eBay SUPPORTS Seller in Fake Jordan PMG Saga 🚨
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- eBay SUPPORTS Seller in Fake Jordan PMG Saga 🚨
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Another day, another update regarding this Fake Michael Jordan Red Precious Metal Gems card graded by BGS.
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Absolutely awful- very disappointing that eBay did not take a stand on this. Poor behavior and scamming continues to be rewarded. That being said great job keeping your viewers informed Dan! I really feel the hobby is in a bad place. Dust has settled, the lights have been turned on, and we’re seeing scam after scam on TH-cam.
Keep in mind, I put a spotlight on scammers and bad behaviour. It’s not the norm for the hobby at all.
@@DanTheCardMan2 nobody said it was the norm, but there have been all too many instances. What happened to Blake from Blake’s breaks on whatnot?? (Many others especially from whatnot but this went mainstream) I’m guessing nothing as he’s just gone back to football and there has been no criminal prosecution. While it’s not normal, these are black eyes for the hobby as a whole. I’ve only been watching TH-cam content for a year now and it makes ME want to throw my hands up and stop participating, and I’ve been collecting since the mid 1980s
how does this not make sense? not saying its right...but it is a graded card....ebay said bgs graded it...and they did.....so bgs is responsible. pretty simple to understand
eBay policy relies on BGS, BGS make error, eBay stand by their initial decision. It’s dumb and exposes them to fraud.
ebay is compounding the bgs screw up
Yup.
Simple fix would be eBay refund the buyer and BGS compensate the seller in some capacity.
The seller who has dealt with many high end & rare 90s cards, would have definitely known this was not a real PMG but submitted anyway.... or did the colouring in themselves.. screams scammer to me
eBay has opened the doors for scammers.... a fake card in a fake slab with a real label, eBay checks the label matches the auction title... win for the scammer...
There is nothing rare about 90s cards. Lmao, I lived through it. More card lies accepted by the ignorant
@@johnnypopsicle ignorant 🤣🤣 .... your assumption is so incorrect, you simply have no idea 🤣🤣
This is ultimately a BGS problem. eBay AG can only really do so much on a graded card. It would be near impossible to authenticate a card in a slab already. eBay is relying on the grading companies to know what they are doing. Is AG perfect no but it’s better than what we had before. If this was a raw card this never makes it thru AG they would reject it in seconds.
It would be really interesting to see stats on the items rejected via the AG program.
Is CGC not catching everything they should, hence psa soon to take over both raw and graded?
It is unequivocally a BGS problem but its highlighted a gap within eBay policy and completely undermined it. They are reliant on the grader when the grader themselves will not stand by their own work.
It's exposing them to fraud and we will continue to see more of it until they fix it. eBay should amend the AG policy for instances in which graders admit fault.
@DanTheCardMan2 based on sheer numbers, there's likely many more psa mislabeled/misgraded cards passing through authentication.
Bgs obviously is at fault in this and many other examples, but the AG program could benefit from some language covering blatant grading/authentication errors.
They need to update the wording because the AG passed when in reality it shouldn't have. The card is no longer as described and is therefore a fail. There needs to be some clarity around that in their policy.
I am a huge fan of AG, I've copped plenty of flak for supporting it in the past but this is a concerning insight imo
Disappointing to see the seller might be rewarded, but happy to hear the buyer is being covered.
I told everyone - once the slab is authenticated and passed by eBay Authentication, its out of the sellers hands if theres any problems. Once Beckett confirmed the slab was authentic ebay had to pay the seller. The problem is with Beckett and the buyer for buying this terrible card and not checking the previous sales of the seller.
I’ve had that happen with some purchases that I’ve made through eBay, the sellers cards were not as described and they kept the monies, but also refunded me. Not thousands of dollars by any means, but still seems to be what they are doing.
I NEVER SEEN THAT COMING FROM EBAY WOW ! EBAY HAD THE SPOTLIGHT ON THEM TO MAKE A STATEMENT THAT THEY WILL NOT SUPPORT THIS AND THEY FAILED ON THIS ONE !👎
E-bay refunded the buyer and let the seller keept the money, they let the sale go though. Why shouldnt the seller keep the money? E-bay paid the money but i'd bet the have something with BGS on the backend or they can just pull BGS cards from E-bay auth. and BGS wouldnt want that.
Watch the last video to understand why this is a bad thing to reward sellers like this one
eBay may be rewarding a scam. Thank you Dan for helping Ben resolve this sad situation.
Thanks mate
You can never have a perfect system. At least ebay refunded the buyer so the buyer didn't lose
They can fix this rather easily.
Amend the policy to remove the inherent reliance on graders work. If a grading error is identified, they can work with seller to seek compensation from the grader.
