Keep in mind that "waste water" just means any water that has been used for any purpose whatsoever and then discarded, without to regard to whether it contains any significant level of harmful contaminants. If you use a garden hose to rinse off your sidewalk, that water becomes "waste water."
@@johnmoruzzi7236 It could include anything from an industry building... like the toilets and employee showers. Unless there are separate systems for various areas (like in watercraft, there is greywater & blackwater) discharge is an issue.
Sierra Space acquiring ULA is probably a better outcome than any alternatives. BO acquisition would only mean the loss of one competitor. This strengthens the two companies. ULA provides existing launch vehicles (although I do not doubt that Sierra Space would want to develop a reusable vehicle for Dreamchaser). Any alternative buyer, I feel, would be worse.
I prefer to be able to continue to listen to the talking during the blurry part of the Blue Origin factory tour than to it being cut out completely (Tim also made a text hint iirc). And I really like the outlook that Sierre Space might be purchasing ULA. Thanks for the news!
The interview with Blue Origin only blurred out the interior of the stage with the actuators of the fins, just this, all the rest were filmed and shown. No need to hype AA.
Bald headed guy is an ass. I've dealt with people like him before. Don't say he's worth so much money, he got lucky. Still an ass. He is not a visionary, he simply a "me too" guy.
It seems to me it was probably an ITAR issue identified in post production that caused the interior of the rocket to be blurred not some nefarious blue origin action. I don’t think any of Tim’s other tours included that level of detail on flight computers and other internals of flight jardware
I watched the full hour-long interview. You make it sound like they blurred everything. They toured the entire facility and blocked nothing expect ONE section INSIDE of the rocket. I was actually blown away with how much they showed. Don't try and spin it into something it's not.
I do agree, a liiiittle overly dramatic this time. I hate bezos and Sue Origin but I could see bezos just saying “I’ll walk us wherever around the facility and just have the security team tell you what you blur after” who’s gonna tell their boss no? Jeff sucks, they also could’ve at least not blurred out the everyday astronaut too, but oh well. Just glad to have another addition to the private space industry so the competition keeps everyone ahead of China. That’s the main focus.
I'm not sure your take on the blue blur was on point. I love to hate on blue, but they revealed a huge amount during the tour and they're often ITAR restrictions to consider too not to mention it's fair to keep some secrets.
@@ReiseLukas they are. Notably Tim wasn't crawling through the guts of any starships. IDK if it was ITAR or not. Either way it wasn't ridiculous given where they were.
I don’t think it’s really fair to compare the BO and SpaceX tours because we don’t know what happened at SpaceX, or at BO for that matter. It’s entirely possible that there were entire scenes that Tim Dodd filmed, of similar length to the BO blurred scenes, where it was noticed afterwards that there was some ITAR stuff in shot and SpaceX insisted on cutting that whole section out of the interview entirely whereas BO allowed the dialogue/discussion to remain in the final edit as long as the visuals were blurred. Or maybe SpaceX wouldn’t let Tim go anywhere near anything ITAR related whereas BO did on the basis it could be blurred out in post production. As I said, we just don’t know the details, but it is actually possible that BO was more open than SpaceX when it came to confidential stuff.
If ULA was a good deal someone would have bought it already. There’s too much baggage unless they buying it for the intellectual property Rights. Currently there is no competition for SpaceX.
I was so disappointed when Sierra (Nevada) was down selected on Commercial transportation look what happened with Boeing I guarantee Sierra’s passenger plane would’ve been flying a year ago @TheAngryAstronaut
The blurring out wasn't Blue Origin's choice. I also work in the aerospace industry and can tell you ITAR regulations are no joke. There are criminal penalties for violating those. So basically Blue Origin was willing to show more than they were allowed to. Any video like that is going to have to go through a review to make sure it is compliant, and it seems their eagerness to share got checked at that stage, but they didn't want to throw it out so did what they could to make it usable. So, I really don't take the criticism you level against them very seriously since my take on it is completely opposite of yours.
@@DavidKnowles0 That is quite possible. However, I still interpret it totally differently than AA, since he mentions Sierra Space didn't even let him go into the restricted regions, and just gave him some photos he could use. To the underlying point of openness, this seems very open to me. They even let the crew go into this area even though it turned out they couldn't use all of it after, which is more than Sierra allowed. In the end, I think some people just like to hate on BO, but this really isn't anything worth a mention at all.
Same as people that just like to hate SpaceX, based on juvenile emotion. Odd that Tim was also blurred out though. What explination for that? @mrmadmaxalot
@@JB-kk4pv Rushed or possibly just poor editing would be my guess. His crew usually keeps the camera super focused on the person they are interviewing (to the point that it annoys me sometimes because they will be videoing the person while the person is literally pointing at something and explaining it. I'd like to see the something being pointed at, thanks! But I digress. haha). I guess Jeff was considered the focus and was given more priority, even if BO was the one that did the editing. I actually wonder if this is an AI algo? But I don't know enough about video AI to say.
Now that would seem to be a very good match for Sierra Nevada to purchase ULA, and would bump up Sierra Nevada to be a lot more competetive ! But altho' Dream Chaser is great concept, etc it is a long way off before Dream Chaser carries a Crew ! Wish them well !
Perfect lifeboat! Small and light enough to travel on a wide range of lifters with room to spare. The Soyuz is 1950’s tech and degrade over time attached to a space station. Given time, all large interplanetary space ships will have a dream chaser (life boat) or two attached to their craft.
