MLB should be asking for teams to build cheaper smaller stadiums. The reason why current stadiums are falling into disrepair is that the stadiums are too expensive to maintain and the leauge allows teams to intentionally be bad and just receive a big tv paycheck every year.
Especially considering MLB is no longer increasing in revenue like NBA/NFL. Baseball is also an oddly shaped stadium until basketball or football arenas which can be used for a variety of purposes
There should ABSOLUTELY be a relocation fee, and a damn high one, too. It is not fair to the fans who have remained loyal to these teams, lose or win, to have to endure the selfishness of these owners who are looking to get over, and it STARTS with the A's.
I just don’t understand how the Premier League can have a majority of stadiums that are at least 80 years old and doing fine, but we here in the US feel the need to build new stadiums every 20-30 years.
It's actually quite sad. Too many historic ballparks have been bulldozed. Yankee stadium should have been declared a national monument and saved, among a number of others.
I've been a White Sox fan all my life (over 60 years) and since the late '60's they've been on their way to Milwaukee, Denver, Seattle, Tampa Bay, and who knows where else. One of these days they'll actually do it...
@@The_Gallowglasssame. I’ll become a Brewers fan if they move out of this city. I’d allow them to move around in the city but it would be a shame to see them move to Soldier Field as taking the L there kinda sucks. Being able to hop on the Red line to get to either baseball stadium has a certain charm to it
Just like the Orioles started the retro park movement in the early 90s, the Braves started the "ballpark district" movement. Some cities will end up losing teams
@@805fillmore I’ve pretty much assumed that the A’s are moving to Vegas. However, even that might be preliminary. Otherwise, I’m not sure you really read my comment. A lot of private concerns can SAY they have a ballpark plan. Mayors can SAY they would welcome a team. But the Vegas move wasn’t happening without public money (and that might yet be in question). Only Nashville seems to have both ownership and some public money sort of earmarked to get a team. In any event, I guarantee you only 1 or 2 of the 8 teams threatening to move are even remotely serious about it, and even the two know it’s a bit of a bluff.
I think that most of these teams are just trying to gain some leverage with the cities, most of them really don't want to leave. I remember the Yankees playing a similar game with NYC, trying to get the West Side location for the new ballpark, then saying they would go to NJ, but ultimately they stayed in the Bronx with their new stadium. The A's are a different situation because they're in the worst outdated ballpark in a terrible location and the city seems to have no intention of working with them. I live in Atlanta and can say that the ballpark district that the Braves put together is very enjoyable and makes for a great gameday experience. Even in the offseason you can still go there and get a bite to eat or do some shopping at the stores there. You will definitely see more teams doing their own versions of this. Ironic that all of the retro ballparks of the last 30 years brought the stadiums into the downtowns, now they will all be heading back out to the suburbs again.
Where the hell are they going to go? They going to have 6 teams in Nashville? I would not want my tax dollars financing these clowns. It’s a financial black hole for the people who actually work for a living. You want it you pay for it. It has nothing to do with a better job it has to do with money and trying to keep up with the Jones. Waa we need a new ballpark. Waa we need a dome. Waa we need a retractable dome. Waa we need a ballpark district. 🤢🤢🤢🤮
KC is a stadium I've always enjoyed seeing when watching my team player there, It certainly didn't "Seem" old and needing repair. It just seems so charming and warm feeling when watching it, would be real sad to see it go(Same with the classic Yankee stadium I grew up with)
The "ballpark districts" are the new luxury boxes from years ago. The old stadiums weren't viable, according to teams, because they didn't have luxury boxes...now it's going to be "our team can't compete without a ballpark district to generate revenue..."
Manfred is convincing owners to run baseball like a heartless orporation and you can't really do something like that when you're selling nostalgia. I guess they didn;t learn from the strike when fans left in droves.
Japan Taiwan Korea Dominican Republic Taiwan Venezuela Mexico: Forget the Americans! Give us teams! The Americans don't have the attention span or patience for Baseball anymore anyway!
There's a lot of truth with what you just said,but not the whole truth MLB hasnt made the adjustments with the times and threats of another strike and all these relocations will body the Sport.@@HoshizakiYoshimasa
As a Twins fan, I would absolutely hate the White Sux leaving Chicago. The rivalry isn't like Yankees and Red Sox, but, for me, this rivalry brings a lot of enjoyment even when my squad is out of it.
@@ryanmclellan8740Yeah, short memory Twinkies guy... attempted contraction in 2001 and you haven't won a playoff game since 2004. That's 18 playoff losses in a row.
I’m a Cubs fan, and lived in the Twin Cities during grad school. The White Sox can’t compete. If you go to Target and then Guaranteed Rate, it’s night and Day.
I need my White Sox to stay Brodie. Chicago wouldn't feel the same without them. Growing up going to games from age 2 to present at 26, they're a staple of my life. MLB is alienating fans with this.
Time to start a fundraiser. Anybody ACROSS THE WORLD that wants to DONATE to get the White Sox renovations or a new stadium should be allowed to do so. That goes for the other sports teams too.
Would love to see the White Sox build a real "new Comiskey" on the site of the original one, the same way that the Yankees did a new take on the original Yankee Stadium. That would be great. The White Sox have so much history, they really need to do something like that.
The Cubs and Sox are such a vital part of the fabric of Chicago in the summer that losing either team would be devastating. That Sox hat symbolizes the southside of chicago perfectly. One of the founding teams of the American League threatening to leave its home is so sad. Especially after a decade plus of piss poor management and play.
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With regard to Phoenix, the current location seems to be centrally located. If you built a stadium in the East Valley, then the West Valley is an hour away. Phoenix is pretty spread out.
The only reason for MLB waiving the relocation fee for the A's is that John Fisher must have made a backroom deal with the other owners to move the A's, sell the Vegas team before the Vegas stadium is even built, and in return, the other small-market owners get to use the A's as an example, and get to leverage/threaten their local governments for free money in stadium renovations otherwise they would move as well. That's the only reason why MLB keeps insisting the A's don't have to pay a relocation fee, otherwise, there wouldn't be a relocation fee at all.
The owners are going to slam dunk approve the A's move to Vegas, because each of the owners want the ability to pick up and move whenever they have a whim to do so, and they all want to create the precedent to approve these moves.
Are all of the owners going to waive relocation fees? Teams that are not moving may not be too happy about that. And while I thought the Moneyball Act had little chance of getting anywhere, if 8 teams get involved the equation starts to change. That's a lot of fans to complain to their Representatives
The former mayor of Anaheim pled guilty a few days ago regarding his role in the now revoked sale of the Angel Stadium land. Besides Long Beach, Tustin has been mentioned as a new home.
Long Beach native here. Interesting enough Long Beach was the first choice when the Angels were looking to leave Dodger Stadium and build there own. However, once the city fathers insisted that the team be called the Long Beach Angels, well that ended that. Anaheim was not quite as choosy over the city team name and the rest as we say is history!
@@larrystaley21 Also, Walt Disney was on the Angels board of directors and suggested Anaheim because of the location of his park and that there was vacant land surrounded by three highways.
Fans of baseball = "I hate that this is a distraction for the Baltimore Orioles during this wonderful season they're having" Orioles Owner = "What a perfect time to threaten relocation! If I did when the team stunk, people wouldn't care, now they do, let's milk as much free money from these suckers as we can!!" The difference between fans and owners. It's disgusting what's happening in baseball. The league is fundamentally broken without a salary cap/floor, and with this new threat of relocation from small market owners? I give up. I would rather watch the Savannah Bananas at this point and I hope MLB loses its anti-trust exemption and implodes.
From an engineering standpoint, retractable roofs have a lot of mechanical moving parts and enclosed stadiums require extensive HVAC systems that require constant maintenance and don't last forever. That is why stadiums like Chase Field and American Family Field will either need to be replaced or extensively renovated well before a stadium that does not have a roof, especially as both regions experience climate extremes in one season or another (hot summers in Arizona and cold winters in Wisconsin).
