A big enough oversight to make the whole video kind of pointless imo when the 5800x3D is the only bang-for-the-buck upgrade that makes sense. The case for cutting corners with a cheaper 5000 series cpu is nonexistent for a person looking to spend going on $2000 for a gpu.
Thank you so much for this, I've been waiting a while for this comparison. I have a 5900x with a 4090 and play at 4k, looking at the charts I don't think I have to upgrade the CPU yet.
Lmao thank you for this. I can’t believe some dude at Canada computers told me my 5600x was too weak for 4090, he even doubled down and said that 3080 to 4090 would see 0 performance gain.
Too weak, no. A bottleneck, sure. It's worth noting though, that putting a 4090 in a 5600x rig is more than a bit ridiculous, and a 3080 is far more reasonable to put in such a system. 2000$ for the GPU, 200$ for the processor? Nah... the dude at the shop didn't use the right verbiage, but he was correct in his assertion that it's an undermatched CPU to that GPU. Really would be doing yourself a disservice using anything less than a 5800x3D or a 12700k.
@@Azzy_Mazzy It's 100% a real issue. I'm literally selling a whole brand new 5600x/3070 build that costs 750$ less than the 4090 alone. Don't encourage people to make poor choices with their money, putting a 4090 in a 5600x rig for anything beyond testing is silly, and economically poor choice making. Upgrade the processor first, and if you have any sense at all to go with the money, wait for AMD to release.
@@x8jason8x telling people to spend more money so they can spend more money is also silly. RTX 4090 is not a smart financial decision anyway, they also need a high end monitor too which in my opinion a better thing to spend money on than a high end CPU for gaming.
I went from a 3600 to a 5800 X 3-D (329 on ebay new) in destiny 2 at 4k. Noticed a huge gain. Was on a 3080. Some areas would drop to 60-70fps. Same with 4090. Then x3d it’s always a constant 120 capped. And 160-200 uncapped.. some areas dip to 130-160 but it’s rare… Go to a 5600x minimum. X3d if you can spare the change
This makes me feel pretty comfortable. I’m running a 6800+5600X but just recently upgraded to an G9 super ultrawide monitor. Given that it’s just below 4k, the 6800 isn’t bad but definitely could use replacing and I had my eye on the 4090. I was mildly worried about bottlenecking but based on this vid, I shouldn’t be
No you, even a 3600X can gain at 4K a lot from a 4090. 4K is such a hard resolution to run at and it shows exactly how nutty the 4090 is. Weirdly i think the $1600 for a 4090 is technically a decent deal price to performance wise, the issue is most people would never be able to afford it and every card under it scales horribly price to performance wise. Its the whole reason the 4090 is the only new card selling well. Technically the XTX till recently has always been out of stock but that card has so little supply its hard as hell to maintain an anemic demand even
Great information Glad I upgraded my 2600x to a 5800x - I should be ready for a 4080 or 7800xt if I decide I want to do high FPS 1440p or 4k gaming. I'd love to see the 5800x3d on the chart Its an interesting option for AM4 owners, but its not clear if it makes a huge difference to someone who already has a 5600x
It does make a huge difference in the caching. It's even an upgrade, gamer wise, over 800, 900, and 950 skus, where normally slotting a same gen is just a sidegrade (technically would be a downgrade over 900/950). I just built a 5800x3D/3070ti machine for a client, no cap, it's just not comparable to any other processor I've seen gaming wise. The v-cache 7000 series should be very interesting.
I was on a 1700x when I upgraded my gpu(rx590 -> 6800xt) I knew there would be a bottleneck but I didn’t think that it was as bad as it actually was. I eventually found a 5800x for the right price (used) the frame rates doubled.
Catch me rocking a Ryzen 5 1600x and an RX6600 at 1080p and still getting almost 100% utilisation on the graphics card :p That being said, this is super important information for consumers, thank you. It's really hard to know what you *need* to upgrade over what you want to, and balancing a system for your own use case is what is important. I'm finally thinking of upgrading to a 5600x as my golden 1600x at 4.1ghz all cores can suck down 125w, the same as my RX6600 and I am most interested in efficiency now over anything else
One major problem with this video. If you're on am AM4 motherboard a quick and cheaper solution is simply to get the 5800X3D and it will hold you over for a bit. It wins in some games and sits on equal terms in some. Yes, it does lose to the best of the newest Intel and AM5. But it's still producing frames that are far greater than any other 5000 series CPU. I decided to upgrade my 5600X, I went with 5800X3D and plan to upgrade that later on. 1-2 generations from current newest Intel and AMD. DDR5 prices would come down by then and hopefully prices in general. Or at the very least it would be a far more substantial increase in performance. I only need to reach 120fps because that is the limit of my 4K TV I use as Monitor.
AMEN ! 😎 2nd problem with this video were his graphs - I had to rewind back cause I realised, that in some weired cases, the CPU possitioned on the top of the chart ( highest FPS ) was not the 7600X but something else. More consistency would be fine - if 7600X sucks in some game - let it be on top, but with the shorter bar ! ( 4K tests I think... )
... and I would just add that even those "poor" 2600X users are pretty fine in this comparison. While yes, they could have better frame rate with more modern CPU, but still we are talking over 100 FPS in majority of cases in 1440p. So I think that is fine even without CPU upgrade and simply waiting for 7x00X3D... maybe. If not, the 5800X3D is the best bang for buck by large margin, if you already own a qualified main-board. I also do not agree with authors conclusion, that if you upgrade to 5x00 Ryzen you are future proof for next gen GPUs (meaning RTX50x0 and XT8x00) since we dont know if there will be no other requirement, like PCIe5...
Absolutely. I'm not recommending the 5600X necessarily. We just needed to narrow it down to a manageable test and the x600 series was perfect for it. regardless of the CPU you get, be it the X3D or 5600X, the upgrade over the 2000 or 3000 series would be immense.
Got 5600 after 2600 - and that's an ultimate budget upgrade for AM4 system: you're keeping your board (B450 in my case), memory and cooler - just switch the CPU. I planned this when I was buying 2600 - at that time 3600 was just released, and I knew I'd pass it for next 5000 series. With 7000 series you'll have to upgrade literally everything. Just don't forget to update the BIOS before.
