I made this video to completely explain these points but here is a summary for the impatient and eager: - Imane Khalif comes from a country where it is illegal for her to medically transition so there is no feasible way that she is a transgender woman nor would she represent her country on a grand stage while being transgender. - THERE IS NO ACTUAL PROOF OF HER HAVING XY CHROMOSOMES NOR ELEVATED TESTOSTERONE. If you have been told that, that is not true. The details of the IBA’s “gender test” have not been released. We do not know what they say. JK Rowling’s main issue Is she hasn’t seen the tests. -Khelif was initially accused of being a man because she was winning against a Russian opponent. The IBA is a Russian organization. They challenged her gender to maintain the record of Azalia Amineva who had been on a winning streak. - So essentially the idea that Imane Khelif is a man is Russian propaganda that JK Rowling and many others fell for because, to them, she does not look feminine. To their western eyes, she looks masculine especially when up against a white woman. That is why it is misogynistic. They are robbing her of her womanhood because she is successful at her sport and to them, she does not look feminine. It is text book misogyny. - and my ultimate point is that IF Imane Khelif does have elevated testosterone, that’s stil something natural to her as a cis woman. So the idea that she becomes a biological man purely because of that would be shifting the previously stated requirements of being born a woman to be a woman. - So JK Rowling removing her from womanhood is proof that even cis women do not always measure up and typically when someone scrutinizes a woman in this way, we plainly name it misogynistic.
@@trinkets7777 The IBA test is not credible, given the organization's long history of corruption, which eventually got them banned from the Olympics; the refusal to disclose the test's results (even Khelif only knows that she "failed" it, but not the actual results) or even what kind of test they performed; and the fact that the IBA outright lied about which lab performed this supposed test. Meanwhile, the French lab said that there's "issues" with chromosomes and testosterone, but that overall Khelif is a woman and should compete in the women's category.
@@trinkets7777 Once again, the IBA only accused her of being a man once she defeated the protege of the president of the IBA. The IBA was disbarred for corruption and has many issues outside of this one. The gender test likely doesn’t exist at all. You need to recognize that you are falling for propaganda. Additionally, Angela Carini has a very long history of throwing fights. This is not the first time she’s flung herself to the floor
I’m a butch lesbian with PCOS and I’ve never once been threatened by a trans woman. I have however been threatened by people who’ve perceived me as a trans woman on numerous occasions. Fighting against transmisogyny IS a fight against misogyny, and protecting trans women ultimately protects all women
I'm so sorry you experienced that :( I hate when straight women pretend like the reason they hate trans women is to protect lesbians. It's made me feel scared about going to lesbian events unless they explicitly say that trans women are welcome, which sucks cause I feel like queer cis women are on average way more accepting than straight cis women, they've just propagated the idea that cis lesbians and trans women are like mortal enemies or whatever
I'm not a butch lesbian and I HAVE been threatened by a trans woman. Maybe that's the difference. Trans women don't seem to fight against men or even women that look stronger than they are. Just us weaker ones.
I'm also gay and have PCOS and it causes me to feel insecure about my body because I don't feel feminine enough, I would probably be gender policed if I didn't have a feminine face and wear a lot of makeup, it sucks not feeling happy in your own body despite being cisgender
As an arabic woman from the middle east, I grew up surrounded by people who look like Iman. So it was genuinely so weird to me that there was a controversy about her "looking like a guy" because lots of MENA Iadies look like her. YT peopIe really think the world revolves around them and their features. Iman is beautiful and most beautiful and feminine about her are her gorgeous north african features
The artist Sevdaliza (Iranian Dutch i believe) comes to mind. Not only is she beautiful but her music is great as well. I highly recommend her to whomever is reading this and doesn't know she exists.
I am indian but also grew up surrounded by people who looked like Iman so I get how you feel, it was so weird. I hope she wins the lawsuits she's filing 🙏
What do white people have to do with it? Please Check Out how people in the middle east or Asia speak about trans people. For goes Sake, racism goes both ways
The funniest part is that when Rowling learned she was getting sued, she went silent and deleted like 27 tweets only to post another one attacking the person suing her for slander.
One of the reasons why Lin Yu-ting chose boxing was because of domestic violence in her childhood, she wanted to protect her mother. Her family was poor, after her father left home, her mother raised four children alone. When she won her first prize money, what she most hoped for was ‘ Give it to mom! ’ billionaires will never know this heavenly joy ( but Rowling, a single mother who has been poor, might know? )
I'm a trans man. Growing up, I was constantly policed over my lack of femininity, how I didn't dress like a woman, how I didn't behave like a woman. I had long hair most of my life but once I got a pixie cut, I was also chastised for not looking like a woman (and yes, I am not white). A constant denial of my girlhood because I was not performing it right. But curiously, now that I am out as a trans man, now that I am testosterone dominant--which according to people like JK Rowling disqualifies women like Imane from being a woman, regardless of what's in her pants or what her chromosomes are--people like her are bending backwards to call me a woman. Suddenly "having high testosterone doesn't mean I'm not a woman", yet that doesn't apply to Imane. They can't even operate by their own logic, they can only work on whatever is the most transphobic thing to say, even if it contradicts what they stated before.
I'm learning how much people like to police femininity. Before I transitioned, my dad never complained about what I wore. But now, he complains that my dresses are too short, and that I wear the same dresses over and over again.
Well, that's because these rules about who does or doesn't get to be a man or a woman are, of course, nonsense. It's just a bunch of made-up rules to justify patriarchy and cisnormativity.
I'm an intersex woman (Turner's Syndrome) and I remember this happening to an intersex athlete when I was a kid and just starting to take HRT People called her a man/hermaphrodite and called for her to get T tests It made teenage me, already self conscious about taking estrogen, feel so bad about myself
How are trans women simultaneously reducing womanhood to a costume of hyperfemininity and then turn around say Khalif is a man because she doesn't put on a costume of hyperfemininity. I am confusion, Joanne!
And you just know that Joey would throw a sprocket if she found out that trans tomboys and butch trans women exist. I've changed very little about my gender expression throughout my transition, essentially going from a femme-of-center man to a masc-of-center woman without really changing how I dress in any major way. When did my normal clothes become a costume?
@@trinkets7777 It's telling that you need to twist up statements from a guy who literally said "She is a woman" to push the narrative that "this is a man".
@@Shampyon If he says he's a man, he can't compete against women, so he's trying to uphold the narrative. He's out of a job if he doesn't. Duh. I guess you missed the part where they said he'd changed chromosomes from living in the mountains. lol They know he's male XY.
I have nothing to say about it: we called it early on, we tried to warn people, that "protect cis women" transphobes will end up harming cis women, who happened to be deemed "undesirable" according to w. supremacy standards. It's still heartbreaking to watch it unfold. 💔💔💔
The thing the phobes always forget is how few trans folk there are. We make up 0.5-2% of the population. If you target even 10% of women as potentially trans you'll end up targetting 5-20 times as many _cis_ women as trans women. Never mind the fact most binary trans folk work pretty hard to meet typical gender expression stereotypes and are far less likely to be clocked as gender non-conforming.
No wonder the worldbuilding in the HP books was so slapdash: Joanne doesn't understand the basic basics of how this world works, so of course any world she constructed would be on the level of children pretending to go to work at the business factory.
And also how tf is that "cheating"? If having a naturally slightly high testosterone level is cheating, is being taller than average cheating in basketball?
@@RoguSpanish Women don't EVER have natural T readings in the male spectrum. They don't cross over. This person is male and tested male in two labs. Even his coach acknowledged it.
When I was a little girl, I was a huge boxing fan. I used to tell people I wanted to be the first female heavyweight champion. I was laughed at and teased mercilessly (this was the 70s). I applaud the courage of these women to live their dream despite the hardship and backlash.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be an astronaut (we were working on going to the moon) and also take shop instead of home ec (I already knew how to cook and sew so home ec was boring) and crappy old men told me that I couldn't do that because I was a girl and that I really wanted to be a boy, had penis envy, and even that I *was* a boy. I think about this every time some moron like Megan Kelly says if they were a kid today, they would be pushed to transition because they were a tomboy. No, Megan, people were saying that crap before you were even born.
