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  • @stuartmcconnachie
    @stuartmcconnachie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +170

    1:40 earning money, yeah right! The only people earning money are the fraudsters selling this wooo!
    4:14 NOT 25 hundred, 25 THOUSAND WATTS!

    • @EEVblog
      @EEVblog  5 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      Damn, it is 25 THOUSAND!

    • @electronash
      @electronash 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@EEVblog
      Gotta have that "digital german".

    • @JimBob1937
      @JimBob1937 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @blacknester , at a fixed mains voltage, your current is going to be huge... and melting, at 25,000 watts, especially given the small conductors in the device, they'd probably fail first and early on anyhow.

    • @bobroberts2371
      @bobroberts2371 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      How about a " Nola converter "? It was invented by Frank Nola at NASA in the late 70's This is technology that reduces voltage to a lightly loaded electric motor saving electricity. I haven't tested one but for a motor then needs constant speed but has a varying load, it seems like it would work. Devices such as an escalator, elevator , conveyor belt could benefit but constant load uses like an air compressor , fan would not. Another benefit of the controller is that is gives soft starts reducing shock loads.

    • @JimBob1937
      @JimBob1937 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@bobroberts2371, got a link to a "nola converter", my google'ing came up empty? Technically there is nothing stopping a motor from being load regulated. This is especially true where something like constant speed is required with varying loads, which is done all of the time in closed loop control systems.

  • @bigclivedotcom
    @bigclivedotcom 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    If you guys want to build your own the keywords for the miracle capacitor on eBay are 3uf fan capacitor. Target price around $2 each. Maybe add a couple of 470K resistors in series across it to avoid zings.

  • @johncundiss9098
    @johncundiss9098 5 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I went to the mass merchant and bought some spark plugs, save me 30 percent of gas. I bought some new special oil for the engine, save me 30 percent on gas. I got some new tires that give good life and save 20 percent of gas. I put a gasoline magnet on my fuel line to save me 30 percent of gas. I was driving around the other day and my gas tank overflowed.

    • @melkiorwiseman5234
      @melkiorwiseman5234 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      LOL. And to top it all off, that's not how percentages work! (But I'm guessing you already knew that, and that's part of the joke)

    • @johncundiss9098
      @johncundiss9098 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Robert Slackware Understand that yea. They no longer make solid wires for cars that are legal for road use due to EMI. Unfortunately I am a believer in at least trying to keep the radio waves fairly clear. Am a ham here, like to talk around the world now. Thanks for reply. Plus all cars now use COP's Coil Over Plug setups.

    • @bitelaserkhalif
      @bitelaserkhalif 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      *Oil barons hates him! Find out how he generates gasoline with one simple trick!*

    • @MrQmason
      @MrQmason 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is there really a way to save gasoline with a car/truck ?

    • @dragan3290
      @dragan3290 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrQmason you can go get it remapped ECU by a pro tuner. Otherwise maintenance; clean oil, air filter, injectors etc

  • @stonent
    @stonent 5 ปีที่แล้ว +322

    Big Clive determined that a hot dog has a power factor of 1.

    • @stevefriedl3983
      @stevefriedl3983 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      But most of us would have expected *Dave* to be the guy measuring his wiener on TH-cam, right?

    • @johnrobinson357
      @johnrobinson357 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yes you quite correct he just that. But this device does in fact have a purpose. It proves that you really can fool some of the people
      some of the time. It's purpose : it is a gullibility detector, seemingly, a pretty good one at that.

    • @uzaiyaro
      @uzaiyaro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Those canned hot dogs tho

    • @johnrobinson357
      @johnrobinson357 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@uzaiyaro Yeah, i cringed when i saw that. Wonder what the sell by date is on those gems of goodness ? 3/18/2025

    • @DrexProjects
      @DrexProjects 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@uzaiyaro Yeah right. I never seen canned dogs before that. Oh, them little Vienna cocktail wennies I guess.

  • @brandonupchurch7628
    @brandonupchurch7628 5 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    Only digital energy saver is a Kill-A-Watts meter use it on your biggest energy hogging devices and once you see how much power it actually uses you'll learn to turn it off when it's not in use.

    • @NiHaoMike64
      @NiHaoMike64 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Kill-A-Watt is a bit dated by now. There are quite a few power measuring smart plugs available, which allow better analysis for very dynamic loads.

    • @kenseastrand7428
      @kenseastrand7428 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      You are so right my friend. I have found that the water heater is the most "not thought of" power hog.

