@@robchrisaustinsteve they’re letting Clevinger & Minea go…that’s $50M right there…Snell and Darvish are FA at the end of 23…they’ll probably resign Darvish…but that’s about $75M right there. Plenty of $$ to go after DeGrom and Ohtani…AND they’re not afraid to spend it…
When did Musgrove go to his ears??? There is no clip of him doing that. Padres should have the umps check the Mets bats for having too many holes in them.
I don’t think the Mets execs were reading twitter. He was most likely informed that all Joe’s spin rates were elevated compared to his average. Then he look out and saw his big shiny ears.
Desperate old man with a desperate move trying to cling to a 101 win season everyone kept saying was special, they were never gonna have the balls to stand up to the Braves 💯
In Hockey if you ask the ref to check someone's stick, someone is going to the penalty box. Either the illegal stick owner or a player from the accuser. I say 3 strikes carried over to the next batter.
I like how people are acting like his ears were not unnatural looking. It looked like he had rubbed them up with chicken grease. I definitely would've had him checked. Have you ever seen that, a guy's ears glowing like Rudolph's nose? Never heard of somebody sweating from their ears...bizarre.
Why didn't the Mets manager address this with umpires between innings instead of deliberately walking out in the middle of the inning. It appears he was purposely attempting to create an incident and slander Musgrove. There is this thing called adrenaline, maybe it's just me but it stands to reason it would affect spin rates.
Mets fans would have killed Buck if he didn’t at-least check. People are like “It looks desperate”. Well, you were getting 1 hit in an elimination game and the opposing pitcher was dealing. I would say you’re PRETTY DESPERATE. Your staff notices something, so you get him checked out. If it is something, he gets kicked out and maybe you’re able to gain some momentum against a different pitcher. If it’s not, then the game continues and you hope maybe it throws Musgrove off. It’s no different than the Padres calling time constantly to mess with Bassitt’s rhythm. It’s mind games. Honestly don’t see why people are making a big deal about this.
Padres are a good team man. Even though I believe they underperformed this season, there’s a reason why this team was a favorite before the year to win it all.
If the mgr that requested the check is wrong, the team should lose their challenge. If the team has no challenge, they shouldn’t be allowed to ask for a check. Treat it as a replay challenge. Simple.
I think they should have a consequence for being wrong but I agree with buck if they think something is up check him ...I don't think there is a problem.
He should not have been checked simply because if a opposing manager's request. They were just trying to get in his head and break up his rhythm. Bush league BS really.
As a Padre fan... you didn't hurt my feelings BUCK!!! but you sure looked stupid and desperate there!!!! 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 The 100+ win Mets .... WHATEVER.
Buck took a sad Yankees franchise and turned them into a dynasty, took a beginning Diamondbacks franchise and turned them into contenders, got the Baltimore Orioles almost to the World Series after being terrible for over a decade, and just turned the trash Mets franchise around in 1 season....Anybody who knows baseball knows what an incredible baseball mind that guy is
@@2299mikey You think the Diamondbacks and Orioles were spending money? The Orioles were in the same division as the Yankees and Red Sox and still won that division. And the Mets have always spent money and still sucked haha. I wasn't of intelligence-mind in the 90's because I was too young, so I don't know what the Yankees were spending. But they were complete jokes until Showalter got there
Why was this allowed to happen? Well, you see, the Pads aren't _supposed_ to win, so that's why deGrom was getting balls three inches off the plate called strikes and Snell couldn't get balls that literally weren't even touching the black. So, when Buck comes out to ask for a check, the umps say, "Well, the Mets are _supposed_ to win, so sure, let's check him." Simple as that. When you live constantly with the bias against you (as all SD fans do, we even get our teams taken away from us) you start to see it for what it is. Not only do we have to be better than the other team, but we have to be so much better that we beat the umps too.
Idk, i kinda disagree. A manager shouldnt have to be worried about consequences if he has reason to believes someone is cheating. Then again, using it as a stalling tactic or as a mind game or whatever thats a no go too...
Buck didn't want to do it, not sure who upstairs forced his hand but Buck was clearly ashamed of having done it. It's one of those moments you can't take back that everyone is going to remember years down the road.
