The main attraction to the pedal is bedroom volumes for most of us. The jcm 800 sounds great with the volume 3 or above. Good luck sitting down and practicing in front of it
@@ilredeldeserto there is already a post PI master volume. a second one doesn't do anything different. The whole point is power tube and transformer saturation which you do not get until the power amp is cranked.. otherwise you just keep playing with preamp only and that is not the sound of a JCM800
Interesting, but...the "clean" tone of the Bassman is very different sounding from the "clean" tone of the JCM800 which effects the way the pedal sounds thru the Bassman compared to how the JCM800 sounds when it's pushed. In this comparison, I think the JM800 sounds way better. The pedal sounds like a pedal, i.e. unnatural.
Eh it doesn’t get too close to the plexi sound. The wampler plexi drive is incredible though. It’s still a little different from the amp but I prefer it a bit more. Amp distortion and pedal distortion are just different I’d say not really better or worse. Just depends what you want.
The feel and push of real amp gain can’t be simulated by pedals. Not to say pedals are bad, it’s just physically and sonically a completely different approach.
@@endezeichengrimm Yea. What this guy said. Y'all are fucking obsessed with tubes' 'feel'. So try this pedal into a fender blackface 65 Sounds damn good. Now you got a blackface and a jcm800
u fail to understand how pedals work they add a layer on top of the tubes they dont replace them and the most expensive marshall the silver jubilee has diode clipping aswell as the jcn900 😅
Jcm800, this one to be precise, dont have a clean channel. One channel amp with high and low inputs. If he put the pedal in front of an amp then it would be angry charlie (preamp) into the jcm800 preamp.
haha no chance! that beast of an amp blows it away did you run it through the front though as it sounds terrible in the demo. Don't know if you did anything to the JM800 but it sounds amazing.
It will sound like shit, angie charlie is dark sounded pedal, into the fx loop it will sound too dark. FX loop works great for harsh and fizzy pedals like ds-1, metal zone etc
I just tried it into the return of my Origin 50, didn't do it any favors. Muddy, way too much mids. Its not a preamp by any means. When dialed in right with the front of the amp, it sounds decent.
If I were to use this pedal, it would be to add colour to an already broken up amp. Possibly add some more gain, but I would be depending on the amp for most of the character of the gain. Just the pedal for the tone.
Idk if a jcm800 has a effects loop but using the Jhs angry charlie in the effects loop would effectively bypass the amps circuitry and the pedal circuitry would be in effect in the same exact rig...simulating a more organic 1:1 comparison. 🤔
I think the fact that youre putting the Angry Charlie into a Fender Bassman makes this null and void. The Bassman might be coloring the sound. You shouldve just put tge angry charlie direct and put an IR on it.
My friend has the angry Charlie, I have an MF350 with the Crunch being a hotrodded JCM800 style circuit and the pedal is super bassy compared to the real thing. You can’t reach the treble level of the amp at all
The AC is not the best for dynamics at low gain, it shines with compressed hign gain tones. For this comparisson i guess you would get closer with a Rockett Animal, Xotic SL drive, or Zvex Box of rock.
Like with all distortion pedals.Just use it as a boost pedal with an amp that already have some crunch.I use the distortion on one or zero and it sounds killer.
I have DIY Pedalpcb AT+ clone which sounds great and I can say 95-99% close to the original. Here's what I observed of these JHS gain pedals are they have this bit of mid low flavor but can be useful on some music and can be a balanced sounding pedal too. The original chip has this flutey warm singing sustain that you can hear just like how Andy Timmons' sound. But here was what I discovered. I tried swapping the chip on my AT+ and used a TL072 chip then whoa, the pedal sounded like a smooth version of BE OD (i have a DIY BE OD too. The mid low thump was less and much clearer. But one downside is this. The original chip intended for AT+ has more low end crunch and more sustain even at 12 o'clock pos compared to the TL072 chip. But that is okay, I can always use a boost pedal like TS to add tightness, low and sustain with TL072. In the end, I went back using the original chip on my AT+ and instead will build a DIY Angry Charlie v3 with TL072 chips on it. It may somehow come close to the JCM800. Again just a disclaimer: my pedal is a DIY PedalPCB AT+ clone.
Different sounds. JHS sounds cool but it is a 'different flavour'. Please compare the JCM800 with JHS AT+, if you can. The AT+ works really well with my JCM800 Studio. Thanks for the demo!
@@beatlejuice5951 JHS Andy Timmons drive pedal. There are reviews of the Angry Charlie (AC) vs the Andy Timmons (AT) and they are very very similar. Only difference is how the EQ is shaped but you can achieve near identical tones.
