Integrated Engineering 2.5L 5 cylinder all motor 9400RPM pull
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- This is a little one of project we have been working on for a while... It's off the beaten path, and a bit of fun because frankly all motor power is hard. It's a VW 07K 2.5L 5 cylinder which we decided to build up for pump fuel all motor power. It has custom IE billet rods we made in house (410 grams with bolts- a turbo rod is usually more like 550-600), 11.5:1 CR JE's, IE intake manifold, IE tune, IE camshafts, IE springs & retainers, IE assembled CNC ported head, IE custom header, & 80mm throttle body.
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Just came here to see what a high revving 5 cylinder sounded like, and holy shit it sounds so awesome!
Like a video game lol
@@HanginInSF NSFW viper lol
6 years ago. Wow. Still love this
At 8000 RPM an uncontrollable grin spread over my face
All motor builds are so much cooler. While you have to shift at 6500 I'm still going strong at 8000 with room to go!
It’s is far more impressive than a forced induction build
I mean it's nice experience wise but while you are waiting to shift at 8k, I'm already a bus away cause I just have that much more power
I shift and have boost at 9100.
My boosted build revs to 9.5k and makes power all the way, I’m currently building my head even further to allow me to rev even higher as there’s a shit tonne left on the table!
Would love to have a road-spec version of this engine in my Jetta SE
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@@multimediaman374 thats with a turbo motor. This video is n/a motor
if you read description you find out it is actually a road usable engine using pump gas.
This thing is very streetable seems to me like. Only 11.5:1
1460hp ?
I want this in my autocross rabbit. This video is such a tease for something not available to the public. Damn you IE. Even 8k and higher compression would be awesome. Help us N/A fans out!!
It’s really impressive how it hit peak power at about 7000 rpm and stayed there all the way to the limiter!
Still in love with the engine build. If IE would sell me one of these crate motors I’d sell my soul to buy one lol. Needs nitrous, and a Mk1 VW chassis!
Wow, that horsepower does not let up! It just keeps going up! Impressive!!!
I love 5 zylinders 😍😍😍
Impressive numbers for an all-motor build. That manifold and valve cover is super nice looking
Terrible figures for an all-motor build... K24s are making 700hp with 8 second passes on all-motor. The figures IE has are miserable.
@@nycyabber7103no they’re not 😂
@@nycyabber7103 700hp NA K20 is non existent wtf are you on about 😂 unless you using nitrous and jet fuel concoction and the government are looking for you
@@wrth lol I'm being sarcastic obviously. that's my b though because reading it back it's hard to convey tone over text lol
I love that you guys had did this to the 07k. I have had my 07 Rabbit for 16 years. I always wished I could have gotten the funds to do this to my MKV. All i got to do was full bolt-ons and a tune. My goal was to have the fastest NA Rabbit. Sadly times are hard and the car is getting old and slower as it ages. Maybe one day. But I know you guys probably don't offer too much today for this platform. Hence why I will always come back to this video just to hear the pure sound that my car may have had.
with this engine could be done a great miracle he could handle and dose more forces
I wish there was more parts made for all motor 😕
omg sounds amazing!
This is mad. I love it!
@IEtuned I love this build so much. That redline is astounding and I definitely need to have this swapped into my 944. Once I have the funds I would love to work with you to replicate this build.
this is everything I want in life.
This is freaking nuts!
Where the boost when you need it . Well done 👍
with all this just imagine a small turbo set up. might help with the torque from falling off. I would love to own this!
+bkretschmann90 Agreed, small turbo + AWD chassis would be stellar!
+Integrated Engineering LLC. Is there even an option to upgrade the stock transmissions to handle the upgraded 2.5 power?