I disagree. Buck did it because he either was hinted something, or he was trying to throw Musgrove off. He was trying to get something going. I don't regret him doing it. It was the right thing to do.
The only problem with a penalty like Rich is if the stuff turns out to be a shadow or dirt or whatever. It's not an illegal substance, so technically you could assess the penalty, even if there was just cause.
@@mhj5108 this sums your team up; every year a few teams win a 100 games. Have to go back to 1995 for the last time to loss a 10 game division lead. So the metes our in the history books for the wrong reasons. Mets have 4 of 5 starting pitchers going to fee agency; Edwin Diaz, Brandon Nimmo, Seth Lugo all could either be leaving or costing a lot more money. Mets the way it looks could be the 3rd best team in the division in 2023 easily need to take advantage of your window to win.
1000% agree. Youre protecting alonso with mark canha??? They dealt JD davis along with 4 other players for darin ruf??? That was subtraction by subtraction. Disaster. Mets messed up the deadline for sure.
My question is what would have happened if they found an illegal substance? Is the entire game forfeit? Do they replay the game? Would only the pitcher be thrown out in that scenario?
Pitcher would of been thrown out and there would of been a lot of talk how the Padres cheated to win the series. But no, the game would not be replayed.
Calm down. His team was being shut out. It was worth a try. Remember Jay Howell in 1988? Didn't work this time, but no biggie. Showalter did his job as he said.
I'm a diehard Mets fan, I have zero problem with what Buck did and neither would a fan of any other team period. Desperate? Yes. It's called gamesmanship and what do you think the Padres were doing by stepping out three times an at bat? Buck had to give it a shot, maybe rattle him. Dude was pitching a perfect game at the time. Did I like it? No. What does it mean in the scope of things? Nothing. Mets didn't hit period. Like the last month of the season. The move is also not embarrassing, the performance of the team is embarrassing
LFGSD‼️👏👏👏enjoy watching us from home 😂😂😂🤎💛🤎💛 Love that they thought Joe was cheating! There is no way he can actually be that good???? Better go back and watch some tape and re-evaluate Padres starting pitching staff rankings, just saying 😂😂😂
I mean he was apart of the cheating Astros team so. I’m glad the fans went along with it and started jeering him. It fired him up but NY sports fans love to make enemies and Mushroom is a NY enemy now 😂
@@KrispyChurro like I said… Enjoy watching us beat the dodgers from Queens….. I loved watching your pathetic sad faces taking the walk of shame back to the subway
Congratulations rich this is possibly the worst take I’ve ever heard. Lose an OUT if an ump says he can’t find anything?! 1. Just because they didn’t find anything doesn’t mean someone isn’t cheating (not talking this case just in general) 2. If a football coach brings something to a refs attention and ref doesn’t find anything are you gonna run 3 minutes off the clock?
I don't have any issue with the ear's check. I saw the same thing and if you would not make use of the data and analogy system, then why have it. Baseball puritan-playing saints, give me a break.
Shiny ears, increased spin rate, equals having him checked. Everybody criticizing him for looking, but what if he was dirty and they found it? Buck would have looked like a Hero.
buck was checking balls in the first inning, clearly they thought something was up (before joe even threw a pitch). no rich, it was the twitter chatter you goof
The repercussions should have been that Showalter was IMMEDIATELY thrown out of the game for being wrong, simple as that. This needs to be made into a new rule starting next year.
I don't think it was a classy move; had he believed it he should have had the umpires check him coming off the field. Won't have gotten the attention and nobody might have known. Now it just looked really bad and desperate move. Teams have memories Showalter players have to be prepared for something in the future once Buck did this that in a key game etc. that Buck's team might get checked for something. I really like Buck but I think this move looked really bad, stupid and non professional
JOE MUSGOAT, LETS GO 619
I find it interesting that Rich is a Yankees fan 🤔. Most of the Jets fans I've met are Mets fans. Most Giants are Yankees fans.
No one cares about your anecdotes
that's how God wants it
How many people do you know that are *Mets Jets and Nets* fans lol
@@flelite3994 Never thought to ask that one 😆
Jets and Mets shared the old Shea Stadium.
