I keep thinking of how the fuel system must be designed. The vertical nature of the seat style fuel tanks must keep fuel flow assured despite no flop tubes.
Imagine arming and outfitting one of these with rockets and guns for CAS missions. Armor the cockpit and vitals shroud the fan. You lose power autogyro to the ground.
The inherent need for gyros to remain in positive G conditions limits anything that might be called 'extreme aerobatics'. However the video does show some of the useful characteristics of gyros.
@Concerned Citizen What I meant is that I'm fairly certain negative Gs will have you hurling a lot sooner than positive ones. I get sick even on a bus though so ...
th-cam.com/video/4jQe238K2es/w-d-xo.html now other than literally flying inverted, this is loops and rolls. Add to that the ability to turn literally on its axis no stall abililty to fly at extremely low airspeeds. Note most of us are no where near crazy enough to try anything like this but the machine is capable. Can a Pitts special or Extra turn in this radius and carry on its merry way afterwards? Yes they can go vertical and spin but they can't haul up to zero airspeed flat, turn in their own radius and continue on. Additionally this is a fairly common type but isn't special in being able to do these maneuvers. I've seen Bensen's do similar. So there is nothing special outside the massively powerful engine on this machine for its weight about 100hp 2 stroke. Quite light. But gyros because the rotors auto-govern rpm cannot overload the rotor like an aircraft can. Aircraft in aerobatic conditions can either enter high speed stall or simply add too much lift to the wing and rip themselves apart if G loads increase too much restricting most GA aircraft to moderate maneuvers. Rotors in gyros are a) high wing loading but also b) don't take on angle of attack instantly. That is lets say I do a sudden pull up in an ultralight I could rip my wings off. In a gyro the angle of attack increases but because the blades individually are doing hundreds of miles and hour the angle even if 90 degrees on the disk is much lower this is why we can do vertical descents and not stall. But not only that as angle of attack increases it slows the rotor rpm at a certain point (drag relative to each rotor increases) this limits the total load they will stay at a certain rpm and not go beyond. This means the blades will cone but stay spinning and the machine will mush vertically gradually dissipating the lift. In effect this means you can dive at the ground and yank back as hard as you like and not overload the rotors or strain the airframe. So yes there are several tricks gyros cannot do, they can't maintain negative g loads at all. But they can do many things and are more manouverable than even helicopters (which have significantly more work to do). They cannot literally hover or fly backwards unless it has a headwind. But I've maintained height at down to 12mph on a VW gyro - very heavy - I imagine this guy can do it down to 8mph with his 100hp and 30kg less engine weight. Remember other than the high power to weight of this machine all gyros can do this stuff. Most wouldn't be game but the machine is capable.
I'd be grateful if the original poster could share their definition of aerobatics. There's some fine handling on show here but nothing I'd describe as aerobatic (sideways flight in a gyro is pretty cool though and is something I've not seen before). Unless the aeros were edited out before posting, somehow?
Its not extreme aerobatics. Its extreme GYROCOPTER aerobatics. Yes, we all know airplanes and proper helicopters can pull much more extreme looking maneuvers. But a gyrocopter is a very different beast. A few of these maneuvers are definitely tickling the pucker factor if you're familiar with how gyros are typically handled.....
Would have been better if he shut down and autorotated w/smoke. To the ground as a finally. Showing the best aspect of this machine, its ability to to land safely. It would in prove sales, of the machine.
Once the rotors spin up from forward flight they have enough momentum to keep going for a while (autorotate.) It's like how a heli can glide for a bit with the engine turned off. It's a safety thing heli pilots learn in case of engine failure.
@@joshstarkey8883 Note quite. The difference between a helicopter is a gyroplane's rotor blades are always in autorotation mode since there is no direct drive powering them. This full-time autorotation means a gyroplane can never ever stall. Unlike a helicopter, the gyroplane's engine and propeller is merely providing thrust to push (or pull - if nose mounted engine) the aircraft through the air which forces the rotor blades to spin, like a child's pinwheel. Note that both helicopters and gyroplanes will 'glide' without engine power, courtesy of BOTH gravity and altitude, but not far since there's an immense amount of drag trying to decelerate the spinning rotor blades. A steeper glide angle than a fixed wing airplane is required. I believe the glide angle is even steeper in the gyro since it doesn't have collective pitch. Even so, a gyro is easier to land without power since no collective is involved. As an example, my Bensen B8M gyrocopter, that I used to fly in the early 1980s, required a 45 degree glide angle to keep the blades spinning fast enough to store the energy required to flare and touchdown softly at landing. The good news is it would touch down at about 10 mph forward speed so didn't need much of a clear area to land safely. :)
I imagine the fact the rotor disk can pivot dipping the back of the disk into the forward thrust blade's prop wash has something to do with it. I looks like it keeps its nose up canceling the forward motion, but providing enough wind through the top rotor to keep it spinning. Or at least slowing how much energy its losing
You are not literally flying sideways, you can maintain a hover above the ground in a 12mph headwind in many gyros (I have in my VW gyro). You have all the power and full back stick at this point. You then push in a little bank and the machine is crabbing say left but you hold in opposite rudder so the nose is pointing right or visa versa. Even on mostly calm days its not uncommon to have 8mph wind at these speeds so you appear to be flying sideways - well you are over the ground but relative to the air you are flying very slowly forward with a gentle bank and loads of opposite rudder. Rudders on pusher gyros are incredibly sensitive compared to fixed wings because they are about 1 or 2 feet behind the pusher prop. In this manouver you have full power or almost full power so masses of wind blowing over the rudder directly, add to that the rotor head is a giant ball bearing means there is no aerodynamic resistance to turning so a bit of deflected air has a massive effect. This is one reasons gyros can turn so tight.
