Excellent discussion of environmental policies, climate change, energy policies now being pursued by Johnson's Government, and 'Net Zero' and its economic consequences, starting at 17:55 and running for 12 minutes - ends at 29:50. Well worth listening more than once to that segment of the interview.
Amen. Tolerance is the key. Tolerance is more than just letting people speak their mind. It also means letting people run their lives and control their property as they see fit, as long as they don't harm other people. It means less top-down control and a belief in the sanctity of property rights.
The reason why lockdowns are needed is that people who are vulnerable could have no other choice but to go to work. If there is a lockdown then their bosses can't tell them to go into the office or be fired. That's so out of touch.
From memory, I think the breakdown of figures for last year were almost everyone who died had a co-morbidity. Most more than one. This is a serious disease that will kill them anyway. Average age 83. These are not working people.
@@dee_seejay Not so. I think the number of under 70s without co-morbidity was about 300. Not alarming or many. Long covid is in dispute, having at the moment too many symptoms to be defined as a disease. Estimates were fewer than 10% of confirmed cases (not positive tests), and then for a month or two. (I had a viral sore throat for about two years, twenty years ago. Viral infections hang around.) Yes to devastation caused to the NHS... try seeing your GP, the waiting list for conditions other than cover is the highest in the NHSs history, expected to reach 10 million. Yet still they practice isolation and avoid tending the sick.
@@dee_seejay the ONS (Office for National Statistics) figures come out due to a freedom of information request, so this is the government's own data. From march 2020 to Dec 2021 , 17,000 people died of COVID with no other underlying cause. That's 9000 a yeah , 90,000 people a year die from Cancer in the UK. It wasn't even a top killer. don't believe search for yourself, this is UK Government data , not some weird website google "ons Deaths from COVID-19 with no other underlying causes". The vast majority of those 9000 a year would have been overwhelmingly over 70. Young people die from Cancer, I knew a Guy who died from Cancer at 22. It happens, it's sad but it's an outlier.
Its always fun to watch some english major pontificate about power systems engineering... Im sure he had a class on it and worked in the field to decide what was and was not possible in power generation and storage.
A correction regarding gas generation's role on our grid. It is not primarily a 'back up' for wind but an essential stabilising anchor to maintain frequency. Without it's modulated output and inertia (which renewables lack) the grid will not function, i.e. we won't have any power. There is a limit to how much renewable contribution to grid demand we can have and remain stable. Renewables certainly cannot replace fossil fuel, hydro or nuclear. Also nuclear doesn't run flat out to pay back the cost, (yes it has to do that as well), there is so much concentrated heat in the reactor that throttling back electrical output would cause an overheating of the reactor with potential damage. Large nuclear is economic, reliable and ideal baseload power. Small modular reactors may well be more flexible but for now and many years to the future gas will be essential and in a large proportion of the grid's capacity.
That was interesting. Wet market or a lab. If it was a virology research lab, who financed the research? Where are serious journalists? Of course we know that real journalists are as rare as hens teeth. The oligarchies BAN their existence. For me to become optimistic about this world, journalists need to be respected members of the community allowed free reign by their editors to investigate matters such as this. Until oligarchies cease to reign, this cannot happen. If we carry on as we are now, we will never know the truth of the matter. Wet market or lab?
It's actually certain who funded the research, their names are on the papers which are publicly available online. NIH, and yes Dr Fauci is the director of NIAID and also in charge of the US general response to the pandemic. Most journalists are activists, so not using logic and reason but emotion. FYI, the type of research which could have produced Covid-19 in a lab, was banned in the US, and so the NIH sent funding to China to undertake the research instead. Said laboratory, which has the approximate health and safety regimen of a typical UK dentist office (yeah China leaked SARS and MERS before, good track record) and was undertaking research with BATIFIED coronavirus - yes they had to make a new word for it and that's the actual term used - just happened to be 100 meters away from a wet market where it is officially rumoured to have originated from despite nothing happening for decades. The same laboratory who emphatically stated that they did not have or use live animals, ever, which was videoed in a CCP promotional clip as it was opening with live animals and bats no less, in the lab. Circumstantial evidence aside, Covid-10 binds extremely tightly to HUMAN ACE2 receptors, and we've not yet found an intermediate species which it binds too with anywhere near the same degree of bonding strength. When a virus makes a zoonic jump in host species, it will always bind to the previous host species with some veracity. We've modelled Covid-19 ACE2 receptors on all known species and found no matches. The only natural explanation for this would be a chance recombination of two or more existing viruses that just happened to be a perfect match for human ACE2. Don't misunderstand this assertion... it's possible. But the fact that the lab origin and natural origin are equally probable in lieu of evidence, and the actual evidence weighs more heavily towards the lab leak... and the media (which China funds significantly even in the West yes) presented natural origins as most likely, should give some insight as to the motivations and loyalties of people who write propaganda for money. I mean, the media, sorry.
