SRV did not have fuzz first. You can get pedals to change both input and output impedance you can put before (and after) fuzz pedals. I run a Uni-Vibe into a pedal that cranks impedance then into a germanium fuzz and it works great. Delay and reverb to me sound best in parallel so each delay repeat doesn’t have a reverb tail on it. Sounds cleaner in parallel. Great video. Super well explained. Trust Grant his products are great too!!
Great vid! Been playing for decades and I'm open enough that it has me rethinking my setup. I'm going to try a few things differently just because. Thanks for the challenge to try things.
I like to order my overdrive for headroom, the highest headroom overdrive last. Boost after overdrive because I control the gain with the guitar's volume pot.
Really helpful video thanks. After decades of using modellers. I am just building a more analogue pedalboard again (although in practice it’s a hybrid, like the example you show here, as I use digital wet effects). I want to underline how right you are about experimenting with the order of the pedals. My main experimentation has been with gain staging of drives. I have 3 drive pedals and a boost pedal and found that for my use case having the boost at the end closest to the amp (which I have set with high headroom) to provide some always-on fatness and tone shaping for my single coil guitars works best as it maintains the headroom of the amp. I do stack the three drives before that starting after the guitar with a Klon style drive for light gain then a Nobels ODR1 for medium gain (when used together these give me high saturation for solos and bigger crunchy tones). Then before the boost pedal I am using a Boss SD1 a bit like a Tubescreamer as a solo boost with very little gain, which provides me with some mid range tone shaping for solos and a volume boost. All three drive pedals seem to work well in all combinations for different levels of gain and mid boost. I mention this because prior to landing on this arrangement I had tried both high to low and low to high gain but what I have ended up with is higher gain in the middle of the chain which provides both the tones and the headroom I need to boost. It was only by experimenting that I ended up with his combo. So as you say, it’s good to know the rules then break them to see if it works better for you. Thanks again!
If you have the budget, get an RJM Mini Effects Gizmo on your board for two reasons. First, you can try any combination of any pedal order without having to re-patch your pedals. Second, if you like patching multiple different pedal orders, you can save them as MIDI recallable presets. The MEG is $500 retail. It can handle up to six stereo loops which is where you patch in your pedals. Stereo loops can be reconfigured to be two mono loops. And with a bit of creative cabling you can run pedals into the front and / or in the amp’s effects loop.
I think with pitch effects, there are really 2 types: pitch FX that do something to the pitch but don't have any pitch-detecting as part of how they work, they just do what they do wiht whatever input signal (classic octaver like a POG), and pitch FX that DO need to do some kind of pitch detection in order to do what they do (intelligent harmonizer like a TC Electronic Quintessence). FX that need to DETECT pitch very often don't do well with a distorted/fuzzed signal at their input, as they either fail or are slower in their pitch detection.
Phenomenal Job with this Grant. All 3 of you-guys do a great-job - sharing valuable information, tips, tricks & best practices. I watch Chairmen Religiously. oNe LovE from NYC
thank you! i would akso love to see an episode on combining certain effects/- types to create a specific sound or effect. EHX did some epidodes ob this subject many years ago which i really dug Maybe you guys want ti look into this!
Great discussion but as mentioned before, chorus was not discussed. One observation I've made for myself after many go-arounds is that chorus (and uni-vibe, vibe-type effects) sound better BEFORE distortion. Against conventional wisdom I believe, and I'm not sure why, but I've found the vibe/chorus effect is much more noticeable before distortion. I have the same Waza-craft chorus shown here (which also has a nice vibe effect with the switch to the right) at least for my ears.
I use that one as my first but adjust volume . It great Shaping your pickup say like strat or les it will give you 4 More opinion on top This pedal is stereo might can it in two half pre and post lot cable again it is midi. It give you split eq . . Its amzing how change your pickups. Like 2nd position on strat if thing it not enough quack get that funk hollow sound I can make in 2nd position humbucker sounds to add Thickness . Very good pedal what it can do
I put my flanger last and couldn't hear anything else in my effects loop of my Kat gen1. Put it first and wow the difference. got any lessons on recording dark distortion with clarity or this a myth?
can you go this hard on parallel effects loop on another video? In reaper I'm fine with effects but live, I feel like I run too much gain and too much wet. Balance is hard in audio science.
