in India thinks she is French bcz our Middle school textbooks said she was from Poland.
The disrespect to Polish language is so real. I’m having a dinner for Kazimierz Pułaski Memorial Day this Friday and you would think I was spitting in people’s faces the way they react to me bothering to pronounce his name instead of saying Casimir Pulaski. Like babes, we’re literally celebrating this Polish man??? You’re gonna hear some Polish words.
Yo this is so real? I got those reactions a lot growing up in the US cause i wanted to like.. pronounce words and NAMES from other languages correctly and people got upset with me cause they'd think i was trying to be better than them or pretentious and it's like "nah dude i just... like languages."
Technically, she was always Marie Skłodowska because French civil law does not allow name changes with very restricted exceptions, especially for family names, a rule that has been there since the French Revolution. But informally, married women are always called by their husband's family name; that is why "Madame Curie" stuck to this day.
Fundamentally it's about *respecting* Marie Skłodowska-Curie as a woman. She CHOSE to hyphenate her name, and to ignore that is sexist and anti-feminist, and a disservice to her memory. I think a lot of it is also tied to the disrespect to slavic languages/last names, where people dont even want to bother to pronounce them, so it's easier to phase it out. Infuriating.
Bruh, are you seriously calling someone who doesn't bother to look up someone's 3 names and just remember the most common misogynist? What next? Not remember the date a woman died 400 hundred years ago will become a crime against all women? Not to mention that following your same logic, not remembering every name an important male person has would be a disservice to all men
@@dontmindmefangirling3123 this "most common" is coming from misogyny and xenophobia. It's not that hard to try to respect someone about who your talking about, really
Yes, it's easier to say "Curie", unfortunately:(. We Polish people know that Polish is hard but we would really appreciate it if someone said her Polish surname
@@dontmindmefangirling3123 You cannot pick and choose what part of someone's name is easiest for you and ignore the rest, it's disrespectful on a base level regardless. Yes it would still be bad if it happened to a male scientist, just more rooted in xenophobia rather than potentially gender discrimination. Maria had to fight so hard to be distinct from her husband, and your reason for ignoring her name is "it's hard"? For who? Mostly just English speakers. The world does not revolve around English speakers though, and even when English is hard for us non- English speakers, we don't just avoid using it. It's a stupid double standard based on laziness.
I'm Brazilian and had a presentation on Maria in high school. The way I explained to my classmates why its important to pronounce her name right was a careful mix of "mispronouncing stuff because you're lazy is USA behavior" and "remember when foreigners kept calling Giselle Bündchen 'gissel'? Or when they say coxinha like coccyx-in-hah?". It worked perfectly. The last straw was saying "imagine if people finally accept that Santos Dumont invented the airplane but everyone starts calling him only by Dumont and claiming he was french" which caused a surge of patriotic rage usually reserved for the World Cup or the Olympics
Well maybe I'm wrongly informed but didn't both of them (Dostoevsky and Tchaikovsky) had polish ancestry? Just basing on the end of their surnames (yes I'm aware Dostoevsky was polonophobe)
Czech neighbour here. I see your point so much. We share similar historical cultural aspects, such as oppression of big nations (such as Russia) and we Czechs are also sensitive about other people not knowing that things or people are "ours". In school they teach us to pride ourselves over our inventors such as Mendel (genetic laws), Wichterle (contact lenses), Holý (research important for HIV therapy)... or artists (Dvořák, Smetana, Janáček, Mucha, Kafka, Forman, Kundera...) or sportsman (Zátopek, Navrátilová, Jágr...) or politicians (Havel). Or the fact, that the all-world known word "robot" was also invented and firstly used in Czech literature by brothers Josef and Karel Čapek. Similar situation as you describe with Marie Curie Sklodowska (which we Czechs usually know was Polish, because we are so close to you :)), we experience with Kafka, Mendel, Mahler, Rilke, Freud, Porsche or others who are usually considered to be German or Austrian because we were historically part of the Austrian-Hungarian monarchy and the German influence is also very present in our colloquial language. Thank you for the video, it could be enlightening to the people across the seas. :)
As an American who went through primary school back in the 70s-80s, I was taught she was French. 😮 I’m so glad you did this video. She should be remembered correctly 🙏
I'm a French teacher, and whenever she comes up in class, I always remind my students that she was originally from Poland and use her full name. Now it's funny, because kids who are already struggling to say French words really don't like me making them say "Skłodowska" too. 🤣
To be honest, some Polish people struggle with this name as well. I have heard about 'Słodowska' or 'Składkowska'😂😂😂 probably bc 'skłod' doesn't sound like any of modern polish words. Fun fact it resembles the 'squat' word more than any word in nowadays Polish
@@Awanturyna LMAO🤣 This doesn't seem to be common tho, I've been to Poland and encountered a lot of poles in general since I'm a curist, and I never heard anyone who's like that
I didn't know she was Polish, I was taught she was French. Definitely going to make sure my kids are taught better. Thank you for this video and the education!
That's unfortunately part of the active erasure of Polish culture and people around the world. I'm glad you're willing to learn and fight against it. We appreciate you!
Bruh. It took your video for me to make the connection between Maria naming Polonium and Poland. Everything you said really highlights how much Maria loved her homeland and valued her Polish identity. As an aside, it's cool that Pierre was willing to move to Poland with her and get another job. We love a good power couple.
@@senna8829 That only makes me sound dumber, because my native language is a romance language :) But I'm not referring to the Polonium-Poland etymology, but more so the significance of Maria, a pole, doing so.
As a Lithuanian history student currently living abroad, I can relate to this through and through. Thank you for your wonderful channel, I really enjoy it!
Firstly it is extremely funny when someone call woman feminist icon but at the same time use only surename and nationality of her husband lol. When she herself wanted to have double surename on her second Noble prize. Well that's what happened when ignorant people try to flex knowledge. It becomes good joke.
And it's funny that you only care about separating her from her husband instead of actually caring about what she wants. She stopped using Skłodowska to fully honor Pierre Curie in her name. She didn't want her maiden name to be weaponized against him.
LMAO do you really think Poles are like "oh no, this brilliant woman's identity is being erased, we must do something!" They just want to take credit for her accomplishments. Which is exceptionally ironic, since she would have spent her life tutoring high school girls, if she stayed in Poland.
@@TapOnX you do realise that in that timeframe poland wasn't an independent state and had miniscule control over its own education system, right? if anything, air that out with russia.
Because they had to fight tooth and nail to preserve their cultural identity and national heritage 😭 Of course it's a big deal. Also Maria herself was a fervent patriot
We are pressed about it, because Maria would be pressed about it too. Simple. Thank you, Karolina, for saying it so eloqently and using your, quite large, platform for raising awareness about Polish history and culture.
the other day i had to give an example of passive voice to my students (i'm an ESL teacher in argentina) and went with "radiation was discovered by MARIA SKŁODOWSKA curie" and i could feel karolina's soul possessing me and cheering 🎉🎉
As a Ukrainian with years of culture erasure by russians I FELT this video. I literally teared up when it was said that Maria Skłodowska-Curie named Polonium after Poland.
@@antonyreyn it was one of the most democratic countries of its time, 30% of the population could vote on the next king. It was also VERY multicultural with people escaping ethnic persecusion from the whole Europe. As always, germany and russia destroyed it.
@@aurilightsong6330You see, if you look at it this way, then she was never Polish, because Poland wasn't a country at the time. Warsaw (where she was born) was ruled by the Russian Empire. It seems a bit silly to equate identity with citizenship, doesn't it?
Imo identity defines a person far more than a citizenship. Did all the countries forced to become a part of Soviet Russia suddenly become russian? No, certainly not. Your roots and the roots of the place you come from stays with you. History doesnt disappear just because a flag has changed, it takes generations for such things to change on individual level
im not polish, but i get the anger erasing someone's history is never okay, even if its such a simple thing as "saying they're from another country" she's polish, lived in france, was still polish - its that easy
@@KateeAngel Sure. But at least “British” is a more general term. Often the Celtic people under British rule are merely called “English.” Thus, the term “English scientists” is applied to Irish, Scottish,or Welsh scientists.
If Marie Curie is French, then everyone who has ever studied abroad is suddenly from that country and all ties to their homeland are cut. Like, it just doesn’t make sense
I have yet to see anyone who calls her fully French. If someone calls her something like German-French then sure rage on that but just calling her French doesn't mean that it's calling her fully French or anything. Besides, it's not like most Polish people call her Polish-French or anything like that...
To put it in some perspective how much Polish people actually care and know about Maria - I literally had a book, aimed for children, entirely about her life and achievements. I got it when I was like, 9 years old - And I loved that book. I read it several times. Similar with Fryderyk Chopin. When I was older and realised people treat these two as if they were French, I was flabbergasted.
@@KatechivonRuskamafia yea bc his father was french, it wasnt cultural or identity just genetics, he grow up in poland, and he loved poland so much most of his works were dedicated to them, he had his heart burried in poland as thats were it belonged
As a Ukrainian, I am always amazed at how similar many historical beats of our countries are. Just in this video, I know this so well: trying to uphold national identity under occupation, being a complete menace to the occupiers, fighting attempts to erase our culture, -triple all of this if russians are involved- , and subsequently explaining to the whole world that yes, this historical figure was, in fact, one of *our* people.
You know what annoys me the most? It's when American films/tv shows portray her with a very thick French accent. Just no. And i say it as a fellow Varsavian who's been living/working in France and Belgium half of my life. I also have an issue with ppl calling Chopin French but that's a rant for another day. BTW the tenement house she was born in (in Warsaw's New Town district) hosts a museum that has been recently renovated. Not a lot of her Warsaw stuff survived our tumultuous history but i still recommend a visit.
OMG THIS IS SO REAL I WAS LIKE WTF WHEN I WATCHED HER FIRST BIOPIC FROM 1943 she did get a French accent when she got older tho, in 1904 her students said that her Polish accent is barely noticable and we can hear her French accent from 1931
As a Lithuanian studying in Spain, I cant imagine that only if I married a Spaniard and won nobel prizes, to be called Spanish. Its bizarre. Marie was born in Poland to Polish parents, spoke Polish, said she was Polish and visited it often - how the hell is she French? Poland should be proud and keep loud about their genius scientist. Marie must be rolling in her grave from this nonsense.
Tau nekeista, kad ji Lietuvos visiškai nepaminėjo, kalbėdama apie "Lenkiją", kas realiai buvo Lenkijos karalystė + Lietuvos Didžioji kunigaikštystė, vėliau - Abiejų tautų respublika? Lietuviai išgyveno tą patį š. kaip ir lenkai: teritorijų praradimą, priverstinį kultūrinį, kalbinį asimiliavimą, dalyvavo tuose pačiuose sukilimuose, bet Karolina visą laiką mini tik lenkus, tarsi lietuviai tuo laikotarpiu neegzistavo, o tokia "Lietuva" staiga išdygo tik 20-ame amžiuje kaip naujadaras. Aš jos skundimosi nepateisinu, nes ji lygiai taip pat pakasinėja kitų tautų indėlį Lenkijos istorijoje, visus nuopelnus priskirdama tik lenkams.
i wouldnt consider myself very patriotic, especially now, when the meaning of this word got so skewed, but seeing "Marie Curie, a French scentist 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊" always makes my blood boil and "Rota" automatically starts playing in my head
I'm the same. Can't call myself very patriotic and honestly, for the most part, I kind of dislike our country in it's current state. I wish I didn't but it's the truth, I don't really feel Polish, I don't want to stay here, I feel no connection. But at the same time I have nothing but respect for our history and what our ancestors went through, I will always fight for our people being recongized.
Ma'am, whenever various populists, demagogues and conmen try to steal away and appropriate patriotism from us as citizens, it's all the more a reason to not suffer in silence somewhere in a corner, and to instead defend a healthy expression of patriotism (i.e. real sincere patriotism, without bigotry and small-mindedness) and not allow those populists, demagogues and conmen to steal patriotism from us and warp patriotism's meaning. We need to defend the real substance of genuine patriotism and not allow others to warp it into something bigoted, unfair and untrue.
I like to think of it as patriotism and nationalism being two sides of the same coin, one being a positive and the other - the negative expression of the same feelings. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage and culture, quite the opposite ✌️ It's bad when you actually use it to make yourself feel superior to others. And hurt other people because of it, which people unfortunately often do
@@Jhud69 The ancestors had it worse though. Had they all left, there would have been no Poland. And as some experts say, maybe a war will occur soon and it will be men and women given machine guns and will have to fight to defend the country.
