I've Been Waiting Years for This Dwarf Survival Game But Will It Hold Up? - Return to Moria
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- Return to Moria gameplay with Splat! Let's Play Return to Moria and check out a game where you'll head deep into dungeons old and damp to claim treasures and wipe out hordes of orcs.
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I kind of like the constant sieges and I think it fits the setting. Moria was a hellhole filled with legions of goblins.
They are dumb they stay only In blocks of areas
well, if the devs add traps, defences and other mechanics that would allow for some sort of 'automatic' handling of at least a portion of the raiders, then yes. But, judging from what I saw in the video, you just get raided randomly and then have to rush around trying to stop the raiders from ruining your base. Not especially efficient for a game that leans heavily on exploring.
@@aleksanderhelgesen5457 I could see some Orcs Must Die mechanics that would be useful and - more importantly - fun.
I mean, it fits with the impression we had of Moria, during Sauron's reign, in the film. That's clearly the feeling that the devs were going for, but imo they failed to show a hidden threat always waiting to surge from the depths.
In the setting, goblins and other things aren't an army anymore at this point. There might be horrors still lurking below, but the goblins and orcs won't be organized and certainly won't dare to attack dwarves.
What we have here is more something that is fitting for another fantasy setting like D&D. Constant raids by greenskins because it's what they do. But in Tolkien's works, orcs and goblins only manage to be organized and real threats because evil has power and is growing. When evil doesn't have a strong presence, they just retreat and stay hidden. At the point in Middle Earth history when the dwarves reclaim Moria, a lot of the "magic" of the world is about to vanish. Imo it would have been a lot better to feature more obscure, hidden horrors that are disturbed by the dwarves.
@@Ezullof
The Goblins don't only form up around big threats like Sauron, they form kingdoms of their own when left to their own devices and cause pain and mischief for everyone in striking distance.
The gold pile is a buff. you admire it then get more damage vs orcs. Great for when you're about to raid the camp to kill the leaders.
That's hilarious! I've never seen a survival game where greed is a beneficial game mechanic
You know what splattercat, for some reason listening to you yammer on while you play random games just brings a smile to my face. Thanks for existing and just making videos :)
Splat: "can i get a rock and stone."
Me talking to the TV: "Rock and Stone Brotha!"
my wife: 😒
😂😂😂😂
Tell her we said *"Rock and Stone forever!"*
For Karl!
Rock and Stone to the bone!
Baruk Khazâd Khazâd ai-mênu
Stone and Rocks..wait.
Splat talking big game about loving Dwarves. But I've not seen him Strike The Earth!!!
Having some FUN
!!FUN!!
I think what makes it tough with EGS games is a lot of them actually *are* Early Access in concept, but they don't have that on the store. Witchfire is definitely early access going off the Discord notes, but there's no indication of that on the store. This one gives me the same vibe, I'm pretty sure it's early access in some ways but there's no way to know.
Yep!
Just wait for a Steam release after a year ;-)
no this one is release 1.0 but EGS has exclusivitiy to it for now
To be fair, I got to see EGS exclusives as saying "this is in alpha/beta, this needs at least one year time, but we need additional funding to develop."
Witchfire says it's early access in the store page what are you on about
definitely waiting for the Steam release. but thanks for putting this on my radar.
ROCK AND STONE TO THE BONE!!!
Holy mithril, this feels perfect! Shame it's on Epic though, but I will play it with my friends on steam when the time comes.
Yeah ill wait for Steam.
this right here , me and my friends
same here
Plus with steam releases typically come big updates to drum up players. Let epic beta test it for em 😂
Yeah not a big fan of Epic.
6:33 Rock and stone, to the bone.
ROCK AND STONE!
it is called return to moria, and he calls it a mine .... A MINE! XD
ROCK AND STONE
*If you don't Rock and Stone, you ain't comin' home!*
if only someone would certify that this game is perfectly balanced with no exploits what so ever lol .
it'll happen soon..... you know it
And drinking tea while doing it 😅
@@UrMomGreen. only if its yorkshire.
