I'm becoming a big fan of Kone. He's tall, strong, talented and cool-headed. Simply loved his calm scoring that winning PK. Can't wait to see him mature for the 2026 WC.
Nobody is expecting Canada to win so I don't think there's any outside pressure. The only pressure would come from themselves and their own expectations
I think more of the pressure is on Argentina, as they are expected to win and Canada is looked at as lucky to be here. (even though they deserve it). I think it frees Canada up more than Argentina. Let's hope for the biggest upset in football! Come on CANADA!! Let's go!
Qualifying for the World Cup in the manner which Canada did is more impressive. Top of the region, not losing to US or Mexico, and asserting themselves as leaders in the region. This Copa is amazing and if they had made the World Cup via the New Zealand playoff after losing to the perennial top nation in CONCACAF I would say that this is more impressive. Just the manner in which they qualified was better. As someone who had their hopes crushed in a 8-1 loss and has been a supporter of the National team for 20 years it is absolutely wonderful that we can even have this discussion. Let's beat Argentina and bring the Copa as far north as it has ever been!
We should just celebrate that we've had TWO of these amazing moments in just a few years! lol. Qualifying for the WC was Canada finally arriving, reaching the semi's of the Copa America is the world finally noticing. Qualifying for the WC was probably our toughest test. Yet, whether it's right or not, in the rest of the worlds eyes getting results against Conmebol teams like Chile, Peru, Venezuela, and causing Argentina some trouble is a much bigger deal I think.
To make a correct analysis, it should be measured based on the form and the impact. If we were to talk about the form, it could be said that it is 50-50, because it managed to qualify first over the US and Mexico, in a round-robin format. everyone, while in the Copa America he did so playing a very South American style, and always in front surprising everyone. If we talk about the impact at an international level, being in the semi-finals has an important media impact for being in a privileged position in an important tournament and at the highest level throughout the continent and for the teams present, only behind the World Cup and slightly of the European Championship, and unfortunately Canada did not score a single point in the group stage of the World Cup, so the local impact of its classification did not have an echo in the World Cup. So we could say that it is actually slightly more important to be in the semifinals of the Copa América than the World Cup Qualification and it is not over yet, you have the chance to fight to be in the final which would be more noticeable than the difference or at least a third place, which would also be historic.
It is normal for Venezuelan players to say that qualifying for the World Cup is the more significant achievement; qualifying in the CONMEBOL is really hard (not anymore, because now it's like the top 6 teams that go to the WC), so it is a more significant achievement for them, and they have never done it. For Canada, reaching the semis is a more significant achievement because, with the team they have, you should expect to qualify for the WC.
Shouldn't have even been a conversation. Oli and AGR are right. Semifinal in Copa is so much more impressive. We are so much better than teams in CONCACAF.
Y'all should note. Osorio comes out for big games. He doesn't score often, but in the biggest games on the biggest stages he has a tendancy to show up on the score sheet (Assist or goal) - It would be shocking to see if he didn't have a massive impact if he gets the start. (I would recommend him on the start, and then sub him for penalty kicks - he was never a strong on pens... basically, what marcsh did last game made a whole bunch of sense)
8-9 years ago is when this Canada team should have been hyped. Now everyone is coming of age and still 80% of the country doesn’t even know we’re even hosting the World Cup 😂
The reason why Copa America is second is because it is our first and a new, hopefully to stay, 16 team Copa America. Now if we win it will be number one.
I think for non-football fans (esp here in Canada) the world-cup was the most impressive...however, as a football fan the feat of getting to the semi's in COPA is just as or slightly more impressive, you have to take into account the close games, draws etc in this evaluation for COPA (imho).
i hope canada can create some chances and score a goal (they need to finish better) while making a game of it and keeping it close. 2-1 argentina or even 3-1 would be respectable. anything more for canada would be miraculous. i'm not opposed to miracles but it's great experience regardless. they've already exceeded expectations.
Regardless of which accomplishment was more impressive, this upcoming match is the biggest in the history of Canadian soccer. Bigger than the women's gold medal match 3 years ago.