I have always perceived Maria Skłodowska-Curie as the mother of Polish feminism. Calling her just by Curie or French is denying her huge role in bringing women's equality.
I live in Germany and there's a school nearby called the Marie-Curie Schule. And it's not even a good one. 😑 I wonder if they ever mention "Sklodowska".
Yes refering to a woman by her husband's identity alone is very misogynistic and was really common in the past. And I think Maria really fought against that by keeping her surname
Poland gave suffrage to women ahead of France. And Poland had many women who were just as famous, eg Konopnicka. This is not about feminism, because I bet you, French feminists call her Curie and not Curie-Sklodowska.
@@ingalien8102 As it's Germany then likely they don't believe she was Polish. Germans still have ideas that Bismark and the Austrian painter taught them about us, Poles. Foreign Germans are better. Germans in Germany, mostly hate Poles and think we are backward.
French person here. Thank you for this video. I kinda knew before, very vaguely, that Marie Skłodowska Curie remained attached to her Polish origins her entire life. But now I understand it way more clearly. It's very significant that she kept her first surname when she married. We never hear that name when we mention her in France, we call her "Marie Curie" and nothing else. We also usually say she's French, or French and Polish. I definitely understand that Poles are mad about this mistake. It's disrespectful to her and the entire Polish people.
@@lavellyneI'd disagree with the first name part. 'Marie' is a direct equivalent of polish 'Maria' and - since we're using English at the moment - it's fine to use the former (as long as the person whose name we're using is okay with it, ofc!).
It's so crazy how people want to erase her being Polish so much when she worked so hard to preserve it. And also, people’s reasonings are so dumb. Imagine using all of those reasonings for Jose Rizal (who btw, I just realized that they would've been contemporaries), and say that he can't be Filipino 'cause he studied and worked in Europe 😭 A lot of Maria's behavior when she was studying in France reminds me so much of how Rizal was in Europe too. He kept close to other Filipinos and kept missing home so much and wanted to go back home and make the country better. (Sorry can't help but compare since I had Rizal studies last semester) Colonizers are so damn weird.
Because she was Polish. The world is made of 3 tiers of nations. The G7 and upstarts who will better them (China), the mid tier and the developing world (Global South). As Poles we get a lot of disdain and we are considered inferior human beings by the G7. But the Global South people have it the worst. The Chinese at least are going to make people respect them and we can see that even the might US is afraid of China. They're not afraid of Russia.
@peterc4082 what part of "imagine claiming Rizal isn't Filipino for working and studying in western europe just like Maria" from my original comment did you not understand?
Just so you know, when I heard that line in the movie, I said out loud "she wasn't French, she was Polish" in the theatre and I only knew that because of your previous video. I broke movie theatre etiquette in service to this correction and I regret nothing.
Never bothering to learn about her from even a simple biography and only knowing that she's Polish from a video you coincidentally watched is not something to be proud of. It does not make you superior.
As a Bulgarian, I relate to this a lot. Westerners just don't understand that there is a pro-western bias in the world, and because acknowledging it would make them uncomfortable, without even realising it, they choose to choose their eyes.
And yet Karolina "forgot" to mention Great Duchy of Lithuania while talking about Poland. The territory, which she showed wasn't just Poland, but Polish Lithuanian commonwealth, which is current day: Poland, Lithuania, Belarus and part of Ukraine. All these different ethnicities were under one flag, fighting together the same enemies for 400+ years but Karolina scraped all of this and chose to talk only about Poles, like they were the only victims. Lithuanians were joining Poles in every uprising and many also were imprisoned and killed. Lithuanian language and culture were also under attack by Russian Empire. You can read topics like "Book smuggling" on Wikipedia. It is upsetting, that a Polish woman complains that Westerners don't give proper credit to Poles, while at the same time she doesn't give ANY credit to Poland's neighboring countries which were contributing greatly in Poland's history.
@@Kamane-bee I don't think she meant any harm, but thank you, you are correct, and I will read up on it, since today we still feel the effects of those events
I'm from Spain and in school we are taught that she was Polish. I think on it as basic culture. Also, Karolina, you look specially great in this video.
Its like when Tyra Banks kept expressing that Katarzyna Dolinska's name was difficult to say on cycle 10 of America's Next Top Model, even though she repeated it every...single...week...and Tyra would either joke about it or give up on it. Like girl. Then her modeling agency just shortened it to "Kat Doll". *Price is Right sad theme*
Honestly, I believe it is part of the reason why she was eventually eliminated. Banks is a very egoistic, arrogant person who really keeps grudges; she was getting more and more resentful over the fact a contestant dares to correct her
Growing up in the US I was always taught that Marie Curie was very proud of her polish heritage. I had chemistry teacher AND a history teachers make a point to teach about how proudly polish she was, and how femenisit her relationship was for the time.
@Fluwia I didn't learn how to spell it and wasn't gonna look it up for a TH-cam comment--I shouldn't even be in the comments rn I'm at work. But yes, I remembered she kept her last name and brought it up with my fiance before it was mentioned in the video lol she's actually why decided as a kid to always keep my long and hard to say last name even if i married!
LOUDER! I haaaate how slavic people (especially women) from countries that were opressed literally for hundreds of years are treated as if they didnt exist or as if their achievments happened just because the "amazing" west helped them. While studying in the uk I was shocked how ignorant people are towards slavs - from not even trying to pronounce my surname to teachers saying genuinely crazy misinformation about my country to my face. And dont even let me started on the representation in western media - either weird old grandma, whore with "seductive" body or mentally ill girl that weights like 15kg 🙃we will never be free
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also the constant "You're [insert a Slavic nationality]? But your English is so good!"
While being in the UK, I once got a "compliment" from an English friend who said "when you said 'goodbye' just then, you almost sounded British"... Made me almost start rolling my R's excessively out of spite. Really shows the western Europe mentality of "the only good immigrant is the completely assimilated one".
Oh woah. I'm from an African country and my experience is the same ! Who would have thought being irritated with ignorance would bring us together 😂! For me l'll add when lm asked 'show us the African dance'. Like africa is a country and we all dance the same plus we all know how tp dance apparently.
I love this video! I am from Germany, so as neighbouring country, we always were taught that Marie Curie was actually from Poland, but the fact about naming the first element she discovered Polonium really brings it home! I never thought about that, even though my husband is a chemist, and we used to have the periodic table of elements as a shower curtain.
As a brazilian, i can attetst that is true. we may not be the most unitet countrie, but we would all go to war against the US just to defend the honour of Alberto Santos Dumont
We are a bit cursed, Maria Sklodowska Curie - French! Kopernik - German, Chopin - French… They just won’t let us keep our achievements 😂 and let's nit forget about Joseph Conrad 😂
In the US, as a pianist, it’s drilled into our head that Chopin is Polish and moved to France. He wrote Polish songs which are very popular in the USA-unfortunately Polish musicians don’t like the songs, saying they’re too simple and folky 😆 I like them tho
Omg I was getting so uppity watching this video, especially as someone living abroad. Then I read this comment and I swear I believed Chopin was French. I’m so sorry 😭 the erasure is real 🤦🏻♀️
With Kopernik, the contestation of his nationality is kinda fair, as back when he lived (between 15th -16th century), there was no concept of nationality, and we don't have a clue how he identified himself.
This miraculously ties in with my experiences of getting called a self-centered liar for suggesting soviet symbolism is not the best way to promote anti-capitalism. Honestly, the way western coloniser nations are so happy to erase history or otherwise be completely blind to it.
why are Polish people so obsessed with Marie Curie being Polish? BeCaUsE sHe WaS PoLiSh!!! Also, I met a guy from Canada who was sure that Chopin was French 😭 I assume that's common too. Which is heartbreaking, because Chopin was a refugee. Erasing his identity like that is so wrong.
Not only was he a refugee, but also his final wish was for his heart to return to Poland after his death. I'm not as pressed about recognizing his heritage as I am about recognizing how he identified. To disregard it so callously is monstrous.
i’m a pianist and chopin is definitely by far my favourite composer (ignore the fact that i usually end up crying out of frustration whenever i try to learn a new chopin piece lol) but the first time i saw his name spelt as Fryderyk, rather than Frédéric, i thought it was mistyped or something, and then i went down a rabbit hole and by the end of it i was furious about the erasure of his polish identity, which was very proud of and very vocal about (he wanted his heart to be buried in poland after he died)
Ugh,that Canadian Imbecile! Fuck it! Let's call everyone born in Canada between: - X and XI century Norse - 1498 and 1585 Portuguese - 1535 and 1762 French, - 1762 and 1931 British (theoretically 1867, but it was still part of the British Empire) This makes list of historically significant Canadians quite short.
@@Mia199603 Yes, self-identification is key, but his heritage is also very important, as much of his music was inspired by Polish dances and folk traditions. I remember, as a teenager many years ago, randomly hearing one of his pieces on the radio, not one of his most famous, and thinking, 'That sounds so Polish!' without even knowing it was his. Of course one can think of it as an expression of his identity, but what I mean is that: damn people! You can clearly hear he was a Pole!
I also notice the eternal laziness in pronouncing Polish names. Last I saw Chmielowski was called Szimolowsky(!?). Well, not everything has to be easy, it's something like the McDonaldization of culture.
This. Honestly I don't even care if somebody pronounces our names perfectly, that's not what I want at all. I just want to see an ATTEMPT and EFFORT, which I pretty much never see. And it's sad. It doesn't take that long at ALL to look up a name, even type it in Google Translate or even check the Wikipedia page and listen to the pronunciation then try to say it yourself.
Whenever I watch British TV and there's a Polish surname or other Polish name that gets butchered, I wonder. There are SO MANY of us there. Soooo many. Ask your Polish colleague, they'll tell you. No Polish colleague? Someone's going to have a Polish friend, wife/husband, flatmate, neighbour, builder, cleaner. Heck, go to the Polish shop and ask the shop assistant, they'll pronounce the word for you. Or, you know, go modern and go on the Internet. Type it into Google translate and let it read it to you... Or, for a more personal touch, ask people on Twitter, IG, wherever. Guaranteed, you're going to get someone who transcribes an anglicised pronunciation or straight up records it for you - it takes seconds to do. But no, let's laugh at how difficult it is to pronounce and how funny the language is.
I know it’s a less serious example, but explaining my name, Ewa, to British people is impossible. Like no, it’s not Eve or Eva, it’s Ewa. It’s not that hard to pronounce, but they always feel the need to make it English or act, as if it’s super hard to pronounce.
@pitulanek this is even way to ingrained in polish people that they have to make it easier for others to pronounce their names - I have so many colleagues that shorten their names to Gosia, Kasia, Ola etc. And honestly, they shouldn't have to. We all have a higher education or even Phds, our brains are able to learn how to pronounce names.
Here in Chicago we have a Marie Sklodowska Curie High School. Does it use the French version of her first name? Yes. Is it often just called "Curie HS?" Also yes. But using her maiden name at all is wayyyyy more respect to her Polish identity than is usually paid in the US where she's mostly just known as "French science woman."
@@jobda1211Back then, adapting your given name to the language you were currently writing in was pretty common. Karl Marx signed his French language letters "Charles"
And in Poland we sometimes do that too. Calling her husband 'Piotr', Charles Darwin is 'Karol Darwin' (with polish pronounciation! So more Darrrrrvin) or my fav Kartezjusz (Descartes). Nowadays the trend is to keep original names, my guess is our society is better educated now so French or English names are not that hard for us, we know how to pronounce them and we are less ashamed of our pronounciation than the previous generations. For people who only learn Russian as the foregain language, it was hard to read English or French names, so at these times (PRL and before) a polonised version of names were created, i guess to make them easier to pronounce and remember. You can still find them in older books. as i said, with modern people we rather keep them original, but some of these older names are probably too stuck in our brains. For Pierre and Charles i see the chance (although, for example, we calm the king Karol even now!), but i guess for Descartes it is kinda too late, he will remain Kartezjusz forever
Thank you for this video, Karolina! It was so refreshing to hear this perspective from someone else. In a Ukrainian school we were taught her story and it was incredibly inspiring to me. We have the same approach to treating our authors and scientists, who’s achievements are more often then not attributed to other cultures. It’s so common for me to have to explain that a particular famous person is in fact Ukrainian and that our culture did in fact have a significant impact on the world. I subscribed for the fashion content, but would greatly appreciate such videos too! Experiencing similar feelings as Maria currently studying abroad and will definitely read the autobiography. Thanks for the lead :)
As a Ukrainian, it’s so relatable, Russian Empire fucked up our culture, too. When you culture is erased for centuries and now when we are trying to restore it and someone calls a prominent Ukrainian - Russian, my blood starts boiling and a lot of people abroad are just like “you are overreacting”. so I totally get it why Polish people are pissed off in this situation. Thank you for the video!