Not buying the retractable roofs thing. Shiny new( mostly NOT needed) roofs are just a luxury item. A roof doesn't help with snow. Most are not player friendly. Why not always leave them closed for games. Open when not in use. People that live near Miami or Phoenix are used to that kind of heat.
I think we're going to start seeing what's happening with the NCAA"s recent radical re-alignment madness. Teams nearing the end of their leases are going to get cities bidding against each other for the next best deal; history, fans, connection with the local area be damned.
The only difference is college football is a sport that is in high demand with sell outs and high television ratings. Baseball doesn't have that leverage, because it's moving in the other direction.
@@adamsmith583 In a way it is because it breaks up established rivalries. I'm a Mizzou fan, our big rival when I was growing up were the Kansas Jayhawks but now we hardly ever play them. It's true that my team is still where it always was but that does make a difference.
If mlb starts moving franchises around like pieces on a chessboard like the nfl does, they’re going to lose fans in droves and completely destroy the sport. As a former nfl fan I never forgave the Houston Oilers ownership for moving the team to Tennessee due to their greed for a new stadium at taxpayer expense. And even though Houston ultimately got another nfl team I had already lost interest in the nfl. If Astros owners had moved the baseball team I’d have lost interest in baseball too.
Just ask Dean Spanos he ripped 56 years of the Chargers out of sd and instead became freeloaders in a2nd banana in LA where everyone sees them as an afterthought. Manfraud is abusing his power and the other sports leagues would put this on notice.
Although I live on the Gulf Coast, I hated seeing the Raiders moving to LA then back to Oakland then to Las Vegas. I remember them when they were an NFL powerhouse and Ken Stabler was one of my favorite quarterbacks when I was a kid. And I would hate to see the Athletics move too. We used to catch a handful of Rangers games on TV back in the early '70s and I always liked watching them play against Charlie Finley's A's back then. Every time Catfish Hunter was on the mound, he was almost sure to win.
@805fillmore well the Rams left LA for St. Louis, so the leaving LA for Indy wouldn't be too far from fruition. Wealthy businessmen love handouts and wouldn't care if they move their big market team to a small market.
Coors Field (Rockies) signed a lease agreement through 2047. It'll have been there for a total of 52 years at that point! I hope my Rox can win a WS in that time!
I would love it if the Diamondbacks could work with the Coyotes to create a duel venue situation, with an entertainment district in between the two venues. There is A LOT of empty land for development in that area.
The situation in Baltimore, the owner is jealous of another's success. Where is the risk on the owners part? The people of Baltimore and Maryland have foot the bill for Camden Yards. The Ownership has raked in the profits.
Austin, Charlotte, San Antonio, Nashville, Orlando, Portland, Raleigh, Montreal, Salt Lake City, Sacramento.....plenty of thriving metros that would be a more successful base for an
The problem with the, "it's just buisness" argument is that kind of thinking isn't what made professional sports what it is. You have 100+ year old fan bases, tradition, rivalries everything going out the window. It's really not just another buisness. Apple, Amazon, Tesla can move their companies, who cares? You can't just keep moving teams and expect fans to keep caring. Money really is the root of all evil.
Braves: Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta. A's: Philly to KC to Oakland to....LV? Washington Senators to Texas Rangers. Exposure to Washington Nationals. Brooklyn Covers to LA. New York Giants to SF. It's happened forever.
@@onomatopoeia162003 There were TWO different Washington Senators teams. The first one moved to Minnesota (as you mentioned) and was immediately replaced with an expansion Senators team. That one moved to DFW in 1972 and became the Texas Rangers.
Not a Sox fan and I still call it New Comisky. Hope the Sox Don't leave, like he says in the video- this team has a ton of history and hate they get overshadowed by the Cubs. I've been looking forward taking the red line down every other year we play them there.
I disagree the A’s are a precedent. If you have the last multipurpose ballpark and you’ve been there 60 years, you might be allowed to move. So the Rays can get to move in a 30-40 years based on that.
I made a comment on an A's Facebook page above the Angel's moving to Oakland. I think the team would be welcomed if the A's do indeed move. A little poetic seeing how the movie Angel's in the Outfield was filmed in Oakland.
We would prefer to keep the Athletics . With the exception of Tampa Bay, none of these teams have a good reason to relocate and or ask for a new ballpark. All are tied to private real estate development that they do not have to share revenue with MLB. But they are using public money and getting tax breaks included. No, no, no.
The new stadiums in the UK, such as Tottenham and Arsenal's new stadiums, weren't built with public money either. Unlike the sports team owners in the USA, the teams aren't owned by a bunch of Welfare Queens.
Interesting that some of the teams are talking about building stadiums that incorporate retail & housing in their project. Like Howard terminal? Maybe Fisher should buy an expansion team that'll be happy in a 9 acre domed stadium in the smallest media market and sell the A's to one of the ownership groups that are thinking of bigger, inclusive stadiums. The work is almost done on the stadium (HT) that those teams are talking about. #SellTheTeam
Either put the Rays in Tampa proper or move them out of state. St Pete has always and will always be a nightmare to get in and out of. I'd hate to see them in Orlando.
It’s not just about the fans in those cities it’s also about opposing fans, I’m sure for example Cardinals fans enjoy beating the Milwaukee brewers specifically and if they were a different team in a city with no history the dynamic between the fanbases would be different. Some cities are baseball institutions and some rivalries are baseball institutions & losing those institutions is bad for the game
What did you think was going to happen as all of these stadia reach their 30 year mark with leases expiring? Did you think teams were just going to say, “hey, our stadium is still nice, let’s not extort anything and just sign a new lease”?
As a European who recently started following MLB, owners clawing for tax payer money by threatening to leave is one of the ugliest and least understandable aspects of the sport. I get that it's a business, and I'm not actually opposed to using public money to support sports (in the same way tax payers fund the arts). It's just happening in a really dirty way. The relationship between the team, the city, and the people is almost like a sacred bond, and when team owners use that relationship as leverage, trust is broken and fans - across the country - are alienated.
The white Sox aren’t moving anywhere. They just are trying to get a new stadium, they threatened to move to Tampa in the 80s to get there way. The rest of the teams are either doing the same or trying to get renovations paid for. It’s an idle threat for these teams that won’t go anywhere
The thing with the angels moving is that a 20 mile move north in socal is another hour in traffic to go to a game on a weekday night. I wouldn’t make that drive to watch them lose a game when the relievers inevitably blow it
1 HUGE thing you did not address is not many cities out there looking for a Baseball team. Sure Vegas will take the A's. Where the f are the Brewers going??? Who is looking to acquire the the Diamondbacks ??? Baseball is not a growing sport like Soccer/Basketball and the Almighty Football
The interesting thing in Milwaukee is that their lease mandates that the govt provide maintenance and upgrades and they haven’t done it. Brewers could use that to break the lease and move to Nashville before 2030. And that’s not a city name out of a hat, it’s where their Triple-A team currently plays. The local fans are already familiar with many of the Brewers players either because they are recent call-ups or played through rehab stints.
@@sirchi8731 I don’t disagree with that. The state has been running a budget surplus lately and the Republican-led legislature just keeps proposing top-heavy tax cuts instead of actually doing something with the money. That is why Gov. Evers proposed the $290 million mentioned in the video, the state has that money just sort of sitting around doing nothing. Now, is there a huge difference between tax cuts for the wealthy and paying for upgrades to a stadium? Probably not, but the lease says they have to do it anyway. I’d prefer the state spend the money on schools and transportation, specifically the often proposed rail system connecting Chicago and Minneapolis through Milwaukee and Madison.
@@brenthauer8365 - Start a fundraiser. Taxpayers from ALL OVER THE WORLD can donate as much as they want, anytime to help fund the renovations for the Milwaukee Brewers. That goes for the other sports teams too.