    • @mycosys
      @mycosys 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You could argue the Switchmode Power Supply is probably the most effective digital power saver, by going digital on power supplies we saved a LOT of power

    • @NiHaoMike64
      @NiHaoMike64 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mycosys Some power supplies use digital or digital enhanced PFC, which boosts efficiency at low load.

    • @mycosys
      @mycosys 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@NiHaoMike64 PFC doesnt boost efficiency, it corrects power factor. Did you not watch the vid? Correcting power factor can actually cost you more if you are charged for real power.

  • @andrewevanoff1192
    @andrewevanoff1192 5 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    I'm an industrial electrical engineer. Majority of manufacturing plants are paying their electrical bills in kWH, so power factor makes little difference on the electrical bill. We prefer to keep it above 0.8 or so. Poor power factor may overload the wiring if loaded heavily. We do use power factor correction capacitor banks on medium voltage (4,160V) motors only.
    Beware of "snake oil" salesmen who want to sell you a miracle device that will guarantee at least 20% power saving. Ask them to leave and to never come back! They will sell you a grossly overpriced surge surge protector that does nothing to reduce power consumption. I've seen industrial plants with $800 surge protectors installed at their main substation. They paid $25,000 for the device and were promised tremendous savings. Problem is that it's very hard to verify the savings due to large variations in production schedule and machine utilization. The salesman who sold them the miracle device, drove a brand new Mercedes. LOL.

    • @IkBenBenG
      @IkBenBenG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I'm also an engineer. To further clarify (to other readers): Even factories and such pay their power bill based on the amount of KWh, so real power, they consume. However when the power factor is too bad then an extra cost gets added to the power bill, based on the amount of VARh above the treshold. The treshold is usually about 0.9 and as long as the power factor is higher than that there is no extra cost, so most companies with big inductive loads will also use capacitors to improve their power factor. The reason why inductive loads are bad is because they cause a phase shift between the current and voltage. Capacitors also cause a phase shift, but in the opposite direction. To properly correct the power factor, these phase shifts have to be matched so they compensate eashother (or at least mostly, usually the capacitor is slightly smaller to cut costs since correcting the power factor above 0.9 yields no benefits). This gives these "power saving" devices even less credibility since they use a fixed capacitor which isn't matched to a certain appliance. BTW, a common price for having a bad power factor is here 1/5th the cost of a KWh, per VARh consumed beyond the 0.9 treshold, though that may vary based on region and supplier.
      Almost all home appliances do not resemble an inductive load at all, and so while they can have a bad power factor you'd need a more advanced filter than just a simple capacitor if you'd want to correct for that.

    • @sumilidero
      @sumilidero 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@IkBenBenG In my country, the limit is tan phi 0,4 which translates to cos phi about 0,92~ so all industrial places have to keep the power factor above 0,92. I believie its valid for whole european union. And there is amount of reactive power that you can draw and not pay for it, but if its exceeded you pay for additional reactive power, and there are separate fees when your power factor is lower for certain amount of time. For domestic use, they dont monitor your PF nor the amount of reactive power.

    • @IkBenBenG
      @IkBenBenG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sumilidero Yeah I just checked, you were right, it's 0.9 instead of 0.8. And indeed, that only applies to industrial electricity.

    • @andrewevanoff1192
      @andrewevanoff1192 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sumilidero To my best knowledge, power companies do Power Factor (COS Phi - as you call it) correction on their supply side but they may bring this to our attention if PF gets too low. Of course it may vary by municipality and power company's rules and procedures. They may also request that we don't start any major machinery during power peak hours. Either way, most industrial facilities get charged by Kilowatt-Hours, meaning that PF is somewhat irrelevant but again, it depends on local rules and regulations.

    • @sumilidero
      @sumilidero 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrewevanoff1192 Yes the main unit is MWh (megawatt-hours) and the measurement is done on the 15 kV side in transformer substation that is owned by factory or other industrial facility, but there are other charges in terms of reactive power as i mentioned before. Thats standard in europe and i believe in rest of the world to reduce as much as possible transfer of reactive power in transmision lines, therefore local compensation in every industrial facility is required and the condition is required to keep (here) PF above 0,92~ otherwise there are additional charges aside of the standard active power added to the bill

  • @abysspegasusgaming
    @abysspegasusgaming 5 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    At least hotdogs have a power factor of 1...

    • @franciscoaloureiro
      @franciscoaloureiro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Got the reference!

    • @0xbenedikt
      @0xbenedikt 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I just thought the same.
      Another bit is useless knowledge you will never forget XD

    • @michaelmoorrees3585
      @michaelmoorrees3585 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Been watching Bigclive ?
      th-cam.com/video/n2ZZbuOeNmw/w-d-xo.html
      Works on both 120V & 240V !

