Alaphilippe CAN WIN but he's a KNUCKLEHEAD
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Didn’t even start to watch and already 😂😂😂
Right!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
Good choice. Thanks 😜🦋👊🙏
You're a knuckle head too
Banger of a title 🤣🤣
Maybe after the Giro Chris could give us a top ten Knuckleheaders of all time?
Thank you for standing up for Peter Sagan! Pissed me off listening to that drivel...!
When Vaughters said that about Segan, I thought, he clearly doesn’t know what he’s talking about and never spent time with Segan at the front of the peloton. Then I smiled and caused I knew Vaughters just made my rest day video easy. I love knuckleheads. 😂🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCycling I think Alaphillipe is not managed correctly, it cant all be just the rider
Hey Chris, the knucklehead did again knucklehead things today - and he won 💪😅❤️
When you say most pro's retire at 35, I cant help but remember when Thor Hushovd retired at 30, felt like he Was still wery strong. Peace
Awesome insights as usual Mr Horner. I can actually add to the content tonight. The little discussion between Julian Alaphilippe and Pileo Sanchez was Julian mad because Sanchez attacked them. Sanchez then said you didn’t pull through when asked Julian’s response was he went back to car for bottles you see him point to cage and say in French bouteiles. I hope I was able to clear up for ya and I agree Julien is a shit disturber in a break away but his form appears to be improved from his knee issues. Keep up the great work.
Even the Eurosport commentators said that Alaphillipe is racing the same way he did when he was super strong, but needs to rethink his tactics now that he can’t attack so many times and still win. If it was obvious to THEM, it’s pretty obvious! 😂
I used to love watching Julian race, and still do, because he really animates races. But if he wants to WIN, he needs to change his strategy.
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Damn straight. Alaphilippe should know better, he's been around already. That he still doesn't know how to conserve energy by now, makes him a double knucklehead.
Love watching Wout van Aert, forgot he’s got the Butterfly Effect stamp of approval 🦋
Chris - you should be a manager for one of these big teams - If you were on the radio with some of these riders things would be much better for them!
Agree!
Give me Wout and he would have a couple more monuments at least one worlds and one Olympics if Remco was in 100% with Wout. That guy has unreal power 👊🦋
That's what I'm afraid of. Your analysis is so good (and entertaining) that it's only a matter of time before you get picked up by a network or move to a team. But then I'll miss my Butterfly Effect. 😢😢
He is advertising himself.
@@ChrisHornerCyclingnot with Allaphillipe😂😂 I really think he does his thing, badly at times. Sean Kelly has said he's not even sure he has a plan himself.
Dang Chris! I'll bet that Vaughter's and LeFevre's ears are on fire! 😁
Vaughters even said Sagan saved all his energy by NOT braking in the corners, that EVERYONE else did...wtf, so a peleton all braking in order to slow down for a corner, yet Sagan didn't need to 😅
What a load of drivel from Vaughters
Way to be bold, Chris. Teaching more than just strategy to young riders. Love it!
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Also teaching us older than Chris!
Alaphilippe may be a knucklehead but he is fun as hell to watch. I’ve started to become a fan of his over the past few days. I guess I’m a knucklehead too, but that’s okay. 😅
Agreed we love to watch it. Just save it for a little later in the race. 👊👊🦋🦋
I beat his Sponsors love him! He’s always in the thick of everything
Julian thinks he is Chris's man Victor Campenarts in break every day but as Chris said he has capability to be like Roglic...beat everyone in last meters.
@@suziederkins3310please don’t beat sponsors. 😂
2nd
Love hearing about knuckleheads. Chris & Garrett, thanks for Beyond the Coverage.
I wish EF, as a team, rode smarter. Would like to see them get 1, 2 or more stage wins or even 1 day races.
Did Julian ride smarter before his big injury a couple yrs ago?
I just find it hilarious.
"I wish Education First, as a team, rode smarter."
@@biggertree7063lol. True
No. JA always went with flashy. Aggressive and exciting, I would say was style in the past also. But with more wins and the flash holding out until the finish line. 💥🔥🦋💪
Alaphilippe is my favorite knucklehead.
Mine too. 😂🦋👊
I think it's pronounced knuckletête
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This is the best thing on YT Chris.
Bravo!
Wout Van Aert is fantastic, I love watching him
Chris for some reason I get the feeling you think Jonathan Vaughters is a Knucklehead! 🤔🤣
Alaphilippe is a winner already for we are all talking about him,big win for the sponsors...😊
So glad you got off the chesterfield to post this. Needed my Chris fix today and you didn't disappoint. Great stories and breakdown of knuckleheads.