@@vladmihai306 you have some twisted sense of "budget": 5800x3d is 3(!) times more expensive. 600 models were always optimal consumer CPUs, 800 and 900 - business CPUs.
@@tomekvilmovskiy6547 where the heck is 3 times? In my place it's 160 5600x and 333 5800x3d. And with x3d besides the cache you also get 8 cores which is something that you might want to have now for mainstream gaming.
@@vladmihai306 just 5600 - no point in "x", no difference in preformance. Checked on Ali - 140 and 360. Okay, not 3 times - just 2.5 times. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Checked tests 5800x3d vs 5600x - on most games you'll get +5% with top GPU, and literally nothing with medium GPU. Again, we're talking about "budget" - forget about top gpus. +10fps for +200$ is a joke.
They have synthetic benchmark sites for gpus and cpus.good place to see the results before building or buying a system.while they may not be 100% specific to your build it will give you an idea:Passmark,3dMark,Userbenchmark.the majority likely know this.just trying to help the newbies.
Thanks for the video. Really like these upgrade potential focused revisit videos. But that 80% "magical" limit just seems like something you decided, man? Care to elaborate? 'Cause something is limiting the GPU it is below 99% utilisation as far as I see it. It just isn't necessarily the CPU. Could be anything e.g. memory, game engine, CPU etc.
Thanks for the comparison. I recently upgraded my monitor to a 4K and already have a 5800X. I was curious about the performance of the new gpus at 4K versus the 7000/13000 series CPUs. I'll hold off upgrading my system at least until 7000X3D chips come out and components drop a little bit in price. But it looks like I can grab one of the new gpus without worrying about too much bottlenecking.
same boat, 5800x and 4090 on a 4k 144hz monitor. looking at those benchmarks makes it clear that it wouldnt be worth it to upgrade the whole system for thousands of dollars for AT MOST a 10% uplift.
Yeah, in ray traced games like CP2077, benchmarks show 5600x is hitting peak cpu load above 85% with a 3090. Considering the 3090 level performance is what new 70 class cards are going to hit, it's wise for Am4 users to at least target a 5700x as their new minimum for cpu upgrade.
Sure, i need a 4090 first 😅 Btw, thanks for all benchmarking and the comparisons. I am still sitting on 1700X ... lol ... I think with the BIOS update, my motherboard is able to support AMD's 5000 series CPUs. I happen to be thinking about whether it is worth to make a jump to a system with DDR5 memory or get a 5600X or 5800X3D. Oh and, maybe Valorant isn't a great for benchmarking.
God this really puts into perspective how badly my ryzen 1600 is choking back my 3070 Ti lol. I've known for a long time that my cpu needs a major upgrade but just had been holding off to see the new stuff
I really like this video. It is so interesting to see. Now I'm wondering how my i7 7700K would perform with an RTX4090 compared to an i7 12700K or 13700K. (I'm still rocking a GTX 1080 (non-TI).)
The big thing to note at 4k is 1 percent lows. The average may not improve a ton but the 1 percent lows in some cases increased a lot which will be a more consistent experience. I've also run into a couple new titles like Spider Man which have super high cpu load. No its not as critical. But it's also not nothing I'm also going 7000 series since i don't JUST game on the machine in question
This is the kind of content we need. So many benchmarks use systems that have a 13900k or 7950x. Which I get. But most people don't upgrade their CPUs every year. I'm sitting here with a 5900x and a 3080 trying to decide if upgrading to a 4090 is worth it. Changing platforms is stupid expensive.
Shop the sales , the 5600 non x was $130 new last week. I found two open box for $106 each. My 1080ti is in my sons pc paired with 5600x/b450/32gb. Don’t go lower then 5600/5600x. Avoid 5500/5600G or less.
Thanks for this insightful review and analysis. I'll be sticking with my 5600x/3070 for sometime and will wait for the prices on latest GPU to come down and grab one second hand in due time.
glad you done this video ive got a 5 3600x atm but recently got a 9 5900x for under 300 as an upgrade had it 2 months haven't switched cpu yet as im planning on grabbing a 4090 for a upgrade to my 2070super and a 1000w psu so want to do upgrades all at once also buying a 4k 165hz monitor to go along with my 165hz 1440p that 4090 should max all my screens lot of spending tho bloody 4090 outta stock when i look atm hoping when amd drops there's stocks rise im not too worried spending enough as is
I’m on a 4090 (1440p Ultrawide resolution) and I went from a 5800x to a 7700x and saw massive performance gains in games like cyberpunk 2077 and Spider-Man. Like 40FPS+ increase, cyberpunk is actually playable now lmao
This video has been very helpful! I just recently upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5700x from a Ryzen 5 2600. I haven't upgraded my GPU yet but alot of people were saying that anything over an RTX4060 at 1440p would be pointless as my cpu is too weak. I'd say thats nonsense after watching this video, thank you!
Since you're including the 7600x I think that including some of the Intel family for comparison (like the 13600k) would be a valid comparison since going to the 7600x requires new MB and memory. But the switch for my 2600 to a 5600x would seem like a no brainer except that its in my HT pc and doesn't need a rtx 4090 to do its job (it currently has a gtx 1080)
Good job. I wish you also tested all these CPUs with some mid tier GPU. No one sane would pair 4 year old $200 CPU with latest and greatest $2000 GPU irl
5800X3D is the best value option when you are CPU limited in games on AM4 right now and probably even more so as its price drops. For me I don‘t see the point of the vid as in my opinion it should show people their upgrade options…
All fun and games and all, but I'm in the exact opposite end of the spectrum where my 980ti is bottlenecking my 3700x, so a GPU upgrade is a MUST for me.
Interesting take overall however, I think the majority of people who have acquired the RTX 4090 are more likely to have the 900 & 950 SKUs rather than the 600. It would have been nice to have had the full range to compare and see how much they affect overall performance in real world situations. Plus the 5800X3D might have been a good idea to include as well. It will be interesting to see what the performance is like with the new Ryzen 7000 series 3D V-Cache lineup and what performance impact they have paired with an RTX 4090.
Because the last gernerations performance jumps in CPUs and GPU performance, because of competition, back in the 2500k days intel and to some extend nivida where the kings
The generational improvements we are going to see in the next few years (because of competition) will make even todays latest's and greatest feel slow in 3 years time. The 2500k or 4770k were relevant for so long because intel kept twiddling its thumbs for 7 years and the bean counters at intel did not make it any easier for the engineers during that time.
