as a Malaysian fans, im enjoying this podcast. its a very good session with various views of certain topic and fact come out from it. a very good session and podcast.
If we really want to bring back support for Sg football then it should be through greater investment into existing spl sides, creating more youth cups/competitions (Merlion cup is a good start) or possibly (radical idea here) integrating NFL clubs as a sort of 'feeder team' for spl teams, eg. balestier khalsa absorb balestier united RC and use them as a sort of place to put under 15,16 or 17 youth players and see if they're quality is really better as Rhyan Stewart says. By interacting with the semi professional league, the player pool gets larger and improves community interaction so we have more potential star players that can enter singapores top flight easier (Shawal Anuar is one player that comes to mind) and we essentially create a better pathway for younger players to enter Singapore's top flight. Make the NFL seem like a viable way to grind for a spot on a team in the top flight instead of leaving it as a useless semi-professional league that has so much potential.
Lionsxii did spark national interest for football again. Like it or not, singapore was united during the short-term stint in MSL. The people were all looking forward to weekend match especially if the team was playing home at Jalan besar. School kids & teens were all discussing & criticising the pre-match & post-match so-called analysis. Frankly, those atmosphere are rarely seen nowadays..
I was enjoying a relaxing Friday evening listening to this lovely podcast by Yahoo editor Chia Han Keong & Man City die-hard fan Haizam Shah when from out of nowhere on 24:58 my fellow Sengkanite Neil Humphreys goes in two-footed, studs up on Tottenham!! Clearly he loves the Lilywhites. Come on You Spurs!
Hi guys,. This is lingesh here...I think about joining the Malaysian league is not viable since, if I am not wrong it's a FIFA requirement for qualifications and to receive aid/assistance; that you have to have your own domestic League.....
And yes Neil with regards to your template....if you actually googled the number of stadiums in sg, you will be surprised by the number.... A new one in ponggol is coming up. But, I agree most need upgrading and then we can actually have clubs permanently based in these stadiums and have local teams... I believe it is about the money in the end... For the local clubs FAS have to pump money (save LCS) unless they are privately owned .... Neil would you think a community ownership will work in sg ( like AFC Wimbledon, Grays Athletic)... Also in the alternative, do you think a consilium formed for taking ownership of one club is variable (like crystal palace) since it's hard to get one sole owner, as the amount to be invested is put off?
agree on the stadiums, old Jurong stadium is the best example , the stadium is rotting away with no major upgrade with proper major upgrade old Jurong we have at least proper football only stadium why not how follow the Bundesliga 50+1 rule..
@@MuhammadRidwan-yz6sb if Singapore clubs want to roll out some hybrid of the 50+1 rule, they will need to do very good sales pitch to convince potential investors/fans to invest the moneys into the club?
Why not maybe combine the Malaysian and Singaporean leagues? That way it'll improve both country's footballing standards and rekindling old rivalries that'll add extra interest to the footballing fans of both countries
its workable, but it will be hard to manage it...esp talking abt revenue and money things. as you know currency differences plays a huge role. other than that, im not lowering sg teams, but malaysian teams playing quite high intensity with the help of such a great import players. if sg team can handle these intense games esp playing team like Kedah, JDT and selangor that plays a great level of football, then its fine. Its a great idea if win-win situation came out of it. But tbh, it does only help on SG side, while for MY side, they only stay on their level hoping that they can either chase Jdt or they hope on the fall of JDT era.
As a Malaysian, combining or inviting foreign club to our domestic league is a BIG NO. We saw the negative impact happening in SPL by allowing foreign club's to participate. So why we need to repeat your mistake?
Absolutely no. You think we will allow many small country clubs to join our league?😂 No, I don't see any benefits for Malaysia, to let that idea become true. I just saw the benefits are just go to Singapore only, if ur idea become true. If Singapore really want to join our league, we just allow 1 team only from Singapore to join our league. But, it will happen if Singapore give another agreement to make Malaysia get many benefits if Singapore join Malaysian league back. For me, if Singapore wants to join Malaysia league, this is my order to Singapore if Singapore wanna join our league. 1) All Singapore sponsor need to sponsor all Malaysian club too. 2) Singapore will not get a same prize as Malaysian clubs will get if Singapore become a champion of Malaysian league. Singapore team will get much lower prize than Malaysian clubs will get. 3) Singapore need to allow all Malaysian clubs u-23 to join Singapore Premier League. 4) Every Singapore clubs in Singapore league need to take 3 Malaysian players u-19. 5) Singapore only will participate in Malaysia Super League senior. Singapore can't send their junior teams to join our junior league. But, if Singapore agree about this agreement, I still do not sure...if my idea are enough to give benefits for Malaysia.🤔
Dpmm is not employing any sg players... but they are contributing financially to Spl... this money could be used to help youth development... the main problem is we need more local clubs
Yes! We should have a home and away to promote rivalries in each constituency. But it is still too early to have local spl matches stage at the sports hub. If we can't fill the big stadium, the atmosphere will not be so good. You will hear more frogs singing than from shouting from the fans. Remember, only good atmosphere will strive the players. Jalan besar will be the obvious choice for any finals.