I think it's possible that the government required the blurring of details that could be used for missile technology by adversaries (I've forgotten the name of the program that oversees it).
@@snakevenom4954 - ULA already exist as a launcher and those other companies have financially viable futures. Nothing changes if Sierra have their own launcher - those other rockets couldn't have launched Dreamchaser anyway and ULA's rockets are too big (and non-reusable) to win in the niches that Rocket Lab and the others currently aim for.
I hope Sierra Space gets ULA... then the Dream Chaser will be a same-supplier system. If SpaceX can do it with Dragon and their capsule, why can't Sierra/ULA?
@@dougdirac it's worth it though, they would be remembered as the company that bought the lockheed-boeing joint venture, in congress this is invaluable
I suspect blurred the tour inside the top of the booster for itar reasons. Every one of these tours that Tim does are probably combed through by the government with excruciating attention to detail. There’s a reason the tour was filmed in may and released mid August.
great Video ! The unification of Sierra Space and ULA could be the biggest deal in the Solar System ! The Biggest gem of the deal is Tory Bruno ! The best location of the Sierra Space space station is in a low inclination LEO CSS near the Fuel Depot and heading East from the KSC ! tjl
Wow...I was mesmerized by the "high speed" video they supplied to you and your commentary was outstanding....I completely agree with your "match made in heaven" comment....surely that would be...thanks "AA" for your tremendous work.......R
Holy crap. Significant.!.? So excited to hear this. Props to Tim, but it kind of lacked substanece. I do Credit Jeff for all but coming right out and asking Tim to visit the Alabama engine sight. Anywayyyyy, Sierra Space, Tenacity, ULA.....Woop woop
Good update, I applaud the idea. Siera could really make a move into the whole space service supplier market. IF they have the management experience and financial pockets to do so.
Holy cow! That's the top news of the YEAR so far. This could have gone so wrong, and somehow the right companies ended up together. Blue Origin doesn't go with ANYTHING. Wonder what happens with Tory Bruno?
I agree with you on the Bezos tour. Lots of nice clean warehouse space, but I didn't see much of anything that's going to get off the ground anytime some
Very smart move for both companies, though I do feel dream chaser needs to at least get a cargo mission going. It seems like it has been quite a long time and still not much to show for it. It is good to see a company using these next generation of heavy lift rockets in other ways. A space tug is what SpaceX should have done with a second stage on top of the booster while they worked on starship. That being done they could have at least held contracts for the ship to start bringing in a flow of cash. Also could have used it to test 'tankers' and refueling in orbit. The longer this all goes, the more starship seems to be holding them back. Great coverage as always and fingers crossed all these companies achieve the goals we all want to see.
The writing is on the wall for Boeing. Selling their interest in ULA will recoup some of their losses over Starliner, which means its looking great for Sierra Space that they soon will be able to do what Starliner was supposed to do and be another option to transfer our astronauts to space.
How can Sierra afford a few billion $ to buy ULA, and then immediately have the cash flow for operations and payroll? Even if ULA sold it for $1 and took a tax write-off, there are tremendous costs moving forward. And if ULA is so desperate to sell itself, it must be losing money hand over fist. How can Sierra fix the entire business model and get to some kind of profitability?
"comical and insulting" seems like quite the over reaction. They blurred one segment of an hour+ tour. They could have just told Tim to cut the whole segment and we'd have never known.
This is a dream merger if it goes through. Holy cow! Sierra Space and ULA combined? Yikes! Elon. You'd better get on your toes if this deal happens. 'Cause you could be about to get some real competition.
I don't think the blue origin video was censored, as much as the people filming it used specific focal lengths that blurred everything in the background when focusing on a foreground subject. You can see it's not censored when they focus on the background from time to time. So it was really just an unfortunate camera fluke imo. I'm sure there were parts that were deliberately censored, but most of the blurring you see is just a byproduct of the camera lens they're using.
The interior of the booster was blurred for ITAR reasons. They clearly state that in the video. Everything else was not effected. I was surprised at how much they did show. It was a great interview. As an FYI I am not a BO fan. Still a good interview.
Longer term the winners in the space flight game will be the ones that optimize reuseabilty IMO. It’s basic economics - if a given craft and engines can be reused many times the cost per flight dramatically drops. A key factor in this effort as well IMO is the durability of re-entry shielding. If the shielding requires extensive and expensive refurbishment every flight the cadence of reuse is significantly lowered and the cost per flight rises.
I am sure that Tim knew exactly what was going to be blurred out before he entered the building. He chose to do the tour interview under those conditions.
Its called commercial confidentiality. Its called ITAR restrictions. I could see ULA being bought by BO, not because of removing a competiror but because you can easily offer a launch size for a decent amount with V-C than rely on New Glenn with a multi-load 'super load'... Common 1st stage engines...
SS buying ULA would be great in every way in the short to medium term and longer term great for almost everyone but I have one concern for the longer term and that is related to the SS’s technology that I’m most excited about - the LIFE habitats. Based on SS’s LIFE roadmap LIFE 550 will be very exciting - over half of ISS’s pressurised volume in one go - but to get to the crazy exciting stuff beyond that needs a 7m and then a 9m fairing so right now that’s New Glenn and Starship respectively. I worry that SS being in competition with those companies as a launch provider might make partnership opportunities more awkward and make it slower and more difficult for SS to progress beyond LIFE 550 on its roadmap. I hope I’m wrong there because that is my only concern.