Bkretschmann90. There is ways to put the power down. The number 1 failure of the stock 5 speed manual is the stock differential. It has rivets that sheer off and destroy stuff lol. (happened to me with just bolt ons) for this kind of power of turbo set up, you can get an aftermarket LSD from Peloquin, Wavetrac and Quaife, upgrade the clutch to stage 2 or stage 3 with a single mass flywheel. Upgrade the axles with Raxles. Hell you could have the gearbox internals cryogenically treated which actually is not that expensive. But probably the cheapest thing to do in the long run would be to swap over to a 6-speed manual 02Q from a mkv GTI or GLI or 2.0 Turbo Beetle, or a 6 speed manual 02M from a VR6 Corrado or 20th anniversary mk4 GLI.
Matt Joyner do those transmissions mate up with no issues or are there adapters you need in order to do that?
BRIKKgoesHAM They mate right up (for the most part) what you need to actually modify is the top of the bell housing of the 6 speeds. just trim about 1/8" of metal off the top so it clears the 2.5L's timing cover. from there you will need to use the starter, clutch/flywheel, axles, trans mount, slave cylinder line, and just the shift knob (so it says 6 speed lol)
I still come back to this video and dream
I'm confused. I wanna build a 2.5L engine. Trying to get all the parts together. But over half the parts you have listed in the video isn't on your site.
1 year later and no response :(
Would love to have this installed in my golf sportwagen
Amazing
Magnífico 🎉
I have two questions. If I were to buy a brand new 5 speed manual Jetta (I live in Mexico, we still get the 2.5 instead of the 1.8T) would your power kit work with it? Second, how do you put power to the ground? Any LSDs available for the 2.5s that you know of? Haven't found anything on my own.
Thanks!
There are LSDs available. most likely you have the 0A4 manual trans. you can find LSDs from companies like Peloquin, Wavetrac and Quaife
This is absolutely awesome! I heard a while back you guys were working on cams for the 2.5l to put on the market, are you guys still working on that!? or did things get complicated?
+itoucheverythingbutu It's not really overly complicated, just really expensive. That engine is probably worth twice as much as most of the cars that were built with it.
+Integrated Engineering LLC. Oh okay, that makes plenty of sense. its really cool seeing what you guys did to this thing. Just out of curiosity, is it possible to even get a set of cams from you guys for the stock head?
I know you guys wanted to see what this engine could do N/A but honestly why not focus on stage 1,2 and 3 turbo setups for this engine? you already have the software, people are out there like me wanting an entire setup and are willing to pay the money you guys just need to make us some cams and internals PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE reply. ive got a new stock 2.5 manual mk6 i might consider shipping to you guys for video/views purposes to get your name out there and would be happy to run a test kit on my car, lets get you guys out there and show the world what you can turn these cars into!
+Integrated Engineering LLC.
Me likey! I'd be willing to do a long term road test in my rabbit.
I want this in my Jetta
I the intake Plenum is preventing it from processing the air efficiently. I think a 90mm throttle body and a surge plenum would help out.
Do these 2.5 have variable cam timing? like Honda? are they port or direct injected?
Doing some searching for swaps led me to here.
Any of your customers use the 2.5 in a dune buggy/ sand rail? Seams logical plus they sound amazing. Just trying to get a basis to start from
amazing
wish it gave it more torque, but the horsepower boost is impressive.
Man I would want nothing more than for my mk2 gti to have that engine. I do plan on putting a o7k in it regardless.
@integratedengineering what throttle body did you guys end up fitting this with for the larger upgrade?
This power would have been nice from factory for 2.5l owners, good job. How much is a build like this? VW has always seemed to have bad habit as of late of keeping power figures relatley low from factory.
Almost all the parts used are for sale on their site. Tuning the engine is an unknown value.
280hp in an engine like that, man I wish I could pull that off
It is actualy week... For a 5cyl... It has way more to explore then 280hp
@@mcanzy how much more?
@@CommanderBurnz look at th intake, is small, in the video itself the dyno line looks bad at high rpm. It can make around 80hp more with the right trhottle body and air intake or itb. Getting a better fuel rail, injectors, compreesion, etc.
Im saying 80hp more, but it can go better then that. Add nitro or methanol. Goes away with 400hp.
@@mcanzy Noted, thank you. Thats the amount of horsepower i want to get away with in my jetta.
@Lou Skinwalker how'd you come to the conclusion that the top end of the engine is the weak point?