As a current Ryzen owner (I had intel and even cyrix cpus) I must admit Im not a fan of the video title. Then again the video was very informative and well done, thank you. Next I would love to see a "RTX 4090 xxxxx Old Intel CPUs - 9600K to 13600K Tested" (I think the i5 9600K is the closest one, time wise, to the R5 2600X, I wouldn't mind cough if you skip the 11th gen cough). Anyways thank you for the video!!!
Yeah, but the description said "That's what I wanted to find out by using the fastest GPU right now, the RTX 4090, to test CPU scaling on AMD Ryzen." He wanted to test it with the fastest GPU available now, which is RTX 4090.
Very helpful for someone running a 3900X at 4K. Was concerned when I heard reports of bottlenecking cpu's at 4K. Didn't want to upgrade the cpu because I still feel like my 3900X isn't "that old" and still handles all my heavily multi-threaded workloads just fine. My 2080TI on the other hand, shows the cracks in its armor at 4K. Seeing the R5's perf is a good enough indicator of what to expect, so thank you!
Your CPU actually becomes less relevant in most cases at higher resolutions! Generally speaking, your CPU has to push fewer calculations at higher resolutions because your GPU isn't going to be producing as many frames. 4K gamers have to spend more on their GPU's typically, and can often hold out longer on CPU upgrades.
Also have 3900x and upgraded from 2080Ti to 4090 for Rendering horsepower. Haven't had much time to game yet but in warzone at least it looks like 1440p cpu holds back the 4090.
@@Theoleander Totally understand that, and it was that same logic that made me think "ah it'll be fine, it's 4K!" But then I saw LTT and HUB reviews and they made mention that in some games, the 4090 is fast enough to cause a cpu bottleneck at 4K. Then, I got a little nervous lol.
@@raasukk4419 Very reassuring to hear! Thanks for that. It's a shame I'm even considering this card, truth be told. I don't render much on my GPU as it is. Most of my workflows are CPU-bound as it is (software dev, VM's, CRON-jobs, etc...), and I *might* be doing some local machine learning stuff in the future. Seems like a bit much of a card for a maybe, but the sheer numbers have me stoked enough to want one lol.
Fewer fps = less work for the cpu = less/none bottleneck thus by increasing the resolution of a game you reduce the load on the cpu. In a couple of years you could upgrade to a 5950x and still be fine on 4k with a 5xxx gpu.
This is missing 5800X3D and Zen 4 flagship so we can see the FULL progression. CPU and GPU usage would have been cool to see at those game engine limiting scenarios. Don't be afraid to give data no one else does. Don't wait for them. Good video still. Thanks.
I literally had a similar issue this year. Upgraded from my 1080TI SC Hydro to a 3080 12GB FTW3 Ultra Hydro in June when the prices went down. My 2600x was really struggling to keep up with the new GPU in most games, running a 3440x1440p UW display. When processors went on sale at Miro Center I upgraded to a 5900x. All of my issues went away even on my X370 MOBO that received the updated bios for the 5000s chips. Performance went way up as well.
Nice video. I have a Ryzen 9 5900X with an NVMe Corsair 990 using Windows 11's Direct Storage technology, I'm curious how much this technology can relieve the CPU with an RTX 4090
Hmm...interesting. I have a 3600 and was keen to know the relative uplift at 4k/120 I would get by changing CPU in combination with a 4090. It's really a game by game thing. COD, Total War, GoW, Hitman show not much difference. When there is a difference it matters not much as I am stuck to 120fps/hz. However, it's ray tracing that I see the benefits to an extent. Is it worth £200 for a 2fps gain in Cyberpunk though? I could just dump a 5600x in there for a helpful uplift and maybe some futureproofing.
If you ever upgrade your CPU from the 3600 then your only option is the 5800X3D otherwise your wasting your money and the 5800X3D prices will incrementally come down They neglected to add in the 5800X3D so perhaps they will do the video again for the 8 core Ryzen CPU’s
If you want to upgrade, skip 5600x & go for 5700x or 5800x3d if budget allows. 5600x is close to getting maxed out in ray traced games like cyberpunk, so not ideal if you want the cpu upgrade to last 3 to 4 years.
Cause if you're going to spend $1600 on a graphics card, you're going to skimp on the CPU. /s. Also talking about "bang for buck" when using a 4090. :rolleyes:
This video is still useful for finding where the CPU bottleneck breaking points are, as with such a lopsided system very few things are GPU bottle necked anymore.
@@MidWitPride But these breaking points are only valid for the RTX 4090 which is a ludicrous card to be matching with budget CPUs. It would be much more useful to do such a comparison with a more reasonable card like 4060 or 4070 (when they get released) that a person would reasonably purchase if they have a 6 core Ryzen CPU.
@@BubbaBearsFriend 4060 and 4070 will use the same cores and architecture as the 4090, so you can do pretty good estimations of their performance if you know how many cores they'll have, which we do. Some individual cards might be clocked slightly higher than some others, but you'll get a pretty close estimate.
Great video. That is exactly what I did. I already had a pretty solid AM4 platform. Seen what there was for new products coming out and decided to maximize my AM4 platform and ride it out until end-of-life usefulness. Picked up a 5950X as it was 40% off, otherwise I would've gone 5900X. My current GPU is still solid, so I will wait until new models coming out settles down. Hoping there is a better price to performance card coming out eventually or wait until next gen and get one of current gen at a better price, which is traditionally what I do.
5,000 series cpus are stil very relevant. There only 4 years old at this point and we just had the 5700X3D a few months ago. If anyone is still on ryzen 2,000 or 3,000 then yea its time to look at upgrading.
To be fair first and second gen ryzen cpu's were pretty bad in gaming since they couldnt beat old ancient skylake cpu's released several years prior to ryzen launch...
Thank you so much for this video. I was thinking about grapping an RTX 4080 and using it with my old i7 5820k, which is identical to the 2600x. But after this video I'm having a different opinion.
@@tilapiadave3234 Obviously prices have changed since I made the comment months ago, and in most games the 5800X3D provides a 10% to 20% uplift compared to the other Zen 3 parts.