We need people like Mr Ridley right at the centre of power. Everything he says is spot on. How do we get so many idiots making decisions when we have clear sighted individuals like him we can use.
We have been talking all year about virulence see Geert Vanden Bossche and Dr Bhakti. It’s just that the journalist/propaganda merchants censored it. Don’t vaccinate into a pandemic! And use the treatments available edge repurposed drilling’s and vitamins etc .
Interesting subject matter discussed with a sagacious interviewee. Incisive, subtle and elegant 'understatement' in the questioner, adds to the quality of inquiry.
Not just EU hostility towards UK. Alot of the world are now hostile towards UK. Particularly former colonial countries. Extremely toxic towards UK. Brexit seems to have triggered this hostility, even referring to Britain as, 'little Britain'. Britain has always been small. Brexit didn't shrink it. Calling UK, 'The dirty man of Europe'. These are just a couple of hostile comments I've noticed. Some are far worse. I believe the EU are being hostile towards UK and I didn't even vote for Brexit (I hasten to add, incase of the usual backlash from remainers) I don't vote at all as I don't trust one MP. How right I was as Nigel Farage dumped the British people, days after the referendum result and Boris Johnson is really a remainer who does all he can to please the EU.
Excellent interview. I'm so chuffed to hear my own views on numerous topics echoed, plus to hear excellent insights new to me. The reference to the way the most virulent strains of Covid were helped to spread by admission of sufferers into hospital contrasts to what happens in nature. Animals inflicted by the virulent strains just curl up and die...whereas those with the milder variants continue to circulate and spread it...
Matt Ridley is one of the wisest and best informed intellectuals in the UK - his new (co-authored) book is a humdinger. Richard Dawkins is right when he says Matt gets 'better and better'.
comparing European history to the EU's modern day terrible behaviour and very poor diplomacy, since it salami sliced from a simple trade block into what it is today, bureaucratic, stagnant, autocratic, unapproachable behemoth, towards all of it's neighbours within and outside the EU, it's easy to see a war starting, . . EU will become irrelevant, . .thousands of diplomats in the EU and it can't even negotiate the security of it's own borders with Russia, . . salary packages of EU diplomats are astonishing
Nato (basically America) broke every agreement with Russia they made in 1991.They said they were never going to move east, and then they did.Messing around with wrong country.
‚… a lion economic growth in Africa‘ - yes, but with enormous amounts of Chinese money. No doubt, these amounts of external money were desperately needed to get economies going, and were obviously more helpful than decades of handing over development aid money. But China wants to become world superpower No. 1, so there is a price to be paid. Hopefully those economies will soon be resilient enough.
@@maushaus2792 I'm sure it is. I must remember that handy answer to virtually any question a human might ask next time I'm asked a question and haven't a clue.
@@maushaus2792 Just spent a dire half hour ploughing through the mile long wiki and other biogs on this corrupt liar. I see that the guy is a repeat proven liar both as Chair of NR and in the Lords by the Standards Committee for improper lobbying like his bro in law Paterson.. However he is mentioned as 'retired' from the Lords. No reason given. Why anyone listens to him is a mystery.
The extreme right wing Brexit UK is the one hostile to the EU... Apart from the European song contest, they hate everything with the name "European" in it...
@@luccolpaert1815 "The term "a hostile EU" is self-pity and a sense of imaginary oppression"? I think it was Fintan O'Toole who defined Brixit as the English voting to secure imaginary liberation from imaginary oppression.... Unsurprisingly, they are not quite sure what to do with their imaginary liberation....
These Brexiteers are so childish. Ridiculous narcissistic martyr syndrome. For his identity based assessment of the EU, he might want to check out the patent stats: Germany 5x and France 3x that of the UK, even Netherlands reaches the UK level.
Grand strategy. 1. Alienate and avoid the UK's biggest export market, the most powerful and wealthiest trade block in the world 2. profit....??? This kind of kindergarten logic it will be a devasting failure...
