Inside South Africa's Youth Reformatories (2001)
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- Reformatory Boys (2001) - For juvenile offenders, reformatory is the last stop when all else has failed. We enter the secret world of a South African reformatory, a place where inmates use violence and blackmail to jostle for power.
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On the recommendation of their arresting officer and the Commissioner of Child Welfare, the court sends heroin addicts Jurie (14) and Eric (17) to Ethokomala Reformatory. It is their very last chance to break free from the life that has imprisoned them. For the first time in their short lives the boys' days are strictly regimented and they are back in school for the first time in two years, their movements supervised round the clock. They have now been off heroin for more than 4 months but this does not mean they have been rehabilitated psychologically and emotionally. Will reformatory discipline may not be enough to help them once they are sent back to Pretoria? For Eric and Jurie it may be a very temporary respite from the unpredictable demands of the street.
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Back then, people will look at you in a strange way if you did drugs, today they look at you in a strange way if you DONT do drugs.
I mean this is heroin mate. bit on the higher end
@Donnell Okafor depends what drugs to be fair and the moderation that person has with them, they are not always a negative thing in my opinion. Similar to that concept of drinking alcohol in reason.
@Donnell Okafor I'm not referring to hard drugs such as heroin / meth / crack
@Donnell Okafor when did he ever say hard drugs?
It’s cyclical and also dependent on where you live. All drugs go through phases, Cocaine in particular.
I used to be in that same life. I feel them. I used to steal and run streets of Jozi and Cape town, but after prison and support from loved ones was able to find a path forward in my life.
That's great man keep it up.. the little things of life mater..the smiles the love.. it's more to life then the things we experience. Keep your head up and when you are 80 be proud of who you were
Awesome bro👌🏽
Bro, idk how old you are but im from Belgium, i will give you a huge gem of life experience. I hope you take it and remember it forever.
We all know, once an addict, always an addict. Meaning that the thought will frequently return, i am sure you experienced that.
Once you get older, you can back off from the urge more right?...
Because when they get older, their thoughts become... "Oh it's not that hard now, i will be able to use once and then stop bc i am mentally way stronger."
And it's nothing but another trap just waiting to happen. Once you're free. Make it simple, no other options, just stay away from it. I promise you that you won't end up regretting it ehen you say no. But when you don't, you are always over again opening the books just one more time to end up regretting it.
Peace.
Bless you👏👏👏
❤ Dear Dominic❗ The SAFEST way through life is if you stick VERY CLOSE TO GOD and OBEY HIS COMMANDS❗ ✝ Then you will be safe❗ Forever❗
These are the days of real journalism when no one pulled wool over our eyes. We are walking around like sheep not knowing how bad things are put there for innocent kids.
Special assignment was fantastic hey. I wonder if this school is still around.
Its still there but not sure if they are still operating
Corporate media has taken over journalism
Delusional
Delusion thinking about the glory days of journalism.. Be thankful for the internet it's the best form of true journalism we have from real people.. Otherwise normal journalism hasn't been changed and has actually been more politically fulled
Poverty is ugly, everything about it is ugly. Even if the mother wanted to be a good mother there is no way she can when she needs to hustle for survival. It's a cycle that will repeat itself until economic reform happens.
You don't need money to teach values
@@francoisvanaardt1721 You don't need money to do so, but, without food, water and a stable home, it becomes unbearable. I lived in South Africa, though not in these circumstances, but I saw a lot, the scale is unimaginable.
the impact of generational and personal trauma and poverty on someones upbringing and adolescence are horrific and systemic. "Teaching values" as if it were that simple.
@@francoisvanaardt1721 poverty is not money. It's a state of mind.
Don't worry it's okay we'll all die eventually
The boy holding his stuffed monkey breaks my bloody heart. ☹️
He's a kid at heart.
Yes 😔
Just a pity it is so dated. I would like to see how it is now in 2019, 18 years later. Back then the social services infrastructure of South Africa was still pretty much intact.
Dead or long term inmates.
@@user-jr2ue9nu6y he's not talking about results, which is probably quite varying, he's talking about what SA is doing today. This institution is result of Europeans, he wants too see what the Africans managed to do in the 18 years that past.
@@hej4313 I have family in SA and I visit often. Such social services simply don't exist there anymore. The drug addicts and criminals pile up in the city slums, and the situation will only get worse over time.