It's WILD how people jumped strait to "extra strong women must be trans" when steroids are still a thing that exist. Not that Imane is definitely doing steroids, I'm just saying there was a time where that would have been the assumption.
I'm very much afab out-and-out female woman and I've been mistake for a man more times than I care to admit. I'm also very much visibly African Blackety Black. It's not lost on me that these women are being accused of being stealth men in disguised. I don't know how you can look at Khalif and think "that's a man!" It makes me mad and I don't even like sports, but I hope she and Liu win all the fights.
Like, how often have people seen Serena Williams be called a "man" since she came on the scene as a teenager. And this isn't some recent phenomenon. Back in the day, Sorjouner Truth was accused of being a man by some random white man who happened to be in the crowd during one of her speeches. She was a 6 foot tall mountain of a woman, who spoke Dutch with a commanding voice.
Yep. It's why "transvastigators" love to accuse women of color. The amount of times I've seen Michelle Obama, a pretty traditionally feminine woman, called Michael is kind of astounding.
Kinda arbitrary, but: Simply having the muscle mass and fat distribution **that an athlete has** can and frequently does cause elevated testosterone. If the qualifying tests by the IAB somehow weren't faked for Russia's benefit and she does in fact have elevated testosterone, she may have elevated testosterone **because she is an athlete.**
Yeah, but the elevated testosterone wouldn't be up to cis male levels. That would only happen if she was doping or on TRT. I would *love* to see what these "gender tests" actually entail.
@@Callimo When tested, the testosterone levels for elite male athletes is a complete overlap for the testosterone levels of elite female athletes. Meaning that, out of the hundreds of athletes, the person with the lowest testosterone was a cis man.
100% agree! I find it really bizarre that some people use elevated testosterone as though testosterone means "man" and "oestrogen" means woman. *Picard face palm* I've also seen loads of mentions of these "tests" the IBA conducted as though anyone knows what they were, which we don't but hearsay and conjecture is passed off onto the next badly researched article and the misogyny, transphobia and racism spreads. Let's stop spreading this misinformation, please? The IBA did not even say they tested for testosterone levels or "chromosomes" at all. They didn't specify what the tests were, nor did they provide any documentary evidence to back up their decision to disqualify Olympic Gold medal winner Imane Khalif or Olympic Gold medal winner Lin Yu Ting. They both competed in IBA matches previously with no issues, but suddenly a Russian boxer's winning record streak is threatened and: Surprise! Transphobia!
There's a reason the Olympics stopped gender testing in 1999, way more people (it was almost exclusively women being subjected to DNA testing) were finding out that their chromosomes don't match what we learned in high school, cause surprise surprise our bodies development is way more complicated.
I used to work with a geneticist. She and I spent a really interesting couple of hours one day discussing all of the genetic research into gender and the complexity of it. The fact that the conversation took a couple of HOURS and we only just scratched the surface of it tells you a lot about the complexity of the issue.
@@peterschaeffer you belong in the mental asylum for the mental gymnastics you are doing and otherwise in prison for the false information you're spreading. Stop trying to influence children, groomer
@@peterschaeffer Semenya’s case is kinda complicated, but it’s much more accurate to call her intersex than a man. Yes, 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency can only occur in someone with XY chromosomes. However, it’s called an intersex condition for a reason. The sex organs are not fully virilized. Semenya also has a vagina alongside those other sex organs. Just calling her a man is _way_ oversimplifying it.
JK posted this quote on Twitter with a beautiful photo of Imane Khelif two days ago, "It’s important to highlight that launching a PR campaign and applying layers of thick makeup requires far more time and effort than simply making DNA test results public." @SwipeWright So disgusting. I hope they can get this to stick and enforce any kind of consequence.
At what point do we start calling her a femcel, because that's definitely very assmad-I-can't-get-a-guy type of sour grapes behavior she's having out in public.
So not only does Joey have no idea what women look like, she has no idea what makeup looks like. When is the last time she left her bedroom and interacted with another human being in the real world?
as if she doesn't wear makeup herself... plus, if you look at old photos of her, you'll notice that her face looks VERY different in a way that can't be explained by simply aging
Joanne hurt the "biological women" she said she was trying to protect. Imane actually actually lost in the olympics before but no one said a thing. Like, they ruined a woman's life because she didn't look enough like a woman
And because she was good. They didn't say anything before because she wasn't winning as much. But apparently, no real woman could be as good of a boxer as she is so she must be a man! It's so sexist.
More specifically, she didn’t look enough like a white Western European woman. It’s not lost on me how often the women they bully and harass are women of color whose features are masculine by European beauty standards.
JK Rowling is engaging in so many forms of prejudice that it’s exhausting peeling back the layers. Like many other white women, she feels she has the monopoly on womanhood, and so thinks it’s her place to invalidate other women. One of Imane's competitors (Anna Luca) posted a derogatory Al image of Imane as a beast standing oppositite a petite blonde. I laughed at this because Anna really doesn’t look very different to Imane. She’s a muscular woman, only she’s white/blonde. I guess that’s the important distinction here.
@@peterschaeffer So the only journliast on the planet to see these tests is some rando whose only endorsement comes in the form of a quote from a fictional crime novel. I've seen people make your other mistakes and push your other bad-faith and outright false narratives before, but that little piece of ridiculousness was new to me. The idea that these tests prove the IBA right, so they released them solely to some obscure rando, and not literally any of the major news organisations - not even the ones that bought their story hook, line, and sinker. Not RT, not Fox, not OANN. The only journalist on the planet who can be trusted to view the tests is a guy whose only endorsement comes from a ghost-written James Patterson novel. And that doesn't even give you a moment's pause, does it? That absolutely bizzarre decision doesn't even put the slightest dint in your certainty.
There's also a misogyny in seeing women excel at a sport and immediately call them men. You don't actually "support" women athletes because you actually think women aren't capable of that level of athleticism.
"it's not about protecting women, it's about controlling women": these are words about actions I have been severely affected by whilst growing up and during my adulthood and it was good to hear it being said, thank you @KatBlaque
@@El_likes_to_stim It’s always control masquerading as concern, isn’t it? So much of misogyny is infantilizing grown women. Always in need of a protector and a guide.
The goal posts of misogyny will always shift as they get closer to achieving the control they want. Look at reproductive care. It was late term abortions, then second trimester, then a few weeks, then mifepristone, then contraceptive pills, then IVF... Eventually it's mask off and you realize what they've been saying all along. You don't get bodily autonomy. You don't get to make decisions. I get to decide what you can do and determine if you have value. And they get very angry when women reject their attempts to exert that control.
nah we need these people outing themselves in their desperation to stay relevant. It's a great time to be an anti-capitalist, this is way easier than trying to explaining economics to people who haven't used algebra in 20 years.
@@verszka1678 is 1678 your d.o.b.? I know the vindication of the rights of women was published when you were like 115 and you might not wanna reread old stuff, but I think you misunderstood some points. Also, a lot of newer reading came out in your 4th century, it's worth checking out!
@@verszka1678 she’s not speaking for women’s rights if she’s discriminating against trans women and trans men (and trans people in general tbh) for just existing. And this is coming from a non binary person who’s fed up with people agreeing with her transphobic views and bs.
18:47 In Oslo, Norway, a woman was beaten up because someone thought she was a trans woman because she had lots of hair on het legs. 😡 If this woman is cis *or* trans, _she needs to be able to choose herself if she wants to shave her legs or not_ 🏳️⚧️
Of course. Any woman that doesn't shave body hair is ugly to them. Unnatural. I enjoyed smooth legs, but its no longer worth the bother as a post menopausal woman.
That's why we have so many paedos. We've got a generation of men who are grossed out by normal features of adult female bodies like pubic hair, visible labia minora, and even the pigmentation of genitalia. Google "bubblegum pink meaning". It's both disgusting and alarming.