    • @NiHaoMike64
      @NiHaoMike64 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@franciscoaloureiro I'm surprised it has already turned into a meme.

    • @elfnetdesigns702
      @elfnetdesigns702 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      And Mr. Clive can pass 12 mA @ 230 VAC through his body

  • @PhilipLeitch
    @PhilipLeitch 5 ปีที่แล้ว +33

    DEFCON 5 = everything is fine, stand down.

  • @Jones12ax7
    @Jones12ax7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    I saved 10% on the energy of my electric shower with no device at all. Just cut my bath from 10 min to 9 min. Amazing!

    • @EEVblog
      @EEVblog  5 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      To Kickstarter!

    • @jon87386
      @jon87386 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Don't fall for this sham! Just stop showering and you'll cut your bath bill down to zero!

    • @Jones12ax7
      @Jones12ax7 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@jon87386 I cant still have a bath with bill down to zero. I just have to get rid of that small resistance inside of it! Spoiler alert: Tomorrow on Kick Starter: Electric shower with almost zero power consumption using a 100 MOhm resistance. How it works: Rising the resistance value the current is also reduced, so the power. That's Ohm's Law, no infringement of any Physical Law!!! It should work though.

    • @SeaJay_Oceans
      @SeaJay_Oceans 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bathe once a year whether you need to or not ! ;-P

    • @sparda9060
      @sparda9060 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I got one better for you, Just shower at your neighbor's house. No power used and you are still fresh and clean roflmao...

  • @emperorSbraz
    @emperorSbraz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    in italy you don't only get charged for pfc but also get fined if out of spec.
    legends say small factories just eat the fines as it's cheaper than upgrade the power banks. :D

  • @czarzenana5125
    @czarzenana5125 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Don't throw away the thing.
    You could still use the metal casing and other parts for other projects.

  • @ststele
    @ststele 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Digital wankery!! I literally LOL at this shit. I grew up as a conspiracy theory, hunt for free energy kid into my late 20s. Seeing guys like you and ElectroBOOM has done good things for me.

  • @williamsquires3070
    @williamsquires3070 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    At least it gives you a nice project box that has a hole pre-made in case you want your own project to have a display - oh, and save the line cord and the fuse holder! Plus they give you an AC voltmeter, to boot! Too bad there was no actual magic woo-woo inside... 😫

  • @ventusprime
    @ventusprime 5 ปีที่แล้ว +64

    It has a good metal box

    • @tubical71
      @tubical71 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And 25thousand watts...it´s gotta be good...!

    • @SeaJay_Oceans
      @SeaJay_Oceans 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Could you drill a few openings in it, file them down, and use it as a case for a Raspberry Pi 3 ?

    • @ventusprime
      @ventusprime 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@SeaJay_Oceans i was thinking the same thing

  • @Orbis92
    @Orbis92 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Still a better input protection than Weller....

  • @bdot02
    @bdot02 5 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    Throw a couple magnets in there... and baby, you got yourself a scamstarter going

    • @bobroberts2371
      @bobroberts2371 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The do make automotive fuel savers, look up Shenzhen Jinfeng Hongyuan Technology Co., Ltd. JF-001B -Automobile fuel economizer

    • @mattjmwmatt
      @mattjmwmatt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Haha! Genius! Sad thing is Kickstarter would probably give it a pass.

  • @Rob2
    @Rob2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Originally "power factor" just meant "cos phi", the cosine of the angle between voltage and current.
    Traditional inductive loads had a lower power factor and could be corrected by adding a capacitor.
    However, modern devices like your scope are not an "inductive load", the power factor is not low because of angle between voltage and current, but because of non-sinusoidal current. Mostly due to switch-mode power supply without active PFC.
    Unfortunately regulations on power metering not necessarily have been kept up-to-date w.r.t. this "new situation".
    Try to lookup the requirements of power meters in Australia, you may find that it says nothing about measuring power in the case of non-sinusoidal current. Here in Europe it doesn't. It only mentions "cos phi" and "taking effective value" without any specification on how that is to be done.
    So in theory a power meter could be measuring sqrt(2)*Ipeak to get Ieff and would still be compliant.
    And you as a customer would pay a lot more for the power consumption by such devices than for power dissipated in a resistive load.
    And when you think your bill is excessive, the company will offer you "calibration of the meter" (at your cost when it turns out to be correct), and they will measure it with a resistive load and maybe some capacitive and inductive component, it will come out correct, and you lose.
    In reality it often is not as dramatic as sqrt(2)*Ipeak, but it will do some form of RMS metering with a limited bandwidth.
    That can still indicate too high when your load has very spikey current. Which a modern electronic device can have.
    So you could actually "save power" (not really save power, but cut down on your electricity bill) when you filter the current to your devices in such a way that those current spikes are no longer present and the meter does not see them.
    A low-pass filter on the mains should do that. And in fact, such a lone capacitor would act as a low-pass filter, but not a very effective one.
    Likely more effective is a big tuned circuit at 50/60Hz. And of course you have to be careful not to incur a lot of losses in there, especially idle load. It could be more than what you save by the improved metering.