A problem so far was BO getting enough BE-4 motors to get Valcan off the ground. Is BO going to get production increased enough to fly Valcan at the rate that someone like Sierra Space will want to be flying? BO hadn't been all that good at making schedules so far.
Now this is news indeed. The Polaris mission, the Bezos tour, Flight 5, and a few others, but this one has me sitting up straight. Sierra has technology niches nobody else has and ILA has a solid lifting vehicle with a good track record. This feels more like the expansion of the Shuttle and Space Station rather than a completely new endeavor like SpaceX. If this does happen Sierra could possibly become a foundational provider for orbital and lunar expansion. Slow and steady wins the race, as the saying goes. Sorry, had to edit to add this. They could replace the ISS with a constellation of smaller Stations given their current projects. This is really exciting to think about.
I sure hope so. Jeff Bozos' Blue Balls Origin also previously bid on ULA. I sure hope THEY don't get them. But we'll just have to wait and see what happens. Lockheed and Boeing never really wanted to create ULA between them but were forced to by the government back in the 1990s. Since then, neither really wanted to invest in it after the Atlas 5 and Delta II, and Delta 4 were designed and fielded. That's one reason they were late competing with SpaceX. A nimbler company unfettered by having to please two large, disinterested companies' boards might have done better. I hope they will survive and thrive. Sierra Aerospace would push for Vulcan to become reuseable far quicker to make taking up their Dream Chaser vehicle more competitive with Dragon. Blue Balls Origin would likely kill Vulcan so it won't compete with their New Glenn launcher. That was always a weird thing I thought for ULA to buy engines from Blue Balls in the first place, they should have stayed with Aerojet Rocketdyne and asked them to build some Methane/LOX engines.
Aerojet rocketdyne is way too expensive for 1st stage engines. Also they're slower than the sls. The problems at boeing / Lockheed are also at aerojet rocketdyne.
@@rosswarren436 unrivaled success creates stagnation, much of why we lost the ability to go to the moon. Lockheed and boeing used to compete with each other and one of them stole plans from the other one and then ula was forced upon them and then stagnation began in the 2000s. Vulcan only exists because of space x.
@@Smiles10130 true, but regarding the moon, Saturn V production was capped at 15 of them by the U.S. Congress and the Nixon administration. The cost of Vietnam and all the money promised by politicians for "social spending" did it in. We flew 13 of them while cancelling lunar flights for Apollo 18 through 20. Once the production lines were shutdown, people with the expertise in construction laid off, and the tooling sold for scrap it became part of history, to never be again. ULA might have fielded something like Vulcan quicker in response to SpaceX showing that reuse could be economically and engineeringly viable, but the boards of Boeing and Lockheed weren't interested in spending any money for such a thing, at least not until forced to by the U.S. government, which didn't want to be dependent on Russian engines anymore.
@@rosswarren436 agreed. You have to see the remaining Saturn v's if you haven't already. There was no more competition because the soviets were never able to develop a super heavy lift vehicle. If the soviets got there right before or after, we could've had a race for Mars or a near earth asteroid. ULA was an arranged marriage. That to be honest I have no idea how the corporate structure works, 2 parents and then a company structure. If there was no space x, then maybe Ariane 6 might have pushed them to make a vulcan equivalent, but they got 1 billion for just existing before. They were smart to buy all the Russian engines before the ban went into affect. Competition breeds excellence and no competition creates stagnation is all I'm saying.
Your Sierra Space visit was one of your best videos. As to SS purchasing ULA, its a good idea but not great one. ULA is really a legacy rocket company. SS is a next gen company. Maybe a good short term plan but Sierra Space would have they work cut out for them to make the ULA products reusable. Not an easy task with a rocket that has only 2 engines. But with the falcons, starship, new glenn and rocket lab all in the hunt, I dont know how big their potential market share is.
I assume there wouldn't be fairings with a crewed version, accepting lower performance for increased safety. Still would be much better with it being on top vs on the side.
Assuming the acquisition goes through, once they run out of Atlas rockets, they'll be left with Vulcan Centaur. The problem with that is that it is doubtful that Blue Origin will be able to produce BE4s at any scale other than at a snail's pace, and even then prioritizing Glenn (I refuse to call it 'New'). They need to ring up SpaceX and try to buy Raptor 3s as they are now more powerful, lighter and are being mass produced.
In the tour with Tim, Bezos said from next year they'd be able to produce an engine every 3 days. The 2 engines used for Vulcan (which are also intended to be reused), should be nothing then. He also mentioned improved power output, but I don't remember how much. If it is higher than on wikipedia now, it could be similar to raptor 3. Raptor 3 likely is still a better engine, but we know too little about the latest BE-4's performance/stats to say how much. Also SpaceX needs a a lot more Raptors than BO (7 vs 33 engines), so if BO indeed can get it to 1 every 3 days vs SpaceX 1 every day, BO might have more supply for ULA than SpaceX.
@@MDP1702 'New' Glenn has been in development since 2013 and still hasn't flown a single time. Blue Origin's history has been a cavalcade of delays and slowness. ULA made the mistake of counting on BO and are now failing because the BE4 has taken so long to develop and produce. What more evidence do you need?