I quit shaving because I don't care to. I definitely notice judgement from others, but I have thus far been safe and unharmed. The fact that phobe nonsense is an excuse for people to harm women who don't conform to typical gender roles is exactly why TERF shit is not feminist at all. Also, trans folk I know on the femme side would rather duct tape their leg hair off than go out looking fuzzy because they're TRYING to pass in this stupid binary world. So it's extra dumb to see someone with leg hair and think they're secretly trans. Like yeah, they could be, but they could also just not want razor burn.
Men will never be tired to mock women celebrating body hair like we're ridiculous for normalising body hair on women bc men love to pretend women aren't harassed for it meanwhile men are the main aggressors enacting said harassment and the dudes saying that shit most definitely have something against women with body hair. Now added with transphobia we've cis women also beat up additionally for that stigma. A man will never be harassed for having body hair
how far from reality are those people. It's still crazy that there are people that don't even know that women have hair. What do those people think lady shaves are for??
My favorite part of all of this is people who are SO FOCUSED ON WOMEN SPORTS thinking women don't need groin protection. Like pointing to groin protection for women and saying "look, she has a penis". Like dude, NOBODY wants to get punched there. The oposite of penis is a vagina, not a shield! Groin protection exists for everyone.
This reminds me of the guys who think for some reason it wouldn't hurt to get kicked in the crotch as an afab person. Sure it dosen't hurt as much as getting kicked in the balls, but they are still sensitive bits! like it would hurt if someone kicked you in the shin, why wouldn't it hurt to get kicked in the genitals 💀 the most sensitive part of the female genitalia is on the outside ffs!
It's SO so sad. Transphobes predictably getting caught up in their own web of nonsense and everyone else - especially the victims - have to suffer for it. Iman Kheliff, Lin Yu Ting, and every other athlete who was victim to this disgusting brigade, I hope you continue to get your retribution!
It broke my heart when I read about how Imane Khalif had to struggle since she was a kid because she wanted to box when that was a boy sport, and then she wins the fucking olympics and some random insane people who's opinions about this should not matter ruin what should be such a wonderful time for her
And hormone blockers! That's... kinda the point of hormones lmao. You can't tell anything that way if they've been on e and blockers for any significant amount of time.
Transphobes assume the difference between bio-men and bio-women is so great as to be insurmountable. You could show them data about the hormone levels of trans and cis women, but they've made a habit of dismissing any science that disagrees with their middle-school understanding of human biology.
The most ironic and hypocritical bit of this is that they use the hashtag "I Stand With Angela Carini", when Carini herself has made clear she holds no grudge against Khelif and hates the harassment she's getting. Extra bit about the IBA "testing": both of the labs the IBA cited for doing this "test" do not do gender eligibility tests and have confirmed that they never tested the two women.
Fake. In addition, a french hospital Hopital Bicêtre du Val-de-Marne, confirmed that Khelif had an XY karyotype et produced a lot of testostérone. He is a mâle
@@lilithtrump2359 Really? Explain then, why I can find zero evidence that she was tested or even admitted to this hospital. And if said hospital chose to publicize her chromosomes, they would be sued into oblivion.
@@lilithtrump2359 oui, et puis la délégation locale du comité olympique de Montcuq a fait des radios de Khelif et ils ont trouvé non pas un mais deux pénis sous son calbar. Cela confirme que Khelif est en fait un sur-homme à la Nieztsche.
@@lilithtrump2359 That's so not true that even politicians are tuning it down to "masculine woman" when they are trying to excuse why their athletes were payed IBA money for doing worse on a match than a random grandma would
They are demonitising more words everyday! Now the words domestic violence are gone and tons of channels are putting filters for hundreds of words to immediately delete comments that use them! I was on a very progressive political channel the other day and I was discussing homophobia in the comments with another TH-camr and every second comment was being immediately deleted? We were surprised and annoyed because we were just discussing a homophobic person we both dislike but we kept using "banned words" apparently? Some were just ridiculous like the words "twink" and "boner" were banned? 🤷 It was stupid and we suggested they publish the list of words in the bio to save people time and effort but sadly I think most big channels will go the same route and commenting will become far less common? 🙄
When I was growing up, with an extreme gender-essentialist ideology pressed on me, I literally couldn’t determine any difference beyond reproductive roles, so all the trappings accompanying that were nonsense to me.
It's wild because transphobes will say "sex is real" which is the exact ideology of misogynists. Women are weaker, eternal victims, and need to be protected.
Agree very much so. I always think to myself that too many people are under the impression that humans have much more sexual dimorphism as a species than we truly have. If people insist on being scientific, we are considered a species with low sexual dimorphism (distinct physical characteristics that differ between sexes, including ones unrelated to genitalia and things of that nature) compared to many other species of animal. As well that traits some may consider a part of that, only apply sometimes and not all of the time, such as height. On average afab humans are shorter than amab humans, but there are still plenty of afab humans that are taller. This becomes even more apparent cross referencing between races and countries, where many dutch cis women will be taller than the average japanese cis man. What we consider to be markers of a certain sex (that aren't genitalia/reproductive organs and even that can get hairy of course) is pretty flimsy.
Dude this whole situation is so stupid because, Imane is a literal boxer.. who participates int he sport of boxing... OF COURSE SHES GONNA HAVE AN ATHLETIC BUILD? Plus her opponent was a literal wimp, like dude wydm "I have never been hit this hard" its literal boxing your gonna get hit 😭
Yeah I was thinking to myself, have these people just not seen cis women athletes before? Especially not at the top of their field? Of course they have more muscle and less fat than the average cis woman... They train like 8+ hours a day and eat special diets, not to mention choosing their career partly based on having a specific body type to begin with
well thats the thing, people think that women are biologically incapable of bulking. although it’s a social issue that women are told not to bulk up, even if they are an athlete. they get told “you’ll look like a man, you’ll never attract a man looking like a man.” People think that women have no testosterone and men have no estrogen. sexists think that humans have HIGH sexual dimorphism when we have low. Society has cultivated this for a very long time.
And if Khelif deserves to be the gold medal boxer, then she probably DOES hit harder than other people she's competed against. This is how being the best in the world actually works!
@@Nassifeh Yes and has worked very hard to get there. I love that the women who beat her at the previous Olympics and world championships spoke out defending her. I heard that Imane put on enough muscle that she ended up going up a weight class, even with that she is taller than most people for her weight class, that means that she has a longer arm reach that gives her an advantage. Next they are going to say that boxing classes should be done on height instead of weight so that people don't have an advantage of arm reach.
The fact that J.K. Rowling came after these women while simultaneously kept absolutely quiet about the child rapist competing, tells me all I need to know about her and her motives. Her transphobia is way bigger than any concern she has for women.
@@SPierre-dm4wo oh yuck! Nabokov never meant it to be a love story. He used the Unreliable Narrator to show Humbert as a selfish, delusional, weak predator who pretended his victim was to blame for his desires. Anyone who found that romantic will have other issues. Rowling's fiction was frequently unkind to women and girl characters. Still, every kid I knew who was a Potter fan believed the books meant "be your authentic self even if people bully you for it". When JKR clarified that some bigotry and bullying was cool, they all rejected her new message.
That's the most disgusting, bare part of it for me. Of all the Olympians she can throw rich lady trash at for being men, hurting women... doesn't even go after van velde. Doesn't even try. Scummy.
@@margaretwordnerd5210 I also read Nabokov was pissed when the publishers would add women in suggestive poses on the cover because it sold the book as something it was not. But they kept doing it and it got even worse after film adaptations.....society just sucks sometimes.
I kind of hate the makeup brand deal for Imane actually. good on her for getting brand money and all, but I hate how she has to get all dolled up and hyperfeminine just to be seen as a person.
Agreed. It kind of made me sad to see it, even if she looks great. My impression of her is that she is kind of what we'd call "butch" here in the US, which isn't surprising for a female boxer. But hey, I don't really know her. Maybe she likes getting dolled up. I just hope it's not appeasement or a survival tactic.