Edit: when I say top end I meant, cams, valves, rockers, etc
Are there any videos of this engine being used on track or in a road car?
This is what I imagine an Inline 5 F1 would sound like.
Yeah did you hear how high pitch the note was at the end 😫
Can't will till the day comes where I can fully build my golf 2.5. Anyone know how reliable this setup is like for daily driving ?
AT Hypebeastbenn if you dont floor the shit out of it all the time I doubt its less reliable then a stock one
Would love to see the entire Dynamometer Graph for this. Is there a way it can be E-Mailed to me ?
Imagine this setup but with ITBs 🥴
I know its 80 mm throttle body but what throttle body did they use. I would like to see if I could put one on my 2.5
i gotta have it
Where did you get the throttle body and do you make one for a inline 5 Jetta 2012 ?
i wanna see one of these blow up bruh i have a 2.5 that i’ve been abusing the shit out of daily and it works just fine
wish i can put this in my 2020 gli autobahn :( miss the 2.5 motor from vw
Are all these parts available for purchase on your website?
what is your headers? cause i would like to know this and if its custom can you make it into production?
Does anyone know if someone has procharged this engine? What an insane promo and marketing motor would that be? A screaming 5cyl that actually makes some power but sounds n/a. Less lag, maybe a few more revs than a turbo. As soon as someone does that I think we're gonna find out how many ppl would actually want it. Ppl are spending that dough on rs3 work, they would pay for a forced induction replacement kit.
It sounds like a baby lamborghini. ❤❤❤
I Freaking need this engine!!!! Would this engine benefit from independent throttle bodies?
Too expesive, been done and will not run properly without a plenum. With ITB's you can run a larger plenum and like a 4" intake tube it would maybe make another 40-50hp if that over what IE is currently making. But at what cost, another $6k...
Still on stock hydro lifter and rockers?
just wow
+Nicolas Gauthier Yeah, this thing is pretty mean! We really built this to test our camshafts and valvesprings (which obviously work well). It was pretty scary revving it out to 9500+ RPM though.
Integrated Engineering LLC. These are the same springs/retainers as the ones you offer for the 2.0 tfsi?Is it on solid lifters?
took me 7 years to realize there were no belts or accessories connected. haha. those pulleys would disintegrate. Whatever became of this motor? Racing application?
Why is it so difficult to make power from this platform N/A? You guys have proven that this engine will stay together- stick a fat turbo on it and make it pop one time.
After the years have pasted are any of these parts available now
@IntergratedEngineering where can on buy a 80mm Throttle body or any Throttle Body that is bigger than the factory size?
Makes me wonder how a classic honda vtec would sound if they had put it in the S2k..
there used to be rumors about honda putting a 5 cylinder in their s2000 from all the magazines back in the 90s. I'm guessing it was based off the vigor.
How much would it cost to have that exact same setup on a 2.5 beetle? i loved it.
$$$ or knowledge whichever you posses.
More than likely twice what you paid for the Beetle.
Donde puedo comprar las piezas para tener el motor asi
I'm looking to build my 07 rabbit with this 2.5, where can I buy this stuff???
+lukassaysnault Directly from there website. Performancebyie.com
I want to see one of these in an MR2...
What's that cost? I'd love to have that in my Jetta race car.
Holy shit so fucking sick
Yes please
When you say IE tune, does that mean you flashed the stock ECU or was this engine running standalone?
Its a tuned ecu to run with that intake
the HP increase above 7500RPM is not sufficient to justify the 9400 RPM. More tuning required YO
It's not all about peak power, but also how usable that power is, especially if this is going in a race car.
That throttle body is so tiny, the motor lacks air, probably the fuel system needs an upgrade as well.
If the power doesnt drop, it's way more effective to stay in a lower gear longer for the torque multiplier to the ground.
@@thebaddestogre-3698 speaks the truth. There's a reason why f1 runs high rpm motors. You can gear down and multiply the torque even more giving you higher Torque at the wheels.
Do you plan on making any turbo kits for the 2.5 in the future or is it a lost cause?
