I think it's something that should be talked about, since in most games applying a silencer usually reduces damage, probably due to said subsonic ammo. The loudness of suppressed firearms they were talking about is because of that sound barrier bang.
@Atman Gotango Any subsonic pistol cartridge will not be even close to painfully loud. In fact most of the noise from the gun will be from the action cycling or ricochets.
@Atman Gotango I'm not sure what the suppressor make it model was. It wasn't my gun, but it was very nice to shoot, and even better shooting it without ear protection.
@Atman Gotango I imagine the Glock test you reffered to was done with standard 9mm ammo, which I do believe is slightly past supersonic. In regard to .22 LR, definitely an effective round if you can get a good shot. My uncle has told stories of dropping rather large cows with .22s, and I think i've heard tales of even black bears being brought down with a single .22 LR round. Meanwhile I've personally experienced a group of 4 guys with bad aim (myself included in that group) put something like 14 high powered rifle rounds into a cow before dropping it. You gotta be a bit more precise to kill effectively with a smaller round, but even big rounds you still gotta hit.
More of the difference between broadcasting to a 5 mile radius and broadcasting to a 2-3 mile radius instead. even a 9mm running subsonic ammo and a good suppressor is still audible pretty far and can still damage your hearing. 22s and purpose built suppressed weapons like the welrod are truly quiet though.
@@acceptablecasualty5319 there is nothing you can do with an AR or AK to run sub sonic ammo. And by the time you’re slowing a round down below 1,100 FPS it becomes unreliable with terminal ballistics you’re basically turning something like a 5.56 into a 22 long rifle in fact 22 LR has more velocity with a bullet that is only a little lighter than that of a 5.56 55 grain round.
No, a suppressor does not increase accuracy at any appreciable level, however it does increases muzzle velocity , but only marginally (10-20fps depending of various variables).
@@frostskog7958 A heavier firearm improves accuracy for follow-up shots. As the firearm kicks, the more mass in the firearm, the less displacement from the target. Unfortunately it does make it a bit heavier for initial target acquisition.
No Idea YT Y’know this is probably r/woosh but if it isn’t, then recoil is basically how much the gun kicks back every time you shoot, this is why in most games, anything that upgrades recoil also upgrades accuracy.
Cale The Nail! PB lmao 😂. This comment is funny as fuck. I had just saw that part and was like dude, you just got shot 🥴. Or the part where the dude got shot in the head and was like “he got me but I don’t give a fuck” 😂.
Valconize lmfao dude I was wondering the same thing and what's funny is that my dad and I were literally just talking about suppressors and subsonic ammunition. I've asked my dad about things like this multiple times to confirm my suspicions about it. Cause why not.
I actually love how Breakpoint utilize their suppressors. It's quite realistic, or it tries to be at least. If you shoot with a big caliber gun suppressed near enemies, they will hear the shot. Lower calibers' sound are a bit softer, tho not vanished completely. Depending how far the enemies are away from you when you are firing.
@@youronlyhope4383 Because the proper term is actually suppressor as silencer would imply it completely silences the gun which it doesn't, it only suppresses them. The title was cause in video games they call them silencers because they literally silence the guns in most games lol. It's a common misconception.
Both terms are commonly used, but there is an effort to squash the term "silencer" because it misrepresents the function of the device. As long as it's misrepresented and portrayed as a scary tool of assassins, it's easy to restrict it's ownership.
The decreased bullet velocity and “damage” for installing a suppressor in video games is likely to play on the idea that installing one means the person is using sub sonic rounds (which in some cases are significantly lower velocity than their super sonic counterparts, eliminating the sonic boom of breaking the sound barrier).
yeah the subsonic ammo has a velocity lower than 340 m/s. other than the normal 9x19mm para velocity lowes: 274m/s highest: about 600m/s and most rifles chambered in 5.56x45 are nearly Mach 3 the SG550 has a muzzle velocity of 905m/s
Some gun/suppressor combos do actually lower bullet velocity. The MP5SD is not an example of this, however the same result is achieved. The MP5SD actually has large amounts of porting right after the chamber, which allows enough gas to escape into the suppressor to essentially turn any 9mm ammo into subsonic ammo. Forgotten Weapons has a really good video detailing this.
It would not make sense from a realism standpoint however. Subsonics are mostly used for sporting purposes, and military use is extremely limited. For instance, the US military does not issue subsonics with their suppressors for good reason. Rifles turn into peashooters if you switch to subsonics.
@@deanc91 Not necessarily. Subsonic rounds are made mostly by increasing the weight of the projectile. That changes ballistic trajectory, stabilization and other things but not kinetic energy. A higher mass bullet at lower speed carries the same energy than a lower mass, high speed one. The reason the military doesn't use subsonics is they like to keep logistics simple and for military applications subsonics make little sense. Subsonic high powered rifles are a joke though, you cannot increase the bullet size nearly enough to go subsonic you have to decrease power by a large amount. But SMG's can use subsonic ammo that's about as effective.
I always wondered why the Welrod was such a hideous gun. Knowing that it's meant to look like random industrial metal/material when disassembled, they actually did a good job. If I saw pieces of that lying around I wouldn't think much of it at a glance.
I've always assumed the videogame downside of lower damage/range could be explained by the use of subsonic ammo or shorter barrels making ammo subsonic. And some games do in fact accurately depict the lower recoil!
In regards to accurate games, try Escape From Tarkov. you can hear a suppressed mosin from across a shopping mall, either causing players to flock there to kill and loot, or run away. they also have a great advantage, as you mentioned in the video, of reducing muzzle flash. this makes suppressors in tarkov quite useful, yet don't have any damage tradeoffs, due to how you can lose all of your gear in a matter of seconds from a mis-timed shot or drawing attention to yourself, causing you to be killed.
@@TheFaizParadise I've never played DayZ. if you mean you can lose everything when you head out, and are constantly trying to earn money and get new weapons, then yes.
@@TheFaizParadise no it's nothing like Dayz. apart from looting and killing :P. i highly recommend Escape From Tarkov though. it's the most epic hardcore an realistic shooter i've ever played! :P
I always tell people "For the most part, silencers make gun shots as loud as a non-gun person probably thinks they are normally". There's some exception to this based on ammo types and such but it's a good generalization
Devils advocate: suppose in a video game when you add a suppressor it also switches from supersonic to subsonic ammunition - this could justify many of the changes to the stats ( and is the only plausible explanation for how you could make a gun even half as quiet as is portrayed). Im aware I’m generalising but as a rule of thumb: (1) Subsonic bullets have a lower effective range as they are heavier and obviously move slower, meaning you get increased drop and more drift. (2) Slower bullets are generally less effective against armour: if you assume every in-game character is wearing armour this would justify a damage decrease. (3)This is much more variable but subsonic ammo is often considered to have less “stopping power” (if you half the velocity you need to quadruple the mass to achieve the same energy) so again lower damage could be justified. Ditto, rounds such as hollow points often expand less reliably at lower velocities (although they aren’t supposed to be used by the military anyway!) (4) Multiplayer modifiers that disguise your shots on the minimap (like in CoD) are actually pretty accurate, although the sound reduction of suppressors is limited they do make it much harder to pinpoint where the sound is coming from. Also what the video doesn’t mention is that one of the biggest tactical benefits of suppressors is communication: evidence suggests troops work far more effectively together when using suppressed weapons. For context I’m from the UK where suppressors are surprisingly loosely regulated: in theory you need to give the police a good reason to add one to your license but hearing protection is pretty much universally accepted. Outside of shotguns and target rifles suppressors are the norm, every shooter I know who owns a hunting rifle has a can on it (although they often still use supersonic). Baffles me (pardon the pun) how the US will let pretty much anyone own a pistol or semi-auto long gun yet makes you jump through so many hoops to get something that reduces the report of a firearm to somewhere between a chainsaw and a jet taking off!
"Also what the video doesn’t mention is that one of the biggest tactical benefits of suppressors is communication: evidence suggests troops work far more effectively together when using suppressed weapons." How?
This is because suppressors were firmly embedded in the psyche of many Americans (even back then) as something associated with criminals, so when the National Firearms Act was passed (as a kneejerk reaction to the Valentine's Day Massacre, among other gangland crime), suppressors got lumped in with automatic weapons and short-barreled rifles and short-barreled shotguns as scarybad.
Silencers / Suppressors / Moderators are (Practically) unregulated in the UK, and it's considered rude to hunt without one. Repeal the NFA and Hughes Amendment.
Fun fact - suppressors were added to the NFA not because of fears of violence, but because of fears that suppressors would let poor people poach largely undetected on rich people's lands. Remember, the NFA is a creature of the Depression, when people got their dinner any way they could.
As a big shooter, it's nice to see a video like this! Suppressors aren't some magic thing that should be regulated like they are. They're a good tool for safer shooting
They have the advantage over hearing protection, such as ear plugs, in that they protect the hearing of _everyone_ who is nearby, not just the shooter.
