Wanted to say thank you for 100 subscribers, hope you enjoy the tierlist and would love to see yours! A quick note that I'm live Monday-Thursday 3:30-6:30p PT & Sat/Sun 9a-1p PT - You can follow on www.twitch.tv/zainotv if you want to watch us battle this game live. Edit: Reading through these comments is really swinging my opinion, I've only passed one gold stake, and Im about half-way to gold on all other decks. (The Let's Play is behind). Ill have to make another tier list after playing on gold stakes, as I've seen some great tips and opinions in the comment section!
I feel like its weird to put gold joker up at A tier with cloud 9 down at D. on the floor of it (most of the time) cloud 9 is going to generate the same value with the potential to generate even more very easily.
I like delayed gratification when playing checkered deck or anything where you are doing high card build.. Same with supernova. That is one of my favorite for checkered deck. Space joker also great for checkered deck/ same types of runs.
As I continue to watch, I actually think you underrate a lot of jokers. It makes me curious, are you rating them based off endless performance, or high stake runs? Because a lot of these cards you rate low are phenomenal in gold stakes runs
I've only done gold stake on one deck (Im getting closer on a few more), and through that, I just didn't see highcard runs as viable. Reading through these comments, I am seeing what cards make more sense with it, now.
Strong disagree on supernova. In terms of beating ante 8, having a reliable engine is critical, especially on higher stakes. On high stakes with checkered deck, to me it's basically an instant take. You are playing more hands, and every hand is a flush. It works with either spades or hearts. You just need something workable, and supernova is usually guaranteed to be at least moderately useful.
@@karlangas9292I think supernova and pants are b tier, abd Bus is probably c tier because it scales slower. They may not be optimal in endless, but they are good for beating runs.
thats funny i just paused when i heard that ranking and you were top comment lol. I got lucky and got a foil supernova,pair of pants, and stencil joker on ante 3 and it beat the whole run for me on green stakes just playing two pairs
I will stand up for Space Joker specifically because its benefit is permanent and *not* tied to the joker itself. One proc is enough to justify its cost compared to getting lucky with celestial packs, and any more is just gravy. And then when you get later into the run, you can swap it out while still keeping the extra chips and multiplier it got for you, which were in arguably the most important place for scaling lategame.
Delayed gratification is one of the best early game econ cards for the checkered deck. It has carried me to a solid economy state in several of my high chip checkered deck runs
Agreed... If you're close to one shotting blinds with discards, you just now use every single play as Hands only, and while you'll lose $1 per hand "wasted", you'd end up with $2 in reward for the saved discard. That money can grow REALLY fast, especially since you're getting points for plays that used to be discards, which can easily result in an extra play/hand saved
Yeah agreed, especially in high card and pair builds its quite easy to have this pop literally every single round for +8 gold, which stacks quite fast.
Personally, I do think that hack are not as good as you give credit to. Yes it can pop off with polychrome cards and stuff like that but in the early game, it doesn't do enough justice for retriggering 2-5s, you just get at most 25 more chips. It only just worth it to go for hack with fibonacci in my opinion.
What about a flush build with hack and uncommon club joker? Seems stronger to me than with Fibonacci. If you get the deck down to 2s-5s that’s a guaranteed +80 mult everytime, and if the cards are polychrome it would really pop.
Hack is also good with wee joker, odd Todd, even Steven, and pretty much any jokers that trigger when one of these cards is played. It’s like adding a red seal to like 16 cards in your deck. Red seals need some synergy to be good but damn are they good when they have it
Yeah, Hack synergizes with a surprising amount of jokers. And if you're building around Hack you don't insta-lose to The Plant. Had a run yesterday with Tribulet where my best hand was 8mil but I lost on ante 5 to The Plant. To be fair if I was paying attention I would have bought a few different jokers just to get me through that boss but I was not, so my build was fully all-in on my face cards. Regardless that doesn't happen to Hack builds. Wee Joker + Hack is incredibly strong and really fun. Fibonacci + Hack will pretty much win you a run with a few enhanced cards, and it's a decent way to build +mult before steel cards trigger. Odd Todd + Hack solves the issue of Hack being useless early game. Even Stevens + Hack also strong early game. Hack is really fun to build around and super strong. It's just not strong fully in a vacuum. But like, enhance 4 cards in your deck and it's super strong. Get ONE other synergistic joker and it's super powerful. Hack isn't a joker that works out of context, and people saying it should drop a few tiers just because by itself it only gives a small amount of chips are missing the point a bit. I get where they're coming from, I've lost runs in early antes because I grabbed Hack and didn't get anything that worked with it. You can definitely argue it shouldn't be S tier, that's fair (I might disagree, not entirely sure exactly where I place it) but it's definitely A tier at minimum. I am viewing this somewhat more from a high score angle than a high stakes angle, but Hack + synergistic joker has gotten me through high stakes runs, too.
Ancient Joker doesn't follow the same rules as other Jokers that search through your deck and only pick things you have. For example, even if you are playing the Checkered Deck, it can still choose Clubs or Diamonds as its suit. Not sure if this is intended by the dev or an oversight.
I think (and hope?) it's intended.. otherwise it feels like overtune a bit imo, and I like timing my preffered suit with the time i play the boss as well, bit more strategizing to it ^^
Delayed Gratification has absolutely carried a few of my runs for economy, no doubt about it. It's the kinda Joker I only pick when I'm doing some High Card or Pair build where I just jam random crap to score, though. It's disgustingly valuable in the early Antes if you hit a decent Mult Joker (Half-Joker or even +4, etc.). You just slam random crap for a couple rounds and collect $$$ Green Joker has done something similar; it's especially amazing if you can pair it with the Tarot Joker and the Vagabond.
Gift card is not even close to E-tier purely because of temperance. If you're going for a tarot heavy run, gift card in the mid-late game can easily boost temperance to a "gain $50" card and you can get rid of it as soon as you've buffed your jokers enough (which doesn't take long). It's honestly one of the most consistent ways to make money if you're generating/buying tarot cards a lot.
Can I just say, kudos to you for going through all these comments! This game more than most attracts nitpicks, and you seem to be taking them very humbly. Respect to you for that.
I appreciate it, and I mean there are 150 jokers so were never going to agree with everything. If people disagree with 5-15 rankings and have ideas on how they can be good/worse, I think it makes sense to hear them out.
I think Space joker is not that bad. If you have a blueprint it can even be extremely good (insane scaling). Without a space joker I would not have beaten gold stake. Burnt joker is perfect for easily replaceable hands, but space joker is better for the difficult setup ones. 1 in 4 makes it quite reliant on luck, but even if you just get a few procs before selling it (and you want to sell it eventually), it can be very good value. You just have to get it early enough. 1 in 3 would probably not be too strong a buff, but I just think it's a quite solid joker on its own. Hand lvl is very strong especially after orange stake where getting celestial packs is much harder. Just because so few jokers can do what it does (and hand lvl is always valuable) I think it's above average at least.
Why do you consider Gros Michel better than Raised Fist or Abstract Joker if it is worse than both? It only gives +15, the fist averages at +15 and can go +22, the Abstract can go +18 with a negative joker and they don't have 1 in 4 chances of being lost -edit: checked the wiki- Oh I see, its to unlock cavendish, I wish the card description said something about it
I love Delayed Gratification for the first few antes. In the late game, it's definitely be a burden. But getting 4-8 gold per round outpaces the couple bucks you lose for using extra hands, and it can ramp you up to earning interest after only a 2-3 hands.
I had a fun strat that got me to ante 14 before I lost: I had a Blueprint joker and a Burnt Joker and every round I first discarded a pair. Got up to level 31 for the pair, was awesome!