Lol, all I noticed during the tour ilof Blue Origin was that employees had their hands in their pockets. F*ck the janitors where more busy than Technicians
Angry - I think you have the potential to get to 350k subs, probably more, if you substantially increased your production values - better cameras and cinematography, creative editing and text integration, much better sound particularly in the field but also in the studio, a simple set or a very clean graphics integration for talking head shots (like Anton Petrov’s). You’ve nailed the scripting and narration and certainly the research aspects. Unfortunately it seems to go the limit creators need to have cutting edge production values.
I was so surprised that BO actually gave a tour to Tim Dodd, of all TH-camrs they could invite! I was wondering if, after pretending that SpaceX doesn't exist for so long that Jeff actually brainwashed himself to really believe it to be true. Until I realized that Moon on Starship thing has been cancelled.
Why buy an old technology rocket that is dependent on 3rd-party engines from a non-competitive company. Innovation and reusability are the future. How can a mini shuttle be associated with this? Existing Contracts? Politics? Am I missing something?
We do not know yet what is going to happen after this Starliner capsule comes back to Earth. We know Boeing will most likely try building the next one with new and improved helium tank seals and thrusters. They will have an accurate account of the problem. Every spacecraft that ever launched had their own set of issues. How many times did SpaceX blow up or crash something before humans were allowed to go up in Dragon. It took a few years after Falcon + Dragon's first launch.
just a Large FYI the part about the blurring that you found so insulting has nothing directly to do with BO, it was the same with parts of the SpaceX factory, since these for the US are "ballistic weapons designs" the video has to be approved by government which requires certain parts to be blurred, Steve even explained this in the last Elon tour
People keep talking like this is a sport.. when we use words like competitive.. this isn't a competition. It's supposed to be a joint collaboration between agencies and NASA. Let's not forget who signed NASA's contract and who gave em $$$..We not supposed to be against each other... We supposed to be against other countries.. yet somehow ppl see this as a sport.. neither blue origin or any rocket agency can catch up with SpaceX because of their successful launches minus a couple of flaws..
Keep in mind that "waste water" just means any water that has been used for any purpose whatsoever and then discarded, without to regard to whether it contains any significant level of harmful contaminants. If you use a garden hose to rinse off your sidewalk, that water becomes "waste water."
“Industrial wastewater”… well technically yes but is runoff from roofs and carparks really any different ?
@@johnmoruzzi7236 It could include anything from an industry building... like the toilets and employee showers. Unless there are separate systems for various areas (like in watercraft, there is greywater & blackwater) discharge is an issue.
From what I was told it was just a misplaced decimal point on a repeating regulation report form, a typo, and nothing more.
Sierra Space acquiring ULA is probably a better outcome than any alternatives. BO acquisition would only mean the loss of one competitor. This strengthens the two companies. ULA provides existing launch vehicles (although I do not doubt that Sierra Space would want to develop a reusable vehicle for Dreamchaser). Any alternative buyer, I feel, would be worse.
I prefer to be able to continue to listen to the talking during the blurry part of the Blue Origin factory tour than to it being cut out completely (Tim also made a text hint iirc).
And I really like the outlook that Sierre Space might be purchasing ULA. Thanks for the news!
Sierra Space may be agressive enough to compete with SpaceX. From this perspective, its best news, if they buy ULA.
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Lets hope that Bezos doesn't throw money to prevent this deal. He would take over ULA only to dismiss a competitor.
Blurring out is WAY BETTER than not giving a tour in these areas.
The blurring is NOT an issue.
The interview with Blue Origin only blurred out the interior of the stage with the actuators of the fins, just this, all the rest were filmed and shown.
No need to hype AA.
Bald headed guy is an ass. I've dealt with people like him before. Don't say he's worth so much money, he got lucky. Still an ass. He is not a visionary, he simply a "me too" guy.
That would be a great acquisition for Sierra Space.
It seems to me it was probably an ITAR issue identified in post production that caused the interior of the rocket to be blurred not some nefarious blue origin action. I don’t think any of Tim’s other tours included that level of detail on flight computers and other internals of flight jardware
I believe, that part contained too much of BO's innovations. As no other company uses this exact solution.
Still a dick move to blurr Tim as well.
@@galaxya40s95 Tim wasn't blurred the whole time.
@@LG-ct8tw Good point, but still...
And they still haven't flown anything of not.
I would not put much faith in anything said by *CNBC.*
Elephant in the room : Spaceplanes are cooler than capsules
Totally. It's more spaceship than all the other 'spaceships' 😎(in spite of not being a spaceship)😁
I watched the full hour-long interview. You make it sound like they blurred everything. They toured the entire facility and blocked nothing expect ONE section INSIDE of the rocket. I was actually blown away with how much they showed. Don't try and spin it into something it's not.
This is Angry, what did you expect?
I do agree, a liiiittle overly dramatic this time. I hate bezos and Sue Origin but I could see bezos just saying “I’ll walk us wherever around the facility and just have the security team tell you what you blur after” who’s gonna tell their boss no?
Jeff sucks, they also could’ve at least not blurred out the everyday astronaut too, but oh well. Just glad to have another addition to the private space industry so the competition keeps everyone ahead of China. That’s the main focus.
Lmao, tell me you cuck for Besos without telling us. That interview was trash.
Besos isn't going to let you blow him. No matter how sexy you think his small T shirts are.