The problem is there's not enough conversation about intersectionality when it comes to the left. We always try to separate sexuality and gender when it comes to misogyny but never put two and two together that they tend to overlap. Homophobia and transphobia are byproducts of the patriarchy and is mostly influenced by misogyny. A lot of cis women seem to think it's a separate issue because they're taught that men alone are the problem not understanding that all of us play a part in upholding the patriarchy because we're all exposed to certain aspects of it since birth. The only way to undo that is to remove the barriers of gender norms which means allowing anyone regardless of their assigned sex to express themselves how they see fit. Fighting against that is fighting for regressive gender roles which upholds the patriarchy.
@@URFTBOUND4LIFE that's where TERFs totally baffle me. Being a trans woman is being born the standard and choosing to reject that. There is nothing more radically feminist to me than that
@@URFTBOUND4LIFE 💯 This is the best outcome at some point in the future and I hope I am not too old to see a world like that. It is a lot of work, but I am willing to do my part.
This whole discourse was soooooo stupid to witness. Glad the boxer is suing them. JK Rowling lost the plot a long time ago, but hyper policing the appearance of women is a fun new low. And I just want to say... I'm a tall woman, and I don't complain that the shorter gymnasts are "stealing medals" from the tall ones lol, it's just physics. The Olympics are the best of the best, and most of these people DO have genetic advantages over other players, be it longer legs, body composition, whatever. If a cisgender woman has elevated testosterone because of her genetics, how is that really so different?
It's insane, right? I always though Joanne was adamant that being a woman meant being born female, which Imane was. But now to her apparently it means ... big testosterone?
She isn’t suing, because she can’t to sue them for defamation she would have to take the test and prove her XX chromosome to make this a case, she won’t take it probably because she does have XY! And these muppets saying that makes her a biological man are stupid but it’s not a case she will win. As soon as she’s asked to prove her case she will drop it like she did with her appeal on the XY result!
@@paddy1144- That's stupid, because some cis women have higher T levels than men. EDIT and even if she does have XY chromosomes, she was still born female and has female parts, and that's what these weirdoes have reduced women to.
Honestly, it's been fun to see the conservatives in my country (Algeria) go from praising JK Rowling to hating her. It's giving them a lesson on trusting the leopards to not eat your face. :P And it's given the queer community some more leverage in getting our message across in our society.
Actual transphobia¹) and misogyny are indeed first cousins because both are subss of bigotry and both linked to sex/ gender. __________ ¹) meaning hateed towards people because they're trans, not ▪︎approving of passing, especially in transwomen where it's not difficult, ▪︎having general preferences which mostly is smeared as transphobic when it comes to lesbians, ▪︎not ignoring biological differences, ▪︎not taking a mere self-identification at face value and not accepting "a human that identifies as a woman" as a definition for 'woman' or ▪︎not wanting children permanently altered before they even can consent to sexual relationship.
@@jensphiliphohmann1876 Stop moving the goalposts so you don't have to call yourself a bigot. Also, I don't believe you've ever seen a trans woman in your life. Example: I didn't know this video was made by a trans woman until she mentioned she was trans. There's nothing wrong with that, but my point is it's most definitely not easy to tell, and you shouldn't be trying to anyway. Some cis men have feminine features and some cis women have masculine features. Do you assume they're trans or do you let them mind their own damn business? (like you should)
a lot of people use progressive language as an acceptable way to bully others and this discourse is a prime example of that. no amount of words about "protecting women" will justify what imane khelif and hundreds of other woc have been through
it reminds me of the wave of guys presenting themselves as "allies" and "progressive" so they can get laid while being shitheads irl. It's a bastardisation of what these movement actually mean in order to remain socially acceptable without changing their fucked up behaviour
I remember when "trigger" first entered online discourse as a way to navigate abuse stories. The bigots were angered and used it to mock and abuse people. Its horrible how commonplace the casual abuse is now.
It's disgusting how they believe in "protecting women" only if you're the "right" kind of woman. And what determines who is the "right" kind of woman changes depending on circumstances. It's such a hostile approach to treating people. The facade of "protecting women" when they're not actually doing that, ultimately and inevitably, is harmful to all women.
@@vivienneb6199 So, you admit that being assigned and socialized as female is completely irrelevant to womanhood? Do you demand that everyone you interact with show you their medical results so you know whether or not to discriminate against them?
so what she is saying now is that being born as a girl, having all of one's life experiences be that of a woman isn't enough? I thought Joanne's issue was that trans women did not grow up with authentic female experience. So now it's chromosomes? where will the goal posts move next?
The latest "gotcha" by the far right is "How do you define women". Its designed to hurt people. They love sticking everyone in boxes. Do you cry when emotional? Not a man. Can you not bear children? Not a woman. All unscientific bullshit.
well swimmers are ALWAYS accused bc they work out in a way that results in big shoulders and muscular arms.. and then when you put on a swimcap and have pictures taken when theyve just swam a tough race...!
@@cacarlin70 I mean more women of color have been accused at this years Olympics than white women. But yes, transphobes want to take away womanhood from anyone who doesn’t meet their Eurocentric beauty standards.
This is exactly the Rowling discourse I need to see more of now. She truly just hates women, not just trans women. She pretends to be a girl’s girl but truly never has been. Caroline Easom recently did a video on the top 28 female characters (of the top 100 characters overall) from Harry Potter and it highlighted really well how their characterizations fully reveals how Rowling thinks of women.
I honestly didn’t think that video was very good. Like, one of her points was that Madame Pomfrey is just a nurse with no other traits (which is not true, she’s also kind of strict and grumpy), and I think it’s ridiculous to criticise an author for not giving every character a cool feminist or subversive backstory. Especially when every male author in or outside the fantasy sphere does exactly the same things people are criticising about her. Why is no one talking about LotR having maximally 5 female characters, all except one doing literally nothing? Or the obvious racism? 10 years ago, the same people were doing lectures about why HP is so great and JKR was the best author ever. And the books didn’t change. JKR and the community‘s opinion of her did. I think the main point of criticism shouldn’t be her books, which are honestly not worse than the majority of fantasy fiction, and people should criticise her instead for her behaviour and public utterances, her right-wing friends and all the other stuff.
@@URFTBOUND4LIFE It wasn't that far of a fall. She was obviously a center-right neolib from the very conception of Harry Potter, it just highlights the susceptibility of the economically-conservative to bigotry and fascism. And possibly the corroding influence of social media and celebrity, that shit's not good for your brain and sense of self.
Caroline needs an award for that video - she explained all the problems perfectly. I knew JK was bad but I didn't realise how bad her portrayal of women was!
I started reading more on Dutch laws because of Van Velde and learned that rape was only rape if it was forced (ignoring age, coercion, etc.), hence the lesser sentence in the Netherlands. This was changed legally on July 1st OF THIS YEAR (2024)! Crazy... This explains why he only served 13 months of the sentenced 4 years in the Netherlands
i've seen people say "he's served his sentence! he's been punished! he deserves another chance to live a normal life now!". paraphrasing, of course, but no, once you do that, you should be shunned for life
@@BaofuTheCanonicalPersonaHater The problem with jail is that it does nothing to compensate victims, just puts the offender in timeout for X amount of time. When you use it as the solution to everything, people start to believe that "justice" is just about punishing offenders and forget about the victims. I'm not surprised that people think it's over because he "did the time," even though going to jail doesn't require him to fix any of the evil that he put out into the world.
@Kittsuki exactly, none of these people seemed to give one thought to the victim and her trauma. some even claimed (and this is really gross) that there was consent... when she was 12. in many people's minds, he never deserved his prison sentence to begin with. what a sad world
Khelif was AT the 2020 Olympics and competed but lost hard. So she trained her butt off for 4 solid years and came back for gold. This should be an Olympic triumph for the world, but here we are. Thank goodness we have this mediocre children's fantasy author to define womanhood for the rest of us.