I wanted to reiterate I think this was a fantastic video. The other things I wish I knew early on were (a) buy a bigger board than you think you need, you will only add pedals (sad but true); (b) pay attention to voltage, polarity and current requirements of your pedals (mAmps) and make sure your power supply supplies the necessary voltage/current and that you have reverse polarity power cords if necessary (most pedals are just standard negative pin but need to pay attention); (c) ground loops -- if you do things like run two more more amps, or plug your amp and power supply into separate outlets, you can create a ground loop (though with a good power supply this probably shouldn't happen with the latter) -- guess what, Goodwood sells fantastic solutions to ground loops with their isolator pedal (which I have) and their wet/dry junction box; (d) an EQ pedal solves a ton of problems -- I agree, putting it right after your drives is a great place to put it, let your drives --especially if they are stacked -- "do their thing", only then EQ it a little to fix the fine edges, then feed it into wet effects. In my case I use a compressor as a limiter after drives, so I put the eq after this limiter; (e) different pedals sound better/ different through different amps -- a scooped fuzz is not going to sound great into a 6L6/Fender-syle amp, but great through a Marshall, etc. a tube screamer is great through a Fender and decent through a Marshall ... but the EQ pedal can really help with this; (f) i "broke some rules" through experimentation -- it is important to try things out. i learned I love phaser and analog chorus before dirt. the phaser is like a filter effectt for me so better before drive (though I like wah after drive and fuz). the analog chorus i have to run it on a low blend or mix -- it let's enough dry signal through into the dirt. to me that is a great sound. i still prefer flangers after dirt. and i strongly believe tremolo should be last just like how original tremolo amps were built! i think analog delay into a harmonic tremolo is just an amazing sound. i don't even use reverb most of the time , i like the delay to act like my reverb. if i use reverb i put it in parallel with the delay so the delay can stay clean and not get washed out. i learned a ton from Goodwood and Vertex about all this stuff, their educational videos and websites are super helpful
Best discussion on pedal order I have come acroos
Thanks
SRV did not have fuzz first. You can get pedals to change both input and output impedance you can put before (and after) fuzz pedals. I run a Uni-Vibe into a pedal that cranks impedance then into a germanium fuzz and it works great.
Delay and reverb to me sound best in parallel so each delay repeat doesn’t have a reverb tail on it. Sounds cleaner in parallel.
Great video. Super well explained. Trust Grant his products are great too!!
I go Euna into an Octa Psi, sounds immense. If I had a fuzz that needed to bypass a buffer I’d put it into the Euna’s loop
Great vid! Been playing for decades and I'm open enough that it has me rethinking my setup. I'm going to try a few things differently just because.
Thanks for the challenge to try things.
I like to order my overdrive for headroom, the highest headroom overdrive last. Boost after overdrive because I control the gain with the guitar's volume pot.
Thanks man! That was great! 🤘
Really helpful video thanks. After decades of using modellers. I am just building a more analogue pedalboard again (although in practice it’s a hybrid, like the example you show here, as I use digital wet effects). I want to underline how right you are about experimenting with the order of the pedals. My main experimentation has been with gain staging of drives. I have 3 drive pedals and a boost pedal and found that for my use case having the boost at the end closest to the amp (which I have set with high headroom) to provide some always-on fatness and tone shaping for my single coil guitars works best as it maintains the headroom of the amp. I do stack the three drives before that starting after the guitar with a Klon style drive for light gain then a Nobels ODR1 for medium gain (when used together these give me high saturation for solos and bigger crunchy tones). Then before the boost pedal I am using a Boss SD1 a bit like a Tubescreamer as a solo boost with very little gain, which provides me with some mid range tone shaping for solos and a volume boost. All three drive pedals seem to work well in all combinations for different levels of gain and mid boost. I mention this because prior to landing on this arrangement I had tried both high to low and low to high gain but what I have ended up with is higher gain in the middle of the chain which provides both the tones and the headroom I need to boost. It was only by experimenting that I ended up with his combo. So as you say, it’s good to know the rules then break them to see if it works better for you. Thanks again!
Just about to incorporate a Duophony into my board, gonna have the LVX and MercuryX on either side, can’t wait
I like the tremolo both ways but in the end it stays at the end of my effect chain. I love phasing effects before overdrives.
Very cool things to think about. Thank you mate
If you have the budget, get an RJM Mini Effects Gizmo on your board for two reasons.
First, you can try any combination of any pedal order without having to re-patch your pedals.
Second, if you like patching multiple different pedal orders, you can save them as MIDI recallable presets.
The MEG is $500 retail. It can handle up to six stereo loops which is where you patch in your pedals. Stereo loops can be reconfigured to be two mono loops.
