Not sure about that: Just like Moneytallica and Megadeth, in the 1990s and 2000s, Anthrax softened their sound. Stomp 442 and the Bush years weren't very heavy or thrash, so that could be considered as selling out. Thankfully For All Kings is back to where they should be. The only one of the Big 4 that never sold out was Slayer (although Diabolus In Musica had its moments).
Because they aren't from the Bay Area, nor did they look the part. They had a unique sound in the 80's that people probably didn't expect because of the Bay Area thrash culture. But they were, and still are, one hell of a band to see live. Especially in a small venue of only a couple thousand fans
1stFallschirmjagerRgt My problem, really, is that Anthrax probably worked the hardest and had the most problems over the years. And yet, it isn't as respected as these bands.
+white noise that's how itbwas here at the Royal Oak Music Theater which is just a few miles north of Detroit. A very small venue and one of the better shows I have been to. One show I wish I could've seen there was when Metallica played there while touring for Ride The Lightning. Going to see Anthrax again next Saturday at a slightly larger outdoor venue not too far from here where they are playing with Slayer and one other band.
lol people hate anthrax? There one of the best metal bands and live acts in the world. I've seen them live three times and their energy is insane. Best of the big 4 in my opinion.
@@donaldwestfall6143 uuh you know scott ian literally ripped off and stole songs by former anthrax members? The only reason they got a good start was because he was a prissy rich kid who bought then into big venues right at the start
I don't think anyone really "hates" anthrax. They aren't celebrated as the greatest band to have ever existed by their over obsessive fans (looking at you slayer), they aren't douche bags, they all seem like nice enough guys. Their music is considered either average or pretty good depending on who you talk to. Not really any hate worthy qualities...
I hear that nearly every day as an Anthrax fan. It's so ridiculous. I feel like no one that has ever said that has ever listened to Fistful of Metal, Armed and Dangerous, Spreading the Disease, Among the Living, State of Euphoria, Persistence of Time, Attack of the Killer B's, Worship Music, Anthems, or For All Kings.
Joe Manzella Exactly. I really don't most metal fans have actually listened to Anthrax's albums. The most common encounter I get is someone will say Anthrax aren't metal or they don't deserve to be in the Big 4. So I always ask them to explain, then they say it's because they are a punk band or they'll say they are hip hop or rock. They often can never even name more than a song or ttwo tops. They'll just say they Got the Time or Bring the Noize, or my personal favorite, they did a song with Public Enemy once, they are not metal. Jesus.
+Ocean Sage as someone who actually listens to Anthrax from Persistance on back (nothing after that), it was a combination of Joey's vocals and not being fast/hard enough for a name like Anthrax, Nuclear Assault and S.O.D. have the sound more worthy of a name like that
he is... all of the band is very chill and humble. I met them last week and gave Frank Bello a customized shirt as a gift and he loved it, he even thanked me on his instagram & twitter, they're awesome dudes! Also they're still putting out great music and put on a killer performance. They're my favorite band of the big 4 to watch live
@@twelveeighteen2055 I could get behind that idea except that was not a huge part of his life. That wasn't even that big of a band. I've talked to other people about him, same response. The things he said to me during that interview, he really is that person.
I think that Sound of White Noise is highly underrated. I had it bought for me and never touched it because it wasn't Joey but a buddy called me stupid for not giving it a chance and I'm glad I did.
Probably wouldn't be hated so much if Stomp 442 and volume 8 had more strong songs. A lot of the songs in it were kinda "filler". Aside from P&V, Pompeii, Perpetual Motion, it was hard to find good songs.
Funny how people view music differently. I think Stomp and Volume 8 are two of thier best albums, in particular Volume 8. Catharsis, Stealing from a Thief and Harms Way are excellent songs. Back in 92 or 93, White Noise was the first Anthrax album I ever bought. Great album...
For All Kings is my favourite Anthrax album, i like it even more than Among the Living. theyre thr strongest band of the the Big 4 right now in my opinion
CanadianBoardCrew it's so good. I never knew they'd brought Joey back and went to see them at the Glasgow barrowlands where they filmed the DVD! What a night!!
I love all 4 of them, but Anthrax have absolutely made the best and most consistent albums over the past 20 years of all The Big 4. I've seen all of them at least once over the past 10 years and Anthrax live shows are far more entertaining than Megadeth and Metallica at least and equal to Slayer.
I DESPISE ANTHRAX. The symptoms are horrendous; vomiting of blood, severe diarrhea, skin lesions and severe (and often fatal) respiratory collapse. Dangerous stuff; coverkillernation failed to mention these reasons!
Personally, I thought 'Sound of White Noise' was a great album. I never cared for Belladonna's vocals but that isn't to say he didn't help propel some of their classic stuff. Anthrax absolutely deserves to be a part of the Big Four.
So , wich band could fit in the place of Anthrax in the Big four? Exodus , Death Angel ? they are really good bands but nothing like Anthrax , and why to hate Joey's voice I think this is one of the things that put the band on the top
+Fred Tobar I haven't a clue. I think the big 4 is fine the way it is. I've gotten this question for years and never had a great answer for it. I think in a What If video about Dave Mustaine or something I concocted some weirdass way there could be a Big 5 or something. All speculative thought and a major reach, but that's part of what that series of vids are all about.
Hey man, I am a fan of your channel but let me say something. Last year Anthrax opened for Lamb of God. Lamb of God of course is a very successful band now, they are one of my top favorite bands. When Anthrax came on the stage and played, some people were into it. It seems like most people were standing there with their arms crossed or going out for a smoke. When Lamb of God came on, the energy of the venue was completely different. People went bonkers, everyone was having a good time, moshing, the usual, Lamb of God is popular. Let me ask you this though: If there were to be a theoretical new tour and it was Lamb of God and Metallica (big 4) who would open? Obvious Answer. What about Megadeth and Lamb of God? Obvious answer. Slayer and Lamb of God? Obvious answer. Which leads me to my point, Anthrax, a big 4 band opened for Lamb of God proves the fact that they are very undeserving of the big 4 spot. They might as well make it a big 3. They are no where near the level of popularity of Metallica, Megadeth, and Slayer. I am obviously not that big of a fan of Anthrax but that is just my two cents.