Small correction about hordes, they're not only story driven, they are also triggered by sound and light. If you run around singing and mining with a torch you'll get way more hordes coming for you by drawing attention to yourself. Many of the game mechanics are pretty well explained in the journal.
Edit: Also they're not that hard, as long as you prio blocking and get in a good funneling position you shouldn't die, I've gone through about 8 hordes and only died once because I was caught in an open cavern running back to base with no armor or rations.
That doesn't change the fact that the combat looks like some Xbox360 stuff....
@@steventaylor8723 Is this even related?
@@steventaylor8723 they didn't even talk about the quality of the combat... Stay on topic.
Feels a bit like an early access game without the early access tag, or early access price.
That's exactly what it is. If the game was early access it would be amazing. But, it's not apparently, there's little to no marketing. Which tells me... Epic and PS5 is a soft launch. They aren't calling it early access. Which is a terrible move as we've seen in the past and comes off as predatory. Sadly, this is the best Lord of the RIngs game I've ever played. The lore is sweet, Moria is pretty perfect environmentally, the scale is great. The music is great, but, we could use more of it. The biggest issue for me is that combat is just not good or fun, the moves are jank. Also, unfortunately most of the game is constant combat, so it really feels like you're fighting nonstop enemies in an unfun way. They could have made the combat sweet, it feels 50% complete and unpolished. Really sucks because the game does a lot of things much better than other similar titles. I hope they fix it up.
@@inaliFTWthe fuck are you smoking shadows of war and mordor are fucking classics.
Cursed EGS. My rage is immeasurable and my disappointment are boundless.
Graphics does look like a 2015 game. I thought it would look better than this.
When you Rock and Stone, you're never alone!
Rock and Stone, Brother!
If you don't rock and stone, you ain't comin' home!
Rock and Stone to the Bone!
For Carl!
Rock and stone FOREVER!
Also rock and stone
Also you can end the hordes and sieges. That eye in the bottom right of your screen shows the noise your making. A horde happens when it glows red. You get rid of that eye by killing the orc camp and the boss in that area. Then no more hordes. and almost no sieges.
So they made a game about being a dwarf in the Mines of Moria - but you have less architectural freedom than in 7 Days to Die because they didn't make it a voxel game.
Being a dwarf in a mine i should be able to mine and shape my surroundings in all ways i want. I should be able to cheese orc camps by going through the walls and throwing burning stuff at them from above. This should have been an immersive sim with lots of mining and building where you mine around the obstacles and win fights because you outsmart and outbuild the monsters instead of going in axe blazing.
The sad thing is that quite a few of us will be waiting for Steam which will make the sales look bad and give the false impression that the game was unwanted rather than that we simply hate the Epic platform.
Why do people hate Epic?
@@ezequielblanco8659 Lack of features, inaccurate rating systems, steam's refund system kinda trumps all, along with being owned by tencent. I only really use epic for the free games. Oh also they are trying to push platform exclusivity for games that they haven't created themselves by buying out devs instead of fixing the previous problems.
Not to mention the Epic Games Launcher is essentially spyware. It may have changed by now, but I do remember when it first came out, it would send off all sorts of information about your computer to China.
@@ezequielblanco8659 Epic Store promoted it self a superior digital store alternative to Steam, giving out 2 random free games on a schedule, even giving developers funding money just to release on Epic without permanent exclusivity.
Which *_was_* initially received well, Steam is basically holding a monopoly on online/digital sales of video games and having a competitor against Steam will be great for everyone, competition will give users better store fronts from both Steam and Epic, developers will lose lower % cut on sales(Steam takes about a cut 30% from every sale) and myriads of lesser quality of life improvements.
And then Epic shat the bed with explosive diarrhea of a store front.
There wasn't even the bare basics of an online store, it took them 3 years? to get a shopping cart functionality patched in.