I've seen one on TH-cam, that combined with subsonic ammo is basically magic. There's barely any difference between dry fire and actual fire, the main difference is you hear where the bullet hits.
@DaCasa13. Are suppressors restricted in some way where you are? Here, suppressors are over-the-counter items and getting the end of the barrel threaded for a suppressor is a common modification.
I’ve always imagined the reduced damage/bullet velocity of suppressors in games to be a side effect of using subsonic ammunition to compliment the suppressors
Good point cause I was gonna say if you don't change ammunition alot of times a suppressor would actually increase velocity thus extending range/damage
@weebles yeah it's big fun that everybody in your country i killing each other. And now give them a suppressor.. Yeah.. How many folks could there be in one big country 😂😂
Stick a slide lock on one too to get rid of the not inconsiderable noise of the mechanics too. Sure, you have to eject your bullet manually but who cares.
So as someone who works on firearms for a living ill drop some truths: -One of the most iconic firearms is James Bond's suppressed PPK. PPK's in real life are a terrible suppressor platform due to the handgun being blowback. This means the firearm has no locked breach and freely slides back when fired. Most firearms have a system that has to unlock when opening to allow the chamber drop to safe pressure levels before ejecting. PPK does not utilize such a system because its round is so anemic (.380 ACP). As such having a suppressor on the gun creates more back-pressure and causes a host of problems when attempting to suppress it. -The biggest three factors of suppression are this 1: Is it supersonic? if yes it will have a sonic boom when coming out of the barrel making it way louder. 2: what type of cartridge is used? some rounds like .45 ACP or .22LR are excellent rounds to have a suppressed gun based around due to them being either really quiet like in 22's case or naturally subsonic like in 45's. and 3: how much gas can get out of the gun? A firearm say like a AK-47 have gasses being vented at the gas block thus lowering the effect of the suppressor, well that and the action is very loud to begin with. But with a bolt action firearm all the gasses go out the muzzle and very little gas is escaping so suppressors tend to work better on manually operated firearms. -At 8:55 you say there is little or no downside to sticking a suppressor on the end of a rifle or SMG, This is not true. First not every gun is good suppressor host and can cause huge reliability problems especially in full auto. You wont mag dump 210+ rounds out of a suppressor without damaging it potentially since suppressors overheat quite easily. It increases weight, It increases weapon length and both are downsides. If you want to suppress a rifle cartridge and still keep it subsonic you loose out on a lot of range and lethal energy due to having to load rounds to move slower. This is why huge rounds like .458 SOCOM exist, because 5.56 is a fast moving round out of AR15's and the sonic boom is a constant problem when using 5.56 for suppressor applications. -Decreased damage and bullet velocity and range is not entirely unrealistic. What makes believable is that you are assuming they are using subsonic ammunition. For instance 5.56 ammo normally hits around 1,200 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle with a effective range out of a 16" rifle of about 550 yards, moving at a speed of 3,200 feet per second. Subsonic 5.56 has a energy of around 300 foot pounds, moving at a speed of 1000 feet per second with a effective range of about 200 yards. 5.56 being one of the most extreme examples of this. You get energy two ways: Velocity and Bullet weight and since most newer cartridges favor velocity over weight for many reasons suppressed guns typically go for the heavier slower rounds to stay subsonic. If suppressors worked realistically in video games it would be quite involved in what guns they could be used on and what rounds would be feed into said guns.
"Decreased damage and bullet velocity and range is not entirely unrealistic." It's not, but when all you do is slap a suppressor and then everything goes quiet and your damage is reduced while the projectile velocity remains the same... That's a question mark right there. It's definitely a balancing mechanism for the game, but it takes away realism thus a "false" info being fed subconsciously into the audience.
For anyone interested, they show a model 1 Welrod, despite the Mk ll being much better representation of the majority of Welrods used (as I understand) and more prevalent in video games, looking like industrial equipment/a bike pump (quite convincing I might add), though it’s very nice to see early versions of firearms be shown, not just the latest and most advanced, especially something I for one had never seen before (it caused quite the initial confusion!)
“Sneaking throughout Outer Haven” *Shows Shadow Moses* Snake is also known to be on Outer Haven considering they send some Outer Heaven troops and GEKKOs onto the deck after snake lands on it. So Outer Heaven, the fortress seen in MG1 is prob what your looking for
I’ve handled a .762 suppressed with subsonic loading and I’d say it sounded about like disconnecting a hose from an air compressor while still delivering the same energy at 100 yards as a .45 ACP at the muzzle.
Suppressed weapons are sometimes paired with subsonic ammo... heavier rounds travelling slower, no supersonic crack, travelling silently through the air. The John Wick scene could be possible with audio no more than the sound of a Swingline stapler with the right subsonic ammo and some weapon harmonics tuning.
Suppressors *do* have a drawback, weapon handling, slapping a suppressor on the end of a gun is literally adding an extra pound or so of extra weight to the end of the barrel; making whatever firearm you're using feel significantly different when you're waving it around. It can become extremely uncomfortable after a lot of time.
Take a .22 with some .22 shorts and you can have a practically silent firearm, outside of the mechanical workings of the gun. Would be completely viable as a nearly silent killer at close ranges.
yup, tried a 22 who had the whole barrel built inside a huge silencer, you just heard the firing pin hit the cartridge. was a louder smack from the inpact.
there have been suppressors and subsonic rounds for a 9mm utilized to pretty dang close to total silence before, and nobody even thinks about how the action still makes a clack as it closes(which is louder than you may think). thats actually why the welrod had a twist-open action, which was arguably a bolt action and quieter than a semi-auto. just sayin'.
Gerry Williams , Well, I mean, Edison said that AC was better at killing people than DC and we all know that's bullshit now. Then again, Thomas Edison was a POS in general. It was called a silencer because not only was pretty much silent relative to the sound of a gunshot then but it was mainly for marketing purposes. Not to mention that a suppressed .22 short is pretty much silent. Point is, just because you call chicken shit chicken salad does not make it so.
@Easliy Displeased, I would love to know what you meant by "never mind;" it's as if I inquired something previously of you. You say something about what you assume is me; yet even if it were me, you assume Intelligence based on appearance? - You must be a good sheeple to believe social credibility through appearance. Even if I were a fool, only a fool would opt to not learn from another fool.
Its also confusing because in the NFA paperwork you have to file with the US Government to legally register and be licensed to own one, the fucking _Gov themselves!!!_ refers to them as 'silencers'.
I like the way the suppressor works in SCP: Secret Laboratory. It's a multiplayer game and the suppressor, while reducing the noise, doesn't make it silent. The damage of your weapon gets decreased (not exactly accurate to real life, I know) when you equip the suppressor, so most players don't bother using it. Even though the noise of the suppressor is still very much hearable, most players don't realise someone is shooting at them because the shots don't sound as loud.
A supersonic bullet itself makes a ~135 dB crack, so that's about as low as you can get without subsonic ammo. With subsonic ammo, the sound can be cut down to about 120 dBs with the best silencers.
Yeah, subsonic ammo trades bullet velocity for quiet shots. They travel slower than sound unlike most bullets to avoid cracking. Combine this with small ammo, like .22, and a suppressor, and boom, you've got a pew pew gun. A very weak pew pew gun, but a pew pew gun nonetheless.
There are, but you must choose between a super weak round (Ek = ½mv2), or a super weird round (e.g. 9x39mm, .300 Blackout, still Ek = ½mv2, when the velocity is limited, you max out on the mass).
c.1975 [when I was a class 3 FFL Dealer] We had a .22 Hi-Standard with integral barrel, noise suppressor And a .45 Cal model 1911 colt with a noise suppressor. In an cellar situation (concrete walls, floor and wood overhead) both sounded like normal pistols when fired. In a "living room" all you could hear was Click-click of the slides moving. Later we got some 9mm weapons, These could not use standard velocity with a noise suppressor. They had to use 9mm Sub-Sonic ammo, to keep the projectile below the "Sound Barrier". After the projectile left the noise suppressor canister they would otherwise break the sound barrier and BOOM in any environment. The colt .45 m1911 ammunition is naturally subsonic. We did not have a chance to use them in open field conditions. FINAL NOTE: Accuracy was beyond 10 feet.
Possibly interesting: how much energy would a silencer have to take from the accelerant (and how unwieldy would the device have to be) to actually function as effectively as what we see in entertainment media?
The silencer (or suppressor as some call it) doesn't take any energy from the accelerant, it blocks the sound of gas escaping the muzzle. However, it cannot block the sound of the bullet's own supersonic shockwave. So, by reducing the amount of accelerant itself (using subsonic ammo with a smaller powder charge in the cartridge case) you can make a much quieter weapon, and this is what spies in World War II sometimes used. However, this defeats the whole point of using - for instance - a rifle and decreases the amount of damage a lower caliber firearm can do (and suppressors/silencers work less well for higher calibers) IIRC, the silencer + subsonic ammo combination is usually only something used for pistols.
