I learned this myself...most watts done at front of group and back of group but being at the back you have way more surge efforts and you burn matches without realizing it...so everyone stay at the back and I'll sit second wheel...lol
I think he was joking about coasting off the front to attack, but I did it in two road races this year. Having to brake in the peloton is one of my pet peeves, so when the lead group slows for no reason down a hill I just go wide and roll past them. Nobody chases because they don't see it as an attack since I'm not pedaling, and it's early in the race. A couple hundred yards away at the bottom, I give a moderate effort up the hill, maintaining the gap, then tuck down the next hill, conserving energy, and could no longer see them behind me. Of course a strong breakaway eventually caught me, as I allowed them to at the top of a big climb, but I guaranty they burned a lot more energy than I did during that period, and the peloton was split. They attacked immediately, but I was fresher than anybody else at that point, and easily hooked on. Conserving energy is an art. The biggest mistake would have been to kill myself trying to hold that lead for the whole 75 mile race- I would have failed, bonked, and been shucked off the back, as happens so often to solo efforts. Never touch the brakes when you can change lanes and pass instead. Only works if it's hilly (hilly and curvy is best)- don't try it on a flat course!
@@TrainerRoad ... And making other riders suffer and expend energy so they have none left when it matters! Not only did they have to work hard to catch me up a long climb, they then willingly towed me for the next 20+ miles because they thought I was suffering (being a good actor helps!). On the brakes- every time you hit them, that lost momentum has to be replaced from your legs eventually. Love your shows guys!
I'm from England and stopped racing before you guys were born probably, but our crits are/were usually on tight circuits in town centres. The roads are typically narrow, the bends are usually sharp right angles so the racing is very concentrated into hard braking and re-accelerating. The thought of energy conservation in these circumstances seems lower down the priority list than simply staying on the bike and keeping in the front 8 or so riders where the action is. One tight crit I well remember was in Hertford. I had 2 club team mates with me. The best rider of us crashed in the first lap when his tub rolled off, I kept nearish to the front and hung onto my position for grim death and it didn't seem long before we were lapping the field and eliminating riders. It then became apparent that we weren't catching riders, our group of 7 were the last in the race with me hanging onto the back. When the finish came I managed to pass just one rider ahead of me for 6th place, which since I'd been out of my depth in this race I was really pleased with. I've watched and enjoyed hours of your videos and wished in some respects that we'ed had that tech' and knowledge in my day (the 80's - 90's), but at least there were far fewer cars on the roads back then here in the old country. Keep it going guys, allez allez!
Umm Hi I am 16 years old and Ian still wondering what proper breathing technique should I use? The Diaphragmatic or belly breathing or the chest breathing? Maybe u can help me what kind of technique u use ?
@@clarenceofficial3237 Hi Clarence, if you meant to ask me then in my opinion don't think about your breathing as you ride, it will take care of it's self according to your effort on the bike. I would say though if you are competing, breathe deeply (hyperventilate) for a minute or so just before the start, if start to feel a little dizzy then you are fully oxygenated in your body and ready for blast off, you may surprise a few. Most important, enjoy yourself.
@@faustusTVR oh ok thanks I practice that I feel dizzy but I didn't know that I am fully oxygenated. I love to climb I'll work hard for it . God Bless Thanks
Quentin Ikuta if you are at the back of the field in a crit it is far more dangerous . For sure but if you are drafting on the straights and let off just before the turn you will not be so effected by the accordion and will not have to sprint back up to speed out of every corner . You save a tremendous amount of energy . So you are coasting through the corner and catching back on when the race is backup to speed maintaining a steady pace . It’s very subtle
Great content, but small technical request that covers many of these - can you guys work to normalize speed sound levels. It's hard to listen on a trainer if one guy is super loud and you can't hear someone else.
Nate! Hi! I am Jon. I am also 6'6 with a 38.5 inch inseam and 29.9 inch knee to floor length. I was wondering what center-of-bottom-bracket to seat height do you run (or what measure do you use to set saddle height). Your s-works venge, do you run a 58cm or a 61cm? The specialized site recommended I get a 58cm and run it at 33.5 inch height (c-bb to seat), but that seems a bit low (I ride at 35 inch c-bb to seat currently. I could add further details about my fit, but I doubt its helpful/ your interested so I will leave it there.
I learned this myself...most watts done at front of group and back of group but being at the back you have way more surge efforts and you burn matches without realizing it...so everyone stay at the back and I'll sit second wheel...lol
The only reason to attack is to get a nice photo.
A+ for this comment lol
Great content. The race analysis segments and these pro tips are great. Keep these up!