A lot of it is racism too. I‘ve learned a lot about the intersection of misogyny and racism due to this “controversy”. If you are a woman, you are often viewed as a commodity to men. But if you are specifically a white woman, you are a valuable and useful commodity to white patriarchy because of your ability to birth white babies. A lot of what it is to be “a woman” or “feminine” in a traditional sense in Western culture stems from one’s ability to give a white man (and society) white babies. Our beauty standards center white features because of sexual selection; a woman is more beautiful for her assumed ability to produce babies with the same white features. So when a woman is not white, she accesses womanhood/femininity by emulating white features through makeup, hairstyles, speech, clothing, and/or behaviors. But because this womanhood is an emulation, it can be revoked. A black woman could win Ms. America and she still wouldn’t have the irrevocable claim to womanhood that an average white woman has. So when a white woman is an athlete, she’s just good at a sport. You go girl! But when a black woman is an athlete, she’s breaking her façade of white femininity, and forfeits her claim to womanhood. And because our culture’s understanding of sex and gender is binary, a not-woman is a man. So suddenly, this is a white woman fighting a black man. I also think that this is why a lot of black track and field athletes were all glammed-up this year. They don’t want to be Caster Semenya-ed
Could also be that there's big stigma on black female expression as well. Oh that's ghetto, it's hood, it's trashy. Well, they're at the olympics and everyone can suck it.
@Finbarr-x4i She literally denied the Hollow Cause, specifically denying the well documented destruction of the Institut fur Sexualwissenschaft and persecution of homosexuals and gender nonconforming people under Paragraph 175 of the German Penal Code by the Naxos (certain terms changed to keep TH-cam happy, though I'm sure even a Rowlingite will be able to connect the dots.)
I didn’t really care for the Olympics until all this backlash that Imane was facing for looking “too manly” therefore she “is a biological male”. I always struggled with that because transphobes will target any woman that doesn’t fit their beauty standards. One time in elementary two boys were making fun of me saying “you’re a man!” While giggling and I just say “how? I don’t look like you?” And then kept saying “you’re wearing a wig! You’re a boy!” And I just rip out strands of my hair and show them that I’m clearly not wearing a wig and they just kept going and going. It was so confusing as a kid and it was my first time seeing how much beauty standards can affect our perceptions of what is considered a woman or a man. Like, I’m sorry Timmy and Timothy that I happened to be “more” masculine looking than you two with dark peach fuzz on my face while both of you clearly want to look more masculine but are insecure with those baby faces you both had at the time. I was even told to my face by another girl once in middle school that she thought I was trans because “you have really thick eyebrows for a girl”. I guess that means my Hispanic features just “don’t make me a girl” simply because I have much darker hair that people can see my unibrow and visible mustache hair. Not only was it shocking that it was a girl who told me this but more of my classmates started to agree and I realized that European beauty standards really affect others and people just want to make you feel insecure because they aren’t happy with themselves for whatever reason. It’s honestly so dumb when transphobes try to show “proof” that someone is trans because they really can’t believe the concept of a woman not looking the same way they picture in that close minded head of theirs.
Any small thing is an excuse to mock. I'm mostly northern European but part mediterranean European. I am a white woman with thick eyebrows, like Brooke Shields, even a tuft in the middle. Older women were always telling me to pluck my eyebrows "for beauty". I like that my eyebrows fall under the traditional signs for werewolves. I think they are interesting looking. I'm old now, and glad to be out of the ratrace of prettiness! 🎉
I’m mixed and my white cousins used to make fun of me because I had visible back and neck hair as a kid, it’s hard to realize you’ll never be considered physically acceptable in the country you live in
"Just keep in mind that the ultimate result of her ideology is that even women who were designated female at birth can't sufficiently live up to womanhood" really liked this line and the way it was worded
further important info on the IBA's testing: they claimed to have worked with labs belonging to the World Anti-Doping Agency for their tests, the WADA had to come out and say they did NOT work with the IBA as they were specifically seeking "gender confirmation", nothing to actually do with doping which is the only thing they cover. so not only do we not know the results of this test, we don't even know where it was done or who it was by because they lied about it in the first place. people are trying to backtrack and say it's just out of concern over performance enhancement, when all of the statements from the IBA are about finding "male DNA" (which is a nothing statement lol), and when the literal "Performance Enhancement is Bad" committee said "no you didn't ❤"
Additionally, the IOC did comment on the "tests." IOC rep Mark Adams - "Those tests are not legitimate tests. The tests themselves, the process of the tests, the ad hoc nature of the tests are not legitimate. The testing, the method of the testing, the idea of the testing which happened kind of overnight. None of it is legitimate and this does not deserve any response." Basically it sounds like the IBA gave the IOC a handwritten note that said, "Trust me bro."
Also very suss that the statement that the IBA put out said that it wasn't because of testosterone, they did a different test but didn't say what it was.
I worked on an educational project for WADA ages ago and as a client they were extremely professional, knowledgeable, and prepared. Seriously one of the best clients I ever worked for. I was glad to see they aren't engaged in transvestigating.
@@SpoopySquid seeing some people in the comments recently go "french test this french test that" seeing the "canadian girlfriend" joke down here took me out for a second
I just don't appreciate that at no point in ANY of the media coverage has ANYBODY said "and she shouldn't get that kind of harassment even if she WERE trans" : the unfortunate truth is that we're still a good decade out from the point where a trans gold medalist athlete will be simply controversial, and not vehemently hated.
As a trans woman I am consistently impressed by just how normalised my very existence being vilified and dehumanised has become. In one way I've become used to it, but then I remind myself that it's a really messed up thing to just have to leave be and I probably should be more angry at the way I'm treated. When that inevitable apology arrives in 20 years or so with the usual "we just didn't know any better" and "It was a different time" that always accompanies this kind of thing I'm going to have to be in an extremely forgiving mood to accept it.
@@peterschaeffer Nobody had a suspicion of Imane Khelif being in the wrong gender category until she defeated a previously undefeated Russian boxer. What a lucky coincidence that the Russian led IBA choose to question Imane Khelif's gender in that moment and not previously despite her being the same person all along.
@@peterschaeffer 1. Chromosomes don't determine gender. 2. What the fuck is his trainer doing having access to her medical information and telling other people about it? I don't believe he is telling the truth. 3. The IBA talks about gender and gender tests in their rule book. Just read the point 4.2 called "elegibility on gender" and stop embarrassing yourself making dumb corrections.
@@peterschaeffer 1. Chromosomes don't determine gender. 2. What the fuck is his trainer doing having access to her medical information and telling other people about it? I don't believe he is telling the truth. 3. The IBA talks about gender and gender tests in their rule book. Just read the point 4.2 called "elegibility on gender" and stop embarrassing yourself making dumb corrections.
Hey, just a brief note/correction; Lin is the family name/surname, Yu Ting is her given/forename. The whole "controversy" over these women competing left me at a complete loss, and generally exposed how little these very vocal "protectors of women" actually know what they stick their noses into.
I don't know if this BS pisses me off more as a trans person or as a medical scientist. Especially when it comes to something as nebulous as hormone levels. There are general ranges for healthy levels, but there are always exceptions. And they're not always the result of a disorder. Sometimes a cis woman will have high testosterone levels because she just has atypical biochemistry and higher testosterone keeps her body in homeostasis. And that is the word. Atypical. Not bad, not wrong, not even weird. Just not what you usually come across.
i hope imane manages to make joanne literally pay for her garbage behavior. she will use the money for something better, since it will be something other than promoting misogyny.
@@CorinaTamez-Hibbardwho? Micheal phelps? Or should i say michelle phelps. Men are biologically disadvantaged at holding their breaths so Michelle phelps is obviously a woman
Even though this whole story is infuriating, I'm kinda happy more people are seeing that jkr is slowly going insane. Because even my 70-year old dad was like 'what's happening here these people are crazy'.
My parents and their friends are all Boomer leftists and liberals who are not online, and I gotta say it's validating to tell them about JKR's transphobic meltdowns and have them all react with something like "what the hell is wrong with her?" Or when John Waters did that interview where he said "she needs to take some Preparation H for that transphobia!"
