Blending the 6 Greatest Guitar Speakers in a Marshall Stack!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 2 ต.ค. 2024
- I'm putting the 6 most influential hard rock rock guitar speakers in the same Marshall Stack to get the ultimate tone! :-)
The speakers are:
1971 Celestion G12H30 55Hz Greenback
1983 Celestion G12-65
1990 Celestion G12T-75
1989 Celestion V30 Marshall
1989 EVM 12L
197X JBL D120F
These speakers really complement each other and the combined tone is huge! The amp is 1977 Marshall Superbass modded into the #39 SIR studios mod (Appetite for destruction) and the guitar is a 1975 Gibson Flying V. I'm only using close mics here.
I really like the Vintage 30. It has a very full tone, and also a bit sparkle and bite. 30 years from now, people will be fighting to get their hands on those.
Those Marshall V30 are killer speakers
I also liked the V30 by itself and most combos with the V30 best. Johann, you‘re the reason why I will always be a Marshall guy 🤘🤘🔥
Greenback and EVM (2:16) had something special together, I think. That's what I liked best.
Once again thanks Johan, for your never ending quest on tone!
Thanks Bengt, I’m glad you like it!
Wow, making me remember how much I miss my 2 cabs with G12-65s in them. That's the default combination of beef and articulate mids for me if there is one to do all.
I like the jbl in the mix but not by itself. I definitely like the v 30 ,G12H And the evm the most . This video was freaking awesome dude. Who else does this shit for us. I love this guy.
Cheers Dan
I can just see the soundman's face when you take these two cabs to a gig and he/she asks, "Which speaker should I mic?" And you say, "ALL OF THEM!"
LOL brilliant!
no problem. just tell him, the top cab is only a 2x12... lol
I chased tone my whole life... $1000s spent buying different pickups and effect pedals. all the time it was my speakers that were the problem. I never realized how much speakers effect your tone.
They are the BIGGEST lynch pin in any sound equipment!
Im in love with the Celestion G12EVH 🤘
Speakers are like the tires of a racecar. You can have a phenomenal engine and a top tier frame, but if the tires don't translate all that power to the track the car is not going to race well.
@@GiorgioVerzotto Tyres.
Every studio should have this Full-Stack . Just mix your own tonal heaven . ( And you don`t have to haul a lot of gear along. )
Yeah, the speaker blend is the ultimate EQ
Exactly, just reamp your guitar tracks through this stack and use the speakers/mics as EQ to blend it into the track. Not much EQ or other post-processing needed - if at all.
Hi, Johan!
This is the real pleasure to hear such so beautiful instrument with amazing amp. I am not working with pedals last time, Marshall is ok with distortion. Flying V is magic! See you! You made my day!
Z
Thanks my friend, see you!
Hi Zigg! Thanks for asking for me at the premiere, but I was NOT there! It was not in my feed. It must have come some time later than the usual for me! (Usually 2am!) I think this was around 5am my time! Cheers!
@@DMSProduktions Hi, brother! Yeah, I was a little missing you, because usually we are the most visible together. Alone I am generally not doing to much movement. I need your help with doing fun. Without no trolling or another abuse.. Hope, next time you will be here, and me - too!👍😎
@@siegfriedwashburn3484 IF Herr Joh releases a vid earlier, definitely I will be here!
I was in bed when this came on!
@@DMSProduktions Atlantic time is tough. Worst only Australia. Here in Europe it's 22:00. Not sure about the minutes, but somewhere in the middle of the afternoon. Sometimes I am waiting till 3:00. But I know Johan so many years, that I got a little addiction. I am allways sure, about the quality and about the interesting details. One of my BEST 5 CHANNELS ON YT. Johan, C.Bop Cowboy, Jake Smith, Donavan Tew and Teloch.Mayhem.
Thanks John !!!! what a great reference to have in the studio. Your the man. 👍
Thanks Russell!
