Please, please, please use a derailleur hanger alignment tool between swapping derailleurs! This is best practice as mostly hangers are bent so always worth checking!
It's not as simple and, above all, cheap as it may seem. To switch from an 8-speed cassette and Claris derailleur to an 11-speed setup, you need to replace not only the rear derailleur, cassette, and chain but also the front crankset (due to the narrower chain) and the rear derailleur shifter, incurring additional costs. Usually, the hub that supports 8 speeds may not handle 10 speeds, so there's a concern about needing to change the hub as well. Additionally, the Ultegra derailleur won't work with the Claris shifter.
@@gerrysecure5874Never had a problem with which way the chain goes on, taking it off once it's been run in for a while,best put it back on the way it came off. Did it once to clean my drivetrain and it felt like I added gravel instead of oil. You live and you learn .
If you already have a long-cage derailleur and your wheel has a freehub, it's quite reasonable to get a new cassette and chain. If you aren't looking at high-end components anyway, or for an older bike, you could buy a long-cage derailleur, cassette, and longer chain on the cheap or gently used all cheaply as well. Problem comes if you're trying to replace a cassette for a bike with a freewheel... then you basically need new wheels. I happened to find a very closely-matching wheel with a freehub (what you need for a cassette) for my folding bike, that was dirt cheap at a shop that was getting rid of unused repair parts... but this isn't likely to be the case for many.
as someine with a destroyed knee from a ladder accident, just go for the lower gears. I now have a 11-34 on the back, and a 26-36-48 on the front. Need the lowest gear a lot. @@olivier8645
My other bike is fixed gear. Done this cassette thing on my adventure bike.46x30 chainrings, but think I can work out a 46x28 rig. The same range basically as 12 speed, but closer ratio using just 9 speed. 11-36 cassette. Tinkering is half the fun! I like shorter cranks and have 175mm now. Upgrade to hollowtech standard Samox, evenly spaced 4 arm 64mm bcd small 30 tooth ring and put 28 tooth in it's place. Probably go uphill 4mph at 80 RPM with a full touring load! Think the rear derailleur can just handle all that wrap. 9 speed chain can wear almost 1% before replacing, 12 speed. 5%.way cheaper to use 9 speed.
You can swap just the cage to get a long cage version. It’s super cheap and very simple. I did it in my 9150 DI2 and it sweet with an 11-36 and no road link. The long cage gives you more chain wrap for better shifting.
Cheap option For the rear mech is the 10 speed medium cage tiagra 4700 rear mech. This works with all 11 speed Shimano setups, but ironically it does not work on other 10 speed setups except For the tiagra 4700 shifters. Thank me later.
Meanwhile road bikers: "I just can't use a 1x setup with no front derailleur 😭 I miss some tiny gaps between shifts to keep my cadence at exactly 90 and my little legs get too tired"
Ok, 2 things, if you remove the chain first (something you will be doing anyway) then you will find it easier to remove the wheel and you won’t get the new cassette dirty. Next, just use a wolf tooth type adapter rather than buy a new RD, it’s significantly cheaper. 🙂👍🏻 Also quick question, how is this “lighter?” It’s a bigger everything?
11 sp derailleur $50, 11 sp cassette $25, 11 sp chain $35, Shift cable $9, cassette removal tool & chain whip $15, bike hex tool $15. $150 ALL IN. All Amazon prices. Any bike worth sitting on that's still a boat anchor will be $500 minimum. Best upgrade I did to one of my old gas pipe road bikes, transformed it. Also converted to mountain bars and controls. Turned an uncomfortable road bike into a gravel style cruise. HUGE improvement.
Tip: get the Sunrace CSMS8 11-36 instead of the shimano one, even more range and it as a 12 tooth cog so you have 11-12-13-15 instead of the big 11-13 jump at the top end. shifts maybe a tad harsher but just as fast/good.