😂😂😂😂 😊@@solarissv777
I would so much rather have sierra acquire ULA than BO. SO MUCH. Sierra is doing some really incredible things.
I'm not sure your take on the blue blur was on point. I love to hate on blue, but they revealed a huge amount during the tour and they're often ITAR restrictions to consider too not to mention it's fair to keep some secrets.
Why Isn't SpaceX bound by those ITAR restrictions?
@@ReiseLukasthey are
@@ReiseLukas they are. Notably Tim wasn't crawling through the guts of any starships. IDK if it was ITAR or not. Either way it wasn't ridiculous given where they were.
I don’t think it’s really fair to compare the BO and SpaceX tours because we don’t know what happened at SpaceX, or at BO for that matter.
It’s entirely possible that there were entire scenes that Tim Dodd filmed, of similar length to the BO blurred scenes, where it was noticed afterwards that there was some ITAR stuff in shot and SpaceX insisted on cutting that whole section out of the interview entirely whereas BO allowed the dialogue/discussion to remain in the final edit as long as the visuals were blurred. Or maybe SpaceX wouldn’t let Tim go anywhere near anything ITAR related whereas BO did on the basis it could be blurred out in post production.
As I said, we just don’t know the details, but it is actually possible that BO was more open than SpaceX when it came to confidential stuff.
If ULA was a good deal someone would have bought it already. There’s too much baggage unless they buying it for the intellectual property
Rights. Currently there is no competition for SpaceX.
I was so disappointed when Sierra (Nevada) was down selected on Commercial transportation look what happened with Boeing I guarantee Sierra’s passenger plane would’ve been flying a year ago @TheAngryAstronaut
It's still not ready and it's not human rated, which would've taken longer.
The blurring out wasn't Blue Origin's choice. I also work in the aerospace industry and can tell you ITAR regulations are no joke. There are criminal penalties for violating those. So basically Blue Origin was willing to show more than they were allowed to. Any video like that is going to have to go through a review to make sure it is compliant, and it seems their eagerness to share got checked at that stage, but they didn't want to throw it out so did what they could to make it usable. So, I really don't take the criticism you level against them very seriously since my take on it is completely opposite of yours.
Given how much footage we of Space X Vehicles and how close people can get to them at starport, I find it difficult to believe its ITAR.
@@DavidKnowles0 That is quite possible. However, I still interpret it totally differently than AA, since he mentions Sierra Space didn't even let him go into the restricted regions, and just gave him some photos he could use. To the underlying point of openness, this seems very open to me. They even let the crew go into this area even though it turned out they couldn't use all of it after, which is more than Sierra allowed. In the end, I think some people just like to hate on BO, but this really isn't anything worth a mention at all.
Same as people that just like to hate SpaceX, based on juvenile emotion. Odd that Tim was also blurred out though. What explination for that? @mrmadmaxalot
@@JB-kk4pv Rushed or possibly just poor editing would be my guess. His crew usually keeps the camera super focused on the person they are interviewing (to the point that it annoys me sometimes because they will be videoing the person while the person is literally pointing at something and explaining it. I'd like to see the something being pointed at, thanks! But I digress. haha). I guess Jeff was considered the focus and was given more priority, even if BO was the one that did the editing. I actually wonder if this is an AI algo? But I don't know enough about video AI to say.
Now that would seem to be a very good match for Sierra Nevada to purchase ULA, and would bump up Sierra Nevada to be a lot more competetive ! But altho' Dream Chaser is great concept, etc it is a long way off before Dream Chaser carries a Crew ! Wish them well !
Perfect lifeboat! Small and light enough to travel on a wide range of lifters with room to spare. The Soyuz is 1950’s tech and degrade over time attached to a space station. Given time, all large interplanetary space ships will have a dream chaser (life boat) or two attached to their craft.
Glorified X37B .
It’s ITAR restrictions is why is was blurred out. Happened at last Elon tour he did too
It makes sense. ULA is from a different era when people shook hands behind closed doors and when competition was just about who got to the buffet 1st.
I think it's possible that the government required the blurring of details that could be used for missile technology by adversaries (I've forgotten the name of the program that oversees it).
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@@EMichaelBall That's it! Thanks
That merger does indeed seem something to hope for. Healthy competition is what drives innovation.
It's not healthy competition. Yes it competes with SpaceX, but it screws over Rocket Labs, Stoke, Relativity, Firefly space, etc.
@@snakevenom4954 - ULA already exist as a launcher and those other companies have financially viable futures. Nothing changes if Sierra have their own launcher - those other rockets couldn't have launched Dreamchaser anyway and ULA's rockets are too big (and non-reusable) to win in the niches that Rocket Lab and the others currently aim for.
I hope Sierra Space gets ULA... then the Dream Chaser will be a same-supplier system. If SpaceX can do it with Dragon and their capsule, why can't Sierra/ULA?
@@snakevenom4954 How does it screw over those companies, okay Rocket Labs I get, but the rest?
@@snakevenom4954 How does it screw them over?
The Starliner Live Cam was hilarious.
SLA=Sierra launch alliance
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I would just call it Sierra Space. ULA isn’t a name worth keeping.
@@dougdirac it's worth it though, they would be remembered as the company that bought the lockheed-boeing joint venture, in congress this is invaluable
This name pleases me
It'll be a single company - how is that an 'alliance'?