Here in Brazil we learn that Maria SKŁODOWSKA Curie was polish. I've never seen (here) any mention of her being french. Maybe this is a french (or some other countries) thing?
@@h.l.5103 You're right. Sorry. I made the correction. Curiously, Maria in my language is also Maria (one more reason for me to remember not to write it Marie) Thanks.
as an Ukrainian I absolutely get it. not being a "big european nation" is hard, for some reason everyone will call your famous people any other nation except for what they really are... sometimes it can be hard, but not in situations when they obviously state who they are like Marie did. it's very important to talk about, we all need our famous people to feel better about being ourselves
a fun unrelated fact: Maria Curie was almost snubbed out from her first Nobel Prize. The committee wanted to honor only her husband, but he spoke out for her and said if she is not recognized along with him, he would refuse the prize.
Maria was 24 years old when she left. She was better educated than many of her French colleagues at university. They act as if France gave her all the knowledge. A silly Polish woman came and it was the French who enlightened her. Aleksander Wolszczan discovered the first extrasolar system and did not receive the Nobel Prize. In 2019, two Swiss men were awarded for discovering extrasolar planets...This is another example of our history being erased, distorted and ridiculed. For example, jokes about Poles in the USA. There is a book called Hollywood's War with Poland. How Poles were made into the worst scum because the Americans didn't like the fact that their ally (Russia) cooperated with the Germans. During the war, propaganda bits were played before every film and the victim was turned into someone who was not worth feeling sorry for.
@@joannakowalczyk1040 They were awarded the prize specifically "for the discovery of an exoplanet orbiting a solar-type star" which is significant in-and-of-itself, and not every first gets a Nobel prize anyway. The French dismissal of Skłodowska-Curie is horrible, but Poland has had several scientists win Nobels besides her. I would also like to note, as an American, that Polish jokes have fortunately largely disappeared from our public consciousness. I remember finding a 70s joke book as a kid (mid-90s) that had some "Pol*ck" jokes and being confused at why these were even jokes. Like, not in a "these jokes are bad and xenophobic" way but a "wait, this was a thing? people disliked Poles enough to make jokes?" I know better now about the history, of course, but I've never once heard a fellow American crack a xenophobic Polish joke. Italian joke, maybe, but Poles no. Maybe older people in NYC or Chicago still crack them, but it's not something I've heard from people my age or in my East Coast city.
and can you name one who won besides maria? it's like calling robert lewandowski a spanish because he plays for fc barcelona, i.e. completely unrelated. it's very important for polish people because it's our history, our pride and even maria skłodowska wanted to be remember as a polish woman not french. she died for good of science but for good of poland too. @dado__
@@m3llilla I'm sorry, but I think you misread my comment. I explicitly said treating Skłodowska-Curie as a French person is wrong. And yes, I can. Lech Wałęsa, for winning the peace prize. Europe has a ton of countries and it's not like I can remember laureates for every one, so it's an unfair question. Hell, my parents are Portuguese and we have 2 laureates, one of which got it for *inventing lobotomy* so it's hardly an honor. Could you name either of them without checking?
@@dado__genezą Polish Jokes było to że największą falą imigranci z Polski byli chłopi z Galicji czyli obecnych terenów Polski Południowo-Wschodniej i Zachodnien Ukrainy. Ludzie żyjący bardzo biednie, bez wykształcenia i bez znajomości świata oddalonego dalej niż 20 km od wsi (w Galicji kolej była bardzo słabo rozwinięta). Ci ludzie byli pracowici ale tak przyzwyczajeni do biedy i złych warunków że traktowano ich jak jakiś dzikusów. Nie znali języka, przez co nie kupywali ziemi rolnej i pracowali za najniższe stawki. Dlatego ciężko się integrowali i budowali swoiste getta. Jeszcze trzeba dodać to, że Amerykanie rasistowski podchodzili do każdego narodu katolickiego. Najpierw źle traktowali Irlandczyków, potem przerzucili się na Włochów a potem na Polaków. Wzmocnieniem Polish Jokes były walka o równouprawnienie że strony Czarnych Amerykanów. Ale wcześniej było to zakończenie wojny i oddanie Polski oraz całego regiony Europy Środkowo-Wschodniej w ręce Stalina. Chciano "udowodnić" że Polacy to nieudacznicy, którzy przegrali własny kraj (Polska broniła się miesiąc i to gdy walczyła na dwa fronty ze Związkiem Radzieckim, potężna Francja upadła po trzech tygodniach, walcząc tylko z Niemcami ale mając bardzo złe dowództwo główne, gdy Niemcy mieli duże szczęście). Ale też swoje zrobiło przepisanie na Polaków amerykańskiej winy za brak reakcji na Holocaust. Byłam w Muzeum Auschwitz dosłownie 1,5 miesiąca temu i też na głównej wieży strażniczej. Strażnicy widzieli cały teren. Nie było mowy o podkopach bo Niemcy wlali pod ogrodzenia beton na głębokość 1 metra (3,3 stopy). Był drut kolczasty, pod napięciem, uzbrojone wieże strażnicze co 150 m, a sam obóz był wybudowany w dalszej odległości od zabudowań czy wręcz Niemcy wysiedlali mieszkających w pobliżu Polaków. Nie było mowy o szturmie sił partyzanckich. Tylko regularne wojsko miało szanse na wyzwolenie całego obozu. Ci ludzie, którzy uciekli uciekali albo w przebraniu albo pracowali/mieli znajomych w takich oddziałach obozowych gdzie łatwiej było o ucieczkę.
Finally someone mentions that the flying university was actually organised by a woman! I remember how at my school during history lessons we would be taught it was all about men fighting for freedom and ladies "just wearing" some patriotic jewellery or clothes...
I still remember during Black History Month, my wyt teacher was proud to say Crispus Attucks was famous for being mixed Black and Indigenous. I wanted to know what he was famous for. She doubled down and reiterated his ancestry, even when I reminded her I’m also Black and Indigenous, as is my paternal family, it’s not unusual. Later that year she badmouthed my dad for having mixed Indigenous ancestry.
My great grandfather left Chełm to “escape the Russians” I never gave it much thought until I looked into what was going on there at the time. He married another Polish immigrant and lived in a Polish speaking area (Hamtramck, Michigan). My mom wasn’t allowed to learn Polish because the pressure to assimilate was huge in the 50s. My mom still is sad she was never able to learn it.
Thank you so much for this video! I'm directing the play "Radium Girls" and Maria does make an appearance onstage. I will be sure to have my actress learn the polish accent (and do it well), and have her actual name in our programs
I hope you have fun in making it wrong. She had a Polish accent when she first arrived in France. Not in the 1920s. By 1904 it was already reported that her Polish accent in French is barely noticable. There is a recording of her voice from 1931 with a French accent.
@Curiescat-f5f thank you for correcting me! It's my goal to be accurate, but obviously I'm not a historian. Maybe while I do research on her, you could do some research on how to correct people in a kind way! Learning is so fun. Hope that helps!
@@rhiannynmccauley6461 I apologise. Honestly I can't know from a comment if I'm talking to someone who's willing to learn or someone who's just trying to erase her French identity disguised as promoting her Polish identity. Would you want me to help in providing some resources about researching on her?
I can totally understand why Polish people would want to rip sh*t up over this. I knew she was Polish but not much else; now with more context I'm 100% on board with getting people to do better on this one
Hi ! I'm french with polish roots (my great grand mother's name was Irena Brzezińska, she arrived in France during the 30's). I'm very proud of this heritage and I'm trying to learn polish. Thanks for your content, it helps me to understand a missing part of myself ❤ The erasure of Maria Skłodowska-Curie's identity is very problematic for polish culture and history. Also, misogyny is a big part of the problem imo. Sorry for my poor english and thanks a lot for your work ❤❤
Ty też jesteś naszą reprezentantką. Potrzebujemy osób które na anglojęzycznym YT będą opowiadały ludziom o naszym kawałku świata, bo jak robi to ktoś z innego kraju , to zazwyczaj połowę przekręci. Tobie wychodzi to z gracją i nienachalnie. Dzięki za ten filmik.
5:54 to this day I remember reading The Labors of Sisyphus (Syzyfowe Prace) by Stefan Żeromski. If anyone is interested in a story (what we would call "coming of age" these days) set in those times I recommend it. It was based on the author's experience at school during russification
First (and last) novel I ever read in Polish. Not because it wasn't good, but, as Karolina says, "I am not going to lie" -- Polish really is a hard language for foreigners. The letters of the alphabet look like Latin letters, but the combinations produce very unexpected sounds for the non-Polish people.
@@Mearait’s very informative, but I hate how the main character is written. It was interesting because of the historical context it gives about how russification worked.
To be completely honest, Żeromski is not my favourite novelist and the film version of _Syzyfowe Prace_ ( released in 2000) is the one case when I liked the adaptation more than the original book.
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in light of the contend of your video, why not put the whole of Maria Salomea Skłodowska-Curie's name in the title?
Probably too long @@benzaiten933
Crazy idea for people - don’t change peoples race/ ethnicity/ nationality to suit what’s popular. Especially historical figures, but even mythological stories of cultural origin, etc. If you want AA stories WRITE THEM!
Why accept this constant half assed virtue signalling from billion dollar production companies who are willing to capitalise off of your political ideals while not being willing to put any effort into making an actual story that might be relevant to that storyline.
They’re cowering from any risk of reward by not making anything original that might actually make a statement about the races they’re attempting to virtue signal by race-swapping them.
@@benzaiten933 Salmonella?! Let's keep that in the drafts
well, You'll always have Emily Rattakowski
watched beetlejuice in a polish cinema and the audience literally gasped at the scene
But Poles will keep on buying that rubbish. When Jon Stewart insulted John Paul II in the 90s, the Polish gov threatened to kick CNN out of Poland. John Stewart turned his BS down. His anti-Polish side persist though. He's a slime ball.
Really?
I watched dubbed version and it was "Polish scientist".
@@Sombre_gd Maybe they watched it with subtitles
@@Sombre_gd właśnie liczyłam że dubbingi to naprawia, mam nadzieję że w innych językach tez
Some people want to talk about famous woman's achievements to look feminist, but then only call her by her husband's name and erase her nationality in favour of his nationality. How curious.
Right? What a flop for the whole movie, exposes how they only care to appear woke😮💨
Truly Curie-ous,,
Cause "Eastern Europeans are not real Europeans". As Karolina said, we're always treated as less-than. Mainly because if anyone from our countries achieve anything they're seen by the Westerners as almost black sheep of their nations, rather than respresentatives
THAT
She even refused to accept any award if it didn't have her real name on it.
Shoutout to my Hungarian physics teacher who was conviced Pierre Curie was Polish too
Piotr Kiur 🇵🇱
The equality I'm fighting for 💪
or simply: Maria Sklodowska's husband.
@@p1rgit he would've been ecstatic to be known as her husband and nothing else, tbh
Piotr Skłodowski!
As an Indian, I am pleased to say we learnt she was Polish in our school! I cannot imagine how outraged we would be if the English claimed our mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan because he spent his major working years there. His heart was always back home. Also the number of people who pronounce his name wrong... -_-
How are you supposed to pronounce his name?
I mean it’s very different though. The british colonized India. France was a friendly country to Poland. She voluntarily chose to become french, change her name to a french name, marry a french guy. Does she have polish heritage? Yes and that should not be denied? Should she be reduced to « being polish » that would be a strange oversimplification of the truth for nationalistic purposes
@@Corsaire_media_official She literally named an element she discovered in honour of Poland and kept her Polish surname
@@EllieInTheRain ok. If you really need a historical figure to be polish and it makes you more able to cope with your modern 21st century life. Then think that way. But it doesn’t change that in historical reality, while being polish was only a part of her identity and she integrated into another country as well. Individuals and history are more complicated than simple nationalistic narratives
@@Corsaire_media_official Its literally the exact same thing 😭🙏
so when a polish girl marries a french guy shes french, but when i do it then apparently i'm gay 🙄
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That’s good! Excellent point!
It means you're an elf, although we're trying to decide if you're a Tolkien elf or a Warhammer elf.
Some would say that that's the same thing.
It's not that I have a problem with it, I just don't think it's a valid marriage. With a fr*nch person? Why would you do it to yourself?