Another big problem we have is the lack of football stars that are adored by the fans. Previously, we had of course Fandi and Sundram. But even players like Rafi Ali, Kadir Yahaya, Hasnim Haron and Steven Tan has solid fan bases that followed them at S-League club level. But how they did they get the fan base in the first place? It’s precisely because they play in the M-League and Malaysia cup. You can argue that by playing in the M-League, the S-League clubs actually attracted more fans. I remember Jurong stadium is always full. Even Gombak United had a good following last time. Another added advantage is that the local players are motivated to do well for their clubs, so that they can join the national team and play in the M-League. Let’s be realistic. We have tried for 30 years to generate interest in the S League and failed terribly. The national team is getting worse by the year. “Develop your national league and you get a better national team”. This statement is a truism which we have held on for 30 years. Anyone who keeps harping on this statement does not care about Singapore football.
As a Malaysian, I would say Asean Super League wont work, it would clash with domestic league schedule and AFC schedule. Beside that, what's the point for a club like JDT, Selangor, Terengganu to play lower standard club around Asean when they can play top Asian club's in ACL and AFC Cup? And now AFC has Conference League, so why need to bother with Asean Super League?
My thoughts exactly. AFC and Conference League should already be incentive enough? (not sure how many clubs can qualify). It's an interesting idea maybe in a knockoff format which is shorter..
i think Singapore should join MSL again because i am sure it will increase their players performance for playing at higher competitive game.. the only problem about Singapore football is their higher up management who're lazy doing their job..
1) There was a time when we were thinking of having football games at the floating platform. It would never have worked out (and will not work out for its replacement, the NS square) just because of the trouble (i.e. Cost). But can you imagine if it did? Good central venue; not too oversized capacity; potential footfall capture. If not for the league, then at least for national team matches. 2) Re: DPMM, I was there at the match against BK at JBS (BK fan here). There were definitely more than 7 fans. While I would rather have more local teams just like everyone else, I'd rather have DPMM than Young Lions. I'd rather have clubs (and more clubs) develop youth internally and youth leagues than having them "develop" in the main league. DPMM I can accept as a warm body to have more competitive games.
i would love the asean super league because as malaysia i want to see my country to be better in football but the problem was is jdt are they want to be in asean super league that because we as fans is really boring it always jdt yeah jdt want that afc spot but other team "oh next game was jdt yeah just put the second team we can't win againt them anywhere" and then if we make asean super league yes it would better then the maaysian super league but where it go are they have the limit is there any spot for afc if we enter that league and do better in the league that what malaysian and thailand team and fans will be asking
Neil, I disagree with you on the comment of a combined team like Lions12 just taking fans away from the S-League teams. A combined team playing in the M-League has all the potential of drawing back fans from all over Singapore and filling up the National Stadium. Let’s stop the insanity of doing things the same mould and expecting different results. Joining the M-League is not about nostalgia and going back to to the past. It is about generating excitement in SG football and bringing in more fans.
It's a quick fix that will generate a lot of fanfare, and bring the fans in. But the talent pool then shrinks. You basically only need 25 (max) Singaporeans to form a squad to compete in the MSL. What happens to other hopeful Singaporeans? Who will they play against? They will be playing against sub-standard footballers and will find their development very difficult. What is far better is to have 3 or 4 well-financed clubs in the SPL. It's not happening yet, but it will happen. There are already signs. LCS is the obvious example, but Geylang now are exploring links with the City Group - let's see where that takes us.