@@ragingfurball5419 Not just the spyware, but I also read that people had lots of issues with refunding from them and what not, best not risk it
6:34 Did I hear a Rock and Stone?
This game looks cool. Too bad it's not on steam or gog.
if you rock & stone, you're never alone!
Um no.... Doors do NOT stop raids. They will break the door splattercat -_- you need to kill the CAMP which you probably did back in the mines and got confused thinking the door did it.
Edit: Yes you did fight the orc boss. EVERY area with the horde eye in the right has a boss orc in an orc city, Somewhere on that map. Kill it. No more hords, almost no raids.
after just the first 2 minutes of watching this video I am super hyped for this game. ... pity that it doesn't look like its coming to steam though :/ so much for wishlisting it
It will be on Steam after a year ;-)
@@igorthelight hopefully by then its been patched out and improved with the history of poor AAA launches recently maybe this is a blessing in disguise for us steam users.
Epic pays for exclusives. Let them sink the money for no reason and wait for it to come to steam. The problem with exclusives is that people keep buying them so they keep remaining profitable.
Maybe one day developers that do that will realize they are losing out on sales by going Epic only. I refuse to have anything to do with that Chinese spyware.
@@Doug_M Do they actually loose anything? They get money and after a year release it on Steam ;-)
Just some people would ignore that game on Steam because it was on Epic before.
Honestly, after 41+ hours in the game and not yet finishing it due to exploring, mining, fending off raids, cooking, and more, I absolutely love this game. The fact that the devs are listening and working on fixing things from bugs to adding QoL already (in just a few days we get a big patch) is amazing. I look forward to playing this so much more as well as trying out the mods that are already in development.
Can you tell me how to place the Muznakan figures on Ori's alter? The game says to press E, I then press E but nothing is happening besides the dwarf character says something.
@@Temulon so sorry for the late reply (hopefully you've gotten your answer by now, haha), but it should just place when you are clicking thr alter. The only thing I can think of is that maybe you're attempting to place the figures at the wrong alter. There are many different figures to be placed, but they all go to specifically named alters depending on the area you're in.
@@Lexith03 I figured it out finally. But thanks for getting back to me. By the way, it has been two months so you've had time to play the game, what do you think of it? Are you still enjoying the game?
i would play this....but ive never used epic game store and never will. ALL HAIL LORD GABEN!!!
It's a shame about the combat, I feel like they could have improved it enormously relatively simply with some sort of counter attack system and dismemberment and executions. Goes a long way to make combat feel satisfying.
Those wouldn't have changed much, the combat itself is clunky and badly telegraphed, since it feels like a Valheim copy they should've just did what they did with the combat.
Well, this might be unpopular but even though its clunky it kinda fits this kind of game since everything looks a bit indie and clunky, jumping platforms and edge climbing, jumping from high places, mining whatever that white square is pointed at and not the actual character, AI (especially spiders often breaking and just standing in place), There being 3 different UI inventory type menus for some reason. Some of the weird design choices and regular game issues actually give it that dwarven mining till the end of times aesthetic.
Combat is actually okay in with this perspective as it fits in, asides for attacks snapping to random shit if you don't use lock on.
@@darkestdaysvideogame Valheim was made with 2 people or something, even though they cut graphics for gameplay they still could do a decent combat that doesn't feel clunky and was way cheaper, the game doesn't need to be this expensive.
Yeah game should be $25 at best, that we can agree on. But most of the dev expenses comes from 3d artists, concept arts, designers and animations. Valheim was probably significantly cheaper to produce even though it probably has more content, still if this game gets content updates for free then it might become worth the asking price.@@Grynfelt
@@Grynfelt Yes it would have changed things a lot. No Valheim was not made by 2 people.
Devs got their bag of money in exhange for 1 year exclusive on epic. After the year it will be in a really good spot on steam.
Rock and STONE!
was honestly pretty excited about this one, but the combat just felt early 2000s and it just kinda killed it for me tbh
Yes, it has some of the worst combat I've ever seen.