Yeah I’d agree with this statement. It’s def a different flavor but it’s just as appealing to me. If I want a jcm800 tone I wouldn’t go to the pedal but if I wanted something a bit more saturated and less bitey that I could switch on my clean amp I’d go with the pedal.
I use the JHS AT+ in front of a Katana 50 mkII . Don't have to tweak the buttons to much to have a very close Marshall killer sound . Also you can use the «boost» knob of the AT+ for more sound options .
Oh yeah, it's never going to be the real thing. Owned many marshalls in my life, including a 100W JCM800. However, I myself have an Angry Charlie V3 and it's a damn good lead pedal when needed! It is one of the few high-gain distortion boxes that cuts through a mix rather easily.
I love the sound and feel of a good amp in a good room as much as any guitar player. But I'm 60 now and experienced a back injury 13 years. Now I don't appreciate any amp enough to carry one. My pedalboard and amp simulator get the job done swimmingly.
Why? If this pedal is commonly called "Marshall in the box", so it is one of those pedals that are meant to give cranked Marshall tone when played in the clean amp like bassman.
Apples and oranges, especially using a Bassman of all things. The treble emphasis was ignored on the pedal in this comparison, thumb down on this experiment.
8 months later forgot I watched it....still a very bad representation of the pedal, and still a bad comparison too. It's hard to get a bad sound out of the pedal, but they did it. May have had some power grounding or phasing issues.
hm.. no jokes? That is a surprise. For me original 800 here was a light year ahead of the pedal by tone, the pedal sounded almost like just straight into the mixer - no tasty harmonics, no sparkle, very dull etc. 800 sounded incredible, just perfect. But I blame bassman for that. I have heard lot of great demos of Angry Charlie. But in this demo it sounded very bad and cheap for mt ears. I am really surprised someone liked it over the 800.
@@SergeiVlassov youtube does weird things to the sound anyway. But for me, I use a tube screamer mini into the angry charlie v3 pedal and it sound killer. I have a marshall jvm 205 head that sounds great in large venues but it's just to noisey and open for smaller venues. That's why I use the pedals, they eliminate more of the unwanted elements. Most people use the 800 with a tube screamer or boss super overdrive anyway. But for solos I use an xotic super sweet boost after the AC and that's what makes the solos sing. If I was playing a large venue though, the marshall head is a beast you cant compete with!!
@@grahamkelly8299 I still blame it on bassman. TH-cam does nothing to guitar tone, youtube compression "attacking" high frequencies, not present in a guitar signal anyway. I do some comparisons and demos of the guitar, and when I upload results on TH-cam, I hear the same tone I hear in my raw wav file. But I totally believe that Charlie is a great pedal, it seems that Bassman cut all the fun sparkle here. I myself using at the moment EH Glove pedal or Fender MTG Tube Distortion into "Fender Twin"-style tube preamp, and the mooer radar for IRs. Sounds great. But for example, when I used RAT into Laney Cub 12R with Celestion VIntage, it sounded amazing! But the same pedal into Laney IRT Studio sounded really bad. So the same pedal can sound amazing into one amp, and terrible into another.
@@SergeiVlassov that's absolutely true. I've been through so manny pedals and some were great, some were disappointing but it was a process I couldn't avoid. The only way is to try it for yourself and either send it back, sell it for the used price you fot it for or keep it because it works in your rig. However I couldn't of done it without using informative videos that you and all the other youtubers make to narrow down the search. So thank you.
@@grahamkelly8299 thank you very much for your words! Btw, believe or not, in 20+ years of playing a guitar and owning different amps from small boutique master-built to Marshall and Engl, and dozens of pedals, I never had tube screamer pedal :) I cannot explain why. Always think that I should finally get one, but "next time" :) At the moment I have 8 different OD and DIST pedals. But it will be funny if tubescreamer will make me happier than any other, haha :) I even had Metal Zone in my youth. And there is noone around who could borrow me one - everybody uses something else. But I need to get one one day :)
Alex I agree. I’m slowly understanding this. Sometimes it’s like making a silk purse out of a sows ear. Not the sustain, compression, dynamics of a tube amp. I’m thinking about the evh 15 w Lbx ii
Maybe some more adjustments need to be developed to enhance brightness. It is true about Marshall amps having to be so loud you need to live out in the country away from neighbors to enjoy them. My guitar tech was telling me that they only sound good loud. I bought a Marshall DSL20cr amp and upgraded the factory speaker to a WGS Invader 50. Played it twice at home and the vinyl dust cover has been on it ever since. The Marshall vibe just wasn't for me
Lousy comparison ... If you bring the kids down and highs up on the pedal , it would be real close to the JCM. I have that pedal and it sounds far better than this demo
@@svenzia Good i will also snitch and back you up. shawn shipatsd lol i saw him in another videos commentator field and he wrote "nice fender telephonecaster. hahahaha it was a telecaster and not even fender. hihihihi
Sounds like the pedal could use a twist of that treble knob..thanks for bringing this to us though!