@@anonrandom7765 I visited 7 years ago, I had the same impression, all though government seemed to be building better housing for the most poor at the time.
hej well how are the Africans/modern South African government supposed to form any social programs when the majority of the country’s wealth is not spread out evenly amongst the people (or even race) and those same people who are rich don’t pay a far tax and live in gated communities that do not give back to the community
that was in 2001.......Anybody imagining what things are like now I will tell you as I live in Gauteng........It is a BILLION! times worse now......
What do you mean by billion times worse?
Sad ..
What are doing to change the situation...?
@@isiqhwaga_sangakini6814 they lie for lols man we love to make our lives seem deep
Ek stem... Ek is ook in gauteng
Pete is a true Godly man.
Almost cried with him.
A testimant to the power of prayer. But for the grace of God that would have been us or our children
Me 2
💯
This is honestly just sad as a South African how a 14 year old is a drug addict
Poor guidance, no structure at home makes it easy for kids to turn to the streets
It would be great if we could get an update on them and even a new documentary.
i want to open a village for kids like this. it is heartbreaking.
@michael x shut up !
michael x I know , all whites should be in a all white country and all blacks in black only. I wonder who will have the nicer country? Hahaha pmsl 😆
@Terrier Rat You are high on something very strong, racism maybe?
Village?
That’s kind
I was at a reformatory school, Atlantis Nywerheidskool,if it was not for the grace of the Lord I do not know where I could have been.
I was sent there because of bunking school for three years. Today I am married 20 years with two kids.
I am a lecturer at one of our South African Universities.
I saw all my sins when a group of gangsters wanted to murder me I called out to the Lord and He altered time in a way that I escaped those gangsters.
I gave my life to Christ when I was 14 at the reformatory school.
I thank God for my life. These schools does not help all. Some kids even committed suicide. Give your lives to Christ, its the only way.
Voel baie jammer vir die laaities.
I'm happy for you man ❤
Amen 🙏
Hallelujah ✝️
Glory be to God✝️❤ Glad you heard God's calling. Wishing you all the best sir. Love from Ethiopia.
Bless you brother
Thank you so much for sharing your testimony. So happy that you found life in CHRIST. May the LORD bless you sir.🤍
20 years later. I wonder where they are.
I hope they aight
My husband and I worked at a place for Youth at Risk, not nearly as bad as this one. (for twenty years!) But even the bad kids come right, in a fashion, if they get the love they need. BUT before discipline you have to get them to at least like you, then they will listen. But they do find love and caring strange, as they have never had that before. But they enjoy it. Like star charts for cleaning their places (These are pre -criminals, or criminals that love to get stars, and Easter eggs, and a chocolate for coming first in something). I also blame the parents.
Wonder what happened to these two boys. Heartbreaking even in 2021. I hope they are still alive.
Not a chance some a definitely dead
The street life in south Africa is harsh ....uts doubtfully that such young users made it out alive or even just better
@@Jacestation if they were dealers maybe there was a chance but for users nope
Most likely murdered other innocent people. This is the life in S.Africa.
@@TheVideoBin it happens everywhere ....this is unfortunately not a problem unique to SA
A quality piece of journalism, this. From SABC's Special Assignment team. Thank you. Fast-forward by 20 years ( to the year 2021 ), one can only imagine the living conditions in those reformatories. If it was heartbreaking in 2001, imagine what it must be like today, during the COVID-19 era...
The last reformatories were closed by 2002. These days most youth offenders are sentenced to some form of alternative measures, or (if they are a real problem) they’ll be detained in youth sections of various adult prisons.
@@scottwarwick7514At the time this video was made there was a level of compassion from the staff towards the boys.
Doubt that exists now.
@@scottwarwick7514 anc closed all these places to milk money
No matter skin colour....drugs kill...God bless protect these children...
New discovery?
not dong much to help then
God bless these young men I hope they are doing well and alive here in 2019
I hope too
Me to
Most are deciesed
Yeah, no I think they are done.
@@dg-qn5mihow do you know?
Unfortunately the majority of them ended up in the prison, it's sad truth all over the world
I'm a teacher and work with kids that has similar issues, poverty, broken homes, abuse and some are also involved in crimes. It's really sad and it seems like these kids have no way of living an normal life. It's heartbreaking to hear their stories. Most of the time the parents are not in a position to even help themselves. It feels like a hopeless situation, but i always remind my students that this is not forever. Education is a way out. Try to do your best at school so you can get a good job and start your own life. Its very important to me that kids are happy, comfortable and feel safe in my class.
thanks for all the good work you do !!