John Bush era was alright but Joey Belladonna era FLAWLESS Their last 2 albums could have picked up right after Persistence of Time They are Timeless to me..... \m/
i really like for all kings but worship music to me personaly wasn't anything special. i only like 3 songs on it. also i want the horsing around and making jokes era and albums back. now they are making these more mature, serious albums which is fine but i want the classic goofy, joking kind of thrash that anthrax used to make
Ok KIDS. Here’s a little lesson. For ANYTHING you may LOVE, someone else can’t STAND IT. I LOVE ANTHRAX. I’m not surprised anyone hates them. Joeys voice ?!? Yes, he is why some people LOVE Anthrax and some people HATE THEM. His voice is polarizing and part of why I appreciate him . He IS the voice of Anthrax.
In 1988 I joined a band called "Rugg Ratt" we were a thrash band. Our bass player was Pete Martinez from the band "Murphy's Law" and Jason Ian on drums. Scott Ian's younger brother. We were playing a bunch of shows around NYC and Scott showed up at a club in Lake Success called "The Cat House" to check us out to see if we were good enough to open for them along with "Helloween" and "Living Colour" on the "I'm the Man" tour. Well, we were definitely good enough, however, I was thrown out of the band 2 months after he came to check us out. The reason ? he said that I reminded him to much of Neil Turbine. Imagine that, I got thrown out of the band not for anything I did wrong. No I got thrown out of the band because Scott Ian didn't like the way I sang. To this day I still find it amazing. I don't know of anyone who ever got thrown out of a band because of an outsiders opinion.
I was a skater in the 80's when these bands were putting out this music, and I can educate you a bit on "skate metal". We preferred music that had certain tempos and sound to it while we skated ... Especially on half pipes. Anthrax's "Among the Living" was perfect for that. Other bands we listened to for that purpose were Suicidal Tendencies, D.R.I., Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Corrosion of Conformity, Testament, Sepultura, Ministry, and some punk bands like The Exploited, Black Flag, and The Misfits. Songs that were aggressive, and fast. I built a half pipe in my back yard with rooms under the decks. I had a stereo in one of the rooms. I drilled small holes on the vert of the ramp on each side, and mounted speakers behind the plywood so no matter which side of the ramp we were on, the music would blast right at us. Our neighbors hated us so much, and tried to get the city to make us tear the ramp down. My dad defended our right to have our half pipe though, and won.
Another long term fan here. Never met anyone who hated Anthrax. Sadly not as respected as their peers, due to Bermuda shorts, having fun, not singing songs about the devil or crossovers with rap artists. And in my opinion - it's Bush every time. Joey is great but too.....clean, too nice. John has that extra growl in his tone, more emotion and seems to be comfortable covering a range of song types.
slayer doesnt have any good song in my opinion.Hell awaits? U must be deaf to say this.Anything anthrax did can easily beat it.I actually never understand people who says slayer is better? they dont have bass guitar,they dont have guitar solos? they have just satanic lyrics and image.
I loved the John Bush era best. I liked Anthrax before him, but when he came in I started to Love them. They found the right voice and it just kicked so much more ass! I know every word to every song on Sound of White Noise, Volume 8, and WCFYA and most of those on Stomp 442. Since then, when Joey came back the songwriting was so good it could have been anybody at the helm and it would have been awesome. Worship Music is awesome and For All Kings has its great moments too! I try to listen to some old 80s Anthrax now, and its like a different band that is kinda good but not something I'd go apeshit over. NOW is the time to be a fan of them!!
I met Joey Belladonna before and he's one of the nicest and coolest people I know. If people were to mistake him for Scott Ian, I would hate them forever!
Hey, CKN. Simple question. Do you like or have you heard any Killing Joke albums? They're sort of an industrial metal / post punk band that's been active for nearly 40 years. I really can't tell whether you'd like them or not, but some, including myself, consider them classic. Thanks in advance!
Here you go for quick reference: 5. Joey Belladonna's Vocals 0:54 4. Scott Ian 2:19 3. They Put Rap in Metal 3:45 2. The John Bush Era 5:33 1. Anthrax Does Not Belong in the Big 4 7:52
Maybe hate is too much of a strong word. I sure understand that some people don't like certain bands, but hate? There's enough hate on the internet already to promote it further
My personal two cents on each reason discussed in the video: - Joey Belladonna has not only arguably the highest vocal range in thrash metal, but also is much less gruff-sounding and more melodic than his contemporaries, and I imagine that can be hard to stomach for fans who discovered the likes of Metallica/Megadeth/Exodus first. However, the first wave of metal bands I discovered included Iron Maiden and Metallica, and I found Anthrax to be a perfect mesh of Maiden's melody and Metallica's speed and heaviness. - Yeah, I find Scott Ian to be a little self-indulgent sometimes; he won't hesitate to get his name out there to discuss every and anything he was influenced by in a documentary or a spoken word tour. Another bothersome thing being his apparent disrespect and lack of open-ness towards fans in comparison to his bandmates, which contrasts with his chill/outspoken public image. Hella talented songwriter and riffer though. - So? Their rap metal stuff is pretty entertaining. Genre boundaries were made to be broken, and Anthrax properly meshed rap with metal before anyone else could. They weren't responsible for Limp Bizkit; they didn't get the members of that band together and write their dreadful songs now did they? - John Bush is fucking great. He's as much a vocal powerhouse as Belladonna, just in a different but still powerful manner; plus he wrote lyrics unlike his predecessor. He is to Anthrax what Corabi was to Motley Crue; brought in a fresh new sound and lyrics and made great music. Except unlike Crue, Anthrax didn't suck when they reunited with their old singer. - The Big Four label is took far too seriously on the internet. Like CKN says, the four bands didn't decide among themselves to be the biggest and most important bands out of the whole thrash metal scene. It was a term brought forth by the music press due to the amount of bands at the time producing this new faster style of metal, and those four bands just happened to have more commercial success than the others regardless of their level of thrashiness. I see fans online discuss how Exodus should replace Anthrax or how Exodus and Testament should join to make a Big Six. What difference would this labelling make at this stage of any of these bands' careers?
