YouTuber Big Joel On Jordan Peterson, Ben Shapiro, & The Dangers Of Conservative Self-Help
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- In our second episode of our (remotely-filmed) second season of The Financial Confessions, we spoke with TH-camr Big Joel (AKA Henry), all about youtube internet culture, bad money advice, and conservative male insecurity.
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I enjoyed learning that Big Joel is actually a medium sized Henry. Good video.
I had absolutely no idea what this meant but as soon as he was introduced as Henry I lost my shit over your fucking comment 😂
I think he mentions it in the patreon question of one of his videos too
Yeah what the fuck how did I not know his name is Henry
I was today years old when I learned he's not actually called Joel 😆
I'm so charmed by Chelsea reflexively dropping an f-bomb so her guest isn't embarrassed about swearing. What a good hostess! 😂
This hysteria when it comes to swearing is typical for the american puritan culture lol. I am from Bavaria and here swearing is part of the culture
@@aaronstonemagic2165 People have no problem cursing in normal discourse here in America, it’s because this is a media production that people are so sheepish about it. Some people want their content to be at a certain maturity level or they don’t want it to push away advertisers
@@aaronstonemagic2165 Scheiss! :)
Chelsea is well-mannered in the classic sense. She behaves in thee best way that will put another at ease.
@@EggEnjoyer advertisers and maturity levels are less important than the fines you get for cussing in the wrong timeslot (in radio or TV more than the internet but if you want to enter the mainstream industry from your solo/small platform you have to know when ‘talk like a pirate day’ is over basically) FCC fines *start* at $500 per obscenity, indecency or profanity (also per day it’s continued)
As one of Small Henry's boys, it's always great finding new progressive creators! Especially women, and doubly so for a channel dedicated to understanding finance (something the left desperately needs more representation in).
No doubt. Having my young adult coming of age experience growing up in a sort of pseudo-anarchist microcosm of my hometown, I was taught a strong sense of community but left in my mid twenties with a poor understanding of my own entitlement to assets of any kind. It was only I suppose fashionable to speak about total abject poverty and homelessness so once I’d achieved any level of stability my community didnt really have anything to say to guide my experience past that :(
I was living at half of the poverty line back then and I am just below the poverty line on a pension now. It isnt much but it’s stable and I’m excited to rediscover budgeting again through channels like this
I mean there are a thousand comments saying the same thing but what a crossover
I'll be honest your comment here is itself a "what a crossover" from my perspective (though in all honestly I'm more familiar with your work on UsefulCharts than your own channel... at least for now; that might change!). Now we just need some vintage video game/computer guy...
Btw Jack i loved your work in the Caribbean
I don't know about y'all, but I DESPERATELY want to hear Chelsea's financial advice for Henry about investing. MAKE THAT VIDEO, QUEEN.
same! i have the same questions
I agree that would be more useful. I was somewhat disappointed in this conversation. A tad meandering and fatuous.
I feel like Khadija Mbowe would be a really amazing guest for you - she's a charismatic presence and she's so good around social analysis. I bet you two could get a really fascinating conversation going!
Yeah, she's amazing!
yes would love to see that😁
big joel talks like an essay even in livestreams, i love it
Totally boring for TSE viewers? I think you mean that we need an entire 8 part series that is just you meticulously walking him through the basics of finance in excruciating detail.
Yeeess, we need this!
Gon be taking some notes
+1
Hard agree.
I'm here for it
I LOVE KAROLINA!! I really hope she comes onto your channel, she's an amazing creator and a wonderful boon to our community! (as I'm sure you already know!)
It would be a great collab. I just hope it happens after covid so we can see Chelsea in a historical dress
yes!!!
Yes please!
"The obligation of shopping is a way bigger emphasis in women's lives" 100000%. If I hated shopping I can only imagine how much more freedom I'd have...
You have a choice, you know. Even in the face of conditioning and propaganda.
I honestly do not understand what this means.
Wow, this is the collab episode I didn’t know I needed but desperately wanted!!
Wish she would collab with tiffanyferg. She's commented in here before, and is brilliant on MLM's.
She told The Society community she is going to be on this season.
@@lisad4748 Looking forward to that!
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Any word on the host of How to ADHD? It seems like it would be fantastic content
@@Psychwriteify I don't know. She just mentioned quickly during an office hour that Tiffany Ferg would be on the show.
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I appreciate your response, thank you!
"he's just over here, being large. don't touch him!" omg this is the best episode 😂
...well this isn't a collab i ever imagined but i'm definitely pleased!