@@DanTheCardMan2 Your idea is very good
nfts
@@hitmanskid-td4pg ? nfts?
the bottom line isn't ebay supporting this particular "scam", but ebay's authentication guarantee program being complete nonsense from the start. as advertised, they made sure the card wasn't in a fake case, so they had to let the seller keep the money in order to abide by the rules they put on themselves. the buyer getting screwed is a result of BGS making a mistake, not ebay following their authentication guarantee. ebay paid out of pocket to the buyer when it should've been BGS paying it out
Their policy really should be amended to account for grader mistakes and then help the sellers seek compensation from the graders.
Nice talking to you for the first time. PEOPLE LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE!!
I guess eBay’s 100% guarantee is not a 100% guarantee, how disappointing. I bought a card going through that process right now, might not buy from them again ?
Being new to the channel..how didyou get a rader green hat and how did it cane about?? I have never seen that and just wondering if its custom??
I bought it from Lids here in Sydney.
They release these hats across all teams in standard colours, Red, Green, Tan/Cream etc
Thanks for the info!! I'll get one for my brother in-law who is I Raider and is in the forces!!
Has anyone pointed out this seller to the card manufacturer so they can speak to the "Test PMG" cards? We see how Ebay is sticking with their Ebay Authenticity function, which is a failure on the hired Card Grader. Pay me to look at a card and say yep its graded. Should manufacturers have a hand in calling out fakes?
Seller did not want to discuss with me.
Sorry to ask so many questions but can u you give any fid back on why did you chose the Raiders for your team?? Much love and keep up the vivds... my last question!!
I actually don’t support any NFL team. I just bought it cause it looks cool haha. American franchises are marketed as pop culture here in Australia.
Sad day for us Buyers. How the hell can Ebay release the 23k to the Seller? Beckett grades a non PMG Card as a PMG. There’s just so much wrong all the way around with this one. Like you mentioned Dan, if this wasn’t in the limelight like it was Beckett and PSA would have probably ghosted the Buyer just like they’re going to do to all of us on a lesser card. Looks like I’m going to have to add a 3rd Category to my EBay Purchases. Graded, Top Loaded and now Fake Cards. Nice job EBay and Beckett
I understand eBay perspective with how the authenticity guarantee is structured but it needs to be amended. Can’t be having unethical sellers be rewarded
Agree.Werewardthem!
BGS is the joke in this whole situation.. they should be stumping up the cash. Ebay have stood by their word and been left out of pocket, bgs can't even label a card correctly. Also on that, surely that's a bigger issue, that a grader can review a card and it then be labelled by someone else as one of the best variations for that player..
Completely agree and I mentioned that BGS labelling mistake in a different video. It’s a joke.
@@DanTheCardMan2 if you haven't seen simon466cards video on the owner of Beckett, it's worth a watch.. kind of speaks to why Beckett is how it is at the moment 🪦🙏
Will eBay stop offering the guarantee on BGS?
Nope! Or at least, not yet
I will never use eBay again.
A bit hard not to, best place to buy cards
😂😂😂yes you will
Id sue ebay and BGS
Buyer is getting refunded so there is nothing to sue
We love BGS and long live Beckett
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Are your vids always pre recorded or do you do lives to put input with responses??
Pre recorded. This one was a premier though so it allows people to live chat too. I usually do a live every few weeks.
I'm new and can't wait to see you live.. keep it up love the info!!
Good 'ole Ebay. They have a monopoly and their behaviour reflects that. They can do whatever they like.
Normally refunding both parties would be a good thing but in instances like this it just exposes to collectors to a lot more fraud.
@@DanTheCardMan2 Totally agree.
Ebay sucks
All the parties involved have zero credibility. There are no victims. The buyer, the seller, eBay, BGS, PSA, the entire card industry, lmao. Fake values on fake cards. Caveat Emptor is the card world. eBay authentication has always been BS, only thing that did was make the seller wait a month to get paid. That's my experience as a seller. Anyone spending thousands on products that don't increase in value has money to blow and doesn't understand the history of cards or money or investments. Modern cards have never been an investment . Pre 1969 are the only cards with smaller print runs and all that vintage has been juiced and graded. Cards has been taken over by scammers, thanks to Ken Goldin and Don West, 40 years ago . They laid the groundwork for what cards are now.
Any questions you want to ask the buyer? Doing an interview tomorrow.