Some excellent insights. However, he needs to do some wider research on whether co2 can cause climate change. I would like to know what evidence he based his opinion on.
the climate problem is there is probably 4 billion too many humans on the planet and commodity or, should say, cheap commodity availability will , as history shows, cause big wars eventually. Countries like UK, France, Israel, Russia and US, who have big weapons indutries will sell weapons to all sides in third world. Get to make money and reduce populations.
This man talks some sense except he hasn't got a clue about the EU. He's talking utter rubbish about the EU and also his opinions on climate change are ridiculous.
I could not follow his logic relating to the Spanish Flu getting more virulent, and Corona being less virulent , and how we had got this pandemic wrong .
Sorry lost me at red squirrels . I agree of a lot of what he the saying but he can't get his facts right about the a small thing like the squirrels. Well ☹️
Lets try and get things into context , Britain’s decision to kick itself out of the EU was solely down to the United Kingdom, the EU didn’t kick Britain out, this fellow begins by Labeling the EU as a hostile player towards Britain, what exactly has the EU done too Britain ? , throughout they’ve offered various possibilities Britain may want to adopt in a future relationship, whatever the offer was it was rejected or only acceptable solely on the British Government’s terms , every agreement between both sets of negotiators has been accepted by all the main 26/27 EU membership yet rejected before, during or after by members of the British Government , Britain’s being treated as a non member, something they wanted, live with your decisions Britain,
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. There are a number of studies showing presence of Covid 19 in Italy early Autumn 2019. Fur farming - big in Italy, China and dozens of other countries - should be investigated aa the potential intermediary. Interesting research now points at mice as source of Omicron. It took years to identify Mers origin in mass-farmed camels.
It's a bit hard to exactly pin point as Italy is the EU country with a higher proportion of Chinese tourist/ expats to a point a few yrs ago they entered into an agreement with China to allow Chinese police officer to be stationed in Italy to assist in cases involving Chinese compatriots
@@vinniechan I'm not trying to pinpoint. I am pointing out that Italy should be looked at. For example - was there a trade in fur animal breeding stock to and from Italy (including China ) in 2019? I just checked online and Italy finally ended fur-farming 21.12.21. In one outbreak all animals were found to have antibodies. China has halved its numbers from 20m to 10 m since the pandemic started . It seems likely the whole industry will be wound up in the next year. Given Drosten says the Cov 19 virus is over 20 years in mutation out of bats, it may have been swilling around in fur farms for decades before breaking out in humans and mutating to become more transmissible and virulent. Covid was in the Italian population for months without being identified. It was most likely first identified in Wuhan as they had the expertise to identify and sequence it and are more alert to the danger of new viruses because of Sars 1.
Please give the documented source of your information. Matt Rigby has a PhD in Zoology and has co-written a book with a Chinese author about Covid. So he is knowledgeable with regard to Zoonotic diseases.
One of the best and most interesting interviews, ive heard in recent times. Well done to both.
Excellent discussion of environmental policies, climate change, energy policies now being pursued by Johnson's Government, and 'Net Zero' and its economic consequences, starting at 17:55 and running for 12 minutes - ends at 29:50. Well worth listening more than once to that segment of the interview.
I'm old enough to remember 7 years ago when Matt Ridley was still denying climate change like a champ (with large investments in fossil fuel).
Ahhh, so Matt Ridley was right on that too then !
Excellent re Energy problems. Agree with everything Matt said here.
Amen. Tolerance is the key. Tolerance is more than just letting people speak their mind. It also means letting people run their lives and control their property as they see fit, as long as they don't harm other people. It means less top-down control and a belief in the sanctity of property rights.
The reason why lockdowns are needed is that people who are vulnerable could have no other choice but to go to work. If there is a lockdown then their bosses can't tell them to go into the office or be fired. That's so out of touch.
From memory, I think the breakdown of figures for last year were almost everyone who died had a co-morbidity. Most more than one. This is a serious disease that will kill them anyway. Average age 83. These are not working people.
@@dee_seejay Not so. I think the number of under 70s without co-morbidity was about 300. Not alarming or many. Long covid is in dispute, having at the moment too many symptoms to be defined as a disease. Estimates were fewer than 10% of confirmed cases (not positive tests), and then for a month or two. (I had a viral sore throat for about two years, twenty years ago. Viral infections hang around.) Yes to devastation caused to the NHS... try seeing your GP, the waiting list for conditions other than cover is the highest in the NHSs history, expected to reach 10 million. Yet still they practice isolation and avoid tending the sick.
@@dee_seejay the ONS (Office for National Statistics) figures come out due to a freedom of information request, so this is the government's own data.