Nice selection of speakers! They all sound good, but my favorite are the 65 and 75 watt celestions in this setup.
Thanks Chris!
Any of the combinations with the V30 sounded best to me. I didn’t care for any of the speakers on their own. Combining the speakers seemed to be the best sound. Great video!
Thanks Martin!
A smörgåsbord of tone! Awesome!
Thanks! :-)
When blended with any speaker that JBL shouts EVH.
With that EQ I didn't like the Greenback by itself, though, but it sounded amazing when combined with others.
Thanks! Yeah the Greenback sound thin on its own with these settings
@@JohanSegeborn Greenbacks do have a thin sound, all the more important they are mounted in a good cabinet.
Sadly ,not all cabs are created equal.
Yeah... I have a greenback in my modded 1973 Deluxe reverb and I find it can be bright and piercing. I'm looking to pop it in a Mojo 1x12 extension cab and installing a Celestion alnico blue in the combo itself... Should fatten up the tone
Another great comparison of combinations.
Thank You Sir, great content.
Thanks, glad you like it!
Hey Johan, brilliant idea and excellent execution, as always ;). Generally speaking I found the first combinations (roughly until 3.30) a bit muddy compared to the single speakers, however 2.15 G12H/EVM12L stands out, 4.55 combination is great (distict, punchy, beefy, not muddy), 5.45 is the ultimate Van Halen tibute :)) although for the less popular tones of EVH. I strongly agree to something another commentator said: every studio schould have on of these stacks to make a perfect blend . cheers
Thanks Raphael, Cheers!
Hi Johan, did you ever tried the Jimi Hendrix Plexi Mod? Supposedly a modification Jimi Hendrix used to carry out on all his Marshall 100w amps was to change the tone stack to a 33k/500pf resistor and capacitor combination, provided the amp didn’t already have this tone stack. This rumour was verified when the owner of the JTM 45/100 used extensively by Jimi Hendrix was given to Marshall by a Mr. Dickinson who bought the amp after Jimi’s death, and it was found to contain this sole modification.
Assuming your JTM 45/100 or similar early 100w Marshall amp has the 56k/250pf tone stack combination, you have to change that replacing 66k to 33k and the 250pf to 500pf. If you have a comparative video of this mod can you send me the link? thank you.
Nico.
Hi Nico, that would indicate that Jimi was influential in the 1968 modifications of the lead amps. Cheers!
@@JohanSegeborn OH that´s awesome. Thank you Johan.
Very good blend of different nuances, the mix of them is like a wall!🤟🏼
Thanks Vincenzo! Cheers
I think the lesson here for me, is always use at least 2 mics on two different speakers if you want a fuller sound.....That and never buy a JBL for hard rock tones lol :p
Thank you Johan for all the work you do, you have been a huge help to me over the years in my guitar journey!!
Also...I just bought an Orange Thunderverb 200 from the UK and it is being shipped over to me in the US here :). Thank you for all the Orange content you have done in the past as well :). I'm looking forward to playing that huge Thunderverb very much!
Thanks Matt, glad to hear it!
The G12H30 (55) sounded dreadfully fizzy. Which surprises me because I have a Heritage-series G12H30 (75) - ie the version with the lighter "lead" cone. I think it sounds lovely - it has a distant woody sort of tone, and very different to the G12H Anniversary, which is an articulate, punchy speaker. I have one of each in a big 2x12 cab. The G12H (75) most certainly is NOT fizzy when used with an overdriven amp (Matamp C7). In fact, the G12H (55) on test here is so bad, I'm wondering if it isn't damaged?
It's easy to see why EVH and Dickey Betts liked to use JBL speakers, although on its own, it's a bit too shrill. It does give the right amount of sizzle when used with another warmer speaker.
I think I like the Greenback with the EVM12L best. Nice combination for sure. It seems to cover a lot of bases with only two speakers.
I'm going to have to listen to some of the other combinations with headphones. Lots to take in here! Well done!