I hope my family sees it cause both my sister and cousin only look at JK's side of the story. Never the trans' side. Maybe now, that is afab women getting targeted, they might actually see how harmful it is to try to force these ideas of masculinity and feminity.
@@innocentnemesis3519I agree, so know that this is a small correction: Radical politics refers to things trying to change systems from the bottom, up. The term for getting pushed into the far right is "extremism". Extreme means taking current systems to their extremes, not radically changing them Like the square root of a number is called its "radical", bc it goes to the root, radical politics either change the system from its roots (practice) or criticize its roots (theory). While extremist practices weaponize the system and only criticize the parts of it that prevent them from further weaponizing it. Sadly, fighting for trans rights at this point in history, is radical. So it's important to keep the distinction i know what you meant though! no worries
Speaking of people of color... Jk was really out here normalizing antisemitic tropes and slavery apologia in hp books. If I weren't a kid reading her books I would have picked up on the gringotts goblins.
I remember really enjoying the first few books as a kid because of the fun escapist magical world, but slowly picking up on the constant mean-spirited stereotypes and starting to get uncomfortable, though I couldn't quite explain why. By the time I reached my teens and the books introduced a 'slave race' of elves who just looove being enslaved and will apparently collapse and become depressed alcoholics if they're freed, and are just desperate to become enslaved again... and the main character inherits one of these slaves, treats him terribly, continues to use him as a slave even though he clearly hates his position... and this is all shown as normal and ok, and in fact the slave character is presented as 'bad' for being 'rude' to his 'master'... I knew something was wrong and put the books down. Now that JKR has come out with her wild political views of course we're all looking back on the books and so many other problematic things stand out. The antisemitism is striking, and the sheer intensity of her disgust towards fat people, and towards any woman who's either 'too feminine' or 'not feminine enough' drips off the pages. Specifically the women/girls who are treated as the 'correct' type by the narrative and given major arcs with dignity and success are all skinny white girls who may start off awkward but grow into acceptable, pretty, popular versions of themselves, find male partners, have children, present themselves as sufficiently feminine in an acceptable way, but are never loud or ostentatious in their femininity, and they never take too much glory, credit or focus away from the male protagonists. The only female main character (Tonks) who is presented as somewhat androgynous to begin with, is then shown to be 'tamed' by entering a heterosexual relationship, wherein she changes her short colourful hair to a long, feminine style with a natural colour, starts dressing in a more feminine demure way, behaving in a more feminine way, accepts her husband using a feminine name for her which she previously disliked... and this is all shown to be positive character development. Once her re-feminisation is complete she dies tragically but is remembered as a martyr by her brave husband. Ultimately all the central characters who get humanised and praised in the books are thin, pale, attractive, intelligent, exceedingly talented white people who succeed through acts of individual heroism and glory, and ultimately work to uphold existing systems (eventually becoming magical cops and government ministers who maintain the status quo). They're also bullies who at various points are significantly cruel to people they either have disputes with, or simply dislike, and that's presented as perfectly fine and justified with no growth or redemption needed, we're supposed to laugh along with their bullying. The humanity and dignity of the protagonists is shown to be extremely important and sacred, while the humanity and dignity of other less 'ideal' characters can be easily discarded. The more distance I've had from those books the more distasteful I've found them. I know for some people they're very nostalgic, and I understand the themes about an abused orphan (Harry) transcending his humble beginnings, or a nerdy outsider (Hermione) becoming a hero were genuinely powerful for some kids who grew up relating to those issues, but at this point I have no sympathy for anyone who's still publicly endorsing the series. It's one thing to stay in off-shoot fan communities which actively denounce and boycott Rowling, and just want to play around with the world she created. That's fine I guess. But actually supporting the franchise, buying merch, promoting new releases, publicly proclaiming yourself as a fan? At this point I'm going to assume you agree with her far-right political views if you're happy to keep giving her money and relevance.
I was in my 20s when I became aware of HP and the boom of popularity in the 00s. I read the first book and it was okay but I never got into them. Now my child's school is reading the first book and I feel like I need to find a suitable replacement book/series to recommend going forward
Not mentioning her own bigoted biases compounding on her on her retcons, like when she thought she'd get praise for retroactively declaring Hermione black. Y'know, the same character who was the most appalled about how the house elves were treated and how her rallying for them to get compensation and better working conditions for literal slaves was treated like a joke by the narrative and as an annoyance by even her own friends bc 'They like being treated that way' since she wasn't concerned with the implications of having a black character get mocked for thinking slavery was bad. Shocking that one of the poster children for terfs is incredibly racist. As well as how the UK has like three magical schools while whole continents have to share one or two at most.
you hit the nail on the head when you said this discourse was not about protecting women but controlling women. note how a lot of these people don’t give a shit about or support women’s sports until now
I wonder if this doesn't come off as extremely rude to Algerians and Taiwanese. Having rich white people accuse your best female athletes of being men in disguise. One thing I am happy about is that at least this brought to my attention the story of Imane Khelif. She was beautiful in her photoshoot and her story is inspiring. She's so strong and I hope she inspires peopl everywhere.
@@neoqwertyliterally. Like this is the Olympics not amateur hour at the local gym. Why was she competing as a boxer if she… couldn’t handle being punched.
i feel like we need to stop calling people like jk rowling "feminist" cause they're just hateful people that don't deserve to be associated with a very important movement
It drove me nuts even when the books were coming out that she was labeled a feminist. Absolutely nothing in her books is feminist, and outright goes against feminist ideology in some ways
i think it's important to label the stuff she's done that falls under white feminism and pop feminism. problematic types of feminism that are a thing & do cause issues, and are named to distinguish them from the types of feminism that do uplift and empower women & people who need it most
I also remember a story of a trans guy being made to compete in girls' sports (I think it was wrestling?) because he wasn't allowed to compete in guys' sports, and then people got mad that he was winning in girls' sports. Like these types of people are NEVER happy.
Can we also acknowledge the intersexism of it? A lot of the ppl who acknowledge that she's not trans but accuse her of being intersex, are still calling her a man and a male. That's not just mysoginy and transmysoginy, it's intersexism. Things things are all interwoven, and I think that's really important to acknowledge, but I've literally only seen intersex ppl online doing so.
Intersex and transgenderism are two completely different things, even though both are relevant in sports, because they both interfere with hormones, and therefore, with lots of physical attributes that are relevant for the separation of athletes in the two existing classes: male and female
@@auricia201Iman lost 9 times saying she has an advantage is is just disgusting you people should ve ashamed y'all out her in danger because she looks like a boxer
@@randomgeekcrap Yep again something that people only have issue with when someone is winning. If something is an issue it should be an issue regardless of how the person places. When it is only when someone wins then no just admit that you are butt hurt that you weren't the best and you are trying to find any excuse you can for why it wasn't that you weren't the best on the day.
I'm an AMAB intersex trans woman who has two X chromosomes, but you don't see transphobes calling me a woman for my chromosomes. It's not about chromosomes. It could be anything: your private bits, your ability to give birth, your hormones, your looksーif just one of these things fail to pass the female purity test, then you are a "man" and they want you to lose access to female spaces because you are a percieved threat to other women. It's even dumber when you look back on Rowling's Twitter and read a post from April this year where she explicitely stated DSDs do not disquality women born with them from womanhood. She may have believed that's how she would respond to someone who might be intersex back then, but when her feet was placed to the fire, she responded very differently, didn't she. :/
I don't really vibe with the olympics because it highly favors the large countries with massive amounts of money (and especially america). There are also many instances where homeless people in the area where the olympics are held being forced out of the city to make it more 'presentable'. I'm genuinely worried about how L.A. is going to treat the homeless population in 4 years.