Silencing the action, would be the most difficult part... As long as the round is subsonic, I don't think you'd have to take away any additional energy from the bullet.
@@anonymousbosch9265 I'm no expert and I'll openly admit when it comes to Shooters I'm as casual As It Gets. And I will agree anything to make the series better I support in 100%. But for the sake of conversation and to explain to this Normie here, what mistakes were made?
The first movie I remember where a silencer wasn't a magic whisper was in only one scene in A Fish Called Wanda. For some reason, in a scene inside Heathrow Airport, the report of the gun actually sounded like it was muffled, but still had significant report and supersonic crack. Nowhere else in the 1980s, even in the rest of that movie.
"Suppressors, or silencers as they're more commonly known, are anything but silent." MP5SD & Sicario Suppressor for the MK.4: *Allow us to introduce ourselves.* Edit: Changed meme
You forgot to mention that a silencer is the difference between letting basically the whole block know a shot was fired to someone in the other room possibly mistaking the sound for someone dropping something heavy in another room.
I shot a ppk with subsonic amunitoon and a scilencer. (But wirh out rubber baffels). And while its sertanly sound somewhat like a gunshot. If younare in the room over... (with a closed door) you probobly would not recognice it as a gun
Most important aspect is the ammunition being lightly loaded subsonic rather than standard ammunition and this does very much cut the power, distance, and functioning of the weapon and we’re talking taking a .762 down to about a 1/3 of the original feet per second (to get below the sound barrier) . I’ve used many suppressors and on a .762/308 sub sonic they can get very quiet and I felt they sounded like the rush of air from disconnecting the air compressor hose from a tire. A .22 LR can be so quiet the action cycling is louder than the report of the weapon. It also changes the character of the sound to a deadened pop rather than an obvious gun shot
Razor I always thought the De Lisle was super cool but I’ve only had experience with modern suppressed military rifles, specifically.762 sub sonic out of an AR10
As mentioned by several others, try a subsonic .22LR and it'll be pretty close to the movie representation where fired, if not quieter. However it'll be far from quiet where it impacts, even in a soft target.
That's what I was thinking. It depends on the caliber and ammo type. 22LR sounds quieter than a bb gun when suppressed. Hitting the target is much louder than it coming out of the barrel.
How many times is this video going to be done? Every "silencer" video ever: "Silencers" are actually called _suppressors_ , and if you want a decent real-life approximation for how loud a suppressed 9mm is, clap two 2x4's together like you're closing the "marker" thing a movie director uses when they say "Action!" (you know what I mean?) and you'll have a noise about exactly as "sharp" and about the same loudness in decibels as a suppressed pistol. Try it out yourself. Is it less noisy than a non-suppressed gunshot? Yes, substantially so. Is it loud? That depends completely on what other noises are going on around you, what kinds of noises are normal, and even what kind of space you're in. Is it perfectly silent? Of course it's not. Is a suppressor still useful? Absolutely, yes. Of course it is.
Suppressors are very useful, in an open field youre harder to locate and inside buildings the shot wouldnt deaf you that hard as normal. and used with subsonic ammo its even more suppressed :D
Silencers are called suppressors, but are actually silencers. If one were to check the patent they would see the proper name is silencers. Their function is top suppress sound. Not sure why everyone still gets this wrong.
The most "silent" gun to this day is a Welrod. Integral suporessor and was only reslly quiet the first 5 shots, as it actually shot through rubber baffles that had to be replaced after severeal shots if you wanted it to remain quiet
Except they don't. They don't mention WHY suppressors are still loud- because of the sonic boom still produced when the bullet leaves the muzzle and breaks the sound barrier. But, not all ammunition does this. They didn't account for subsonic ammunition, because then, a suppressors WOULD make the sound much quieter. I've fired a 9mm suppressed with subsonic ammo, and it's quiet enough you can actually take off your ear protection and be totally fine. They failed to mention ANY of that, and thus, they did not ACTUALLY do their researchm
Subsonic ammunition combined with the best silencers are super quiet, they sound like an air gun / totally could be used in ways they say you can't.....
@@DansilSchroeder That's just bad advice, which is typical of someone who sounds like you. Always use ear protection, literally no reason not to outside of a defensive situation.
One thing that you did not touch on in this video was subsonic ammunition. There are special cartridge words that complement suppressors. I think armor three even touches on this. Great video.
I watched a video about the Welrod, in addition to the baffles had rubber disks. The bullet passes making a hole and supressing the sound and was good for about five shots before the disks had to be replaced.
I kind of already knew about this but it is interesting to see this in full detail. This and the shotguns having a much larger range than they do in games are some interesting gun myths.
In Call of Duty Modern Warfare (2019) it is the most accurate one in the whole game world if im not remembering wrong. As you said following one must be the Arma.
Even with subsonic rounds you have to convert the gun to single shot or everyone who matters will still recognize the sound of the slide, which is louder than most people think.
In ARMA 3, suppressed doesn't keep the enemy from identifying your location either. It only increases the amount of time it takes for them to find you.
Imagine finally getting to your appointment with the alleged resident firearms expert at the Royal Armory museum of England just to see him wearing a gamer Xenomorph t-shirt. I for one would be ecstatic.
I use suppressors IRL quite frequently since i am a hunter, and suppressors are legal in sweden and can be sold over the counter as long as you have a license for the gun it's supposed to be used with. On a .308 win rifle it reduces sound from 160db to 130db. Which is from Incredibly hurtingly deafening loud to unpleasantly loud. I use it for night hunting hogs since it removes the muzzle flash (Which is a huge thing when using IR and hunting at night) and recoil rather than it's sound reducing properties. One thing they didnt mention thou: Even though it doesnt remove sound and only reduce it, it modulates the sound in such a way that it goes from a loud recognizable rifle shot to something more considerably more dull and muted, almost a "BONK", akin to punching an empty plastic barrel. So it becomes more harder to identify as rifle fire, which could have some military application i suppose. The above goes for more substantial calibres though. I imagine i could suppress a subsonic .22 to a level where it's almost like in the movies. But, i dont want to hunt wild boar in the middle of the night with a subsonic .22lr, i want to get out of the forrest alive.
"decreased range, etc", " but that wouldnt happen in real life". One of the major aspects of effective suppression of a bullet is getting past the issue of the sound of the bullet breaking the sound barrier. It's a pretty loud crack. So most of the time people are using suppressors, they'll be using subsonic ammo as well, which does perform differently than ammo that's loaded to normal spec
One thing that should have been mentioned is that while a silencer will decrease recoil, it will also NOT improve your accuracy as you are adding extra weight to the front end of your gun. Try holding a long stick for example and then try taping a rock to the opposite end, it'll, naturally, get a bit harder to accurately aim with it. This extra weight at the front is part of the reason recoil is reduced as well.
Funnily enough, the way the sound suppressors are usually displayed in the movies was a big reason why they were banned for civilian use in my home country of Czech Republic. Indeed, the people at the interior ministry actually took the bond movies and assassin scenes a bit too seriously which was shocking to me when I learnt about it. Same exact scenario with laser pointers.
The subconscious a muffucca. 😂 Sounds. Pay attention. There's a certain sound a gun makes when you rack one in vs racking an empty gun. Now. Some will know that. I don't doubt that much. But what you noticed subconsciously is that when you rack an empty gun it makes a certain sound. The sound of metal smashing against metal/polymer. So even if you actually could manage to completely silence a weapon. The sound of loud ass metal on metal/polymer would still exist. Even a revolver makes way more fucking clicking noises than you remember! Go ahead try it. Grab a revolver. Slowly squeeze trigger complete a full pull. Notice the hammer clicks, you can hear the cylinder turn. It's just impossible to make a completely silent gun that could repeat shots. And you know how loud shit is when your trying to be quiet. Silencer was the inventions name. Suppressor is more accurate.
The soul purpose of a suppressor is to muffle the noise of the bullet when it goes off, not to make the entire gun silent. So I’m really confused on why you went on that entire rant as if someone expected a suppressor to completely silence a gun while in use...
As an avid gun owner and gamer I want to thank you for making this video. Its a real shame suppressors are so miss represented by movies and video games. Because of that suppressors are unfortunately over regulated by our government. Though their still legal for a civilian to buy, you have to pay a 200 dollar tax stamp on top of the sales price, get your fingerprints taken, fill our extensive paperwork and wait up to a year to actually get possession of it after purchasing and filing your paperwork. All for something that is involved so little in crime that the ATF doesn't even track the collective data since their invention. Im still waiting to get mine that I picked up :( even after spending 700 dollars for something that doesn't even make my gun hearing safe.