I suspect blurred the tour inside the top of the booster for itar reasons. Every one of these tours that Tim does are probably combed through by the government with excruciating attention to detail. There’s a reason the tour was filmed in may and released mid August.
great Video ! The unification of Sierra Space and ULA could be the biggest deal in the Solar System ! The Biggest gem of the deal is Tory Bruno ! The best location of the Sierra Space space station is in a low inclination LEO CSS near the Fuel Depot and heading East from the KSC ! tjl
0:04 Safety regulations 3:44 At least we get to see Geoff's guns LOL
Sierra Space is going to have to raise a boatload of cash to acquire ULA. I really hope they're successful!
Wow...I was mesmerized by the "high speed" video they supplied to you and your commentary was outstanding....I completely agree with your "match made in heaven" comment....surely that would be...thanks "AA" for your tremendous work.......R
S pace x Will allways win the race...😂
Holy crap. Significant.!.? So excited to hear this. Props to Tim, but it kind of lacked substanece. I do Credit Jeff for all but coming right out and asking Tim to visit the Alabama engine sight. Anywayyyyy, Sierra Space, Tenacity, ULA.....Woop woop
Tim’s Tour of ULA was equally censored. B.O. opted for blurry footage and ULA opted to not allow censored footage. Same for SpaceX.
Everyday Astronauts video on Blue Origin is up there.
Good update, I applaud the idea. Siera could really make a move into the whole space service supplier market. IF they have the management experience and financial pockets to do so.
Please be true, Please be true, Please be true!
Holy cow! That's the top news of the YEAR so far. This could have gone so wrong, and somehow the right companies ended up together. Blue Origin doesn't go with ANYTHING.
Wonder what happens with Tory Bruno?
Okay, yes I think Sierra Space buying ULA is a great Idea. However, the Vulcan rocket is not reusable. This is something that needs to be addressed.
DID I SAY how freakin exciting this news is.!!!
WOW Sierra went above and beyond with getting you footage.! THAT is fukking impressive.
This could be great news!
Go DreamChaser!!!
I agree with you on the Bezos tour. Lots of nice clean warehouse space, but I didn't see much of anything that's going to get off the ground anytime some
Very smart move for both companies, though I do feel dream chaser needs to at least get a cargo mission going. It seems like it has been quite a long time and still not much to show for it.
It is good to see a company using these next generation of heavy lift rockets in other ways. A space tug is what SpaceX should have done with a second stage on top of the booster while they worked on starship. That being done they could have at least held contracts for the ship to start bringing in a flow of cash. Also could have used it to test 'tankers' and refueling in orbit. The longer this all goes, the more starship seems to be holding them back.
Great coverage as always and fingers crossed all these companies achieve the goals we all want to see.
The writing is on the wall for Boeing. Selling their interest in ULA will recoup some of their losses over Starliner, which means its looking great for Sierra Space that they soon will be able to do what Starliner was supposed to do and be another option to transfer our astronauts to space.
How can Sierra afford a few billion $ to buy ULA, and then immediately have the cash flow for operations and payroll? Even if ULA sold it for $1 and took a tax write-off, there are tremendous costs moving forward. And if ULA is so desperate to sell itself, it must be losing money hand over fist. How can Sierra fix the entire business model and get to some kind of profitability?
"comical and insulting" seems like quite the over reaction. They blurred one segment of an hour+ tour.
They could have just told Tim to cut the whole segment and we'd have never known.
Cutting the segment entirely would have been preferable.
This is a dream merger if it goes through. Holy cow! Sierra Space and ULA combined? Yikes! Elon. You'd better get on your toes if this deal happens. 'Cause you could be about to get some real competition.
I don't think the blue origin video was censored, as much as the people filming it used specific focal lengths that blurred everything in the background when focusing on a foreground subject. You can see it's not censored when they focus on the background from time to time. So it was really just an unfortunate camera fluke imo. I'm sure there were parts that were deliberately censored, but most of the blurring you see is just a byproduct of the camera lens they're using.
The interior of the booster was blurred for ITAR reasons. They clearly state that in the video. Everything else was not effected. I was surprised at how much they did show. It was a great interview. As an FYI I am not a BO fan. Still a good interview.
oh nifty I didnt know I was so close to these companies living in Denver
Longer term the winners in the space flight game will be the ones that optimize reuseabilty IMO. It’s basic economics - if a given craft and engines can be reused many times the cost per flight dramatically drops. A key factor in this effort as well IMO is the durability of re-entry shielding. If the shielding requires extensive and expensive refurbishment every flight the cadence of reuse is significantly lowered and the cost per flight rises.
If Sierra Space buys ULA it would be a brilliant move and the would get 50% of DoD launch contracts a guaranteed revenue stream
I am sure that Tim knew exactly what was going to be blurred out before he entered the building. He chose to do the tour interview under those conditions.
Its called commercial confidentiality. Its called ITAR restrictions.
I could see ULA being bought by BO, not because of removing a competiror but because you can easily offer a launch size for a decent amount with V-C than rely on New Glenn with a multi-load 'super load'... Common 1st stage engines...