Happy. Comfortable and feeling safe.... Your one stupid teacher
This is so sad. More needs to be done to help these young guys.
I feel so bad for these kids
The apathy of those incharge is astounding
Vice needs to do a 2021 version
Say what u like, I will always be gratefully that Canada took my 3 little daughters and I in 1992. Best thing I ever did for my kids. They have flourished. I have volluteered with the homeless, drug addicted and mentally ill here. Compassion. My way of giving back. I am blessed and practice gratitude. Bless u all. From an old Bluff, Durbanite xxx
God Blees yoi✝️❤
The first seven years are the ones that will define their futures. Parents are totally to blame for these tragedies
In @ perfect world, the husband would be present, alcohol free and both working to provide care and an education to their sons. This ain't that world. They're a poor broken white family grovelling in a society at the tail end of apartheid. They need compassion not condemnation.
@@MareeStone798ms You shouldnt have a child, let alone two, if you can't provide for them. I know it's not a perfect world, but bringing children into your impoverished life just makes it worse.
@@jaredprice5823 Uhmmmmm so who is to say things were like that initially? Are you clairvoyant or some other ungodly thing we should know about? The younger kid was 8 years old when the shit started, a fuck of a lot can happen in 8 years bud, you can go from living nice and comfortably and being shit stained and living on the street in far less time than that, especially if the father leaves the family behind, I mean, if the father was the provider the one day, and the next he is gone, things are not as black and white as you think they are . Yeah, there are defs people who still conceive children even if they are living in shitty circumstances, but it is sure as hell not the only way these things happen, and to condemn someone without knowing jackshit about their past is a scummy move Jared.
@@tiaan_va I see you've entered into this completely hostile. Being sarcastic and calling me scummy.
As far as discussions go, I don't think that's an effectual way of getting your points across.
I don't really see why I should respond in respect but I try to be humble in debate as best I can.
All I did was make the point that you shouldn't have children if you're impoverished. It was directed at this particular family, and you are right in saying that it may not have been that way initially. I suppose it was wrong of me to make that assumption.
However, I felt like the parents are more to blame than anyone for their situation, as do the interviewees in the documentary. I do believe that it is far more likely that things have always been bad rather than suddenly becoming bad, but ultimately I do not know.
I guess my point is that they shouldn't have had children. I sincerely believe if they had made better life and morale choices, the kids would be in a much better situation, as is with all parents. You as a father should never abandon your children, and you as a mother should never condone drug use and prostitution for them.
I understand your point, and it was wrong of me to make that assumption. But it was also wrong of you to insult me and my character the way you did. I believe in honest and respectful debate, and I feel that if you were to initiate conversation more cordially your words would hold higher weight.
@@jaredprice5823 I will 100% enter the chat in a hostile manner when addressing someone who enters a chat with prejudice against another human who you know nothing about based on your severely limited life experience. You are still a kid, you haven't seen anything yet, you have yet to experience the real world outside of the comforts you take for granted, because if you did you would never just make ignorant assumptions like that. And yet you say you shouldn't have but then continue to do so, which is mental haha. The father is too blame yeah, defs, because he had a responsibility to uphold after having kids, which he didn't do. But unjust condemnation against the mother without actually knowing the story is scummy as all hell. Unbiased assumptions like that contribute to division amongst mankind, and only lead to the world becoming slightly more shitty little by little. Where in this entire video did the mom ever condone their drug use?? Like it bothers me that, that is your first impression when judging people you don't know. She has to fucking hustle however she can to keep at least a roof over their heads, so she cannot be present in their lives for the majority of it, that isn't not caring, that is making the best of a shitty situation, the alternative being them living out on the street and everything else being even worse. When the kids were taken away, you can see the sincere sadness in her face, you can clearly see how badly she is hurting in that situation, someone like that will always want the best for their kids even if circumstances has rendered her unable to provide that to them. It's absolutely idiotic to assume things were always like this from the get go, and doing so without actual knowledge makes you someone that I will always be hostile against. So here is some advice, in the future, just keep your mouth shut if you are basing you opinion on your own personal beliefs that are not grounded in reality or supported by facts. Also, go out into the real world, take a step outside your precious bubble of privilege and go out into poverty stricken areas and get to know a few people, and listen to their stories and how they got there. Maybe, just maybe then, you will actually gain some insight into how the real world functions, and maybe mature in the way you judge people.