@Anonymous Person I bet you drill the 3rd hole and buy WISH "solvent traps" because you're such a badass. We get it dude, you want your dog to get executed.
If you assume that they’re using sub-sonic ammo variants the reduced damage makes some sense. If you’re using naturally sub-sonic rounds like .45ACP or .380 then there would be no difference. Also I wish you’d have discussed the trade off of louder but re-usable baffles vs. quieter wipes that need to be replaced after a couple of mags...
Anyone else bothered that a PPK is not pictured in the beginning? Its a Sig Sauer P230, which is based off the walther. In all seriousness, well done lads. thank you for being informative!
The majority of the sound made when firing a suppress gun is the bullet breaking the sound barrier. Using bullets that don’t break the sound barrier (sub-sonic) and a suppressor are very quite and do sound a lot like what is in many video games.
Thank you, this is a real problem as things like the hearing protection act get denied as people believe suppressors are silent. Due to this they are heavily regulated even though they are essentially glorified ear plugs, they make the sound just low enough to not damage your hearing, they are still louder than a jackhammer. Due to public perception unfortunately the government can get away with a 200 dollar tax and more importantly, registering them, which kinda defeats the purpose of the second amendment.
the noise a pistol or rifle makes can be broken down into 3 parts. the detonation of propellent and escaping gasses, the projectile breaking the sound barrier, and the action of the weapon which in some cases can make a fair amount of noise. now the suppressor of course quiets the escaping gasses however if you have a semi automatic weapon a lot of that noise escapes out of the ejection port and of course if you have a revolver the cylinder barrel gap. a bolt action rifle for example takes this out of the equation but depending on the firearm setup may not be much of an issue. the last thing is the kind of ammo you use. if you use sub sonic ammo you eliminate the sound of the projectile breaking the sound barrier. this coupled with a suppressor will quiet things down a fair bit and in some cases surprisingly so. on this point i would like to mention that arma 2 (i haven't played much of 3) not only has weapons with silencers but also sub sonic ammo and if used in conjunction while not silencing the firearm report completely is a lot quieter than full power ammo. now, i want to be clear. even with subsonic ammo and a suppressor you can hear a 9mm pistol firing alright, and it's not like it's going to let you take out a bad guy without everyone in the next room hearing you do it even if they're watching wheel of fortune on the tv and having a loud conversation too. this brings me to my experience. i've had the pleasure of firing a few firearms with subsonic ammo that were also silenced but when it comes to .22 one day i was shown a ruger (i believe it was a 10/22 1256) that was silenced running subsonic ammo. the rifle was tuned to run the ammo so it cycled like a champ which can be an issue sometimes with low power ammo. now this thing was so quiet the only thing you could hear was the action go click every time i pulled the trigger like i was dry firing it.
"they reduce recoil slightly as well"
Video games : we don't do that here
GTA does
most games do, u trippin
Yea also the distance of how far the bullet goes gets shorter
MW 2019 does
@@YoungBuddhaGotThatRemedy velocity,damage,penetration. Suppressor is just cosmetic
Guy: Gets shot in back of head
"He got me, but I don't give a shit!" 9:54
That part had me 💀💀
Hahaha
top tier chadness
lmao
the protagonist was like b___h how dare you still live!
A suppressed handgun combined with subsonic ammunition is still way quieter than they would be normally.
I think it's something that should be talked about, since in most games applying a silencer usually reduces damage, probably due to said subsonic ammo. The loudness of suppressed firearms they were talking about is because of that sound barrier bang.
Lol ur right he didnt event talk about sub sonic round that really make way less noise then supersonic ones what a nerd
Sebastien Lemire he’s a nerd, and I hate nerds more than I hate MAD agents
Really only made to be quiet enough to get away with not wearing earpro/not annoying the piss out of the neighbors
yeah... but not nearly as quiet as movies and Video games portray them to be.
Basically it's actually the difference between broadcasting your location to everyone in a five mile radius vs dropping a washing machine
@Atman Gotango Any subsonic pistol cartridge will not be even close to painfully loud. In fact most of the noise from the gun will be from the action cycling or ricochets.
@Atman Gotango I just shot a suppressed UMP 9mm the other day, running subsonic ammo, and there was hardly even an echo.
@Atman Gotango I'm not sure what the suppressor make it model was. It wasn't my gun, but it was very nice to shoot, and even better shooting it without ear protection.
@Atman Gotango I imagine the Glock test you reffered to was done with standard 9mm ammo, which I do believe is slightly past supersonic.
In regard to .22 LR, definitely an effective round if you can get a good shot. My uncle has told stories of dropping rather large cows with .22s, and I think i've heard tales of even black bears being brought down with a single .22 LR round. Meanwhile I've personally experienced a group of 4 guys with bad aim (myself included in that group) put something like 14 high powered rifle rounds into a cow before dropping it.
You gotta be a bit more precise to kill effectively with a smaller round, but even big rounds you still gotta hit.
More of the difference between broadcasting to a 5 mile radius and broadcasting to a 2-3 mile radius instead. even a 9mm running subsonic ammo and a good suppressor is still audible pretty far and can still damage your hearing. 22s and purpose built suppressed weapons like the welrod are truly quiet though.
One thing that was not mentioned is sub sonic ammo. The bullet breaking the sound barrier or not is huge in the sound of suppressed firearms.
Unfortunately many auto loading rifles don’t work very well with subsonic ammo and have to be cycled by hand or just are not as reliable as needed.
@@jesseterrell9354 Aye. Most automatic weapons need adjustments to the cycling mechanism to reliably extract and feed subsonic ammo.
@@acceptablecasualty5319 there is nothing you can do with an AR or AK to run sub sonic ammo. And by the time you’re slowing a round down below 1,100 FPS it becomes unreliable with terminal ballistics you’re basically turning something like a 5.56 into a 22 long rifle in fact 22 LR has more velocity with a bullet that is only a little lighter than that of a 5.56 55 grain round.
@@jesseterrell9354 Maybe "adjustments" wasn't strong enough. I meant "exrensive modification".
@@acceptablecasualty5319 no one who carries a rifle for a living would trust subsonic rifle ammo. Full power ammo with a suppressor works well enough.
“In the movie John Wicks firearm sounded like this! -“
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The Binklem Network I'm good
Game : Adding Suppressor decrease your range
Real life : increase your Accuracy
No, a suppressor does not increase accuracy at any appreciable level, however it does increases muzzle velocity
, but only marginally (10-20fps depending of various variables).
RETiredGM More facts?
@@tal0tis gun is heavier on the tip so it surely doesnt imrpove your accuracy
@@frostskog7958 hhmm seems legit
@@frostskog7958 A heavier firearm improves accuracy for follow-up shots. As the firearm kicks, the more mass in the firearm, the less displacement from the target. Unfortunately it does make it a bit heavier for initial target acquisition.
“They reduce recoil slightly as well”
Game Devs: No, that’s not how your supposed to play the game
U stole this
What exactly is recoil?
No Idea YT Y’know this is probably r/woosh but if it isn’t, then recoil is basically how much the gun kicks back every time you shoot, this is why in most games, anything that upgrades recoil also upgrades accuracy.
@@squilliam.919 I found a redditor
@@rectaltickler8303 If your calling me a Redditor, I don’t really use Reddit.
"In video games they sound like "pew" when in real life they should sound like "Pew"."
Exactly my thought
*PEW*
I want to like this but right now the number of likes is 69
@@blackyailo big pew
Well. Gun silencers are now even more silent than before. So you can get hollywood silencers thanks to it.
The guy who invented the Maxim Gun went completely deaf from test-firing it, so it's no suprise that his son invented the first suppresser.
9:53
*Gets shot*
"Ah they got me, but I dont give a shit"
*Gets shot again and dies*
Chad
@@rustaholic2546 r/boneappletea
8:37
*Bullet penetrates mans chest*
Man: WhaaT
Cale The Nail! PB lmao 😂. This comment is funny as fuck. I had just saw that part and was like dude, you just got shot 🥴. Or the part where the dude got shot in the head and was like “he got me but I don’t give a fuck” 😂.
Ok so you gonna ignore: " He got me BuT i DoNt GiVe A sHiT! 😫" 😭😭😭😭 9:54
Cale The Nail! PB 🤣
@@Valconize 😂😂💀
Valconize lmfao dude I was wondering the same thing and what's funny is that my dad and I were literally just talking about suppressors and subsonic ammunition. I've asked my dad about things like this multiple times to confirm my suspicions about it. Cause why not.
I laugh when replaced the cinematic firing sound , with real once, imagining all that sound and everyone still walking normally.
Hmmm must be the wind
Hmmm another shootout again today eh?
Just another day here in London
@@XM8A1 nah if they were in London they woulda been dueling with machetes
@@icedog3636 u right lol
I actually love how Breakpoint utilize their suppressors. It's quite realistic, or it tries to be at least. If you shoot with a big caliber gun suppressed near enemies, they will hear the shot.