Thanks. Patrick! Glad to hear that
My favorite single speaker was the 1989 EVM 12L. I thought all the combinations sounded good/useful. Thanks
Thanks!
Loved it. I'd like to also make positive noises about the fact that a unused Boss noisgate and a soldering iron were prominently seen in the video. Those are truly tools of the sonic trade.
Now if you'll excuse me, I have a a 4x12 to drag into the house and somehow find space for... purchased for the 4 x G12H-100s found within' :)
🤣 G12H-100 are killer speakers
Hi Johan, Excellent demo as always - noticed you kept the soldering iron handy :-) I'm a big V30 fan and when you mixed it with the Greenback I felt they complemented each other well. Many Thanks.
The Supersonic Swede Strikes again ! A big Shout Out for Johan !
Thanks man! ;-)
4:55 what a tasty tone!
A Flying V has never looked cooler then the picture for this video. Very cool ideas. Why if I was a rockstar Johan would have to be on my pay roll for something. He’s a hidden Jem.
Thanks Dan! :-)
Great stuff,Johan!
Interesting demo. Even though a recent generation Android phone you can hear the difference. Certainly a future reference video. Great job!
Thanks Donald, glad to hear it!
EVM and JBL sound very good with a bit of toppy rasp coming from the Celestions. Sounds like it would make for very versatile range of tones at different guitar volumes and tone settings. Very nice (nasty) amp.
Thanks yeah the #39 is a monster amp
Blended to perfection.
I bet the clean tones were massive from that stack o flavors
Thanks!
I was surprised by the hated G12T75 sound, very good on all counts and LOUD. Test also confirmed JBLD130 is NOT a Metal speaker, while same area (originally PA speaker) EVM holds its own.
This is beautiful! I'm a blues rock guy who loves Vintage 30's!
Some of the speakers don't sound good to me without being specific, though I must admit, in a mix it could be a different story. It makes me wonder some times when I have my amp cranked in the studio, not mic'k, and it sounds fantastic, what if it doesn't sound as good mic'k. I prefer the tight sound of an amp closet and my studio does not have one, though I might be able to create an environment sounding similar. Thank you for the content. I love learning.
Christina Carducci
I have a late 70s twin reverb. the overdrive or distortion sound is not good. If i wanted to get a better overdrive sound what speakers would i get. it says 135 watts on the back of the amp. what ohms and what watt speaker? what type of speaker? Ive heard a less efficient speaker would break up any advice is greatly appreciated thanks
I think the only problem is you'd have to parallel them all to get an accurate frequency response (one speaker's higher impedance in the chain could affect the power going to different speakers with different impedance curves) and then the impedance would be too low for the amp, so then you'd need a separate amp channel for each speaker.
Do you match impedance - what impedance were you running from the combinations
People say that greenbacks are not trebly, they are great but they have more treble than the others or not?
Marshall + V30 will always be match made in haven 🤘 Although, I am in love with the Celestion G12EVH 😁🤘
Yeah the Marshall V30 speaker is beautfully balanced
Cool comparison to show how mixing speakers can get awesome guitar sounds. I assume you were using the same mics placed at the same point of each speaker(near the center of voice coil or towards the edge?). For my needs I liked the 65 & the EVM-12L best on their own, but really loved the mix of the G12H-30 with the EVM-12L. That captured the crispness with some lower mids that I really like. I also liked the combo of the V30/65/EVM/JBL-it's a very full response that would work in many mixes because having the ability to push certain speakers up in the mix. Like when you want to stick out more, just boost the JBL or V30 and you're there. I often forget that the V30 is a worthy speaker-probably due to my preference for the late 70's/early 80's G12H-80 with a 444 cone(T2876/T3103).