@@jennifer9522 Yeah I don' think so. Olympic soccer is U23 and doesn't count the way this tourny does. Of course the women's Olympics is not U23, but it is - and no slight intended - women's soccer. In the eyes of the world, women's soccer is simply not as important. So with all due respect, this upcoming match is the biggest in Canadian soccer history. Maybe you could take a poll and see what people think? Honestly, Olympic gold for soccer is just not that big - it's different than say Ice Hockey where Olympic Gold is no. 1.
Qualifying for the World Cup against underwhelming teams like the US and Mexico is certainly not as big of an accomplishment as making it to Copa semis (the 2nd most competitive continental tournament after Euros). Other than this talented Canada side, CONCACAF teams have been an absolute joke this generation 😂
I take solace in the fact that Canada will at least try for 3rd place on Sat if they can't beat Argentina. It is still progress, and bodes well for them going into next year's Gold Cup and then the 2026 World Cup
In addition to all that's been said, Canada is a young team on the rise. A team which hasn't reached all its potential yet. On the other hand, Argentina is an aging team which has already peaked during the WC and now needs renovation but that renovation is not happening. That is another reason to believe Canada has a real chance to make history tonight.
Weird Canadian commentary downplaying and diminishing your own teams’ accomplishments and making people decide between 2 successes. Also complaining players won’t admit (or be forced) to pressure that they may not feel is crazy!!🤪 American here-not understanding that culture at all! We’d just brag about all of it. And our pundits keep saying American Jesse Marsch to even try to take some credit for the Canadian success.😂
Thats what separates America from Canada.Americans expect to win wheather its feasible or not and Canadians are just happy to be this far. I wish it was different here screw Argentina I want to win
CANADA qualifying for the WC was huge, mainly topping the group over MEXICO and US. IMO advancing out of a group from qualifiers in a major tourney is more significant although at the time CANADA getting to the WC was huge as it rarely occurred in its history. CANADA makes the biggest move on the FIFA ranking come the 17th
Such a fiery debate between Canadians! 😂 I have to say I might side with Oliver on the semifinal appearance and Jordan on the breakout player. I’d never heard of Shaffelburg before and his appearances in the warm-up games made me think he was a good sub, but what he’s done at the tournament is incredible. I love Crépeau, but I knew about him as the starting keeper of 1 in F the best MLS teams before.
This was a very odd discussion. It amazes me that we have two commentators ( Gareth Wheeler and Jordan Wilson) who don't understand what it means to not be under pressure. Of course Canada is under some sort of pressure as they are athletes who play to win but we are facing the defending World Cup Champions and Number 1 ranked team in the world ( Argentina) who have won 19 of their last 20 matches. No ties, all wins. So they are the heavy favorites and if they were to lose to Canada, there would be all kinds of negative commentary towards Argentina and much less positive for Canada. Argentina is expected to win this game and anything less would be deemed a failure to them and thier fans. If Argentina wins this game, it is expected and nobody has anything bad to say about Canada. We would be proud of them regardless and they will get some much deserved respect. Only thing that would hurt the Canadians is if we get blown out. In regards to the question about which run was more impressive for Canada, once again the same two commentators don't seem to understand the question. The question was not what is more important or bigger, the question is what is more impressive. It was awesome to qualify for the World Cup but teams like Honduras, Mexico and El Salvador were nowhere near the quality of previous years. The Americans are struggling internally and Jamaica, Costa Rica and Panama are not strong either. Adding in Covid as another reason is another absolutely head scratching point. Every country was dealing with Covid back then, not just Canada. Canada is the ONLY CONCACAF country in the final four and have 2 wins a loss and 1 draw against South American teams. That is huge to say. The weakness of CONCACAF proved itself in this very tournament. - The Americans were terrible and undisciplined, they never even made it out of their group and their only win was against the lowest ranked country ( Bolivia). - Jamica lost all three matches and looked awful. Didn't make it out of their group. - Mexico didn't make it out of their group. They never seemed to be a threat to anybody and are nowhere near the team they used to be. - Costa Rica never made it out of their group. - Panama was the only other country from our region to make the playoffs and they got absolutely destroyed by Columbia 5-0. Lastly, Venezuela looked very impressive in pool play. They went 3-0 and gave up one goal. Canada outplayed them and with better finishing around the net, would have won without penalties. That and a horrible goal given up. The question regarding Shaffelburg and Crepeau. Once again the same two guys stick together but what bothers me is Gareth Wheeler is supposed to be a supporter of Canadian Soccer but seems to find a way to put down Crepeau. Oliver was referring to Gareth ( who seemed clueless) about some people didn't have Crepeau as the starting goalkeeper. In fact, Wheeler has pointed out numerous times that Crepeau is too small. Shaffelburg has been impressive but keep in mind he has not played a full game, which includes the one he started and Canada doesn't get through to the semi finals without the incredible penalty kicks performance by Crepeau. Thumbs up to Oliver Platt and Alexandre Gangue- Ruzic for keeping the conversation normal and having great points. Their points have nothing to do with recency bias as mentioned by Gareth.