Lower calibers' sound are a bit softer, tho not vanished completely. Depending how far the enemies are away from you when you are firing.
I feel like Cod Mw 2019 nailed the suppressed weapon sounds
I feel like mw 2019 nailed most things well
Yes
Except those fucking R9-0s tuf tufing everywhere with there god damned fire bullets
Nah try tarkov
@@DarkVoid1794 mw still did well for not a mil-sim.
Subsonic Ammo : "listen here you little sshhh"
Highly underated comment
Wait dying light?
Arma 3 has that, or at least some of the mods.
Krugermier 2-2 : Listen here you little sshhh.
Crusader Gage no, subsonic ammo is a real thing
The people lying about silencers need to be silenced
suppressor*
Hikari Sakai it’s a joke shut up
It says 'silencer' in the title they're both the same thing wtf is wrong with you?
@@youronlyhope4383 Because the proper term is actually suppressor as silencer would imply it completely silences the gun which it doesn't, it only suppresses them. The title was cause in video games they call them silencers because they literally silence the guns in most games lol. It's a common misconception.
Both terms are commonly used, but there is an effort to squash the term "silencer" because it misrepresents the function of the device. As long as it's misrepresented and portrayed as a scary tool of assassins, it's easy to restrict it's ownership.
The decreased bullet velocity and “damage” for installing a suppressor in video games is likely to play on the idea that installing one means the person is using sub sonic rounds (which in some cases are significantly lower velocity than their super sonic counterparts, eliminating the sonic boom of breaking the sound barrier).
yeah the subsonic ammo has a velocity lower than 340 m/s.
other than the normal 9x19mm para velocity
lowes: 274m/s highest: about 600m/s
and most rifles chambered in 5.56x45 are nearly Mach 3
the SG550 has a muzzle velocity of 905m/s
Thats actually smart bruh
Some gun/suppressor combos do actually lower bullet velocity. The MP5SD is not an example of this, however the same result is achieved. The MP5SD actually has large amounts of porting right after the chamber, which allows enough gas to escape into the suppressor to essentially turn any 9mm ammo into subsonic ammo. Forgotten Weapons has a really good video detailing this.
It would not make sense from a realism standpoint however. Subsonics are mostly used for sporting purposes, and military use is extremely limited. For instance, the US military does not issue subsonics with their suppressors for good reason. Rifles turn into peashooters if you switch to subsonics.
@@deanc91 Not necessarily. Subsonic rounds are made mostly by increasing the weight of the projectile. That changes ballistic trajectory, stabilization and other things but not kinetic energy. A higher mass bullet at lower speed carries the same energy than a lower mass, high speed one. The reason the military doesn't use subsonics is they like to keep logistics simple and for military applications subsonics make little sense. Subsonic high powered rifles are a joke though, you cannot increase the bullet size nearly enough to go subsonic you have to decrease power by a large amount. But SMG's can use subsonic ammo that's about as effective.
I always wondered why the Welrod was such a hideous gun. Knowing that it's meant to look like random industrial metal/material when disassembled, they actually did a good job. If I saw pieces of that lying around I wouldn't think much of it at a glance.
"it's a bike pump" understandable, have a good day.
‘It was enough for teddy rosevelt to buy one to shoot rabbits in his backyard without waking the neighbours.’
Because of course he did
"We have lost the Rabbit for a generation" Teddy Rosevelt told an aide, grinning like a loon
“Maxim guns were used mostly in the western front” proceeds to show pictures of the eastern front.
Also forgot that they got used after ww1
Bruh
Well, he only said „mostly“
I've always assumed the videogame downside of lower damage/range could be explained by the use of subsonic ammo or shorter barrels making ammo subsonic. And some games do in fact accurately depict the lower recoil!
In regards to accurate games, try Escape From Tarkov. you can hear a suppressed mosin from across a shopping mall, either causing players to flock there to kill and loot, or run away. they also have a great advantage, as you mentioned in the video, of reducing muzzle flash. this makes suppressors in tarkov quite useful, yet don't have any damage tradeoffs, due to how you can lose all of your gear in a matter of seconds from a mis-timed shot or drawing attention to yourself, causing you to be killed.
Is tarkov like dayz? I’ve never played it before and it sounds good
@@TheFaizParadise I've never played DayZ. if you mean you can lose everything when you head out, and are constantly trying to earn money and get new weapons, then yes.
Pubg has realistic suppressors aswell
Yea there is a supeesonic crack so u have to use subsonic ammo to be quiert
@@TheFaizParadise no it's nothing like Dayz. apart from looting and killing :P. i highly recommend Escape From Tarkov though. it's the most epic hardcore an realistic shooter i've ever played! :P
I always tell people "For the most part, silencers make gun shots as loud as a non-gun person probably thinks they are normally". There's some exception to this based on ammo types and such but it's a good generalization
Devils advocate: suppose in a video game when you add a suppressor it also switches from supersonic to subsonic ammunition - this could justify many of the changes to the stats ( and is the only plausible explanation for how you could make a gun even half as quiet as is portrayed).
Im aware I’m generalising but as a rule of thumb: (1) Subsonic bullets have a lower effective range as they are heavier and obviously move slower, meaning you get increased drop and more drift. (2) Slower bullets are generally less effective against armour: if you assume every in-game character is wearing armour this would justify a damage decrease. (3)This is much more variable but subsonic ammo is often considered to have less “stopping power” (if you half the velocity you need to quadruple the mass to achieve the same energy) so again lower damage could be justified. Ditto, rounds such as hollow points often expand less reliably at lower velocities (although they aren’t supposed to be used by the military anyway!) (4) Multiplayer modifiers that disguise your shots on the minimap (like in CoD) are actually pretty accurate, although the sound reduction of suppressors is limited they do make it much harder to pinpoint where the sound is coming from.
Also what the video doesn’t mention is that one of the biggest tactical benefits of suppressors is communication: evidence suggests troops work far more effectively together when using suppressed weapons.
For context I’m from the UK where suppressors are surprisingly loosely regulated: in theory you need to give the police a good reason to add one to your license but hearing protection is pretty much universally accepted. Outside of shotguns and target rifles suppressors are the norm, every shooter I know who owns a hunting rifle has a can on it (although they often still use supersonic). Baffles me (pardon the pun) how the US will let pretty much anyone own a pistol or semi-auto long gun yet makes you jump through so many hoops to get something that reduces the report of a firearm to somewhere between a chainsaw and a jet taking off!
"Also what the video doesn’t mention is that one of the biggest tactical benefits of suppressors is communication: evidence suggests troops work far more effectively together when using suppressed weapons."
How?
@@TylerTheTiler Because their ears aren't bleeding from the sounds of nearby gunfire?
This is because suppressors were firmly embedded in the psyche of many Americans (even back then) as something associated with criminals, so when the National Firearms Act was passed (as a kneejerk reaction to the Valentine's Day Massacre, among other gangland crime), suppressors got lumped in with automatic weapons and short-barreled rifles and short-barreled shotguns as scarybad.
9:54 LMAO
Famous Last Words
Penis for you
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Penis for you
Hahaha due that was hilarious
9:53 “I think he got me BUT I DONT GIVE A SHIT”😂😂
Silencers / Suppressors / Moderators are (Practically) unregulated in the UK, and it's considered rude to hunt without one.
Repeal the NFA and Hughes Amendment.
Odin Don't you guys have strict gun laws tho?
@@lilericinnacut strict, but not outright banned
Yes, because easier access to fully automatic weaponry is something that civilians totally need and can be trusted with...
TjDolHaus86 much better to trust the govt right that’s never gone wrong
Fun fact - suppressors were added to the NFA not because of fears of violence, but because of fears that suppressors would let poor people poach largely undetected on rich people's lands. Remember, the NFA is a creature of the Depression, when people got their dinner any way they could.
As a big shooter, it's nice to see a video like this! Suppressors aren't some magic thing that should be regulated like they are. They're a good tool for safer shooting
They have the advantage over hearing protection, such as ear plugs, in that they protect the hearing of _everyone_ who is nearby, not just the shooter.
I've seen one on TH-cam, that combined with subsonic ammo is basically magic.
There's barely any difference between dry fire and actual fire, the main difference is you hear where the bullet hits.
@DaCasa13. Are suppressors restricted in some way where you are?
Here, suppressors are over-the-counter items and getting the end of the barrel threaded for a suppressor is a common modification.
@@wolf1066 yeah in the US is a restricted item. It's the dumbest thing.
@@wolf1066 interesting to hear that something gun related is restricted in the US when it isn‘t somewhere else- may I ask where you‘re from?