Maria named the element she discovered Polonium to honour her Polish identity. Is it really any wonder that Poles are rightfully pissed off????
Poles are pissed off about worthless nationalist stuff but are not pissed off about the influence of catholic church and anti women policies of the governments.
@@XHitsugaXI really would love to know what poles you're talking about seeing as the biggest protest in the last years were exactly about that
@@nicenightmare2644 are the abortion bans repelled? Have people responsible been punished? Protests that are neitger disruptive nor punishing at the Electoral Booth are inconsequential.
But this is the social media effect. People are more happy to argue about Hollywood ignorance and stupid ethnic pride in accomplishments of other individuals rather than tangible materialistic and political issues.
@@XHitsugaX don't know if you're Polish or not, but you got it all wrong basically 💀
@@kasiula7297 so have the abortion bans been abolished? Have the politicians responsible for these inhumane laws been sent to prison?
Was the catholic church removed from influence?
I might or might not have shouted "SHE WAS POLISH SHE MARRIED A FRENCHMAN" in the theater. I didn't even realize until it came out my mouth lol 😅 I'm glad it's being talked about and my female history nerd self feels vindicated after making a fool of myself in a US theater 🤣
doing the Lord's work!!
I call that "using my Karen abilities for good". I live in Atlanta and it has helped disarm a few tense situations in public when no one else feels safe to speak up.
👏👏👏👋👋👋👏👏👏
@@pootoobaby738 🎵Can i make it any more obvious?🎶
And I love you for that!
Pierre Curie was polish, because he married a polish woman.
And yet people would probably argue with that! Not saying that everyone but it is strange that when its the other way around we are just "overreacting" like sure lie to yourself bro 😂
Ah yes Piotr Skłodowski-Curry
Its kinda different since women take mens last name after mariage, altho your husband doesnt change her genepole and culture she was living in her entire life.
Meaning she is polish
@@ConquestadorExplore Men can take their womens name as well. What's more Maria kept her last name and took her husband's last name
No ! He was French!
Caroline Zebro, the famed Scottish youtuber
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caroline rib sounds like sims name
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No, has to be Canadian
MacZebro
as a non polish person I 100% respect you guys being obsessed. it's what she would have wanted
She openly wanted to be Curie
@@Curiescat-f5fsource: trust me bro
@@enravotaboyadjiev7466 alr, google traitè de radioactivitè. Who wrote it? Madame P. Curie.
Google Pierre Curie biography book. Who wrote it? Marie Curie.
Google la radiologie et la guerre. Who wrote it? Madame Pierre Curie.
You still don't trust me?
@@enravotaboyadjiev7466 It's Curie's cat, it have to know something, yes?
@@Curiescat-f5f she literally named an element polonium
Let's not forget Marie Curie's music contributions-"All I Want For Christmas Is You" is a masterpiece.
Uranium*
@@mwv1217 "All I want for Christmas is U(-234)"
😂😂😂
Marii Skłodowskiej curie*
A Marie and Mariah collab would be incredible 😂
That really hit home. I’m Bosnian but was born and raised in Switzerland. Growing up, I had a Bosnian accent and was 'othered' by some Swiss people-some even tried to convert me to Christianity, though I was raised Muslim (I’m not religious anymore). Now, as an adult, those same people call me 'Swiss' because of my success and loss of accent. I tell them I’m proud to be Swiss but also proud of my Bosnian roots. When they insist I’m 100% Swiss, I remind them I can never be, and I honor my family’s survival of the Srebrenica massacre.
that's a pity you aren't religious anymore
my condolences
tradition is important even if you don't truly believe
Swiss are a mix, except the state and isolation together nothing in common
@@szymonbaranowski8184 let people believe in what they want to (or don't want), maybe we shouldn't go back to the middle ages
don't mind them downgrading your ancestry and your culture, be a proud Slav in the west
Being born and raised there, they’re kind of right. I also think they’re trying to be inclusive. Cause the opposite is way worse.. You are 100% of nationality wise, cause you weren’t born somewhere else. Your heritage is a slightly different matter. Personally as an American, I think too many people put too much emphasis on their heritage. And are way too proud about places they’ve often never been and don’t know. It’s especially laughable when that place drive them out or was just awful to the point of their parents wanting to leave.
@@bannedmann4469 I agree with you, though maybe it's because I'm American too. I see a lot of people who need to feel connected to an identity / heritage of some kind, and I don't (nor my siblings, though our mum always tried telling us "you're Australian too!!" - we're dual nationals, technically, but we were born and raised in the US. Aside from an appreciation of Violet Crumble it doesn't affect me much I'm afraid).
And as for Americans being obsessed with their heritage, I live in Ireland and lemme tell you how exactly unimpressed they are with Americans coming over and loudly saying I'M IRISH. They're called Plastic Paddies and there's even a video on youtube of an older Irish gentleman getting annoyed at the Americans coming over (he does a pretty good American accent too!!).
Once saw a comment online of an American man who was mortally offended after going to Poland and not a single person was interested / impressed by the fact that he had some Polish heritage. As though they were supposed to roll out the red carpet for him and fall to their knees in amazement that someone with a bit of Polish in them deigned to visit them from America...?
From media I've learned there can be a bit of a struggle for Asian Americans as they struggle to figure out what that means to them / find a way to be both Asian and American, and for anyone struggling I feel sorry for them and hope they sort it out but I just feel lucky I guess that I'm not bothered by such things. tbh I'd really rather all nationalism / patriotism were to die down sooner than soon and instead everyone sees themselves more as global citizens as we start to overcome our tribalistic instincts but that's impossible, sadly.
Names are important and so is heritage! My grandma is indigenous Okinawan (Uchinaanchu), and she remembers how horrible it was being a civilian there during WWII and the horrible things that the Japanese did. When I was really little, she told me, "Never let anyone call you Japanese. You are Okinawan." I feel tremendous pride in my heritage, and I can only imagine how that would be amplified by growing up there like Marie did in Poland.
TIL there are native people of Okinawa.
Your comment makes me happy as a Pole who is very interested in history of Okinawa. It frustrates me to no end that almost nobody acknowledges that Okinawa is occupied land just like Hawaii is. And it was occupied by BOTH Japanese and Americans.
@@Jhud69warto wiedzieć :oo
Also the language just being called an accent by most people instead of it's own language speaks a lot about how people think about Okinawa
Babcia była Riukinanką?
I'm painfully reminded of how the Polish mathematicians who broke the enigma cypher never get mentioned in any films about Bletchley Park. Not like that was a useful contribution, da?
The chief physicist who co-invented the hydrogen bomb was also Polish and studied in Lwow. And without Czochralski who invented the main method of silicon wafer production, we would not have modern electronics. We'd be sitting on vacuum tubes.
@@peterc4082 Ulam (he's who we're talking about, right?) at least got mentioned in Oppenheimer
@@pawelabrams His Polish professors in Lwow probably didn't get mentioned.
@Adelina-293
I knew about the Polish mathematicians and it was from one documentary about Bletchley Park, but I cannot remember which one. I saw it within the last three years but it was an older documentary, and that's the extent of my memory about it. Their contributions haven't been erased completely, but I agree, they're usually overlooked.
@@agcons There were many Polish mathematicians. Many are world famous and have left discoveries and so on. You do know about the Polish and reverse Polish notations? You can check wikipedia for the category of Polish mathematicians, Poland was a trend setter in maths in the early 20th century and even before.
I don't get the argument that "she can't be Polish, Poland didn't exist back then".
Well, Finland belonged to Sweden for about 500 years but that doesn't make Finnish people at that time Swedish. They were still Finns.
And yet Obama will call German Nazi concentration camps, "Polish camps" even though Poland also did not exist and the Germans built and ran them.
There are many nations without countries. Even today. Closest example - Kashubians. They count as a nation, yet they have no country, just a region.
Of course, with that argument, Beethoven wasn´t german either
It's cause they get nationality and ethnicity mixed up
@@cichy1984 either, not neither.
In Ukraine, when we learn about her at school, we learn her name as Marie Sklodowska-Curie. And every time she comes up, I pronounce her name exactly like that in English, and usually get a lot of questions from foreigners. I don’t mind explaining. As someone from a culture that has been oppressed for centuries, I can completely understand why Polish people are pissed. I am pissed when every Ukrainian artist, writer, scientist is called russian.
I had the same experience as a Ukrainian. I think all former USSR nations struggle with reminding the world about the origins of their famous people.
why is your text so bleak
I literally got into an argument with my 8th grade French teacher who insisted that Marie Curie was French. Despite the super Italian name, I’m half Polish and have family who still lives in Wroclaw. Needless to say, I won the argument.
Nice. You great great great grandmother may have been the famous Cecilia Gallerani who was Italian but is Polish now, too :)
@@shylockwesker5530 Yes! Entirely possible. My Dad has a reproduction hanging in the house. I haven’t been to Krakow yet, but want to go and visit one day. We claim her, but don’t know the exact lineage. She had 8 brothers and the family is all from the same part of Italy that my family is from, so I’ll take it!
@@MarissaGalleraniI live in Krakow, it's beautiful, I encourage you to visit, you will not be disappointed! 😊
At least your teacher heard of her, unlike me who had to educate the entire school about it
Italy is G7, Poland is potatoes. So being Italian makes you a rock star.
It really touched me when you mentioned polish "scientists who never where" so to say. My grandma was a very talented person with an extraordinary analytical mind. Despite missing out on half of her education due to WWII she graduated high school with perfect scores, aced uni entry exam and was about to study chemistry in Poznań. It was her great passion. Tragically, that June bloody riots took place in Poznań and her parents strongly persuaded her away from higher education. She ended up working as an accountant in a huge factory, and was able to do complex calculations in a blink of an eye. Sadly she suffered an abusive marriage which broke her spirit quite a bit. I always wondered who would she be if communists didn't shoot that June in Poznań.
“I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” (J. Gould) I think about this quote quite often.
@@Ichneumonxx that quote haunts me
Oh what a story, my grandma was similar! She was such a strong, confident and smart lady. She missed two school grades during the war but she graduated school at 17 and then studied enginnering at a university nearby. She graduated in 1951 and I often think about what those times must've been like. A young woman in Poland five years after the end of war! The poor country was so far behind the rest of the world, rebuilding itself and the Russians were already controlling everything. Anyway, she had a good stable job until retirement and was a respected engineer. She taught herself how to use a computer and the internet sometime around 2010 and I wrote e-mails to her until her death last year. Forever my inspiration.
So many talents lost,so many died in battles.God bless them❤
my maternal grandmother was a biochemist when she still lived in poland during the soviet era, i’m sure it wasn’t easy as university access wasn’t as good as over in moscow or st petersburg. she had the credentials and experience but it didn’t stick socially and economically when she immigrated to Canada with my mom during the 70’s, she became a nursing assistant instead at an elderly care facility. i relate to the quote the first reply recited too, i’m finally in university studying biology after thinking i was gonna become a high school dropout because of my chronic illness and learning disorders. i thought i was too stupid for the sciences because of how horribly it was taught to me during middle school, i genuinely was about to cry when my prof said he saw potential in me and that science is supposed to be meant for everyone no matter where they’re at. i was supposed to graduate high school this year with my post secondary diploma but post viral chronic illness severely offset that goal projection and my schools new admin fumbled the diploma and re enrolment for this year so i never got my ceremony. i’m now going to enroll in environmental sciences to study freshwater fish disease and parasites since the impact salmon farming has had on our endemic populations in western canada has been devastating, my biggest dream as a little kid was becoming a marine biologist maybe i’ll be the first to genetically map white sturgeon iridovirus.
I completely understand and relate to the anger from Poles in this situation. It’s so frustrating when the only representation the world has of you is a gross stereotype, and then when you do have a positive figure from your country/culture, that figure is ignored or represented inaccurately. I’m Colombian, and I can tell you how much relief I felt when Encanto came out. For once, we were not represented as savage criminals, cartels, or only briefly mentioned in reference to coffee or cocaine. Yet, still, media cannot seem to understand it is spelt Colombia and not “Columbia,” but at least Encanto was some improvement. So, no, this is not an overreaction. The Poles deserve accurate representation. We will not tolerate the erasure of Maria Skłodowska-Curie’s *Polish* identity.
Well said. 8-)
Also, though I'm European and haven't visited South America, I've actually never had a bad impression of Colombia, despite some of its troubled history and present. What I think of when someone says "Colombia" is "people with ancestry from all over the world" and "lots of talented and interesting musicians and bands".