It’s good to see Canada came this far and did well , but this will be it. Argentina never lost any semifinals and they will dominate the game and will win easy. They will not give space like last game and will not make many mistakes. Messi’s horoscope among all the captains looks very strong and they will win the Copa . None can’t sop Argentina . Argentina vs Canada 3-0.
Wheeler years ago came across as a passionate pundit for TFC. In recent years, he's borderline unlistenable with what seems to be narcissism mixed with a weird desire to argue. It's not making for more compelling debate because the counter points are all presented with scoff's and loudness rather than well thought out points - it's like he's trying to be on First Take without realizing that that shit doesn't play well to a Canadian audience. Would much rather this panel with Wheeler.
Copa America semifinal >>> qualifying through concacaf for the world cup. Like yeah Venezuela would rather make the WC because they play in Conmebol, which is multiple levels of difficulty harder than qualifying in concacaf. Sorry but this is the greatest achievement in the history of the men’s national team.
I like all 4 of these Canadian pundits, but Gareth Wheeler comes across as, at times arrogant, and only his opinion matters. I think 🤔 it's fair to appreciate both sides of a discussion as it makes it much more intriguing, without bias. Where is the best host, Andi, to keep the boys in check.
Nothing wrong with 'The Maritime Messi', it's "Oh Canada Oh Baby" that sucks hindquarters and has to go. Imagine promoting your own made up, cringey catchphrase. Lame!
There are many Venezuelans in the US, and most may be refugees who can't return because of the divisive political scene in their homeland. This was their opportunity to reconnect with the football hopes and dreams that mean so much to their country.
Oh my god.. Gareth needs to never host again. This gets worse and worse. Have some shame Gareth. OneSoccer, pull the reins for crying out loud. Giving his perspective on everything others say is ridiculous. Borderline narcissist.
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I'm becoming a big fan of Kone. He's tall, strong, talented and cool-headed. Simply loved his calm scoring that winning PK. Can't wait to see him mature for the 2026 WC.
Kone has tons of upside
Argentina will take unbelievable heat from their fans and media if they lose. Canada? Not so much.
Nobody is expecting Canada to win so I don't think there's any outside pressure. The only pressure would come from themselves and their own expectations
I think more of the pressure is on Argentina, as they are expected to win and Canada is looked at as lucky to be here. (even though they deserve it). I think it frees Canada up more than Argentina. Let's hope for the biggest upset in football! Come on CANADA!! Let's go!
Qualifying for the World Cup in the manner which Canada did is more impressive. Top of the region, not losing to US or Mexico, and asserting themselves as leaders in the region.
This Copa is amazing and if they had made the World Cup via the New Zealand playoff after losing to the perennial top nation in CONCACAF I would say that this is more impressive. Just the manner in which they qualified was better.
As someone who had their hopes crushed in a 8-1 loss and has been a supporter of the National team for 20 years it is absolutely wonderful that we can even have this discussion.
Let's beat Argentina and bring the Copa as far north as it has ever been!