It's not so much that Scott Ian has disrespect towards fans. It's the "fans" he doesn't want to be bothered with. He stated in an interview he has no problem with a true fan who stops him on the street. He can spot if they're an Anthrax fan or not as they approach. It's the ones who recognize him because of his goatee and face being on tv, but not knowing who he is or anything about the band.
The FACT that in 1992 Anthrax had an entire episode of Married with Children based on them where they appeared and played one of their songs... that alone makes them BIGGER than Exodus, Testament and any other thrash band that people complain should replace them in the Big 4. National tv exposure in a popular TV show at the time and now in syndication to this day in 2021!
I understand keeping the B4 within the California state, but I think that having one band outside of it, especially in a region known for part of what thrash got some of it's sound from, hardcore punk, makes sense. Metallica was like the prime thrash band, Megadeth had the socially political lyrics with technical shredding, Slayer was borderline-extreme metal, and Anthrax was the NYHC thrash. Different sound for different styles of thrash.
also in the 80's people use to hate Anthrax for the clothes they use to wear...shorts, T-Shirts with cartoons etc and this happened when most of Metal Bands wanted to look evil....after a few years Slayer, Sepultura and everybody started to wear Shorts
anthrax is my favorite band by a mile. melodic vocals, insane drumming and bass, intense downpicking, and all around badassery! for all kings is a perfect album. none will beat anthrax.
People don’t take into consideration that the Bush era, used different producers, Dave Jerden, The Butcher Bros, those guys did janes addiction, Alice In Chains, Nine inch Nails etc, so of course they were trying to mature their sound.
I actually got into Anthrax via the John Bush-era music. The Joey stuff came eventually, not quick, but eventually. I had pretty much given up on them after the whole thing right after the reunion when Joey left (again) and they got Dan Nelson, then got rid of him for reasons that aren't clear to this day, then had John back for a short time before Joey (again) returned. My head was hurting. But after I heard Worship Music, I thought it was such a great album, I liked the band again. I like all Anthrax's music.
I also remember being served a milk carton back in 1989 in Highschool that had anthrax,testament& exodus printed on the cafeteria milk carton ,I must be sentimental to recall it so easy like it was yesterday :)
Idk I kind of agree with the last point, I listen to Anthrax sometimes but how in the hell are they bigger than Iron Maiden? Maybe at the time or something?
nvm I told a friend and he says its the big four OF THRASH... either you should say that at the beginning or Im fuckin deaf. Thanks. I stand by my point tho, Iron Maiden may not be thrash but Venom>Anthrax :P
+Daniel Midkiff funnily enough, the real lack of response killed that. Plus, with some bands, it would largely repeat why people love the bands. Aside from conflicting personalities, obv. Though some of those folks are catalyst points for examination. You hear a name enough, you wonder what its all about.
The "Bush era" is what got me into Anthrax but then again it's more from my era. The sound of white noise is always in my playlist.... it's an amazing album. Belladonna is not quite my cup of tea but I can still appreciate him and enjoy his music, old and new
My late-father and my stepmother hated the living tweedle out of Anthrax. :-( My dad said that Anthrax was a disease that cows get (which is true) while I'm not entirely certain why my stepmother hates them so much. She would cringe if she got wind of my drone videos that had Anthrax choons in them. :-O Fortunately, she's not into TH-cam and doesn't even know about all of the aerial videos from my drones -- whether they had Anthrax music in them or not. :-)
How do people hate Joey's singing. Is it because he is the only one in the big four who can actually sing? Yea the other guys have cool thrash singing and yelling but in terms of actual singing talent Joey surpasses them
Yeah what do you expect from a bunch of old people. Most of these geriatrics were born before 2000 and are sellouts with houses, salaries, and health insurance. Old people are always going to be bitter about the past.
mike portnoy is going to play with dream theater next year live. playing all the 12 steps. really excited. and playing with a7x and all his bands for his 50th bday
For me. Instead of “Big Four” should being “Big Five”. I can mention couples of bands that deserve to being considerate like Exodus, Over Kill, Meliah Rage, ext... Maybe those ones that I mentioned could be a little underrated to call them one of the “Big Five”; but there’s one that should be there, and in my opinion (talking about thrash music), better band than all the ones inside the “Big Four” bands, is TESTAMENT.
The Joey Belladonna albums are by far my favorite Anthrax albums. The John Bush era had/has it's moments but not nearly as good,to me. I prefer "Fistful Of Metal" (Neil Turbin's lone album with the band) over the Bush albums,too. I think that John Bush's true place was with Armored Saint,not with Anthrax.While they might not be Metal's all time greatest band, Anthrax are still ONE of the best,imo. \m/ \m/
I loved bring the noise and Public Enemy was a classic hiphop group that perfectly could crossover with hardcore and metal music because of the content. Also public enemy sampled slayer for their chanel zero song so the link with thrash was already made.
I got into Anthrax in high school. I had State of Euphoria on cassette and I would just listen to it on my Walkman over and over and over. Then i went backward and found first Among the Living then I'm the Man. I thought then and still think they were something really special. I mean I had the "NOT" guy skateboarder shirt. I had posters. I had a Guitar World Magazine that featured a speed metal article with a sweet pic of Scott pounding away on his NY strat 12 fret guitar. This was all very inspiring to a kid like me. Definitely one of my early metal guitar playing influences. So to hear someone sum up Anthrax's importance not just to me but countless others I'm sure with a phrase like, "Anthrax Sucks" is beyond lame. I like all the big 4 for totally different reasons. Thank you for posting this video.
When we were teens, growing in up Perth Downunder, Anthrax fans were called 'Thraxters'. I just googled it. NOTHING at all about Thraxters being associated with the band. So strange. Could we have made it up??? Hmmm...
If you hear Anthrax being called skate rock it has to do when Gator Mark Anthoney did that speed bike and skateboard stunt tv show back in the 80's & they played Now it's Dark by Anthrax in the background ,I thought it was cool plus the whole nation was watching which made a huge impression on the public opinion back in the day.
When talking about Scot Ian selling out I was thinking when they did Rap that that would have been selling out, but you got to that next. The John Bush time was a time Anthrax were a very different band.