His spin rate was even better after the check. Explain that.
Higher Velo=Higher Spin rate. Musgrove was pissed. Lol.
Guess what? DeGrom will sign with the Pads. Owner has $$…not afraid to spend it…play/live in SD…great stadium…best fans…
Beautiful city
Not best fans but everything else is true
No way. They don’t have any more $ for that. Even re signing clevinger is gonna be an issue
@@maesjohnny8878 Also it's a nice stadium, not a great stadium. Been there about 7-8 times.
@@robchrisaustinsteve they’re letting Clevinger & Minea go…that’s $50M right there…Snell and Darvish are FA at the end of 23…they’ll probably resign Darvish…but that’s about $75M right there. Plenty of $$ to go after DeGrom and Ohtani…AND they’re not afraid to spend it…
Buck " Joe's throw a hella of game, he deserves a ear massage"
Ump " I'll do it!"
Have fun watching from the couch 😂
The ump was supposed to find a quarter behind his ear.
Like a creepy uncle.
You gotta dig inside it to find the good stuff
"we did not lose! Your pitcher had shiny ears!" 😂
😭😭😭🤣🤣💀💀💀
U not only lost...but w statements like that...ur a lose-r
no one said that except for you and your made up quotations
@@melian2321 found the salty Mets fan 🤣
It's called SWEAT!
When a team loses or wins a series it's because of good pitching and timely hitting
When did Musgrove go to his ears??? There is no clip of him doing that. Padres should have the umps check the Mets bats for having too many holes in them.
Manny Machado wants an ear massage too
Desperation move.
I'm a year late, but you're right. If the manager pulls a stunt like that, and is wrong, he leaves the game: throw him out!
I don’t think the Mets execs were reading twitter. He was most likely informed that all Joe’s spin rates were elevated compared to his average. Then he look out and saw his big shiny ears.
Almost every pitcher that pitched during wild card round had a raise in rpm’s and velocity
Stakes are higher in the playoffs. These guys are maxing out even more because their leash is so much shorter.
Desperate old man with a desperate move trying to cling to a 101 win season everyone kept saying was special, they were never gonna have the balls to stand up to the Braves 💯
Wow great shoutout to jomboy Rich!
Buck literally admits he was getting his butt kicked and that’s why he pulled that stunt
New York just can’t handle losing to San Diego in anything
San Diego isn’t as real city, it’s North Tijuana
@@FatBichon Then Los Angeles must be Mexico city
@@FatBichon north Tijuana is not a real city
NO NO JOE!!!!!!
Should cost a review
Reminded me of Naked Gun I was just waiting for the umpire to do the splits at home plate 😂😂
Maybe a little dance after a strike call.
LMAO that’s a good one 🤣🤣🤣
Rob Manfred will have the pitchers taking offer their pants next season to check for ball size.
The penalty should be: the requesting team should lose thier challenge for the game.
They should lose a challenge if they ask to check a pitcher and find nothing.
In Hockey if you ask the ref to check someone's stick, someone is going to the penalty box. Either the illegal stick owner or a player from the accuser. I say 3 strikes carried over to the next batter.
Mets coach is still thinking about musgrove to this day 😂
I like how people are acting like his ears were not unnatural looking. It looked like he had rubbed them up with chicken grease. I definitely would've had him checked. Have you ever seen that, a guy's ears glowing like Rudolph's nose? Never heard of somebody sweating from their ears...bizarre.
Why didn't the Mets manager address this with umpires between innings instead of deliberately walking out in the middle of the inning. It appears he was purposely attempting to create an incident and slander Musgrove. There is this thing called adrenaline, maybe it's just me but it stands to reason it would affect spin rates.
Mets fans would have killed Buck if he didn’t at-least check. People are like “It looks desperate”. Well, you were getting 1 hit in an elimination game and the opposing pitcher was dealing. I would say you’re PRETTY DESPERATE. Your staff notices something, so you get him checked out. If it is something, he gets kicked out and maybe you’re able to gain some momentum against a different pitcher. If it’s not, then the game continues and you hope maybe it throws Musgrove off. It’s no different than the Padres calling time constantly to mess with Bassitt’s rhythm. It’s mind games. Honestly don’t see why people are making a big deal about this.