My daughter did competitive gymnastics and monthly it cost something like $360 when she was like 8. She did it because she was strong and it was fun but the minute it wasn’t fun which was right around the time the moms were getting fist fights in the parking lot over the coaches playing favorites. All the other moms were sure they were raising future Olympians to the point they were risking their kid’s physical and mental health. One of the main instructors was proud of the fact her daughter had been amazing but caused damage to her neck to the point a mild fender bender could make her pass away. During the mom fight club in the parking lot time they also sat as close to the gym floor and said nasty things about the girls competing. Money, privilege, and general ugliness was the standard.
I'm French, here are some not so fun facts about the Paris 2024 Olympic games : -7 people died on construction sites related to the Olympics (subway system renovation and improvement) -homeless people were forced out of the area ("shipped" to other areas of France). -people in mental hospitals were denied outings for the duration of the games in several areas. -hijabi muslim French athletes were forbidden from wearing their veil
@@macabrecitrus2127 I'm so sorry that happened. I'm planning on looking around for groups protesting the olympics and the practices surrounding them. It just feels like most people don't care, as long as they get their entertainment. Not that different than usual though, I guess.
@mac not to minimize anything you said, but it's interesting to contrast Paris to the world cup in Qatar where stadia were built with slave labor and (tens of?) thousands of workers were killed.
Fun fact: pcos is an intersex condition. Literally the only reason the medical community refuses to recognize pcos as an intersex condition is because of the stigma. People with pcos often have some masculine secondary characteristics that make them feel insecure about meeting the standards of femininity placed on us. We also can have difficulty conceiving, which is also a huge failure in our roles as women according to society. Because of these things, doctors decided it would be cruel to then tell women they're actually intersex on top of everything else. So the reason they won't call it an intersex condition is basically just misogyny.
@@erinnadia0409 So first she's mad at a boxer for punching people. Now she's mad at someone for wearing makeup in public. Has she just forgotten how humans work?
Yeah. But if she and her lawyers really felt there was no case against her, they'd be going after everyone calling her out. It's a tried and true tactic for her. So the (general) silence tells us that her lawyers think she's up the proverbial creek.
I’m a trans girl entering my mid 20s and honestly I’m starting to just not give a shit anymore. I like being girly and hyperfeminine in the ways that people expect but honestly I also like embracing my masculine side too. It’s not a part of me I’m okay with shoving down for the sake of people looking at me funny.
@@goldenhorde6944 this reply doesn't make a lick of sense. Read another book? What, go into my time machine and travel back to my childhood and replace all my harry Potter books and movies with something else? I grew up on these books. They were a pivotal part of my childhood along other fantasy classics like Lord of the Rings, Star Wars and the Power Rangers. Needless to say, I was a massive Rowling fan growing up, and watching her reveal herself for the wretched hag that she is (possibly the wretched hag she's always been) IS a crushing feeling. This is a repeat of Bill Cosby all over again. That one was another idol of my youth that was later revealed to have always been a fucking monster.
@@goldenhorde6944 This is a very dumb reply. Read another book. What, so I just hop on my time machine, travel back to my childhood, and prevent my younger self from ever reading any Harry Potter book or watching any of the movies? Harry Potter was one of the most fundamental pieces of my childhood, alongside Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, and Power Rangers. I grew up idolizing Rowling for her role in turning an entire generation of children into readers. To see her fall from grace like that into the wretched hag she's become is a bitter pill to swallow. This is basically Bill Cosby all over again. I used to love that man too, until it was revealed he's been a monster all along.
@@l.n.3372 Way to miss the point of my post. Here, I'll spell it out: Minerva McGonagall was an elderly lady, but she was cool, likable, and affable, and everyone wanted their grandma to be like her. She was badass when she needed to be, but caring and gentle when the situation called for. Dolores Umbridge on the other hand was a loathsome bitch that everyone hated (She's even more hated than Voldemort, the actual main villain of the entire saga). She was a hypocrite, a tyrant, a detestable asshole, and a bitch in sheep's clothing, and everyone who had an aunt like her lamented it dearly. Growing up most Harry Potter fans thought Rowling was like McGonagall, when in reality she was really Umbridge all along.
To add your point about Rowlings surface level feminism, I’d recommend people to go watch TH-camr Caroline Easom who made a video listing out all of the 28 female characters in the Harry Potter series and critiquing how little many of them show up in the books and those that do appear more often are not fully fleshed out or given as much Nuance as many of the male characters. It really shows another level of misogyny within J.K Rowling’s works where she doesn’t give the same level of nuance or personality to the young girls and women she writes about.
wow yeah i'll have to see that. it strikes me that, looking through a feminist lens, creating "exemplary" women characters can be a type of dehumanization.
Also Shaun's "Harry Potter" video goes through how her politics drench every page. He points out the authorial passive aggression, and also just how *mean* the books are.
JK's transphobia seems to be a way for her to never deal with her anger towards cis men, especially in regards to the assault she experienced at the hands of cis men.
nah thats such a cop out. she loves to spin that narrative but soo many trans people have been sexually assaulted, so many trans women in particular and attributing any value to that argument is so disrespectful to them. she is a bigoted person. she has always been a bigoted person. she is not a feminist and never has been, shes always always always been a Pick Me type of woman and shes always been racist and antisemitic and misogynistic and its extremely obvious if you examine the concepts she writes about in her books. the antisemitic caricatures of the goblins at gringotts, the villianization of femininity (see; petunia dursley, lavender brown, delores umbridge, professor trelawny, rita skeeter) the rampant representation of fat people as disgusting, ugly and neverendingly greedy and cruel. the race of *creatures* that are enslaved and Love It mimicks the racist attitude many people are taught about enslaved black people during the atlantic slave trade. theres also obvious racism in that the only canonically black students (as in, the ONLY ones described as anything other than pale) are involved in sports. the only character described as having olive skin is a half giant woman who is meant to be seen as undesirable sexually. then theres cho chang, a waifish, pale and tiny tragedy ridden love interest who is a chinese woman but has a korean name and exists only to further the plot. she even hates the irish, the only irish kid at hogwarts blows up Everything he tries to cast a spell on. (thats because she thinks the irish are terrorists) not to mention, the entire plot of the story is a really weird and frankly gross persecution fantasy in which she tries to role play as One Of The Good Ones during the holocaust. you can not tell me voldemort is not meant to be reminiscent of hitler. shes SAID the death eaters are nazis (and she later added that? the death eaters are actually trans people???) she is not in some deep denial about her sexual assault. she is just a privileged white british woman who refuses to unpack her prejudices and biases and instead doubles down on them to the point that she has become the leader of a hate movement that costs real people their lives. she is a billionaire and she knows the immense power she has over her audience. giving her the benefit of the doubt does nothing but further her agenda of harming trans people. word of mouth is also extremely important to keep in mind. any right wing conspiracy theorists hear "she hates trans people because she was sexually assaulted" and suddenly joe rogan and andrew tate and elon musk and then fox news and on and on and on are all reporting JK ROWLING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY TRANSGENDER WOMAN but in much viler words than i am willing to use. ive spent a Long time examining this. jk rowling is not a feminist. she is at best a misguided bigot, and at worst, a white supremacist with the full knowledge of the power she has and the harm she can cause. and considering shes donated almost 100 Thousand pounds to an organization hellbent on destroying any chance trans people in the UK have of been recognized legally, i would say shes closer to the latter than anyone seems to want to admit.
We discussed cases exactly like this in the intro to feminism course I took in college, and how they were examples of how transmisogyny does harm to all women, including cis women; and how women of color are disproportionately more likely to be the ones deemed “not woman enough”. I guess Rowling didn’t take notes in class.
Insane that a one-hit wonder children's book author, a thrice divorced deadbeat dad and a youtuber who's primary audience is 6 year olds are harassing the worlds top athletes
man those books do *not* hold up either. reread them a few years ago, and they're really mean-spirited. The characters just hate each other. I'm not even sure why Hermione hangs out with Harry and Ron, they don't respect her or care about anything she wants. They seem to just use her to copy her homework. Shaun (TH-camr) has a great video called "Harry Potter" where he dives into how morally messed up the books are -- that was a cathartic listen.