  • @pomodorino1766
    @pomodorino1766 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Just checked, in Italy you don't pay for reactive/capacitive power unless you have a contract for 16.5kw or more.
    In the UK only commercial activities are charged, EDF charges for reactive power only if it exceeds 33% of real kWh in the bill.

    • @pa4tim
      @pa4tim 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      as far as I know in my country you do not pay for reactive power (industrial users) but the electricity supplier can demand you to install PFC banks. About the PFC for things like the scope, I have a Tek DSO here for repair with a defective PFC IC. I think today many switching power supplies have active PFC.

  • @REALIVH
    @REALIVH 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    EEVblog can fix his PM300 display for his next repair video, properly the rubber connection or flat cable :)

  • @lolaa2200
    @lolaa2200 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    98kW on 240v is 408A !!!!
    I would love to see those tiny PCB traces with 408A flowing thru :-p
    Protective googles mandatory ;c)

    • @LifeOnHoth
      @LifeOnHoth 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      more like complete bomb squad gear :D

    • @SheikhN-bible-syndrome
      @SheikhN-bible-syndrome 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      LOL it'd be a solid brick of copper

  • @morgueaunne6552
    @morgueaunne6552 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Clearly, by the packaging alone, you can tell that this is a superior product.

  • @ELVTechnology
    @ELVTechnology 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Clearly not compliant with AU safety standards.
    Not earthed and even the instructions state not to touch the mains lead after unplugging it because it will hold a charge. Also no compliance markings.
    I am VERY surprised it has what looks to be a compliant mains lead though. Usually we just get the Chinese uninsulated ones. Or any other country plug and a deathdapter (bigclive reference).

  • @_paulgoldschmidt
    @_paulgoldschmidt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    Greetings from Germany guys (I totally renounce from this product :D)

    • @dashtesla
      @dashtesla 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They meant nazi germany XD

    • @gorillaau
      @gorillaau 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dashtesla Don't mention the war!

    • @CyberlightFG
      @CyberlightFG 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Moin!

    • @tubical71
      @tubical71 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CyberlightFG Guude.

    • @vincentrobinette1507
      @vincentrobinette1507 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I'm with you 100%. Giving your good name and reputation a "black eye", by promoting a hoax like this!❤

  • @zox012
    @zox012 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1st thing we learned in technical school .... "every conductive part of the case must be properly grounded"... even for a woo woo device no one should get shocked because of poor design ...

  • @muaries12
    @muaries12 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    That company moto: protect the planet by wasting resources...

    • @SeaJay_Oceans
      @SeaJay_Oceans 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe the Placebo effect can save the Planet ? :-)

  • @nevellgreenough404
    @nevellgreenough404 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These things do have some value if you are a ham radio operator or MW/SW radio listener. They do actually reduce the buzzies and birdies in your radios caused by the equally-cheezy switching wall-warts coming from C#1na. Shorten the line cord to a few inches for the best effect. Plug them in to the same outlets as your noisy wall warts. Dave: Checking these as line filters with one of your surge and conducted interference testers could be fun in more ways than one!

  • @therealjammit
    @therealjammit 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    15 bucks for a nice metal box and a half decent 3 digit meter.

  • @TMS5100
    @TMS5100 5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    "save up to 35%". "up to" includes 0.

    • @gordonlawrence4749
      @gordonlawrence4749 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But it will actually cost you more worst case to it can end up costing you 120% of your normal bill.

    • @moshly64
      @moshly64 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Should say +/- 35%

    • @czarzenana5125
      @czarzenana5125 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@moshly64
      Up to 35% also includes -35%

    • @SeaJay_Oceans
      @SeaJay_Oceans 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That is a Truthful statement. Misleading labeling, but 'honest' in the sense of zero being included in the set of integers.

    • @BantonOrg
      @BantonOrg 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      save + upto absolutely implies more than 0.

  • @Jokalido
    @Jokalido 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    neat case for projects at least

    • @simonhopkins3867
      @simonhopkins3867 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Ebay search... extruded aluminium enclosure.