Thanks I'm still gonna upgrade my 5600x to a 5950x cause I think I can make my am4 stuff last till am5 is cheaper and it become more bug free and maybe till am6 if I live that long lol who knows. but very informative helped me understand where in the spectrum I lay.
I just got myself a 5800X3D, coming from a 5600X (which I will probably put for sale soon). I still have a pretty beefy card for 1440p (RTX 3080 10GB) but maybe I'll upgrade this GPU next year, but first I want to know what the new AMD cards will be specs and pricing wise and I also want to see if the RTX 4080's will be overpriced like the 4090's are (at least in Europe!).
I dont know anything about computers, so please bare with me. If I wanted to add 4090 to my current build of 5800x cpu and micro itx mobo, would i run into any issues? Would I be able to run 4k gaming at at least 120fps?
The nice thing with people who are running the 5600X/Non-X they still have an upgrade path to the 5800X3D and the performance it brings still on par with the Ryzen 7000 in many games when it comes to future GPU performance. The big advantage is that its a drop-in CPU so no need to get a new Motherboard, no need for new RAM, or even you're cooler!
If you already own a compatible AM4 board with an older chip on it, and you only really game then the 5800x3D is the clear winner for an upgrade without needing to build an entirely new PC. Pull your old chip, drop in the 5800x3D and see the FPS climb to near 7600x performance levels. All without needing a B650 board and DDR5 ram to get there, just use your current board and DDR4.
My exact thoughts, on AM4 the 5800X3D is a complete no-brainer. It‘s beyond me why they bothered making a vid about previous gen Ryzen without this chip… facepalming much rn…
The video idea was really interesting, but lack of the 5800X3D was disappointing, as it is recogcanized as grate value for performance. And now, if someone it is "thinking" to buying a 4090, or any top of the line GPU, and it is also thinking on jumping onto the 7000 series, it surely will consider it, more so than a 5600, IMO at least.
Im stuck in the grey area of 3950x. In multiple thread its still close to 5950x. But in gaming its gap is much bigger.. i want 58x3d gaming perf but 5950x multi.
I have a new 4090 together with my 8700k and I play in 3840x1600 resolution. How much will my cpu bottleneck compared to a modern 13600-13900k? Thinking of upgrading my platform but want to wait for the new PSUs.
Could have added the 5800X3D since it's a slot-in upgrade for AM4, and it deals blows with the newest CPUs in some games.
yeah I really wish the 5800x3d was included in this
Especially a 5800x3d with 1080ti
I came here to see that too. Bummer 😞
Yup ... total missed opportunity to make this video a complete comparison.
A big enough oversight to make the whole video kind of pointless imo when the 5800x3D is the only bang-for-the-buck upgrade that makes sense. The case for cutting corners with a cheaper 5000 series cpu is nonexistent for a person looking to spend going on $2000 for a gpu.
This really needed the 5800X3D in the mix as it makes the most sense if you are thinking about jumping all the way to AM5
Agree - AM5 still needs time to mature. For now, the most bang per buck for gamers is to upgrade to the 5800X3D and think about AM5 in 3 or 4 years.
Can you guys Really add the 5800x3D in your benchmarks
its selling like hot cakes in EU atm, 350€ about, What a bargain for normal price that is 420-450€
gonna assemble my zen4 7600x rig on monday.
zen4 upcoming x3D chips simply gonna be guud
Hello when is the 7000 series 3d v cache CPU model gonna launch?
Thank you so much for this, I've been waiting a while for this comparison. I have a 5900x with a 4090 and play at 4k, looking at the charts I don't think I have to upgrade the CPU yet.
Same here.
Lmao thank you for this. I can’t believe some dude at Canada computers told me my 5600x was too weak for 4090, he even doubled down and said that 3080 to 4090 would see 0 performance gain.
LOL, u don't ask retail store employees for tech advice. They don't know shit.
Too weak, no. A bottleneck, sure. It's worth noting though, that putting a 4090 in a 5600x rig is more than a bit ridiculous, and a 3080 is far more reasonable to put in such a system. 2000$ for the GPU, 200$ for the processor? Nah... the dude at the shop didn't use the right verbiage, but he was correct in his assertion that it's an undermatched CPU to that GPU.
Really would be doing yourself a disservice using anything less than a 5800x3D or a 12700k.
@@x8jason8x if they play it 4K its not a real issue especially with RT enabled and they can always get 5800X3D down the line
@@Azzy_Mazzy It's 100% a real issue. I'm literally selling a whole brand new 5600x/3070 build that costs 750$ less than the 4090 alone. Don't encourage people to make poor choices with their money, putting a 4090 in a 5600x rig for anything beyond testing is silly, and economically poor choice making. Upgrade the processor first, and if you have any sense at all to go with the money, wait for AMD to release.
@@x8jason8x telling people to spend more money so they can spend more money is also silly. RTX 4090 is not a smart financial decision anyway, they also need a high end monitor too which in my opinion a better thing to spend money on than a high end CPU for gaming.
I went from a 3600 to a 5800 X 3-D (329 on ebay new) in destiny 2 at 4k. Noticed a huge gain. Was on a 3080. Some areas would drop to 60-70fps. Same with 4090. Then x3d it’s always a constant 120 capped. And 160-200 uncapped.. some areas dip to 130-160 but it’s rare…
Go to a 5600x minimum. X3d if you can spare the change
I would love to see a 2600x+1080ti vs 5800x3D/7600x+1080ti comparison
oh yes please! That comment about the GPU being able to stretch its legs... I am still curious about this scenario.
This makes me feel pretty comfortable. I’m running a 6800+5600X but just recently upgraded to an G9 super ultrawide monitor. Given that it’s just below 4k, the 6800 isn’t bad but definitely could use replacing and I had my eye on the 4090.
I was mildly worried about bottlenecking but based on this vid, I shouldn’t be
No you, even a 3600X can gain at 4K a lot from a 4090. 4K is such a hard resolution to run at and it shows exactly how nutty the 4090 is. Weirdly i think the $1600 for a 4090 is technically a decent deal price to performance wise, the issue is most people would never be able to afford it and every card under it scales horribly price to performance wise. Its the whole reason the 4090 is the only new card selling well. Technically the XTX till recently has always been out of stock but that card has so little supply its hard as hell to maintain an anemic demand even
Great information
Glad I upgraded my 2600x to a 5800x - I should be ready for a 4080 or 7800xt if I decide I want to do high FPS 1440p or 4k gaming.