When I saw Hack come up, I was so sure it was going to be bottom tier! I will have to try it out. I think because it is for low-ranked cards I assumed it could not be good, but if I can get some enhanced / edition low tiers... I see the potential, now. Great video.
after playing more i think knife and madnes are very underrated atleast for black stake+ runs. Madnes can easialy hit 6-8X mult or even 10 if you get it on ante 1, aswell as a early knife can take around 3 $ for 2 mult each round, this also synergizes with any joker generation. Both of these become way better with eternal jokers as after around 32 mult on the knife you can place an eternal joker wall to stop it from destroying more jokers, and for madnes having 3 other key jokers is ussualy enough when you have between 6-10X mult
I'd say you're being overly harsh on supernova, while I do agree with your reasoning and by the time it kicks off you typically want multiplicative jokers. In the absence of multiplicative jokers (which sometimes just won't show up...) anything above a +20 mult is going to be outperforming your even steven / suit +20 jokers on every hand. Is it as easy to get off the ground as those? No. And for that combined with the multiplicative reasoning I can see justifying putting it in D or E tier. But playing the hand you're dealt I'd pick supernova over many other jokers in that mid-to-late game when you're just NOT getting multiplicative jokers in the shop. Supernova won't win you endless, but it'll run you that basic win. Now I suspect that part of your reasoning comes from looking at which jokers will win you higher end challenge runs etc -- but like jokers that require specific setups, that in and of itself tends to require specific setups since you do need to get the luck of the draw. You're not going to get those infinite combo builds reliably every game. And in that situation, if you're gonna put supernova in F? Then surely a mere +20 mult cap of the other above mentioned cards should be right along with it for the same reasons...
Extremely well constructed comment and I have for sure come around. I think you make a great point that it's not a joker I need to get early for it to have it's scaling effect active. I've definitely come around on it and it's been in a couple of higher stakes wins for me now. Would for sure move it up. However, want to say if I hadn't had this realization yet, I would be trying it out after this comment, again appreciate the effort and explaintion that went into it.
Kind of disagree with splash. It almost lets you play any hand you want and still activate cards with desired abilities that might not normally fit the hand.
Matador gives you 8 dollars everytime you trigger the Boss Blind. That means, if you trigger the Boss Blind (let's say, playing a debuffed card) in all 4 hands, you get 32 dollars. It's actually a very good economy joker if you have a good Boss Blind to play it off of.
Wow, I don't know how I've only ever had it trigger once per boss blind, but Im realizing I just assumed its once per boss. That makes it much more viable!
But on the other hand, it doesn't trigger on most bosses, as I remember only 6 out of 28 bosses debuff cards and as I remember, only debuff cards count as triggering boss blind, so yes, you can get 32$, but you have to be lucky that you get the right boss (less then 1/4 chance and it doesn't get boosted by Oops! All 6s), don't get destroyed by it (since your deck may depend on the debuffed cards), play it with -1 joker slot (unless you got a negative Matador) and then you have to carefully play to win but not too early. It's only really useful if you got a good combination of jokers with at least one free slot and get it after a big blind before a boss that works with it.
The cer dagger is actually really good, it scales pretty consistently in base game, it only gets weak in inf mode, so imo its a instant run winner, especially when you get the egg
I feel like Supernova's can be okay in spots. I just have a hard time saying any additive mult is terrible when it can save you a hand played. It's biggest issue, IMO, is it's cost at 5. If it cost 4 or 3, it'd easily be below average for me. As is, I still think it's way better than some bad items.
29:45 Cloud 9 is just as good as egg isn't it? You gain a default of $4 every round instead of $3. Unless you get temperence before selling egg or somehow have removed 9s early, it should be even better early game.
I really wish you put the card on screen so we could read it while you're talking about it. You have the wikia on the right but it's not scrolled with the card you're talking about. Hurts the watch-ability of the video a bit. Otherwise good stuff.
can u explain why cloud 9 is so much lower than golden joker? They feel equivalent to me from my playing. i guess cloud 9 gets worse if ur destroying or deathing 9s but i feel like 9s are pretty low priority for stuff i want to get rid of n at the point im really popping off with card destruction i already have a solid economy anyway.
I think diet cola is not even good, because you have to justify a joker slot for it and it basically a do nothing card until you get a good tag. Because its an uncommon joker, if you encounter it early game, you dont want to buy and waste precious interest on a joker that doesnt get you through antes, especially in high stakes, and in late game, you rarely have a joker slot to buy diet cola
Honestly, you're really underrating all the additive mult jokers. I just won on red deck gold stake with a red card that had +66 mult, square joker with +100ish chips and bootstraps with +38. My mult jokers combined gave 13.15x mult. I was only playing level 2 pairs pretty much the whole run, with essentially just a clean unenhanced deck. Without my additive mult and additive chips jokers, I'm making maybe 25 x 40, but with all my stuff additive jokers, it's 125 x 1300. I've had similar gold stake wins with ride the bus and green joker, which are easy to get early on, and you can pretty easily add +10 mult per ante, and get to a sizeable mult by ante 5-6, while clearing those antes that come before without too much effort. That huge base mult can then be multiplied by your mult jokers to get enough to clear the higher antes. Sure, you can get a large base mult through enhancing your cards or planets, but it's way easier and cheaper to just pick up something like the green joker and build that up. It's also not like it's one or the other either, you can still use planet and arcana cards while building your additive mult. However, on higher stakes, planet cards or arcana cards alone won't be enough to get you through the early antes, and you won't have the cash to buy both booster packs and jokers. Additive mult jokers, on the other hand, are powerful enough to clear early antes, and are cheap and common. As a bonus, they synergize very well with obelisk, as you’ve probably spammed like 30 high cards leveling them up, and once you grab obelisk, you can just switch to pair or whatever’s easy for insane Xmult. Personally, I'd move green joker all the way up to S-Tier, and all the others (bus, pants, red card, supernova, etc.) up a fair bit too. Nice video though, it was interesting to hear your thought process, even though I don't agree with some of the placements. I've started picking up stuntman more too, and he's always fun. subscribed :) Side note: Hack is like D-tier
Hack is S-tier in my heart, but yeah I overrated it. Its interesting to hear peoples thoughts on additive mult jokers, I've been using them more, especially Supernova. Although on my purple+ stake runs, I'm still not using them whole lot. Especially red card, considering how fast packs get expensive. I think you made some really good points, and I'm going to make a bit of an effort the next few high stakes run on stream to try additive mult jokers to see if I can play around them better.
New hanging chad is insane. Especially with photograph. High card build goes crazy with it. Just did a purple stake with red deck and got early Ramen + Brainstorm into Hanging Chad + Wee Joker. Was a bit touch and go until I dumped Flash Card for Photograph. Didn't discard a single time after my first round despite that being the whole point of the deck.
I'm still new (30 hours in) but checkered deck with green joker and burglar is pretty solid. You're almost always playing a flush, get +1 hand size voucher and it becomes always. And super position should just be a common that let's aces bridge a straight with kings and 2's.
mime is s tier because if its combinations with other jokers/cards. Ceremonial dagger is bad because u need other jokers (egg etc) to synergize with it for it being s tier flat multer. Make it make sense.
35:43 I had an insane rune with hallucination and the dice joker that doubles every chance. I had the voucher to guarante my plant packs to have my most played hand and I got twice the chance for planetarium booster pack appearing. In other words, pure insanity, I had like a level 10 flush that carried my ass, and any tarot card that i got and didnt want I just sold. Overall the joker requires a lot of setup but it pays off
love that the cards that got me the most wins like supernova and space joker are F tier :D, thanks for the tier list bro, i wonder how it will be relevant for 1.0.1
Hmmm, great point. Most decks are going to have 4 9s at the time I would be using gold joker. I guess I often get rid of my 9s very quickly since them and 6s I don't see a ton of use for, but they should not be so far apart at all.