They already have cyclic control, Eric. They've had cyclic since....forever. They have no collective, which they don't need. The exception being to perform a "jump" takeoff.
This is scary to just watch ;) Very realistick rc as well! :D (Yeah.. I know it's a 1/1 ;)) I'd be interested to know how efficient these things fly :)
I should point out (even though your comment is 7 years old) that the 'RC' in the world of rotary winged aircraft refers to Rotor Control - not radio control, though this poster 'EssentialRC' is in fact a radio controlled model aircraft afficianado. Rotor speed control is essential in rotary wing aircraft and these sort of manœuvres quickly load and unload the rotor with equally rapid changes in rotation speed which must be managed.
I keep thinking of how the fuel system must be designed. The vertical nature of the seat style fuel tanks must keep fuel flow assured despite no flop tubes.
Yes essentially its somewhat weight shift so whatever attitude you develop in flight G is always pointing down.
Imagine arming and outfitting one of these with rockets and guns for CAS missions. Armor the cockpit and vitals shroud the fan. You lose power autogyro to the ground.
The inherent need for gyros to remain in positive G conditions limits anything that might be called 'extreme aerobatics'. However the video does show some of the useful characteristics of gyros.
That inherent need might be a useful characteristic ... if you get sick easily in moving vehicles.
@Concerned Citizen What I meant is that I'm fairly certain negative Gs will have you hurling a lot sooner than positive ones.
I get sick even on a bus though so ...
@Swaggaerlot...blah, blah, blah.
th-cam.com/video/4jQe238K2es/w-d-xo.html now other than literally flying inverted, this is loops and rolls. Add to that the ability to turn literally on its axis no stall abililty to fly at extremely low airspeeds. Note most of us are no where near crazy enough to try anything like this but the machine is capable. Can a Pitts special or Extra turn in this radius and carry on its merry way afterwards? Yes they can go vertical and spin but they can't haul up to zero airspeed flat, turn in their own radius and continue on. Additionally this is a fairly common type but isn't special in being able to do these maneuvers. I've seen Bensen's do similar. So there is nothing special outside the massively powerful engine on this machine for its weight about 100hp 2 stroke. Quite light. But gyros because the rotors auto-govern rpm cannot overload the rotor like an aircraft can. Aircraft in aerobatic conditions can either enter high speed stall or simply add too much lift to the wing and rip themselves apart if G loads increase too much restricting most GA aircraft to moderate maneuvers.
Rotors in gyros are a) high wing loading but also b) don't take on angle of attack instantly. That is lets say I do a sudden pull up in an ultralight I could rip my wings off. In a gyro the angle of attack increases but because the blades individually are doing hundreds of miles and hour the angle even if 90 degrees on the disk is much lower this is why we can do vertical descents and not stall. But not only that as angle of attack increases it slows the rotor rpm at a certain point (drag relative to each rotor increases) this limits the total load they will stay at a certain rpm and not go beyond. This means the blades will cone but stay spinning and the machine will mush vertically gradually dissipating the lift. In effect this means you can dive at the ground and yank back as hard as you like and not overload the rotors or strain the airframe.
So yes there are several tricks gyros cannot do, they can't maintain negative g loads at all. But they can do many things and are more manouverable than even helicopters (which have significantly more work to do). They cannot literally hover or fly backwards unless it has a headwind. But I've maintained height at down to 12mph on a VW gyro - very heavy - I imagine this guy can do it down to 8mph with his 100hp and 30kg less engine weight. Remember other than the high power to weight of this machine all gyros can do this stuff. Most wouldn't be game but the machine is capable.
I'd be grateful if the original poster could share their definition of aerobatics. There's some fine handling on show here but nothing I'd describe as aerobatic (sideways flight in a gyro is pretty cool though and is something I've not seen before). Unless the aeros were edited out before posting, somehow?
Its not extreme aerobatics. Its extreme GYROCOPTER aerobatics. Yes, we all know airplanes and proper helicopters can pull much more extreme looking maneuvers. But a gyrocopter is a very different beast. A few of these maneuvers are definitely tickling the pucker factor if you're familiar with how gyros are typically handled.....
At 7:28 he does looping. The first I did see from a gyrocopter.
Look again, it wasn't a loop. They can't go upside down, well not and live to tell about it.
Un vídeo muy completo. Felicidades.
Would have been better if he shut down and autorotated w/smoke. To the ground as a finally. Showing the best aspect of this machine, its ability to to land safely. It would in prove sales, of the machine.