I'd love to see the 5800x3d on the chart
Its an interesting option for AM4 owners, but its not clear if it makes a huge difference to someone who already has a 5600x
It does make a huge difference in the caching. It's even an upgrade, gamer wise, over 800, 900, and 950 skus, where normally slotting a same gen is just a sidegrade (technically would be a downgrade over 900/950). I just built a 5800x3D/3070ti machine for a client, no cap, it's just not comparable to any other processor I've seen gaming wise. The v-cache 7000 series should be very interesting.
they are exact the same CPUs just different labels 😂
@@davidjones5059 That's one of the dumbest things I've read on these comments.
My 2600x and 2060 are my lovable 1080p pair for living room gaming. They know their place. lol
I was on a 1700x when I upgraded my gpu(rx590 -> 6800xt) I knew there would be a bottleneck but I didn’t think that it was as bad as it actually was. I eventually found a 5800x for the right price (used) the frame rates doubled.
Catch me rocking a Ryzen 5 1600x and an RX6600 at 1080p and still getting almost 100% utilisation on the graphics card :p
That being said, this is super important information for consumers, thank you. It's really hard to know what you *need* to upgrade over what you want to, and balancing a system for your own use case is what is important.
I'm finally thinking of upgrading to a 5600x as my golden 1600x at 4.1ghz all cores can suck down 125w, the same as my RX6600 and I am most interested in efficiency now over anything else
One major problem with this video.
If you're on am AM4 motherboard a quick and cheaper solution is simply to get the 5800X3D and it will hold you over for a bit. It wins in some games and sits on equal terms in some. Yes, it does lose to the best of the newest Intel and AM5. But it's still producing frames that are far greater than any other 5000 series CPU.
I decided to upgrade my 5600X, I went with 5800X3D and plan to upgrade that later on. 1-2 generations from current newest Intel and AMD.
DDR5 prices would come down by then and hopefully prices in general. Or at the very least it would be a far more substantial increase in performance. I only need to reach 120fps because that is the limit of my 4K TV I use as Monitor.
AMEN ! 😎
2nd problem with this video were his graphs - I had to rewind back cause I realised, that in some weired cases, the CPU possitioned on the top of the chart ( highest FPS ) was not the 7600X but something else. More consistency would be fine - if 7600X sucks in some game - let it be on top, but with the shorter bar ! ( 4K tests I think... )
Totally agree, vid completely misses the point by excluding the 5800X3D.
Big fail on HC side…
... and I would just add that even those "poor" 2600X users are pretty fine in this comparison. While yes, they could have better frame rate with more modern CPU, but still we are talking over 100 FPS in majority of cases in 1440p. So I think that is fine even without CPU upgrade and simply waiting for 7x00X3D... maybe.
If not, the 5800X3D is the best bang for buck by large margin, if you already own a qualified main-board.
I also do not agree with authors conclusion, that if you upgrade to 5x00 Ryzen you are future proof for next gen GPUs (meaning RTX50x0 and XT8x00) since we dont know if there will be no other requirement, like PCIe5...
Absolutely. I'm not recommending the 5600X necessarily. We just needed to narrow it down to a manageable test and the x600 series was perfect for it. regardless of the CPU you get, be it the X3D or 5600X, the upgrade over the 2000 or 3000 series would be immense.
Nice video! Can you do one with Intel cpus? Especially with the 9900k please?
Literally came here to ask the same question!!! Please do Intel down to 9900K!! ❤
Got 5600 after 2600 - and that's an ultimate budget upgrade for AM4 system: you're keeping your board (B450 in my case), memory and cooler - just switch the CPU. I planned this when I was buying 2600 - at that time 3600 was just released, and I knew I'd pass it for next 5000 series.
With 7000 series you'll have to upgrade literally everything.
Just don't forget to update the BIOS before.
5800x3d is the ultimate budget upgrade for gaming on am4
@@vladmihai306 you have some twisted sense of "budget": 5800x3d is 3(!) times more expensive.
600 models were always optimal consumer CPUs, 800 and 900 - business CPUs.
@@tomekvilmovskiy6547 where the heck is 3 times? In my place it's 160 5600x and 333 5800x3d. And with x3d besides the cache you also get 8 cores which is something that you might want to have now for mainstream gaming.
@@vladmihai306 just 5600 - no point in "x", no difference in preformance. Checked on Ali - 140 and 360. Okay, not 3 times - just 2.5 times. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Checked tests 5800x3d vs 5600x - on most games you'll get +5% with top GPU, and literally nothing with medium GPU.
Again, we're talking about "budget" - forget about top gpus.
+10fps for +200$ is a joke.
@@vladmihai306 anyway, -investing- burying 300+ in dead end system is not wise decision.
They have synthetic benchmark sites for gpus and cpus.good place to see the results before building or buying a system.while they may not be 100% specific to your build it will give you an idea:Passmark,3dMark,Userbenchmark.the majority likely know this.just trying to help the newbies.
Thanks for the video. Really like these upgrade potential focused revisit videos.
But that 80% "magical" limit just seems like something you decided, man?
Care to elaborate?
'Cause something is limiting the GPU it is below 99% utilisation as far as I see it. It just isn't necessarily the CPU. Could be anything e.g. memory, game engine, CPU etc.
Thanks for the comparison. I recently upgraded my monitor to a 4K and already have a 5800X. I was curious about the performance of the new gpus at 4K versus the 7000/13000 series CPUs. I'll hold off upgrading my system at least until 7000X3D chips come out and components drop a little bit in price. But it looks like I can grab one of the new gpus without worrying about too much bottlenecking.
same boat, 5800x and 4090 on a 4k 144hz monitor. looking at those benchmarks makes it clear that it wouldnt be worth it to upgrade the whole system for thousands of dollars for AT MOST a 10% uplift.
Here for the 1440p section, would have been better to put the 1080Ti on the other CPU’s as well to see an isolated view of switching the GPU alone.
1080 Ti and a Ryzen 9 7950X... Sounds like a very interesting combination for me. And why not add in a 13900K to the mix?