The Greatest crossover in Anime History!
Conservatives like to over-sell how much agency individuals have in improving their lot, but there is a legitimate personal benefit to the optimism bred by this sense of agency and a legitimate danger to underestimating your own power. I think the problems start when successful people whose optimism was vindicated turn around and judge those who didn't get lucky and start making policy decisions that affect everyone based on their own personal experience.
Is a individual responsible for poor decision making , or is the individual decision making a result of their enviroment/life long circumstances ?
@Kris Smiley
The answer is yes. We're both a result of our nature and nurture. The real question is which is more important
Scientists have been arguing about it for years but one thing is evident: 100% individualistic approach is unnatural for human species since we're very sociable monkeys. Or, as someone once said "we live in a society"
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 I agree that it is both,
So the conservatives tend to favor a individuals ability to make good decisions and seem to overlook the fact that a large swath of people are not mentally able to make "good" decisions .
Point in case . I know several ladies aged 30-40 yrsold who make. Around 40k a year who are single mothers of 3-5 children ,the conservatives would question why these ladies who make so little would spend $100.00 or more a month on their hair and nails , purchase a vehicle that requires 30% of their monthly income to own , or why they continually mated with several different poor providers to began with , the conservative would instinctively cut all excess expenditures , and take that money and invest or pay off debt and would within 5-10 years dramaticly change their financial situation
@@krissmiley7519 While it is true that twin studies do show that nature does play some part, it is overshadowed by nurture elements (e.g. environment and parenting). It is also true that a large portion of the population is 'uneducated', but it is so due to bad education policies and industrial interests. A progressive would provide explanations for these situations. For example, (I will try to follow your example):
Mothers (let alone single mothers) are often seen as not reliable in the workforce (i.e. stereotypical mother role), and thus are paid less than single fathers (i.e. provider role) that might make double or more. This wage gap could be solved by addressing discriminatory business practices that allow workers to be undercut.
As for single mothers with children, perhaps these mothers were not ready for motherhood, but the state criminalized contraceptives and abortions. If we want people to be responsible, we have to provide the option and tools necessary for them to do so. On a tangent, having children is a good thing because states can run into problems of not having a large enough workforce for an aging population. So, we should be either be allowing more child allowances to incentivize child rearing or encourage more immigration to supplement the workforce.
When it comes to spending on cosmetics, spending a $100 a month is not that bad. However, the point is that we live in a patriarchal world where men hold the 'wealth' and women have the 'aesthetics'. Spending money to not get socially ostracized might be a cost worth having; though, I think we should abandon this toxic norm in favor for something more egalitarian and practical.
Vehicles are important to have; not just because of the car culture, but because housing areas are often distant from the workplace. Highway and public transportation infrastructure is sorely lacking. This then puts the burden of transportation on that of the individual. Otherwise, the individual could move, but this is often more expensive in the form of mortgage or rent.
As for poor providers, the argument just sounds like 'poor people' should not have children, which sounds like a eugenics argument. As mentioned above, we kind of need more human capital less we the strain the already buckling system too hard. Remember, we should not mad about people having children, but be concerned about the conditions in which they are born (e.g. born into poverty'). Meaning, this is an economic issue and can be solved accordingly.
From the evidence I have read, it seems single conservative mothers or fathers are, generally, worse when it comes to the aspects that you have listed. Usually, the ones that do the things listed are ones that are couples, are already well-off, and not single.
Bottom line: Hopefully, we can all continue to learn how to better improve our society for everyone as a whole.
It’s kinda weird how much overlap Chelsea and I have with our yt watching habits...
Chelsea is my spirit animal
Me too! I watch the same youtubers Chelsea watches. I love Contrapoints! I love that Chelsea had a couple interviews with Graham Stephan and I also like Big Joel's media criticism.
Hello fello leftists
Big Joel TFD crossover is so unexpected and awesome
I can't overstate how much i enjoyed this episode, the way you both hyped eachoter up, the way you both state your opinions while still being open with being unsure on certain topics was so refreshing!
I am READY to hear my concerns about these people voiced and explained properly. My outlook has always been to run from men who adore these creators but I’ve never been able to succinctly explain why that is
exactly this. I had a guy who constantly pushed JP on me & when I started to express boundaries with this guy (unrelated to JP) he blocked me. lol. I had literally known this guy since I was 13 & I'm 28 now (this happened this past year). Definitely knew there was something off about these ideologies, but all I was seeing was the videos he'd send me, not the really problematic things under the surface. Now, outside looking in, I see i dodged a bullet!
it's simple. they're cults. that's all. JP forms a cult around himself with pseudo-19th century anti-semitism being the glue that binds these men together. JP has never demonstrated how to actually clean up a room even though that's his 'trademark'. Marie Kondo literally teaches people how to clean up their rooms. The difference is Marie isn't trying to form a cult of depressed young men around herself.