I’ve always imagined the reduced damage/bullet velocity of suppressors in games to be a side effect of using subsonic ammunition to compliment the suppressors
Good point cause I was gonna say if you don't change ammunition alot of times a suppressor would actually increase velocity thus extending range/damage
Damn every gun should come out with suppressors they sound nice and saves ear.
@weebles suppressed heavy machine gun
@UCJPFmhF8uJQccUrwZBN8hRg like any other gun but hmg would be to hot
@@leoaltivez7161 a suppressed HMG sounds as pretty much as loud as an unsuppressed heavy machine gun - deafening.
@weebles point is still valid.
@weebles yeah it's big fun that everybody in your country i killing each other. And now give them a suppressor.. Yeah.. How many folks could there be in one big country 😂😂
Yeah.. We are poor 😂😂 look at your country and please be honest 😂😂
Its like this guy wanted two hair styles, so he put one on his chin
Haha im dead😂😂😂
.22 subsonic with a suppressor is one of the closer ways in my experience to getting movie level silence
Or one of the guns which were intended to be silent from the design stage (probably the most famous are Welrod, B&T VP9 and De Lisle carbine).
Yeah, they didn't even mention subsonic rounds. His expert probably didn't even know about them.
pfff, .22 sub is about 130 joules, its stopping power is ludicrous
@@PushistayaArina The topic is about sound, not energy so...
Stick a slide lock on one too to get rid of the not inconsiderable noise of the mechanics too. Sure, you have to eject your bullet manually but who cares.
So as someone who works on firearms for a living ill drop some truths:
-One of the most iconic firearms is James Bond's suppressed PPK. PPK's in real life are a terrible suppressor platform due to the handgun being blowback. This means the firearm has no locked breach and freely slides back when fired. Most firearms have a system that has to unlock when opening to allow the chamber drop to safe pressure levels before ejecting. PPK does not utilize such a system because its round is so anemic (.380 ACP). As such having a suppressor on the gun creates more back-pressure and causes a host of problems when attempting to suppress it.
-The biggest three factors of suppression are this 1: Is it supersonic? if yes it will have a sonic boom when coming out of the barrel making it way louder. 2: what type of cartridge is used? some rounds like .45 ACP or .22LR are excellent rounds to have a suppressed gun based around due to them being either really quiet like in 22's case or naturally subsonic like in 45's. and 3: how much gas can get out of the gun? A firearm say like a AK-47 have gasses being vented at the gas block thus lowering the effect of the suppressor, well that and the action is very loud to begin with. But with a bolt action firearm all the gasses go out the muzzle and very little gas is escaping so suppressors tend to work better on manually operated firearms.
-At 8:55 you say there is little or no downside to sticking a suppressor on the end of a rifle or SMG, This is not true. First not every gun is good suppressor host and can cause huge reliability problems especially in full auto. You wont mag dump 210+ rounds out of a suppressor without damaging it potentially since suppressors overheat quite easily. It increases weight, It increases weapon length and both are downsides. If you want to suppress a rifle cartridge and still keep it subsonic you loose out on a lot of range and lethal energy due to having to load rounds to move slower. This is why huge rounds like .458 SOCOM exist, because 5.56 is a fast moving round out of AR15's and the sonic boom is a constant problem when using 5.56 for suppressor applications.
-Decreased damage and bullet velocity and range is not entirely unrealistic. What makes believable is that you are assuming they are using subsonic ammunition. For instance 5.56 ammo normally hits around 1,200 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle with a effective range out of a 16" rifle of about 550 yards, moving at a speed of 3,200 feet per second. Subsonic 5.56 has a energy of around 300 foot pounds, moving at a speed of 1000 feet per second with a effective range of about 200 yards. 5.56 being one of the most extreme examples of this. You get energy two ways: Velocity and Bullet weight and since most newer cartridges favor velocity over weight for many reasons suppressed guns typically go for the heavier slower rounds to stay subsonic. If suppressors worked realistically in video games it would be quite involved in what guns they could be used on and what rounds would be feed into said guns.
"Decreased damage and bullet velocity and range is not entirely unrealistic."
It's not, but when all you do is slap a suppressor and then everything goes quiet and your damage is reduced while the projectile velocity remains the same... That's a question mark right there. It's definitely a balancing mechanism for the game, but it takes away realism thus a "false" info being fed subconsciously into the audience.
I think Jonathan has become one of my favorite people to listen to about anything
I think I like GameSpot UK more than I do the OG GameSpot now.
Yes
It's OK, you can love them too, I won't be jealous
Which is weird cuz UK can't have guns
For anyone interested, they show a model 1 Welrod, despite the Mk ll being much better representation of the majority of Welrods used (as I understand) and more prevalent in video games, looking like industrial equipment/a bike pump (quite convincing I might add), though it’s very nice to see early versions of firearms be shown, not just the latest and most advanced, especially something I for one had never seen before (it caused quite the initial confusion!)
“Sneaking throughout Outer Haven”
*Shows Shadow Moses*
Snake is also known to be on Outer Haven considering they send some Outer Heaven troops and GEKKOs onto the deck after snake lands on it.
So Outer Heaven, the fortress seen in MG1 is prob what your looking for
I wasn’t expecting to see John in this video so I legitimately shouted “JOHN” and stuck my fist up
I’ve handled a .762 suppressed with subsonic loading and I’d say it sounded about like disconnecting a hose from an air compressor while still delivering the same energy at 100 yards as a .45 ACP at the muzzle.
.762! That's a big bullet
Suppressed weapons are sometimes paired with subsonic ammo... heavier rounds travelling slower, no supersonic crack, travelling silently through the air.
The John Wick scene could be possible with audio no more than the sound of a Swingline stapler with the right subsonic ammo and some weapon harmonics tuning.
Suppressors *do* have a drawback, weapon handling, slapping a suppressor on the end of a gun is literally adding an extra pound or so of extra weight to the end of the barrel; making whatever firearm you're using feel significantly different when you're waving it around. It can become extremely uncomfortable after a lot of time.
And here I was in my childhood days thinking that if you fired any gun with a suppressor on right next to someone's ear, they wouldn't hear it
I think it depends mostly on the specific round used, I've seen mp5s where the bolt is louder then the shot with a silencer
Take a .22 with some .22 shorts and you can have a practically silent firearm, outside of the mechanical workings of the gun. Would be completely viable as a nearly silent killer at close ranges.
yup, tried a 22 who had the whole barrel built inside a huge silencer, you just heard the firing pin hit the cartridge.
was a louder smack from the inpact.
There is a heavy barreled henry rifle, that uses .22 shorts to become basically silent. It sounds like a air-gun when fired lol.
there have been suppressors and subsonic rounds for a 9mm utilized to pretty dang close to total silence before, and nobody even thinks about how the action still makes a clack as it closes(which is louder than you may think). thats actually why the welrod had a twist-open action, which was arguably a bolt action and quieter than a semi-auto. just sayin'.
Video: calls a suppressor a silencer
40 year old Americans: **Visible anger**
That's what the guy that invented them called it.
I dont understand how people get upset over calling it a silencer, when that's what the inventor called it, that's what's on the patent. Silencer.
Gerry Williams , Well, I mean, Edison said that AC was better at killing people than DC and we all know that's bullshit now. Then again, Thomas Edison was a POS in general.
It was called a silencer because not only was pretty much silent relative to the sound of a gunshot then but it was mainly for marketing purposes. Not to mention that a suppressed .22 short is pretty much silent. Point is, just because you call chicken shit chicken salad does not make it so.
@Easliy Displeased, I would love to know what you meant by "never mind;" it's as if I inquired something previously of you. You say something about what you assume is me; yet even if it were me, you assume Intelligence based on appearance? - You must be a good sheeple to believe social credibility through appearance. Even if I were a fool, only a fool would opt to not learn from another fool.
Its also confusing because in the NFA paperwork you have to file with the US Government to legally register and be licensed to own one, the fucking _Gov themselves!!!_ refers to them as 'silencers'.
I like the way the suppressor works in SCP: Secret Laboratory. It's a multiplayer game and the suppressor, while reducing the noise, doesn't make it silent. The damage of your weapon gets decreased (not exactly accurate to real life, I know) when you equip the suppressor, so most players don't bother using it.
Even though the noise of the suppressor is still very much hearable, most players don't realise someone is shooting at them because the shots don't sound as loud.
wasnt there something like subsonic ammo? bullets that dont go through the barrier of sound, so no bang at all (or just a really really small one).
A supersonic bullet itself makes a ~135 dB crack, so that's about as low as you can get without subsonic ammo. With subsonic ammo, the sound can be cut down to about 120 dBs with the best silencers.
Yeah, subsonic ammo trades bullet velocity for quiet shots. They travel slower than sound unlike most bullets to avoid cracking. Combine this with small ammo, like .22, and a suppressor, and boom, you've got a pew pew gun. A very weak pew pew gun, but a pew pew gun nonetheless.