All of the speakers sounded pretty good though I would choose not to use a JBL unless its dust cap has been replaced. The metal dust cap that JBL & Altec use has a top end that worked great in an era before PA systems actually worked. In today's world they have too much top end unless you take the mic way off the center of the cone. Some Fane speakers might have been interesting in the mix, but they're harder to find working. An Altec 417C would also be classic speaker to mix in.
Thanks! I Miked them where the dust cap meets the cone. E906 on V30, G12-65 and G12T-75. SM57 on EV, 548 on Greenback on M-160 on JBL. They really need different mics
G12 80's from 1979 forward to mid 80's are absolutely the finest guitar spkrs, I have 2 small checkerboard model 1982 from 1979 loaded with 80's and they roar, also have lots of g12 m black backs
65s 70's G12 H 30 55hz, EVM 12L black label 300 watts JBL etc
The 80's are by far the best
2:23 *G12-65* & *EVM12L* , ....sounds great in >> '73 SOUND CITY 120 MkIV amp , Watkins Copicat MkIV tape echo, DiMarzio Super Distortion and P90 pickups, and DOD FX60 Chorus pedal.
Thanks! Cool signal chain
Single JBL and Greenback (for me)
Dear Johan, what pickups are on Gibson? Original T tops? Any alternative (similar pickups) recommendation that we can buy easy today and have the same sound/output? Thanks
Hi Costis! Yeah it’s got the stock T-tops. I use Burstbuckers 1and 2 in my other guitars for that tone. This one is a bit warmer sounding though. Cheers
"what speakers do you use in your box?" Johan: "yes." lol :o) don't like the JBL, this damn thing just hurts my ears, and the G12H alone sounded **** too here. and I missed a G12M Greenback... however, excellent video as allways. very useful combinations here, some I liked more, some less, but that is a matter of taste, no? :o)
Thanks Frank! :-)
Hat was the overall impedance from the cab?
Interesting that you have G12T-75 there! Many don't like it at all! Even "tone authorities" I might call them without irony, people who built rigs and have solid ears for tones, often dislike it, back then and today as well. I approve though, I've always liked the speaker in my use, just need to turn the bass almost off for my Laney amp. Gotta say, those G12-65 and EVM really sound nice though. Separate AND together. EVM was like louder and punchier version of 65 to my ear (mids got more emphasized than highs).
Surprised how the greenback sounded in this comparison. Not at all to my liking, but in the mix of speakers it complemented the others well. V30 also sounded boring. Like all the spirit was taken away when it was V30's turn. And even G12T-75 that I've played the most surprised me, positively. Didn't expect it to sound this nice with this amp.
In the end it seems like this comparison revealed more about my preference than about the actual speakers. I would totally make a combination of 65 and greenback (but never greenback alone). Or EVM with something. Currently I have 65 and 75 cabs and they are ok together. Greenback would perhaps bring more spirit combined with one of them though. Now I need to probably hunt some EVM like speaker. I think greenback, 65 and EVM were the perfectly balanced combination. 65 and EVM alone was still a bit honky, but when you add Greenback to them!
Thanks! Yeah G12T-75 is indeed a classic speaker
Hi Johan, when you mic up the speakers are you mic ing the ‘sweet spot ‘ on the cone (slightly off centre) or are you placing the mic in the centre? Also which mic do you use, SM57? Do all speakers have the same type of mic on them? I was particularly surprised by the sound of the Greenback. Great work thanks!
Thanks! I put the mic where the dust cap meets the cone. I used e906 on the V30, 65 and 75, 548 on the Greenback, SM57 on the EV and M160 on the JBL. E906 and 548 are equally bright. The EV needs the added top end of 57 and the JBL needs the high end roll off off the ribbon. Cheers
Awesome speaker combinations. My favorite speakers, the V30 and the G12T-75. 👍🏼🔊🔉
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Will!
Johan, what about the Fullback? Hasn't made History yet maybe... yet ;)
In love with the G12-65, such a full sounding and versatile speaker, great for a 1x12! Awesome video
Thanks! The Full Back is another favorite of mine!