Lots of smoke bit I didn't see any aerobatics 😕
And a one trick pony.
Just don't ever get negative g's
How does it fly sideways? I thought the underlying principle that made them fly was that they are being propelled forward.
Once the rotors spin up from forward flight they have enough momentum to keep going for a while (autorotate.) It's like how a heli can glide for a bit with the engine turned off. It's a safety thing heli pilots learn in case of engine failure.
@@joshstarkey8883 Note quite. The difference between a helicopter is a gyroplane's rotor blades are always in autorotation mode since there is no direct drive powering them. This full-time autorotation means a gyroplane can never ever stall. Unlike a helicopter, the gyroplane's engine and propeller is merely providing thrust to push (or pull - if nose mounted engine) the aircraft through the air which forces the rotor blades to spin, like a child's pinwheel.
Note that both helicopters and gyroplanes will 'glide' without engine power, courtesy of BOTH gravity and altitude, but not far since there's an immense amount of drag trying to decelerate the spinning rotor blades. A steeper glide angle than a fixed wing airplane is required. I believe the glide angle is even steeper in the gyro since it doesn't have collective pitch. Even so, a gyro is easier to land without power since no collective is involved.
As an example, my Bensen B8M gyrocopter, that I used to fly in the early 1980s, required a 45 degree glide angle to keep the blades spinning fast enough to store the energy required to flare and touchdown softly at landing. The good news is it would touch down at about 10 mph forward speed so didn't need much of a clear area to land safely. :)
@@Jimbo-in-Thailand how much is a decent used gyroplane, like the style used in the bond film you only live twice? In us dollars
I imagine the fact the rotor disk can pivot dipping the back of the disk into the forward thrust blade's prop wash has something to do with it. I looks like it keeps its nose up canceling the forward motion, but providing enough wind through the top rotor to keep it spinning. Or at least slowing how much energy its losing
You are not literally flying sideways, you can maintain a hover above the ground in a 12mph headwind in many gyros (I have in my VW gyro). You have all the power and full back stick at this point. You then push in a little bank and the machine is crabbing say left but you hold in opposite rudder so the nose is pointing right or visa versa. Even on mostly calm days its not uncommon to have 8mph wind at these speeds so you appear to be flying sideways - well you are over the ground but relative to the air you are flying very slowly forward with a gentle bank and loads of opposite rudder. Rudders on pusher gyros are incredibly sensitive compared to fixed wings because they are about 1 or 2 feet behind the pusher prop. In this manouver you have full power or almost full power so masses of wind blowing over the rudder directly, add to that the rotor head is a giant ball bearing means there is no aerodynamic resistance to turning so a bit of deflected air has a massive effect. This is one reasons gyros can turn so tight.
That what you call aereobatics? I dont see nothing but fly in circle and some smoke .
Well said.
be fun to do this over the beach to make people think that you are crashing
what was extreme....anyone that flys gyros fly's this way
True I fly like that just no smoke
Aerobatics???
Trained as a helicopter pilot bjt, think will transition into gyrocopters. Much cheaper to operate.
I fly Gyrocopter too , i haven't seen any AEROBATICS in this video !
the pilot was cleaning the cockpit with BOTH hands while flying.
watch video again. :)
What if autogyros had collective and cyclic pitch controls like helicopters.. it seems like it would have better control.
Rodney dangerfield
They already have cyclic control, Eric. They've had cyclic since....forever. They have no collective, which they don't need. The exception being to perform a "jump" takeoff.
A good pilot can fly a auto gyro inverted.
No aerobatics here besides flying in circles. Gyroplanes are not made for that..... period.
Эффектно!
Cool!
.... True aerobatics and it will crash because you can't pull anything negative And then it goes down
This guy is living the dream, riding the ride...no doubt about it. Be happy for him you bunch of curmudgeons.
Jim Vanek makes this guy look boring. He does actual aerobatics.
This is scary to just watch ;) Very realistick rc as well! :D (Yeah.. I know it's a 1/1 ;))
I'd be interested to know how efficient these things fly :)
What?
bro... this is real xD
@@332FG-Pitman bro..... that's what I said xD
I should point out (even though your comment is 7 years old) that the 'RC' in the world of rotary winged aircraft refers to Rotor Control - not radio control, though this poster 'EssentialRC' is in fact a radio controlled model aircraft afficianado.
Rotor speed control is essential in rotary wing aircraft and these sort of manœuvres quickly load and unload the rotor with equally rapid changes in rotation speed which must be managed.
@@Tinker1950 thanks for the addition John :) I knew this isn't Radio Control, but my joke was probably lost in translation ;)
The Mar.lborough Mosquito :)
What's that smoke ??? Ah ok... smoke.
Smoke type smoke. Quite effective on this gyro. Cheers Dom (Essential RC)
Generally a diesel mix - or straight diesel? - is used, injected directly into the exhaust.
It is smoke from the bong.
I guess gyro planes can’t do much.
Its not extreme aerobatics. Its extreme GYROCOPTER aerobatics. lrn2fly
Gyrotastik
boring !
fake
Ma di estremo non vedo nulla .......