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Frenchman backing himself to have pogacar legs ... every race... every stage... from any distance out...😅
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@ChrisHornerCycling il be disappointed if we don't see alaphillipe attack on the first climb and try to forn his breakaway 😂
Im looking forward to today's video and title after the king of the knuckleheads won.
OK, this has to stop. The British GCN podcast is saying that Pogacar is greedy. They're even asking people to say if Pogacar is greedy or not. The American podcast WEDU-THEMOVE, with Armstrong and Johan Bruyneel, are saying the same??? I mean WTF!!! Would they be saying the same shit if a American or British cyclist was NO.1 in the world? NO, they wouldn't. Shame on you. The only American podcaster I love watching and listening to is Chris Horner. His analysis and comments are mostly correct and fair. And one more thing, I'm from Europe - Norway, and don't give a shit about Lances golf in the USA. In Europe golf cannot compete with cycling, not even close. Capish?
This!!!!
Bang on point, we'll said 👏
Knuckleheadingness runs rampant in professional bicycle racing.
And I'm listening about knuckleheads in my Horner cycling Foundation T-shirt. I always love story time with Uncle Chris.😅 Great Story Uncle Chris. 🤜🤛👍
Only a knucklehead, misspells “knuckleheadedness”./🦋👊
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Alaphilippe strikes me as a Solar who has occasionally succeeded. 🤷♂️
Fantastic explanation and a good advice to the young riders. Love to hear you everyday. Thanks Chris. You take care. ❤♥️👍👍🙏🙏
One aspect that I grabbed from watching the TdF (1998-2009) on TSR 2 (Swiss), FR2/FR3 and Eurosport, is something I rarely hear on these shows and foruns now that I'm back (since 2010) in the USA.
If riders are "knuckleheading" off the front of the peloton, might that be "Sponsor pressure"?
Like: "hey guys, our Sponsor wants to see their jersey *doing something* so go light it up!"
There's a nuance between being urged to breakaway, or being urged to be seen on TV.
The smaller teams, i.e. Polti, are in the latter, the rest fall in the former category. But the message here is part is, the break always goes, no need to blow it up constantly. It will be interesting to see how the likes of JA go for the rest of the race
The fact that the butterfly effect isn't just a recap is why I watch. It's Cycling School.
I watch the butterfly effect to LEARN (from a master, who admits when he's been a complete knucklehead... thanks Chris).
Chris, Who the hell are you talking to behind the scenes? That threw me for a loop. 😂. I always imagine you are doing this alone. Then I realized it is your son who I follow on IG. Great job guys! Love it!
Love the back and forth with Garrett 😆👍
Ya gotta wonder about anyone in cycling that questions anything Peter Sagan pulled off on a bicycle. Clearly grasping for recognition. Spot on about the "other end of your body" comment.
I had to look up at the. Computer and see if Vaughters really did say that Segan lab numbers went really special. 😂🦋👍
Vaughters even said Sagan saved all his energy by NOT braking in the corners, that EVERYONE else did...wtf, so a peleton all braking in order to slow down for a corner, yet Sagan didn't need to 😅
What a load of drivel from Vaughters
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As a former rider, like yourself Chris...what you said about Vaughters was correct, but he also said more drivel.
I thought wtf is he talking about, what a clown.
Mr Horner dropping knowledge! Some serious tactical nuggets in there! Chris just curious I see your Strava isn’t up to date. Do you not use it?
It’s been awhile since I used Strava. I should get that back up and going next time I start getting fit. 🥲🦋👍
Lots and lots of examples for Sagan but I'll give just one: last 12km stage 11 of 2016 TdF ... you cannot watch that and think Sagan has bad "lab numbers" (whatever that means).
Chris - I have never understood the tactics of Julian Alaphilippe. You're absolutely right. "Overaggressive" is the understatement of the year. And it looks like his many high-speed crashes (despite his great bike handling skills) finally caught up to him. But I hope he fully recovers and starts winning big races again.
Agreed 👊🦋🤞
He has won enough to not be bashed. The crash that injured him badly was not his fault. You make it sound like he is the cause.
@@johanf9279 I'm not bashing. He is one of the greats, just very unconventional. He's not the first great athlete to do things his own way and won't be the last.
Chris you are the best !