What a great bunch of noise ...V30 and the Greenback ...the G12s can sure cut through ...cool stuff indeed
Thanks Gerry! :-)
Hi Johan ! Thanks for this very interesting video (as always) ! Can you tell me more about the Greenback used in your video please ? It's a vintage one or a recent one ?
Thanks !
Thanks Max! It’s a 1971 G12H30 55Hz
Wow, great vid!! Thanks Johan.
I have a 4-12 with 2 greenbacks, a V30, and a 75th anniv. 30H.
An openback cab with 2 D131's on top for that sizzle ;)
Thanks Lu! Cool with those older D120s
This test proves that the G12 H 30 55hz 16ohm driver with the bass cone is a very bright speaker as well as the V30, large magnets both bass cone both very bright
Yeah they’re both pretty sparkly
I love how chewy the evm sounds. That overall blend really raises the ceiling.
Thanks, EVM is the biggest sounding for sure
The EV's are usually the best sounding of the lot!
EV's usually let you hear exactly what the amp sounds like with minimal coloration. The L version also projects more than a Celestion and is more efficient (louder).
@@fredvahldiek738 1 12" EV, sounds like 2 or 4 speakers!
Super interesting. I might need to rethink my mic’ng practices. I have multiple cabinets loaded with different speakers. I need to experiment! Great video, Johan.
Thanks John!
Great video! It's hard to get people to understand how different an amp can sound depending on the speaker that you use. All of us should have a cabinet combo like this to enjoy 😁. You had me when you said "Forsberg". Killer tones throughout. God bless and rock on 👍🎸😎
Thanks J, have a great day!
Celestion is the way 😀
Bet that sounded awesome in the room
Yeah a very balanced sound
Thank you Johan! Now I know that I need to get an EVM for blending with my Greenbacks, haha.
Thanks Anthony! Yeah it really complements Greenbacks
Green EVL 12L sounds the best
Sometimes I see that you use the Iron man 2, or the THD Hotplate, do you have a preference?
Hi, The Iron man 2 is the most transparent
This is why Johan is the most interesting Guitar obsessive on U tube !!!!!
Thanks David! :-)
The amount of Rock in this room has reached dangerous levels.
Hahaha! 🤣 Cheers
Well done Brother! Great Tones and pairings! Thanks for sharing and Be Well All!
Thanks brother!
How surprised am I, the Greenback and JBL really did not sound good to me. My favorite was the G65, by a wide margin and the EV surprised me with not being what the JBL turned out to be.
JBL are crap!
JBL are not crap, they just sound different. They go a 1000 or so Hz higher than a Celestion so the amp settings have to be adjusted to suit. But a speaker with a 4 inch edge wound aluminum voice coil with a 12 pound magnet in a cast aluminum frame is hardly crap.
@@EdwardT9 It's that CAP that makes it harsh sounding! (And it's ALUMINIUM!)
@@DMSProduktions it was put there, along with using the aluminum voice coil, to turn the 130A into a full range speaker, D130, for mono hifi use in the early 50s. The 12” 131A became the D131, then It then got carried over into guitar use when JBL got used by Fender as the D120F. I’ve always wondered what they’d sound like with a cloth screen cap like Celestion, or a paper dust cap.
@@EdwardT9 I reckon they would sound a lot smoother!
Johan you have reviewed the Marshall Lead 12 but have you played the one year only Lead 15? It was made between the last year of the Lead 12 and the newer MG series. It has a two pot control pregain stage instead of just the jacks, a master volume, and spring reverb. The speakers in the cabs are no name crap but plug the head into any other speaker cabinet and it rocks! See if you can find one and run it through the paces. Marshall Lead 15 microstack. Not the Newer MG series.
The G12h was so good but I surprisingly really liked the EVM12L by itself!
What do you think about the Celestion G12 K100 (the newer ones)? Do they do a similar thing that the JBLs do or would you say they are very different?
Thanks!