1) Send a SPL team in the Malaysian Super League is a step back 2) Stadiums in Singapore need a major upgrade 3) Agree with a SEA version of Champions 4) If local clubs is privately own is a major boost to the SPL
You think...we are stupid to give your small country to join our league again?😂 And then, you think ur idea to bring SPL clubs to join Malaysia Super League will happen?😂😂 No, it will not happen. As a Malaysian, I don't see any benefits we can get if Singapore clubs join our league. It's just give benefits to Singapore football only. We already saw...Singapore football grow so good, when they join our league, and Singapore football quality level become fall down so badly after out from Malaysian league. And we realize, Singapore in their prime football era, only when Singapore joins Malaysia league. So, when we saw our football right now in top level, and Singapore football in low level. Do you think we will allow Singapore clubs to join our league? Absolutely no. We will not allow Singapore to join. I don't see any benefits we can get from that. It's just benefits for Singapore football to grown up so fast.
SEA Games 2023 - Singapore (0) vs Malaysia (7). And Malaysia was unlucky not to have a few more goals before the final whistle blew. So, how much has Singapore football improved in the years out of the Malaysia Super League? As always, the results speaks for itself! Despite all the tinkering that FAS has done to improve Singapore football over 30 years, well, at 7-0, Singaporeans should ask for their money back from the FAS. I mean it is a joke for Singapore to lose 7-0 to Malaysia after 30 years of the Singapore league. What happened to all the improvement to Singapore football that was supposed to be?
ASEAN Super League will work if you excluded teams that playing in champions League and afc cup. JDT/buriram etc playing in asean super league won't be beneficial for them.
We Malaysians have our own Malaysian League. It will add to the players' burden if an Asean Super League is ever introduced. And sustained injuries are possible. What happens to the national team then?
"theyre like tottenham" lol dpmm literally won your league before covid...TWICE and thats more than your beloved hougang united lmao CHAMPIONS OF *YOUR* LEAGUE YOU'LL NEVER SING THAT
as a Malaysian fans, im enjoying this podcast. its a very good session with various views of certain topic and fact come out from it. a very good session and podcast.
If we really want to bring back support for Sg football then it should be through greater investment into existing spl sides, creating more youth cups/competitions (Merlion cup is a good start) or possibly (radical idea here) integrating NFL clubs as a sort of 'feeder team' for spl teams, eg. balestier khalsa absorb balestier united RC and use them as a sort of place to put under 15,16 or 17 youth players and see if they're quality is really better as Rhyan Stewart says. By interacting with the semi professional league, the player pool gets larger and improves community interaction so we have more potential star players that can enter singapores top flight easier (Shawal Anuar is one player that comes to mind) and we essentially create a better pathway for younger players to enter Singapore's top flight. Make the NFL seem like a viable way to grind for a spot on a team in the top flight instead of leaving it as a useless semi-professional league that has so much potential.
thank you all for the comments. Keep them coming. cheers Neil
I'm all in favour of a combined Malaysia and Singapore league.
Lionsxii did spark national interest for football again. Like it or not, singapore was united during the short-term stint in MSL. The people were all looking forward to weekend match especially if the team was playing home at Jalan besar. School kids & teens were all discussing & criticising the pre-match & post-match so-called analysis. Frankly, those atmosphere are rarely seen nowadays..
I was enjoying a relaxing Friday evening listening to this lovely podcast by Yahoo editor Chia Han Keong & Man City die-hard fan Haizam Shah when from out of nowhere on 24:58 my fellow Sengkanite Neil Humphreys goes in two-footed, studs up on Tottenham!! Clearly he loves the Lilywhites. Come on You Spurs!
Best moment of the show, bro
Hi guys,. This is lingesh here...I think about joining the Malaysian league is not viable since, if I am not wrong it's a FIFA requirement for qualifications and to receive aid/assistance; that you have to have your own domestic League.....
And yes Neil with regards to your template....if you actually googled the number of stadiums in sg, you will be surprised by the number.... A new one in ponggol is coming up. But, I agree most need upgrading and then we can actually have clubs permanently based in these stadiums and have local teams... I believe it is about the money in the end... For the local clubs FAS have to pump money (save LCS) unless they are privately owned .... Neil would you think a community ownership will work in sg ( like AFC Wimbledon, Grays Athletic)... Also in the alternative, do you think a consilium formed for taking ownership of one club is variable (like crystal palace) since it's hard to get one sole owner, as the amount to be invested is put off?
agree on the stadiums, old Jurong stadium is the best example , the stadium is rotting away with no major upgrade
with proper major upgrade old Jurong we have at least proper football only stadium
why not how follow the Bundesliga 50+1 rule..