Not at this time, no.
Y’all do any sponsor, I’m about to get into SCCA racing and want to be different an go all motor 07k in a mk6 Jetta . I already have the car .I have a mk4 3.2 swap on emu black turbo ect and a a3 3.2 bolt on, but the mk6 weight an MQB platform is hard to pass look at the lamas rs3😊
That powerband though. Flat from like 7500 all the way to redline. Mmmmmm.
Is this setup just for the 2.5 Manual transmission alone, or will this also work for the DSG transmissions? If so that would make me so happy
Hey Ricardo, what year, make, and model is your 2.5L that also has a DSG?
@@IEtuned mkv 2008 jetta 2.5l SE also does have electronic power steering
2.5 5 cyl stock 170hp tunned 200hp 9400 rpm nice ! :D
my 2.5 5cyl turbo stock 225hp tunned 280hp a only 7500 rpm :D ...
complete bull not way u got 280hp
+Miguel Vazquez Turbo Charged not naturally Aspirated. Forced induction will always make more power. 280hp is pretty high on stock internals but with a built bottom end, stronger head gasket and bolts these make 450+hp. unitronics mk5 2.5 turbo makes 650hp. built of course.
Miguel Vazquez you can make 280hp on factory internals and a turbo, you just need to make sure you have a proper EFI tune... most I could see being an issue is killing your trans with that much power. I've seen a 98 Subaru Forester make 300AWHP on all factory internals with just a proper fuel system setup. It also depends on your boost threshold too... the bottom end torque for the most part is good on the 2.5s since they need a lot of weights for balancing so there's a lot of rotating mass hence why the engine inherently feels torquey.
Hey Integrated, I'm planning to swap a 2.5 into my 07 mk4 golf city, wanna do a really pristine job with the build. So my question even though you dont currently offer those parts for sale on your website, could I special order a package including all of the items listed in the vid from you guys for somewhere around $9000 Canadian?
Hey Caluzzu, reach out to sales@perfomancebyie.com
@@IEtuned could I order the Parts in the video I’m willing to pay same thing with the packaged deal name your price I was thinking around the same 9000 usd you all should put a kit out now people are doing a lot of stuff to 2.5l 07k engines
its an amazing engine no doubt but its only just making over 100hp per litre a honda s2k engine stock is about 240bhp out of a 2L , is it some limiting factor about the 5 cyl ? or was this built more for driveability
mr house That's not really a stark comparison though. The s2k engine you reference would be making 120 hp per liter. This 2.5 is making 112 hp/L (and on 91 octane I believe) which is 93% of the equivalent displacement power output of the s2k engine.
Without knowing the details of both setups it's difficult to say why the output is lower, but note that 11.5 is relatively low for an NA build. A small bump in compression and accompanying increase in fuel octane could likely make this 2.5 comparable.
mr house Not to mention that Honda s2k probably doesn't make much torque at all. Need to consider bore to stroke ratio and its role in torque/power.
Did any staff member to get to put this in a chassis I wonder? Would be a amazing in an mk1 or 2.
It's been sitting on a pallet rack, haha. But, agreed!
I see IE has made many of these parts available on your website with the exception of cams, do you, or would you make camshafts available to people looking to do NA builds?
We did do a run of billet 2.5L N/A or boosted cams a while ago, they are all gone. The issue is, the stock cam is already rather aggressive, in order to make it more aggressive, the aftermarket cam requires a lot of custom work. The head has to be modified to clear the larger lobes, the guides must be replaced and pushed in further, custom pistons were required with deeper valve grooves, and they required a stand-alone ECU to tune as the cam sensor readings were no longer readable on the stock ECU. Anything less than this just does not make any more power over the stock cam. Its a nothing or all-out type of deal. For that reason, as you can imagine, the market was very limited and slow on them.
Integrated Engineering LLC. Completely understandable if that's the case. Thanks for responding.
The 2.5 is such an unloved motor, I have come to appreciate it a lot more since buying a rabbit. I will be an IE customer in the near future. Aside from exhaust, does IE recommend any other mods with the 2.5 power kit?