Best combinations, for me, are when you combine two sharp once with two dull once. JBL, Greenback, V30 and even a G12T75 being sharp and EVM12L and G12-65 being dull. Oldie but goldie G12T75 being fairly balanced to be honest. This all OFC take in with specific versions of speakers while same speakers in 8 and 16 Ohm do not sound the same.BTW order of speakers mentioned are for me order of high end content in the overall sound of a speaker. I love midds and bass but high end defines speaker breakup and distortion in this kind of a setup. Midd's give it a body and structure.
Thanks!
@@JohanSegeborn Your videos are always great. Pleasure to watch. Thank you!
Came for the speaker comparison. Stayed for Johan's oh-so-tasty riffing (the one at 4:00 needs to be in a song)!! You really need to release some original Classic Rock tunes using all this vintage gear.
Excellent work Johan! I have thought another using a 4x12 marshal with only two speakers (as in the top cab of your demo). Does that sound pretty good compared to a dedicated 2x12 cab in your opinion? My motivation would to have a less loud cab with speakers working harder for bar gigs and places where you can’t be too loud. Appreciate your work and guidance! Thank you!!
Johan’s cab of doom!
Cheers ;-)
you should make Impulse Responses of all your amps and cabs and combinations... id buy it for sure :)
Beautiful!
Thanks!
Great video!
Thanks Norman!
@@JohanSegeborn thank YOU Johan! 😀
It's always interesting listening to other guitars show what their 75s sound like. I've got a first run of them in an 86 B cab and a later run of them in an 89 B cabinet. Both sound different. They all do the same thing, but differently. Very strange and fun to play with
Great video. Lifetime of tones and fun
Killer video Johan I would love to have those cabs any day.
Thanks Ricky!
EVM for the win
The G12H Greenback in this video can’t be functioning properly.
Thank you man!
Thanks David!
I think I'd love to have the Vintage 30 sharing a cab with a Greenback.
3:15 ACE!
Thanks Charles! :-)
@@JohanSegeborn sneak in some ACE.. I will find it :)
I had two Marshall JMP 50w combos, one sounded terrible, like a transistor amp. It was the speakers that ruined the sound, both the amps were good.
super effective demonstration.
Thanks, glad to hear it!
That EV12L sounds so good. It would be hard to run that JBL on its own.
That was my pick too!
Most balanced one indeed
@@JohanSegeborn that's why I think it's just a great all round speaker. I have the modern 12L and it sounds great with all my amps (Vox, Marshall, BF Fender, Tweed Fender and Two Rock). I've never had a chance to play one of the older 12Ls, but I'd love to try one some day.
Interesting demo... I really like Greenbacks (have one combined with a Creamback in my Splawn setup, sounds great) but man this demo makes them sound terrible when they're on their own.
Most of my speakers get an amplifier of their own, except for special needs amps, and I can adjust each one for maximum tone. My EVMs are dialed up to quite a screech, as far as I can tell. I can ask the neighbor.
;-)
my kind of stack ;-)
Cheers ;-)
The JBL is my favorite by faaar
Really enjoyed
Glad to hear that
no Blue 😭
They’re great off course but it would take down the power handling too much for a 100W amp
What is the box with the green light on top of your Marshall amp?
It's a Tone King Ironman II attenuator
Круто ))
Just heard it via a cheap headset, but the Greenback on it's own sounds complete shit in each example...So what do we get out of it: The more flavours you mix, the better it gets.
Yeah they complement each other very well
I liked the G-65 (reminds me of early 80's Judas Priest) and the EVL (reminds me of Iron Maiden instantly) The Marshall version of the V30 is slightly more aggressive than the regular one. To me the best V30 is the Mesa V30, it's significantly darker. Also didn't like the JBL at all. I hated it tbh. The greenback H still retains that classic sound although it was a little too bright for my taste in this situation.
Thanks, yeah the amp is set way to bright to work with JBLs