Sunrace cassettes shift really good. I have a 7 speed 13-28 sunrace cassette in the rear and it’s shifting amazing. Even with a cheap shimano acera derailer
@@ulukai_555 45-51(13%) is actually way less difference in cadence than 11-13 (18%) and, on the top end, jumps tend to be much more noticeable anyway. so yeah, its a big difference to have 11-12-13 instead of 11-13 on a road bike. or to put it different: you almost need to go almost 9kph faster for the 11tooth cog to have the same cadence again that you had on the 13 tooth one. thats a hell of a difference. in perspective, 45-51 is only around one kph difference.
@@SajtosNokedli Exactly,...all i want is a bike that can take me to work and back home, im not an enthusiast, but im aware of the maintnence and i dont want to spend a fortune (Parts or tools)
I switched my giant tcr ultegra 7s 28 to a 7s 34 without having to get a new derailleur. Just a new chain. Cost me about $100. It’s awesome climbing hills
I also want to change the sprocket on my bike.. so it's hard to pedal uphill, that's why I don't have the money. It's nice because it's fun to ride a bike
I could use an up grade like that... My gears are slipping so freewheel forward and backward. To be honest that set up would be perfect for my daily an night commute
Can you do a video where we increase gears on the crankset in front ? I'd like to increase 2 gear to 3 gear and keep the 9 in back. I'm not an advanced rider, but need more middle gears.
you don’t need to go from 2 to 3 gears in the front, you would lose shift quality and chain retention by doing so. If you feel like you lack range then maybe your larger front chainring needs to be a bit smaller, you can have a shop source a new front chainring and you will be able to spin a little easier.
@@yonglingng5640 Well the geometry may be different but it works just fine. I swapped my Dura Ace 9150 DI2 rear cage for an Ultegra RD 800 long cage with an 11-36 and it shifts beautifully.
Anyone else remember the days when the largest rear gear was 25 and compact cranks werent a thing. If you needed more gears, you would need a triple. Most people, myself included, just got stronger because we didn't want to be that guy with the triple.
It sure seems wiser to replace one part instead of three or four, if it's possible to go that low in front. Replacing the cassette with a larger one will of c get you larger leaps between gears which I personally don't like when I'm on my road bike. Aand the WEIGHT goes up 😱 Also, check the capacity of the derailleur before you replace it. Unnecessary to replace if the derailleur can handle the new cassette.
Non-ergonomic cassette. The small chainrings should be changed in 1 tooth steps. With this cassette you will lose power when shifting at higher speed. Example of a comfortable 11-s cassette: 11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-27-30 teeth
I can already pop wheelies with by accident in lowest gear, and I'm yet to top the speed out in max, like, still doing 120rpm at 35mph in max on a £400 bike. I don't need this.
What’s the point in getting a bigger outer ring? Yes, you shouldn’t ride that for hours because of the bad chain line, but it’s meant for super steap climbs. And yes the new derailleur probably isn’t needed. Only adjust the distance to the cassette in lowest gear.
"Do this" like it a cheap upgrade. 😂
you can go off brand for cheap
It would be easyer to buy a new bike
@@guilhermerizzo1984Got more insanely stupid jokes? Go on!
@@guilhermerizzo1984Yeah maybe a heavy ass sipermarket one. Cesettes are like 50 euros. Good derauliers are around 100 euros.
@@jurekgadzinowski2895Boyfriend forget the lube last night?
Thank you!
That’s an easy and cheap solution to fix this! Who would think about changing the cassette and derailer when you want lower gears?
seriously
Like it didn't even cross my mind
I thought you had to buy a new bike. Wow was I wrong.
anyone that is heavy and rides up big hills
😅😅
If anyone wondered, a Claris R2000 rear derailleur can handle a 36 teeth cog without a road link. I have been using it for a year without problems.
I have a doubt
Can we change the gear quickly? Like from 1 to 4 in rear gear
The long cage variant?
@@roshN4518
No. Also if you want to Chance gear while pressing really hard in a groupride would result in a droped chain
Please, please, please use a derailleur hanger alignment tool between swapping derailleurs! This is best practice as mostly hangers are bent so always worth checking!