From march 2020 to Dec 2021 , 17,000 people died of COVID with no other underlying cause. That's 9000 a yeah , 90,000 people a year die from Cancer in the UK. It wasn't even a top killer.
don't believe search for yourself, this is UK Government data , not some weird website
google "ons Deaths from COVID-19 with no other underlying causes".
The vast majority of those 9000 a year would have been overwhelmingly over 70. Young people die from Cancer, I knew a Guy who died from Cancer at 22. It happens, it's sad but it's an outlier.
Its always fun to watch some english major pontificate about power systems engineering... Im sure he had a class on it and worked in the field to decide what was and was not possible in power generation and storage.
A correction regarding gas generation's role on our grid.
It is not primarily a 'back up' for wind but an essential stabilising anchor to maintain frequency. Without it's modulated output and inertia (which renewables lack) the grid will not function, i.e. we won't have any power. There is a limit to how much renewable contribution to grid demand we can have and remain stable. Renewables certainly cannot replace fossil fuel, hydro or nuclear.
Also nuclear doesn't run flat out to pay back the cost, (yes it has to do that as well), there is so much concentrated heat in the reactor that throttling back electrical output would cause an overheating of the reactor with potential damage. Large nuclear is economic, reliable and ideal baseload power. Small modular reactors may well be more flexible but for now and many years to the future gas will be essential and in a large proportion of the grid's capacity.
.... and then the Great Depression
That was interesting. Wet market or a lab. If it was a virology research lab, who financed the research? Where are serious journalists? Of course we know that real journalists are as rare as hens teeth. The oligarchies BAN their existence. For me to become optimistic about this world, journalists need to be respected members of the community allowed free reign by their editors to investigate matters such as this. Until oligarchies cease to reign, this cannot happen. If we carry on as we are now, we will never know the truth of the matter. Wet market or lab?
It's actually certain who funded the research, their names are on the papers which are publicly available online. NIH, and yes Dr Fauci is the director of NIAID and also in charge of the US general response to the pandemic. Most journalists are activists, so not using logic and reason but emotion.
FYI, the type of research which could have produced Covid-19 in a lab, was banned in the US, and so the NIH sent funding to China to undertake the research instead. Said laboratory, which has the approximate health and safety regimen of a typical UK dentist office (yeah China leaked SARS and MERS before, good track record) and was undertaking research with BATIFIED coronavirus - yes they had to make a new word for it and that's the actual term used - just happened to be 100 meters away from a wet market where it is officially rumoured to have originated from despite nothing happening for decades. The same laboratory who emphatically stated that they did not have or use live animals, ever, which was videoed in a CCP promotional clip as it was opening with live animals and bats no less, in the lab.
Circumstantial evidence aside, Covid-10 binds extremely tightly to HUMAN ACE2 receptors, and we've not yet found an intermediate species which it binds too with anywhere near the same degree of bonding strength. When a virus makes a zoonic jump in host species, it will always bind to the previous host species with some veracity. We've modelled Covid-19 ACE2 receptors on all known species and found no matches. The only natural explanation for this would be a chance recombination of two or more existing viruses that just happened to be a perfect match for human ACE2. Don't misunderstand this assertion... it's possible. But the fact that the lab origin and natural origin are equally probable in lieu of evidence, and the actual evidence weighs more heavily towards the lab leak... and the media (which China funds significantly even in the West yes) presented natural origins as most likely, should give some insight as to the motivations and loyalties of people who write propaganda for money. I mean, the media, sorry.
We need people like Mr Ridley right at the centre of power. Everything he says is spot on. How do we get so many idiots making decisions when we have clear sighted individuals like him we can use.
We have been talking all year about virulence see Geert Vanden Bossche and Dr Bhakti. It’s just that the journalist/propaganda merchants censored it. Don’t vaccinate into a pandemic! And use the treatments available edge repurposed drilling’s and vitamins etc .
"stolen a woodpecker's lunch" 🤭
Matt Ridley is brilliant,
Interesting subject matter discussed with a sagacious interviewee. Incisive, subtle and elegant 'understatement' in the questioner, adds to the quality of inquiry.
Which country in particular?
I agree with everything he says. All very worrying. I hope someone gets us back on the right track, now that we are free from eu.
The discussion around "renewable,reliable and affordable" energy was quite a thought-provoking one for me.
Excellent.
Great interview. Glad he agrees with me about the green nonsense.