I liked the Starliner live feed. I would lovw to see the full tickertape it had underneath.
if Sierra Space wins this, it will be big
SS buying ULA would be great in every way in the short to medium term and longer term great for almost everyone but I have one concern for the longer term and that is related to the SS’s technology that I’m most excited about - the LIFE habitats. Based on SS’s LIFE roadmap LIFE 550 will be very exciting - over half of ISS’s pressurised volume in one go - but to get to the crazy exciting stuff beyond that needs a 7m and then a 9m fairing so right now that’s New Glenn and Starship respectively. I worry that SS being in competition with those companies as a launch provider might make partnership opportunities more awkward and make it slower and more difficult for SS to progress beyond LIFE 550 on its roadmap. I hope I’m wrong there because that is my only concern.
I'm thinking: Sky Sweeper! Go collect the debris and charge the generator. Trillions of dollars.
It wasn't that much that was blurred out, it was just the internals of the actual launch vehicle. Which might be more ITAR than BO.
Sierra and ULA seems like a much better relationship than billionaire shortcutting pipe dreamers.
Slow delivery of BE4 could derail the sales of ULA. Lunch rate unknown.
Watch Tim's video, it's in there By now they have 3 ship sets on hand.
That Bezos segment reminded me of a T-Shirt I've seen: Got a FUZZY Purpose?
SSA -Sierra Space Agency
Great video . . . no doubt . . a match made in heaven.
Here's hoping the deal goes through.
The manned Tenacity/Dreamchaser would be a great replacement for the failed Starliner since NASA wants at least two options to take humans to orbit.
Tim might have had to blur due to ITAR. Remember when Elon said he couldn’t film stuff due to ITAR.
A problem so far was BO getting enough BE-4 motors to get Valcan off the ground. Is BO going to get production increased enough to fly Valcan at the rate that someone like Sierra Space will want to be flying? BO hadn't been all that good at making schedules so far.
Now this is news indeed. The Polaris mission, the Bezos tour, Flight 5, and a few others, but this one has me sitting up straight. Sierra has technology niches nobody else has and ILA has a solid lifting vehicle with a good track record. This feels more like the expansion of the Shuttle and Space Station rather than a completely new endeavor like SpaceX. If this does happen Sierra could possibly become a foundational provider for orbital and lunar expansion. Slow and steady wins the race, as the saying goes.
Sorry, had to edit to add this. They could replace the ISS with a constellation of smaller Stations given their current projects. This is really exciting to think about.
Sierra Space could really turn ULA into something amazing if they decide to pursue reusable rockets.
I sure hope so. Jeff Bozos' Blue Balls Origin also previously bid on ULA. I sure hope THEY don't get them.
But we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
Lockheed and Boeing never really wanted to create ULA between them but were forced to by the government back in the 1990s. Since then, neither really wanted to invest in it after the Atlas 5 and Delta II, and Delta 4 were designed and fielded.
That's one reason they were late competing with SpaceX. A nimbler company unfettered by having to please two large, disinterested companies' boards might have done better.
I hope they will survive and thrive. Sierra Aerospace would push for Vulcan to become reuseable far quicker to make taking up their Dream Chaser vehicle more competitive with Dragon. Blue Balls Origin would likely kill Vulcan so it won't compete with their New Glenn launcher.
That was always a weird thing I thought for ULA to buy engines from Blue Balls in the first place, they should have stayed with Aerojet Rocketdyne and asked them to build some Methane/LOX engines.
Aerojet rocketdyne is way too expensive for 1st stage engines. Also they're slower than the sls. The problems at boeing / Lockheed are also at aerojet rocketdyne.
@@Smiles10130 it wasn't always that way.
@@rosswarren436 unrivaled success creates stagnation, much of why we lost the ability to go to the moon. Lockheed and boeing used to compete with each other and one of them stole plans from the other one and then ula was forced upon them and then stagnation began in the 2000s. Vulcan only exists because of space x.
@@Smiles10130 true, but regarding the moon, Saturn V production was capped at 15 of them by the U.S. Congress and the Nixon administration. The cost of Vietnam and all the money promised by politicians for "social spending" did it in. We flew 13 of them while cancelling lunar flights for Apollo 18 through 20. Once the production lines were shutdown, people with the expertise in construction laid off, and the tooling sold for scrap it became part of history, to never be again.
ULA might have fielded something like Vulcan quicker in response to SpaceX showing that reuse could be economically and engineeringly viable, but the boards of Boeing and Lockheed weren't interested in spending any money for such a thing, at least not until forced to by the U.S. government, which didn't want to be dependent on Russian engines anymore.
@@rosswarren436 agreed. You have to see the remaining Saturn v's if you haven't already. There was no more competition because the soviets were never able to develop a super heavy lift vehicle. If the soviets got there right before or after, we could've had a race for Mars or a near earth asteroid.
ULA was an arranged marriage. That to be honest I have no idea how the corporate structure works, 2 parents and then a company structure. If there was no space x, then maybe Ariane 6 might have pushed them to make a vulcan equivalent, but they got 1 billion for just existing before. They were smart to buy all the Russian engines before the ban went into affect. Competition breeds excellence and no competition creates stagnation is all I'm saying.
Blue Origin buying ULA for the contracts
They sure do have some cool tech
Your Sierra Space visit was one of your best videos. As to SS purchasing ULA, its a good idea but not great one. ULA is really a legacy rocket company. SS is a next gen company. Maybe a good short term plan but Sierra Space would have they work cut out for them to make the ULA products reusable. Not an easy task with a rocket that has only 2 engines. But with the falcons, starship, new glenn and rocket lab all in the hunt, I dont know how big their potential market share is.