    • @Roxor128
      @Roxor128 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@simonhopkins3867 - Keep in mind that sometimes it is actually cheaper to buy a crappy product for the parts than to just buy the parts themselves. Best to check if this is one such situation before going either way.

  • @alexatkin
    @alexatkin 5 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Duh it has an LED display and is DIGITAL, so it MUST be legit!

    • @SeaJay_Oceans
      @SeaJay_Oceans 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Well, apply some Star Trek technology, Reverse the Polarity ! X-D

  • @todesgeber
    @todesgeber 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    30 bucks for a project box...strip it, add custom PCB (with neat little LCD please), built in fuse holder,.....sooooo many uses for that bit of kit that don't actually involve using it for its intended purpose.

    • @Drew-Dastardly
      @Drew-Dastardly 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      $30 bucks is steep considering you can get a very similar extruded aluminium case from aliexpress for less than $4.50 delivered!
      www.aliexpress.com/item/Aluminum-Case-Box-For-Circuit-Board-Electrical-Connector-DIY-Shell-Shied-Enclosure-For-Electronic-Projecter-Power/32907882836.html

    • @therealjammit
      @therealjammit 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Drew-Dastardly Nice find.

  • @stephanesonneville
    @stephanesonneville 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    When it reads "german technology" and "protect the environment" on a package it's probably a scam !

    • @oskarGoesTubbe
      @oskarGoesTubbe 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      That avatar made me clean my screen. I think you have won the day, steph.

    • @MazeFrame
      @MazeFrame 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      True that.

    • @WillArtie
      @WillArtie 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Blast and damn your avatar

    • @tubical71
      @tubical71 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, we all know: all good electronics are made in japan....

    • @LifeOnHoth
      @LifeOnHoth 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hahahaha. That's a good one!

  • @Zodliness
    @Zodliness 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Chineseum manufactureres design the boxes long before designing the product! - If only some Landfillium worked just as described on it's packaging!

  • @edwardbyard6540
    @edwardbyard6540 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here in the UK some utilities are talking about billing for apparent power. New smart meters being rolled out across the UK can (I believe) track this. I think Big Clive mentioned this when he tore down a smart meter.

  • @deadfreightwest5956
    @deadfreightwest5956 5 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    1:23 - "new digital German technology" - So it's a sex toy of some sort. Brief, but efficient.

    • @lordmmx1303
      @lordmmx1303 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol

    • @beamfinder8336
      @beamfinder8336 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is a video of some sort of car voltage booster "with japanese technology".
      but maybe it's german technology, engineered by a big car manufacturer

    • @gordonlawrence4749
      @gordonlawrence4749 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Ah so Germans are digital? That could explain a lot.

    • @DerHeimatlose1
      @DerHeimatlose1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@beamfinder8336
      By a German car manufacturer ?!?
      If this is true it will produce a lot of very unhealthy smoke....

    • @beamfinder8336
      @beamfinder8336 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DerHeimatlose1 it's all about that "magic smoke" every expert is talking about.

  • @CaptainDangeax
    @CaptainDangeax 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    In France, for home appliances, it's the responsability of the maker to sell products with a power factor over 80%. For industrial, it's the consumer responsability to stay over 80%.

  • @martinda7446
    @martinda7446 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I think it's good value for the case and parts - they look OK quality. So my advice would be to dismantle and use the bits. Any ideas for a device you could make that was useful without adding to much extra? First add that essential earth connection though.

  • @philhealey449
    @philhealey449 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Without getting into nonsense, the fact is that:1)Reduction of " I squared R " losses make simple addition of capacitors of benefit near to inductive loads like fixed speed induction motors by reducing line current losses ,but will the extra terminal voltage mean the motor simply run slightly faster and do more work ? 2) If there is a KVA maximun demand charge tariff, improving power factor makes sense whether centrally or at the final point of energy use. 3) Anything claiming to improve power quality or harmonics is generally a scam, 4) inverter drives running induction motors generally operating at sub 95% of mains frequency will save energy and 5) fixed speed motor voltage controllers for generally cyclic load duty on mainly lightly loaded induction motors can make a significant % saving. 6)As an energy saving professional I can confirm there are no holes in the laws of physics to justify dodgy spurious energy saving gizzmos.

  • @peterzingler6221
    @peterzingler6221 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I mean for 10 bucks i would just buy it for the good usable case

    • @tubical71
      @tubical71 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      only if is this golden one...;)

    • @SeaJay_Oceans
      @SeaJay_Oceans 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      For $10 each, I'll buy 2 if the good usable cases are actually 14K Gold.