"If you want X, do X"
Wow what a great suggestion it's amazing that you come up with such an amazing idea
It's not as simple and, above all, cheap as it may seem. To switch from an 8-speed cassette and Claris derailleur to an 11-speed setup, you need to replace not only the rear derailleur, cassette, and chain but also the front crankset (due to the narrower chain) and the rear derailleur shifter, incurring additional costs. Usually, the hub that supports 8 speeds may not handle 10 speeds, so there's a concern about needing to change the hub as well. Additionally, the Ultegra derailleur won't work with the Claris shifter.
What are you talking ? The original cassette had 11 cogs. Or are you referring your own setup ?
@@gerrysecure587411? Claris? 😅
You right!
Bro really went all the way.
I'm like 'nah, a bit of B screw will make my SGS handle a big cassette just fine'
Even just changing the cage would do it. No need to go buy a $100 RD for this.
Shimano chains should always be mounted with the logo facing outwards 😅
Shimano chains should always be inserted... into the bin. Replace with a fresh KMC.
Pseudo high tech claim added by marketing like rotation direction on Conti road tyres ?
@@gerrysecure5874 it is in the manual of some Shimano chains. I do remember for sure Ultegra and Dura ace 10s; those were directional chains.
@@gerrysecure5874Never had a problem with which way the chain goes on, taking it off once it's been run in for a while,best put it back on the way it came off. Did it once to clean my drivetrain and it felt like I added gravel instead of oil. You live and you learn .
@@Metal-PossumNonsense
"need lighter gears? all you need is €500 in tools and parts"
3k
@69burtolaughing my fucking ass off 😂😂😂
This is an XT derailer and casette and probably a cn-hg95 chain. So its more like 150-200€
@@Vracka tell that to the bike part seller
xt derailleur?@@Vracka
If you already have a long-cage derailleur and your wheel has a freehub, it's quite reasonable to get a new cassette and chain.
If you aren't looking at high-end components anyway, or for an older bike, you could buy a long-cage derailleur, cassette, and longer chain on the cheap or gently used all cheaply as well.
Problem comes if you're trying to replace a cassette for a bike with a freewheel... then you basically need new wheels. I happened to find a very closely-matching wheel with a freehub (what you need for a cassette) for my folding bike, that was dirt cheap at a shop that was getting rid of unused repair parts... but this isn't likely to be the case for many.
Alternatively learn how to pedal harder if you're short on tools and cash
and destroy your knees
as someine with a destroyed knee from a ladder accident, just go for the lower gears. I now have a 11-34 on the back, and a 26-36-48 on the front. Need the lowest gear a lot. @@olivier8645
Dumb take....
@@olivier8645evolve your knees *
I can! My other bike is fixed gear. But on a loaded touring bike?
My other bike is fixed gear. Done this cassette thing on my adventure bike.46x30 chainrings, but think I can work out a 46x28 rig. The same range basically as 12 speed, but closer ratio using just 9 speed. 11-36 cassette. Tinkering is half the fun! I like shorter cranks and have 175mm now. Upgrade to hollowtech standard Samox, evenly spaced 4 arm 64mm bcd small 30 tooth ring and put 28 tooth in it's place. Probably go uphill 4mph at 80 RPM with a full touring load! Think the rear derailleur can just handle all that wrap. 9 speed chain can wear almost 1% before replacing, 12 speed. 5%.way cheaper to use 9 speed.
Fixed gear bikes are only for show
You can swap just the cage to get a long cage version. It’s super cheap and very simple. I did it in my 9150 DI2 and it sweet with an 11-36 and no road link. The long cage gives you more chain wrap for better shifting.
My dad helped me make something kinda like this to my mountain bike, I love it, a mountain bike that can still go very fast
You could also get a Wolf Tooth derailleur hanger extender instead of a new derailleur. I’ve used them before and they work flawlessly.
Does tge angle not become off?