This video has information presentation in such insanely good format this video should be one of the most watched ones. Very good work!
9:24 ray-tracing not only affects GPU performance, it also impacts CPU quite a bit. Many people don't know this.
Yeah, in ray traced games like CP2077, benchmarks show 5600x is hitting peak cpu load above 85% with a 3090.
Considering the 3090 level performance is what new 70 class cards are going to hit, it's wise for Am4 users to at least target a 5700x as their new minimum for cpu upgrade.
Sure, i need a 4090 first 😅
Btw, thanks for all benchmarking and the comparisons.
I am still sitting on 1700X ... lol ... I think with the BIOS update, my motherboard is able to support AMD's 5000 series CPUs. I happen to be thinking about whether it is worth to make a jump to a system with DDR5 memory or get a 5600X or 5800X3D.
Oh and, maybe Valorant isn't a great for benchmarking.
God this really puts into perspective how badly my ryzen 1600 is choking back my 3070 Ti lol. I've known for a long time that my cpu needs a major upgrade but just had been holding off to see the new stuff
and I thought I was stingy on the cpu upgrade. still holding onto my 2600x :D
My 3600 still holds strong!
You should really flip that and get at least a 5600g if its priced well in your area ($120 here).
I'd get a 5800X3D. It won't suffer from the slower RAM speeds you're likely running.
I really like this video. It is so interesting to see. Now I'm wondering how my i7 7700K would perform with an RTX4090 compared to an i7 12700K or 13700K. (I'm still rocking a GTX 1080 (non-TI).)
Same except I'm on an 8700k at 5.2
The big thing to note at 4k is 1 percent lows. The average may not improve a ton but the 1 percent lows in some cases increased a lot which will be a more consistent experience. I've also run into a couple new titles like Spider Man which have super high cpu load. No its not as critical. But it's also not nothing
I'm also going 7000 series since i don't JUST game on the machine in question
Amazing video, on the spot
this video is really awsome. I was looking for something like this. Could you test the 4090 with different generations of intel cpus too?
I recommend the 5800X3D if you're not going to upgrade to the 7000 CPUs my youngling gets higher frames than me in 4-8K.
3:34 instead of saying “twiddling it’s thumbs”
Should have said equally “twiddling it’s digits”
Doing this with older intel generation CPU’s would be awesome!
apparently my 6700k is too old to be included in any comparisons now....
This is the kind of content we need. So many benchmarks use systems that have a 13900k or 7950x. Which I get. But most people don't upgrade their CPUs every year. I'm sitting here with a 5900x and a 3080 trying to decide if upgrading to a 4090 is worth it. Changing platforms is stupid expensive.
Sitting on a 2700X and 1080Ti this was exactly the information I needed. Thanks!
To be fair, the vid lacks the 5800X3D which would be a simple drop-in upgrade for your system. Therefore the vid is completely useless for you…
Shop the sales , the 5600 non x was $130 new last week. I found two open box for $106 each. My 1080ti is in my sons pc paired with 5600x/b450/32gb. Don’t go lower then 5600/5600x. Avoid 5500/5600G or less.
@@niikon I'm aiming for the 5800X3D. To me it wasn't useless, and I'm probably more qualified on judging the usefulness for me than you are.
Thanks for this insightful review and analysis. I'll be sticking with my 5600x/3070 for sometime and will wait for the prices on latest GPU to come down and grab one second hand in due time.
Great video, just wish 5800x3d was included in these charts
glad you done this video ive got a 5 3600x atm but recently got a 9 5900x for under 300 as an upgrade had it 2 months haven't switched cpu yet as im planning on grabbing a 4090 for a upgrade to my 2070super and a 1000w psu so want to do upgrades all at once also buying a 4k 165hz monitor to go along with my 165hz 1440p that 4090 should max all my screens lot of spending tho bloody 4090 outta stock when i look atm hoping when amd drops there's stocks rise im not too worried spending enough as is
I’m on a 4090 (1440p Ultrawide resolution) and I went from a 5800x to a 7700x and saw massive performance gains in games like cyberpunk 2077 and Spider-Man. Like 40FPS+ increase, cyberpunk is actually playable now lmao
This video has been very helpful! I just recently upgraded to a Ryzen 7 5700x from a Ryzen 5 2600. I haven't upgraded my GPU yet but alot of people were saying that anything over an RTX4060 at 1440p would be pointless as my cpu is too weak. I'd say thats nonsense after watching this video, thank you!
Since you're including the 7600x I think that including some of the Intel family for comparison (like the 13600k) would be a valid comparison since going to the 7600x requires new MB and memory. But the switch for my 2600 to a 5600x would seem like a no brainer except that its in my HT pc and doesn't need a rtx 4090 to do its job (it currently has a gtx 1080)
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Good job. I wish you also tested all these CPUs with some mid tier GPU. No one sane would pair 4 year old $200 CPU with latest and greatest $2000 GPU irl
Unfortunately, people commenting on this very video actually seem to be planning on doing exactly that. Sanity be damned.
Thank you. Your video actually answered all my concerns about upgrading my ryzen 5 3600. Awesome job!
I'm disappointed you didn't include the 5800x3D in the graphs, which should be the best price for performance upgrade for a 2600x owner.
5800X3D is the best value option when you are CPU limited in games on AM4 right now and probably even more so as its price drops.
For me I don‘t see the point of the vid as in my opinion it should show people their upgrade options…
All fun and games and all, but I'm in the exact opposite end of the spectrum where my 980ti is bottlenecking my 3700x, so a GPU upgrade is a MUST for me.
Echoing others here. If you want a budget upgrade that will last a while, the 5800x3D is the one you want.
This. Video misses the point as it doesn‘t show people how to save a buck when already on AM4.
Interesting take overall however, I think the majority of people who have acquired the RTX 4090 are more likely to have the 900 & 950 SKUs rather than the 600.
It would have been nice to have had the full range to compare and see how much they affect overall performance in real world situations. Plus the 5800X3D might have been a good idea to include as well.
It will be interesting to see what the performance is like with the new Ryzen 7000 series 3D V-Cache lineup and what performance impact they have paired with an RTX 4090.
I remember when the 3600 dropped plenty were calling it the new 2500k. Doesn't look like it'll have anywhere near that longevity.