Delayed Gratification is A or S for SURE .. don't use Discard get guaranteed +$6 .. if not $8 or $10 ... makes you rich quick if you don't discard, combine that with the +chips per discard its crazy
especially putting EGG in A tier ... Delayed guaranteed +$6 per ROUND and Egg you need two-three rounds to even make it happen and by then you could have +$18-30 with Delayed .. jusayin haha
You should do a Joker tier list for Orange Stake difficulty, I think a lot of people would like to see the different rankings in relation to this list (or maybe just me xD) EDIT: Also, Campfire Joker is the best Joker in the game imo, there are so many other Jokers that generate cards, and even without them, there are so many easily bought and sold cards for crazy x mult scaling, it's my insta-pick option OTHER EDIT: Oops forgot to mention how enjoyable this was to watch, I just want more!
I don't think you're evaluating additive mult correctly. Your best scaling setups are usually one good additive mult joker combined with mult multis or big chips (the chips per gold can scale insanely well). Ride the bus with correct play can be +60 mult and scales nicely as the game goes along. This is usually comparable or better than a x3 mult if you don't have other +mult jokers, unless you get really lucky with planets. Any additive mult joker that can single-handedly cover your additive needs is very strong. Also, burglar is an economy joker that scales specific jokers like Ride the Bus really well. An abandoned deck setup with Burglar can get +100 mult on Ride the Bus.
I think most of your opinions are pretty good. Just wanted to weigh in on Supernova vs Ride the Bus to see what you thought: Both jokers scale around the same slow speed at 1 per hand (albeit with a different "per hand" condition) but Ride the Bus resets whereas Supernova does not. To me, this means they should either be the same tier or Supernova over Ride the Bus. Outside of specific cases (like abandoned deck) I also personally feel like triggering Ride the Bus is even harder than triggering Supernova anyway. Am I missing something? Why the hate on Supernova but not Ride the Bus?
Curious to hear more on your thoughts on obelisk. I feel like it is not very good considering you are building your jokers and deck around one or two types of hands. Additionally, it doesn’t *really* scale, considering at some point you will HAVE to play your most played hand and it will get reset. S tier seems quite high! Those are my thoughts though, would be interested to hear more of yours!
Putting Gift Card 5 tiers under Egg is insane. Neither are really that good but I'll take Gift Card over Egg any day. Egg may have a higher floor, but Gift Card has a much, much higher ceiling. Gift Card gives +$7 in value every turn with 5 joker slots and 2 consumables but it can scale so much greater than that. You even mentioned Swashbuckler synergy with Egg but ignored Swashbuckler synergy with Gift Card. I had a Gift Card/Swashbuckler run with 2-3 negatives and Swashbuckler was over 100 mult by the end of the run with multiple xMults behind it. It's so much better than Egg imo.
I completely forgot about the fact it effect consumable card, I think you're right and if I went back I would put both into average tier. Watching this the next morning I already disagree with myself a bit. I.e. blackboard should be s-tier if card sharp is.
Yeah but egg joker plus dagger can get you similar mult just as fast. But like he said Xmult > +mult anyways so not much of a discussion concerning real point options. I guess they would be equivalent
Delayed gratification is actually pretty amazing early game - You can get an extra 6 or 8 gold per round if you have a good start. Then obvi it's becoming less useless :)
@@ZainoTVLive If I had to say just one thing in its favor, it's that it's the card that helped me beat that damn black deck for the first time, so it has a special place in my heart :)
My Dude, putting Gift Card in Bad tier is def a blunder. It adds +1$ to itself, other jokers and consumables. Take this for a few rounds with a cheap useless planet card and sell everything once you find something better. It is way better than other economy jokers and you an get really fun results with egg, dagger or pirate (plus the rest of temperance cards will be better for the rest of the run)
I've been a Wee Joker hater since day 1. After I saw your placement I decided to buy it in a seemingly doomed run, and ended that run with 16 2s and Wee Joker at +842 chips. I've been enlightened Good list tho :)
And here i felt like a genius for combining green joker and burglar for.a high card build on base difficulty, all while ignoring some of your strongest staples. ADDING cards is per se a good thing now? Its been years since i found a deckbuilding game like that. It sounds like youre rethinking some things atm but even the parts of the list you no longer agree with are food for thought. Youve given me a lot of new things to try.
There is a ton of ways to play, especially in the first half of stakes. As you get higher, your classic deckbuilder, high card, additive mult, etc starts to become much more meta. I'm glad I could spark some new play style ideas!
I would put sixth sense in the good tier. I basically buy it for 2 rounds, fish for 6s and once ive procced it twice or maybe 3 times I sell it. It's like a much less good trading card but getting a few spectral cards can be insane. Maybe get deja vu out of it. .
Gift Card deserves A-tier, after some rounds it maxes out your Temperance cards to 50$ plus you get to sell it at a higher price than when you bought it. It's saved so many runs for me economy-wise and it's incredible with tarot generator jokers like vagabond getting a chance to get temperance or selling the useless tarot cards for 1$ more than you would've if you sold it right away. it all adds up and for 1 joker slot, gift card is really good and deserves a higher spot
the only legendary Joker I've got so far was Yorick, and it was too late in my run to activate him. I got to the boss of ante 8, and it was the one where you have to sell a Joker- I decided my priority was winning the run, so I sold Yorick with like 11 discards left.
I’ve never had the hack pop off he’s an F tier for me. I usual throw all my good modifiers on high cards. Delayed gratification is fantastic, kind of a win more card but it can really let you seize the momentum pre ante 5
aintnoway you put onyx in b tier. +mult on card trigger is way better than standard joker mult and its +8. This gets buffed by steel and glass cards, retrigger, and xmult.
This seems like less of a tier list and more of how often do I pick these. Also seems to score down joker of higher variety like they are binned, this is wrong you can get multiple rare jokers at the same time.
I think the how good a joker is and how often I can utilize it, are heavily correlated. However, I get what you're putting down and Im trying to do more unique runs on stream to implement some of the jokers the comments said I undervalued.
Can anyone confirm the ancient joker selection cos I dunno if I'm loosing my marbles but on a checkered deck I got diamonds and it totally destroyed my run.
There are a lot of controversial things in your picks imho. However, it is useful to see them listed out. There are actually a few I haven't unlocked yet (the family flush one and golden ticket for sure) so that alone was interesting to hear about. I don't recall you mentioning a few I think are quite quirky, invisible and certificate. The latter of which has helped me in a few runs to get a winning deck.
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Great video, thanks for your effort. I will definitely try some of the cards I usually just ignore.(Hack?!). My hardest disagrees would be 'raised fist' and 'to the moon' both of which are very solid early game cards. I would pick moon over gold joker every time. Also, I feel like Baron is pretty difficult to play around, but maybe that's just a skill issue 😅
Baron and hack can be a little hard to play around, but they are jokers that just crush higher antes imo. Raised fist is pretty solid early game I agree, moon I'm still meh about unless I'm misunderstanding the card.
@@ZainoTVLive Hey, thanks for responding. I generally prioritize interest early game, hitting the breakpoints and going to 25$ asap and then go from there on out. In that sense I kinda see 25$ as 0 if that makes sense and moon just means I get 5 $ extra each round which can scale up with vouchers even more. Its certainly more difficult to reach and hold the 25 on higher antes but since I always try to do it anyway it's usually worth for me.
I've literally not lost with delayed grat. If I get a banner early I hope for nothing more than delayed grat. Its stupid easy to have like $250 by 7th ante even on green stake and feeling so overpowered spending it seems pointless. Loyalty and delayed grat is absolutely broken until near late game on any run. I have only beat purple stake so far though Also, cloud nine is literally just golden joker but better because it has the potential to exceed $4 and will also get $4 even if it doesn't. But both are still worse than delayed grat with a no discard run
You're like the 10th commenter letting me know how good delayed grat is, I'm going to have to use it in stream later. Sounds OP now that I sat down and really applied the thought process to higher stakes.