Lived in Nashville for about 10 years, and the Brewers would be signing up for 162 road games if they moved to Nashville. Nashville is VERY much Braves country (I'd go as far as to say there are more Braves fans in Nashville than in Atlanta). If MLB really wants a team there, their best bet is expansion (and there's already an ownership group in place). Any relocation there that doesn't involve the Braves would be DOA.
@@js1031 I don’t buy that one bit. There’s a large contingent of braves fans there now because it’s who they show on TV most often (also in the Washington/Baltimore home market). Put a team there, in a nice new stadium, and put them on the local stations and a nashville team will have plenty of support.
The A's can play in Las Vegas Ballpark until the new stadium is finished. They would have to work it out with the Aviators minor league team though.. or play in the unused Sam Boyd Stadium.
Its understood that the last threat by the Sox to leave the South Side was just a ruse, to get the state to pay for the stadium. Now the vogue is for team owners to have a retail area they can own outside the park. Arlington Heights cannot even make a deal w/ the Bears...
I may not be a baseball fan, but as a hockey fan, the NHL had its own relocation crisis back in the 90's with the Nordiques, Whalers, Jets, and North Stars. Relocation is devastating for any sport, and it's not fair for the fans. The Nordiques and North Stars both won Stanley Cups immediately following their moves to Colorado and Dallas, and the wounds have never been healed in those cities. They didn't deserve to have their championships robbed from them like that. Sports leagues playing hot potato with their stadiums needs to end. It's just a grift to billionaires subsidized by the working class solely so that they can keep building more luxury suites for higher profits from their rich fans. Most of the stadiums here aren't old and in need of replacement. They just aren't luxurious enough to satisfy their owners. They're treating their stadiums the same way they treat housing. As nothing more than an investment to be bought, bulldozed, and resold at overinflated prices at the expense of the working class. It's time we stop building these status symbols masquerading as stadiums, and return to building humbly like the jewel box era and force these owners to build these stadiums themselves. They're rich enough to do so. They just refuse to because they're greedy bastards who don't care about their fans.
I was living in Colorado at the time of the Nordiques' move to Denver. It was far better for a team to be in a thriving metropolitan area in the scenic state of Colorado than in a smaller, French-speaking foreign city.
@@HighpointerGeocacher The NHL is North America's hockey league. Not just America's. So it most certainly is not a "foreign city." Denver could've gotten an expansion team. It didn't need to come at Quebec City's expense. And besides, small market teams can succeed, and in Canada of all places, they most certainly can and it did. They had one of the league's most passionate fanbases and the Battle of Quebec is still to this day one of hockey's most legendary and fierce rivalries. Winnipeg has a metro population of barely over 800k people, yet they also have one of the most passionate fanbases in hockey.
Just read an article about the Brewers where the district is on track to be out of money in a few short years and Brewers are asking for the $ now to ensure they get the funding. Priorities?
Still a smaller market than Chicago without large TV and radio revenue like Chicago , owners are going to have to approve leaving a big market ( top 3) for a place in the 20s
Oracle Park will become a legacy park, no doubt. It looks as good now as it did in 2000. It is very well kept. Hats off to the Giants for getting that right. Now, regarding Farhan Zaidy and Gabe Kapler, but that's another problem.
And another thing that needs to stop isl teams getting a new stadium when they don't need one like Kansas City.. MLB makes me almost not want to watch anymore.
Kauffman Stadium, despite its age, is still one of the best stadiums in MLB. There is no need for the Royals to move anywhere, especially if they want the taxpayers to foot the bulk of the bill. Building a new ballpark would be a lateral move, at best, not an improvement. PS-- Kauffman opened in 1973.
More context on the Orioles situation: the Angelos brothers sued each other over control of the team; with it being insinuated that John Angelos wants to move the team to Nashville.
There is only one MLB team in Los Angeles. Orange County is no more a part of L.A. than San Diego, San Francisco or Alameda counties. If the Anaheim team moved to Long Beach then they would be in L.A. County, if not the city. Anaheim needs new ownership, a new team name and a more regional concept as the only American League team in Southern California (and maybe all of CA soon...)
@@ZackfromNoHo Nor do the Cowboys play in Dallas, or the Jets/Giants play in NY. Those teams, Angels included, are supported by those markets although they don’t play within the city limits.
There have been times when the Mets were more popular than the Yankees. These include late 60's and early 70's, when the Mets won the 1969 World Series and were a contender for several years thereafter while the Yankees were in a down cycle before Steinbrenner purchased the team and the first Yankee Stadium was renovated; also in the 1980's and early 1990's around the time of the Mets' 1986 World Series victory, and the Yankees were in another down cycle until the teams of Torre, Jeter et. al. began winning multiple World Series titles starting in 1996.
I’m glad I live in an are that won’t be shaken down for billions of dollars to line the pockets of super rich MLB owners. It’s absolutely theft and one of the drivers of huge paychecks to pro athletes and skyrocketed profits for these owners.
I hope I’m wrong but I see MLB being completely different in just a few years I see a complete divisional realignment coming and cities that have a team won’t have them
It IS an encouraging sign that so many major sports teams are waking up to what a bad idea it is to play in stadiums on cheap land, far from the city center, in oceans of surface parking, adding virtually no wealth to the city they're in. One of the things European teams get so right is how they build stadiums in the center of town, accessible by transit, surrounded with bars, restaurants, and shopping that makes for an amazing pre-and-post game experience.
Europe is different that the USA. It is considerably older and more densely populated. Land area of England is 50,130 sq. mi. which would rank 29th if it was a USA state. Thus, more than half of the USA states are larger in area than England. However, the population of England is over 56 million, which is over 17 million more than California, or larger than the combined populations of Texas and Florida. England is more densely populated than every USA state except for New Jersey.
I am a White Sox fan living in Wisconsin. Both the Sox and the Brewers leaving would be game changers for me. My two favorite teams! I would go to the Cubs.
I think your “hot take” on the White Sox is what we here like to call “out of town stupid” meaning that locals know what’s really going on and you’re not really close. Jerry Reinsdorf grew up in Brooklyn and knows what it’s like to have a team move away, so while he owns the team, his likelihood of relocation is very low. He might, however relocate within the metro area. After he dies or sells,completely different story. There’s more, but it’s not my video.
Orlando has had trouble supporting the Magic when they aren't good. It's a tourist trap city. The Magic would be better off playing somewhere other than Orlando.
As a fan of the Arizona Coyotes of the NHL, let me tell you. Downtown Phoenix is a good spot for the D-backs. Good luck getting Tempe to sign on to a deal, they would have rather had an actual dump than a sports venue using a cent of public money.
I miss the Coyotes playing downtown in the same place where the Suns play. Not sure why they couldn’t figure things out there. Did the Suns not wanna share the arena? It’s so ridiculous the Coyotes have to play at a dinky NCAA arena in Tempe due to the Glendale Arena B.S. Couldn’t the Coyotes temporarily play at the old Veterans Coliseum? I realize it’s not ideal by NHL standards, but it seats far more people than the ASU hockey arena.
@@m.kennedy342 The Suns arena was built for basketball, so the second deck actually hung over the ice surface, making some of the seats basically worthless. It's the entire reason they built the glendale arena. As for the old vet, I'm not sure how well the place holds up for hockey considering its been over 20 years since the last hockey game was played there
Old, original teams such as the White Sox should not be allowed to move unless there’s no other alternative. They’ve been in the AL since it was founded and only one of four original remaining teams. The other teams I don’t really care.
Populations and demographics change throughout the years. 120 years ago, most of the USA population was in the Northeast and Midwest. The only major city in the western USA was San Francisco; Los Angeles didn't move into the ranks of major USA cities until after the completion of the Los Angeles Aqueduct in 1913 and the establishment of the motion picture industry in that decade, enabling the city to pass the 500,000 mark in 1920. Because teams traveled by train, it was infeasible to have teams stationed so far away until jet travel became widespread in the late 1950's, Also, prior to the 1960's the South was mostly rural, segregated, and considerably poorer than the North, and not many people could live in places with very hot summer climates prior to the widespread adoption of air conditioning. However, the South is now the fastest-growing region in the USA and for the most part is doing better economically than the North, as exemplified by the widespread movement of people and businesses to that region. Thus, there are several southern metropolitan areas (i.e. Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, Nashville, Orlando, Austin, San Antonio, etc.) that are more populous than some northern metropolitan areas with MLB teams, and these southern cities are growing at fast rates while the populations of their northern counterparts are stagnant or declining.