  • @amadeus484
    @amadeus484 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I looked up the website and found that device on there. It is proudly displayed with nine (Nine!) awards. The kicker? The first image has the tagline, in English: "Give you is not just the quality of the products, and surprises". Well, you would definitely get a surprise in your electrical bill if you have it plugged in.

  • @HashanGayasri
    @HashanGayasri 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You overlooked the importance of the voltage meter. It stabilizes voltage and saves electricity via the observer effect. /s

  • @xenonram
    @xenonram 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    They took the "no more double-spaces after a period" rule to the next level, and removed the single-space as well.

  • @DadoRAM
    @DadoRAM 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If over over correct your power factor you can realy save money becasue you "hide" some energy to your meter

  • @SoddingaboutSi
    @SoddingaboutSi 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Here in the UK , we had to add a PFC to our factory because of our poor power factor. We were being charged quite a premium until then.

  • @Narwaro
    @Narwaro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hi back to Australia from Germany! We sure have New german digital technology!

    • @QuantumFluxable
      @QuantumFluxable 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's not this though. Also hi from Germany.

    • @Narwaro
      @Narwaro 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@QuantumFluxable ;D

  • @dudev
    @dudev 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The box says, "Installation of the device would be at the power source near the apparatus in the circuit." That's like a waiter saying, "Your table would be at the food source near the apparatus in the circuit." In other words, next to the kitchen, where the waiters rush in and out. It's marketing BS.

  • @te0nani
    @te0nani 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I and my German fellows want to distance us from this device. We have nothing to do with this buggery!

  • @olafelsberry9271
    @olafelsberry9271 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So it takes electronic energy to save electronic energy??? Yes a load of BULLSHIT

  • @music99matt
    @music99matt 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    SAVING EXPERTS: *writes professional looking manual*
    EEVblog: cries of laughter while reading it hahahahhaa

  • @Herby-1620
    @Herby-1620 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    While not the "intended" purpose, the voltmeter does work (almost). Maybe it could be calibrated. I'm not holding my breath.

  • @davestech6357
    @davestech6357 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the USA they don't usually put the power factor cap in cfl lights. In other countries they are not allowed to sell them without the added cap. Over time they would save energy having them in.

  • @jakp8777
    @jakp8777 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Skip to 6:50 for the actual content and tear down.

  • @fivish
    @fivish 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    As an electrical and electronic engineer of 36 years with many years in R&D I am appalled that an engineer in China/Germany would consent to make this gubbins which is BS and has written up the item in BS Chinglish. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous and apparently lucrative thing.
    PS why even bother to have the expense of the capacitor and circuit elements when an empty box would 'work' just as well.

  • @LasseHuhtala
    @LasseHuhtala 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    But gasoline line magnets just have to work, right? Right?! :-)

    • @excavatoree
      @excavatoree 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That and the "Tornado" device.

    • @NiHaoMike64
      @NiHaoMike64 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@excavatoree I think that does actually work if the carburetor was poorly designed.

    • @gordonlawrence4749
      @gordonlawrence4749 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      They do actually work but not for the stated reason. IE tell someone they have one fitted (even if they have not) and it still works! It's a purely psychological effect whereby if someone thinks they have one fitted they subconsciously change their driving style to be more efficient. So if you fit one and don't tell the person it does diddly squat too.

  • @artursmihelsons415
    @artursmihelsons415 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Another one expensive aluminium case for DIY projects.. :D and there is extra bonus - LED display, fuse holder and spare fuse.. That's all for what this device is useful..
    Power cord, probably, is not even from copper.. Please, next time measure wire resistance! ;) There is scam "copper" wires in market which can cause fire hazards, because of big resistance..

    • @SeaJay_Oceans
      @SeaJay_Oceans 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nothing is more unsettling then smelling melting plastic coming from behind your Screen and PC . . . :-/

  • @FalkBay
    @FalkBay 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    In Spain there are 3 types of electric tariffs, in the small consumer tariff (up to 10KW) you don't pay for reactive power, so this kind of devices are completely useless.

  • @laharl2k
    @laharl2k 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Why throw it into the trash? Thats a nice voltimeter!

    • @HDXFH
      @HDXFH 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Laharl Krichevskoy and not saving the environment

  • @justsomedude4660
    @justsomedude4660 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    they can actualy save you money,
    but you will need a lot of them.
    Just plug them in all your outlets so you wont be able to plug in other devices and use power.

  • @GeorgeWMays
    @GeorgeWMays 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is a nice little project box. What does it cost? An old friend's uncle, a used car salesman, used to say, "there's nobody stupider than people."