Maybe for high score, but if youre talking about pushing high stakes, this tier list is pretty off base. Supernova is one of the best jokers for consistently beating high stakes, space joker is also very powerful (both are pivotal high card jokers, high card being the most consistent strategy for beating high stakes) Making a tier list thats both for high score and higher difficulties is quite impossible because baron is one of the best high score jokers but is terrible for gold stakes.
Not gold stake, but my purple stake run I utilized baron to win. I think its great for both. I get the high card movement for gold stakes, and can see Supernova being more valuable then where I placed it. Space Joker though, I'm never going to agree with, me and him have beef.
i was about to say the same thing! Supernova carried me through my first gold stake win. it's not glamorous, but it works so well in high card/pair builds
I find that if I get ride the bus in ante 1, on any deck, that almost carries by itself. I just need a little extra help after that. I end up having to do math to make sure I use all hands each round, and just accept being poor the whole game, but it does seem to work. If I also get vagabond, the run is already over. It obviously isn't going to set high scores in endless, but if I'm just trying to beat ante 8, I think it is very good. That was the only card you had that I disagreed by 4 or more tiers.
I feel like I get in weird situations with ride the bus on higher stakes where I HAVE to play a face card. Its happened twice now. However, I do agree my rating is much too low
I highly doubt if he ever plays on a purple stake and above. He seems not understand what scaling means in this game. EVERY scaling joker is placed in an extreme low rank. Burnt is definitely one of the best joker in this game. Green/bus/nova/square all of them are a solid S.
In my last winning run, I used a Spectral to turn a bunch of cards into Kings, then I got DNA and made more Kings, then I got Baron, and then I got Cavendish, and I was focusing on three of a kinds and full houses with all the Kings. Got some Steel Kings. It was going crazy. I had like 20 Kings
I feel like the comments are missing the point of the tier list. It's not that a low-tier joker is always bad, it's that it's going to be bad far more often than the high-tier jokers. Similar to slay the spire, There is almost always a situation where one of these cards can be very good in a niche moment, but the best Jokers are always good at all moments.
I'm really surprised you rate Splash that low... in so many decks, you can get extra bonuses by having an additional card count. It's extra mult from Ancient Joker, extra +mult from Fibonacci, extra +mult from the suit cards, even more extra if you also have Hack... it's extremely solid IMO.
Ill need to explore more, I've tried a couple times and always ended up replacing it because I end up just playing 5-cards that score due to deck manipulation
Deli card seems like it was inspired by slay the spire. It might actually be good if it was active on every 5th hand. Makes it stronger with blue deck or if you get the voucher.
So, for the early game, yes. However, late game you often have x-mult and decent base-mult from the level of hands/the modifications on cards and you actually are needing chips to balance out the blue and red boxes. So, I feel like chip jokers are viable all game, while those minimal addition mult jokers are only viable early game.
Man this was an amazing video. If I could give one point of feedback as a n00b, I think you need different lists for early vs late game. For some of these guys, the difference is so drastic that it's completely different value depending on where you are. Whatever. Awesome video.
i had a burnt-space Joker build my flush went to level 40 no way space is bad. Also had Super Nova in that build, so hey checkered deck is just op I guess.
I had a run that started with Runner that I got running (ha) to like 200 chips even after I mostly pivoted to a Three of a Kind/Full House build. The flat chips were really nice around to, like, Ante 9 and even then I was washed anyway. But hey! Won the run!
Burglar for extremely high ante is crazy good. It can really raise the ceiling on what you can get with total score. It’s not bad as an Econ pickup either (if it’s super early). A card that is good early game and super good in the ultra late should be b or c imo. High card, red stamp steel deck with burglar can take you to the moon
You're right they shouldn't be so far apart, only big difference is Fibonacci is more protected from boss debuffs, and I feel like easier to play around in general.
Burglar is underrated. Extra hand turns into more economy, and any per-turn effects get more chances to trigger each time, plus the score increase. Its trash at going for high score and has awkward interactions with discard mechanics but for winning the game it’s great
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Edit: Reading through these comments is really swinging my opinion, I've only passed one gold stake, and Im about half-way to gold on all other decks. (The Let's Play is behind). Ill have to make another tier list after playing on gold stakes, as I've seen some great tips and opinions in the comment section!
Okay, hear me out: but what about a playing card tier list
Peep the latest tier list on the channel @@princequincy5421
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I feel like its weird to put gold joker up at A tier with cloud 9 down at D. on the floor of it (most of the time) cloud 9 is going to generate the same value with the potential to generate even more very easily.
Was going to say the same thing
I felt unlucky when my single rank spectral card was all 9. Then next shop is cloud 9. I was on cloud 9 after that 😅
Appreciate the video man, really enjoying playing this game so far
I like delayed gratification when playing checkered deck or anything where you are doing high card build.. Same with supernova. That is one of my favorite for checkered deck. Space joker also great for checkered deck/ same types of runs.
Yo this just help me get my first win. Such a good vid
Awesome to hear!
Now do all joker synergies
That sounds like a fantastic idea for a future video!
thanks!@@ZainoTVLive
As I continue to watch, I actually think you underrate a lot of jokers. It makes me curious, are you rating them based off endless performance, or high stake runs? Because a lot of these cards you rate low are phenomenal in gold stakes runs
I've only done gold stake on one deck (Im getting closer on a few more), and through that, I just didn't see highcard runs as viable. Reading through these comments, I am seeing what cards make more sense with it, now.
Gratifaction?
Strong disagree on supernova. In terms of beating ante 8, having a reliable engine is critical, especially on higher stakes. On high stakes with checkered deck, to me it's basically an instant take. You are playing more hands, and every hand is a flush. It works with either spades or hearts. You just need something workable, and supernova is usually guaranteed to be at least moderately useful.
yeah, supernova is ok. It's not the best ever but it's at least average
@@karlangas9292I think supernova and pants are b tier, abd Bus is probably c tier because it scales slower. They may not be optimal in endless, but they are good for beating runs.
100%. The rest of the list was pretty good, but Supernova in Bad is plain wrong.
@@PatrickBrophy cloud 9 should be higher imo
thats funny i just paused when i heard that ranking and you were top comment lol. I got lucky and got a foil supernova,pair of pants, and stencil joker on ante 3 and it beat the whole run for me on green stakes just playing two pairs
I will stand up for Space Joker specifically because its benefit is permanent and *not* tied to the joker itself. One proc is enough to justify its cost compared to getting lucky with celestial packs, and any more is just gravy. And then when you get later into the run, you can swap it out while still keeping the extra chips and multiplier it got for you, which were in arguably the most important place for scaling lategame.
Very valid points, tbh. I think once you get to the stake that packs are getting inflated in price it has even more of a viability to it.
Delayed gratification is one of the best early game econ cards for the checkered deck. It has carried me to a solid economy state in several of my high chip checkered deck runs
That makes sense
i was going to say, delayed graduation van be great if you're really far ahead. Already one-shotting blinds? you might as well take it.
Agreed... If you're close to one shotting blinds with discards, you just now use every single play as Hands only, and while you'll lose $1 per hand "wasted", you'd end up with $2 in reward for the saved discard. That money can grow REALLY fast, especially since you're getting points for plays that used to be discards, which can easily result in an extra play/hand saved
To be clear, it's got some narrow usage, but it's saved at least 2 of my maybe 100 runs at this point... I'd say Avg
Yeah agreed, especially in high card and pair builds its quite easy to have this pop literally every single round for +8 gold, which stacks quite fast.