No pressure from CanMNT, try to play their best, period.
We should just celebrate that we've had TWO of these amazing moments in just a few years! lol. Qualifying for the WC was Canada finally arriving, reaching the semi's of the Copa America is the world finally noticing. Qualifying for the WC was probably our toughest test. Yet, whether it's right or not, in the rest of the worlds eyes getting results against Conmebol teams like Chile, Peru, Venezuela, and causing Argentina some trouble is a much bigger deal I think.
To make a correct analysis, it should be measured based on the form and the impact. If we were to talk about the form, it could be said that it is 50-50, because it managed to qualify first over the US and Mexico, in a round-robin format. everyone, while in the Copa America he did so playing a very South American style, and always in front surprising everyone. If we talk about the impact at an international level, being in the semi-finals has an important media impact for being in a privileged position in an important tournament and at the highest level throughout the continent and for the teams present, only behind the World Cup and slightly of the European Championship, and unfortunately Canada did not score a single point in the group stage of the World Cup, so the local impact of its classification did not have an echo in the World Cup. So we could say that it is actually slightly more important to be in the semifinals of the Copa América than the World Cup Qualification and it is not over yet, you have the chance to fight to be in the final which would be more noticeable than the difference or at least a third place, which would also be historic.
It is normal for Venezuelan players to say that qualifying for the World Cup is the more significant achievement; qualifying in the CONMEBOL is really hard (not anymore, because now it's like the top 6 teams that go to the WC), so it is a more significant achievement for them, and they have never done it. For Canada, reaching the semis is a more significant achievement because, with the team they have, you should expect to qualify for the WC.
It’s 5 am my brother is driving on our way to NJ and I’m listening to this 🫠
lol Loved the debate over World Cup vs Copa America. Cheers.
Shouldn't have even been a conversation. Oli and AGR are right. Semifinal in Copa is so much more impressive. We are so much better than teams in CONCACAF.
"burst onto the scene" gets me every time 😂😂😂
So you say winning this next game would be the greatest achievement in Canadian soccer history, but just not playing in it? Gotcha. Makes sense.
I wouldn't call it that. Last time Argentina didn't take you seriously. This time they Will!
That Solteldo quote has to be put in a context. Venezuela has never qualified for a World Cup. We had already qualified once for the WC in 86
Very different story qualifying in CONCACAF vs CONMEBOL.
Y'all should note. Osorio comes out for big games. He doesn't score often, but in the biggest games on the biggest stages he has a tendancy to show up on the score sheet (Assist or goal) - It would be shocking to see if he didn't have a massive impact if he gets the start.
(I would recommend him on the start, and then sub him for penalty kicks - he was never a strong on pens... basically, what marcsh did last game made a whole bunch of sense)
"Ya'll"?
8-9 years ago is when this Canada team should have been hyped. Now everyone is coming of age and still 80% of the country doesn’t even know we’re even hosting the World Cup 😂
Please only have Andi pronounce Vamos! in the intro, it is too painful when Wheels says it… 😅
The reason why Copa America is second is because it is our first and a new, hopefully to stay, 16 team Copa America. Now if we win it will be number one.
I think for non-football fans (esp here in Canada) the world-cup was the most impressive...however, as a football fan the feat of getting to the semi's in COPA is just as or slightly more impressive, you have to take into account the close games, draws etc in this evaluation for COPA (imho).
i hope canada can create some chances and score a goal (they need to finish better) while making a game of it and keeping it close. 2-1 argentina or even 3-1 would be respectable. anything more for canada would be miraculous. i'm not opposed to miracles but it's great experience regardless. they've already exceeded expectations.
Regardless of which accomplishment was more impressive, this upcoming match is the biggest in the history of Canadian soccer. Bigger than the women's gold medal match 3 years ago.
If this was the gold medal game, maybe it could be considered nearly equal to Olympic gold.