Chicago has two teams, the Cubs and White Sox, but that is antiquated and one of the teams should move. The population of Chicago is declining, the city is experiencing many problems and its crime rate is one of the worst in the USA, particularly in the South Side where the White Sox play. In the early 50's, there were two teams in Boston, St. Louis, and Philadelphia, but it was antiquated for those cities to each have two teams when there were large cities that did not have an MLB team. Thus, in each case, the less popular of the two teams in each of those cities moved to another city. I don't think many people bemoaned the loss of one of the two teams in those cities as there was a remaining team, and other cities got a new team.
@8:02 - Arizona's stadium has a "leaky retractable roof" and that's a complaint? I lived in Phoenix for a while, and, news flash, it never rains (or rarely does), being in the middle of a desert. Crybaby Diamondbacks.
It's time for cities and fans to start a FUNDRAISER. Any taxpayer FROM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD that wants to DONATE to get sports teams renovations or a new stadium/arena should be allowed to do so. Please repost this message all over the net.
I would love to see the Athletics come home to Philadelphia. I’m just pipe dreaming, but I’m sure the market is easily large enough. The Phils would never let that happen for obvious reasons. ⚾️
I’m an a’s fan. If they moved back to Philly that would be the only way I stay an a’s fan. I’m not rooting for a Las Vegas team, just like I don’t root for a Las Vegas football team.
I live here in Baltimore I have been an Orioles fan for almost 65 years the team is owned by a family of shysters my father always told me politicians used car dealers Bank presidents and lawyers are the worst people on earth I don't trust them 1984 we lost the Baltimore Colts and a lot of people have never forgot that Bob from Baltimore
As a Pirate fan, it wouldn't break my heart to see them leave Pittsburgh, considering their atrocious play on the field. Pittsburgh and PNC Park deserves a team worthy of MLB status. Shit! I'd take the Orioles' roster right about now. Even the Rays or the Brewers.
The Brewer's should look to move to Tampa. The Rays could upgrade their stadium by moving to Milwaukee. White Sox to Baltimore, then move the Orioles to Chicago. LA D'backs and the Arizona Angels has a nice sound to it. And send the A's back to KC. There....problem solved 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
In regards to the English football clubs they almost all own their stadium. Baseball teams should be the owners of their stadiums and this nonsense would stop.
I think cities , counties, and states need to get out of the arena and stadium business. Can you imagine a city opening up a flower shop? Or a candy store? How about a factory? If a sports team wants a new stadium, let him buy some land and build one, the people of the city, county, and state shouldn't be paying for them. We certainly don't get a cut of the ticket sales or the concessions. If the owners want to leave, good bye. Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out.
Chase field is a dump, its way to big for baseball. It was built as a multi purpose stadium in hopes of the Cards joining them. The downtown location is right across the street from the Suns arena and at the time Jerry Colangelo owned both teams. I have a feeling they will build in Scottsdale or on the reservation
Considering I’m from Orlando. I can in fact say Orlando rly wants a sports team so it would be cool too have the city get a baseball team. I’m personally a Phillies fan but hey getting a 3rd FL team would make it alot easier to catch my team play. Sorry not sorry 🙃
My cousin Joe Borchard still has the longest recorded home run in White Sox (insert name here) Stadium. Must admit it'd be pretty cool to have that legacy in a defunct stadium or even a refurbished establishment in the same spot.
I think it’s insane MLB to ask a owner/team and city to ask to build a new $2 billion stadium ever 15-20 years.
MLB should be asking for teams to build cheaper smaller stadiums. The reason why current stadiums are falling into disrepair is that the stadiums are too expensive to maintain and the leauge allows teams to intentionally be bad and just receive a big tv paycheck every year.
That it is, but unfortunately it’s how the sausage is made. Oakland wasn’t shy about using a publicly funded stadium to lure away the A’s from KC.
To be fair Comerica is 30+ years old. Still too soon to get a new stadium but at least get your facts straight.
They need to build a smaller Stadium the game is just becoming for rich people only
Especially considering MLB is no longer increasing in revenue like NBA/NFL. Baseball is also an oddly shaped stadium until basketball or football arenas which can be used for a variety of purposes
There should ABSOLUTELY be a relocation fee, and a damn high one, too. It is not fair to the fans who have remained loyal to these teams, lose or win, to have to endure the selfishness of these owners who are looking to get over, and it STARTS with the A's.
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"MLB has a growing problem on its hands".... and a part of that problem is Rob " Manfraud" Manfred. It actually started before him with Bud Selig.
Preach it! Preach it!!
I just don’t understand how the Premier League can have a majority of stadiums that are at least 80 years old and doing fine, but we here in the US feel the need to build new stadiums every 20-30 years.
There's pro soccer in every town in England, so it's not like there's anywhere to move to.
Listening to the fans, they love their stadiums. Success on the field matters way more than a new stadium.
@@beantaz3862 Exactly. Look at college football in the US. Same way.
It's actually quite sad. Too many historic ballparks have been bulldozed. Yankee stadium should have been declared a national monument and saved, among a number of others.
Some stadiums, Busch II for instance and Kaufman had/have "concrete cancer" which supposedly costs more than a new one.
I've been a White Sox fan all my life (over 60 years) and since the late '60's they've been on their way to Milwaukee, Denver, Seattle, Tampa Bay, and who knows where else. One of these days they'll actually do it...
Friend of mine wrote Reinhorn (or is it Einsdorf?) a letter when they blackmailed the state in 1990 or so. He no longer supports them.
Almost moved to New Orleans in 1980 but the AL blocked the sale from Veeck to Eddie DeBartolo Sr.
Nobody calls it Guaranteed rate. It's just Sox park. If they leave, I'm done with them.
@@The_Gallowglasssame. I’ll become a Brewers fan if they move out of this city. I’d allow them to move around in the city but it would be a shame to see them move to Soldier Field as taking the L there kinda sucks. Being able to hop on the Red line to get to either baseball stadium has a certain charm to it
I’m sure they can draw 18k fans a game in Nashville just as easily in Chicago .
Just like the Orioles started the retro park movement in the early 90s, the Braves started the "ballpark district" movement. Some cities will end up losing teams
Number of cities with public AND private commitment for a new ballpark that doesn’t currently have MLB: Nashville.
That’s it.
CALL THEIR BLUFF.
@@805fillmore I’ve pretty much assumed that the A’s are moving to Vegas. However, even that might be preliminary.
Otherwise, I’m not sure you really read my comment.
A lot of private concerns can SAY they have a ballpark plan. Mayors can SAY they would welcome a team. But the Vegas move wasn’t happening without public money (and that might yet be in question). Only Nashville seems to have both ownership and some public money sort of earmarked to get a team. In any event, I guarantee you only 1 or 2 of the 8 teams threatening to move are even remotely serious about it, and even the two know it’s a bit of a bluff.
I think that most of these teams are just trying to gain some leverage with the cities, most of them really don't want to leave. I remember the Yankees playing a similar game with NYC, trying to get the West Side location for the new ballpark, then saying they would go to NJ, but ultimately they stayed in the Bronx with their new stadium. The A's are a different situation because they're in the worst outdated ballpark in a terrible location and the city seems to have no intention of working with them.
I live in Atlanta and can say that the ballpark district that the Braves put together is very enjoyable and makes for a great gameday experience. Even in the offseason you can still go there and get a bite to eat or do some shopping at the stores there. You will definitely see more teams doing their own versions of this. Ironic that all of the retro ballparks of the last 30 years brought the stadiums into the downtowns, now they will all be heading back out to the suburbs again.