Not just EU hostility towards UK. Alot of the world are now hostile towards UK. Particularly former colonial countries. Extremely toxic towards UK. Brexit seems to have triggered this hostility, even referring to Britain as, 'little Britain'. Britain has always been small. Brexit didn't shrink it. Calling UK, 'The dirty man of Europe'. These are just a couple of hostile comments I've noticed. Some are far worse. I believe the EU are being hostile towards UK and I didn't even vote for Brexit (I hasten to add, incase of the usual backlash from remainers) I don't vote at all as I don't trust one MP. How right I was as Nigel Farage dumped the British people, days after the referendum result and Boris Johnson is really a remainer who does all he can to please the EU.
No question?! What about the Pirbright Institute?
And Hong Kong…?
Spanish flu may have been a corrona virus?? Didnt know china was that advanced n vicious before communizm in the 1950s.
Excellent interview. I'm so chuffed to hear my own views on numerous topics echoed, plus to hear excellent insights new to me.
The reference to the way the most virulent strains of Covid were helped to spread by admission of sufferers into hospital contrasts to what happens in nature. Animals inflicted by the virulent strains just curl up and die...whereas those with the milder variants continue to circulate and spread it...
0:00 - 0:08 well whose fault is that?
no sound !!!
Matt Ridley is one of the wisest and best informed intellectuals in the UK - his new (co-authored) book is a humdinger.
Richard Dawkins is right when he says Matt gets 'better and better'.
comparing European history to the EU's modern day terrible behaviour and very poor diplomacy, since it salami sliced from a simple trade block into what it is today, bureaucratic, stagnant, autocratic, unapproachable behemoth, towards all of it's neighbours within and outside the EU, it's easy to see a war starting, . . EU will become irrelevant, . .thousands of diplomats in the EU and it can't even negotiate the security of it's own borders with Russia, . . salary packages of EU diplomats are astonishing
Nato (basically America) broke every agreement with Russia they made in 1991.They said they were never going to move east, and then they did.Messing around with wrong country.
‚… a lion economic growth in Africa‘ - yes, but with enormous amounts of Chinese money. No doubt, these amounts of external money were desperately needed to get economies going, and were obviously more helpful than decades of handing over development aid money. But China wants to become world superpower No. 1, so there is a price to be paid. Hopefully those economies will soon be resilient enough.
as long as the rich can increase their wealth
Wasn't he the Chairman of Northern Rock when it collapsed?
Why is he no longer in the House of Lords?
@@casteretpollux The explanation in answering your question is on Wikipedia.
@@maushaus2792 I'm sure it is. I must remember that handy answer to virtually any question a human might ask next time I'm asked a question and haven't a clue.
@@maushaus2792 Just spent a dire half hour ploughing through the mile long wiki and other biogs on this corrupt liar. I see that the guy is a repeat proven liar both as Chair of NR and in the Lords by the Standards Committee for improper lobbying like his bro in law Paterson.. However he is mentioned as 'retired' from the Lords. No reason given. Why anyone listens to him is a mystery.
@@casteretpollux
Well said...
I predicted the Spanish flew when my scientists teach asked what would happen within 8 years
Flew? lol
Try again. This time in English.
The Uk cannot be everywhere and prioritise Europe or the Commonwealth
Ask Dr Fauci 👁️👁️💯
We must scrap the net zero energy strategy!
A hostile EU... ????? Deluded..
Right. The term "a hostile EU" is self-pity and a sense of imaginary oppression.
The extreme right wing Brexit UK is the one hostile to the EU...
Apart from the European song contest, they hate everything with the name "European" in it...
"Hostile EU" because the EU didn't give all what the uk wanted. That would be quite difficult because even the UK doesn't know what it wants.
@@bellycurious
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@@luccolpaert1815
"The term "a hostile EU" is self-pity and a sense of imaginary oppression"?
I think it was Fintan O'Toole who defined Brixit as the English voting to secure imaginary liberation from imaginary oppression....
Unsurprisingly, they are not quite sure what to do with their imaginary liberation....
These Brexiteers are so childish. Ridiculous narcissistic martyr syndrome.
For his identity based assessment of the EU, he might want to check out the patent stats: Germany 5x and France 3x that of the UK, even Netherlands reaches the UK level.
Trump in the beginning also dismissed the virus as ‘just a cold’, be gone by Easter. Precious time lost.
Grand strategy.
1. Alienate and avoid the UK's biggest export market, the most powerful and wealthiest trade block in the world
2. profit....???
This kind of kindergarten logic it will be a devasting failure...
China has a strangle hold of the rare metals in Zimbabwe, Namibia and South West Africa.