Personally, I do think that hack are not as good as you give credit to. Yes it can pop off with polychrome cards and stuff like that but in the early game, it doesn't do enough justice for retriggering 2-5s, you just get at most 25 more chips. It only just worth it to go for hack with fibonacci in my opinion.
I'll bump To The Moon up a tier as well cause how much it can pop off with Money Seed/Tree
What about a flush build with hack and uncommon club joker? Seems stronger to me than with Fibonacci. If you get the deck down to 2s-5s that’s a guaranteed +80 mult everytime, and if the cards are polychrome it would really pop.
Hack is also good with wee joker, odd Todd, even Steven, and pretty much any jokers that trigger when one of these cards is played. It’s like adding a red seal to like 16 cards in your deck. Red seals need some synergy to be good but damn are they good when they have it
Yeah, Hack synergizes with a surprising amount of jokers. And if you're building around Hack you don't insta-lose to The Plant. Had a run yesterday with Tribulet where my best hand was 8mil but I lost on ante 5 to The Plant. To be fair if I was paying attention I would have bought a few different jokers just to get me through that boss but I was not, so my build was fully all-in on my face cards. Regardless that doesn't happen to Hack builds.
Wee Joker + Hack is incredibly strong and really fun. Fibonacci + Hack will pretty much win you a run with a few enhanced cards, and it's a decent way to build +mult before steel cards trigger. Odd Todd + Hack solves the issue of Hack being useless early game. Even Stevens + Hack also strong early game.
Hack is really fun to build around and super strong. It's just not strong fully in a vacuum. But like, enhance 4 cards in your deck and it's super strong. Get ONE other synergistic joker and it's super powerful. Hack isn't a joker that works out of context, and people saying it should drop a few tiers just because by itself it only gives a small amount of chips are missing the point a bit.
I get where they're coming from, I've lost runs in early antes because I grabbed Hack and didn't get anything that worked with it. You can definitely argue it shouldn't be S tier, that's fair (I might disagree, not entirely sure exactly where I place it) but it's definitely A tier at minimum. I am viewing this somewhat more from a high score angle than a high stakes angle, but Hack + synergistic joker has gotten me through high stakes runs, too.
Ancient Joker doesn't follow the same rules as other Jokers that search through your deck and only pick things you have. For example, even if you are playing the Checkered Deck, it can still choose Clubs or Diamonds as its suit. Not sure if this is intended by the dev or an oversight.
Thanks for the heads up! Ill ping this one
I think (and hope?) it's intended.. otherwise it feels like overtune a bit imo, and I like timing my preffered suit with the time i play the boss as well, bit more strategizing to it ^^
It's also pretty damn op
I'm pretty sure the bug report for this was tagged as "works as intended" by thunk, so I'm pretty sure that is intended
Delayed Gratification has absolutely carried a few of my runs for economy, no doubt about it. It's the kinda Joker I only pick when I'm doing some High Card or Pair build where I just jam random crap to score, though. It's disgustingly valuable in the early Antes if you hit a decent Mult Joker (Half-Joker or even +4, etc.). You just slam random crap for a couple rounds and collect $$$
Green Joker has done something similar; it's especially amazing if you can pair it with the Tarot Joker and the Vagabond.
Gift card is not even close to E-tier purely because of temperance. If you're going for a tarot heavy run, gift card in the mid-late game can easily boost temperance to a "gain $50" card and you can get rid of it as soon as you've buffed your jokers enough (which doesn't take long). It's honestly one of the most consistent ways to make money if you're generating/buying tarot cards a lot.
Great point that hasn't been made on Gift Card
It's essentially an econ Joker with no immediate upside. It's not E tier, but it's generally not something you want to see
If you clog consumables it also adds sell value to those cards. Good in +1 consumables deck.
Also a money printer with perkeo
Can I just say, kudos to you for going through all these comments! This game more than most attracts nitpicks, and you seem to be taking them very humbly. Respect to you for that.
I appreciate it, and I mean there are 150 jokers so were never going to agree with everything. If people disagree with 5-15 rankings and have ideas on how they can be good/worse, I think it makes sense to hear them out.
I think Space joker is not that bad. If you have a blueprint it can even be extremely good (insane scaling). Without a space joker I would not have beaten gold stake. Burnt joker is perfect for easily replaceable hands, but space joker is better for the difficult setup ones. 1 in 4 makes it quite reliant on luck, but even if you just get a few procs before selling it (and you want to sell it eventually), it can be very good value. You just have to get it early enough. 1 in 3 would probably not be too strong a buff, but I just think it's a quite solid joker on its own. Hand lvl is very strong especially after orange stake where getting celestial packs is much harder. Just because so few jokers can do what it does (and hand lvl is always valuable) I think it's above average at least.
Why do you consider Gros Michel better than Raised Fist or Abstract Joker if it is worse than both? It only gives +15, the fist averages at +15 and can go +22, the Abstract can go +18 with a negative joker and they don't have 1 in 4 chances of being lost
-edit: checked the wiki-
Oh I see, its to unlock cavendish, I wish the card description said something about it
Because it unlocks Cavendish, by far the best common in the game
I love Delayed Gratification for the first few antes. In the late game, it's definitely be a burden. But getting 4-8 gold per round outpaces the couple bucks you lose for using extra hands, and it can ramp you up to earning interest after only a 2-3 hands.
Yeah, Im realizing reading the comments I havent played it right
I had a fun strat that got me to ante 14 before I lost: I had a Blueprint joker and a Burnt Joker and every round I first discarded a pair. Got up to level 31 for the pair, was awesome!
When I saw Hack come up, I was so sure it was going to be bottom tier! I will have to try it out. I think because it is for low-ranked cards I assumed it could not be good, but if I can get some enhanced / edition low tiers... I see the potential, now. Great video.
after playing more i think knife and madnes are very underrated atleast for black stake+ runs. Madnes can easialy hit 6-8X mult or even 10 if you get it on ante 1, aswell as a early knife can take around 3 $ for 2 mult each round, this also synergizes with any joker generation. Both of these become way better with eternal jokers as after around 32 mult on the knife you can place an eternal joker wall to stop it from destroying more jokers, and for madnes having 3 other key jokers is ussualy enough when you have between 6-10X mult
I'd say you're being overly harsh on supernova, while I do agree with your reasoning and by the time it kicks off you typically want multiplicative jokers.
In the absence of multiplicative jokers (which sometimes just won't show up...) anything above a +20 mult is going to be outperforming your even steven / suit +20 jokers on every hand.
Is it as easy to get off the ground as those? No. And for that combined with the multiplicative reasoning I can see justifying putting it in D or E tier.
But playing the hand you're dealt I'd pick supernova over many other jokers in that mid-to-late game when you're just NOT getting multiplicative jokers in the shop.
Supernova won't win you endless, but it'll run you that basic win.
Now I suspect that part of your reasoning comes from looking at which jokers will win you higher end challenge runs etc -- but like jokers that require specific setups, that in and of itself tends to require specific setups since you do need to get the luck of the draw. You're not going to get those infinite combo builds reliably every game.
And in that situation, if you're gonna put supernova in F? Then surely a mere +20 mult cap of the other above mentioned cards should be right along with it for the same reasons...
Extremely well constructed comment and I have for sure come around. I think you make a great point that it's not a joker I need to get early for it to have it's scaling effect active.
I've definitely come around on it and it's been in a couple of higher stakes wins for me now. Would for sure move it up.
However, want to say if I hadn't had this realization yet, I would be trying it out after this comment, again appreciate the effort and explaintion that went into it.
Kind of disagree with splash. It almost lets you play any hand you want and still activate cards with desired abilities that might not normally fit the hand.