@@Carltoncurtis1 That JP doesn't specify where to put your underwear is a hilarious attempt to dismiss the actual underlying point he is trying to make. Clean Your Room is literal, yes, but the broader metaphor is that if your life is currently Hell doing the bare minimum, like cleaning your room, can start you down a more emotionally stable path. It's glorified Habit Stacking. Hardly a controversial idea. How you precisely clean your room is mostly irrelevant.
As a woman I adore Jordan Peterson and can't get my husband to like him :D Don't trust anybody's opinion, honestly. Just watch a few of his videos and form your own.
Watch the Contrapoints youtube video on him. It's the best critique of him and also by someone who is actually a trained philosopher.
Absolutely wonderful. Algorithm brought me here from big Joel’s videos and I’ll now be subscribing. This conversation (20mins in) perfectly describes the struggle I have to reconcile my progressive politics with my desire to still maintain a comfortable future through the use of informed financial decisions.
I'm shocked to hear your audience is mostly female, I love your chanel and proud to be the small 20% of your audience!
I feel the same way with Big Joel’s channel. I imagined his male/female demo would be more split🤷♀️ I love TFD and Big Joel, what a crossover!
hello, im one of big joel's boys! i love this interview and im happily subscribing to this channel now. i hope to see some audience crossover and hopefully more women in the the big joel audience. yall work great together
Oh yeah, here come the big bois to enjoy watchin' the video, yay!
The fun part of the Mark Zuckerberg t-shirt thing is that his t-shirts are $700 designer shirts.
That's amusing, however hot tip, 150$ linen t-shirts are awesome in the summer.
ugh having such well spoken people to listen to on this platform is so refreshing . literally the perfect collab
Yea too bad they are literally and factually wrong about pretty much everything!
Pretty funny how he blurts out "Really??" Like he's astounded anyone would watch his videos. Then he's immediately sorry for interrupting! (Sigh) If only there were more of that kind of humility in the world. 😂
For SURE Karolina!
😮 disagree! Not boring content to show Henry how to invest and why. Please create a spin off where to guide him through the starting process!!
It would also help a lot of us to see it go down
I would love this also. Seeing how to break down the process would be so helpful. There’s only so many videos I can watch. I need to see someone demonstrate it.
Watching this to find out what the difference is between conservative self-help and liberal self-help.
If I had to make a wild guess, progressive self-help would feature much less passive-aggressive malice towards minorities and women
@@poposterous236 This sick, and accurate, retort.
A trial of Peterson's book might help here for firsthand understanding. But one of the biggest things I noticed was a lot of gender essentialism.
@@poposterous236 Even though I really don't like the likes of Jordan Peterson, this really is a kind of smug and baseless assumption that isn't true and ignores what is actually wrong with it. JP's normal views have plenty of misogyny and transphobia but it's not really at all present in his self help, and he never really says anything about ethnic or racial minorities.
@@krombopulos_michael perhaps but ignoring it usually isn’t useful either, but again why minorities or trans people would get advice from people that don’t really recognize them except when it’s time to insult them is beyond me.
One of Big Joel’s “boys” here, great podcast!
Australians, remember when in the middle of the covid crisis last year when our prime minister had a home reno scheme where if you renovated your house, the government would contribute but you already to have put $50,000 into it? The fucking dissonance astounds me. And Albo saying "idk who's getting gold toilets but I wouldn't be able to get one"
Update: Albo won the election 🎉🎉
Came here for TFD, staying for TFC!!! These conversations are fantastic. Thank you so much for having them and keep it up!
So many great points here, but one of the most important is shining a light how so many people that give life and personal finance advice speak as if in a vacuum, not addressing structural changes that need to happen for significant improvements to take place in our societies. Thanks for what you've said about billionaires and others who are well off. Here's hoping these kinds of discussions open the eyes of those who are less well off who support policies that are made to serve the richest.
I've been following TFD for a while, watching videos once in a while, but I came across TFC a couple of days ago and I'm hooked.
I for one would like to watch a video where Chelsea sits down and helps Big Joel sort out his finances.