I'm Mexican (born and raised in México), but I feel ya. It also makes my blood boil whenever I see people spelling "Columbia" instead of Colombia and I'm that annoying person correcting them in the comments lol.
@user-is7xs1mr9y i just checked to make sure and in polish Colombia is called "Kolumbia" which I'm guessing wouldn't be appreciated? Could you tell me if just the spelling is an issue here or is the reason more political?
@@simpleeshrimp I'm guessing its to distance themselves from Christopher Columbus, who was increasingly understood to be an asshole and colonizer
Thank you for your support ❤ Encanto was a gem. I would love to see a Disney movie portraying Slavic culture. I’m afraid that’s not in the books for us though 😅 One can dream.
I'm not Polish and I also think that Maria being Polish is common knowledge. I was so suprised when I saw the movie. Its also a very easily fact that can be checked on a 2 min Google search, so it getting to the final cut of the movie is suprising, and worrying. This is how easily misinformation can spread.
Saying that she if French is not misinformation. The fact that this can be easily checked means that any person who cares about her enough would know that she's Polish. If anything, this means that you should be mad over the fact that people don't care about her in general instead of thinking that her Polish identity is being targeted.
To be honest, it’s not only about Maria Skłodowska being Polish. It’s about her agency as a woman. Why are we insisting on using her husband’s name? She kept her last name, because she wanted people to know it. And she wanted to keep her identity and agency through that.
I remember that she even wanted to keep that name for people to know that she is Polish.
Even if she wasn’t one of the most successful women in history, why are we taking this agency from her?
Acctually a lot of polish female scientist do that to these days
Im a chemist too and almost all my teachers were hyphenated
I asked once an one of them told me that they write articles and other papers when they were still a student (in poland you have to write in order to stay employed at uni) and they want to be recognized for all of their work even after marriage
I think it's mostly laziness because Sklodowska is harder to pronounce.
@@ola1532 No.
Precisely! Couldn't have said it better.
she cheated on her husband she was morally retarded
My partner's Dutch and he just doesn't get why it's so important for me to be very clear I am Latvian and not Dutch (when we travel, people ask where we're from and he'd just say the Netherlands because it's easier even though I have never been there and we live in Latvia). The rest of the world doesn't understand what it means for someone to try to erase your country, your traditions, your language - the flag was even illegal! Proud of Polish people holding their ground, you inspire us to stand ours too.
Don't you think that's a little bit of a red flag in this relationship?
@UneEtincelleNocturne as I said, I don't think someone who didn't grow up in Eastern Europe or other oppressed culture can really get it. I don't think people are by default bad because they just don't get it. Eg, I don't think I will ever truly get what it is like to experience racism as a black person in America, but it doesn't mean that it makes me a bad person. I just don't get it like someone who lived it. But I'm open to listening, and so is he, so that's a good enough start for me.
@@magicalspacegiraffe We're not talking about some intangible life experience that people can "get" or "not get". We're taking about facts here - only one of you is Dutch, only one of you has ever even been there, and neither of you currently live there. And yet he still insists on introducing you both as being and/or coming from there. Don't you think this is disrespectful?
Too bad your kids will be Dutch. Yay for sesute!
@UneEtincelleNocturne He did it without knowing my thoughts, and I brought it up afterwards. He really doesn't get why do I care what other people know, people are just doing a smalltalk and it's not like they actually care, probably won't remember the conversation - it's just not important to go in details with passerbys for him. But since it really doesn't matter to him he said he will try out saying we're Latvian on the next trip. Sure, if he keeps it up when I have clarified I do care then I'll agree that's f-ed up, but I really don't see a Western European understanding it. I've had Danish people calling me Russian specifically because I'm from Eastern Europe and a whole party laughing like it's the most intelligent social commentary. There's a difference between not getting it and being respectful and not getting it and being cruel.
As a French-Polish woman, let me reassure you. The French-Polish community's got everyone's back. Maria, Chopin, Kopernik. The people WILL ALWAYS KNOW. We can't help it.
Only one we've collectively, French and Poles, agreed to let go is Polański. Dude's stateless now.
I laughed strong laugh 😂🤣🤣🤣
I love that Polański has just been excommunicated from poland AND france both like "ew, we don't claim him, fuck that guy" because PREACH 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Well Polański is mostly known as Polish jew.
@@prkp7248 Does Israel want him?
@@motherlesschild102HAHAH yes he can go to them 🙃
I honestly didn’t even know Marie Skłodowska-Curie was Polish until she came up in conversation with me and my Polish partner recently, and I was confused at hearing her name hyphenated because I’d literally never heard it any way other than “Marie Crurie” before- it is a failure of education! Thank you for making this video with more information, I like trying to learn as much as I can about my partner’s culture, and it’s really important we don’t let it be forgotten. Hopefully it will help other people become more informed too! :)
it's not failure , this is just ,,erase " of Polish persons from history ( the same case is with 303 squadron and remove Polish from mentioning from books or movies ! , literally : "winners write history" this is why in other countries Maria słodowska currie have removed Skłodowska from her name , or other important persons
@@BlackDragon95912 Yes, the failure to properly teach history erasures her Polish identity, and it is sad that that is the case. It needs to change.
@@BlackDragon95912 I wouldn't go as far with it. Multibillion media production corporations are just ignorant and these details are least things to care. First example that comes to my mind is the latest controversy Assassin's Creed which was so embarrassing for Ubisoft they didn't even show up with it in recent Tokyo Game Show. The one thing alarming is the majority of wiki pages insist on omitting Maria's maiden's name in the title, because "she known simply as" as it is a nickname.
We learnt the name Marie Curie only but we also learnt that she was Polish. No one in India thinks she is French bcz our Middle school textbooks said she was from Poland.
The disrespect to Polish language is so real. I’m having a dinner for Kazimierz Pułaski Memorial Day this Friday and you would think I was spitting in people’s faces the way they react to me bothering to pronounce his name instead of saying Casimir Pulaski. Like babes, we’re literally celebrating this Polish man??? You’re gonna hear some Polish words.
Is it true he was a hermaphrodite?
especially that no one expects perfect polish pronunciation „poowahskee” would be accepted
Just know that Poles appreciate every foreigner who tries with our language. We will either be amused or impressed, but always thankful ^^
Yo this is so real? I got those reactions a lot growing up in the US cause i wanted to like.. pronounce words and NAMES from other languages correctly and people got upset with me cause they'd think i was trying to be better than them or pretentious and it's like "nah dude i just... like languages."
One of my favorite niche Chicago/Illinois holidays!
I mean she kept her first surname for a reason🙄
Technically, she was always Marie Skłodowska because French civil law does not allow name changes with very restricted exceptions, especially for family names, a rule that has been there since the French Revolution. But informally, married women are always called by their husband's family name; that is why "Madame Curie" stuck to this day.
@@cfromnowhereI stuck for a different reason in that case.
I hear her first surname for the first time...
@@dozzzor Maria Skłodowska-Curie, known as Marie Curie, famously refused to accept awards if they were not presented to her under her actual name.
@@leno_o17 good for her, but that doesn't change my statement.
Fundamentally it's about *respecting* Marie Skłodowska-Curie as a woman. She CHOSE to hyphenate her name, and to ignore that is sexist and anti-feminist, and a disservice to her memory. I think a lot of it is also tied to the disrespect to slavic languages/last names, where people dont even want to bother to pronounce them, so it's easier to phase it out. Infuriating.
Didn't you mean Maria?
Bruh, are you seriously calling someone who doesn't bother to look up someone's 3 names and just remember the most common misogynist? What next? Not remember the date a woman died 400 hundred years ago will become a crime against all women?
Not to mention that following your same logic, not remembering every name an important male person has would be a disservice to all men
@@dontmindmefangirling3123 this "most common" is coming from misogyny and xenophobia. It's not that hard to try to respect someone about who your talking about, really
Yes, it's easier to say "Curie", unfortunately:(. We Polish people know that Polish is hard but we would really appreciate it if someone said her Polish surname
@@dontmindmefangirling3123 You cannot pick and choose what part of someone's name is easiest for you and ignore the rest, it's disrespectful on a base level regardless. Yes it would still be bad if it happened to a male scientist, just more rooted in xenophobia rather than potentially gender discrimination. Maria had to fight so hard to be distinct from her husband, and your reason for ignoring her name is "it's hard"? For who? Mostly just English speakers. The world does not revolve around English speakers though, and even when English is hard for us non- English speakers, we don't just avoid using it. It's a stupid double standard based on laziness.
I'm Brazilian and had a presentation on Maria in high school. The way I explained to my classmates why its important to pronounce her name right was a careful mix of "mispronouncing stuff because you're lazy is USA behavior" and "remember when foreigners kept calling Giselle Bündchen 'gissel'? Or when they say coxinha like coccyx-in-hah?". It worked perfectly. The last straw was saying "imagine if people finally accept that Santos Dumont invented the airplane but everyone starts calling him only by Dumont and claiming he was french" which caused a surge of patriotic rage usually reserved for the World Cup or the Olympics
Finding ways to demonize americans for everything is peak brazilian behavior. And people wonder why we never managed to become a 1st world country
Invented the airplane? lol check your facts on that one. Innovations in the field and invented are not synonymous.
@@bannedmann4469 see, case in point. Dito isso Santos Dumont inventor do avião 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷 Brasil número 1 do mundo pentacampeão mundial etc etc e tal
I unironically love the argument of "mispronouncing stuff because you're lazy is USA behavior".
-How do they call a famous Pole in the West?
-A French.
Smart French xD
Frédéric Chopin agrees
@@dozzzor Shit
Od Lewandowski german
what's even more ironic, is that Poland IS a part of the West, our culture is western, and other western countries sometimes refuse to recognize that.
interesting how people have no problem with pronouncing Tchaikovsky and Dostoevsky but they draw the line at Skłodowska 😐
Well maybe I'm wrongly informed but didn't both of them (Dostoevsky and Tchaikovsky) had polish ancestry? Just basing on the end of their surnames (yes I'm aware Dostoevsky was polonophobe)
same language group, irrelevant
@@PolishAxolotl he was. And yes he was part Polish, maybe half Polish. All Poles in his books are hillariously awful 😃
uhmmm... Why are you so sure of it? no english speaking person pronounces their names
properly, especially Чайковский
@@themaster2126 Well at least they're trying to pronounce it whereas with Sklodowska they just give up
Czech neighbour here. I see your point so much. We share similar historical cultural aspects, such as oppression of big nations (such as Russia) and we Czechs are also sensitive about other people not knowing that things or people are "ours". In school they teach us to pride ourselves over our inventors such as Mendel (genetic laws), Wichterle (contact lenses), Holý (research important for HIV therapy)... or artists (Dvořák, Smetana, Janáček, Mucha, Kafka, Forman, Kundera...) or sportsman (Zátopek, Navrátilová, Jágr...) or politicians (Havel). Or the fact, that the all-world known word "robot" was also invented and firstly used in Czech literature by brothers Josef and Karel Čapek. Similar situation as you describe with Marie Curie Sklodowska (which we Czechs usually know was Polish, because we are so close to you :)), we experience with Kafka, Mendel, Mahler, Rilke, Freud, Porsche or others who are usually considered to be German or Austrian because we were historically part of the Austrian-Hungarian monarchy and the German influence is also very present in our colloquial language. Thank you for the video, it could be enlightening to the people across the seas. :)
my english school taught that mendel was german
HLASITĚJI!!
I hadn't known about Mendel either, thank you for sharing this information
My Polish highschool taught us that Mendel was Czech. At least we got each other's backs lol
@@daisyduck4094 He was Moravian German just like many others in Bohemian lands
As an American who went through primary school back in the 70s-80s, I was taught she was French. 😮 I’m so glad you did this video. She should be remembered correctly 🙏
I'm a French teacher, and whenever she comes up in class, I always remind my students that she was originally from Poland and use her full name. Now it's funny, because kids who are already struggling to say French words really don't like me making them say "Skłodowska" too. 🤣
PLEASE UPDATE US ON IT IN THE FUTURE
Thanks for the idea btw if there's a non Polish person I dislike imma make them say Skłodowska🤭
Preach! Teach them the truth and some of it will sink in. You're doing it right.
Poles, we have to protect this French teacher at all costs, please don't die 😌
To be honest, some Polish people struggle with this name as well. I have heard about 'Słodowska' or 'Składkowska'😂😂😂 probably bc 'skłod' doesn't sound like any of modern polish words. Fun fact it resembles the 'squat' word more than any word in nowadays Polish
@@Awanturyna LMAO🤣
This doesn't seem to be common tho, I've been to Poland and encountered a lot of poles in general since I'm a curist, and I never heard anyone who's like that
I didn't know she was Polish, I was taught she was French. Definitely going to make sure my kids are taught better. Thank you for this video and the education!