@@MuhammadRidwan-yz6sb if Singapore clubs want to roll out some hybrid of the 50+1 rule, they will need to do very good sales pitch to convince potential investors/fans to invest the moneys into the club?
Why not maybe combine the Malaysian and Singaporean leagues? That way it'll improve both country's footballing standards and rekindling old rivalries that'll add extra interest to the footballing fans of both countries
its workable, but it will be hard to manage it...esp talking abt revenue and money things. as you know currency differences plays a huge role. other than that, im not lowering sg teams, but malaysian teams playing quite high intensity with the help of such a great import players. if sg team can handle these intense games esp playing team like Kedah, JDT and selangor that plays a great level of football, then its fine. Its a great idea if win-win situation came out of it. But tbh, it does only help on SG side, while for MY side, they only stay on their level hoping that they can either chase Jdt or they hope on the fall of JDT era.
As a Malaysian, combining or inviting foreign club to our domestic league is a BIG NO. We saw the negative impact happening in SPL by allowing foreign club's to participate. So why we need to repeat your mistake?
@@anakhamba yep true enough
I would not even contemplate it. Remember, Malaysia and Singapore are not like Britain.
Absolutely no. You think we will allow many small country clubs to join our league?😂 No, I don't see any benefits for Malaysia, to let that idea become true. I just saw the benefits are just go to Singapore only, if ur idea become true. If Singapore really want to join our league, we just allow 1 team only from Singapore to join our league. But, it will happen if Singapore give another agreement to make Malaysia get many benefits if Singapore join Malaysian league back.
For me, if Singapore wants to join Malaysia league, this is my order to Singapore if Singapore wanna join our league.
1) All Singapore sponsor need to sponsor all Malaysian club too.
2) Singapore will not get a same prize as Malaysian clubs will get if Singapore become a champion of Malaysian league. Singapore team will get much lower prize than Malaysian clubs will get.
3) Singapore need to allow all Malaysian clubs u-23 to join Singapore Premier League.
4) Every Singapore clubs in Singapore league need to take 3 Malaysian players u-19.
5) Singapore only will participate in Malaysia Super League senior. Singapore can't send their junior teams to join our junior league.
But, if Singapore agree about this agreement, I still do not sure...if my idea are enough to give benefits for Malaysia.🤔
Dpmm is not employing any sg players... but they are contributing financially to Spl... this money could be used to help youth development... the main problem is we need more local clubs
Yes! We should have a home and away to promote rivalries in each constituency. But it is still too early to have local spl matches stage at the sports hub. If we can't fill the big stadium, the atmosphere will not be so good. You will hear more frogs singing than from shouting from the fans. Remember, only good atmosphere will strive the players. Jalan besar will be the obvious choice for any finals.
Another big problem we have is the lack of football stars that are adored by the fans. Previously, we had of course Fandi and Sundram. But even players like Rafi Ali, Kadir Yahaya, Hasnim Haron and Steven Tan has solid fan bases that followed them at S-League club level. But how they did they get the fan base in the first place? It’s precisely because they play in the M-League and Malaysia cup.
You can argue that by playing in the M-League, the S-League clubs actually attracted more fans. I remember Jurong stadium is always full. Even Gombak United had a good following last time.
Another added advantage is that the local players are motivated to do well for their clubs, so that they can join the national team and play in the M-League.
Let’s be realistic. We have tried for 30 years to generate interest in the S League and failed terribly. The national team is getting worse by the year.
“Develop your national league and you get a better national team”. This statement is a truism which we have held on for 30 years. Anyone who keeps harping on this statement does not care about Singapore football.
As a Malaysian, I would say Asean Super League wont work, it would clash with domestic league schedule and AFC schedule. Beside that, what's the point for a club like JDT, Selangor, Terengganu to play lower standard club around Asean when they can play top Asian club's in ACL and AFC Cup? And now AFC has Conference League, so why need to bother with Asean Super League?
My thoughts exactly. AFC and Conference League should already be incentive enough? (not sure how many clubs can qualify). It's an interesting idea maybe in a knockoff format which is shorter..
i think Singapore should join MSL again because i am sure it will increase their players performance for playing at higher competitive game.. the only problem about Singapore football is their higher up management who're lazy doing their job..
1) There was a time when we were thinking of having football games at the floating platform. It would never have worked out (and will not work out for its replacement, the NS square) just because of the trouble (i.e. Cost). But can you imagine if it did? Good central venue; not too oversized capacity; potential footfall capture. If not for the league, then at least for national team matches.