@@PCSPounderf Nashville
Where the hell are they going to go? They going to have 6 teams in Nashville? I would not want my tax dollars financing these clowns. It’s a financial black hole for the people who actually work for a living. You want it you pay for it.
It has nothing to do with a better job it has to do with money and trying to keep up with the Jones. Waa we need a new ballpark. Waa we need a dome. Waa we need a retractable dome. Waa we need a ballpark district. 🤢🤢🤢🤮
KC is a stadium I've always enjoyed seeing when watching my team player there, It certainly didn't "Seem" old and needing repair. It just seems so charming and warm feeling when watching it, would be real sad to see it go(Same with the classic Yankee stadium I grew up with)
Agreed, Kauffman is great. Only reason I don't absolutely hate the idea is that they want to replace it with a downtown stadium
The "ballpark districts" are the new luxury boxes from years ago. The old stadiums weren't viable, according to teams, because they didn't have luxury boxes...now it's going to be "our team can't compete without a ballpark district to generate revenue..."
excellent point
Manfred is convincing owners to run baseball like a heartless orporation and you can't really do something like that when you're selling nostalgia. I guess they didn;t learn from the strike when fans left in droves.
Japan Taiwan Korea Dominican Republic Taiwan Venezuela Mexico: Forget the Americans! Give us teams! The Americans don't have the attention span or patience for Baseball anymore anyway!
Abuse of power
Baseball works on ways to make it even more irrelevant than it already is
@@ronepting5030Not globally. Game is thriving globally. You Americans just have the attention spans and patience for it anymore
There's a lot of truth with what you just said,but not the whole truth MLB hasnt made the adjustments with the times and threats of another strike and all these relocations will body the Sport.@@HoshizakiYoshimasa
As a Twins fan, I would absolutely hate the White Sux leaving Chicago. The rivalry isn't like Yankees and Red Sox, but, for me, this rivalry brings a lot of enjoyment even when my squad is out of it.
It's Not Gonna Happen its A Lie . White Sox Are Staying in Chicago .
Which is frankly, most of the time.
@@mikenoodle100 hey now... who's in first and who is talking about moving?
@@ryanmclellan8740Yeah, short memory Twinkies guy... attempted contraction in 2001 and you haven't won a playoff game since 2004. That's 18 playoff losses in a row.
I’m a Cubs fan, and lived in the Twin Cities during grad school. The White Sox can’t compete. If you go to Target and then Guaranteed Rate, it’s night and Day.
I need my White Sox to stay Brodie. Chicago wouldn't feel the same without them. Growing up going to games from age 2 to present at 26, they're a staple of my life. MLB is alienating fans with this.
Time to start a fundraiser. Anybody ACROSS THE WORLD that wants to DONATE to get the White Sox renovations or a new stadium should be allowed to do so. That goes for the other sports teams too.
Would love to see the White Sox build a real "new Comiskey" on the site of the original one, the same way that the Yankees did a new take on the original Yankee Stadium. That would be great. The White Sox have so much history, they really need to do something like that.
Even as a Twins fan I 100% concur. Some teams are too historically important to relocate, and the White Sox are definitely one of those teams.
Agreed. As a Guardians fan I love to hate the ChiSox. It won’t be the same if they move elsewhere.
The Cubs and Sox are such a vital part of the fabric of Chicago in the summer that losing either team would be devastating. That Sox hat symbolizes the southside of chicago perfectly. One of the founding teams of the American League threatening to leave its home is so sad. Especially after a decade plus of piss poor management and play.
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This channel needs to blow up
Well researched and thought out topic
With regard to Phoenix, the current location seems to be centrally located. If you built a stadium in the East Valley, then the West Valley is an hour away. Phoenix is pretty spread out.
The only reason for MLB waiving the relocation fee for the A's is that John Fisher must have made a backroom deal with the other owners to move the A's, sell the Vegas team before the Vegas stadium is even built, and in return, the other small-market owners get to use the A's as an example, and get to leverage/threaten their local governments for free money in stadium renovations otherwise they would move as well. That's the only reason why MLB keeps insisting the A's don't have to pay a relocation fee, otherwise, there wouldn't be a relocation fee at all.
The owners are going to slam dunk approve the A's move to Vegas, because each of the owners want the ability to pick up and move whenever they have a whim to do so, and they all want to create the precedent to approve these moves.
Are all of the owners going to waive relocation fees? Teams that are not moving may not be too happy about that. And while I thought the Moneyball Act had little chance of getting anywhere, if 8 teams get involved the equation starts to change. That's a lot of fans to complain to their Representatives
The former mayor of Anaheim pled guilty a few days ago regarding his role in the now revoked sale of the Angel Stadium land. Besides Long Beach, Tustin has been mentioned as a new home.
Do you think Irvine is a potential spot for the Angels too. Irvine is a sports city and innovative city i believe. What do you think of Irvine?
Long Beach native here. Interesting enough Long Beach was the first choice when the Angels were looking to leave Dodger Stadium and build there own. However, once the city fathers insisted that the team be called the Long Beach Angels, well that ended that. Anaheim was not quite as choosy over the city team name and the rest as we say is history!
@@larrystaley21 Also, Walt Disney was on the Angels board of directors and suggested Anaheim because of the location of his park and that there was vacant land surrounded by three highways.
@@MeToo-py1tq Irvine would be convenient for most of the OC. The cost of land may be a bit high nowadays.
The White Sox should tear down Guaranteed Rate, play at Wrigley for 2-3 seasons, and build a retro park which faces downtown at 35th and Shields.
Fans of baseball = "I hate that this is a distraction for the Baltimore Orioles during this wonderful season they're having"
Orioles Owner = "What a perfect time to threaten relocation! If I did when the team stunk, people wouldn't care, now they do, let's milk as much free money from these suckers as we can!!"
The difference between fans and owners. It's disgusting what's happening in baseball. The league is fundamentally broken without a salary cap/floor, and with this new threat of relocation from small market owners? I give up. I would rather watch the Savannah Bananas at this point and I hope MLB loses its anti-trust exemption and implodes.
And Baltimore is such a fine place.
From an engineering standpoint, retractable roofs have a lot of mechanical moving parts and enclosed stadiums require extensive HVAC systems that require constant maintenance and don't last forever. That is why stadiums like Chase Field and American Family Field will either need to be replaced or extensively renovated well before a stadium that does not have a roof, especially as both regions experience climate extremes in one season or another (hot summers in Arizona and cold winters in Wisconsin).
Move all teams to Alaska where the weather is nice in the summertime
Not buying the retractable roofs thing. Shiny new( mostly NOT needed) roofs are just a luxury item. A roof doesn't help with snow. Most are not player friendly. Why not always leave them closed for games. Open when not in use. People that live near Miami or Phoenix are used to that kind of heat.
A roof doesn’t help with snow?
@@randallcurwen8041 If it's too much it will collapse. You still must clear parking lots. Have you seen Superdome?
@randallcurwen8041 bad take here. We are used to the heat but we aren't interested in spectating at 110f.
I really hope the Sox stays in Chicago and on the South Side.
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Yet another fantastic video, Brodie.
I think we're going to start seeing what's happening with the NCAA"s recent radical re-alignment madness. Teams nearing the end of their leases are going to get cities bidding against each other for the next best deal; history, fans, connection with the local area be damned.
The only difference is college football is a sport that is in high demand with sell outs and high television ratings. Baseball doesn't have that leverage, because it's moving in the other direction.
Most cities are calling their bluff. Even Vegas citizens are set to favor expansion (which doesn’t help MLB’s goal here).
Changing conferences isn't the same as relocating
@@adamsmith583 In a way it is because it breaks up established rivalries. I'm a Mizzou fan, our big rival when I was growing up were the Kansas Jayhawks but now we hardly ever play them. It's true that my team is still where it always was but that does make a difference.