Most people in the World have a notion that all white folk in SA are wealthy but you can see from this video it is not the case
Too bad they didnt make use of their privilege
@@moniho6907 exactly my thoughts 😑
Poverty doesn't discriminate.
Pretori west and north, krugersdorp, brakpan, etc
This is what i keep saying. They suffer like the rest of us, in some cases even worse because they don't get employed.🤷🏾♀️
I went through so much of the same things they did, being female . . I just saw another side of it as well, but I ended up in Reformatory school, then (min-jail) 'verbetering skool' Tokai Cape town, and then a few times in jail... also 6 weeks for being caught with my then dealer boyfriend, I didn't think of family way back then, I just kept running away with the chain of thought that - I don't matter and bugger them all... - I was and still am EXTREMELY lucky to still be alive. I am 41 now and had such a huge epiphany 2 nights ago, never something I ever believed in because I even blamed God most of my life. I felt every word they said as if it was me going through it. Thanks for sharing this.
I hate when they say it's the parents fault, because in a lot of cases parents do all they can, the best they can, but it still doesn't help. My mom was the best at raising me & very supportive but I turned to a life of drugs & crime right at 12 & no matter how much she tried to stop me or help me, it was no good. All of my friends came from great homes with loving parents & could've done anything with their lives but we chose to rebel. Now 20 yrs later I've finally cleaned up my act & realized that my mom was right & I should've listened, especially now I have my own kids. At that age I thought I knew everything & I followed the peer pressure of what my so-called friends were doing. Not all kids that do this come from the stereotypical broken homes, & a lot of times the parents do all they can but to no avail. On the other hand, many times it does come from result of the child having gone thru physical, sexual & psychological trauma & abuse, but that's not all of the cases.
I hope you are okey
@@sihlesiqotyana7445 yes I’m fine now, thank you!!! ☺️
@@sihlesiqotyana7445 p.s. wow I can’t believe I wrote all that personal stuff 5 months ago!! I must’ve been feeling pretty down to pour my heart out to strangers like that! Ya I’ve had some pretty rough ups & downs but today I can actually say that I’m doing much better than before. Thank you tho!
I see what you mean, I went to an all boys school with upper middle class kids, there was an obsession with being a gangsters. My friends from the hood also had the same obsessions. I got why my hood friends did it but never the guys from school. It was weird but some actually did become criminals… allegedly
@@Tara_P_Rose good to hear x
I take exception to the stupid comments about the mother leaving the boys to do as they please. Where is the father? If she had to work as a car guard, she wouldnt have enough money for school fees or child care. Where was help for her when things started to spiral out of control? How does a mother alone control outside influences from corrupting her children If she herself is struggling?
O boo hoo f off
My mothers takes care of our family by herself don't see any needles getting injected into me
Agreed, the mother can only do so much. The father being an alcoholic and leaving is doing the most damage.
Simple use a condom she decided to get knocked up.
"Car guard" is probably code for prostitute
Please do an update. It's almost 20 years later. What happened to the boys
i dont think you want to know man
aight they are all dead. Or in another country.
Nini mxi dead in 2006 and 2008
@@sirtommyrobinsonsbitonthes7299 source?
@@sirtommyrobinsonsbitonthes7299 source please
something about a Afrikaans man raising a black kid a few years after the end of apartheid that gets me. that
is so beautiful to me
Thanks .i am the white guy .You encouraged me Thanks
@@pietuysgoodnewsgoeienuus8033 hows your boy doing?
Indeed
I was in the system between 96 and 98. Not drug related. It was hectic then I can only imagine it is much worse now.
It's so much worse in SA now
How do kids start injecting h that young
Wonder if those guys are still alive in 2021
Now there are heroin addicts on literally every single corner and robot.
They shouldn't keep the rapist and murderer with the others....so sick
Jupiter Wisdom what’s the difference the majority of the kids practice predatory rape anyway
Yes they should they need to be all locked up together. So Jacob can spread his filth like Ramatosti is doing now. Put those murderers and rapist with the their kind if you in there you got there for a reason it was not a mistake(or many that lead you there)
Your so right, I fear they do it on purpose.