I love when she brings on lefty TH-camrs! And please try to bring on Contrapoints!
I've loved both of your channels for years so this collab was so great to see! Loved it, very wholesome, learned some stuff, thank you
Absolutely loved this interview, I can listen to you both talk for hours, and I agreed with almost everything both of you said.
I had to rub my eyes and double check i was really seeing a video essayist I really enjoy in this thumbnail. It really is the man who made an hour long analysis of Click.
I never thought of it as "Sure, you're poor, but you have a clean room!"
Now I will!
!!! I'm so glad you had him on your podcast !! This was such a great episode!
Glad to be among the 15% men on this channel!
This is the collab i never knew I needed- two of my fav YT channels having such a great nuanced convo!!!
Wow this is by far the best episode of the podcast so far and it has set a high bar for the future. You are both so thoughtful and your conversation only elevated what you both can do on your own.
I LOVE TIMBAH! So glad to see him getting a shout out, he is criminally underrated. I subbed to him on patreon recently, he's going through some personal stuff that will result in a delay in uploads, but he does still have plans in the works and he has a great library of content on his channel already for new viewers to get a feel for his style
We're In Hell is worth checking out, highly researched content. Check out his video on Jordan Peterson's daughter!
this really rocked. you guys had an awesome discussion.
his name is henry???? I've been watching his vids for a while now and i thought it was joel
Yeah, he's really weird for that
hes not even that big
Yeah he said so in one of his videos once.
HE'S ONLY 5'10", WHICH IS RELATIVELY AVERAGE
He looks like a Joel
Can we talk about how we center our society around celebrities? This leading to an enormous amount of wealth for individuals with a very narrow kind of skills (some superficial skills) leading the rest of us to idealize them
It’s great to see a nicely balanced and respectful exchange like this and that is to say nothing of the fascinating content. Brilliant
love Big Joel so much. So glad you got him on to chat.
I really enjoyed this one! Glad the podcast is back!
An amazing video from two amazing content creators! Thank you for this!
Such a great episode. Please make more like this one in the future. We need more of this.
I’ve been one of ‘Joel’s boys’ sometimes but I’m loving this channel. Enjoyed 4/5 engrossing conversations here last couple days.
WOW! I have watched this video three times and have found something new to think about every time. Excellent content.
Ok, you both are in our brains and finally said what we (or at least me) have no words for.
Oh man, this is a crossover I did not expect but I am 👏 here 👏 for 👏 it 👏
I like how you try to describe breadtube without calling it breadtube
I was thinking the same thing 😂😭
Wow, I find these takes on self-help very interesting. Thanks for collab'ing and bringing this valuable content to the forefront
Loved this conversation. I’m going to watch Big Joel right now.
This was a weird pairing. I really really enjoyed it.
Karolina Żebrowska on TFD is what I want and need in 2021
Wow did not expect the collab!
OMG I laughed so hard "if any of our boys are watching" LOL
Well, this explains how TFD got into my recommendations. Good video, you two worked really well together.
As a viewer of both these channels, this discussion was just awesome. Much more intricate than I even expected. Thanks!
I’m glad I found this interview. I have never heard of Big Joel but I will check his channel out. I have the same insecurities he does about touching his money. I just hoard it but don’t invest it because I’m honestly scared. I come from a working class family and I was never taught how to invest or grow my money. I do have a 401k but it’s a target date funds but I heard those are full of hidden fees, idk.
on another peterson note, he doesnt understand, that direct democracy, is the ultimate expression of "personal responsibility".
Wow this conversation is mega chill, you guys rock
Credit cards are being used as a bandaid for the fact that people's wages are either stagnant or in decline but the market still needs consumers...
That's one of the catch-22s of our system where companies have the legal responsibility to maximize shareholder's investment which one of the largest cost is labor though labor is also the consumer base they depend on for the profits....
Is it weird that I'm a man who watches the Financial Diet and I've never seen Big Joel?
Not weird but apparently uncommon
I really enjoy Big Joel videos like the Art of Ambivalence. Great to see you two collab
LOVE Big Joel. Thanks for putting this together.
I went from Big Joel to Chomsky and Richard Wolf really quick lol, you're all doing great work.
Thank you for speaking about this 🤍 need to really audit where you get your information from and learn to think critically for yourself!
I am one of The Boys (TM) that he has brought over, and I am now subscribed. This was really interesting!
Great video! I would love to see another newer TH-camr, Khadija Mbowe, on TFC! She's an awesome social commentary essayist. Super fun and informative.