  • @rdbanks2823
    @rdbanks2823 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’d be more worried about that live incoming floating free and touching the case...
    I guess you’d save money on your electric bill if you’re dead...
    Jesus that’s sketch - you’d fail first year power electronics with that design...

  • @jacobdykstra8499
    @jacobdykstra8499 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    No ground connection and they didn’t even bother to put a plastic barrier between the pcb and the metal case? Wow!

  • @deadfreightwest5956
    @deadfreightwest5956 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    3:35 - Depends on the polarity of your plug, shall we say?

  • @willyarma_uk
    @willyarma_uk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    This really angers me actually, conning bastards, potentialy dangerous too without the earth and that loose can.

    • @robertsmiczsmiczamplificat593
      @robertsmiczsmiczamplificat593 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Willyarma . Exactly!

    • @WillArtie
      @WillArtie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah i reckon that's the worst bit - wouldn't take too much to get that enclosure live - and no gnd so your safety switches have no chance to tell you something is up. Edit- how can these be sold? Is online shopping just a big loop-hole?

    • @gordonlawrence4749
      @gordonlawrence4749 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      In the UK all it would take is taking it to the ASA but as nobody has that has bought one they cant do anything as they are only allowed to work off complaints.

  • @DrakkarCalethiel
    @DrakkarCalethiel 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I thought for a second that Clive uploaded a new vid. :D

  • @Mr_Foresight
    @Mr_Foresight 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The CE mark implies the product has been tested to European standards and can be sold in any EU country. The Chinese have been consistently using this mark for years with no tesing or aproval.

  • @losttownstreet3409
    @losttownstreet3409 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    They don't even use a proper X-capacitor.
    Power companies install PFC for you on the pole or if you are very bad user in your home before the power meter (normaly at no extra cost).
    They keep track at the substation and hunt the source for bad power factor.

  • @heyarno
    @heyarno 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only application I could think of is for people who use a generator to drive power tools with it. But those tools often have a corrective capacitor built in already.

  • @shoppy00
    @shoppy00 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    In Europe the new meters measure active and reactive power but they are not yet mandatory in some countries.

  • @r2daw158
    @r2daw158 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    9:00 "Sanyo" capacitor... Oh wait, Sanyo capacitor dep. was sold to Panasonic about 10 years ago :)
    What-a-crap...
    "Test" it with Schaffner MIS HV pulses.

  • @mrkiky
    @mrkiky 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Step 1: Plug capacitor into your mains
    Step 2: ???
    Step 3: Profit!

  • @MrPaddy1000111
    @MrPaddy1000111 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's scary that they cut out the earth. Not just for the box but for whatever you have plugged into it! That could lead to someone getting a nasty shock if they used it on an earthed appliance!

  • @infiniteerror9085
    @infiniteerror9085 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What if you used a much bigger capacitor (and no indicator LED to save that 1 watt) on an resistive load (like a radiative electric heater) and your charged for real power (i.e., what most home consumers are charged, as opposed to reactive/apparent power charged to big industries), would you then save money on your electric bill? I would think it possible, but that's cheating the system. But if that were true, then these things would be hugh and all over the place, as there are crazy nuts that like to cheat the system, which means make others pay for you. I can understand charging industries for reactive power, since if they could lower their cost by lowering their PF, they would do it as a good capitalist would and should to increase profits, which is the only figure of merit a capitalist has (oh, by the way, I am not against capitalism, it just needs a few checks, like charging for apparent power).

  • @mcasualjacques
    @mcasualjacques 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    it's a quantum device, the power savings are actually exactly 50% in a parallel universe where Jessica Rabbit is Australia's PM.

  • @MD4564
    @MD4564 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    LOL the woowoo device just by default chews more power because it's a extra device with 7 segment display.
    PS.S. Dave, Instead of being wasteful by throwing it out, I would recycle components.

  • @heyarno
    @heyarno 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a German, I feel slandered by that product.

  • @dashcamandy2242
    @dashcamandy2242 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    *reads title* Oh, another capacitor and LED display in a box!
    OK, now I'll watch to see if I guessed correctly...
    Well, for your money, you get a halfway-decent case (with Torx screws!), a fuseholder (with extra fuses in the box), and an AC voltmeter. LOL

  • @vimicito
    @vimicito 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Depending on the cost, they may make for good hobby project enclosures though 🤔

  • @DougPowell01
    @DougPowell01 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think for 230V double insulate you want at least 5.5 mm clearance.

  • @sheadjohn
    @sheadjohn 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    what happens if you plug into a modified square wave inverter ???

    • @westelaudio943
      @westelaudio943 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Boom!