I love this channel because nothing sounds better in a demo than NO TALKING! Great demo, btw.
The main attraction to the pedal is bedroom volumes for most of us. The jcm 800 sounds great with the volume 3 or above. Good luck sitting down and practicing in front of it
you can use the jhs little amp box in S/R: it works great for my SC20C
you add a second master volume, it does nothing. i have the exact same setup.. @@ilredeldeserto
@@Hyde92 ya! but you can low the volume
@@ilredeldeserto there is already a post PI master volume. a second one doesn't do anything different. The whole point is power tube and transformer saturation which you do not get until the power amp is cranked.. otherwise you just keep playing with preamp only and that is not the sound of a JCM800
As dialed in this demos, I think the pedal had more gain and mids. That JCM800 just sounds great!
Interesting, but...the "clean" tone of the Bassman is very different sounding from the "clean" tone of the JCM800 which effects the way the pedal sounds thru the Bassman compared to how the JCM800 sounds when it's pushed. In this comparison, I think the JM800 sounds way better. The pedal sounds like a pedal, i.e. unnatural.
The JCM800 sounds gorgeous!
Agreed, it contains that nice chimey treble that the pedal appears to lack entirely.
Any chance of a Charlie Brown vs JTM45? That would be a great companion video to go with this one :-)
Eh it doesn’t get too close to the plexi sound. The wampler plexi drive is incredible though. It’s still a little different from the amp but I prefer it a bit more. Amp distortion and pedal distortion are just different I’d say not really better or worse. Just depends what you want.
The feel and push of real amp gain can’t be simulated by pedals. Not to say pedals are bad, it’s just physically and sonically a completely different approach.
you can..but it would require for example to put this Angry CHarlie into a clean Plexi or even a clean JCM800...then you would get that tone!
The pedal tone ultimately depends on the amp it's plugged into.
Well you’re still using an amp with the pedal. I wasn’t going to plug the pedal into my microwave.
@@endezeichengrimm
Yea. What this guy said. Y'all are fucking obsessed with tubes' 'feel'. So try this pedal into a fender blackface 65
Sounds damn good.
Now you got a blackface and a jcm800
u fail to understand how pedals work they add a layer on top of the tubes they dont replace them and the most expensive marshall the silver jubilee has diode clipping aswell as the jcn900 😅
Why didnt you just run the pedal into the clean channel of the 800?
Jcm800, this one to be precise, dont have a clean channel. One channel amp with high and low inputs. If he put the pedal in front of an amp then it would be angry charlie (preamp) into the jcm800 preamp.
@@tompaprexico gotcha, that makes sense!
haha no chance! that beast of an amp blows it away did you run it through the front though as it sounds terrible in the demo. Don't know if you did anything to the JM800 but it sounds amazing.
The pedal should be tried straight into the effects return of the 800, bypassing any amp tone controls.
Good call, that would have been interesting. AC is basically simulating the preamp so adding that to the power section would be super cool.
a few pedals work better that way. The Boss Metal Zone totally sounds better that way. It doesn't have to fight the amp's tone controls.
I bet it didn’t have a loop....that’s why I suggested the low input.....it’s about as bone dry clean as it’ll get....
It will sound like shit, angie charlie is dark sounded pedal, into the fx loop it will sound too dark. FX loop works great for harsh and fizzy pedals like ds-1, metal zone etc
I just tried it into the return of my Origin 50, didn't do it any favors. Muddy, way too much mids. Its not a preamp by any means. When dialed in right with the front of the amp, it sounds decent.
Era melhor ter plugado o pedal direto em um IR que simula o mesmo gabinete do jcm 800? Se passa pelo amp fender n ja muda o som?
The Angry Charlie is the best Marshall in a box I have ever owned imo.
did not sound like marshall here to me though
What’s the riff at 1:22?
the sound of the pedal is too dark and linear sounding (something dead in the sound).
If I were to use this pedal, it would be to add colour to an already broken up amp. Possibly add some more gain, but I would be depending on the amp for most of the character of the gain. Just the pedal for the tone.