Matador gives you 8 dollars everytime you trigger the Boss Blind. That means, if you trigger the Boss Blind (let's say, playing a debuffed card) in all 4 hands, you get 32 dollars. It's actually a very good economy joker if you have a good Boss Blind to play it off of.
Wow, I don't know how I've only ever had it trigger once per boss blind, but Im realizing I just assumed its once per boss. That makes it much more viable!
But on the other hand, it doesn't trigger on most bosses, as I remember only 6 out of 28 bosses debuff cards and as I remember, only debuff cards count as triggering boss blind, so yes, you can get 32$, but you have to be lucky that you get the right boss (less then 1/4 chance and it doesn't get boosted by Oops! All 6s), don't get destroyed by it (since your deck may depend on the debuffed cards), play it with -1 joker slot (unless you got a negative Matador) and then you have to carefully play to win but not too early. It's only really useful if you got a good combination of jokers with at least one free slot and get it after a big blind before a boss that works with it.
The cer dagger is actually really good, it scales pretty consistently in base game, it only gets weak in inf mode, so imo its a instant run winner, especially when you get the egg
It's an instant take for me.
I feel like Supernova's can be okay in spots. I just have a hard time saying any additive mult is terrible when it can save you a hand played. It's biggest issue, IMO, is it's cost at 5. If it cost 4 or 3, it'd easily be below average for me. As is, I still think it's way better than some bad items.
29:45 Cloud 9 is just as good as egg isn't it? You gain a default of $4 every round instead of $3. Unless you get temperence before selling egg or somehow have removed 9s early, it should be even better early game.
It is, I'm making my rounds apologizing to the commenters on this one haha
I really wish you put the card on screen so we could read it while you're talking about it. You have the wikia on the right but it's not scrolled with the card you're talking about. Hurts the watch-ability of the video a bit. Otherwise good stuff.
Yeah messed up the cropping in OBS on that. Sorry
can u explain why cloud 9 is so much lower than golden joker? They feel equivalent to me from my playing. i guess cloud 9 gets worse if ur destroying or deathing 9s but i feel like 9s are pretty low priority for stuff i want to get rid of n at the point im really popping off with card destruction i already have a solid economy anyway.
I just replied to a comment, and this is a valid point and its clear Clould9 should be much higher and on par with Gold. Maybe both in above-average.
I think diet cola is not even good, because you have to justify a joker slot for it and it basically a do nothing card until you get a good tag.
Because its an uncommon joker, if you encounter it early game, you dont want to buy and waste precious interest on a joker that doesnt get you through antes, especially in high stakes, and in late game, you rarely have a joker slot to buy diet cola
Fair point, I could have rated it slightly high IMO
Honestly, you're really underrating all the additive mult jokers. I just won on red deck gold stake with a red card that had +66 mult, square joker with +100ish chips and bootstraps with +38. My mult jokers combined gave 13.15x mult. I was only playing level 2 pairs pretty much the whole run, with essentially just a clean unenhanced deck. Without my additive mult and additive chips jokers, I'm making maybe 25 x 40, but with all my stuff additive jokers, it's 125 x 1300. I've had similar gold stake wins with ride the bus and green joker, which are easy to get early on, and you can pretty easily add +10 mult per ante, and get to a sizeable mult by ante 5-6, while clearing those antes that come before without too much effort. That huge base mult can then be multiplied by your mult jokers to get enough to clear the higher antes. Sure, you can get a large base mult through enhancing your cards or planets, but it's way easier and cheaper to just pick up something like the green joker and build that up. It's also not like it's one or the other either, you can still use planet and arcana cards while building your additive mult.
However, on higher stakes, planet cards or arcana cards alone won't be enough to get you through the early antes, and you won't have the cash to buy both booster packs and jokers. Additive mult jokers, on the other hand, are powerful enough to clear early antes, and are cheap and common. As a bonus, they synergize very well with obelisk, as you’ve probably spammed like 30 high cards leveling them up, and once you grab obelisk, you can just switch to pair or whatever’s easy for insane Xmult. Personally, I'd move green joker all the way up to S-Tier, and all the others (bus, pants, red card, supernova, etc.) up a fair bit too.
Nice video though, it was interesting to hear your thought process, even though I don't agree with some of the placements. I've started picking up stuntman more too, and he's always fun. subscribed :)
Side note: Hack is like D-tier
Hack is S-tier in my heart, but yeah I overrated it. Its interesting to hear peoples thoughts on additive mult jokers, I've been using them more, especially Supernova. Although on my purple+ stake runs, I'm still not using them whole lot. Especially red card, considering how fast packs get expensive.
I think you made some really good points, and I'm going to make a bit of an effort the next few high stakes run on stream to try additive mult jokers to see if I can play around them better.
Fantastic video. Thank you.
Oh man you don’t know how to play this game at all.
To the moon in E tier hurts, ik getting more than 5 dollars out of it is hard but that's more than golden joker which is in A
I completely misinterpreted how it worked originally
The loyalty card is definitely double S. When I see it I just know I win.
New hanging chad is insane. Especially with photograph. High card build goes crazy with it.
Just did a purple stake with red deck and got early Ramen + Brainstorm into Hanging Chad + Wee Joker. Was a bit touch and go until I dumped Flash Card for Photograph.
Didn't discard a single time after my first round despite that being the whole point of the deck.
I'm still new (30 hours in) but checkered deck with green joker and burglar is pretty solid. You're almost always playing a flush, get +1 hand size voucher and it becomes always. And super position should just be a common that let's aces bridge a straight with kings and 2's.
mime is s tier because if its combinations with other jokers/cards. Ceremonial dagger is bad because u need other jokers (egg etc) to synergize with it for it being s tier flat multer. Make it make sense.
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35:43 I had an insane rune with hallucination and the dice joker that doubles every chance. I had the voucher to guarante my plant packs to have my most played hand and I got twice the chance for planetarium booster pack appearing. In other words, pure insanity, I had like a level 10 flush that carried my ass, and any tarot card that i got and didnt want I just sold. Overall the joker requires a lot of setup but it pays off
love that the cards that got me the most wins like supernova and space joker are F tier :D, thanks for the tier list bro, i wonder how it will be relevant for 1.0.1
I wish you had shown the card on screen when you are talking about each card so we know what you are referring to. Thanks for making the video.
The +4 end of round joker is A tier, but cloud 9, whose minimum floor is +4 end of round is D tier???
Hmmm, great point. Most decks are going to have 4 9s at the time I would be using gold joker. I guess I often get rid of my 9s very quickly since them and 6s I don't see a ton of use for, but they should not be so far apart at all.
it's uncommon too, that's a plus for baseball card,
just for baseball card i'd put most of uncommon jokers above aveage to be fair@@ZainoTVLive
Lucky cat carried one of my runs with DNA, it was like 8X mult bc I had a deck of red chip lucky kings
i have to disagree on showman. being able to buy multiple of the same joker is insane for a lot of builds, but overall I love the list!
Delayed Gratification is A or S for SURE .. don't use Discard get guaranteed +$6 .. if not $8 or $10 ... makes you rich quick if you don't discard, combine that with the +chips per discard its crazy
especially putting EGG in A tier ... Delayed guaranteed +$6 per ROUND and Egg you need two-three rounds to even make it happen and by then you could have +$18-30 with Delayed .. jusayin haha
Just had a run with rocket + flash card on erratic deck and it was an easy 144 mult for an easy win
Bro Ty for the vids. You’re my go to balatro dude. I tuned into stream the other day too. Keep em coming there’s a lot of newbies out here!
Appreciate the kind words and support! I'll eventually be diving into other games, but there will always be Balatro around.