@@samvimes1083 not sure if you still have the rabbit but the evoheader is pretty nice, although not cheap
I love what you are doing, so no whining, just technical thougts... after 7500rpm engine stop making power and continues very flat. you retire timing too much because of bad fuel, or wrong VVT setting? or just cams not correct spec to scale to top end power.
and the piston speed is way way over the limit. A 07K with 92,8 Stroke's max is about 8500. All over this damaged the Piston and Cylinder wall. Its just pure Physics. There is no pistonspeed over 27m/s that a single engine in the world would survive
Sounds like a bloody zonda at the last couple hundred RPM 😅
It really needs ITBs and a better intake plenum
Can you do this with volvo 5 cylinder also ? :)
As i stare out the window at my 04 s60 thats already had 2 motors LOL
A moose is not a bull. ;) The secret sauce is in VAG/Lamborghini developments. IE just made it spicy.
@@luckythirteen77 But also to be fair, TWR had 310/320hp out of the 2.0 5 cylinder Volvo engines back in the 90's in the BTCC. So it's doable easily.
@@deafyboy86 donut just did a nice video about that. Theyll let you know why it wasnt so cheap and easy.
Still, I love volvo's 5 pots, and i bet they have some good potential. Hell, I'd love to have one, even if just for the sound.
I have a 2012 Passat with this motor and a 5 speed manual. How much do you think it would cost to have my motor made to be exactly like the one in the video?
We would love to help you with your 2.5L project. Get in touch with our sales team to explore your options. sales@performancebyie.com
-Thanks!
I really wish Volvo didn't get rid of their inline-5. When Geely bought them the greenies there got rid of every engine larger than a 4-cylinder...
Lol the new chinese volvo electric pos star, i mean pole star car commercials are the worst, to think they made such great cars and engines, it's sad...
Any plans to try and keep the torque from falling off after 7500rpm?
Nitrous or boost is the only way to solve that.
Wish IE would sell the cnc ported head
you guys do volvo motors??
need some spa love and a ar.63 spa700
Out of curiosity, what is the stainless line connected to the end of the head? Is that an oil port?
Yes, that is a line that feeds a system to monitor oil pressure. :)
Degreess cams? 🙏
do you guys still offer camshafts upgrades for 2.5
Sorry, no. The stock camshafts are rather aggressive as-is, to get a good upgrade out of them we had to make a very aggressive camshaft. They required custom pistons with deeper valve grooves, custom head work, aftermarket guides pressed in further, and a stand-alone ECU management. They were only purchased by guys building big power turbo or high-rev N/A setups. That coupled with a low-run expensive billet design made them very slow movers. They were a one-off process that we will not likely do again.
Hope that makes sense!
Pretty amazing but still seems to have throttle lag?
Are you referring to the point after 0:40 ?
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Cary Burkett 0:18 I wouldn't consider that throttle lag. Considering this is a single throttle body setup. That short delay is common with almost all single throttle body manifolds as the intake manifold has to fill with air before reaching each individual cylinder port. Ideally this engine would need a ITB system.
280 horsepower na ? Not bad with some work a turbo set up and custom headers for the most power and some nitrous that’s easy 1,000 hp especially if it’s spinning to 9,400 rpm with boost 😮💨
Why can’t I find the parts mentioned on web site????
They don't offer them. It was mostly custom built.
Have you tried high compression and a 90mm throttle body?
This is a very old project now, but back then anything larger than 80mm stopped producing results -that was the sweet spot. This was on higher CR, 11.5:1 -we even made higher compression kits for sale years and years ago -but the sales couldn't support the continued production.
@@IEtuned I am sorry that it was not a good deal because it is a good engine to deal with the n/a or turbo Hondas, in the k24 I saw a 90mm throttle body with high compression and they give a lot of power.
It would be cool if they made a 25 valve head for these
Can i Purchase this engine? i have a mk6 2.5 se jetta with manual transmission that i would like to upgrade or engine swap
I wanna see it with boost
What fuel??
stock crank tho?