Yes! Love Khadijah’s videos!
Loved the crossover, great conversation!
Incredible podcast! Would love to see a new podcast with Henry if that's possible!
Yooo one of the boys, reporting in. Great podcast! No Peterson comment though. Sorry to disappoint :-
Wow... This isna crossover I'd never expected but I'm so glad it exists
I've watched your channel since I was in high school. I'm majoring in Financial Planning now and one of my dreams is to be interviewed by you one day once I have my CFP!
I love both of your channels so much! So glad to see you two working together.
Holy shit, I was not expecting a crossover like THIS.
Wow the channel title sounds like something I wouldn't care about but I clicked thru for Big Joel, turns out this lady is smart and awesome and interesting. I have now subscribed. Meanwhile am I the only Big Joel fan who had no idea his name wasn't Joel?? :O
I'm so happy that the financial confessions is back :) Please consider getting Hannah Louise Poston on the Podcast. She's a youtuber who struggled with shopping addiction and had to give up her small business due to the pandemic. I would be really interested in a conversation between the two of you.
A thousand times this!!!
When Chelsae can't find a word, her pronunciation of 'uh' starts skewing french, as if she is considering breaking into another language to say what she means. I want more videos of Chelsae speaking French, whatever that may look like.
There was so many amazing insights in this discussion.
Marvel: Infinity War is the most ambitious crossover of all time.
TFD: Hold my Fbomb.
Patiently awaiting the thought slime or philosophy tube episode.
I would loooove to see thought slime
Fantastic discussion. Thank you
A strange but wonderful crossover I support and didn't know I needed
I love Big Joel’s work on School of Life.
yay I just found big joel. this was a great interview :)
The collab I never knew I needed
AWww Big Joel!!! Yay I love this collab!!!
This was excellent. Love Big Joel!
What a great conversation!
The thing about conservative self help that very useful is a core message that "You have to work for your success". Not that the system isn't rigged, but that regardless of the system, you will only have success if you work make progress in your own path and own success. Work to improve the system, the government, and your society, but if you wait for the government to make systematic changes before improving yourself, you will die waiting and most the changes won't substantially change your lot in life anyway. For instance, Dave Ramsey is advises people to pay off their student loans an not wait for the civil servant grant after 25 years of carrying the loans or count on the democrats to cancel all debt, but to pay it off themselves as fast as they can because that freedom from debt is guaranteed vs waiting for the government to grant you a free pass.
Where it goes wrong is where it persuades you not to try to improve the system. Or that the present dog-eat-dog system is actually better than one with affordable health care, consumer protections, and debt-free college.
@@vintagewriting but they are not trying to persuade you to not change the system nor saying the system is perfect. Where did you even hear that?
The very definition of conservative is “adverse to change and innovation.”
The difference is that Dave Ramsey is giving practical advice which are generally sound without hiding his core values whereas modern gurus like Peterson are attracting people with good-enough sounding advice in order to propagate their ideology. You can be conservative and a decent person. Dave Ramsey is like the stubborn bossy dad with good intentions and sound advice we wish we had whereas Peterson is feeding the anger of the "fatherless" generation for personal interrest.
@@o0laieta0o I've heard Jordan Peterson say a version of "Don't change the system, change yourself." I don't remember the exact video, but he argued that if you don't have your own crap together, you have no business focusing on systemic change. Learn how to make your bed first and repair your relationship with your brother. To me, this seemed that Jordan was saying that you can't do both at the same time.
Hey! I have watched both you and Jordan Peterson and find you both helpful, but Peterson helped to pull me out of severe depression and turn my life around.
Ya I'm really not understanding the antipathy towards Jordan Peterson.
@@lancewalker2595 Joel made a whole video about it. Probably his best one too.
@@eggynack Ya, so basically... politics? Politics is the reason I shouldn't let Jordan Peterson inspire me out of a suicidal depression?
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Fuck that.
@@lancewalker2595 A fundamental concern of Joel's video is actually how Peterson functions within the context of self help.
@@lancewalker2595 you are allowed to recognize that something helpful to you and still be critical of it
UNEXPECTED COLLAB BUT SOOO HERE FOR THIS
Karolina and any of the breadtubers you mentioned would be amazing guests. Bernadette Banner is another costuber who occasionally talks about socioeconomics in the middle of a video of Victorian corsets and the like; she'd be an interesting guest too.
I remember a couple weeks ago when Joel watched a TFD video and didn't know y'all! How the turntables 😂