@@snorttroll4379based from experience, no it only boosts the reach of the rear deraillure
I had a Wolf tooth extender put on my hardtail mtb to get a lighter lower gear. Been riding the same terrain as before and had 0 problems 🚵♀️
Used a cheap mech hanger extender with a sora 9 speed on a 1x gravel bike and it worked with a a 40t at the back no problem.
my alivio works with 42t maybe with extender it can work 46t and higher since many done that before
Cheap option For the rear mech is the 10 speed medium cage tiagra 4700 rear mech. This works with all 11 speed Shimano setups, but ironically it does not work on other 10 speed setups except For the tiagra 4700 shifters. Thank me later.
Sram is better
Does it work with 30 plus teeth?
@@cjm6149 The Tiagra RD-4700-GS can take up to 34T in 2x configurations.
Mine change to 11-34T. Slow climber but I love it no regret
The construction worker dude with godly calves near my house with his steel bike: gears? What gears?
Meanwhile road bikers: "I just can't use a 1x setup with no front derailleur 😭 I miss some tiny gaps between shifts to keep my cadence at exactly 90 and my little legs get too tired"
@@thebrunosergetry to compete with a roadie on an mtb.
one gear to rule them all!! 42/17
@@roberth4395 I'd like to compete with a roadie on a 2x vs me on my road 1x bike
@@martijnt1353 what about rims?
Ok, 2 things, if you remove the chain first (something you will be doing anyway) then you will find it easier to remove the wheel and you won’t get the new cassette dirty. Next, just use a wolf tooth type adapter rather than buy a new RD, it’s significantly cheaper. 🙂👍🏻 Also quick question, how is this “lighter?” It’s a bigger everything?
Wolf Tooth works but gives worse shifting quality … best reserved for going nuclear either say an 11-42
11 sp derailleur $50, 11 sp cassette $25, 11 sp chain $35, Shift cable $9, cassette removal tool & chain whip $15, bike hex tool $15.
$150 ALL IN. All Amazon prices.
Any bike worth sitting on that's still a boat anchor will be $500 minimum.
Best upgrade I did to one of my old gas pipe road bikes, transformed it. Also converted to mountain bars and controls. Turned an uncomfortable road bike into a gravel style cruise. HUGE improvement.
Tip: get the Sunrace CSMS8 11-36 instead of the shimano one, even more range and it as a 12 tooth cog so you have 11-12-13-15 instead of the big 11-13 jump at the top end. shifts maybe a tad harsher but just as fast/good.
Big jump? 😂
What about the 45-51 on the XT cassette?
@@ulukai_555 I have 24-34 jump in 7-speed megarange freewheel but on higher end 2 teeth difference is affecting cadance much more than you thought
Sunrace cassettes shift really good.
I have a 7 speed 13-28 sunrace cassette in the rear and it’s shifting amazing. Even with a cheap shimano acera derailer
@@ulukai_555 45-51(13%) is actually way less difference in cadence than 11-13 (18%) and, on the top end, jumps tend to be much more noticeable anyway. so yeah, its a big difference to have 11-12-13 instead of 11-13 on a road bike. or to put it different: you almost need to go almost 9kph faster for the 11tooth cog to have the same cadence again that you had on the 13 tooth one. thats a hell of a difference. in perspective, 45-51 is only around one kph difference.
Shimano don’t make 11-36 in 11 speed but SRAM is compatible and better quality than du race at a similar price.
Omg is this the polish best mechanic! SickBiker!
Oah, I love clips like that!! Wonderful even when I do stuff like that everyday for twenty years now. Bicycles are my life! ❤
Forget the parts, i can imagine that the tools he is using worth more than my bike
You can do the same with 5€ tools. The only real difference is that low end tools won't survive a season
@@SajtosNokedli Exactly,...all i want is a bike that can take me to work and back home, im not an enthusiast, but im aware of the maintnence and i dont want to spend a fortune (Parts or tools)
Bruh pliers and an old chain and you good, stop winging, I was broke as holy fuck and I managed???