Most of the albums before Persistence of Time, save for Fistful of Metal, are interchangeable. Most of the original songs sound alike and they only seem enthusiastic about cover songs, which were the majority of their pre-Bush material.
As an exterminator, I got to service Charlie's house twice. He was polite and professional. Equally, I was professional. However I couldn't help but peek at his room that housed the life size "Simpsons" dolls... sorry Charlie. ;)
+kenmo6 Hopefully they will listen to me. There was one time when I showed a few friends Megadeth and they were confused and talked about how they think bands like them sound unrelevant which means that they immediately suck. I rolled my eyes at them lol
I saw Anthrax live, saw the singer perform with Sevendust, met them twice, and that was all in the same festival! I honestly can't see why people hate Anthrax, but they get a lot of hate but then when they released For All Kings everyone said it was fantastic and then went back to hating them. It's an endless cycle of stupidity that shouldn't be happening in the first place.
Anthrax definitely belongs in the big 4. If you wanted a Big 5 Exodus could be added considering they’ve been around the longest, since 1980, and they’re great as well.
early hip hop and thrash had a lot in common in the 80s.. both socio-political, rebellious, and aggressive.. it's because of anthrax and public enemy that I've always considered the 2 genres cousins.. when I was a kid, it was all just music to me
Not only does Anthrax belong in the Big 4, but it should've been the Big 5 with Testament being a part of the group. Personally I think they're better than the other 4, PERIOD. The only other band I could possibly think to include in the discussion is Overkill. Talk about a band that never sold out and is still putting out kick ass albums.
Hating Anthrax? That's like hating puppies, kittens, free beer, and bacon!
Greg O so true
I dont hate anthrax I just dont like them because of joey
@@rathernot3839 Joey is the only difference between Anthrax and other big 4 bands
Thats why i am like this band)
A basket of kittens?
Yeah, I H8 all that shit! 😡🤘
Anthrax never sold out actually the opposite they arent scared to do different genres and even helped create one
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Not sure about that: Just like Moneytallica and Megadeth, in the 1990s and 2000s, Anthrax softened their sound. Stomp 442 and the Bush years weren't very heavy or thrash, so that could be considered as selling out. Thankfully For All Kings is back to where they should be. The only one of the Big 4 that never sold out was Slayer (although Diabolus In Musica had its moments).
Austin Ruddy Metallicash
They didnt help make a genre, they made a genre.
Austin Ruddy Exactly, and the band that made the least thrash album was Megadeth
I dunno why anthrax doesn't usually get attention such as Metallica or Slayer...
I guess they're just the least commercially successful of the big 4.
+Dustin9933 and yet where the first to be called thrash due to their song metal thrashing mad
Because they aren't from the Bay Area, nor did they look the part. They had a unique sound in the 80's that people probably didn't expect because of the Bay Area thrash culture. But they were, and still are, one hell of a band to see live. Especially in a small venue of only a couple thousand fans
1stFallschirmjagerRgt My problem, really, is that Anthrax probably worked the hardest and had the most problems over the years. And yet, it isn't as respected as these bands.
+white noise that's how itbwas here at the Royal Oak Music Theater which is just a few miles north of Detroit. A very small venue and one of the better shows I have been to. One show I wish I could've seen there was when Metallica played there while touring for Ride The Lightning.
Going to see Anthrax again next Saturday at a slightly larger outdoor venue not too far from here where they are playing with Slayer and one other band.
lol people hate anthrax? There one of the best metal bands and live acts in the world. I've seen them live three times and their energy is insane. Best of the big 4 in my opinion.
best of the big 4 1000%
Metallica are sellouts, Dave Mustaine can't sing anything, and Slayer is Slayer, Anthrax is Anthrax.
Anthrax is the Amway of the big 4
@@donaldwestfall6143 uuh you know scott ian literally ripped off and stole songs by former anthrax members? The only reason they got a good start was because he was a prissy rich kid who bought then into big venues right at the start
@@NickHill668 Come on, Dave isn’t that much better than the rest of the big 4
I don't think anyone really "hates" anthrax. They aren't celebrated as the greatest band to have ever existed by their over obsessive fans (looking at you slayer), they aren't douche bags, they all seem like nice enough guys. Their music is considered either average or pretty good depending on who you talk to. Not really any hate worthy qualities...
I hear that nearly every day as an Anthrax fan. It's so ridiculous. I feel like no one that has ever said that has ever listened to Fistful of Metal, Armed and Dangerous, Spreading the Disease, Among the Living, State of Euphoria, Persistence of Time, Attack of the Killer B's, Worship Music, Anthems, or For All Kings.
i agree..i never got into them, and i wouldn't say i like their music, but as far as hating them, i cant say that either
+Ocean Sage
So ANY good anthrax album...
Joe Manzella Exactly. I really don't most metal fans have actually listened to Anthrax's albums. The most common encounter I get is someone will say Anthrax aren't metal or they don't deserve to be in the Big 4. So I always ask them to explain, then they say it's because they are a punk band or they'll say they are hip hop or rock. They often can never even name more than a song or ttwo tops. They'll just say they Got the Time or Bring the Noize, or my personal favorite, they did a song with Public Enemy once, they are not metal. Jesus.
+Ocean Sage as someone who actually listens to Anthrax from Persistance on back (nothing after that), it was a combination of Joey's vocals and not being fast/hard enough for a name like Anthrax, Nuclear Assault and S.O.D. have the sound more worthy of a name like that
People don't like Scott Ian? He seems like such a chill dude.
Rayn Wolfsbane ikr same
he is... all of the band is very chill and humble. I met them last week and gave Frank Bello a customized shirt as a gift and he loved it, he even thanked me on his instagram & twitter, they're awesome dudes! Also they're still putting out great music and put on a killer performance. They're my favorite band of the big 4 to watch live
I interviewed him. He was the worst interview I've ever had. I have interviewed a lot of celebrities. He is arrogant and overall a douchbag.
@@thegreatamericancircus9093 - Maybe because, after that nightmare reality show with Ted Nugent and Sebastian Bach, he's over the whole press thing?
@@twelveeighteen2055 I could get behind that idea except that was not a huge part of his life. That wasn't even that big of a band. I've talked to other people about him, same response. The things he said to me during that interview, he really is that person.