His book about genetics was good, but he is totally wrong about everything
Clamp down on what kind of virology experimentation can take place.
Nonsense, Greetings from Finland.
Lord of what, silly ideas?
Bs
Well said 🤣🤣🤣
Some excellent insights. However, he needs to do some wider research on whether co2 can cause climate change. I would like to know what evidence he based his opinion on.
doubt very much his stated opinion is based on evidence
He has witten a huge amount on climate change.
Opinion,? CO2 affecting the global temperature has been known about for over 100 years 🤷🏻♂️
the climate problem is there is probably 4 billion too many humans on the planet and commodity or, should say, cheap commodity availability will , as history shows, cause big wars eventually. Countries like UK, France, Israel, Russia and US, who have big weapons indutries will sell weapons to all sides in third world. Get to make money and reduce populations.
The rich countries contribute most environmental impacts by a very long way.
This man talks some sense except he hasn't got a clue about the EU.
He's talking utter rubbish about the EU and also his opinions on climate change are ridiculous.
In my humble opinion, the man talks nonsense from A to B...
I could not follow his logic relating to the Spanish Flu getting more virulent, and Corona being less virulent , and how we had got this pandemic wrong .
is this Dilbert's boss?
What a clever bloke
No, he isn't.
Nearly everything he said is guff.
why is he a former member of the house of lords?
Retired last December
I believe hereditary Lords rotate by election, don’t they? Anyway he’s a hereditary Lord.
Sorry lost me at red squirrels . I agree of a lot of what he the saying but he can't get his facts right about the a small thing like the squirrels. Well ☹️
Lets try and get things into context , Britain’s decision to kick itself out of the EU was solely down to the United Kingdom, the EU didn’t kick Britain out, this fellow begins by Labeling the EU as a hostile player towards Britain, what exactly has the EU done too Britain ? , throughout they’ve offered various possibilities Britain may want to adopt in a future relationship, whatever the offer was it was rejected or only acceptable solely on the British Government’s terms , every agreement between both sets of negotiators has been accepted by all the main 26/27 EU membership yet rejected before, during or after by members of the British Government , Britain’s being treated as a non member, something they wanted, live with your decisions Britain,
Yeah lets listen to a guy who was on the board of northern rock in the years running up to its collapse, bexiteer and lets let covid rip guy....
This guy talks 110% nonsense...
Interesting - I think he makes perfect sense.
@@iaindennis3321 Really.This type were loving China in 2008.Now they have found out what I could have told him 20 years ago.China is no friend.
2022 is gonna be where the climate will change very bad all around the world. That's what I predicted
Yer naw ma frien's ne'er
Am fine in my bed the world is a very dangerous place anyway.. Bring on a 10 year lockdown 🕺🕺🕺
This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. There are a number of studies showing presence of Covid 19 in Italy early Autumn 2019. Fur farming - big in Italy, China and dozens of other countries - should be investigated aa the potential intermediary. Interesting research now points at mice as source of Omicron. It took years to identify Mers origin in mass-farmed camels.
We’re the mice lab mice or wild mice?
Spot on...
The man is throwing baseless conspiracy theories around.
It's a bit hard to exactly pin point as Italy is the EU country with a higher proportion of Chinese tourist/ expats to a point a few yrs ago they entered into an agreement with China to allow Chinese police officer to be stationed in Italy to assist in cases involving Chinese compatriots
@@vinniechan I'm not trying to pinpoint. I am pointing out that Italy should be looked at. For example - was there a trade in fur animal breeding stock to and from Italy (including China ) in 2019?
I just checked online and Italy finally ended fur-farming 21.12.21.
In one outbreak all animals were found to have antibodies. China has halved its numbers from 20m to 10 m since the pandemic started . It seems likely the whole industry will be wound up in the next year. Given Drosten says the Cov 19 virus is over 20 years in mutation out of bats, it may have been swilling around in fur farms for decades before breaking out in humans and mutating to become more transmissible and virulent. Covid was in the Italian population for months without being identified. It was most likely first identified in Wuhan as they had the expertise to identify and sequence it and are more alert to the danger of new viruses because of Sars 1.
Please give the documented source of your information. Matt Rigby has a PhD in Zoology and has co-written a book with a Chinese author about Covid. So he is knowledgeable with regard to Zoonotic diseases.
Matt Ridley hombre.
What is the obsession the right have with conspiracy theories 🤷🏻♂️
Hostile views....haha...just gb is treated as a third country..