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Because you want to know, the count:
Knucklehead + Knuckleheads + Knuckleheadism = 27
Watch and you won't be dissapointed.
Chris, should be Directeur Sportif somewhere! A master tactician.
Would hate to lose his coverage but yeah, he must likes his life the way it is.
@@Bill-cy2cy do you know him personally? How do you know he likes it just the way it is? Perhaps he would want to be a directeur but no team offered him the chance. pro cycling is highly political and he's an American...
Chris would make for boring races. And I don't like that Chris uses Armstrong (and Postal) as example of supreme strategy. Reason is Armstrong's and Postal's strategy relied on doping to a great extent, something that Chris does not want to acknowledge.
@@WanderingSword lol the strategies work without doping, look at Chris Froome years of dominance were the Armstrong tactics. Also, you are naive if you think current riders don't dope. Remember....Armstrong never actually tested positive, his throne was only toppled from his ego and how he treated and ostracized his former teammates that knew the secrets. juice is everywhere....wake up! lol it doesn't even matter what riders do or don't take, we just want to be entertained. people like you are hilariously amusing.
Trudge around Europe or live in Beautiful Bend Oregon? Not much of a choice in my book!
When Alaphillipe is out my backup Roclic to fall back on...
Thanks. That was great 👍 👌
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Julian, pick one stage, do one attack. Keep it simple
Yes. Once that is achieved, then select another objective.
Thanks, coach Horner although I'm not a young rider, just an old fan. Wonder if Julian had been more patient could he have gone
away with Narvaez on Sunday...oh well. Good to see him fighting but, yes, he needs to fight smarter.
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Maybe Patrick Lefevere told him he wasn't attacking enough, so he's going all-in to piss him and vent his frustration.
After Lefevre's public criticism (of Alaphilipe and his wife), There's gotta be some dysfunctional going on there.
Hand raised: Wait! I know the answer!! 'Cos he's a knucklehead?
Now that other guy you're talking about I think he's a knucklehead
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Knucklehead count: 24 + Bonus Title Knucklehead for a total of 25 knuckleheads!
Has Vaughters always been a knucklehead or has he been pursuing an advanced degree in Knuckleheadism?
Julian must have watched on the rest day .... yeah, Stage 12 Giro, crazy but marvellous
know of course your point Chris, but stage 5 at the 2020 tdf had no break...😂😂
Julian Alaphillipe has always raced like this, and he always has been running his mouth in any break. This always has been his character and attitude. Nothing has changed. It's just that in the past when he was younger, he was able to win, and now that he is older and his ability has diminished, he is not able to win, but he is still doing the same thing he always has been doing. In sports that require skills, like basketball, players acquire new skills as their athletic ability diminishes. But for road cycling, there isn't much skills involved and it's mainly about endurance, so cyclists can't really acquire new skills to make up for the diminishing endurance.
French ego?
I was with you until your last sentence. Cyclists need to become tactically smarter as they age, that's the skill that Alaphillipe needs to focus on, tactics. It's not like Alaphillipe can't win, which is the point of this video, its that he can't win riding like he did when he was younger.
I got most of mine around 30 ish. So Ja has some hope still cause before 30 I was a knucklehead all the time. 😂👊🦋🤞
@@ChrisHornerCycling You learn more if you fail
To say Sagan’s numbers weren’t impressive is wild!
Vaughters even said Sagan saved all his energy by NOT braking in the corners, that EVERYONE else did...wtf, so a peleton all braking in order to slow down for a corner, yet Sagan didn't need to 😅
What a load of drivel from Vaughters
What's funny is that we sit on the couch and root for him knowing full well that he's being a knucklehead and it's going to fail miserably. But we still do it every single freaking time...... It's like Bettlejuice!
Nice, dude!
Man I miss Marc Soler and his Solerism 😂
Serious Knucklehead sandwich Beyond the Coverage analysis. You said Vaughters! Has anyone watched Enter the Slipstream? Released last year and is streaming on Peacock. Thoughts? Chris, perhaps a special Butterfly Effect review?
I will have to check it out. Thanks 🤔🦋👊
I like my knuckleheadism like I like my whiskey - Blended!