There are, but you must choose between a super weak round (Ek = ½mv2), or a super weird round (e.g. 9x39mm, .300 Blackout, still Ek = ½mv2, when the velocity is limited, you max out on the mass).
c.1975 [when I was a class 3 FFL Dealer] We had a .22 Hi-Standard with integral barrel, noise suppressor And a .45 Cal model 1911 colt with a noise suppressor. In an cellar situation (concrete walls, floor and wood overhead) both sounded like normal pistols when fired. In a "living room" all you could hear was Click-click of the slides moving. Later we got some 9mm weapons, These could not use standard velocity with a noise suppressor. They had to use 9mm Sub-Sonic ammo, to keep the projectile below the "Sound Barrier". After the projectile left the noise suppressor canister they would otherwise break the sound barrier and BOOM in any environment.
The colt .45 m1911 ammunition is naturally subsonic. We did not have a chance to use them in open field conditions. FINAL NOTE: Accuracy was beyond 10 feet.
Payday 2 suppressors: *EXPLOSION; EXPLOSION*
Guards: "Must have been the wind."
"Maxim Silencer
The best christmas present ever"
Me : seems legit
I hate getting school supplies for Christmas.
@@jubberdunkus1496 ayo?
9:54 -shot in back of head- yells "he got me, but I don't give a shit!" lol soooo bad.... and funny xD
Hitman was also kind of goofy lol😂
Possibly interesting: how much energy would a silencer have to take from the accelerant (and how unwieldy would the device have to be) to actually function as effectively as what we see in entertainment media?
The silencer (or suppressor as some call it) doesn't take any energy from the accelerant, it blocks the sound of gas escaping the muzzle. However, it cannot block the sound of the bullet's own supersonic shockwave. So, by reducing the amount of accelerant itself (using subsonic ammo with a smaller powder charge in the cartridge case) you can make a much quieter weapon, and this is what spies in World War II sometimes used. However, this defeats the whole point of using - for instance - a rifle and decreases the amount of damage a lower caliber firearm can do (and suppressors/silencers work less well for higher calibers) IIRC, the silencer + subsonic ammo combination is usually only something used for pistols.
Silencing the action, would be the most difficult part... As long as the round is subsonic, I don't think you'd have to take away any additional energy from the bullet.
Steve Jobs and silencers have one thing in common: they both eliminate Flash.
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But everyone stopped supporting Flash lol
@@DaimyoD0 I think you missed the point?
old but gold.
Guy: gets chopped on shoulder
Also guy: **collapses like dying star**
To everyone involved with the series keep up the good work!!
Thank you
They need to go back to the drawing board and fix some fundamental mistakes
@@anonymousbosch9265 I'm no expert and I'll openly admit when it comes to Shooters I'm as casual As It Gets. And I will agree anything to make the series better I support in 100%. But for the sake of conversation and to explain to this Normie here, what mistakes were made?
The first movie I remember where a silencer wasn't a magic whisper was in only one scene in A Fish Called Wanda. For some reason, in a scene inside Heathrow Airport, the report of the gun actually sounded like it was muffled, but still had significant report and supersonic crack. Nowhere else in the 1980s, even in the rest of that movie.
"Suppressors, or silencers as they're more commonly known, are anything but silent."
MP5SD & Sicario Suppressor for the MK.4: *Allow us to introduce ourselves.*
Edit: Changed meme
oil filter: don't worry i got this guys.
Subsonic bullets:
Welrod:
You forgot to mention that a silencer is the difference between letting basically the whole block know a shot was fired to someone in the other room possibly mistaking the sound for someone dropping something heavy in another room.
9:53 he got me but I don't give a s*** lol
I've shot a silenced pistol before, and it sounds very similar to csgo's usps, just a bit louder.
basically they change their loudness thats y its sound more quite
I shot a ppk with subsonic amunitoon and a scilencer. (But wirh out rubber baffels).
And while its sertanly sound somewhat like a gunshot. If younare in the room over... (with a closed door) you probobly would not recognice it as a gun
The USPS is a .45 ACP, which is subsonic ammunition. It will always be more effective at suppressing.
Most important aspect is the ammunition being lightly loaded subsonic rather than standard ammunition and this does very much cut the power, distance, and functioning of the weapon and we’re talking taking a .762 down to about a 1/3 of the original feet per second (to get below the sound barrier)
. I’ve used many suppressors and on a .762/308 sub sonic they can get very quiet and I felt they sounded like the rush of air from disconnecting the air compressor hose from a tire. A .22 LR can be so quiet the action cycling is louder than the report of the weapon. It also changes the character of the sound to a deadened pop rather than an obvious gun shot
The ideal weapon for suppressed use is anything inherently subsonic with it's ammo, such as .45 ACP.
Like the De lile carbine from Britain during WW2. I hope i spelled that right.
Razor I always thought the De Lisle was super cool but I’ve only had experience with modern suppressed military rifles, specifically.762 sub sonic out of an AR10
The quietest gun is the hush puppy with subsonic ammo. It it’s probably the only “Hollywood quiet” gun ever
Welrod. DeLisle.
@@robcampbell3235 I was about to say DeLisle too
As mentioned by several others, try a subsonic .22LR and it'll be pretty close to the movie representation where fired, if not quieter. However it'll be far from quiet where it impacts, even in a soft target.
That's what I was thinking. It depends on the caliber and ammo type. 22LR sounds quieter than a bb gun when suppressed. Hitting the target is much louder than it coming out of the barrel.
How many times is this video going to be done?
Every "silencer" video ever:
"Silencers" are actually called _suppressors_ , and if you want a decent real-life approximation for how loud a suppressed 9mm is, clap two 2x4's together like you're closing the "marker" thing a movie director uses when they say "Action!" (you know what I mean?) and you'll have a noise about exactly as "sharp" and about the same loudness in decibels as a suppressed pistol. Try it out yourself.
Is it less noisy than a non-suppressed gunshot?
Yes, substantially so.
Is it loud?
That depends completely on what other noises are going on around you, what kinds of noises are normal, and even what kind of space you're in.
Is it perfectly silent?
Of course it's not.
Is a suppressor still useful?
Absolutely, yes. Of course it is.
Suppressors are very useful, in an open field youre harder to locate and inside buildings the shot wouldnt deaf you that hard as normal.
and used with subsonic ammo its even more suppressed :D
What is the length of the 2x4 lumber?
Silencers are called suppressors, but are actually silencers. If one were to check the patent they would see the proper name is silencers. Their function is top suppress sound. Not sure why everyone still gets this wrong.
Me while reading this:
Puts the longest suppressor in a m16 in Payday 2 for stealth
they're actually called silencers. check the ATF and the Maxim's patent.
The most "silent" gun to this day is a Welrod. Integral suporessor and was only reslly quiet the first 5 shots, as it actually shot through rubber baffles that had to be replaced after severeal shots if you wanted it to remain quiet
You talk like it's not used anymore, the SaS still use them as a third firearm.
@@alpacaodoom He never implies that.
I love how they actually do their research and know what they’re talking about, firearms-wise.
Except they don't. They don't mention WHY suppressors are still loud- because of the sonic boom still produced when the bullet leaves the muzzle and breaks the sound barrier. But, not all ammunition does this. They didn't account for subsonic ammunition, because then, a suppressors WOULD make the sound much quieter. I've fired a 9mm suppressed with subsonic ammo, and it's quiet enough you can actually take off your ear protection and be totally fine. They failed to mention ANY of that, and thus, they did not ACTUALLY do their researchm
Go check out the channel Forgotten Weapons and let gun Jesus explain things to you.
They’re completely wrong on a few fundamental points
Subsonic ammunition combined with the best silencers are super quiet, they sound like an air gun / totally could be used in ways they say you can't.....
@@DansilSchroeder
That's just bad advice, which is typical of someone who sounds like you. Always use ear protection, literally no reason not to outside of a defensive situation.
One thing that you did not touch on in this video was subsonic ammunition. There are special cartridge words that complement suppressors. I think armor three even touches on this. Great video.
I watched a video about the Welrod, in addition to the baffles had rubber disks. The bullet passes making a hole and supressing the sound and was good for about five shots before the disks had to be replaced.
*on the western front*
Shows russian Maxim on the eastern front
LoL
If you're in Russia ... where is the "Eastern Front" from your perspective?
@@Kyrelel russia had European front and Caucasian front, no east or west fronts
And? Hes just giving a picture of the gun
I kind of already knew about this but it is interesting to see this in full detail. This and the shotguns having a much larger range than they do in games are some interesting gun myths.
Shotguns should be as efdective as rifles i. Most cod maps. ;P
@@guitarsaremyfriendzzz7077
Or Doom's shotgun.
@@civilwarfare101 I know. Especially if you have a tight choke.
@@guitarsaremyfriendzzz7077
I unfortunately know very little about that but that is interesting though.