Calling time in the box is the same as a baseless cheating accusation? Whatever helps you sleep at night bud.
Mets are gonna Met and their ears are gonna ear
Mets made a major mistake from the beginning - they overlooked their opponent.
Dont think thats the case at all.
Padres are a good team man.
Even though I believe they underperformed this season, there’s a reason why this team was a favorite before the year to win it all.
@@VodkaIsGood4U it was the impression they gave…debating about saving Degrom for the Dodger series even before the 1st Padre game
FIRST TIME EVER, I have heard honesty about the ears. "We own the league, the umps. the strike zone, you do what we say. Go check his ears NOW!"
This can only happen in baseball. It's a strange game.
explain the mets collapsing and giving the division to the braves?
Cork the bats again if we can’t get coaches to check these things
Your ears get red if you have elevated blood pressure.
I was there n it was the only time the crowd got loud 😅 n u Yankees time is coming real soon
If the mgr that requested the check is wrong, the team should lose their challenge. If the team has no challenge, they shouldn’t be allowed to ask for a check.
Treat it as a replay challenge. Simple.
Last ditch effort by NY
What the Mets should have checked, was their talent level and commitment to winning.
I mean they're committed to winning it's just they don't have the right people making the decisions.
Why is no one talking about Maxs hat in game 1
Cuz 4 padres hit bombs off him, hard to assume someone is cheating if they're playing like trash
bc max has always had a dirty hat for his entire career. nothing sticky just max
They was shiny sum was up
Mlb created this mess. Buck is just playing the game
I think they should have a consequence for being wrong but I agree with buck if they think something is up check him ...I don't think there is a problem.
It’s not you think there is a problem, it’s you better damn know there is a problem. No ambiguity.
Mets were desperate and their batting was ice cold in game 3.
Makes me think you should check the met's ears. Takes one to know one.
Have a team of umpires rub down the players between innings
Velocity up, shiny ears? Should you not ask? What was Rich’s take with yanks vs astros I’m curious
Didn't touch his ears once 🤷🤦🏻
Another Pittsburgh Pirate has a great outing in the post season…for another team
Yeah the pirates have a great team playing everywhere but Pittsburgh.
I agree there should be a penalty for doing that you lose an out. There's already mechanisms in place to check pitchers for banned substances.
The umpires are barely touching the pitchers’ hands. It is not even a thorough search anymore.
Musgrove never touched his ears in the game.
sure
If Musgrove was black there would be pressure today for buck to resign.
They get checked every inning
As a fan no they shouldn’t
Nothing wrong with checking to see if the pitcher is using illegal substances o gain an advantage
Had Musgrove periodically touched his ears, then it would have been an issue. Totally ridiculous!
Well it wasn’t sweat. It was 48 degrees in Queens
Good thing Andrew Siciliano isn't a pitcher.
I mean how else are the umps gonna check, if they allow the check at all? Are they gonna give them a lick?
That’s what I was thinking. These guys are over exaggerating about it being a “massage”
He should not have been checked simply because if a opposing manager's request. They were just trying to get in his head and break up his rhythm. Bush league BS really.
@@shanewooll8654 I'm talking about if they are going to do a check at all, hence me saying " _if they allow the check at all_ "
With the size of those ears I'm surprised the umps didn't find him hiding doctored baseballs in there 🤣😂
As a Padre fan... you didn't hurt my feelings BUCK!!! but you sure looked stupid and desperate there!!!! 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 🤣 😂 😹 😆 The 100+ win Mets .... WHATEVER.
Savage 😂
Buck took a sad Yankees franchise and turned them into a dynasty, took a beginning Diamondbacks franchise and turned them into contenders, got the Baltimore Orioles almost to the World Series after being terrible for over a decade, and just turned the trash Mets franchise around in 1 season....Anybody who knows baseball knows what an incredible baseball mind that guy is
@@jacobmiller6341 buck showalter has 2 playoff series wins in 21 years as a Manager
@@jacobmiller6341 it’s amazing what happens when teams spend tons of money.