And with a bit of creative cabling you can run pedals into the front and / or in the amp’s effects loop.
I agree on the octave man. I have my pitchfork after my drives before my modulation/delay. I like it there for what I use it for
Great video Grant!
I think with pitch effects, there are really 2 types: pitch FX that do something to the pitch but don't have any pitch-detecting as part of how they work, they just do what they do wiht whatever input signal (classic octaver like a POG), and pitch FX that DO need to do some kind of pitch detection in order to do what they do (intelligent harmonizer like a TC Electronic Quintessence). FX that need to DETECT pitch very often don't do well with a distorted/fuzzed signal at their input, as they either fail or are slower in their pitch detection.
great video!
Phenomenal Job with this Grant. All 3 of you-guys do a great-job - sharing valuable information, tips, tricks & best practices. I watch Chairmen Religiously. oNe LovE from NYC
thank you!
i would akso love to see an episode on combining certain effects/- types to create a specific sound or effect. EHX did some epidodes ob this subject many years ago which i really dug
Maybe you guys want ti look into this!
Great discussion but as mentioned before, chorus was not discussed. One observation I've made for myself after many go-arounds is that chorus (and uni-vibe, vibe-type effects) sound better BEFORE distortion. Against conventional wisdom I believe, and I'm not sure why, but I've found the vibe/chorus effect is much more noticeable before distortion. I have the same Waza-craft chorus shown here (which also has a nice vibe effect with the switch to the right) at least for my ears.
Compression before or after wah?
I use that one as my first but adjust volume . It great Shaping your pickup say like strat or les it will give you 4 More opinion on top
This pedal is stereo might can it in two half pre and post lot cable again it is midi. It give you split eq . . Its amzing how change your pickups. Like 2nd position on strat if thing it not enough quack get that funk hollow sound I can make in 2nd position humbucker sounds to add Thickness . Very good pedal what it can do
I put my flanger last and couldn't hear anything else in my effects loop of my Kat gen1. Put it first and wow the difference. got any lessons on recording dark distortion with clarity or this a myth?
can you go this hard on parallel effects loop on another video? In reaper I'm fine with effects but live, I feel like I run too much gain and too much wet. Balance is hard in audio science.
I wanted to reiterate I think this was a fantastic video. The other things I wish I knew early on were (a) buy a bigger board than you think you need, you will only add pedals (sad but true); (b) pay attention to voltage, polarity and current requirements of your pedals (mAmps) and make sure your power supply supplies the necessary voltage/current and that you have reverse polarity power cords if necessary (most pedals are just standard negative pin but need to pay attention); (c) ground loops -- if you do things like run two more more amps, or plug your amp and power supply into separate outlets, you can create a ground loop (though with a good power supply this probably shouldn't happen with the latter) -- guess what, Goodwood sells fantastic solutions to ground loops with their isolator pedal (which I have) and their wet/dry junction box; (d) an EQ pedal solves a ton of problems -- I agree, putting it right after your drives is a great place to put it, let your drives --especially if they are stacked -- "do their thing", only then EQ it a little to fix the fine edges, then feed it into wet effects. In my case I use a compressor as a limiter after drives, so I put the eq after this limiter; (e) different pedals sound better/ different through different amps -- a scooped fuzz is not going to sound great into a 6L6/Fender-syle amp, but great through a Marshall, etc. a tube screamer is great through a Fender and decent through a Marshall ... but the EQ pedal can really help with this; (f) i "broke some rules" through experimentation -- it is important to try things out. i learned I love phaser and analog chorus before dirt. the phaser is like a filter effectt for me so better before drive (though I like wah after drive and fuz). the analog chorus i have to run it on a low blend or mix -- it let's enough dry signal through into the dirt. to me that is a great sound. i still prefer flangers after dirt. and i strongly believe tremolo should be last just like how original tremolo amps were built! i think analog delay into a harmonic tremolo is just an amazing sound. i don't even use reverb most of the time , i like the delay to act like my reverb. if i use reverb i put it in parallel with the delay so the delay can stay clean and not get washed out. i learned a ton from Goodwood and Vertex about all this stuff, their educational videos and websites are super helpful
You missed chorus?
The one pedal I was waiting to hear you discuss 😢
What volume pedal is that?
It's a Lehle Volume Pedal
So I shouldn't use my Vertex board with a Vertex buffer? Because, that board/buffer is designed to come in that way, right?
You could, but it's not required.