Dude this look's like a weird version of DRG.
Rock and Stone brother!
The only thing I hate about NPC raids on your base or location on survival games like this, is that a) you don't get a timer to prepare until the raid hits, b) you never know who's attacking and when, and c) you never know how many enemies that hit you. All of these are very apparent in both this title and another that I play, "Sunkenland".
In this regard, I must admit that Conan Exiles did right by the raids even before the current chapter: you had a warning, you knew who would be coming and you knew when the raid was over.
You can't swim? What is this? Vice City? Oy!
You sold me on this game and many others! Thanks for all the great content Splattercat ❤
I enjoy playing the game, currently solo. But I was hoping for a bit more. It is repetitive to always build the same base on different location, especially since you need those "Black diamonds" (do not know if they are called in English that way) to build the porter and they are annoying to farm. A central area where you build a big outpost and later on get more dwarves that you can assign tasks to, would be fun (Medival Dynasty alike)
Additionally, it seems like my dwarf is constantly tired. You run around for a few minutes and dig some stones, tired... I would have liked to see more individual dwarf progression in there, to improve your stamina, damage output or similar. Now you only get new equipment, which is basically the progression within the biomes.
I still find the game super fun. The combat is serviceable, but I dealt with it in Valheim. I think the atmosphere makes up for the games flaws.
Pretty much this. It is the exploring and building that I love and after doing a restart just how different the mines were blew my mind. Personally, I have only come across 1 major bug and all that happened is I spawned in a different location to where I logged out.
This is nothing like Valheims combat...what are you on about?
For Karl!
I'll take a look at it when it actually releases on a viable store front.
It seems like expecting AAA quality for $40 is a bit rough, but I guess it isn’t too much to expect. The sweet spot for this right now maybe $25? I noticed there aren’t a ton of survival RPGs on the Epic Games Store to compare against. Hopefully it will take less than a year to address many of the problems.
6:34 Did I hear rock and stone? xD
I knew I'd get honest thoughts from Splattercat. All the other game channels I follow are doing paid promotions so they never say anything negative about the game. I kinda knew simply by the sheer volume of channels being paid to promote the game that it had problems.
This needs NPC characters in, in the Dungeon keeper way. I'm aware it aims for other players, but I think it hinders it in single player. It is also incredibly poorly optimised and full of grinding/timewasting storage problems.
Im genuinely asking myself what excites people about this.
The LOTR setting i can understand, but it looks dry, the combat isnt actually combat,things just stand there waiting to get hit, and… well i could go on.
Not hating on those who like it, enjoy yourselves, but it has a very weak visual, animation and content delivery from my POV.
Thanks for the playthrough on Twitch! Well done on the review!
If they can get that combat straightened up, and fix the possible missing plans during the random world generation, this would be much better
I have about 50 or so hours in it now, solo and I am having a blast. The exploration is fun and the combat gets better as you get more gear. Im enjoying it.
We fight for Rock n'Stone!
rock and stone you beautiful dwarf
its actually reminds me alot of Valheim. scattered bases, clunky base building, clunky combat, base raids, death runs, no penalty on death, fully destructible environment, inventory transfers between worlds, to just name a few. the main difference is Valheim didnt really have story driven progression where as Return to Moria does. I liked Valheim alot so i may end up getting this as it seems like an easier Valheim with less freedom.
i'll never spend money on the epic store but i'm excited for this to come to steam in a year i assume
Seems like every other survival game, nothing unique or special here. If you remove the lotr aspect and compare mechanics to Valheim, it's kinda disappointing tbh, considering they said "We think we have the best third-person melee combat in the survival genre".
It plays almost the same as Valheim on release. I love the LOTR lore and that sold it for me, but it's way less grindy as the amount of materials you need is far less compared to Valheim and one big ore vein can set you up for the entire next area, and there's also no encumbrance/weight system. The building options are limited but the visuals are pretty great.