I think that Sound of White Noise is highly underrated. I had it bought for me and never touched it because it wasn't Joey but a buddy called me stupid for not giving it a chance and I'm glad I did.
Yeah Sound of White Noise is an excellent album. Can't say that for stomp 442 and volume 8
the best album in the catalog
Probably wouldn't be hated so much if Stomp 442 and volume 8 had more strong songs. A lot of the songs in it were kinda "filler". Aside from P&V, Pompeii, Perpetual Motion, it was hard to find good songs.
Funny how people view music differently. I think Stomp and Volume 8 are two of thier best albums, in particular Volume 8. Catharsis, Stealing from a Thief and Harms Way are excellent songs. Back in 92 or 93, White Noise was the first Anthrax album I ever bought. Great album...
It was the 2nd album I owned and its the best of the John Bush era. Listened to it so much I had to pick up several used copies
For All Kings is my favourite Anthrax album, i like it even more than Among the Living. theyre thr strongest band of the the Big 4 right now in my opinion
CanadianBoardCrew i agree For All Kings is fucking perfect
CanadianBoardCrew the more I hear FAK the more I like it. Killer album.
worship music is great too
CanadianBoardCrew it's so good. I never knew they'd brought Joey back and went to see them at the Glasgow barrowlands where they filmed the DVD! What a night!!
I love all 4 of them, but Anthrax have absolutely made the best and most consistent albums over the past 20 years of all The Big 4. I've seen all of them at least once over the past 10 years and Anthrax live shows are far more entertaining than Megadeth and Metallica at least and equal to Slayer.
I hate Anthrax because I think the VILLAGE PEOPLE should have been in the Big 4.
I DESPISE ANTHRAX. The symptoms are horrendous; vomiting of blood, severe diarrhea, skin lesions and severe (and often fatal) respiratory collapse. Dangerous stuff; coverkillernation failed to mention these reasons!
+J' Mar (el diablo blanco) I knew I should've went to medical school.
J' Mar I SEE WUT U DID THAR
Fuck you buddy
Fuuck the joke hit hard, thanks
Personally, I thought 'Sound of White Noise' was a great album. I never cared for Belladonna's vocals but that isn't to say he didn't help propel some of their classic stuff. Anthrax absolutely deserves to be a part of the Big Four.
I agree on White Noise. Never cared for the others with Bush but that one is top to bottom great.
I love the big 4. Megadeth especially.
KAELANIME DAVE MUSTAINE = HERO OF “ Big 4 “ .. !!!!!!
I like them all
same
@@sirspookybones1118 metallicas next album like em all hahahaah
WHO HATES ANTHRAX??
RespectTheEmotions I know it's bs
Losers. Losers hate Anthrax.
i dont think anyone really hate them but their just pretty overrated
Anthrax definitly belongs to the Big Four, especially thinkin in the albums the had in the classic era.
Anthrax is supposed to be a fun band (despite some of their serious songs, like "Indians" or "One World"). Anthrax honestly embody thrash pretty well.
They have some of the more "wacky" songs in comparison to the other big 4
@@sirspookybones1118 - That's the punk spirit in their hardcore.
anthrax are a lot of things, thrash isnt one of those things
@@dvir12345 They have thrash in them, it just has more hardcore punk influence
Congratz to 47'000 subscribers CKN. You've come this far and I wish you many more disciples for your channel.
So , wich band could fit in the place of Anthrax in the Big four? Exodus , Death Angel ? they are really good bands but nothing like Anthrax , and why to hate Joey's voice I think this is one of the things that put the band on the top
+Fred Tobar I haven't a clue. I think the big 4 is fine the way it is. I've gotten this question for years and never had a great answer for it.
I think in a What If video about Dave Mustaine or something I concocted some weirdass way there could be a Big 5 or something. All speculative thought and a major reach, but that's part of what that series of vids are all about.
Hey man, I am a fan of your channel but let me say something. Last year Anthrax opened for Lamb of God. Lamb of God of course is a very successful band now, they are one of my top favorite bands. When Anthrax came on the stage and played, some people were into it. It seems like most people were standing there with their arms crossed or going out for a smoke. When Lamb of God came on, the energy of the venue was completely different. People went bonkers, everyone was having a good time, moshing, the usual, Lamb of God is popular.
Let me ask you this though: If there were to be a theoretical new tour and it was Lamb of God and Metallica (big 4) who would open? Obvious Answer. What about Megadeth and Lamb of God? Obvious answer. Slayer and Lamb of God? Obvious answer.
Which leads me to my point, Anthrax, a big 4 band opened for Lamb of God proves the fact that they are very undeserving of the big 4 spot. They might as well make it a big 3. They are no where near the level of popularity of Metallica, Megadeth, and Slayer. I am obviously not that big of a fan of Anthrax but that is just my two cents.
Cerberus' Leash Popularity doesn't mean shit. Anthrax is great and deserves it's place in the big 4.
Fred Tobar Testament would be a great fit! They're amazing!
Testament, Overkill, Exodus, Death Angel, ect. There's lots of bands
Fuck the haters!!! ANTHRAX are magnificent!!!! , They never sold out like Metalica did !, to me they are still the best band ever conceived
rarevidz how do you not like anthrax
They sold out with john bush
What's the background music?
What's playing in the background?
John Bush era was alright but Joey Belladonna era FLAWLESS Their last 2 albums could have picked up right after Persistence of Time They are Timeless to me..... \m/
i really like for all kings but worship music to me personaly wasn't anything special. i only like 3 songs on it. also i want the horsing around and making jokes era and albums back. now they are making these more mature, serious albums which is fine but i want the classic goofy, joking kind of thrash that anthrax used to make
@@marinhrabric6162 Hell yes. "Which one of these words don't you understand?! Talking to you is like clapping with one hand!"
Ok KIDS.
Here’s a little lesson.
For ANYTHING you may LOVE, someone else can’t STAND IT.
I LOVE ANTHRAX.
I’m not surprised anyone hates them.
Joeys voice ?!?
Yes, he is why some people LOVE Anthrax and some people HATE THEM. His voice is polarizing and part of why I appreciate him . He IS the voice of Anthrax.