Super insightful! Looking forward for the infinite run video
You should do a Joker tier list for Orange Stake difficulty, I think a lot of people would like to see the different rankings in relation to this list (or maybe just me xD)
EDIT: Also, Campfire Joker is the best Joker in the game imo, there are so many other Jokers that generate cards, and even without them, there are so many easily bought and sold cards for crazy x mult scaling, it's my insta-pick option
OTHER EDIT: Oops forgot to mention how enjoyable this was to watch, I just want more!
I like the idea, I want to do one once I finish all gold stakes
I don't think you're evaluating additive mult correctly. Your best scaling setups are usually one good additive mult joker combined with mult multis or big chips (the chips per gold can scale insanely well). Ride the bus with correct play can be +60 mult and scales nicely as the game goes along. This is usually comparable or better than a x3 mult if you don't have other +mult jokers, unless you get really lucky with planets. Any additive mult joker that can single-handedly cover your additive needs is very strong.
Also, burglar is an economy joker that scales specific jokers like Ride the Bus really well. An abandoned deck setup with Burglar can get +100 mult on Ride the Bus.
Great point! I like the idea of that set-up.
I think most of your opinions are pretty good. Just wanted to weigh in on Supernova vs Ride the Bus to see what you thought:
Both jokers scale around the same slow speed at 1 per hand (albeit with a different "per hand" condition) but Ride the Bus resets whereas Supernova does not. To me, this means they should either be the same tier or Supernova over Ride the Bus. Outside of specific cases (like abandoned deck) I also personally feel like triggering Ride the Bus is even harder than triggering Supernova anyway.
Am I missing something? Why the hate on Supernova but not Ride the Bus?
I think you brought up good points, I think they both should be in below-average tier, maybe even average, after reading all the comments.
Everyone be laughing at the negative egg until temperance shows up🥚🥚🥚
Bring on the money!!!
Curious to hear more on your thoughts on obelisk. I feel like it is not very good considering you are building your jokers and deck around one or two types of hands. Additionally, it doesn’t *really* scale, considering at some point you will HAVE to play your most played hand and it will get reset. S tier seems quite high! Those are my thoughts though, would be interested to hear more of yours!
You bring up really good points and I think as the meta has shifted for me obelisk has become a pretty terrible joker.
Putting Gift Card 5 tiers under Egg is insane. Neither are really that good but I'll take Gift Card over Egg any day. Egg may have a higher floor, but Gift Card has a much, much higher ceiling. Gift Card gives +$7 in value every turn with 5 joker slots and 2 consumables but it can scale so much greater than that. You even mentioned Swashbuckler synergy with Egg but ignored Swashbuckler synergy with Gift Card. I had a Gift Card/Swashbuckler run with 2-3 negatives and Swashbuckler was over 100 mult by the end of the run with multiple xMults behind it. It's so much better than Egg imo.
I completely forgot about the fact it effect consumable card, I think you're right and if I went back I would put both into average tier. Watching this the next morning I already disagree with myself a bit. I.e. blackboard should be s-tier if card sharp is.
Don’t sweat it with so many jokers you’re bound to flip flop on opinions
@@ZainoTVLive Definitely also give Cloud 9 (D) a bump up, since it typically starts at +4 gold, matching Golden Joker (A)
Yeah but egg joker plus dagger can get you similar mult just as fast. But like he said Xmult > +mult anyways so not much of a discussion concerning real point options. I guess they would be equivalent
Everyone forgets about Temperance. Gift Card all the way!
Delayed gratification is actually pretty amazing early game - You can get an extra 6 or 8 gold per round if you have a good start. Then obvi it's becoming less useless :)
Reading the comments has 100% intrigued me into trying it more, and in my next run.
@@ZainoTVLive If I had to say just one thing in its favor, it's that it's the card that helped me beat that damn black deck for the first time, so it has a special place in my heart :)
My Dude, putting Gift Card in Bad tier is def a blunder. It adds +1$ to itself, other jokers and consumables. Take this for a few rounds with a cheap useless planet card and sell everything once you find something better. It is way better than other economy jokers and you an get really fun results with egg, dagger or pirate (plus the rest of temperance cards will be better for the rest of the run)
Very valid points
I've been a Wee Joker hater since day 1. After I saw your placement I decided to buy it in a seemingly doomed run, and ended that run with 16 2s and Wee Joker at +842 chips. I've been enlightened
Good list tho :)
WEEEEE!
And here i felt like a genius for combining green joker and burglar for.a high card build on base difficulty, all while ignoring some of your strongest staples. ADDING cards is per se a good thing now? Its been years since i found a deckbuilding game like that.
It sounds like youre rethinking some things atm but even the parts of the list you no longer agree with are food for thought. Youve given me a lot of new things to try.
There is a ton of ways to play, especially in the first half of stakes. As you get higher, your classic deckbuilder, high card, additive mult, etc starts to become much more meta.
I'm glad I could spark some new play style ideas!
I would put sixth sense in the good tier. I basically buy it for 2 rounds, fish for 6s and once ive procced it twice or maybe 3 times I sell it. It's like a much less good trading card but getting a few spectral cards can be insane. Maybe get deja vu out of it. .
Gift Card deserves A-tier, after some rounds it maxes out your Temperance cards to 50$ plus you get to sell it at a higher price than when you bought it. It's saved so many runs for me economy-wise and it's incredible with tarot generator jokers like vagabond getting a chance to get temperance or selling the useless tarot cards for 1$ more than you would've if you sold it right away. it all adds up and for 1 joker slot, gift card is really good and deserves a higher spot
Very good point, especially for high stakes runs. I was sleeping on temperance buffers like egg or gift card.
the only legendary Joker I've got so far was Yorick, and it was too late in my run to activate him. I got to the boss of ante 8, and it was the one where you have to sell a Joker- I decided my priority was winning the run, so I sold Yorick with like 11 discards left.
I've had to do this as well, and it hurts.
I’ve never had the hack pop off he’s an F tier for me. I usual throw all my good modifiers on high cards.
Delayed gratification is fantastic, kind of a win more card but it can really let you seize the momentum pre ante 5
Walkie takie + Hack + Red seal glass 4s and youre golden, had a run like this it was busted, add Dusk to that and you're going places
aintnoway you put onyx in b tier. +mult on card trigger is way better than standard joker mult and its +8. This gets buffed by steel and glass cards, retrigger, and xmult.
Good points
This seems like less of a tier list and more of how often do I pick these.
Also seems to score down joker of higher variety like they are binned, this is wrong you can get multiple rare jokers at the same time.
I think the how good a joker is and how often I can utilize it, are heavily correlated. However, I get what you're putting down and Im trying to do more unique runs on stream to implement some of the jokers the comments said I undervalued.
You overrated misprint for sure. Cards like raised fist are waaay better because you can actually control how much mult you get.
RNG is fun though. /s
I agree, been using raised fist early, a lot more often since making this.
Can anyone confirm the ancient joker selection cos I dunno if I'm loosing my marbles but on a checkered deck I got diamonds and it totally destroyed my run.
I was wrong there, it random selects a suit not taking account into the deck.
Agree with almost everything you did but gros michel is worse than abstract. Whether that means abstract should be higher or banana lower I'm not sure
I get the point, I think due to Gros Michels ability to create Cavendish, its a must grab, unlike abstract.
Hmm.. That's very interesting. Somes are already talking about supernova, but I have to see more.
I've changed my mind about it, not F tier, but also not as high on it as others
There are a lot of controversial things in your picks imho. However, it is useful to see them listed out. There are actually a few I haven't unlocked yet (the family flush one and golden ticket for sure) so that alone was interesting to hear about.
I don't recall you mentioning a few I think are quite quirky, invisible and certificate. The latter of which has helped me in a few runs to get a winning deck.