@@adamsmith583 No but the driving principle is the same. Leveraging and chasing better deals/money at the expense of staying put where you are.
There wasn't even an insinuation about moving away from teams' cities in the first three segments (Baltimore, KC, Arizona).
If mlb starts moving franchises around like pieces on a chessboard like the nfl does, they’re going to lose fans in droves and completely destroy the sport. As a former nfl fan I never forgave the Houston Oilers ownership for moving the team to Tennessee due to their greed for a new stadium at taxpayer expense. And even though Houston ultimately got another nfl team I had already lost interest in the nfl. If Astros owners had moved the baseball team I’d have lost interest in baseball too.
Just ask Dean Spanos he ripped 56 years of the Chargers out of sd and instead became freeloaders in a2nd banana in LA where everyone sees them as an afterthought. Manfraud is abusing his power and the other sports leagues would put this on notice.
I share the same sentiments..just insert Oakland Raiders and hopefully not the Oakland A’s.
Although I live on the Gulf Coast, I hated seeing the Raiders moving to LA then back to Oakland then to Las Vegas. I remember them when they were an NFL powerhouse and Ken Stabler was one of my favorite quarterbacks when I was a kid. And I would hate to see the Athletics move too. We used to catch a handful of Rangers games on TV back in the early '70s and I always liked watching them play against Charlie Finley's A's back then. Every time Catfish Hunter was on the mound, he was almost sure to win.
The Astrodome used to be called the eigth wonder of the world.
The New York Yankees have a Minor League affiliate (Single A) in Tampa, Florida.
Makes me more and more thankful for Dodger stadium. Privately owned. 61 years old, still as nice as the day it was opened.
@805fillmore well the Rams left LA for St. Louis, so the leaving LA for Indy wouldn't be too far from fruition. Wealthy businessmen love handouts and wouldn't care if they move their big market team to a small market.
@@805fillmore it may seem very ludicrous, but greed knows no boundaries.
Yes, but a terrible, controversial past with the building in Chavez Ravine and displacement of thousands of people who lived there.
Coors Field (Rockies) signed a lease agreement through 2047. It'll have been there for a total of 52 years at that point! I hope my Rox can win a WS in that time!
I would love it if the Diamondbacks could work with the Coyotes to create a duel venue situation, with an entertainment district in between the two venues. There is A LOT of empty land for development in that area.
And put it away from Phoenix too. Put it in like Mesa or Gilbert or something
The situation in Baltimore, the owner is jealous of another's success. Where is the risk on the owners part? The people of Baltimore and Maryland have foot the bill for Camden Yards. The Ownership has raked in the profits.
It’s time for collective bargaining from these host cities. There aren’t enough destinations for all of them. So call their bluff.
Yes. "Sorry - we have no money. You can move your team. I think Davenport Iowa might be a good place!"
Austin, Charlotte, San Antonio, Nashville, Orlando, Portland, Raleigh, Montreal, Salt Lake City, Sacramento.....plenty of thriving metros that would be a more successful base for an
Kauffman Stadium itself isn't the worst, but the location is brutal.
all I know is if the Sox move from Chicago im DONE with baseball.
Bruh
That almost happened with me in 1988 when they tried it before
August 26th 2023 04:07 CT.
I hate how they demolished the original Yankee Stadium before its 100th birthday.
The problem with the, "it's just buisness" argument is that kind of thinking isn't what made professional sports what it is. You have 100+ year old fan bases, tradition, rivalries everything going out the window. It's really not just another buisness. Apple, Amazon, Tesla can move their companies, who cares? You can't just keep moving teams and expect fans to keep caring.
Money really is the root of all evil.
The Raiders are a bad joke.
Braves: Boston to Milwaukee to Atlanta. A's: Philly to KC to Oakland to....LV? Washington Senators to Texas Rangers. Exposure to Washington Nationals. Brooklyn Covers to LA. New York Giants to SF. It's happened forever.
Actually, the Senators (DC) moved here in MN in November 1960
@@onomatopoeia162003 There were TWO different Washington Senators teams. The first one moved to Minnesota (as you mentioned) and was immediately replaced with an expansion Senators team. That one moved to DFW in 1972 and became the Texas Rangers.
Rays have the top 10-11 tv market, the owners will not allow them to move and deal for Ybor stadium is likley at end of season.
Not a Sox fan and I still call it New Comisky. Hope the Sox Don't leave, like he says in the video- this team has a ton of history and hate they get overshadowed by the Cubs. I've been looking forward taking the red line down every other year we play them there.
They were once your team's (Brewers) division rivals. I can see why you would respect them over the Cubs.
@@juicyfartsofjimcornette1154 I can't see ever respecting the White Sox.
@@keithpodhradsky1314Rodney Dangerfield of baseball
I disagree the A’s are a precedent. If you have the last multipurpose ballpark and you’ve been there 60 years, you might be allowed to move. So the Rays can get to move in a 30-40 years based on that.
I made a comment on an A's Facebook page above the Angel's moving to Oakland. I think the team would be welcomed if the A's do indeed move. A little poetic seeing how the movie Angel's in the Outfield was filmed in Oakland.
yeah moving from the 2nd largest market to a small obscure market...that makes a whole lot of sense
We would prefer to keep the Athletics . With the exception of Tampa Bay, none of these teams have a good reason to relocate and or ask for a new ballpark. All are tied to private real estate development that they do not have to share revenue with MLB. But they are using public money and getting tax breaks included. No, no, no.
@@michaelmagic988the A’s and Raiders moved to a worse market. Both those teams have terrible owners
Wtf
Sorry, Oakland is a dying City/sports market!
The new stadiums in the UK, such as Tottenham and Arsenal's new stadiums, weren't built with public money either. Unlike the sports team owners in the USA, the teams aren't owned by a bunch of Welfare Queens.
Interesting that some of the teams are talking about building stadiums that incorporate retail & housing in their project. Like Howard terminal? Maybe Fisher should buy an expansion team that'll be happy in a 9 acre domed stadium in the smallest media market and sell the A's to one of the ownership groups that are thinking of bigger, inclusive stadiums. The work is almost done on the stadium (HT) that those teams are talking about. #SellTheTeam
So you mean its just a cheesy real estate deal and the team does'nt matter at all. Get real people.
Either put the Rays in Tampa proper or move them out of state. St Pete has always and will always be a nightmare to get in and out of. I'd hate to see them in Orlando.
not everyone wants urban stadiums with 'fend for yourself' parking
Let them all move. I wish the Tigers were one of those teams. I am so done watching pro sports. Tired of the greed.
Kauffman opened in 1973. Currently the 6th oldest stadium and no need to move #SaveTheK
It’s not just about the fans in those cities it’s also about opposing fans, I’m sure for example Cardinals fans enjoy beating the Milwaukee brewers specifically and if they were a different team in a city with no history the dynamic between the fanbases would be different. Some cities are baseball institutions and some rivalries are baseball institutions & losing those institutions is bad for the game
What did you think was going to happen as all of these stadia reach their 30 year mark with leases expiring? Did you think teams were just going to say, “hey, our stadium is still nice, let’s not extort anything and just sign a new lease”?
What happens when my house needed new hvac? Hopefully we saved for it. Can’t operate a business/home and expect to make no investments on your own.
@@brodiebrazilwow Brodie sick brag on owning a house
@@brodiebrazilexactly Brodie!
Oddly, the Carolina Hurricanes are doing just that, they extended their lease on their arena until the 2040's.
As a European who recently started following MLB, owners clawing for tax payer money by threatening to leave is one of the ugliest and least understandable aspects of the sport. I get that it's a business, and I'm not actually opposed to using public money to support sports (in the same way tax payers fund the arts). It's just happening in a really dirty way. The relationship between the team, the city, and the people is almost like a sacred bond, and when team owners use that relationship as leverage, trust is broken and fans - across the country - are alienated.