Love these comments...great video to watch on a ....rest day...also love watching J.A.ride.... but good to see him getting heaps 😮😢😮😢😮😢
If you were getting lots of xmas cards before …. Well let’s just say you are more likely to get coal in your stocking. 😅😅😅
If Chris feels like making a ten hour video he could break down Rob Hatch's commentary the way he did Vaughters'. 🛋️🦋
Hehehe. Ahhh Rob Hatch yep there’s some fun to be had there tactically. He does do a good job everywhere else I would imagine but I don’t do wines and I don’t know Italian history. All fun and games a side he is the commentator, and the others are the color commentators. So his job is to keep the color commentators on track. 😜🦋👊
I have never been a fan of Vaughters, ever. If I'm forced to choose between Chris and Jon to be a knucklehead, it's Jon every time. Even when it isn't.
Yep Vaughters complete tool and knucklehead.
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On the serious side, didn't JV have unresovlable issues with his vision? I recall him hitting the tarmac countless times while he was racing. And his good buddy needs to go on weight watchers, or maybe gastro by-pass? No joke, he looks like he's ready to burst...and super unhealthy.
Vaughters even said Sagan saved all his energy by NOT braking in the corners, that EVERYONE else did...wtf, so a peleton all braking in order to slow down for a corner, yet Sagan didn't need to 😅
What a load of drivel from Vaughters
Nice picture of Vaughters🎉
The difference between Chris and them, Chris isn't afraid to say it, what ever "it" is.
I had to watch stage 7 again to be sure. There was no breakaway. 😂
Alaphilippe looked a little nervous in the final of stage 6 because he really wanted to win after a long time and he knows he’s not dominating as he was in 2019. Also on stage 8 he was trying to form a breakaway himself because he knows that he doesn’t stand a chance against guys like Bardet and Storer on a mountaintop finish
there's going deep and there's diving with Chris...
What’s worse? Vaughter continuing to obliterate the pronunciation of Pogacar, or the fact that he thinks the Atlanta Braves could have a game in Omaha? 🤦🏻. Chris, I do like Vaughter’s insight like nutrition, the riders’ accommodations,etc. And, he surely dresses better than the others who look like they picked up second hand clothes from Kazakhstan.
Alpecin has done this move marking the whole season. They mark and disrupt the breaks, saving energy for their number 1 rider by letting the groups come back together or winning the final sprint with fresher legs than the others in the group. How is this different from Vermeersch in Roubaix and Flanders or MDVP in Milan-San Remo?
Alaphilippe burns matches like a pyromaniac.
Which year of the Tirreno Adriatico did Sagan drop his chain, I’d like to see the highlight.
2012 stage 4. And yes Segan won the stage. It was crazy!!!!!! 😲💪🦋👊
Thanks for the analysis. Alaphilippe looks much better than in the Tour last year where it was clear he had not the level even for a stage win. I think he still has not the level to beat Bardet, Storer and Co in a mountain stage.
So should he not save his energy for a better stage?
I became a cycling fan with Lance Armstrong. However, I became a rabid fan when I discovered these guys like Tom Boonen, Fabian Cancellara, Alejandro Valverde, Peter Sagan, and Julian Alaphillipe, who had other ambitions. All of a sudden the racing became "3D." And of course, you gotta be some kind of knucklehead to try some o' the hijinks of these cats.
Well 15th wheel could be worse than 6th wheel if guys in front of you cause gaps you have to go around, but in this situation Pogocar, knowing the riders in front of him and understanding the tempo UAE was setting, would know basically for sure that those particular riders in front of him would NOT cause gaps, plus he would react instantly and move up if things changed, which they wouldn't change because UAE was controlling the tempo.
Hey Chris, do you reckon Pog can kickstart his Tour de France training mid-Giro? I mean, can Pog can start his training now, at this point of the Giro, and begin focusing on specific aspects of training for the Tour de France?
I think we are watching that happen already during the last three stages. Saving power whenever possible. Not the TT of course. 🤔👊🦋
Roast more!
No Knuckleheads = No Chris Horner show 😂
I always saw Julian Allaphilippe as a good punchy rider like around 2021 he was really good on that opening stage of the Tour but as he's getting older and he's versing these younger riders he drops off early and when he was in shape he could just wait to attack and then win the stage but Julian just doesn't have the 2020 or 2021 power but he has enough ahead of others at the Giro that's the way I see it.
But also if Pogacar wasn't in the Giro I think Allaphilippe would be doing his normal tactics because he just knows he is not on Pogacars level and he has to try something to stop Pogacar but it is what it is he just doesn't have it anymore now you got the next punchy climber of Remco Evenepoel that I believe has taken Allaphilippes place but I know Allaphilippe can win I agree with you just tough with the new young riders nowadays.🤔👊🦋🦋
Lulu needs a new enviroment, what team do you think would suit him? EF perhaps? 🤔 peak Sagan was super powerful..