In Call of Duty Modern Warfare (2019) it is the most accurate one in the whole game world if im not remembering wrong. As you said following one must be the Arma.
Escape from Tarkov is way more realistic
You mean call of duty clam war window warfare 2019
"But in reality, would sound a lot like this."
*fires unsuppressed handgun*
Even with subsonic rounds you have to convert the gun to single shot or everyone who matters will still recognize the sound of the slide, which is louder than most people think.
*"He got me but i dont give a shit"* 9:54
This NPC takes not caring to a whole new level
Ridge frost I came directly to the comments after watching that 😂😂😂
6:25 also what the heck is up with that damn mini altoids suppressor on that gun
only thing thats gonna suppress is my expectations
Kid at school shoots other kid in bathroom with silencer thinking it would be quiet, little did he know
In ARMA 3, suppressed doesn't keep the enemy from identifying your location either. It only increases the amount of time it takes for them to find you.
Imagine finally getting to your appointment with the alleged resident firearms expert at the Royal Armory museum of England just to see him wearing a gamer Xenomorph t-shirt.
I for one would be ecstatic.
Now this is a good history video!
I remember when Hillary talked about suppressors it was basically taboo to say that silencers aren't silent at all.
if a sub-sonic round is used, then it actually will be silent, except for the sound of the action of the gun
Shuriken250 depends on caliber
Anonymity exactly. some calibers are sub-sonic, such as .45 acp, or .22 long rifle
not really...its just quiet but the firing sound still exists
No such thing as a silent weapon. That just goes against physics
Please use TH-cam search and search for silencer subsonic...They are freaking slient like an air rifle. The reloading is louder than the gun...
"He got me, but I don't give a s**t" 😂😂😂😂 that was absolutely brilliant.
I use suppressors IRL quite frequently since i am a hunter, and suppressors are legal in sweden and can be sold over the counter as long as you have a license for the gun it's supposed to be used with.
On a .308 win rifle it reduces sound from 160db to 130db. Which is from Incredibly hurtingly deafening loud to unpleasantly loud. I use it for night hunting hogs since it removes the muzzle flash (Which is a huge thing when using IR and hunting at night) and recoil rather than it's sound reducing properties.
One thing they didnt mention thou: Even though it doesnt remove sound and only reduce it, it modulates the sound in such a way that it goes from a loud recognizable rifle shot to something more considerably more dull and muted, almost a "BONK", akin to punching an empty plastic barrel. So it becomes more harder to identify as rifle fire, which could have some military application i suppose.
The above goes for more substantial calibres though. I imagine i could suppress a subsonic .22 to a level where it's almost like in the movies. But, i dont want to hunt wild boar in the middle of the night with a subsonic .22lr, i want to get out of the forrest alive.
This Video: *exists*
Sub Sonic Ammo: "am i a joke to you?"
"decreased range, etc", " but that wouldnt happen in real life". One of the major aspects of effective suppression of a bullet is getting past the issue of the sound of the bullet breaking the sound barrier. It's a pretty loud crack. So most of the time people are using suppressors, they'll be using subsonic ammo as well, which does perform differently than ammo that's loaded to normal spec
If I remember correctly suppressors actually do slow the bullet slightly due to some of the gas being stopped by the suppressor
I mean, most of the time when using suppresors they use sub sonic bullets. That makes a lot less noise then supersonic.
One thing that should have been mentioned is that while a silencer will decrease recoil, it will also NOT improve your accuracy as you are adding extra weight to the front end of your gun. Try holding a long stick for example and then try taping a rock to the opposite end, it'll, naturally, get a bit harder to accurately aim with it. This extra weight at the front is part of the reason recoil is reduced as well.
Funnily enough, the way the sound suppressors are usually displayed in the movies was a big reason why they were banned for civilian use in my home country of Czech Republic. Indeed, the people at the interior ministry actually took the bond movies and assassin scenes a bit too seriously which was shocking to me when I learnt about it. Same exact scenario with laser pointers.
You have Hollywood to thank for a staggeringly large amount for arbitrary gun laws.
The subconscious a muffucca. 😂 Sounds. Pay attention. There's a certain sound a gun makes when you rack one in vs racking an empty gun. Now. Some will know that. I don't doubt that much. But what you noticed subconsciously is that when you rack an empty gun it makes a certain sound. The sound of metal smashing against metal/polymer. So even if you actually could manage to completely silence a weapon. The sound of loud ass metal on metal/polymer would still exist. Even a revolver makes way more fucking clicking noises than you remember! Go ahead try it. Grab a revolver. Slowly squeeze trigger complete a full pull. Notice the hammer clicks, you can hear the cylinder turn. It's just impossible to make a completely silent gun that could repeat shots. And you know how loud shit is when your trying to be quiet. Silencer was the inventions name. Suppressor is more accurate.
The soul purpose of a suppressor is to muffle the noise of the bullet when it goes off, not to make the entire gun silent. So I’m really confused on why you went on that entire rant as if someone expected a suppressor to completely silence a gun while in use...
As an avid gun owner and gamer I want to thank you for making this video. Its a real shame suppressors are so miss represented by movies and video games. Because of that suppressors are unfortunately over regulated by our government. Though their still legal for a civilian to buy, you have to pay a 200 dollar tax stamp on top of the sales price, get your fingerprints taken, fill our extensive paperwork and wait up to a year to actually get possession of it after purchasing and filing your paperwork. All for something that is involved so little in crime that the ATF doesn't even track the collective data since their invention.
Im still waiting to get mine that I picked up :( even after spending 700 dollars for something that doesn't even make my gun hearing safe.
@Anonymous Person I bet you drill the 3rd hole and buy WISH "solvent traps" because you're such a badass. We get it dude, you want your dog to get executed.
@@fabiangonzalez-cortes8894 That was a bit harsh...
9:53 "He got me, but I don´t give a shit!" XD
If you assume that they’re using sub-sonic ammo variants the reduced damage makes some sense. If you’re using naturally sub-sonic rounds like .45ACP or .380 then there would be no difference. Also I wish you’d have discussed the trade off of louder but re-usable baffles vs. quieter wipes that need to be replaced after a couple of mags...
Anyone else bothered that a PPK is not pictured in the beginning? Its a Sig Sauer P230, which is based off the walther. In all seriousness, well done lads. thank you for being informative!
The majority of the sound made when firing a suppress gun is the bullet breaking the sound barrier. Using bullets that don’t break the sound barrier (sub-sonic) and a suppressor are very quite and do sound a lot like what is in many video games.
Yeah, they don't care. They didn't do their research, they just said what other people always say.
@@DansilSchroeder amen
Thank you, this is a real problem as things like the hearing protection act get denied as people believe suppressors are silent. Due to this they are heavily regulated even though they are essentially glorified ear plugs, they make the sound just low enough to not damage your hearing, they are still louder than a jackhammer. Due to public perception unfortunately the government can get away with a 200 dollar tax and more importantly, registering them, which kinda defeats the purpose of the second amendment.
Hollywood and popular culture is doing a lot of damage, on all fronts.
Video games logic:
Silencers:Shooting 100 meters and still kills the target with one shot
headshot
@@zakbb497 silecers are slowing bullet down a lot,even headshots cannot be done above 20m
@@frankcastle4547 it depends on the load. Sub vs supersonic. The particular chambering, atmosperic conditions etc etc.
the noise a pistol or rifle makes can be broken down into 3 parts. the detonation of propellent and escaping gasses, the projectile breaking the sound barrier, and the action of the weapon which in some cases can make a fair amount of noise.
now the suppressor of course quiets the escaping gasses however if you have a semi automatic weapon a lot of that noise escapes out of the ejection port and of course if you have a revolver the cylinder barrel gap. a bolt action rifle for example takes this out of the equation but depending on the firearm setup may not be much of an issue.
the last thing is the kind of ammo you use. if you use sub sonic ammo you eliminate the sound of the projectile breaking the sound barrier. this coupled with a suppressor will quiet things down a fair bit and in some cases surprisingly so. on this point i would like to mention that arma 2 (i haven't played much of 3) not only has weapons with silencers but also sub sonic ammo and if used in conjunction while not silencing the firearm report completely is a lot quieter than full power ammo.
now, i want to be clear. even with subsonic ammo and a suppressor you can hear a 9mm pistol firing alright, and it's not like it's going to let you take out a bad guy without everyone in the next room hearing you do it even if they're watching wheel of fortune on the tv and having a loud conversation too.
this brings me to my experience. i've had the pleasure of firing a few firearms with subsonic ammo that were also silenced but when it comes to .22 one day i was shown a ruger (i believe it was a 10/22 1256) that was silenced running subsonic ammo. the rifle was tuned to run the ammo so it cycled like a champ which can be an issue sometimes with low power ammo. now this thing was so quiet the only thing you could hear was the action go click every time i pulled the trigger like i was dry firing it.