This is the energy the world needs. Thank you, and greetings from Poland!
That's unfortunately part of the active erasure of Polish culture and people around the world. I'm glad you're willing to learn and fight against it. We appreciate you!
thank you 😚🤍
Copernicus was also Polish, Not Prussian or German. Just throwing that out there while we are at it.
you can tell them Poland is France of eastern Europe too ;)
Bruh. It took your video for me to make the connection between Maria naming Polonium and Poland. Everything you said really highlights how much Maria loved her homeland and valued her Polish identity. As an aside, it's cool that Pierre was willing to move to Poland with her and get another job. We love a good power couple.
It's easier to make this connection in Latin languages, where Poland is usually called Polonia
@@senna8829 That only makes me sound dumber, because my native language is a romance language :) But I'm not referring to the Polonium-Poland etymology, but more so the significance of Maria, a pole, doing so.
As a Lithuanian history student currently living abroad, I can relate to this through and through. Thank you for your wonderful channel, I really enjoy it!
Firstly it is extremely funny when someone call woman feminist icon but at the same time use only surename and nationality of her husband lol. When she herself wanted to have double surename on her second Noble prize.
Well that's what happened when ignorant people try to flex knowledge. It becomes good joke.
And it's funny that you only care about separating her from her husband instead of actually caring about what she wants.
She stopped using Skłodowska to fully honor Pierre Curie in her name. She didn't want her maiden name to be weaponized against him.
Poles have every right to get angry when her identity is being erased
It's Polish erasure from times of occupation all over again. Poles are right to rage.
LMAO do you really think Poles are like "oh no, this brilliant woman's identity is being erased, we must do something!" They just want to take credit for her accomplishments. Which is exceptionally ironic, since she would have spent her life tutoring high school girls, if she stayed in Poland.
Actually they're bunch of spiritual slaves that should't have right to anything.
A woman would not have been allowed such a career in Poland.
@@TapOnX you do realise that in that timeframe poland wasn't an independent state and had miniscule control over its own education system, right? if anything, air that out with russia.
Because they had to fight tooth and nail to preserve their cultural identity and national heritage 😭
Of course it's a big deal. Also Maria herself was a fervent patriot
Yep, freaking Polonium is proof
You mean Maria? 😂
@@majazielinska909 yeah, sorry, i typed this half asleep
I would call Maria a patriot, rather than a nationalist.
@@athag1 english isn't my first language, i thought they meant the same thing 😅
Funnily enough, in russian dub, Wednesday correctly names Marie a Polish scientist
A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
But Jenna doesn't play Wednesday in this movie lol
That's actually wierdly heartwarming
We are pressed about it, because Maria would be pressed about it too. Simple.
Thank you, Karolina, for saying it so eloqently and using your, quite large, platform for raising awareness about Polish history and culture.
the other day i had to give an example of passive voice to my students (i'm an ESL teacher in argentina) and went with "radiation was discovered by MARIA SKŁODOWSKA curie" and i could feel karolina's soul possessing me and cheering 🎉🎉
Except for the fact that she didn't discover radiation, Henri Becquerel did...
@Curiescat-f5f my bad
As a Ukrainian with years of culture erasure by russians I FELT this video. I literally teared up when it was said that Maria Skłodowska-Curie named Polonium after Poland.
Слава Україні!!! I'm Ukrainian too :)
I came to the comments to write this.
But don't mention when Poland had their own empire oops
It's OK I've got Polish relatives I know the struggle
Don't use Blk slang
@@antonyreyn it was one of the most democratic countries of its time, 30% of the population could vote on the next king. It was also VERY multicultural with people escaping ethnic persecusion from the whole Europe. As always, germany and russia destroyed it.
Be proud! She’s the only person to win Nobels in 2 different sciences. Her daughter and son-in-law also shared a Nobel.
Marrying a French guy doesn't make her French. She was born in Poland, period.
But moving to France and becoming a citizen via that marriage, does in fact make her French as well.
@@aurilightsong6330 But she was discriminated by the French for being Polish.
@@aurilightsong6330You see, if you look at it this way, then she was never Polish, because Poland wasn't a country at the time. Warsaw (where she was born) was ruled by the Russian Empire. It seems a bit silly to equate identity with citizenship, doesn't it?
Imo identity defines a person far more than a citizenship. Did all the countries forced to become a part of Soviet Russia suddenly become russian? No, certainly not. Your roots and the roots of the place you come from stays with you. History doesnt disappear just because a flag has changed, it takes generations for such things to change on individual level
@@washulis Exactly!
im not polish, but i get the anger
erasing someone's history is never okay, even if its such a simple thing as "saying they're from another country"
she's polish, lived in france, was still polish - its that easy
Erasing someone's history is always okay, especially polish history.
@@jotbe99ragebait used to be believable
lol becomes ironic now when someone who lives abroad gets to be called a local if its convienient for them too
@@OsirusHandle If someone is successful the immigrant was one of us, if he does something bad, he or she's a foreigner.
@@peterc4082 exactly 🤣
Sure. The Irish can sympathize. They went through the same thing -- for CENTURIES.
Yeah, the Polish and the Irish went through similar scenarios.
Scottish the same. Every time they were just called "British scientist". And what about Welsh? They aren't even mentioned really that often.
@@KateeAngel Sure. But at least “British” is a more general term. Often the Celtic people under British rule are merely called “English.” Thus, the term “English scientists” is applied to Irish, Scottish,or Welsh scientists.
@@bastian33o2even with religion 🫣 *I hope so*
@@CCoburn3 Wales is so erased it's not even on the royal coat of arms
If Marie Curie is French, then everyone who has ever studied abroad is suddenly from that country and all ties to their homeland are cut. Like, it just doesn’t make sense
I have yet to see anyone who calls her fully French. If someone calls her something like German-French then sure rage on that but just calling her French doesn't mean that it's calling her fully French or anything. Besides, it's not like most Polish people call her Polish-French or anything like that...
Fun fact: first woman to sail around the world solo was also Polish - Krystyna Chojnowska-Liskiewicz :)
To put it in some perspective how much Polish people actually care and know about Maria - I literally had a book, aimed for children, entirely about her life and achievements. I got it when I was like, 9 years old - And I loved that book. I read it several times. Similar with Fryderyk Chopin. When I was older and realised people treat these two as if they were French, I was flabbergasted.
I went to her house in Warsaw for a school trip - it was an amazing experience.
Chopin actually was half French and I think that saying he was 100% Polish is also not the best.
@@KatechivonRuskamafia yea bc his father was french, it wasnt cultural or identity just genetics, he grow up in poland, and he loved poland so much most of his works were dedicated to them, he had his heart burried in poland as thats were it belonged
@@retsu9658 He was born in Poland so he was Polish with some French roots from his father side .
@@KatechivonRuskamafia He identified as a Pole though. His music was influenced by Polish folk music too.
Today I learned how hard I've been mispronouncing Lempicka 💀
Hi Bernadette, it's ok, now you know 😁
Let me guess: "Limpika"?
Łempicka ❤
@@arctic_haze"Wempitzka"
Wem pizz🍕 ka
As a Ukrainian, I am always amazed at how similar many historical beats of our countries are. Just in this video, I know this so well:
trying to uphold national identity under occupation, being a complete menace to the occupiers, fighting attempts to erase our culture, -triple all of this if russians are involved- , and subsequently explaining to the whole world that yes, this historical figure was, in fact, one of *our* people.
You know what annoys me the most? It's when American films/tv shows portray her with a very thick French accent. Just no. And i say it as a fellow Varsavian who's been living/working in France and Belgium half of my life.
I also have an issue with ppl calling Chopin French but that's a rant for another day.
BTW the tenement house she was born in (in Warsaw's New Town district) hosts a museum that has been recently renovated. Not a lot of her Warsaw stuff survived our tumultuous history but i still recommend a visit.
Yeah Chopin was literally called Polish by his French friends!! They knew, and people now should know too.
OMG THIS IS SO REAL I WAS LIKE WTF WHEN I WATCHED HER FIRST BIOPIC FROM 1943
she did get a French accent when she got older tho, in 1904 her students said that her Polish accent is barely noticable and we can hear her French accent from 1931
As a Lithuanian studying in Spain, I cant imagine that only if I married a Spaniard and won nobel prizes, to be called Spanish. Its bizarre. Marie was born in Poland to Polish parents, spoke Polish, said she was Polish and visited it often - how the hell is she French? Poland should be proud and keep loud about their genius scientist.
Marie must be rolling in her grave from this nonsense.
Tau nekeista, kad ji Lietuvos visiškai nepaminėjo, kalbėdama apie "Lenkiją", kas realiai buvo Lenkijos karalystė + Lietuvos Didžioji kunigaikštystė, vėliau - Abiejų tautų respublika? Lietuviai išgyveno tą patį š. kaip ir lenkai: teritorijų praradimą, priverstinį kultūrinį, kalbinį asimiliavimą, dalyvavo tuose pačiuose sukilimuose, bet Karolina visą laiką mini tik lenkus, tarsi lietuviai tuo laikotarpiu neegzistavo, o tokia "Lietuva" staiga išdygo tik 20-ame amžiuje kaip naujadaras. Aš jos skundimosi nepateisinu, nes ji lygiai taip pat pakasinėja kitų tautų indėlį Lenkijos istorijoje, visus nuopelnus priskirdama tik lenkams.
And she has discovered Polonium not Frenchium 😂
We are extremely proud of her. There are streets and monuments to her name in Poland.
i wouldnt consider myself very patriotic, especially now, when the meaning of this word got so skewed, but seeing "Marie Curie, a French scentist 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊" always makes my blood boil and "Rota" automatically starts playing in my head
I'm the same. Can't call myself very patriotic and honestly, for the most part, I kind of dislike our country in it's current state. I wish I didn't but it's the truth, I don't really feel Polish, I don't want to stay here, I feel no connection. But at the same time I have nothing but respect for our history and what our ancestors went through, I will always fight for our people being recongized.
Rota głosem tej baby od Biedronia 😭❤
Ma'am, whenever various populists, demagogues and conmen try to steal away and appropriate patriotism from us as citizens, it's all the more a reason to not suffer in silence somewhere in a corner, and to instead defend a healthy expression of patriotism (i.e. real sincere patriotism, without bigotry and small-mindedness) and not allow those populists, demagogues and conmen to steal patriotism from us and warp patriotism's meaning. We need to defend the real substance of genuine patriotism and not allow others to warp it into something bigoted, unfair and untrue.
I like to think of it as patriotism and nationalism being two sides of the same coin, one being a positive and the other - the negative expression of the same feelings. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your heritage and culture, quite the opposite ✌️ It's bad when you actually use it to make yourself feel superior to others. And hurt other people because of it, which people unfortunately often do
@@Jhud69 The ancestors had it worse though. Had they all left, there would have been no Poland. And as some experts say, maybe a war will occur soon and it will be men and women given machine guns and will have to fight to defend the country.
If another person tells me that Maria Skłodowska Curie is french im gonna force them to watch this video
She's French
And I already watched the video. What are you gonna do now?
I have always perceived Maria Skłodowska-Curie as the mother of Polish feminism. Calling her just by Curie or French is denying her huge role in bringing women's equality.
I live in Germany and there's a school nearby called the Marie-Curie Schule. And it's not even a good one. 😑 I wonder if they ever mention "Sklodowska".
Actually, the first Polish feminist is Nawojka :)
Yes refering to a woman by her husband's identity alone is very misogynistic and was really common in the past. And I think Maria really fought against that by keeping her surname
Poland gave suffrage to women ahead of France. And Poland had many women who were just as famous, eg Konopnicka. This is not about feminism, because I bet you, French feminists call her Curie and not Curie-Sklodowska.
@@ingalien8102 As it's Germany then likely they don't believe she was Polish. Germans still have ideas that Bismark and the Austrian painter taught them about us, Poles. Foreign Germans are better. Germans in Germany, mostly hate Poles and think we are backward.
French person here. Thank you for this video. I kinda knew before, very vaguely, that Marie Skłodowska Curie remained attached to her Polish origins her entire life. But now I understand it way more clearly. It's very significant that she kept her first surname when she married. We never hear that name when we mention her in France, we call her "Marie Curie" and nothing else. We also usually say she's French, or French and Polish. I definitely understand that Poles are mad about this mistake. It's disrespectful to her and the entire Polish people.