Not the same at all, that amp has so much balls it’s impossible to duplicate with just a pedal
Idk if a jcm800 has a effects loop but using the Jhs angry charlie in the effects loop would effectively bypass the amps circuitry and the pedal circuitry would be in effect in the same exact rig...simulating a more organic 1:1 comparison. 🤔
I hear the opening riff, and in my head the nasally-voiced hair-metal-dude voice screams " WHOAH YEAAH C"MON"
Would like to see an MIAB pedal Vs JCM800 Studio 20w
a lot of difference from the real ampli to the pedal
I think the fact that youre putting the Angry Charlie into a Fender Bassman makes this null and void. The Bassman might be coloring the sound.
You shouldve just put tge angry charlie direct and put an IR on it.
My friend has the angry Charlie, I have an MF350 with the Crunch being a hotrodded JCM800 style circuit and the pedal is super bassy compared to the real thing. You can’t reach the treble level of the amp at all
The AC is not the best for dynamics at low gain, it shines with compressed hign gain tones. For this comparisson i guess you would get closer with a Rockett Animal, Xotic SL drive, or Zvex Box of rock.
Like with all distortion pedals.Just use it as a boost pedal with an amp that already have some crunch.I use the distortion on one or zero and it sounds killer.
Just buy a clean boost then...
I have DIY Pedalpcb AT+ clone which sounds great and I can say 95-99% close to the original. Here's what I observed of these JHS gain pedals are they have this bit of mid low flavor but can be useful on some music and can be a balanced sounding pedal too. The original chip has this flutey warm singing sustain that you can hear just like how Andy Timmons' sound.
But here was what I discovered. I tried swapping the chip on my AT+ and used a TL072 chip then whoa, the pedal sounded like a smooth version of BE OD (i have a DIY BE OD too. The mid low thump was less and much clearer. But one downside is this. The original chip intended for AT+ has more low end crunch and more sustain even at 12 o'clock pos compared to the TL072 chip. But that is okay, I can always use a boost pedal like TS to add tightness, low and sustain with TL072.
In the end, I went back using the original chip on my AT+ and instead will build a DIY Angry Charlie v3 with TL072 chips on it. It may somehow come close to the JCM800. Again just a disclaimer: my pedal is a DIY PedalPCB AT+ clone.
This is a killer idea. You may have given me my next project...
Different sounds. JHS sounds cool but it is a 'different flavour'. Please compare the JCM800 with JHS AT+, if you can. The AT+ works really well with my JCM800 Studio. Thanks for the demo!
What is the AT?
AT+?
@@beatlejuice5951 JHS Andy Timmons drive pedal. There are reviews of the Angry Charlie (AC) vs the Andy Timmons (AT) and they are very very similar. Only difference is how the EQ is shaped but you can achieve near identical tones.
Yeah I’d agree with this statement. It’s def a different flavor but it’s just as appealing to me. If I want a jcm800 tone I wouldn’t go to the pedal but if I wanted something a bit more saturated and less bitey that I could switch on my clean amp I’d go with the pedal.
I use the JHS AT+ in front of a Katana 50 mkII . Don't have to tweak the buttons to much to have a very close Marshall killer sound . Also you can use the «boost» knob of the AT+ for more sound options .
Thanks now I want a real JCM 800. Jesus that sounds like butter.
The Angry Charlie sounds like it's under a blanket, not desirable!
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Amp sounds significantly better than the pedal to me, but the pedal is still really good!
Oh yeah, it's never going to be the real thing. Owned many marshalls in my life, including a 100W JCM800. However, I myself have an Angry Charlie V3 and it's a damn good lead pedal when needed! It is one of the few high-gain distortion boxes that cuts through a mix rather easily.
You have to remember you're hearing the Fender amp that he is plugging into as well.
Sounds nothing like the amp !!
Tus videos son excelentes. Angry charlie me parece esta basado en marshall super lead 100.
I love the sound and feel of a good amp in a good room as much as any guitar player.
But I'm 60 now and experienced a back injury 13 years. Now I don't appreciate any amp enough to carry one.
My pedalboard and amp simulator get the job done swimmingly.
Serious?Pedal sounds great with bassman amp but it shouldn't be comparised to real JCM
Why? If this pedal is commonly called "Marshall in the box", so it is one of those pedals that are meant to give cranked Marshall tone when played in the clean amp like bassman.
Very similar
guess i have to get a jcm800 now
They should’ve just plugged the AT+ into the Marshall’s low gain input....that’s what I do ! It won’t get any cleaner that that....
Apples and oranges, especially using a Bassman of all things. The treble emphasis was ignored on the pedal in this comparison, thumb down on this experiment.