Because the last gernerations performance jumps in CPUs and GPU performance, because of competition, back in the 2500k days intel and to some extend nivida where the kings
The generational improvements we are going to see in the next few years (because of competition) will make even todays latest's and greatest feel slow in 3 years time. The 2500k or 4770k were relevant for so long because intel kept twiddling its thumbs for 7 years and the bean counters at intel did not make it any easier for the engineers during that time.
As a current Ryzen owner (I had intel and even cyrix cpus) I must admit Im not a fan of the video title. Then again the video was very informative and well done, thank you.
Next I would love to see a "RTX 4090 xxxxx Old Intel CPUs - 9600K to 13600K Tested" (I think the i5 9600K is the closest one, time wise, to the R5 2600X, I wouldn't mind cough if you skip the 11th gen cough).
Anyways thank you for the video!!!
Amazing video. I had some thoughts of updating my 5600X, but after this video I'm now certain that for 1440p I should invest in GPU :)
If you wanted to maximize "bang for buck" wouldn't you also pair it with a Radeon to take advantage of the infinity cache?
Yeah, but the description said "That's what I wanted to find out by using the fastest GPU right now, the RTX 4090, to test CPU scaling on AMD Ryzen."
He wanted to test it with the fastest GPU available now, which is RTX 4090.
it's not that dramatic of a change.
@@knightnxk2906 Generally, no. But if you want to push 4k through the card every fps counts.
That's a really great set of benchmark numbers and excellent advice!
Very helpful for someone running a 3900X at 4K. Was concerned when I heard reports of bottlenecking cpu's at 4K. Didn't want to upgrade the cpu because I still feel like my 3900X isn't "that old" and still handles all my heavily multi-threaded workloads just fine. My 2080TI on the other hand, shows the cracks in its armor at 4K. Seeing the R5's perf is a good enough indicator of what to expect, so thank you!
Your CPU actually becomes less relevant in most cases at higher resolutions! Generally speaking, your CPU has to push fewer calculations at higher resolutions because your GPU isn't going to be producing as many frames. 4K gamers have to spend more on their GPU's typically, and can often hold out longer on CPU upgrades.
Also have 3900x and upgraded from 2080Ti to 4090 for Rendering horsepower. Haven't had much time to game yet but in warzone at least it looks like 1440p cpu holds back the 4090.
@@Theoleander Totally understand that, and it was that same logic that made me think "ah it'll be fine, it's 4K!"
But then I saw LTT and HUB reviews and they made mention that in some games, the 4090 is fast enough to cause a cpu bottleneck at 4K. Then, I got a little nervous lol.
@@raasukk4419 Very reassuring to hear! Thanks for that. It's a shame I'm even considering this card, truth be told. I don't render much on my GPU as it is. Most of my workflows are CPU-bound as it is (software dev, VM's, CRON-jobs, etc...), and I *might* be doing some local machine learning stuff in the future. Seems like a bit much of a card for a maybe, but the sheer numbers have me stoked enough to want one lol.
Fewer fps = less work for the cpu = less/none bottleneck thus by increasing the resolution of a game you reduce the load on the cpu. In a couple of years you could upgrade to a 5950x and still be fine on 4k with a 5xxx gpu.
This is missing 5800X3D and Zen 4 flagship so we can see the FULL progression.
CPU and GPU usage would have been cool to see at those game engine limiting scenarios. Don't be afraid to give data no one else does. Don't wait for them.
Good video still. Thanks.
I literally had a similar issue this year. Upgraded from my 1080TI SC Hydro to a 3080 12GB FTW3 Ultra Hydro in June when the prices went down. My 2600x was really struggling to keep up with the new GPU in most games, running a 3440x1440p UW display. When processors went on sale at Miro Center I upgraded to a 5900x. All of my issues went away even on my X370 MOBO that received the updated bios for the 5000s chips. Performance went way up as well.
no core increase between 1600x and 7600x, all 6c/12t. on the other hand intel went from 4c/4t to 6p+8e/20t.
Excellent video, made me think about replacing my 3700x by a 5700x
did just that and paid 180 new for it
If you're going to bother upgrading AM4 for gaming at this point, 5800X3D makes the most sense.
Nice video. I have a Ryzen 9 5900X with an NVMe Corsair 990 using Windows 11's Direct Storage technology, I'm curious how much this technology can relieve the CPU with an RTX 4090
And what about having a 20-series NVIDIA GPU card. Is it useful to just upgrade the CPU?
Hmm...interesting. I have a 3600 and was keen to know the relative uplift at 4k/120 I would get by changing CPU in combination with a 4090. It's really a game by game thing. COD, Total War, GoW, Hitman show not much difference. When there is a difference it matters not much as I am stuck to 120fps/hz. However, it's ray tracing that I see the benefits to an extent. Is it worth £200 for a 2fps gain in Cyberpunk though? I could just dump a 5600x in there for a helpful uplift and maybe some futureproofing.
If you ever upgrade your CPU from the 3600 then your only option is the 5800X3D otherwise your wasting your money and the 5800X3D prices will incrementally come down
They neglected to add in the 5800X3D so perhaps they will do the video again for the 8 core Ryzen CPU’s
If you want to upgrade, skip 5600x & go for 5700x or 5800x3d if budget allows.
5600x is close to getting maxed out in ray traced games like cyberpunk, so not ideal if you want the cpu upgrade to last 3 to 4 years.
@@vishruthbosek6262 yea I have come to that conclusion. Can afford it so don't see why not.
@@commanderoof4578 Looks like the 5800x3d has come down in price in the UK. From £430 to £360. Now do I pair with my u12s?
@@MrWonderstuff whats a u12?
Cause if you're going to spend $1600 on a graphics card, you're going to skimp on the CPU. /s. Also talking about "bang for buck" when using a 4090. :rolleyes:
Cringe
This video is still useful for finding where the CPU bottleneck breaking points are, as with such a lopsided system very few things are GPU bottle necked anymore.
@@MidWitPride But these breaking points are only valid for the RTX 4090 which is a ludicrous card to be matching with budget CPUs. It would be much more useful to do such a comparison with a more reasonable card like 4060 or 4070 (when they get released) that a person would reasonably purchase if they have a 6 core Ryzen CPU.