Skłodowska. You can drop the ł in favour of l. Sklodowska-Curie. That is literally part of the video.
@@kowalskastudio Oh no... This is both funny and embarrassing. Bad habits I guess. Thanks for pointing it out, I'll correct my first comment.
Please call her Maria. Her name is Polish. We don't say Marie.
@@lavellyneI'd disagree with the first name part. 'Marie' is a direct equivalent of polish 'Maria' and - since we're using English at the moment - it's fine to use the former (as long as the person whose name we're using is okay with it, ofc!).
@@noxeus93 in Eglish it is Mary. So there is no reason to use Marie.
It's so crazy how people want to erase her being Polish so much when she worked so hard to preserve it. And also, people’s reasonings are so dumb. Imagine using all of those reasonings for Jose Rizal (who btw, I just realized that they would've been contemporaries), and say that he can't be Filipino 'cause he studied and worked in Europe 😭
A lot of Maria's behavior when she was studying in France reminds me so much of how Rizal was in Europe too. He kept close to other Filipinos and kept missing home so much and wanted to go back home and make the country better. (Sorry can't help but compare since I had Rizal studies last semester)
Colonizers are so damn weird.
My thoughts exactly !
Because she was Polish. The world is made of 3 tiers of nations. The G7 and upstarts who will better them (China), the mid tier and the developing world (Global South). As Poles we get a lot of disdain and we are considered inferior human beings by the G7. But the Global South people have it the worst. The Chinese at least are going to make people respect them and we can see that even the might US is afraid of China. They're not afraid of Russia.
@peterc4082 dawg what r you on about
@@margaretannemuria7952 Which country are you from? One of the Great 7? Or one of those other special ones?
@peterc4082 what part of "imagine claiming Rizal isn't Filipino for working and studying in western europe just like Maria" from my original comment did you not understand?
As a Brazilian Portuguese speaker, saying Skłodowska is kind of easier than Curie.
Just so you know, when I heard that line in the movie, I said out loud "she wasn't French, she was Polish" in the theatre and I only knew that because of your previous video. I broke movie theatre etiquette in service to this correction and I regret nothing.
Never bothering to learn about her from even a simple biography and only knowing that she's Polish from a video you coincidentally watched is not something to be proud of. It does not make you superior.
As a Bulgarian, I relate to this a lot. Westerners just don't understand that there is a pro-western bias in the world, and because acknowledging it would make them uncomfortable, without even realising it, they choose to choose their eyes.
And yet Karolina "forgot" to mention Great Duchy of Lithuania while talking about Poland. The territory, which she showed wasn't just Poland, but Polish Lithuanian commonwealth, which is current day: Poland, Lithuania, Belarus and part of Ukraine. All these different ethnicities were under one flag, fighting together the same enemies for 400+ years but Karolina scraped all of this and chose to talk only about Poles, like they were the only victims. Lithuanians were joining Poles in every uprising and many also were imprisoned and killed. Lithuanian language and culture were also under attack by Russian Empire. You can read topics like "Book smuggling" on Wikipedia. It is upsetting, that a Polish woman complains that Westerners don't give proper credit to Poles, while at the same time she doesn't give ANY credit to Poland's neighboring countries which were contributing greatly in Poland's history.
@@Kamane-bee I don't think she meant any harm, but thank you, you are correct, and I will read up on it, since today we still feel the effects of those events
I'm from Spain and in school we are taught that she was Polish. I think on it as basic culture.
Also, Karolina, you look specially great in this video.
As a Bulgarian I understand you and I feel you!
Love your channel!
Its like when Tyra Banks kept expressing that Katarzyna Dolinska's name was difficult to say on cycle 10 of America's Next Top Model, even though she repeated it every...single...week...and Tyra would either joke about it or give up on it. Like girl.
Then her modeling agency just shortened it to "Kat Doll". *Price is Right sad theme*
Honestly, I believe it is part of the reason why she was eventually eliminated. Banks is a very egoistic, arrogant person who really keeps grudges; she was getting more and more resentful over the fact a contestant dares to correct her
Growing up in the US I was always taught that Marie Curie was very proud of her polish heritage. I had chemistry teacher AND a history teachers make a point to teach about how proudly polish she was, and how femenisit her relationship was for the time.
So why are you not using her full name?
@Fluwia I didn't learn how to spell it and wasn't gonna look it up for a TH-cam comment--I shouldn't even be in the comments rn I'm at work.
But yes, I remembered she kept her last name and brought it up with my fiance before it was mentioned in the video lol she's actually why decided as a kid to always keep my long and hard to say last name even if i married!
Same... I always learned of her as polish who made her discoveries in France
@@theob.6588if you dont have polish signs on your phone it would be „Sklodowska” 😊
@@theob.6588 if you know now, then improve, instead of continuing your blissful ignorance. How about I call you American-English?
LOUDER! I haaaate how slavic people (especially women) from countries that were opressed literally for hundreds of years are treated as if they didnt exist or as if their achievments happened just because the "amazing" west helped them. While studying in the uk I was shocked how ignorant people are towards slavs - from not even trying to pronounce my surname to teachers saying genuinely crazy misinformation about my country to my face. And dont even let me started on the representation in western media - either weird old grandma, whore with "seductive" body or mentally ill girl that weights like 15kg 🙃we will never be free
also the constant "You're [insert a Slavic nationality]? But your English is so good!"
While being in the UK, I once got a "compliment" from an English friend who said "when you said 'goodbye' just then, you almost sounded British"... Made me almost start rolling my R's excessively out of spite. Really shows the western Europe mentality of "the only good immigrant is the completely assimilated one".
Oh woah. I'm from an African country and my experience is the same ! Who would have thought being irritated with ignorance would bring us together 😂! For me l'll add when lm asked 'show us the African dance'. Like africa is a country and we all dance the same plus we all know how tp dance apparently.
tbf a bunch of people i've met can barely introduce themselves in english @KarolinaŻebrowskax
@@tyalangand if someone insinuated i sounded English i would fight them.
I love this video! I am from Germany, so as neighbouring country, we always were taught that Marie Curie was actually from Poland, but the fact about naming the first element she discovered Polonium really brings it home! I never thought about that, even though my husband is a chemist, and we used to have the periodic table of elements as a shower curtain.
As a Canadian who's had Polish friends, Americans will never understand the pride you hold for the 12 famous people from your country.
My Swiss ass holding onto Roger Federer, Paracelsus and Euler like my life depends on it
As a brazilian, i can attetst that is true. we may not be the most unitet countrie, but we would all go to war against the US just to defend the honour of Alberto Santos Dumont
Yes we will.
@gisela_oliveira most sane Americans are with you.
LITERALLY
We are a bit cursed, Maria Sklodowska Curie - French! Kopernik - German, Chopin - French… They just won’t let us keep our achievements 😂 and let's nit forget about Joseph Conrad 😂
In the US, as a pianist, it’s drilled into our head that Chopin is Polish and moved to France. He wrote Polish songs which are very popular in the USA-unfortunately Polish musicians don’t like the songs, saying they’re too simple and folky 😆 I like them tho
I have never heard anyone call Nikola Kopernik German, it was always Polish.
Omg I was getting so uppity watching this video, especially as someone living abroad. Then I read this comment and I swear I believed Chopin was French. I’m so sorry 😭 the erasure is real 🤦🏻♀️
With Kopernik, the contestation of his nationality is kinda fair, as back when he lived (between 15th -16th century), there was no concept of nationality, and we don't have a clue how he identified himself.
Who tf calls Copernicus German
Honestly, I'd be pissed too, you guys are 100% right
This miraculously ties in with my experiences of getting called a self-centered liar for suggesting soviet symbolism is not the best way to promote anti-capitalism. Honestly, the way western coloniser nations are so happy to erase history or otherwise be completely blind to it.
why are Polish people so obsessed with Marie Curie being Polish? BeCaUsE sHe WaS PoLiSh!!! Also, I met a guy from Canada who was sure that Chopin was French 😭 I assume that's common too. Which is heartbreaking, because Chopin was a refugee. Erasing his identity like that is so wrong.
Not only was he a refugee, but also his final wish was for his heart to return to Poland after his death. I'm not as pressed about recognizing his heritage as I am about recognizing how he identified. To disregard it so callously is monstrous.
i’m a pianist and chopin is definitely by far my favourite composer (ignore the fact that i usually end up crying out of frustration whenever i try to learn a new chopin piece lol) but the first time i saw his name spelt as Fryderyk, rather than Frédéric, i thought it was mistyped or something, and then i went down a rabbit hole and by the end of it i was furious about the erasure of his polish identity, which was very proud of and very vocal about (he wanted his heart to be buried in poland after he died)
Ugh,that Canadian Imbecile!
Fuck it! Let's call everyone born in Canada between:
- X and XI century Norse
- 1498 and 1585 Portuguese
- 1535 and 1762 French,
- 1762 and 1931 British (theoretically 1867, but it was still part of the British Empire)
This makes list of historically significant Canadians quite short.
@@Mia199603 Yes, self-identification is key, but his heritage is also very important, as much of his music was inspired by Polish dances and folk traditions. I remember, as a teenager many years ago, randomly hearing one of his pieces on the radio, not one of his most famous, and thinking, 'That sounds so Polish!' without even knowing it was his. Of course one can think of it as an expression of his identity, but what I mean is that: damn people! You can clearly hear he was a Pole!
Well, at least in Chopin's case, his father was French.
I also notice the eternal laziness in pronouncing Polish names. Last I saw Chmielowski was called Szimolowsky(!?). Well, not everything has to be easy, it's something like the McDonaldization of culture.
My fave is pronouncing 'kaczynski' as 'kazeenskee'. Like bruh maybe like put minimal effort into it?
This. Honestly I don't even care if somebody pronounces our names perfectly, that's not what I want at all. I just want to see an ATTEMPT and EFFORT, which I pretty much never see. And it's sad. It doesn't take that long at ALL to look up a name, even type it in Google Translate or even check the Wikipedia page and listen to the pronunciation then try to say it yourself.
Whenever I watch British TV and there's a Polish surname or other Polish name that gets butchered, I wonder. There are SO MANY of us there. Soooo many. Ask your Polish colleague, they'll tell you. No Polish colleague? Someone's going to have a Polish friend, wife/husband, flatmate, neighbour, builder, cleaner. Heck, go to the Polish shop and ask the shop assistant, they'll pronounce the word for you. Or, you know, go modern and go on the Internet. Type it into Google translate and let it read it to you... Or, for a more personal touch, ask people on Twitter, IG, wherever. Guaranteed, you're going to get someone who transcribes an anglicised pronunciation or straight up records it for you - it takes seconds to do. But no, let's laugh at how difficult it is to pronounce and how funny the language is.
I know it’s a less serious example, but explaining my name, Ewa, to British people is impossible. Like no, it’s not Eve or Eva, it’s Ewa. It’s not that hard to pronounce, but they always feel the need to make it English or act, as if it’s super hard to pronounce.
@pitulanek this is even way to ingrained in polish people that they have to make it easier for others to pronounce their names - I have so many colleagues that shorten their names to Gosia, Kasia, Ola etc. And honestly, they shouldn't have to. We all have a higher education or even Phds, our brains are able to learn how to pronounce names.
Here in Chicago we have a Marie Sklodowska Curie High School. Does it use the French version of her first name? Yes. Is it often just called "Curie HS?" Also yes. But using her maiden name at all is wayyyyy more respect to her Polish identity than is usually paid in the US where she's mostly just known as "French science woman."
Makes sense considering Chicago has a lot of Polish cultural heritage.