In 1988 I joined a band called "Rugg Ratt" we were a thrash band. Our bass player was Pete Martinez from the band "Murphy's Law" and Jason Ian on drums. Scott Ian's younger brother. We were playing a bunch of shows around NYC and Scott showed up at a club in Lake Success called "The Cat House" to check us out to see if we were good enough to open for them along with "Helloween" and "Living Colour" on the "I'm the Man" tour. Well, we were definitely good enough, however, I was thrown out of the band 2 months after he came to check us out. The reason ? he said that I reminded him to much of Neil Turbine. Imagine that, I got thrown out of the band not for anything I did wrong. No I got thrown out of the band because Scott Ian didn't like the way I sang. To this day I still find it amazing. I don't know of anyone who ever got thrown out of a band because of an outsiders opinion.
Which music is that...in the background
I was a skater in the 80's when these bands were putting out this music, and I can educate you a bit on "skate metal". We preferred music that had certain tempos and sound to it while we skated ... Especially on half pipes. Anthrax's "Among the Living" was perfect for that. Other bands we listened to for that purpose were Suicidal Tendencies, D.R.I., Metallica, Megadeth, Slayer, Corrosion of Conformity, Testament, Sepultura, Ministry, and some punk bands like The Exploited, Black Flag, and The Misfits. Songs that were aggressive, and fast.
I built a half pipe in my back yard with rooms under the decks. I had a stereo in one of the rooms. I drilled small holes on the vert of the ramp on each side, and mounted speakers behind the plywood so no matter which side of the ramp we were on, the music would blast right at us. Our neighbors hated us so much, and tried to get the city to make us tear the ramp down. My dad defended our right to have our half pipe though, and won.
There is nothing wrong with Anthrax. The only reason to hate them is that people put them in the Big 4.
That's no reason to hate them. It's the people that put them there, not Anthrax.
filthyswit Yeah exactly it's misplaced hate.
Stomp 442 and Volume 8
exodus shouldve been there instead of anthrax
exodus is just an average group.Boring and repetative as hell.They are not even close to anthrax.Only testament can be the debate imo.
Another long term fan here. Never met anyone who hated Anthrax. Sadly not as respected as their peers, due to Bermuda shorts, having fun, not singing songs about the devil or crossovers with rap artists. And in my opinion - it's Bush every time. Joey is great but too.....clean, too nice. John has that extra growl in his tone, more emotion and seems to be comfortable covering a range of song types.
I like all the Anthrax singers. They only have two bad albums. I still think that Anthrax is better than Slayer :)
Same, Slayer is very overrated, never liked Slayer, never will.
+Xyloblast I like Slayer's first album and that's about it. They get way too much praise.
+MJNation Hell Awaits pwns anything Anthrax put out, and I say that as someone who listens to both bands, just being honest
slayer doesnt have any good song in my opinion.Hell awaits? U must be deaf to say this.Anything anthrax did can easily beat it.I actually never understand people who says slayer is better? they dont have bass guitar,they dont have guitar solos? they have just satanic lyrics and image.
You are wrong.
I'll give you a 6th reason: Neil Turbin cannot get over the fact he was the first singer of Anthrax.
I loved the John Bush era best. I liked Anthrax before him, but when he came in I started to Love them. They found the right voice and it just kicked so much more ass! I know every word to every song on Sound of White Noise, Volume 8, and WCFYA and most of those on Stomp 442. Since then, when Joey came back the songwriting was so good it could have been anybody at the helm and it would have been awesome. Worship Music is awesome and For All Kings has its great moments too! I try to listen to some old 80s Anthrax now, and its like a different band that is kinda good but not something I'd go apeshit over. NOW is the time to be a fan of them!!
I think anthrax is very underrated. The first metal concert I went too was anthrax and killswitch engage this year and it was amazing.
People hate them because they like rap music. LOL
My friend, they hate them because they think if you like Rap/Hiphop, you should hate Metal, and viceverse, ESPECIALLY VICEVERSE
You could have said that to ANY band BUT ANTHRAX
I’m the man and Bring the noise explains why
My Top 3 Anthrax - Among the Living - Sound of White Noise and For all Kings
Anthrax is amazing!! I love the Joey & John Bush eras!!! I got to see both versions live a lot and loved every show.
The only reason Anthrax doesn't belong in the Big 4 is because they are too good to be in it.
I met Joey Belladonna before and he's one of the nicest and coolest people I know. If people were to mistake him for Scott Ian, I would hate them forever!
I got a 6th reason, Anthrax didn't play Armed and Dangerous during the Killthrax tour, lol \m/ While Evil ones try to Destroy us....
Hey, CKN. Simple question. Do you like or have you heard any Killing Joke albums? They're sort of an industrial metal / post punk band that's been active for nearly 40 years. I really can't tell whether you'd like them or not, but some, including myself, consider them classic. Thanks in advance!
Here you go for quick reference:
5. Joey Belladonna's Vocals 0:54
4. Scott Ian 2:19
3. They Put Rap in Metal 3:45
2. The John Bush Era 5:33
1. Anthrax Does Not Belong in the Big 4 7:52
Maybe hate is too much of a strong word. I sure understand that some people don't like certain bands, but hate? There's enough hate on the internet already to promote it further
My personal two cents on each reason discussed in the video:
- Joey Belladonna has not only arguably the highest vocal range in thrash metal, but also is much less gruff-sounding and more melodic than his contemporaries, and I imagine that can be hard to stomach for fans who discovered the likes of Metallica/Megadeth/Exodus first. However, the first wave of metal bands I discovered included Iron Maiden and Metallica, and I found Anthrax to be a perfect mesh of Maiden's melody and Metallica's speed and heaviness.
- Yeah, I find Scott Ian to be a little self-indulgent sometimes; he won't hesitate to get his name out there to discuss every and anything he was influenced by in a documentary or a spoken word tour. Another bothersome thing being his apparent disrespect and lack of open-ness towards fans in comparison to his bandmates, which contrasts with his chill/outspoken public image. Hella talented songwriter and riffer though.