@@2299mikey You think the Diamondbacks and Orioles were spending money? The Orioles were in the same division as the Yankees and Red Sox and still won that division. And the Mets have always spent money and still sucked haha. I wasn't of intelligence-mind in the 90's because I was too young, so I don't know what the Yankees were spending. But they were complete jokes until Showalter got there
Why was this allowed to happen? Well, you see, the Pads aren't _supposed_ to win, so that's why deGrom was getting balls three inches off the plate called strikes and Snell couldn't get balls that literally weren't even touching the black. So, when Buck comes out to ask for a check, the umps say, "Well, the Mets are _supposed_ to win, so sure, let's check him." Simple as that. When you live constantly with the bias against you (as all SD fans do, we even get our teams taken away from us) you start to see it for what it is. Not only do we have to be better than the other team, but we have to be so much better that we beat the umps too.
You can have the Chargers & Clippers back anytime you want. Never wanted them in LA period.
That was disgusting. I hope the Mets fire him!
Who, Buck? Cohen probably ordered him to do it.
Rich how you a Jets and Yankees fan don’t make sense fam lol
So he use red hot for every game because every outing his ears are red
Idk, i kinda disagree. A manager shouldnt have to be worried about consequences if he has reason to believes someone is cheating. Then again, using it as a stalling tactic or as a mind game or whatever thats a no go too...
Buck didn't want to do it, not sure who upstairs forced his hand but Buck was clearly ashamed of having done it. It's one of those moments you can't take back that everyone is going to remember years down the road.
I disagree. Buck did it because he either was hinted something, or he was trying to throw Musgrove off. He was trying to get something going. I don't regret him doing it. It was the right thing to do.
Like G Cohen said
U do that...u BETTER be right...ie Billy Martin in pine tar game...at least he was right
No one is remembering a first round series between the Mets and Padres lol
Musgrove's spin rates during that game were like career highs. I don't think Buck deserves to get chastised for wanting a check.
The spin rates were up for the Mets as well. Also the velocity was up and more velo means more spin. IDk seems weak and pathetic.
Penalty should be Manager is ejected for the remainder of the game.
I love Buck, but what happened last night was childish. Take you “L” and go home.
The only problem with a penalty like Rich is if the stuff turns out to be a shadow or dirt or whatever. It's not an illegal substance, so technically you could assess the penalty, even if there was just cause.
Umpire: Buck, we didn’t find any foreign substances in Musgrove’s possession. Your team just can’t hit.
Clearly a sign of desperation from Showalter
“His spin rate was up, and his ears were glistening” those are called undisputed facts 😊
He one hit the Mets. That's an undisputed fact too.
How about if they found something at that moment? It's 4 to 0 and 5 shut out innings pitched. What does mlb do especially if the Mets still lose?
I also confuse what will happen if they find something
Ding ding ding that's why if Showalter was serious about it he would have done this in the 2nd or 3rd after he was fondling Joe's balls in the dugout
The Mets gone fishing now. Maybe next year. Not!! 😂😂😂 The Padres ruled those Mets.
The real question is should the mets have gone with a better game plan or done any mid season trades to get better?????
They won 101 games how much better can you get? The Padres just played better & got hot at the right time.
@@mhj5108 this sums your team up; every year a few teams win a 100 games. Have to go back to 1995 for the last time to loss a 10 game division lead. So the metes our in the history books for the wrong reasons.
Mets have 4 of 5 starting pitchers going to fee agency; Edwin Diaz, Brandon Nimmo, Seth Lugo all could either be leaving or costing a lot more money. Mets the way it looks could be the 3rd best team in the division in 2023 easily need to take advantage of your window to win.
@@mhj5108 nope mets got cold at the wrong time
1000% agree. Youre protecting alonso with mark canha??? They dealt JD davis along with 4 other players for darin ruf??? That was subtraction by subtraction. Disaster. Mets messed up the deadline for sure.
They got cold at the wrong time.