The white Sox aren’t moving anywhere. They just are trying to get a new stadium, they threatened to move to Tampa in the 80s to get there way. The rest of the teams are either doing the same or trying to get renovations paid for. It’s an idle threat for these teams that won’t go anywhere
Support your local college and highschool baseball teams ; they're not going anywhere !!!!
They lack talent.
The thing with the angels moving is that a 20 mile move north in socal is another hour in traffic to go to a game on a weekday night. I wouldn’t make that drive to watch them lose a game when the relievers inevitably blow it
1 HUGE thing you did not address is not many cities out there looking for a Baseball team. Sure Vegas will take the A's. Where the f are the Brewers going??? Who is looking to acquire the the Diamondbacks ??? Baseball is not a growing sport like Soccer/Basketball and the Almighty Football
The interesting thing in Milwaukee is that their lease mandates that the govt provide maintenance and upgrades and they haven’t done it. Brewers could use that to break the lease and move to Nashville before 2030. And that’s not a city name out of a hat, it’s where their Triple-A team currently plays. The local fans are already familiar with many of the Brewers players either because they are recent call-ups or played through rehab stints.
@@sirchi8731 I don’t disagree with that. The state has been running a budget surplus lately and the Republican-led legislature just keeps proposing top-heavy tax cuts instead of actually doing something with the money. That is why Gov. Evers proposed the $290 million mentioned in the video, the state has that money just sort of sitting around doing nothing.
Now, is there a huge difference between tax cuts for the wealthy and paying for upgrades to a stadium? Probably not, but the lease says they have to do it anyway.
I’d prefer the state spend the money on schools and transportation, specifically the often proposed rail system connecting Chicago and Minneapolis through Milwaukee and Madison.
@@sirchi8731 - Spoken like the uneducated
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@@brenthauer8365 - Start a fundraiser. Taxpayers from ALL OVER THE WORLD can donate as much as they want, anytime to help fund the renovations for the Milwaukee Brewers. That goes for the other sports teams too.
Lived in Nashville for about 10 years, and the Brewers would be signing up for 162 road games if they moved to Nashville. Nashville is VERY much Braves country (I'd go as far as to say there are more Braves fans in Nashville than in Atlanta). If MLB really wants a team there, their best bet is expansion (and there's already an ownership group in place). Any relocation there that doesn't involve the Braves would be DOA.
@@js1031 I don’t buy that one bit. There’s a large contingent of braves fans there now because it’s who they show on TV most often (also in the Washington/Baltimore home market). Put a team there, in a nice new stadium, and put them on the local stations and a nashville team will have plenty of support.
The A's can play in Las Vegas Ballpark until the new stadium is finished. They would have to work it out with the Aviators minor league team though.. or play in the unused Sam Boyd Stadium.
Downtown Phoenix may not be a great downtown but seems like Sun's fans don't have a problem with it. They are across the street from each other.
Basketball and baseball fan bases don't overlap. Also, basketball is a winter sport while baseball's primary season is summer.
@@HighpointerGeocacher I'm unsure how that's relevant. The point was that they are both downtown.
Its understood that the last threat by the Sox to leave the South Side was just a ruse, to get the state to pay for the stadium. Now the vogue is for team owners to have a retail area they can own outside the park. Arlington Heights cannot even make a deal w/ the Bears...
@Brodie Brazil's vocal chain is on point.
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I may not be a baseball fan, but as a hockey fan, the NHL had its own relocation crisis back in the 90's with the Nordiques, Whalers, Jets, and North Stars. Relocation is devastating for any sport, and it's not fair for the fans. The Nordiques and North Stars both won Stanley Cups immediately following their moves to Colorado and Dallas, and the wounds have never been healed in those cities. They didn't deserve to have their championships robbed from them like that. Sports leagues playing hot potato with their stadiums needs to end. It's just a grift to billionaires subsidized by the working class solely so that they can keep building more luxury suites for higher profits from their rich fans. Most of the stadiums here aren't old and in need of replacement. They just aren't luxurious enough to satisfy their owners. They're treating their stadiums the same way they treat housing. As nothing more than an investment to be bought, bulldozed, and resold at overinflated prices at the expense of the working class. It's time we stop building these status symbols masquerading as stadiums, and return to building humbly like the jewel box era and force these owners to build these stadiums themselves. They're rich enough to do so. They just refuse to because they're greedy bastards who don't care about their fans.
I was living in Colorado at the time of the Nordiques' move to Denver. It was far better for a team to be in a thriving metropolitan area in the scenic state of Colorado than in a smaller, French-speaking foreign city.
@@HighpointerGeocacher The NHL is North America's hockey league. Not just America's. So it most certainly is not a "foreign city." Denver could've gotten an expansion team. It didn't need to come at Quebec City's expense. And besides, small market teams can succeed, and in Canada of all places, they most certainly can and it did. They had one of the league's most passionate fanbases and the Battle of Quebec is still to this day one of hockey's most legendary and fierce rivalries. Winnipeg has a metro population of barely over 800k people, yet they also have one of the most passionate fanbases in hockey.
Just read an article about the Brewers where the district is on track to be out of money in a few short years and Brewers are asking for the $ now to ensure they get the funding. Priorities?
The Sox will always play second fiddle to the city’s lovable team the Chicago Cubs. I think they want to get out of the shadow of the Cubs.
I would like to see Nashville get a Team. A rapidly growing, young and vibrant city.
Still a smaller market than Chicago without large TV and radio revenue like Chicago , owners are going to have to approve leaving a big market ( top 3) for a place in the 20s
Oracle Park will become a legacy park, no doubt. It looks as good now as it did in 2000. It is very well kept. Hats off to the Giants for getting that right. Now, regarding Farhan Zaidy and Gabe Kapler, but that's another problem.
And another thing that needs to stop isl teams getting a new stadium when they don't need one like Kansas City.. MLB makes me almost not want to watch anymore.
Same with the other sports.
Kauffman Stadium, despite its age, is still one of the best stadiums in MLB. There is no need for the Royals to move anywhere, especially if they want the taxpayers to foot the bulk of the bill. Building a new ballpark would be a lateral move, at best, not an improvement.
PS-- Kauffman opened in 1973.
Wouldn't blame anyone leaving Chicago.
More context on the Orioles situation: the Angelos brothers sued each other over control of the team; with it being insinuated that John Angelos wants to move the team to Nashville.
New York and LA are the only cities that support two teams successfully. Even then, the Yankees and Dodgers get the lions share.
There is only one MLB team in Los Angeles. Orange County is no more a part of L.A. than San Diego, San Francisco or Alameda counties. If the Anaheim team moved to Long Beach then they would be in L.A. County, if not the city. Anaheim needs new ownership, a new team name and a more regional concept as the only American League team in Southern California (and maybe all of CA soon...)
@@ZackfromNoHo Nor do the Cowboys play in Dallas, or the Jets/Giants play in NY. Those teams, Angels included, are supported by those markets although they don’t play within the city limits.
There have been times when the Mets were more popular than the Yankees. These include late 60's and early 70's, when the Mets won the 1969 World Series and were a contender for several years thereafter while the Yankees were in a down cycle before Steinbrenner purchased the team and the first Yankee Stadium was renovated; also in the 1980's and early 1990's around the time of the Mets' 1986 World Series victory, and the Yankees were in another down cycle until the teams of Torre, Jeter et. al. began winning multiple World Series titles starting in 1996.
That happened with the NFL back in the 1990s.
I’m glad I live in an are that won’t be shaken down for billions of dollars to line the pockets of super rich MLB owners. It’s absolutely theft and one of the drivers of huge paychecks to pro athletes and skyrocketed profits for these owners.
I hope I’m wrong but I see MLB being completely different in just a few years
I see a complete divisional realignment coming and cities that have a team won’t have them
Great commentary and top notch production!
Infrastructure across America is in bad shape. Fix the roads and bridges first!
Manfred has shot MLB in the foot by "promising" to waive relocation fees for the A's. Every other baseball owner: "What about us?!"