- So? Their rap metal stuff is pretty entertaining. Genre boundaries were made to be broken, and Anthrax properly meshed rap with metal before anyone else could. They weren't responsible for Limp Bizkit; they didn't get the members of that band together and write their dreadful songs now did they?
- John Bush is fucking great. He's as much a vocal powerhouse as Belladonna, just in a different but still powerful manner; plus he wrote lyrics unlike his predecessor. He is to Anthrax what Corabi was to Motley Crue; brought in a fresh new sound and lyrics and made great music. Except unlike Crue, Anthrax didn't suck when they reunited with their old singer.
- The Big Four label is took far too seriously on the internet. Like CKN says, the four bands didn't decide among themselves to be the biggest and most important bands out of the whole thrash metal scene. It was a term brought forth by the music press due to the amount of bands at the time producing this new faster style of metal, and those four bands just happened to have more commercial success than the others regardless of their level of thrashiness. I see fans online discuss how Exodus should replace Anthrax or how Exodus and Testament should join to make a Big Six. What difference would this labelling make at this stage of any of these bands' careers?
exodus is boring and not as good as anthrax.They are the real overrated ones.
I agree with Belladonna's voice of that mixture of Maiden and Metallica
It's not so much that Scott Ian has disrespect towards fans. It's the "fans" he doesn't want to be bothered with.
He stated in an interview he has no problem with a true fan who stops him on the street. He can spot if they're an Anthrax fan or not as they approach. It's the ones who recognize him because of his goatee and face being on tv, but not knowing who he is or anything about the band.
1stFallschirmjagerRgt don't blame him
+MrCapone1996 oh I don't either.
Anthrax would kill exodus ..you all are crazy anthrax jams like hell on all there stuff
i think you meant anthrax would kill to be exodus
Exodus are way better
The FACT that in 1992 Anthrax had an entire episode of Married with Children based on them where they appeared and played one of their songs... that alone makes them BIGGER than Exodus, Testament and any other thrash band that people complain should replace them in the Big 4. National tv exposure in a popular TV show at the time and now in syndication to this day in 2021!
People hate Anthrax not because they 'tried' something different but because succeeded IN doing something DIFFERENT.
My first concert and my last one so far had Anthrax and Slayer. Anthrax has been my favorite band since around 1991. And I love S.O.D.
I understand keeping the B4 within the California state, but I think that having one band outside of it, especially in a region known for part of what thrash got some of it's sound from, hardcore punk, makes sense. Metallica was like the prime thrash band, Megadeth had the socially political lyrics with technical shredding, Slayer was borderline-extreme metal, and Anthrax was the NYHC thrash. Different sound for different styles of thrash.
also in the 80's people use to hate Anthrax for the clothes they use to wear...shorts, T-Shirts with cartoons etc
and this happened when most of Metal Bands wanted to look evil....after a few years Slayer, Sepultura and everybody started to wear Shorts
YESSS I gotta ask tho CKN... Is this a direct result of my comment a couple weeks ago??
anthrax is my favorite band by a mile. melodic vocals, insane drumming and bass, intense downpicking, and all around badassery! for all kings is a perfect album. none will beat anthrax.
People don’t take into consideration that the Bush era, used different producers, Dave Jerden, The Butcher Bros, those guys did janes addiction, Alice In Chains, Nine inch Nails etc, so of course they were trying to mature their sound.
I actually got into Anthrax via the John Bush-era music. The Joey stuff came eventually, not quick, but eventually. I had pretty much given up on them after the whole thing right after the reunion when Joey left (again) and they got Dan Nelson, then got rid of him for reasons that aren't clear to this day, then had John back for a short time before Joey (again) returned. My head was hurting. But after I heard Worship Music, I thought it was such a great album, I liked the band again. I like all Anthrax's music.
I never hear anyone talk shit about Sound of white noise I can understand Stomp 442 and volume 8 (I do like those however)
I also remember being served a milk carton back in 1989 in Highschool that had anthrax,testament& exodus printed on the cafeteria milk carton ,I must be sentimental to recall it so easy like it was yesterday :)
Idk I kind of agree with the last point, I listen to Anthrax sometimes but how in the hell are they bigger than Iron Maiden? Maybe at the time or something?
nvm I told a friend and he says its the big four OF THRASH... either you should say that at the beginning or Im fuckin deaf. Thanks.
I stand by my point tho, Iron Maiden may not be thrash but Venom>Anthrax :P
If someone feels like anthrax doesn’t belong in the big four ,they’ve never heard among the living.
Lars Ulrich called. He wants his look back.
Persistence of Time is Joey's finest hour. Love his vocals on that album.
Could we see more "5 reasons people love" videos. I really enjoyed the Rush one.
+Daniel Midkiff funnily enough, the real lack of response killed that. Plus, with some bands, it would largely repeat why people love the bands. Aside from conflicting personalities, obv. Though some of those folks are catalyst points for examination. You hear a name enough, you wonder what its all about.
They probably think they just "suck".
The "Bush era" is what got me into Anthrax but then again it's more from my era. The sound of white noise is always in my playlist.... it's an amazing album. Belladonna is not quite my cup of tea but I can still appreciate him and enjoy his music, old and new
My late-father and my stepmother hated the living tweedle out of Anthrax. :-(
My dad said that Anthrax was a disease that cows get (which is true) while I'm not entirely certain why my stepmother hates them so much. She would cringe if she got wind of my drone videos that had Anthrax choons in them. :-O
Fortunately, she's not into TH-cam and doesn't even know about all of the aerial videos from my drones -- whether they had Anthrax music in them or not. :-)
How do people hate Joey's singing. Is it because he is the only one in the big four who can actually sing? Yea the other guys have cool thrash singing and yelling but in terms of actual singing talent Joey surpasses them
I’ve never heard anyone say Sound of white noise was a bad album.
Indeed CKN! Hip Hop from 1978-1992 was definitely a form of alternative music and was not mainstream at all for the most part.
I'm still waiting on a "5 Reasons Why People Hate Mudvayne".
It is weird how Dio is seen as the exception for vocalists that replaced singers from legendary bands.
because he made the bands he joined better
and he also didn't just ride the coattails of Rainbow and Sabbath, his own band was amazing
Anthrax provides reasons to live.