Had to edit as I accidentally wrote seller
I think eBay completely did the right thing both ppl got the money because THEIR guarantee failed. You are assuming eBay is going to screw the buyer in the future which is possible but BOTH parties got their money in this case and that’s exactly how it should go in the future if eBay’s guarantee fails. The point of that guarantee is for eBay to protect the buyer and seller. They make a fortune in fees and if their GUARANTEE fails they should eat it on both sides. It’s their fault for having a trash guarantee program. How does it not make sense to you that they guruanteed the sale with the buyer and seller and now can flip flop and tell the seller hey we changed our minds. The word GURUANTEE is pretty straight forward. They should of caught it and if they don’t both sides should be treated the way they were in this instance.
Their guarantee didn't fail. It passed.
Their guarantee has a huge loop hole in instances like this where its built on false pretenses. The guarantee can't work because the card is not as described due to the grading error.
That is my whole point. You aren’t following along. eBay’s guarantee program passed a fake card therefore the program as a whole FAILED. Since eBay’s program is an authenticity guarantee and it passed a fake card and FAILED both the BUYER and SELLER than EBAY should be on the hook both ways. The buyer should get a refund because they were told the card was authentic GUARANTEED and the seller should get paid because they were also told it was authentic GUARANTEED. It makes no sense to even have the program if they can guarantee a card and then a week later change their mind because they screwed up the first time. EBay got it right and should honor the seller and refund the buyer in the future. Maybe they should actually do their job and get it right the first time since they have unlimited cash and resources.
Any process that rewards unethical sellers or scammers is ridiculous.
There is no loophole either. You called this card was fake just from a picture off the auction and no offense but you aren’t God. If anyone was really doing their due diligence this card should have been flagged and reviewed seriously not just passed through and check marked because it was in a real slab. If eBay wants to have a half assed review program than they should pay the consequences both ways
The card is fake though? Not sure if that was a shot at me?
I am happy that eBay has to pay twice for their own incompetence but that shouldn't mean that their policy should be structured in a way that scammers can take advantage.
This take...seems off, especially considering you conduct audits and review policies. You are looking at the ethics and morals of it, not the contractual obligation. eBay's trusted agent who conducted the review of the card under the AG contract, whether it was PSA or CGC passed it based on the requirements of their Authenticity Guarantee Contract. The terms of service between the seller and eBay is still in effect. eBay is actually honoring that term of service and contract between them and the seller of an item being a Final Sale after PASSING AUTHENTICITY GUARANTEE. eBay refunding the money themselves on the seller's behalf, is absolutely the right thing to do based on their own terms of service. Contractually, the seller didn't do anything wrong. Ethically and morally, the seller was dead ass wrong. Don't think for a minute that eBay will not go after their "trusted agent", whether PSA or CGC to recoup that money. Not to mention, probably amending the terms of that authenticity guarantee contract and what is a pass/fail. The more frustrating thing is amending that authenticity guarantee contract is going to push that cost to sellers.
I understand this argument for sure. My perspective is that their AG policy should be amended to account for grading error or when graders admit fault.
Their policy is flawed in the first place because it takes an inherent belief that the graders are provided customers with a guarantee. BGS and SGC do not, therefore a gap exists.
At the end of the day they've opened a can of worms for themselves. More will come, they will continue to be made out of pocket and collectors will be stuck with worthless cards.
The other thing to add is that the agreement is based on a false pretense. The card wasn't what was listed. eBay should then work on the sellers behalf for compensation from the grader.
@@DanTheCardMan2 The AG was never identified as a process to confirm how appropriately a grading company graded a card. It was to confirm what the seller listed and described is what has been received and to watch out for fake slabs. The card was listed and sold as labeled regardless of BGS failure. Beyond the clearly unethical behavior, it did expose a loophole and opportunity that will more than likely be corrected, the seller technically did not do anything wrong based on the Terms of Service for selling, neither did the AG agent.Whether or not it was labeled correctly was never something that the AG Agent was not required to do nor was it never stated anywhere in any service information about the AG program that it would do that. eBay is actually doing more customer service wise by refunding the buyer out of their own pocket, but also standing by their seller policies. If they pulled the money from the seller, there are grounds to sue eBay for violating their documented terms. This shows on both ends that eBay is at least honoring something. Which we have all been clamoring for.
@@gsquared.collectibles8392 that’s fair but the card sold no longer matches the description. We will see more unethical sellers and scammers take advantage of this gap by eBay. It needs to be amended to account for situations such as this and provide an avenue for recourse for both seller and eBay with the TPG
@@DanTheCardMan2 You are missing the point. The 100% authentic untampered BGS slab that matched the description and title of the listing said it was a PMG. If the Slab was tampered, then absolutely it should have failed. But it wasn't. No where in the policy does it state that the Authenticity Guarantee is confirming the grade of the card. Think about it this way - Slabbed card is a BGS 9.5 with all 9.5 subgrades. Do you think the graded card should be rejected by the Authenticity Guarantee program if Agent thinks the corners should be a 9?