Relativity is the real kingmaker, here. Arianespace has the most to be concerned about them.
Launching the mini shuttle inside a fairing seems really safe, no chance of Columbia style launch damage to your lander.
I assume there wouldn't be fairings with a crewed version, accepting lower performance for increased safety. Still would be much better with it being on top vs on the side.
BO will probably pay a ridiculous amount of money to sabotage this deal.
Insulting? It’s national security. They are not going to be able to show everything.
Assuming the acquisition goes through, once they run out of Atlas rockets, they'll be left with Vulcan Centaur. The problem with that is that it is doubtful that Blue Origin will be able to produce BE4s at any scale other than at a snail's pace, and even then prioritizing Glenn (I refuse to call it 'New'). They need to ring up SpaceX and try to buy Raptor 3s as they are now more powerful, lighter and are being mass produced.
A little flexibility might be a great thing here.
In the tour with Tim, Bezos said from next year they'd be able to produce an engine every 3 days. The 2 engines used for Vulcan (which are also intended to be reused), should be nothing then.
He also mentioned improved power output, but I don't remember how much. If it is higher than on wikipedia now, it could be similar to raptor 3.
Raptor 3 likely is still a better engine, but we know too little about the latest BE-4's performance/stats to say how much.
Also SpaceX needs a a lot more Raptors than BO (7 vs 33 engines), so if BO indeed can get it to 1 every 3 days vs SpaceX 1 every day, BO might have more supply for ULA than SpaceX.
@@MDP1702 Bezos says a lot of things and delivers on very few of them.
@@gregkelly2145 Maybe, but unless you can prove he's wrong here, we have to give him at least the benefit of the doubt.
@@MDP1702 'New' Glenn has been in development since 2013 and still hasn't flown a single time. Blue Origin's history has been a cavalcade of delays and slowness. ULA made the mistake of counting on BO and are now failing because the BE4 has taken so long to develop and produce. What more evidence do you need?
i wonder if this is a first step to sierra aerospace getting the contract from boeing for the alternative for starliner.
As long as the BE4 engine itself, doesn’t prove to be a bottleneck this looks great.
When the Customer becomes the Owner.
stop saying the centaur upper stage is reusable, its not! at best its repurposable once in orbit.
Mercury in waste water from the Launch Facility. Couldn't be from previous use of the site when used for drilling by the previous leasor?
Great News. Glad a company other than Blue Origin is going to aquire ULA. It sounds like a perfect match for these two good companies.
I wondered what sucker would step up to buy space’s AOL.
Lol, all I noticed during the tour ilof Blue Origin was that employees had their hands in their pockets. F*ck the janitors where more busy than Technicians
I'm guessing Sierra will want to take engines in house eventually.
Sierra Space produces payloads. It is only logical they purchase boost capability. This would make their projects entirely in house
Maybe Vulcan could be re-engineered to use Raptor engines, if Mr. Musk is willing!
Tim, the blur tour. What a joke on both parties
Angry - I think you have the potential to get to 350k subs, probably more, if you substantially increased your production values - better cameras and cinematography, creative editing and text integration, much better sound particularly in the field but also in the studio, a simple set or a very clean graphics integration for talking head shots (like Anton Petrov’s). You’ve nailed the scripting and narration and certainly the research aspects. Unfortunately it seems to go the limit creators need to have cutting edge production values.
I'm thinking the blurring had more to do with ITAR, and less to do with Blue Origin.
I was so surprised that BO actually gave a tour to Tim Dodd, of all TH-camrs they could invite! I was wondering if, after pretending that SpaceX doesn't exist for so long that Jeff actually brainwashed himself to really believe it to be true.
Until I realized that Moon on Starship thing has been cancelled.
Why buy an old technology rocket that is dependent on 3rd-party engines from a non-competitive company. Innovation and reusability are the future. How can a mini shuttle be associated with this? Existing Contracts? Politics? Am I missing something?
Man, if this happens, I would love it if Sierra went public. I’d put a chunk of change in that stock.
We do not know yet what is going to happen after this Starliner capsule comes back to Earth. We know Boeing will most likely try building the next one with new and improved helium tank seals and thrusters. They will have an accurate account of the problem. Every spacecraft that ever launched had their own set of issues. How many times did SpaceX blow up or crash something before humans were allowed to go up in Dragon. It took a few years after Falcon + Dragon's first launch.
I thought DreamChaser was supposed to launch on Falcon or Falcon Heavy. When did that deal fall through?
Its because its easier to blur the video than get Basos not to go into certain areas
just a Large FYI the part about the blurring that you found so insulting has nothing directly to do with BO, it was the same with parts of the SpaceX factory, since these for the US are "ballistic weapons designs" the video has to be approved by government which requires certain parts to be blurred, Steve even explained this in the last Elon tour
People keep talking like this is a sport.. when we use words like competitive.. this isn't a competition. It's supposed to be a joint collaboration between agencies and NASA. Let's not forget who signed NASA's contract and who gave em $$$..We not supposed to be against each other... We supposed to be against other countries.. yet somehow ppl see this as a sport.. neither blue origin or any rocket agency can catch up with SpaceX because of their successful launches minus a couple of flaws..
If they buy ULA they had better gut the bureaucracy.
Exciting news, Sierra+ULA perfect match.