It IS an encouraging sign that so many major sports teams are waking up to what a bad idea it is to play in stadiums on cheap land, far from the city center, in oceans of surface parking, adding virtually no wealth to the city they're in. One of the things European teams get so right is how they build stadiums in the center of town, accessible by transit, surrounded with bars, restaurants, and shopping that makes for an amazing pre-and-post game experience.
Europe is different that the USA. It is considerably older and more densely populated. Land area of England is 50,130 sq. mi. which would rank 29th if it was a USA state. Thus, more than half of the USA states are larger in area than England. However, the population of England is over 56 million, which is over 17 million more than California, or larger than the combined populations of Texas and Florida. England is more densely populated than every USA state except for New Jersey.
I am a White Sox fan living in Wisconsin. Both the Sox and the Brewers leaving would be game changers for me. My two favorite teams! I would go to the Cubs.
I think your “hot take” on the White Sox is what we here like to call “out of town stupid” meaning that locals know what’s really going on and you’re not really close. Jerry Reinsdorf grew up in Brooklyn and knows what it’s like to have a team move away, so while he owns the team, his likelihood of relocation is very low. He might, however relocate within the metro area. After he dies or sells,completely different story. There’s more, but it’s not my video.
It’s Milwaukee journal sentinel
Orlando has had trouble supporting the Magic when they aren't good. It's a tourist trap city. The Magic would be better off playing somewhere other than Orlando.
As a fan of the Arizona Coyotes of the NHL, let me tell you. Downtown Phoenix is a good spot for the D-backs. Good luck getting Tempe to sign on to a deal, they would have rather had an actual dump than a sports venue using a cent of public money.
I miss the Coyotes playing downtown in the same place where the Suns play. Not sure why they couldn’t figure things out there. Did the Suns not wanna share the arena? It’s so ridiculous the Coyotes have to play at a dinky NCAA arena in Tempe due to the Glendale Arena B.S. Couldn’t the Coyotes temporarily play at the old Veterans Coliseum? I realize it’s not ideal by NHL standards, but it seats far more people than the ASU hockey arena.
@@m.kennedy342 The Suns arena was built for basketball, so the second deck actually hung over the ice surface, making some of the seats basically worthless. It's the entire reason they built the glendale arena. As for the old vet, I'm not sure how well the place holds up for hockey considering its been over 20 years since the last hockey game was played there
Old, original teams such as the White Sox should not be allowed to move unless there’s no other alternative. They’ve been in the AL since it was founded and only one of four original remaining teams. The other teams I don’t really care.
Populations and demographics change throughout the years. 120 years ago, most of the USA population was in the Northeast and Midwest. The only major city in the western USA was San Francisco; Los Angeles didn't move into the ranks of major USA cities until after the completion of the Los Angeles Aqueduct in 1913 and the establishment of the motion picture industry in that decade, enabling the city to pass the 500,000 mark in 1920. Because teams traveled by train, it was infeasible to have teams stationed so far away until jet travel became widespread in the late 1950's,
Also, prior to the 1960's the South was mostly rural, segregated, and considerably poorer than the North, and not many people could live in places with very hot summer climates prior to the widespread adoption of air conditioning. However, the South is now the fastest-growing region in the USA and for the most part is doing better economically than the North, as exemplified by the widespread movement of people and businesses to that region. Thus, there are several southern metropolitan areas (i.e. Charlotte, Raleigh-Durham, Nashville, Orlando, Austin, San Antonio, etc.) that are more populous than some northern metropolitan areas with MLB teams, and these southern cities are growing at fast rates while the populations of their northern counterparts are stagnant or declining.
Chicago has two teams, the Cubs and White Sox, but that is antiquated and one of the teams should move. The population of Chicago is declining, the city is experiencing many problems and its crime rate is one of the worst in the USA, particularly in the South Side where the White Sox play.
In the early 50's, there were two teams in Boston, St. Louis, and Philadelphia, but it was antiquated for those cities to each have two teams when there were large cities that did not have an MLB team. Thus, in each case, the less popular of the two teams in each of those cities moved to another city. I don't think many people bemoaned the loss of one of the two teams in those cities as there was a remaining team, and other cities got a new team.
@2:00 or so, Brodie says some teams have been around for 'centuries' but he most have misspoke as no team in the USA has been around for that long.
@8:02 - Arizona's stadium has a "leaky retractable roof" and that's a complaint? I lived in Phoenix for a while, and, news flash, it never rains (or rarely does), being in the middle of a desert. Crybaby Diamondbacks.
Best solution for the O's: Have the city buy the team like the Packers with Green Bay. No more Angelos family to screw things up.
It doesn't rain in Arizona, what leaky roof!?
It's time for cities and fans to start a FUNDRAISER. Any taxpayer FROM ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD that wants to DONATE to get sports teams renovations or a new stadium/arena should be allowed to do so.
Please repost this message all over the net.
I would love to see the Athletics come home to Philadelphia. I’m just pipe dreaming, but I’m sure the market is easily large enough. The Phils would never let that happen for obvious reasons. ⚾️
Might as well. No nostalgia for them in KC. They were a dumpster fire here.
I’m an a’s fan. If they moved back to Philly that would be the only way I stay an a’s fan. I’m not rooting for a Las Vegas team, just like I don’t root for a Las Vegas football team.
Brewers aren’t going. Fans are too loyal
I live here in Baltimore I have been an Orioles fan for almost 65 years the team is owned by a family of shysters my father always told me politicians used car dealers Bank presidents and lawyers are the worst people on earth I don't trust them 1984 we lost the Baltimore Colts and a lot of people have never forgot that Bob from Baltimore
As a Pirate fan, it wouldn't break my heart to see them leave Pittsburgh, considering their atrocious play on the field.
Pittsburgh and PNC Park deserves a team worthy of MLB status. Shit! I'd take the Orioles' roster right about now. Even the Rays or the Brewers.
The Brewer's should look to move to Tampa. The Rays could upgrade their stadium by moving to Milwaukee. White Sox to Baltimore, then move the Orioles to Chicago. LA D'backs and the Arizona Angels has a nice sound to it. And send the A's back to KC. There....problem solved 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
In regards to the English football clubs they almost all own their stadium. Baseball teams should be the owners of their stadiums and this nonsense would stop.
Ball parks use to built in surrounding neighborhoods. Now, Surrounding neighborhoods are being built around ball parks.
My great grandfather was a Philadelphia A's fan.
When they moved to Kansas City, it broke his heart, and he gave up on MLB baseball.
If your team was in Oakland or Chicago I think the move question is very easy. Move. The city governments are an embarrassment. The crime is rampant.
13:39 - 13:44 No, it's the Journal Sentinel. They were two separate newspapers and then they merged in the 80's when the Journal bought the Sentinel.
I think cities , counties, and states need to get out of the arena and stadium business. Can you imagine a city opening up a flower shop? Or a candy store? How about a factory? If a sports team wants a new stadium, let him buy some land and build one, the people of the city, county, and state shouldn't be paying for them. We certainly don't get a cut of the ticket sales or the concessions.
If the owners want to leave, good bye. Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out.
Chase field is a dump, its way to big for baseball. It was built as a multi purpose stadium in hopes of the Cards joining them. The downtown location is right across the street from the Suns arena and at the time Jerry Colangelo owned both teams. I have a feeling they will build in Scottsdale or on the reservation
Considering I’m from Orlando. I can in fact say Orlando rly wants a sports team so it would be cool too have the city get a baseball team. I’m personally a Phillies fan but hey getting a 3rd FL team would make it alot easier to catch my team play. Sorry not sorry 🙃
Governor Brown signed a state law prohibiting state tax dollars for being used to build a pro stadium.
That would be former California governor Jerry Brown, right?
@@juicyfartsofjimcornette1154 yes
My cousin Joe Borchard still has the longest recorded home run in White Sox (insert name here) Stadium. Must admit it'd be pretty cool to have that legacy in a defunct stadium or even a refurbished establishment in the same spot.