@@Floridamarrr im broke too, i dont need expensive matched tools , i just need good tools
@@ElectroWolf_Arts pliers and a chain and of you go on your Mary way
I switched my giant tcr ultegra 7s 28 to a 7s 34 without having to get a new derailleur. Just a new chain. Cost me about $100. It’s awesome climbing hills
I just love the sound of shifting gears.
same here...especially a nice new clean setup....there's a point where you can almost hear the cogs ringing as the chain leaves it... love that
changing front chain rings is easier and cheaper
Changing the rear cassete gives you a wider range of wider gears which you can shift into more regularly
Ultegra chainrings are far more expensive and don't achieve the same change in ratio, you lose top end to gain bottom.
Sprocket?
Depends on what is the worst worn.
@@chemeofficialyes, but its called a chain ring.
How I wish I had those tools. But I'd probably use them once in a lifetime
Check derailleur capacity! You can overpower the rear derailleur and then you've wasted a cassette
Don't worry, that's a GS-caged Ultegra RD-R8000 and I'm sure he already knows that.
I love this. I didn’t realize how interested I am with this. I would love to learn
I also want to change the sprocket on my bike.. so it's hard to pedal uphill, that's why I don't have the money. It's nice because it's fun to ride a bike
I am thinking about doing this. I broke the frame on my old mountain bike so the components are free and are out-of-date for any other use.
Na internet é tudo facil , sem dúvida.....mas parabéns ao mecânico 🇵🇹🖐️
I could use an up grade like that... My gears are slipping so freewheel forward and backward. To be honest that set up would be perfect for my daily an night commute
Perfect. I did that to mine as well.
At least we get satisfaction 😌😌
Can you do a video where we increase gears on the crankset in front ? I'd like to increase 2 gear to 3 gear and keep the 9 in back.
I'm not an advanced rider, but need more middle gears.
you don’t need to go from 2 to 3 gears in the front, you would lose shift quality and chain retention by doing so. If you feel like you lack range then maybe your larger front chainring needs to be a bit smaller, you can have a shop source a new front chainring and you will be able to spin a little easier.
I'm waiting for a 14-34t to arrive to replace my 14-28. My legs can't wait.
You don't need a whole new rear mech, just a longer cage. Also, no need for a new chain, so long as you kept the spare links when you installed it.
Wrong, rear derailleur geometry is different between SS and GS-caged versions. GS-caged rear derailleurs have a larger parallelogram linkage.
@@yonglingng5640
Well the geometry may be different but it works just fine. I swapped my Dura Ace 9150 DI2 rear cage for an Ultegra RD 800 long cage with an 11-36 and it shifts beautifully.
Anyone else remember the days when the largest rear gear was 25 and compact cranks werent a thing. If you needed more gears, you would need a triple. Most people, myself included, just got stronger because we didn't want to be that guy with the triple.
And I bet your knees are telling you all about it now. Old school hard man cycling was really dumb.
@@marcdaniels9079 my knees are fine. Surprisingly. Now I prefer the road 1x.
Surely this is common sense?
Some people think it's only a matter of swapping cassettes.
I got back the 3 speed sturmey archer.
Adequate and maintenance free.
Long live rhe chopper 😂
Awesome hack. Thank you.
Если вы думаете что это легкая работа то вы глубоко ошибаетесь.
Parts manufacturers LOVE this one simple trick!
Mit viel tatmtam ein paar Sachen gewechselt was ja jeder hinbekommt. Aber beim montieren der Kette ordentlich was falsch gemacht haha. 👎🏽
11-34 works fine with ultegra short cage. I'm only running 46 34 up front tho...maybe it wouldn't have capacity for 50 34
Best thing about this is that not only does it make your bike lighter it makes your wallet lighter as well
Get a new cassette and derailer? 😂
basically 😂
And chain 😬
Need lower gears on your bike? Change gears... Who would have thought!
Short Cage Rear Derailleur 11-speed. capacity - 33T.
Best mechanic 😮
Legends still use shimano sis
I want to do that on my MTB ,but it's already the biggest cassette they have(it's an old SLX)
Yup; it’s some kind of bicycle.
Yeah.. make sure your derailleur can handle the capacity of your new cassette. 9r you just destroyed your derailleur.
It'll work fine, that's a GS-caged Ultegra RD-R8000.