No one is spared from the truth!
Hey Chris, I just started watching your videos. Very interesting. E Sveum and I just started another new business venture- would like to talk to you about it.
That's why WVA is #5 and ahead of MVDP.... I expect some hate comments for that but it's true! 🤣🤣🤣
These guys being knuckleheads, I’m wondering if the DS want them to make these moves for sponsors exposure. The guy at the front is going to be on camera more than the guy at the back after all.
He has to attack to keep his name relevant! Ok here's our plan for this stage. Bonzi!!!! 🚵🏼👍🏻💯😄
I’ve thought so as well. Alaphilippe’s contract is up this year. If he doesn’t get in front of the cameras with some kind of evidence he’s still got some form, his next job might be harder to find and a few euros less. He’s not racing intelligently, he’s racing to show himself and prove he’s still got it in the tank.
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Didn't they used to call Knucklehead moves Panache? Lol!
Any thoughts on the footage today of Vingegaard 's training ride?
His right leg looked damaged and weak
Have not seen it yet. But will look for it. Thanks 🤔🦋👊
I was in agreement with your "knucklehead" assessment, but the more I heard the more I felt it was veering into "dingbat" or even "bozo" territory.
I wonder how much pressure Lefevre is putting on Alaphillipe to be an aggressive knuckhead? Using brute force tactics to prove his salary is sad.
Lefevre proved his genius since it worked
Vaughters has been a nucklehead ever since he ended the track program and fired Brad huff and Mike Friedman
I want to see Alaphilippe win again too but every time I see him launch some ridiculous attack I just shake my head, especially when it looks like he has some good form. I don't understand how he can make such poor tactical choices. It kills me to watch him do it repeatedly.
Right. Now it’s getting ridiculous. I’m sure he will win something this year but he could be winning right now at the Giro. 🤷🏼♂️🦋👊
I think Alaphilippe has been told either try and win or get gone
He likes the booze a little too much 😂
I would love to know how many pros (young or otherwise) watch your commentary. If I hear any of them say "knucklehead" during an interview it will be a good tell. Pros: Please say knucklehead during an interview.
That would be awesome. And then the bonus would be Max and Peacock using it as theirs 😉
Hehehe. 😂🦋👊
@Chris i think you shouldn't say you are watching Eurosport while in the US. Uncle SAM will come after you for piracy 😂. If i am not wrong Eurosport isn't telecast in North America and we are left to see Flosports and Peacock commentary. I personally prefer the commentators on Eurosport and former GCN guys, since we have you for 20 mins after the fact.
This video aged well lol
It was great to see Peter S. Racing with Hungarys young team..
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An athlete makes many mistakes when she/he lack confidence. Julian Alaphilippe is no exception and with a CEO on the team that "kills" his cyclist in public you get a lot of stuff to single out knucklehead 😉
Add Best he’s maybe sixth place if the boys that are injured are healthy and in the race
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If he would learn to conserve energy like a mere mortal, he would likely win more races - sounds reasonable, but maybe easier said than done for him.
It’s a contract year I believe for JA. So let’s hope he gets back to winning. 🤞🦋👍
Why isn't Chris a Director Sportif?
Answered dozens of times... doesn't want to travel much (one aspect), happy at home, etc.
(Or: "they can't pay him enough to do so")... ☮️👋☮️
Vaughters even said Sagan saved all his energy by NOT braking in the corners, that EVERYONE else did...wtf, so a peleton all braking in order to slow down for a corner, yet Sagan didn't need to 😅
What a load of drivel from Vaughters
Tbh it was a good analysis
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As a former rider in the ranks, it was drivel by Vaughters & many others in the sport think the same.
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Absolute drivel
Hard to get a top 10 on here these days.
Bam 👊🦋
I am not an expert but Quickstep is the knucklehead. Adaphilip wants to race and break since the beginning. Why not quickstep support that and send riders with him or sign riders that rides like him for him... Urmin if we csnt stop him from making breaks then why not join him..... I can believe that we need riders like cavagna woth him those that can do long distance solo to accompany him. I believe he is better then pogacar but the team does not work according to his strenghts and his alone most of the time
Vaughters is the last person to talk about blood work!!!
I was a total knucklehead in my race days … but even a bonehead like me can see JA is *cough cough* a tad too eager.