🥚 If Egg has a million fans, then I am one of them. 🥚
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Great tier list. Props to you for taking the time to go through every joker and give logical reasoning. +1 subscriber
Thanks for the comment & sub! I think everyone brought up some good points for a refined list in the future.
showman can also get you an extra blue print or any other amazing joker that is why it is taken.
Yeah, this is something I failed to mention and have had some uses out of it since.
Great video, thanks for your effort. I will definitely try some of the cards I usually just ignore.(Hack?!). My hardest disagrees would be 'raised fist' and 'to the moon' both of which are very solid early game cards. I would pick moon over gold joker every time. Also, I feel like Baron is pretty difficult to play around, but maybe that's just a skill issue 😅
Baron and hack can be a little hard to play around, but they are jokers that just crush higher antes imo.
Raised fist is pretty solid early game I agree, moon I'm still meh about unless I'm misunderstanding the card.
@@ZainoTVLive Hey, thanks for responding. I generally prioritize interest early game, hitting the breakpoints and going to 25$ asap and then go from there on out. In that sense I kinda see 25$ as 0 if that makes sense and moon just means I get 5 $ extra each round which can scale up with vouchers even more. Its certainly more difficult to reach and hold the 25 on higher antes but since I always try to do it anyway it's usually worth for me.
I've literally not lost with delayed grat. If I get a banner early I hope for nothing more than delayed grat. Its stupid easy to have like $250 by 7th ante even on green stake and feeling so overpowered spending it seems pointless. Loyalty and delayed grat is absolutely broken until near late game on any run. I have only beat purple stake so far though
Also, cloud nine is literally just golden joker but better because it has the potential to exceed $4 and will also get $4 even if it doesn't. But both are still worse than delayed grat with a no discard run
You're like the 10th commenter letting me know how good delayed grat is, I'm going to have to use it in stream later. Sounds OP now that I sat down and really applied the thought process to higher stakes.
Maybe for high score, but if youre talking about pushing high stakes, this tier list is pretty off base. Supernova is one of the best jokers for consistently beating high stakes, space joker is also very powerful (both are pivotal high card jokers, high card being the most consistent strategy for beating high stakes) Making a tier list thats both for high score and higher difficulties is quite impossible because baron is one of the best high score jokers but is terrible for gold stakes.
Not gold stake, but my purple stake run I utilized baron to win. I think its great for both. I get the high card movement for gold stakes, and can see Supernova being more valuable then where I placed it. Space Joker though, I'm never going to agree with, me and him have beef.
i was about to say the same thing! Supernova carried me through my first gold stake win. it's not glamorous, but it works so well in high card/pair builds
I find that if I get ride the bus in ante 1, on any deck, that almost carries by itself. I just need a little extra help after that. I end up having to do math to make sure I use all hands each round, and just accept being poor the whole game, but it does seem to work. If I also get vagabond, the run is already over. It obviously isn't going to set high scores in endless, but if I'm just trying to beat ante 8, I think it is very good.
That was the only card you had that I disagreed by 4 or more tiers.
I feel like I get in weird situations with ride the bus on higher stakes where I HAVE to play a face card. Its happened twice now. However, I do agree my rating is much too low
I highly doubt if he ever plays on a purple stake and above. He seems not understand what scaling means in this game. EVERY scaling joker is placed in an extreme low rank. Burnt is definitely one of the best joker in this game. Green/bus/nova/square all of them are a solid S.
appreciate the effort put into an hour video! having the table on the right is amazing, ive legit never seen another tierlist video that has done this
Thanks! I thought it could be helpful, having a 150 jokers to rank forced me to be creative on how to bring the time down for each joker.
In my last winning run, I used a Spectral to turn a bunch of cards into Kings, then I got DNA and made more Kings, then I got Baron, and then I got Cavendish, and I was focusing on three of a kinds and full houses with all the Kings. Got some Steel Kings. It was going crazy. I had like 20 Kings
I feel like the comments are missing the point of the tier list. It's not that a low-tier joker is always bad, it's that it's going to be bad far more often than the high-tier jokers. Similar to slay the spire, There is almost always a situation where one of these cards can be very good in a niche moment, but the best Jokers are always good at all moments.
Thanks for the comment, I've had to explain this in a few places. However, I do have some things I would change at this point with the list itself.
I mean a bunch of the S and SS jokers are pretty situational I'd say
I'm really surprised you rate Splash that low... in so many decks, you can get extra bonuses by having an additional card count. It's extra mult from Ancient Joker, extra +mult from Fibonacci, extra +mult from the suit cards, even more extra if you also have Hack... it's extremely solid IMO.
Ill need to explore more, I've tried a couple times and always ended up replacing it because I end up just playing 5-cards that score due to deck manipulation
Deli card seems like it was inspired by slay the spire. It might actually be good if it was active on every 5th hand. Makes it stronger with blue deck or if you get the voucher.
Completely agree here
What is the slay the spire inapiration you refer to? I am trying to remember something similar in slay the spire but havent played in a few months
I'm really confused why you put the mult cards below the chip cards for pair, three of a kind etc, aren't mult cards way better than chip cards 🤔
So, for the early game, yes. However, late game you often have x-mult and decent base-mult from the level of hands/the modifications on cards and you actually are needing chips to balance out the blue and red boxes. So, I feel like chip jokers are viable all game, while those minimal addition mult jokers are only viable early game.
@@ZainoTVLive fair, hadn't thought of it that way
how u gonna do my boy ceremonial joker like that :( he's pretty fun early game combined with riff raff and/or gift card
It's a fun card, but I also always accidentally murder my best joker with it
@@ZainoTVLive LOL that's fantastic. The day I do that I will probably appreciate where you placed him more hahaha
Bro learn how to scroll down 😭
Just bought Balatro today, and i'm loving both the game and your content, i'm subbing
Thank you, we have an updated tier list on the channel too!
@@ZainoTVLive I'm gonna watch it for sure :3
I will pile on delayed gratification. Im still very bad at the game so an early delayed gratification is one of my only win conditions 😅
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@@ZainoTVLive LOL thank you good sir
I thought flash card only stacks the rerolls after you pick it up. Maybe I’ve just never seen it in the shop after rerolling?
I think I'm mistaken, I had sworn I got it with +mult already, but I must have re-rolled that exact shop, already.
Man this was an amazing video. If I could give one point of feedback as a n00b, I think you need different lists for early vs late game. For some of these guys, the difference is so drastic that it's completely different value depending on where you are. Whatever. Awesome video.
i had a burnt-space Joker build my flush went to level 40 no way space is bad. Also had Super Nova in that build, so hey checkered deck is just op I guess.
I had a run that started with Runner that I got running (ha) to like 200 chips even after I mostly pivoted to a Three of a Kind/Full House build. The flat chips were really nice around to, like, Ante 9 and even then I was washed anyway. But hey! Won the run!
The achievement for all jokers with gold stamp has 0.0% idk if that's cause its so low or cause literally nobody has done it yet
Cerimonial dagger + giftcard build?
While fun, its not that great, IMO. But Fun > Winning
Burglar for extremely high ante is crazy good. It can really raise the ceiling on what you can get with total score. It’s not bad as an Econ pickup either (if it’s super early). A card that is good early game and super good in the ultra late should be b or c imo. High card, red stamp steel deck with burglar can take you to the moon
Fibonacci S but Onyx Agate B?
You're right they shouldn't be so far apart, only big difference is Fibonacci is more protected from boss debuffs, and I feel like easier to play around in general.
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jk, great video mate! was waiting for something like this because I struggle a lot in Balatro hahah
Burglar is underrated. Extra hand turns into more economy, and any per-turn effects get more chances to trigger each time, plus the score increase. Its trash at going for high score and has awkward interactions with discard mechanics but for winning the game it’s great
Seeing matador above gift card trigger my bosse blind tbh. Great video tho, very cool insight