It sure seems wiser to replace one part instead of three or four, if it's possible to go that low in front. Replacing the cassette with a larger one will of c get you larger leaps between gears which I personally don't like when I'm on my road bike. Aand the WEIGHT goes up 😱
Also, check the capacity of the derailleur before you replace it. Unnecessary to replace if the derailleur can handle the new cassette.
The Ultegra RD-6800-SS can't handle anything larger than 11-28T or 11-30T. He definitely knows this.
I see you skipped adjusting limit screws
Before insert chain, it's better to adjust the limit screws by pushing the cage inwards
Works fine either way.
I think at this point it easier to get fitter and not need to use smaller gearing
Oh, spend money for an upgrade. Never thought of that ...
Wow!
Easy to install.
How about degreasing the new chain first?
Cuándo los veo trabajando con sus guantes de latex se que la reparación será extremadamente barata 😅😅😅.
That's not a 'hack' or quick upgrade mate. You pretty much just changed the entire drivetrain
You can use electric gears
Dude, that's the same as saying that "You can buy a Porshce instead of that Honda Accord" (nothing wrong with Hondas, fellas)
Non-ergonomic cassette. The small chainrings should be changed in 1 tooth steps. With this cassette you will lose power when shifting at higher speed. Example of a comfortable 11-s cassette: 11-12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-27-30 teeth
It is so satisfying
"Need lighter gears? Do this."
*Uses Ultegra RD and Casette like it's a cheap upgrade.*
Yes, i think the Chain is wrong, Logo need to be outside, the old Chain/Casette has way to much Oil
Yes, the chain was indeed installed in the wrong orientation.
You didn't grease the lockring thread. You didn't grease the hanger bolt thread.
Thinner gears = worse wear resistance. I'll stick to my 90s 18 speed
You need lighter gears to lug those heavy hydro disc assemblies.
You prefer steam engines to combustion too ?
Comments like these are typically made by weekend warriors with a 30+ BMI.
@@user-d32658he's right isint he!😐
Saying it like it's a hack 😆
What are comments on 😭
That cassette is like 50 bucks. I just bought one
Bicycle ASMR
Ok but now won’t you also need a new STI the new gears? Considering tiagra and other lower specs are 9 speeds and 105 and ultegra are 11 speeds
Bro these are like microscopic gears
get a new cassette and derailleur? i never could've guessed
Getting such part to repair bikes here in Ghana is extremely stressful..
How can I get easy access to these parts...?
Shimano 105 for save money, it's better choice for common user.
El que sabe sabe un profesional Malina👍👍👍
Who needs lower gears? I live in a very mountainous region and i wish my gearing was higher lmao
10-36 all the way baby
The longest short ever
That cassette was removed way too easily
How is this lighter when the derailleur and cassette are larger? More metal, more weight.
so you put a mtb cassette on a road bike?
Why not?
@@slawomirb1984no needs for a
34, I use 32 on my road bikes and it's perfect and no hassle to climb any hill
JODER MACHO ENDURERO VAYA PIÑONAZO ESO SUBE COMO UN AVIONACOOO DE COMBSTE👍👍👍👍
I can already pop wheelies with by accident in lowest gear, and I'm yet to top the speed out in max, like, still doing 120rpm at 35mph in max on a £400 bike. I don't need this.
Bruh gotta get that crank inspected for delamination! #11 speed Armageddon
And if this dosen't enugh you can put a 12s with 52-8 teeth casette
You could have only changed the cage... And saved like 40 bucks
No grease was used in this video
I got no problem with doing any of that, except shifter cables!!! For some reason, I always have troubles with these!
Nice Ice Tech rotors
I need your old gears
Can you offer the bike's important tools when on vacation? 😅
geez.... what's a quick hack for a lighter crank.......
No need for the new long cage derailleur! Just stop going all the way up the block in the big ring, which you shouldn't be doing anyway!
What’s the point in getting a bigger outer ring? Yes, you shouldn’t ride that for hours because of the bad chain line, but it’s meant for super steap climbs.
And yes the new derailleur probably isn’t needed. Only adjust the distance to the cassette in lowest gear.
I can smell the geese