    • @sheadjohn
      @sheadjohn 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I actually would like to know. Will a smoothing capacitor help cheap dc to ac inverters?

    • @westelaudio943
      @westelaudio943 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sheadjohn
      everycircuit.com/circuit/5190036694499328

  • @rockyrivermushrooms529
    @rockyrivermushrooms529 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    these are for people who think electricity is magic.

  • @mbaker335
    @mbaker335 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I believe Spain currently charges for apparent power for domestic customers. The UK will probably follow sooner or later.

  • @FullOfFallaciesVideo
    @FullOfFallaciesVideo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That is IDENTICAL to the power supply for my elderly Mother's mobility chair device... IDENTICAL...!

  • @NETBotic
    @NETBotic 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do a video on why people insist on being gullible when it comes to shopping. Bonus points if you include why they get all mad when you tell them they're stupid.

  • @martijn3151
    @martijn3151 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Imagine all the waste that is produced to create and distribute this crap. Just to make a buck. That’s the truly sad part in all this.

  • @erikkovacs3097
    @erikkovacs3097 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most household loads with bad power factor nowadays neither inductive or capacitive in the traditional sense but non-linear from switch mode power supplies. Correcting that requires some fancy electronics.

  • @jonathanallen6702
    @jonathanallen6702 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    There are two types of power factor. The first is the one that most people know which is called the displacement power factor. This is due to cos(theta_v - theta_i) , I.e. the angle between the fundamental voltage and fundamental current. The second type of power factor is due to the harmonics being drawn from a switch mode device. This is called Distortion Factor and is given by (rms of fundamental current)/(total rms current). The total power factor is multiplying the displacement power factor with the distortion factor.
    This means that a switch mode component with a poor distortion factor will have a poor power factor regardless of if you connect an inductor or capacitor in parallel with the device. In fact, as Dave showed that putting the capacitor in parallel with the oscilloscope, the power factor decreased. Because the oscilloscope has a distortion factor and the capacitor added an extra displacement power factor on top of it.
    To improve the power factor of switch mode devices we would need to place a low pass filter in series with it so that it filters out the current harmonics that the switching process creates.

  • @leroyusa935
    @leroyusa935 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    When you removed that metal shield that covered the capacitor you let the "B.S. Magic" escape.
    You just voided the warranty and you no longer have a legal case for fraud against the manufacturer.

  • @TheRattleSnake3145
    @TheRattleSnake3145 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    New drinking game, take a shot every time he says woo woo.

  • @rizkyp
    @rizkyp 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    It is amazing how the marketing gimmick is more elaborate than the product itself.

  • @MrMegaPussyPlayer
    @MrMegaPussyPlayer 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:45 If corrects your power factor, it might not save energy, but depending on your utility, it could save you a looot of money. (if they charge for apparent power)

  • @Mr_Foresight
    @Mr_Foresight 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    The CE mark is a rip off of the European CE kite mark which means products are approved to be sold in the European Union. This is a counterfeit approval mark.

  • @scottfirman
    @scottfirman 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn it! I was going to sell them by the gross ton in California. I was going to get Acasio Cortez to pass a law stating EVERYONE has to buy one to save on power for the new green deal. I would make millions, then she would pass a law taking it away to give it all to the poor. I would then quit selling them because it didnt benifit me at all. The poor people would then be forced to get jobs and support themselves.

  • @Waccoon
    @Waccoon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Yay for "instant cpmpensation!"
    I'm half German, and I can assure you that's not German spelling.

  • @ctheroux
    @ctheroux 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In Canada, we turn off heating during winter to save power!

  • @sparda9060
    @sparda9060 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That shit is def a fire hazard.. OMFG.. full metal case without any kind of insulation to protect it from causing a fire lmao.... If a power surge happens that stupid thing would blow up and burn your house down.

  • @Soundfactory24
    @Soundfactory24 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I as a German ask myself all the time, what there as "German technology" is touted ...hmmmmm.. The missing earth conductor is certainly not ;-)

  • @peterc8204
    @peterc8204 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh well, you now have a nice looking box with a window to put a project in for only 30 dollar, LOL

  • @andrewmurphy8724
    @andrewmurphy8724 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This thing sounds more like a surge suppressor or a line conditioner, of which neither actually save you money, but they do actually do what they say.

  • @Eo_Tunun
    @Eo_Tunun 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Correct name would be the Woo-Fing Ogniter, for it's a woo-woo thing that will occasionally ignite your house.

  • @sovietrepublic38
    @sovietrepublic38 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The isolation between neutral and live on the circuit board is really bad, too. Ineffective and even dangerous device.