@@travismolnoskey2745 The lotr lore is the only reason I'm interested in this, but it seems extremely minimal in this game, which makes sense because they'd have to dump way more money into the game than they'd make for rights and licenses. +they chose a time where not much is written so the lotr lore in this game is mostly speculation, artistic license or from another time, but rarely canon. They should've focused on the player being able to fully restore Moria, maybe npc minions to do some chores +add life to the restored ruins and hoped mods would add things requiring a license.
Splat must convince us of his fealty to Dwarfdom with a rousing chorus of "Diggy Diggy Hole"!
I am a dwarf and I'm digging a hole, diggy diggy hole, diggy diggy hole ⛰️⛏️
Man, what a bummer. I'm also a huge fan of dwarves and a lotr fan so I was really looking forward to this. I was already wary from the trailers but this seems to confirm my worries. Sucks because the premise of the game is a dream for me, I would love to explore Moria as a dwarf, that was always my favorite part of Tolkien lore.
It is early access right now. In 1 year it should be good
I can't find anything anywhere that indicates that it's early access. @@GameTimeWhy
I've played for over 30 hours with a friend. I can comfortably tell you that none of the jank detracts from the exploration and lore. It FEELS like a lord of the rings journey. Rebuilding ancient monuments, then singing in Khuzdul, or english and getting buffs. Killing orcs and trolls. Decending too far down and running into absolute darkness and nameless demon monsters........ I can't recommend this game enough.
awesome! thanks for the input, maybe i'll check it out after all
I haven't had any issues with building its just mouse wheel and move. If there's room walls will snap to each other. Also haven't had nearly as many bugs as he has. It's essentially Valhiem with a Lord of the Rings skin
ROCK AND STONE FOREVER!
Can't wait for this game to be free on Epic or released on Steam
This is pretty cool. I like world and models. I never would have considered it... thanks Splat o.0
Rock and Stone! It never gets old!
I want this to be good, so bad.
it is good
ROCK AND STONE! TO THE BONE!
Did I hear a ROCK AND STONE?!
my initial impression of this is deep rock intergalactic meets valheim
Looks exactly like the kind of game I'd love, except it looks janky and frankly like ass. If it was an indy, I wouldn't expect as much but Lord of the Rings is a huge franchise and the Mordor games were a fair bit of time ago. Looks like an Early Access Beta for a game that still needs a year or two to bake.
Its a great game buddy, but give it some time and it'll be even better
biggest negative... epic games store
which isnt even a realistic negative
@@goldenhawk2839 yes. Yes it is
@@goldenhawk2839 it's a massive negative unless you love installing Chinese spyware onto your system
No there is nothing wrong with the epic store.
A real negative is how shit the game is.. it has almost no content. It feels like the survival system is tacked on and dogshit. The combat is boring.. mob spawns are a joke. Mob loot doesn't exist. Building is pointless.
So basically every feature that actually is there is ether done bad or pointless.
Silly
No surprise that you're playing this because of your love of dwarves, but I recently realized that I don't think you did a video on Dwarf Fortress, and it seems right up your alley so I can't image why you haven't done a video on it?
This looks really interesting, but the bugs and problematic combat system make me think the game needed just a bit more time in the oven to get right. It looks very hot in some places, but very cold in others, giving a bit of a mismatch in gameplay. Definitely, a game I'll wait on, hopefully, some patches will even things out a bit, because the premise here is shockingly good! Obviously, this is Moria in LoTR, but I think this exact premise could be exported to other settings quite easily.
Hope you look back at this in a year Splat.
Man I'd love combat that's just more epic hack n slash style. Like Vermintide 2 or something as far as combat play. A dwarf SHOULD be able to cleave goblins in two in a single swing, even normal orcs with a big swing!
Honestly, I kinda wish they did away with durability or greatly increased it so it needs less repairs and made forging and crafting mini games for better quality and efficiency. Seems like it would be a good, easy thing to put in. I agree on siege toggle and horde toggle, and if they make those minigames they definitely need a way to choose to forego it and also lose those chances at improved outcomes. Cause doing it repeatedly would get super annoying for a lot of people.