I think he was joking about coasting off the front to attack, but I did it in two road races this year. Having to brake in the peloton is one of my pet peeves, so when the lead group slows for no reason down a hill I just go wide and roll past them. Nobody chases because they don't see it as an attack since I'm not pedaling, and it's early in the race. A couple hundred yards away at the bottom, I give a moderate effort up the hill, maintaining the gap, then tuck down the next hill, conserving energy, and could no longer see them behind me. Of course a strong breakaway eventually caught me, as I allowed them to at the top of a big climb, but I guaranty they burned a lot more energy than I did during that period, and the peloton was split. They attacked immediately, but I was fresher than anybody else at that point, and easily hooked on. Conserving energy is an art. The biggest mistake would have been to kill myself trying to hold that lead for the whole 75 mile race- I would have failed, bonked, and been shucked off the back, as happens so often to solo efforts. Never touch the brakes when you can change lanes and pass instead. Only works if it's hilly (hilly and curvy is best)- don't try it on a flat course!
It's all about harnessing that free speed and saving that energy for when it really matters!
@@TrainerRoad ... And making other riders suffer and expend energy so they have none left when it matters! Not only did they have to work hard to catch me up a long climb, they then willingly towed me for the next 20+ miles because they thought I was suffering (being a good actor helps!). On the brakes- every time you hit them, that lost momentum has to be replaced from your legs eventually.
Love your shows guys!
I'm from England and stopped racing before you guys were born probably, but our crits are/were usually on tight circuits in town centres. The roads are typically narrow, the bends are usually sharp right angles so the racing is very concentrated into hard braking and re-accelerating. The thought of energy conservation in these circumstances seems lower down the priority list than simply staying on the bike and keeping in the front 8 or so riders where the action is. One tight crit I well remember was in Hertford. I had 2 club team mates with me. The best rider of us crashed in the first lap when his tub rolled off, I kept nearish to the front and hung onto my position for grim death and it didn't seem long before we were lapping the field and eliminating riders. It then became apparent that we weren't catching riders, our group of 7 were the last in the race with me hanging onto the back. When the finish came I managed to pass just one rider ahead of me for 6th place, which since I'd been out of my depth in this race I was really pleased with.
I've watched and enjoyed hours of your videos and wished in some respects that we'ed had that tech' and knowledge in my day (the 80's - 90's), but at least there were far fewer cars on the roads back then here in the old country. Keep it going guys, allez allez!
Umm Hi I am 16 years old and Ian still wondering what proper breathing technique should I use? The Diaphragmatic or belly breathing or the chest breathing? Maybe u can help me what kind of technique u use ?
@@clarenceofficial3237 Hi Clarence, if you meant to ask me then in my opinion don't think about your breathing as you ride, it will take care of it's self according to your effort on the bike. I would say though if you are competing, breathe deeply (hyperventilate) for a minute or so just before the start, if start to feel a little dizzy then you are fully oxygenated in your body and ready for blast off, you may surprise a few. Most important, enjoy yourself.
@@faustusTVR oh ok thanks I practice that I feel dizzy but I didn't know that I am fully oxygenated. I love to climb I'll work hard for it
. God Bless Thanks
Love race strategy, thanks!
Really nice conversation here. I’d love to see you bring in some professional Women to discuss racing and training as well.
Thanks!
Quentin Ikuta if you are at the back of the field in a crit it is far more dangerous . For sure but if you are drafting on the straights and let off just before the turn you will not be so effected by the accordion and will not have to sprint back up to speed out of every corner . You save a tremendous amount of energy . So you are coasting through the corner and catching back on when the race is backup to speed maintaining a steady pace . It’s very subtle
Great content, but small technical request that covers many of these - can you guys work to normalize speed sound levels. It's hard to listen on a trainer if one guy is super loud and you can't hear someone else.
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Nate! Hi! I am Jon. I am also 6'6 with a 38.5 inch inseam and 29.9 inch knee to floor length.
I was wondering what center-of-bottom-bracket to seat height do you run (or what measure do you use to set saddle height). Your s-works venge, do you run a 58cm or a 61cm?
The specialized site recommended I get a 58cm and run it at 33.5 inch height (c-bb to seat), but that seems a bit low (I ride at 35 inch c-bb to seat currently.
I could add further details about my fit, but I doubt its helpful/ your interested so I will leave it there.
What about 2 teammates attacking at the same time to establish a breakaway. Does anyone do that?
Sometimes, but in the higher categories the other teams usually chase that down really fast.
How much does Pete weigh ?
Couple'a pounds? A few?
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