@claudiadarling9441 Yup! That neighborhood used to be predominantly Polish too, I think. Lots of Polish street names. It's mostly Latino these days.
to be fair if i remember correctly she used both variants (Maria/Marie) when she signed her documents so i don't think it's some terrible mistake
@@jobda1211Back then, adapting your given name to the language you were currently writing in was pretty common. Karl Marx signed his French language letters "Charles"
And in Poland we sometimes do that too. Calling her husband 'Piotr', Charles Darwin is 'Karol Darwin' (with polish pronounciation! So more Darrrrrvin) or my fav Kartezjusz (Descartes). Nowadays the trend is to keep original names, my guess is our society is better educated now so French or English names are not that hard for us, we know how to pronounce them and we are less ashamed of our pronounciation than the previous generations. For people who only learn Russian as the foregain language, it was hard to read English or French names, so at these times (PRL and before) a polonised version of names were created, i guess to make them easier to pronounce and remember. You can still find them in older books. as i said, with modern people we rather keep them original, but some of these older names are probably too stuck in our brains. For Pierre and Charles i see the chance (although, for example, we calm the king Karol even now!), but i guess for Descartes it is kinda too late, he will remain Kartezjusz forever
Thank you for this video, Karolina! It was so refreshing to hear this perspective from someone else. In a Ukrainian school we were taught her story and it was incredibly inspiring to me. We have the same approach to treating our authors and scientists, who’s achievements are more often then not attributed to other cultures. It’s so common for me to have to explain that a particular famous person is in fact Ukrainian and that our culture did in fact have a significant impact on the world. I subscribed for the fashion content, but would greatly appreciate such videos too! Experiencing similar feelings as Maria currently studying abroad and will definitely read the autobiography. Thanks for the lead :)
I like saying "Curie" with a thick Polish accent after saying her full name. High-key recommend
This is genius
@@FuryClouds is it Maria Kuria?👍
Polluting french language with barbaric pronunciation should't be recommended, actually.
@@jotbe99 What makes French a better language than other language?
Maria Skłodowska-Kiri, the famous cream cheese inventor (hilariously enough, the Kiri brand is french)
As a Ukrainian, it’s so relatable, Russian Empire fucked up our culture, too. When you culture is erased for centuries and now when we are trying to restore it and someone calls a prominent Ukrainian - Russian, my blood starts boiling and a lot of people abroad are just like “you are overreacting”. so I totally get it why Polish people are pissed off in this situation. Thank you for the video!
@@marikafasola3780such an obvious bot, try harder
@@bubunistka indeed.
@@marikafasola3780 Russian bot detected
@@marikafasola3780 what about polish signs like "ł" and "ó", huh?
@@marikafasola3780 I’m Polish I know about the massacre. You on the other hand, are either Russian or 14
Here in Brazil we learn that Maria SKŁODOWSKA Curie was polish. I've never seen (here) any mention of her being french. Maybe this is a french (or some other countries) thing?
*including US.
MariA SKŁODOWSKA-Curie
In Czechia we learn about her being a polish scientist working in France
@@h.l.5103 You're right. Sorry. I made the correction. Curiously, Maria in my language is also Maria (one more reason for me to remember not to write it Marie) Thanks.
Il French and I've rarely seen her be called French here either, like outside of weirdo nationalists most people know she's Polish
as an Ukrainian I absolutely get it. not being a "big european nation" is hard, for some reason everyone will call your famous people any other nation except for what they really are... sometimes it can be hard, but not in situations when they obviously state who they are like Marie did. it's very important to talk about, we all need our famous people to feel better about being ourselves
As a Bangladeshi who has had a similar history of erasure and oppression as Poland, the outrage is 100% justified.
can’t believe i am now a czech person for studying in a czech university 😍🇵🇭✨
Lol vítej
i don't know if it's on purpose but cudos for using filipines flag
@@Hana_H ahoj 😍🇸🇮
čus pičus
Day 1 of asking for "Lalka" series and Sienkiewicz Trilogy films from the 70s fashion analysis
I beg
Tak!!!
This!
Karolina MUSISZ
PLEASE
a fun unrelated fact: Maria Curie was almost snubbed out from her first Nobel Prize. The committee wanted to honor only her husband, but he spoke out for her and said if she is not recognized along with him, he would refuse the prize.
Maria Skłodowska-Curie
And you are literally doing what the whole video was complaining about..
@@kami761complaining about what? A nonexistent issue?
Maria was 24 years old when she left. She was better educated than many of her French colleagues at university. They act as if France gave her all the knowledge. A silly Polish woman came and it was the French who enlightened her. Aleksander Wolszczan discovered the first extrasolar system and did not receive the Nobel Prize. In 2019, two Swiss men were awarded for discovering extrasolar planets...This is another example of our history being erased, distorted and ridiculed. For example, jokes about Poles in the USA. There is a book called Hollywood's War with Poland. How Poles were made into the worst scum because the Americans didn't like the fact that their ally (Russia) cooperated with the Germans. During the war, propaganda bits were played before every film and the victim was turned into someone who was not worth feeling sorry for.
@@joannakowalczyk1040 They were awarded the prize specifically "for the discovery of an exoplanet orbiting a solar-type star" which is significant in-and-of-itself, and not every first gets a Nobel prize anyway. The French dismissal of Skłodowska-Curie is horrible, but Poland has had several scientists win Nobels besides her.
I would also like to note, as an American, that Polish jokes have fortunately largely disappeared from our public consciousness. I remember finding a 70s joke book as a kid (mid-90s) that had some "Pol*ck" jokes and being confused at why these were even jokes. Like, not in a "these jokes are bad and xenophobic" way but a "wait, this was a thing? people disliked Poles enough to make jokes?" I know better now about the history, of course, but I've never once heard a fellow American crack a xenophobic Polish joke. Italian joke, maybe, but Poles no. Maybe older people in NYC or Chicago still crack them, but it's not something I've heard from people my age or in my East Coast city.
and can you name one who won besides maria? it's like calling robert lewandowski a spanish because he plays for fc barcelona, i.e. completely unrelated. it's very important for polish people because it's our history, our pride and even maria skłodowska wanted to be remember as a polish woman not french. she died for good of science but for good of poland too. @dado__
@@m3llilla I'm sorry, but I think you misread my comment. I explicitly said treating Skłodowska-Curie as a French person is wrong.
And yes, I can. Lech Wałęsa, for winning the peace prize. Europe has a ton of countries and it's not like I can remember laureates for every one, so it's an unfair question. Hell, my parents are Portuguese and we have 2 laureates, one of which got it for *inventing lobotomy* so it's hardly an honor. Could you name either of them without checking?
@@dado__genezą Polish Jokes było to że największą falą imigranci z Polski byli chłopi z Galicji czyli obecnych terenów Polski Południowo-Wschodniej i Zachodnien Ukrainy. Ludzie żyjący bardzo biednie, bez wykształcenia i bez znajomości świata oddalonego dalej niż 20 km od wsi (w Galicji kolej była bardzo słabo rozwinięta). Ci ludzie byli pracowici ale tak przyzwyczajeni do biedy i złych warunków że traktowano ich jak jakiś dzikusów. Nie znali języka, przez co nie kupywali ziemi rolnej i pracowali za najniższe stawki. Dlatego ciężko się integrowali i budowali swoiste getta. Jeszcze trzeba dodać to, że Amerykanie rasistowski podchodzili do każdego narodu katolickiego. Najpierw źle traktowali Irlandczyków, potem przerzucili się na Włochów a potem na Polaków. Wzmocnieniem Polish Jokes były walka o równouprawnienie że strony Czarnych Amerykanów. Ale wcześniej było to zakończenie wojny i oddanie Polski oraz całego regiony Europy Środkowo-Wschodniej w ręce Stalina. Chciano "udowodnić" że Polacy to nieudacznicy, którzy przegrali własny kraj (Polska broniła się miesiąc i to gdy walczyła na dwa fronty ze Związkiem Radzieckim, potężna Francja upadła po trzech tygodniach, walcząc tylko z Niemcami ale mając bardzo złe dowództwo główne, gdy Niemcy mieli duże szczęście). Ale też swoje zrobiło przepisanie na Polaków amerykańskiej winy za brak reakcji na Holocaust. Byłam w Muzeum Auschwitz dosłownie 1,5 miesiąca temu i też na głównej wieży strażniczej. Strażnicy widzieli cały teren. Nie było mowy o podkopach bo Niemcy wlali pod ogrodzenia beton na głębokość 1 metra (3,3 stopy). Był drut kolczasty, pod napięciem, uzbrojone wieże strażnicze co 150 m, a sam obóz był wybudowany w dalszej odległości od zabudowań czy wręcz Niemcy wysiedlali mieszkających w pobliżu Polaków. Nie było mowy o szturmie sił partyzanckich. Tylko regularne wojsko miało szanse na wyzwolenie całego obozu. Ci ludzie, którzy uciekli uciekali albo w przebraniu albo pracowali/mieli znajomych w takich oddziałach obozowych gdzie łatwiej było o ucieczkę.
Tf? It's well documented that she was struggling due to the high level of the Sorbonne
Finally someone mentions that the flying university was actually organised by a woman! I remember how at my school during history lessons we would be taught it was all about men fighting for freedom and ladies "just wearing" some patriotic jewellery or clothes...
The same reason people in my family do the same with any famous indigenous person “people tried to erase us and we can’t let them do it again”
I still remember during Black History Month, my wyt teacher was proud to say Crispus Attucks was famous for being mixed Black and Indigenous. I wanted to know what he was famous for. She doubled down and reiterated his ancestry, even when I reminded her I’m also Black and Indigenous, as is my paternal family, it’s not unusual.
Later that year she badmouthed my dad for having mixed Indigenous ancestry.
I was just thinking that, & im a child of immigrants For some Every day is Truth and Revonciliation Day
My great grandfather left Chełm to “escape the Russians” I never gave it much thought until I looked into what was going on there at the time. He married another Polish immigrant and lived in a Polish speaking area (Hamtramck, Michigan). My mom wasn’t allowed to learn Polish because the pressure to assimilate was huge in the 50s. My mom still is sad she was never able to learn it.
I'm Egyptian and I wholeheartedly sympathize.
Thanks! Before this video I didn't know her polish family name.
whaaat, that's a huge donation :O
The Polish people have had to go through so much at home and abroad, they have every right to tenaciously hold on to their successes.
Thank you so much for this video! I'm directing the play "Radium Girls" and Maria does make an appearance onstage. I will be sure to have my actress learn the polish accent (and do it well), and have her actual name in our programs
I hope you have fun in making it wrong.
She had a Polish accent when she first arrived in France. Not in the 1920s. By 1904 it was already reported that her Polish accent in French is barely noticable. There is a recording of her voice from 1931 with a French accent.
@Curiescat-f5f thank you for correcting me! It's my goal to be accurate, but obviously I'm not a historian.
Maybe while I do research on her, you could do some research on how to correct people in a kind way! Learning is so fun.
Hope that helps!
@@rhiannynmccauley6461 I apologise. Honestly I can't know from a comment if I'm talking to someone who's willing to learn or someone who's just trying to erase her French identity disguised as promoting her Polish identity.
Would you want me to help in providing some resources about researching on her?
Karolina is doing the Lord's work
I can totally understand why Polish people would want to rip sh*t up over this. I knew she was Polish but not much else; now with more context I'm 100% on board with getting people to do better on this one
So you are willing to erase her French identity over a nonexistent issue?
Hi ! I'm french with polish roots (my great grand mother's name was Irena Brzezińska, she arrived in France during the 30's). I'm very proud of this heritage and I'm trying to learn polish. Thanks for your content, it helps me to understand a missing part of myself ❤ The erasure of Maria Skłodowska-Curie's identity is very problematic for polish culture and history. Also, misogyny is a big part of the problem imo.
Sorry for my poor english and thanks a lot for your work ❤❤
Powodzenia w nauce! ❤
God bless you Karolinka 🙏 for explaining this so eloquently ❤
Much love from proud Polish American 🤍❤️
Ty też jesteś naszą reprezentantką. Potrzebujemy osób które na anglojęzycznym YT będą opowiadały ludziom o naszym kawałku świata, bo jak robi to ktoś z innego kraju , to zazwyczaj połowę przekręci. Tobie wychodzi to z gracją i nienachalnie. Dzięki za ten filmik.
As a Dominican living in Poland I have been so pleasantly surprised with how many important people were born in Poland❤❤❤❤
5:54 to this day I remember reading The Labors of Sisyphus (Syzyfowe Prace) by Stefan Żeromski. If anyone is interested in a story (what we would call "coming of age" these days) set in those times I recommend it. It was based on the author's experience at school during russification
I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WHO ACTUALLY LIKED "SYZYFOWE PRACE" 😭😭😭
First (and last) novel I ever read in Polish. Not because it wasn't good, but, as Karolina says, "I am not going to lie" -- Polish really is a hard language for foreigners. The letters of the alphabet look like Latin letters, but the combinations produce very unexpected sounds for the non-Polish people.
@@Mearait’s very informative, but I hate how the main character is written. It was interesting because of the historical context it gives about how russification worked.
@@ewa1629 my thoughts exactly, I'm not a huge fan of Borowicz either.
To be completely honest, Żeromski is not my favourite novelist and the film version of _Syzyfowe Prace_ ( released in 2000) is the one case when I liked the adaptation more than the original book.