Thanks for showcasing this! I'm not up for more episodes though, surely there is more interesting stuff somewhere ;d
You asked for it, and you got it. Rock and stone splat, rock and stone!
I bought this game a few days ago, it sounded absolutely amazing from the promos. I'm not far into it but what I expected from it is that it's Minecraft with dwarves and some kind of story.
That sounds great, problem is I *hated* Minecraft. So far there are no leveling mechanics like 7 Days to Die or even Smalland, it's completely gear-based and you seem to unlock recipes at points in the story and through exploration.
RTM is a 9.5/10 for the lore and visual presentation, 3/10 for the clunky halfbaked combat, 7/10 for the crafting and building, 7/10 for the exploration, 7/10 for what I've seen exists in the story. -1 for the almost constant sieges and -1 right off the top for the absence of leveling mechanics that would make me want to invest more in the character. All in all around a 5/10, do not recommend unless you're an extreme Minecraft enthusiast.
sure should have been "way off on the horizon" 😂 Such wasted potential, because the concept is great. Personally, I think it would have been better had they set it in their own fantasy world, rather than the LotRs universe. That would have freed them to go into way more whacky directions - think steampunk dwarves akin to WoW etc.? Oh well...
The combat may seem jank but keep in mind conan exiles has a very basic combat system as well and that game is pretty successful.
This feels VERY much like Deep Rock Galactic crossed with a survival game. What an interesting concept.
A lot of the style and gameplay choices remind me of Valheim, especially how the building system works.
I am interested, but will wait a few patches, which is fine as I honestly do not use the Epic store.
[Huh, I just heard your conclusion afterwards. :P]
Even if this game didn't immediately give me bad vibes, it being an Epic Games exclusive would've been a dealbreaker to me on it's own.
Too bad they let just about anyone mangle the LotR IP these days.
By the looks of things, we won't be getting a decent Middle-earth adaptation this decade.
Purple Sauron Crap, BAD elvish bows.. Wtf is this. Not lotr thats for sure
Manual Lock mechanics have a bad habit of manually locking me to the wrong target.
Lol can't get AAA polish on a $90 game pretty wishful thinking you'll get it easily on a $40.
This looks like an indie game.
I'll watch this video when the game comes out on steam
Rock and Stone!!
"Wow this looks fun!"
> Epic exclusive -_-
Straight into the trash it goes.
Rock and stone!
I like the look of this game. I wonder how good the multiplayer is.
"Today in the world of games I've been wanting so much you're gonna have to watch this."
0:54 'And so I figured why not give you the observations of a guy that's close to the ground.' Hmm...
Its crazy that small gaming companies that basically never made a game are given the LOTR license to do anything with it?? Golum now this?? WTF is happening?? Why cant big talented studios have the license to do something good again instead of these garbage games?
We've had those. Perhaps LotR is not popular enough anymore for the bigwigs to take a risk on
So, will this be released on Steam next year, or does this go in the Book of Gurdges
I hope game receive more content update, sound overhaul, animation update etc because that features missing in game maybe due release dáte or budget. Overall GREAT game what i waiting fór 20 years
A really great game! I've been absorved by it for the last 5 hours.
A fellow dwarf fan. Rock & Stone.
Dude epic store exclusives can f right on off
Why?
@@ohnoitisnt666 Just google why people hate Epic Store ;-)
It's early access you troglodyte. Will be on steam in a year
If only it was on another platform besides epic :(
There seems to be no freedom though. Even the places where you build your camp are fixed 😞 So doesn't really seem to have much replayability.
So you spend a lot of time looking for rock? Do you also look for stone? Do you spend time trying to get a rock and stone?
Thanks for a rounded review! I was v excited for this game, but had some trepidation about the Epic of it all. Now happy to wait for some patches & a Steam release.
And yes, when you asked for a rock & stone, I said aloud "If you don't rock & stone, you ain't going home" to an empty room.