@@jennifer9522 Yeah I don' think so. Olympic soccer is U23 and doesn't count the way this tourny does. Of course the women's Olympics is not U23, but it is - and no slight intended - women's soccer. In the eyes of the world, women's soccer is simply not as important. So with all due respect, this upcoming match is the biggest in Canadian soccer history. Maybe you could take a poll and see what people think? Honestly, Olympic gold for soccer is just not that big - it's different than say Ice Hockey where Olympic Gold is no. 1.
Qualifying for the World Cup against underwhelming teams like the US and Mexico is certainly not as big of an accomplishment as making it to Copa semis (the 2nd most competitive continental tournament after Euros). Other than this talented Canada side, CONCACAF teams have been an absolute joke this generation 😂
Nous voulons une diffusion spéciale BOUCLIER CANADIEN en français s'il vous plaît... We want a special CANADIAN SHIELD broadcast in French please...
I take solace in the fact that Canada will at least try for 3rd place on Sat if they can't beat Argentina. It is still progress, and bodes well for them going into next year's Gold Cup and then the 2026 World Cup
In addition to all that's been said, Canada is a young team on the rise. A team which hasn't reached all its potential yet. On the other hand, Argentina is an aging team which has already peaked during the WC and now needs renovation but that renovation is not happening. That is another reason to believe Canada has a real chance to make history tonight.
Weird Canadian commentary downplaying and diminishing your own teams’ accomplishments and making people decide between 2 successes. Also complaining players won’t admit (or be forced) to pressure that they may not feel is crazy!!🤪 American here-not understanding that culture at all! We’d just brag about all of it. And our pundits keep saying American Jesse Marsch to even try to take some credit for the Canadian success.😂
Thats what separates America from Canada.Americans expect to win wheather its feasible or not and Canadians are just happy to be this far. I wish it was different here screw Argentina I want to win
yeah, canadians aren't "high on their own supply" about much of anything. this canadian team has already exceeded expectations.
They're just having fun with it for the sake of debate. I thought it was funny.
@@mwrench4185 me too!!
Oli's and Alex's analyses are the best. Wheeler should not be allowed nowhere near a microphone outside of a karaoke bar.
CANADA qualifying for the WC was huge, mainly topping the group over MEXICO and US. IMO advancing out of a group from qualifiers in a major tourney is more significant although at the time CANADA getting to the WC was huge as it rarely occurred in its history. CANADA makes the biggest move on the FIFA ranking come the 17th
Dreams may come true.
Such a fiery debate between Canadians! 😂 I have to say I might side with Oliver on the semifinal appearance and Jordan on the breakout player. I’d never heard of Shaffelburg before and his appearances in the warm-up games made me think he was a good sub, but what he’s done at the tournament is incredible. I love Crépeau, but I knew about him as the starting keeper of 1 in F the best MLS teams before.
This was a very odd discussion. It amazes me that we have two commentators ( Gareth Wheeler and Jordan Wilson) who don't understand what it means to not be under pressure. Of course Canada is under some sort of pressure as they are athletes who play to win but we are facing the defending World Cup Champions and Number 1 ranked team in the world ( Argentina) who have won 19 of their last 20 matches. No ties, all wins. So they are the heavy favorites and if they were to lose to Canada, there would be all kinds of negative commentary towards Argentina and much less positive for Canada. Argentina is expected to win this game and anything less would be deemed a failure to them and thier fans. If Argentina wins this game, it is expected and nobody has anything bad to say about Canada. We would be proud of them regardless and they will get some much deserved respect. Only thing that would hurt the Canadians is if we get blown out.
In regards to the question about which run was more impressive for Canada, once again the same two commentators don't seem to understand the question. The question was not what is more important or bigger, the question is what is more impressive. It was awesome to qualify for the World Cup but teams like Honduras, Mexico and El Salvador were nowhere near the quality of previous years. The Americans are struggling internally and Jamaica, Costa Rica and Panama are not strong either. Adding in Covid as another reason is another absolutely head scratching point. Every country was dealing with Covid back then, not just Canada. Canada is the ONLY CONCACAF country in the final four and have 2 wins a loss and 1 draw against South American teams. That is huge to say. The weakness of CONCACAF proved itself in this very tournament.