My question is what would have happened if they found an illegal substance? Is the entire game forfeit? Do they replay the game? Would only the pitcher be thrown out in that scenario?
Pitcher would of been thrown out and there would of been a lot of talk how the Padres cheated to win the series. But no, the game would not be replayed.
@@jakedrada5574 that’s fucked. I don’t get why a league would allow obvious cheating, but I guess I already knew that with the Astros and Red Sox.
They have a party 🎉 😂
@@MrMgkman13 i wouldn’t say they are allowing it but they sure as hell wouldn’t change the result of a game. Has a major sport ever done that?
Calm down. His team was being shut out. It was worth a try. Remember Jay Howell in 1988? Didn't work this time, but no biggie. Showalter did his job as he said.
His ears looked like 2 fn glazed donuts…it was strange looking
Go padres
Too bad they didn’t find any Crisco or Geritol.
I'm a diehard Mets fan, I have zero problem with what Buck did and neither would a fan of any other team period. Desperate? Yes. It's called gamesmanship and what do you think the Padres were doing by stepping out three times an at bat? Buck had to give it a shot, maybe rattle him. Dude was pitching a perfect game at the time. Did I like it? No. What does it mean in the scope of things? Nothing. Mets didn't hit period. Like the last month of the season. The move is also not embarrassing, the performance of the team is embarrassing
they were stepping out cuz Bassitt wouldn't throw a pitch 😂 but yes, the move was embarrassing. I get it though.
It seemed, in the moment, like a soar loser taking a swipe at the man beating him in any way he could. It was pathetic.
Embarrassing move by Buck ....Same old Buck🤣🤣🤣🤣
LFGSD‼️👏👏👏enjoy watching us from home 😂😂😂🤎💛🤎💛
Love that they thought Joe was cheating! There is no way he can actually be that good????
Better go back and watch some tape and re-evaluate Padres starting pitching staff rankings, just saying 😂😂😂
I mean he was apart of the cheating Astros team so. I’m glad the fans went along with it and started jeering him. It fired him up but NY sports fans love to make enemies and Mushroom is a NY enemy now 😂
@@KrispyChurro like I said…
Enjoy watching us beat the dodgers from Queens…..
I loved watching your pathetic sad faces taking the walk of shame back to the subway
Hitters cant hit.Nothing you can do.I don't blame Bucky for trying everything possible to break the mojo.
Congratulations rich this is possibly the worst take I’ve ever heard. Lose an OUT if an ump says he can’t find anything?!
1. Just because they didn’t find anything doesn’t mean someone isn’t cheating (not talking this case just in general)
2. If a football coach brings something to a refs attention and ref doesn’t find anything are you gonna run 3 minutes off the clock?
I don't have any issue with the ear's check. I saw the same thing and if you would not make use of the data and analogy system, then why have it. Baseball puritan-playing saints, give me a break.
What a shifty stunt to pull
Shiny ears, increased spin rate, equals having him checked. Everybody criticizing him for looking, but what if he was dirty and they found it? Buck would have looked like a Hero.
buck was checking balls in the first inning, clearly they thought something was up (before joe even threw a pitch). no rich, it was the twitter chatter you goof
that was just Buck's backup plan in case the Mets went down early, which they did
The idea the Mets should have been penalized is ridiculous. Buck was totally within the rules to ask for a check. Besides, whose ears shine like that?
So wat happens if a pitcher wears one of those wr gloves? Would that be consider it’s cheating?
Pitchers get checked every inning. Buck basically calling Musgrove & Padres cheaters. Can’t wait to see you Buck at Petco !
The repercussions should have been that Showalter was IMMEDIATELY thrown out of the game for being wrong, simple as that. This needs to be made into a new rule starting next year.
His nose was also quite shiny. The guy sweats like crazy.
👂 👂 😂
I don't think it was a classy move; had he believed it he should have had the umpires check him coming off the field. Won't have gotten the attention and nobody might have known. Now it just looked really bad and desperate move.
Teams have memories Showalter players have to be prepared for something in the future once Buck did this that in a key game etc. that Buck's team might get checked for something.
I really like Buck but I think this move looked really bad, stupid and non professional
It’s a conspEARicy !