@@kellyedey549 you're right obviously 💯
Does anybody have any information about where Jurie and Erich are today?
To build the children you need to build the parents. Children follow their parents.
Sometimes
That guy really, And truely care abaut those children. A good MAN.
Bless him
Thank you .I appreciate your encouragement .The Goodness in me is and was Jesus Christ
So sad. I hate this world most of the time.
yoh 2001. when we still had hope
1:56 My God, my God, these young heroin addicts carry teddy bears around 😭😭😭
Hes so young😭😭
Shame these poor kids, please God almighty be with them all out there
The Public deserve an update on this sad, uncontrollable situation?
Toubled youth with troubled parents.....so sad.....
Shame on the system for placing children in an adult prison, where is the World Child Convention on this issue. Get the drug dealers locked.
South Africa/Africa needs more attention, there are to many government officials stealing money that could go into prograns such as this one, I'm from Elsiesriver, Cape Town and I'm exposed to different kinds of situations I'd never had imagined, its deep i appreciate that this video is bring awareness to what many families/people have to deal with, I'm talking children involved in gangsterism, narcotic abuse, murder and rape.. it's sad, we need help and help can only come from within, South Africa people need to unite and stop segregating/separtating from eachother.
Watching how SA youth is wasted across colour line am scared, let's wake up South Africa and fight this drug addiction to our kids. Where are the two Pretoria boys? pls take them away from their mother.
They had to be atleast 13 to get into the Juvenile, which was 18 years ago... These lads are over 30 now
We Are ALL Brother And Sister we have ALL The Same Blood we Help Each other ALL in The World
Please give microphones next time for powerful volume.
This was 2001....
6:21 whats up with those posters on the wall?
😯
Weird
I thought that was super weird too 🙁
Jeez thats weird
Much love Pete!
Thanks Jenemba
Yeah. Keep punishing drug users. That'll help.
Would love to see a “where are they now” 20 years later, I fear these men are either in prison or dead.
Or saved
Hopefully. Have you any idea of the damage they do??
I'm in gauteng turning 30 and lol to be honest this story is a Story . There is no help for this type of thing. The rehabs and institutions are far worse than being on the street. Rape drugs gangs it's far far worse then you will ever see on media
Sad to see how our people been impacted by drugs at a younger age. 2022 can be a nightmare seeing what was happening in these years. Wishing for proper reforms and development
Im older now but it took 30 years to give up , mandrax tablets used to be used , crushed up and smoked on a bong , These kids are so young , Herion was so addictive
So fricking sad about the child drug addict brothers
There is actually more to those two boys story, before the were caught on the video the ledest one was a pimp at one time and they also smuggled drugs for the nigerian gangs between provinces... Very sad situation.... Also think of the parents as well, especially their mother, she had to beg to keep food on their table.
@@deonbotha1611 what happened to them? Do you know?
Would like to know what happened to them......
This is why you don't have children when you can't afford it.
Back when things were more raw and real and not filtered like today
I love how the white man shed tears for a black child we are all human
Yes i cried because of the Lords compassion for people Piet uys
lol they don't want them doing drugs but toss them a smoke in the cell wtf
They're better off giving them weed than cigarettes
Those poor kids are addicts and not criminals.
and the murderers and rapists?
Once you get blessed with Kids, Your previous old like has to stop and focus on your kids 24/7 no lies.
aww man. hes still a baby. how sad. no matter what they still need their mommy. I have a 14 yr old son. I would die each day with out him .
I'm afraid this is what happens when parents can't control their children's lives
Where are these boys today? Any updates?
Also is this reform school still around? What a great 👍🏽 spot ❤❤❤
Blessings to those who help these kids 😢
I remeber when this show came out and have often wondered what happened to these young men ! Bless up 🙏
I feel for these kids. It could be any of us.
Lost 5 of my friends to heroin in Johannesburg (Gauteng) one my closest friends had three childeren left behind. This must 6/7 months ago no
Me living South Africa I have been shot in the leg and been chased by a gang and I’m only at the age of 12
He was hiding himself, in the yellow sweatshirt, but at the end of the film it shows him sitting there. WTH?!!
This is heart breaking to see. Especially, instead of helping the mother get lifeskills etc. this "cop" shouting at her, shouting at the boys who are children trying to cope or "not cope" with the life they have been dealt. Dispicable!