2) Re: DPMM, I was there at the match against BK at JBS (BK fan here). There were definitely more than 7 fans. While I would rather have more local teams just like everyone else, I'd rather have DPMM than Young Lions. I'd rather have clubs (and more clubs) develop youth internally and youth leagues than having them "develop" in the main league. DPMM I can accept as a warm body to have more competitive games.
Agree on the floating platform as a alternative football stadium, rather then only use it for F1 or National Day parade
Is there a podcast?
i would love the asean super league because as malaysia i want to see my country to be better in football but the problem was is jdt are they want to be in asean super league that because we as fans is really boring it always jdt yeah jdt want that afc spot but other team "oh next game was jdt yeah just put the second team we can't win againt them anywhere" and then if we make asean super league yes it would better then the maaysian super league but where it go are they have the limit is there any spot for afc if we enter that league and do better in the league that what malaysian and thailand team and fans will be asking
1. Malaysian state teams don't want to come to Singapore due to high costs. 2. Gate receipts dispute cannot be solved.
Neil, I disagree with you on the comment of a combined team like Lions12 just taking fans away from the S-League teams.
A combined team playing in the M-League has all the potential of drawing back fans from all over Singapore and filling up the National Stadium.
Let’s stop the insanity of doing things the same mould and expecting different results. Joining the M-League is not about nostalgia and going back to to the past. It is about generating excitement in SG football and bringing in more fans.
It's a quick fix that will generate a lot of fanfare, and bring the fans in. But the talent pool then shrinks. You basically only need 25 (max) Singaporeans to form a squad to compete in the MSL.
What happens to other hopeful Singaporeans? Who will they play against? They will be playing against sub-standard footballers and will find their development very difficult.
What is far better is to have 3 or 4 well-financed clubs in the SPL. It's not happening yet, but it will happen. There are already signs. LCS is the obvious example, but Geylang now are exploring links with the City Group - let's see where that takes us.
FAM and MSL won't allow this, face it. They don't want another Lions12. Having another Lions12 will hurt our league and NT development even further
1) Send a SPL team in the Malaysian Super League is a step back
2) Stadiums in Singapore need a major upgrade
3) Agree with a SEA version of Champions
4) If local clubs is privately own is a major boost to the SPL
You think...we are stupid to give your small country to join our league again?😂 And then, you think ur idea to bring SPL clubs to join Malaysia Super League will happen?😂😂 No, it will not happen. As a Malaysian, I don't see any benefits we can get if Singapore clubs join our league. It's just give benefits to Singapore football only. We already saw...Singapore football grow so good, when they join our league, and Singapore football quality level become fall down so badly after out from Malaysian league. And we realize, Singapore in their prime football era, only when Singapore joins Malaysia league. So, when we saw our football right now in top level, and Singapore football in low level. Do you think we will allow Singapore clubs to join our league? Absolutely no. We will not allow Singapore to join. I don't see any benefits we can get from that. It's just benefits for Singapore football to grown up so fast.
@@pesmobilemalaysia8097i agree bro..
Haizam addressed the elephant in the room....'kelong'
SEA Games 2023 - Singapore (0) vs Malaysia (7). And Malaysia was unlucky not to have a few more goals before the final whistle blew. So, how much has Singapore football improved in the years out of the Malaysia Super League? As always, the results speaks for itself! Despite all the tinkering that FAS has done to improve Singapore football over 30 years, well, at 7-0, Singaporeans should ask for their money back from the FAS. I mean it is a joke for Singapore to lose 7-0 to Malaysia after 30 years of the Singapore league. What happened to all the improvement to Singapore football that was supposed to be?
Just ..do asean super league..2023..
2 best club ..go to asean super league
ASEAN Super League will work if you excluded teams that playing in champions League and afc cup. JDT/buriram etc playing in asean super league won't be beneficial for them.
We Malaysians have our own Malaysian League. It will add to the players' burden if an Asean Super League is ever introduced. And sustained injuries are possible. What happens to the national team then?
Singapore football @ RIP...
"theyre like tottenham" lol dpmm literally won your league before covid...TWICE and thats more than your beloved hougang united lmao CHAMPIONS OF *YOUR* LEAGUE YOU'LL NEVER SING THAT
Kick DPMM out of the SPL, promote the NFL div 1 champs to take their place
Ask ourself, who is the killer of the S league?! The late fas president, the late zainudin nordin!
Faris was from sailors omg not form HOUGANG JESUS WHAT A JOKE PODCAST