- The Americans were terrible and undisciplined, they never even made it out of their group and their only win was against the lowest ranked country ( Bolivia).
- Jamica lost all three matches and looked awful. Didn't make it out of their group.
- Mexico didn't make it out of their group. They never seemed to be a threat to anybody and are nowhere near the team they used to be.
- Costa Rica never made it out of their group.
- Panama was the only other country from our region to make the playoffs and they got absolutely destroyed by Columbia 5-0.
Lastly, Venezuela looked very impressive in pool play. They went 3-0 and gave up one goal. Canada outplayed them and with better finishing around the net, would have won without penalties. That and a horrible goal given up.
The question regarding Shaffelburg and Crepeau. Once again the same two guys stick together but what bothers me is Gareth Wheeler is supposed to be a supporter of Canadian Soccer but seems to find a way to put down Crepeau. Oliver was referring to Gareth ( who seemed clueless) about some people didn't have Crepeau as the starting goalkeeper. In fact, Wheeler has pointed out numerous times that Crepeau is too small. Shaffelburg has been impressive but keep in mind he has not played a full game, which includes the one he started and Canada doesn't get through to the semi finals without the incredible penalty kicks performance by Crepeau.
Thumbs up to Oliver Platt and Alexandre Gangue- Ruzic for keeping the conversation normal and having great points. Their points have nothing to do with recency bias as mentioned by Gareth.
This is worthy of a Hollywood sports film.
I predict a decisively Argentine victory
Someone needs to teach wheelz how to pronounce vamos
It’s good to see Canada came this far and did well , but this will be it. Argentina never lost any semifinals and they will dominate the game and will win easy. They will not give space like last game and will not make many mistakes.
Messi’s horoscope among all the captains looks very strong and they will win the Copa . None can’t sop Argentina .
Argentina vs Canada 3-0.
Wheeler years ago came across as a passionate pundit for TFC. In recent years, he's borderline unlistenable with what seems to be narcissism mixed with a weird desire to argue. It's not making for more compelling debate because the counter points are all presented with scoff's and loudness rather than well thought out points - it's like he's trying to be on First Take without realizing that that shit doesn't play well to a Canadian audience. Would much rather this panel with Wheeler.
KINGS of the CONCACAF read it and WEAP rest of CONCACAF #1 In WC Qualifying and did best by far in COPA AMerica... Kings of SOCCER! lol
Copa America semifinal >>> qualifying through concacaf for the world cup. Like yeah Venezuela would rather make the WC because they play in Conmebol, which is multiple levels of difficulty harder than qualifying in concacaf. Sorry but this is the greatest achievement in the history of the men’s national team.
Canada taking bodies on the big stage ... bring on WC 26
I like all 4 of these Canadian pundits, but Gareth Wheeler comes across as, at times arrogant, and only his opinion matters. I think 🤔 it's fair to appreciate both sides of a discussion as it makes it much more intriguing, without bias. Where is the best host, Andi, to keep the boys in check.
I think what needs to go away Gareth is "oh canada oh baby"
Nothing wrong with 'The Maritime Messi', it's "Oh Canada Oh Baby" that sucks hindquarters and has to go. Imagine promoting your own made up, cringey catchphrase. Lame!
It has to be Argentina that is under more pressure because to lose to little Canada would be a disaster for threm.
Agree
Imagine if canada win 😆
Wheeler is the worst.
Canada will win 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
Were all the supporters for Argentina, Venezuela, Bolivia etc., living in America, or did they travel for the game?
Both
Surprised Canada is so close to the US and we barely have any fans cheering for our team
There are many Venezuelans in the US, and most may be refugees who can't return because of the divisive political scene in their homeland. This was their opportunity to reconnect with the football hopes and dreams that mean so much to their country.
Gareth needs to not host again.
Oh my god.. Gareth needs to never host again. This gets worse and worse. Have some shame Gareth. OneSoccer, pull the reins for crying out loud. Giving his perspective on everything others say is ridiculous. Borderline narcissist.