@@smart_for_a_retard yes!
This is what happens when corrupt police punish and demonize addicts, tearing families apart. Makes the issue 10 times worse
And the parents are addicts themselves.
Do these places still exist today
I have no words. Even tho I am where they where now...
?
How did this happen. I was there. Jesus changed my life. I love Him.
God Bless you Piet
Thanks Stephan
It’s sad they they don’t have a program that helps to relocate these children and their families. Donations to help fund an apartment, family therapy, education or resources to help them get them back on their feet. Because no matter how many times theses boys go to jail or juvenile detention, they will go right back to the same way of life if they return them to the same neighborhood, the same streets. Jail or juvenile detention just teaches them to be better criminals when they are behind close doors talking to other criminals who are far worse than they are. It’s not the face they show in group but the real face they show behind close doors. They should be monitored 24/7.
Does anyone know where Jurie and Eric are today ?💔
Anybody know where they ended up now
This came out the year I was born. I wonder where these guys are today
Bless u Piet Uys for taking Vicky. We all have compassion.
. Never give up hope. Thx for saving a child.
My pleasure 22 years later .Christ in us
@@pietuysgoodnewsgoeienuus8033Can you give us an update on the boys?!
❤
Anybody know where they are today?
STUNNING
Is this what is colloquially called Stout School?
Yes
They all no when they leave if its home,some don't have a home or parents that care so you can give them all this and then throw them back into the deep end to drown again.My heart breaks for them😔
A story that I nearly forgot. I stay in South Africa at the Western Cape in a city that's got a reformatory school for boys. As I was walking past the school one Sunday early evening coming from work a boy from school greeted a man and woman who were walking infront of me.The way they answered him told me that they knew who he was. He asked them through the window why they were letting walk so freely without robbing or attacking me. They ignored him and I was not even intimidated by his request because I knew that they were going to do the biggest mistake of their lives. I was armed for self defense and I was not afraid and zI showed it to him by passing his friends by. They just ignored me and I'm happy they did otherwise things should have turned ugly. No I didn't have a gun with me but since I don't like guns and don't even have a license for them. I had some good stuff to protect me.
Where can we find out what happened to them?
you will find two of the white boys (who are now adults but still junkies) in Bl Phakathi’s youtube page. Phakathi helps people financially but the two don’t seem like they need it because they are still using drugs. 🤦🏾♂️
@@dicktective2561 which video is it, tried to find it but I can’t tell seeing as they’ve grown and probably changed
Pete is a amazing guy, I don't think I know anyone with his patience
Christ in me gave me courage boldness
I'm not having kids. Yoh
This is honestly how I feel.
There is no way this was in 2001 👀💀, the camera quality is too good lmao 😂
It was 2001 not 1981. But then even 81 had good quality. 😀
@@MareeStone798ms Gurl What-?
@@takingtotheskies9076 you weren't there.
@@MareeStone798ms as a child I always watched zack and Cody, they were around the same age as me so I kinda saw them grow up like myself. When I watched a replay of the first season like 5 years ago I was shocked how bad the quality was.
Believe me, many (professional made) series before around 2007 had bad quality if we would look at them now but we were used to it so we didn’t really care
2001 isn't the dark ages.
21:58 now that is someone who really cares about the kids. Him choking up hit me hard.
You are a blessing to me watching this about 20 years later .Amazing . From piet uys
This needs to happen now in 2021.
I find that the pictures on the wall at 6:20 are inappropriate and should not have been allowed
The rich and people who stole in unfair regimes should be taxed to provide more of these facilities. A government should only be there to help, not regulate. But improve society after is guarantees the publics safety. If a government cant do the latter which comes first and then fails to improve society...
Why should we vote
So sad.... just terrible. Wonder what happened to Jurie and Erich?
Heart breaking.
this does really hurt too watch but i am glad these people got put into the revormatory school. I hope all of them made it too a better life and the best wishes too everybody else out there struggling with addiction. Tik and buttons also ruined my family and i wouldnt want other families struggling through the same thing
There is nothing much for the ride to get the visitors list for now and I'll be there in a few minutes and I will be there at noon so I can get the money from you soon and thanks again for all your help and support
My heart is broken 💔😭😭😭
One cannot comment unless you been in such predicament. I been through it and believe me these places are worse than what you could comprehend you need to comprehend the psychological effect of been in this.