8 months later forgot I watched it....still a very bad representation of the pedal, and still a bad comparison too. It's hard to get a bad sound out of the pedal, but they did it. May have had some power grounding or phasing issues.
...the pedal hasn't that "Brizzle", but it is an option!
No it dont, sounds nothin like the amp.
The pedal sounded better to me. On the neck pickup the amp sounded maybe a little clearer
hm.. no jokes? That is a surprise. For me original 800 here was a light year ahead of the pedal by tone, the pedal sounded almost like just straight into the mixer - no tasty harmonics, no sparkle, very dull etc. 800 sounded incredible, just perfect. But I blame bassman for that. I have heard lot of great demos of Angry Charlie. But in this demo it sounded very bad and cheap for mt ears. I am really surprised someone liked it over the 800.
@@SergeiVlassov youtube does weird things to the sound anyway. But for me, I use a tube screamer mini into the angry charlie v3 pedal and it sound killer. I have a marshall jvm 205 head that sounds great in large venues but it's just to noisey and open for smaller venues. That's why I use the pedals, they eliminate more of the unwanted elements. Most people use the 800 with a tube screamer or boss super overdrive anyway. But for solos I use an xotic super sweet boost after the AC and that's what makes the solos sing. If I was playing a large venue though, the marshall head is a beast you cant compete with!!
@@grahamkelly8299 I still blame it on bassman. TH-cam does nothing to guitar tone, youtube compression "attacking" high frequencies, not present in a guitar signal anyway. I do some comparisons and demos of the guitar, and when I upload results on TH-cam, I hear the same tone I hear in my raw wav file. But I totally believe that Charlie is a great pedal, it seems that Bassman cut all the fun sparkle here. I myself using at the moment EH Glove pedal or Fender MTG Tube Distortion into "Fender Twin"-style tube preamp, and the mooer radar for IRs. Sounds great. But for example, when I used RAT into Laney Cub 12R with Celestion VIntage, it sounded amazing! But the same pedal into Laney IRT Studio sounded really bad. So the same pedal can sound amazing into one amp, and terrible into another.
@@SergeiVlassov that's absolutely true. I've been through so manny pedals and some were great, some were disappointing but it was a process I couldn't avoid. The only way is to try it for yourself and either send it back, sell it for the used price you fot it for or keep it because it works in your rig. However I couldn't of done it without using informative videos that you and all the other youtubers make to narrow down the search. So thank you.
@@grahamkelly8299 thank you very much for your words! Btw, believe or not, in 20+ years of playing a guitar and owning different amps from small boutique master-built to Marshall and Engl, and dozens of pedals, I never had tube screamer pedal :) I cannot explain why. Always think that I should finally get one, but "next time" :) At the moment I have 8 different OD and DIST pedals. But it will be funny if tubescreamer will make me happier than any other, haha :) I even had Metal Zone in my youth. And there is noone around who could borrow me one - everybody uses something else. But I need to get one one day :)
Talk about kicking the dog shit out of that pedal huh. But I don’t have 4-5k for an amp lol.
RUN THE PEDAL INTO THE CRUNCH CHANNEL!
Sounds like muffled fart compared to the real deal
I'm starting a movement: "Pedal's Lives Matter'. Cause this unarmed pedal just got slaughtered.
Real amp thud!!!
JHS not even close.
Jhs has dull tone
In real there is no contest.
“ Nothing like the real thing “.
The pedal is way more compressed and honestly sounds pretty bad comparatively
I am slowly finding out that amps cranked sound much better than pedals
Alex
I agree. I’m slowly understanding this. Sometimes it’s like making a silk purse out of a sows ear.
Not the sustain, compression, dynamics of a tube amp. I’m thinking about the evh 15 w Lbx ii
Maybe some more adjustments need to be developed to enhance brightness. It is true about Marshall amps having to be so loud you need to live out in the country away from neighbors to enjoy them. My guitar tech was telling me that they only sound good loud. I bought a Marshall DSL20cr amp and upgraded the factory speaker to a WGS Invader 50. Played it twice at home and the vinyl dust cover has been on it ever since. The Marshall vibe just wasn't for me
Lousy comparison ... If you bring the kids down and highs up on the pedal , it would be real close to the JCM. I have that pedal and it sounds far better than this demo
No question the Marshall kicks this shit pedal out of the watter. I hate JHS.
I will snitch and tell JHS you hate them. Haha you will not be so tough when the JHS crew comes.
@@svenzia Good i will also snitch and back you up. shawn shipatsd lol i saw him in another videos commentator field and he wrote "nice fender telephonecaster. hahahaha it was a telecaster and not even fender. hihihihi
There total rubbish