@@BubbaBearsFriend 4060 and 4070 will use the same cores and architecture as the 4090, so you can do pretty good estimations of their performance if you know how many cores they'll have, which we do.
Some individual cards might be clocked slightly higher than some others, but you'll get a pretty close estimate.
Great video. Intel perspective?
Super video thanks man! I have a ryzen 2600 and I'm actually thinking about these stuffs
Glad I could help!
a quantum leap is a very tiny change...
Just upgraded form a Ryzen 7 2700x to a Ryzen 9 5900x. Wasn't ready to upgrade mobo plus ram etc. Huge upgrade.
Amazing video guys 👏
That helps a lot
THANKS A LOT 👍👍👍
just seen new 5800X3D on ebay for 330usd, crazy..
I would like the same comparisong between 9700k, 10700k, 11700k, 12700k and 13700k
This is me 6 months ago. that 2600 held on as long as it could. got a 5600X. no regrets. will hold it for 2 generations.
Great video. That is exactly what I did. I already had a pretty solid AM4 platform. Seen what there was for new products coming out and decided to maximize my AM4 platform and ride it out until end-of-life usefulness. Picked up a 5950X as it was 40% off, otherwise I would've gone 5900X. My current GPU is still solid, so I will wait until new models coming out settles down. Hoping there is a better price to performance card coming out eventually or wait until next gen and get one of current gen at a better price, which is traditionally what I do.
Can you test the 5800X3D vs. the 12900K? I wish TPU had tested with that CPU.
5,000 series cpus are stil very relevant. There only 4 years old at this point and we just had the 5700X3D a few months ago. If anyone is still on ryzen 2,000 or 3,000 then yea its time to look at upgrading.
Glad I copped a 5800x3d last night. I plan on getting an RTX 4080
To be fair first and second gen ryzen cpu's were pretty bad in gaming since they couldnt beat old ancient skylake cpu's released several years prior to ryzen launch...
Thank you so much for this video. I was thinking about grapping an RTX 4080 and using it with my old i7 5820k, which is identical to the 2600x. But after this video I'm having a different opinion.
I wonder if upgrading from a 5600x to something better makes any real difference when playing on a 60Hz monitor?
can we do the same, but with a 3060?
I have a 5700x and about to get a 7900xtx when it's available. Just looking for a solid 1440p for a few years before i upgrade the cpu.
Nice video, but I really wish you had added the 5800X3D, since that CPU provides major advantages in many games.
In VERY few games ,, and WAY over-priced
@@tilapiadave3234 Obviously prices have changed since I made the comment months ago, and in most games the 5800X3D provides a 10% to 20% uplift compared to the other Zen 3 parts.
Valorant is not very well threaded. It is hard to max the cpu and gpu.
Thanks I'm still gonna upgrade my 5600x to a 5950x cause I think I can make my am4 stuff last till am5 is cheaper and it become more bug free and maybe till am6 if I live that long lol who knows. but very informative helped me understand where in the spectrum I lay.
I just got myself a 5800X3D, coming from a 5600X (which I will probably put for sale soon). I still have a pretty beefy card for 1440p (RTX 3080 10GB) but maybe I'll upgrade this GPU next year, but first I want to know what the new AMD cards will be specs and pricing wise and I also want to see if the RTX 4080's will be overpriced like the 4090's are (at least in Europe!).
Did you see any fps improvement ?
I dont know anything about computers, so please bare with me. If I wanted to add 4090 to my current build of 5800x cpu and micro itx mobo, would i run into any issues? Would I be able to run 4k gaming at at least 120fps?
The nice thing with people who are running the 5600X/Non-X they still have an upgrade path to the 5800X3D and the performance it brings still on par with the Ryzen 7000 in many games when it comes to future GPU performance. The big advantage is that its a drop-in CPU so no need to get a new Motherboard, no need for new RAM, or even you're cooler!
Excellent concept video
So if you have a 4k 60fps monitor, you are still okay with a 2600x and one of the new GPUs? Assuming you aren’t buying a new 4k 120 / 240 monitor.
If you already own a compatible AM4 board with an older chip on it, and you only really game then the 5800x3D is the clear winner for an upgrade without needing to build an entirely new PC. Pull your old chip, drop in the 5800x3D and see the FPS climb to near 7600x performance levels. All without needing a B650 board and DDR5 ram to get there, just use your current board and DDR4.
My exact thoughts, on AM4 the 5800X3D is a complete no-brainer.
It‘s beyond me why they bothered making a vid about previous gen Ryzen without this chip… facepalming much rn…
The video idea was really interesting, but lack of the 5800X3D was disappointing, as it is recogcanized as grate value for performance.
And now, if someone it is "thinking" to buying a 4090, or any top of the line GPU, and it is also thinking on jumping onto the 7000 series, it surely will consider it, more so than a 5600, IMO at least.
make one for 3900x as well, if there is bottleneck or not
Should have added one intel in there for reference or do Intel only compare next.
Are you able to do an Intel version of this test?
I have a 2700X with a 3070ti, and I have no issues on this system. I can still get ~144hz on my 1400P monitor.
This is great content. Thank you very much. I will be going for the 7700x, but I am coming from a 7700k with 3080 and I'm hoping for some big gains.
You buy a RTX4800 and use the saved money to buy a 5800x3d, put it on your old mb and upgrade the mainboard and ram in a couple years.
Great video 👌 Idea 😊
Nice job. Would love to see Ryzen 7 from 2700 to 7700x (ft. 5800x3d)
Need a 7900 xt or xtx in the mix in these benchmarks to control for nvidia driver overhead
Im stuck in the grey area of 3950x. In multiple thread its still close to 5950x. But in gaming its gap is much bigger.. i want 58x3d gaming perf but 5950x multi.
Great video but I would like to see some i5s like the 12400 here.
My R1700 + Rx580 are begging to be laid to rest. My XSX is basically my main rig at this point. I'm going to have to jump to AM5 and RDNA3.
I have a new 4090 together with my 8700k and I play in 3840x1600 resolution. How much will my cpu bottleneck compared to a modern 13600-13900k? Thinking of upgrading my platform but want to wait for the new PSUs.
Very good video.. thanks
Probably just didn’t have multithreaded rendering enabled in Valorant’s graphics settings.
Oh hell, this is the exact video I was looking for and it posted a half hour ago lol