Fistful of Metal...Most metal Anthrax 🤟
I started watching and stopped after a minute because I don’t need this kind of negativity in my life. Anthrax kick ass!! 🤟🏻
Yeah what do you expect from a bunch of old people. Most of these geriatrics were born before 2000 and are sellouts with houses, salaries, and health insurance. Old people are always going to be bitter about the past.
You should do a review on one of the John Bush era albums
mike portnoy is going to play with dream theater next year live. playing all the 12 steps. really excited. and playing with a7x and all his bands for his 50th bday
For me. Instead of “Big Four” should being “Big Five”. I can mention couples of bands that deserve to being considerate like Exodus, Over Kill, Meliah Rage, ext... Maybe those ones that I mentioned could be a little underrated to call them one of the “Big Five”; but there’s one that should be there, and in my opinion (talking about thrash music), better band than all the ones inside the “Big Four” bands, is TESTAMENT.
I never know why people wear sunglasses indoors.
Anthrax is the only Big 4 band that has never taken themselves too seriously. That is part of their legacy but they belong as part of the Big 4.
The Joey Belladonna albums are by far my favorite Anthrax albums. The John Bush era had/has it's moments but not nearly as good,to me. I prefer "Fistful Of Metal" (Neil Turbin's lone album with the band) over the Bush albums,too. I think that John Bush's true place was with Armored Saint,not with Anthrax.While they might not be Metal's all time greatest band, Anthrax are still ONE of the best,imo. \m/ \m/
I loved bring the noise and Public Enemy was a classic hiphop group that perfectly could crossover with hardcore and metal music because of the content. Also public enemy sampled slayer for their chanel zero song so the link with thrash was already made.
I had black dudes in the gym tell me that Public Enemy were sell outs because they let a skinhead rap... The door swings both ways.
You should do a video discussing the difference and similarity in the styles and sounds of The Big Four bands
I got into Anthrax in high school. I had State of Euphoria on cassette and I would just listen to it on my Walkman over and over and over. Then i went backward and found first Among the Living then I'm the Man. I thought then and still think they were something really special. I mean I had the "NOT" guy skateboarder shirt. I had posters. I had a Guitar World Magazine that featured a speed metal article with a sweet pic of Scott pounding away on his NY strat 12 fret guitar. This was all very inspiring to a kid like me. Definitely one of my early metal guitar playing influences. So to hear someone sum up Anthrax's importance not just to me but countless others I'm sure with a phrase like, "Anthrax Sucks" is beyond lame. I like all the big 4 for totally different reasons. Thank you for posting this video.
One theory I have is because the thrash hotbed was the LA scene. While Anthrax is representing NYC and the East coast.
You're on to something.. here in LA Slayer and Dark Angel are GODS legends whatever... Anthrax is just... ok.
Honestly, I prefer Stormtroopers of Death (Anthrax crossover thrash side project)
i never understood why people hate anthrax
have they ever heard fistful of metal and compare it with the rest of 80s era debut albums??
since we're already on the topic: five reasons people hate thrash metal (do such people even exist?)
Unfortunately yes, and you can blame the thrash elitists for that. :/
I can't imagine A world, either.
Joey and John... are equally great vocalists... I would love to see them BOTH on stage together at an Anthrax show!!!
When we were teens, growing in up Perth Downunder, Anthrax fans were called 'Thraxters'. I just googled it. NOTHING at all about Thraxters being associated with the band. So strange. Could we have made it up??? Hmmm...
If you hear Anthrax being called skate rock it has to do when Gator Mark Anthoney did that speed bike and skateboard stunt tv show back in the 80's & they played Now it's Dark by Anthrax in the background ,I thought it was cool plus the whole nation was watching which made a huge impression on the public opinion back in the day.
They had merch with the NOT man riding a skateboard, and bring up that they like to skate in Im the Man
When talking about Scot Ian selling out I was thinking when they did Rap that that would have been selling out, but you got to that next.
The John Bush time was a time Anthrax were a very different band.
I wouldn't say people hate them just prefer them less
Most of the albums before Persistence of Time, save for Fistful of Metal, are interchangeable. Most of the original songs sound alike and they only seem enthusiastic about cover songs, which were the majority of their pre-Bush material.
As an exterminator, I got to service Charlie's house twice. He was polite and professional. Equally, I was professional. However I couldn't help but peek at his room that housed the life size "Simpsons" dolls... sorry Charlie. ;)
I was just listening to some Anthrax, while camping. I love the band, pity that some people hate them.
None of my friends have ever heard of them
Owww.
kenmo6 Yeah they are busy listening to my chemical romance, black veil brides, and papa roach. sad bummer
Oh, it's worse!
They need you to guide them to damned good metal.
+kenmo6 Hopefully they will listen to me. There was one time when I showed a few friends Megadeth and they were confused and talked about how they think bands like them sound unrelevant which means that they immediately suck. I rolled my eyes at them lol
I saw Anthrax live, saw the singer perform with Sevendust, met them twice, and that was all in the same festival! I honestly can't see why people hate Anthrax, but they get a lot of hate but then when they released For All Kings everyone said it was fantastic and then went back to hating them. It's an endless cycle of stupidity that shouldn't be happening in the first place.
Anthrax definitely belongs in the big 4. If you wanted a Big 5 Exodus could be added considering they’ve been around the longest, since 1980, and they’re great as well.
The Bush era I could understand, but other than that, it's criminally insane to hate Anthrax.
early hip hop and thrash had a lot in common in the 80s.. both socio-political, rebellious, and aggressive.. it's because of anthrax and public enemy that I've always considered the 2 genres cousins.. when I was a kid, it was all just music to me
How could anyone hate Anthrax?
Not only does Anthrax belong in the Big 4, but it should've been the Big 5 with Testament being a part of the group. Personally I think they're better than the other 4, PERIOD. The only other band I could possibly think to include in the discussion is Overkill. Talk about a band that never sold out and is still putting out kick ass albums.
I thought Bush brought a mature sound to the band, and they did some killer songs with him, he certainly didnt do anything to hurt the band image
As an Anthrax fan I think most of the hate reasons can be legit. The spectrum is wide when it comes to opinions on them. I'm fine with that.
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