@@celisewillis she is also extremely insistent that physical attractiveness is tied to a person's morality-- all of the villains are painstaking described as ugly for no reason other than to emphasize that they are in fact bad people. She's been obsessed with hyper-policing other people's bodies for decades.
What is it with sports and bringing out the misogyny, transphobia, racism, etc in people!!? Like i know bigotry runs rampant everywhere but I hear about it in sports FAR too often.
sports is deep in patriarchy. then encapsulated with racism and classism. it’s kinda like microdosing war, socially more acceptable because no one’s dying to prove their manhood/worth/skill/talent. Men want to live in the world they promised since childhood, that all females are subordinate and physically inferior. when that doesn’t seem to be the case, they will quite literally speak into existence that women are SUPPOSED to be less muscular, shorter, and act feminine. Now the world lets people act how they please, and they are upset that somewhere, a young daughter is being let to play rough, play sports, and making a boy cry. they were once that young boy crying that a girl beat them.
sports show that the biological basis of misogyny and racism is manufactured and not real. Reality, then, has to be fought so as not to let it undermine bigotry.
They operate on the logic of "If we accuse every single person we see of being trans we'll get one right eventually." Then they go ahead and accuse Elliot Page of being a detransitioned trans woman and still manage to be wrong.
You never hear one of these gender police actually talking about women's sports when they're not trying to accuse someone of being trans. It's quite telling.
@@thareelhelloagainI have genuinely never seen anyone discredit Phelps, let alone speak violently about him because of his genetic abnormality. But talks of ending imani's career or life are quite common
What I found so crazy aswell is that since this boxer is from a country where she clearly couldn’t have transitioned, the implication is that if she has the ‘wrong’ chromosomes to them, that despite having the clear secondary sex characteristics of a cis woman, being raised as a woman and having the entire life experience of a woman - she would not be intersex, no, she is apparently just a “biological male”. It is absolutely absurd to me. If I discovered I had different chromosomes than I thought or a different hormonal balance (which I already expect on that front) I would think it was so insane if these ‘feminists’ decided I wasn’t a woman anymore. Like sorry is the fact I have female genitals and have lived my whole life as a woman suddenly not important anymore? Hmm, interesting! It’s almost as if they acknowledge gender is more complex than they think. The whole thing is so tiresome and I can’t take this idea of them “protecting women” as the guise of their activism seriously. Especially when you go around their accounts and see literally all of them mocking what from their POV is someone wearing clothes they’re not supposed to bc society has gendered them and calling it disgusting.. it’s like what is actually happening here? You just feel a disgust reaction and are basing your politics off of that, and one clearly based in sexism and homophobia too. Sorry for ranting this shit just really baffled me.
Yep people with Swyer Syndrome (the most common reason that people are XY and have female reproductive system) are considered women with the rate of transition after finding out pretty much matching the rest of the population.
@@oiytd5wugho And yet at the same time there are a lot of people who are learning about Swyer Syndrome and other variations to XX, XY because of this. Obviously there are also people who refuse to acknowledge that chromosomes can be more complicated than that.
I pointed out that she cannot possibly be a “biological male” to transphobic relatives now. Can hardly wait for the other shoe to drop and needing to go no contact from very low contact now 😅
Exactly! Like I don’t think I have seen seen any of the transphobic comments actually calling her transgender in terms of her transitioning…like it’s hard because they are evasive and keep moving the goal posts but there are arguments seem to be well she is a man because she chromosomes…and I’m thinking even if that were true well she’s not transgender or a man then is she? Like none of it makes sense, it’s literally just using trans panic to hate on women who do not conform to white European femininity
Rowling is more concerned with believing she's correct than anything else, but she lacks the intellectual curiosity to critically examine her assumptions and the intellectual honesty to admit fault when she's shown to be factually incorrect.
About high levels of testosterone. You can also get elevated levels from stress, violence and intense physical workout (like for example training for being a boxer). Also, you get elevated levels from having sex (yes women also get more testosterone in their system from sex).
Also receptivity has a huge factor in this, have low androgen receptivity and no amount of testosterone will do anything... hence total androgen insensitivity being a thing that happen.
Ironically, there _is_ a trans boxer in the Olympic women's boxing competition. One who is a man, even. Hergie Bacyadan is a transmasc middleweight boxer from the Philippines. (As I understand it, he hasn't started HRT or anything, so that he could box without questions of eligibility.)
about the harry potter issue, there's a considerable amount of fans of harry potter who are actively against jk rowling, and they make a point of only supporting fan merch and elevating fan stories that are more inclusive than the terrible original work
Maybe they shouldn’t spend money on it and support JK monetarily. Even if they don’t, supporting Harry Potter still boosts JK Rowling. They cannot be trans allies if they are HP fans. And if they’re a trans person who likes HP? They are bootlickers
For one part it still keeps with live the fandom, for the other I love that they take Harry Potter and made it more inclusive (and Joanne is angry with that part of the fandom, which is a plus)
Imene Khelif is an inspiration. She had a tough childhood but persisted with training and followed her dreams. She is a Unicef Ambassador working on getting young girls, in disadvantaged areas, to be involved in sport. This is the kind of woman I respect, a woman who uplifts other women, not trashing them. To me, she is a role model and a true feminist.
As Rowling apparently hates being called Joanne? All the commenters calling her Joanne here, is the delicious, delicious icing on Kat's glorious video essay cake... Oh no. Now I want actual cake. 🤣 💗
@@squeakyelbows Wild isn't it, her current book series she uses a male pseudonym and she chose to be credited as JK as male authors tend to do better than female (or have a broader appeal). So she has no issue cosplaying as male when she decides that it benefits her. Though maybe that is what it actually is, she cosplays as male all the time so it is beyond her comprehension that trans people aren't cosplaying.
Grew up always being taller than everyone else. Always had large hands, feet and a deep voice. Was always teased that you could spot my voice out of all the other little girls. I was maybe 12 or 13 the first time someone called me a trans slur as an insult (since I’m old, I had to look it up in the encyclopedia 🥴) It took me a long time to understand it was because I made them feel insecure about themselves (that when a person is small emotionally, they don’t like when you can physically stand taller or literally fill their shoes) After our second child was born my partner asked me not to shave my head anymore partly because he was concerned for not just my safety but our children’s safety. I had been physically threatened and asked if I was a “boy or a girl” since I was a teenager. Only their idea of femininity is protected. (Just like only their idea of love and marriage) As always you look so incredible! Like everyone else is saying, the hair is everything!!!! ❤️
Just being a Black woman, I have been called a man at least a dozen times, no matter how feminine I am. I'm sure so many WOC have been there before but it helps to know that it is white supremacy at work. The funny part is that the white Italian and Hungarian boxers that implied that Imane was a man are quite masculine women themselves, but their whiteness affords them the peace and protection of their femininity. I don't know that society will ever afford us WOC the same, but I hope we can all form that peace within ourselves. I certainly have. I love my masculine and feminine characteristics.
I learned about the variety of the sex chromosome spectrum early in my major as a Women's Studies major at UC Berkeley, and I wonder why we do not include that information in health class for children when they are going through puberty and sex ed classes.
We absolutely should! My dad is a doctor, so I've known about some of the more common chromosomal variation since I was 7, & it didn't confuse me or affect me negatively at all.
Americans can lobby local school districts to provide comprehensive, inclusive sex education. Many districts have been quietly controlled by abstinence/ignorance only propaganda due to RW religious pressure groups. Most districts have info about the type of courses they offer on their website. Be well!
My Catholic highschool included it in either health or biology. They made sure we were aware of Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome because some of the models who portray the ideal female body are what these conservatives would consider "male".
The ultimate irony is seeing the transvestigators claim JKR is amab. Even JoRo is not safe from the bullshit that she herself is perpetuating. But has this made her reflect and reconsider? Of course not.
As a transman my lack of femininity never bothered me but it sure did bother other people and that did bother me. This is nothing new growing up a Tom boy and a butch woman I was constantly mistaken for a boy or man.
I'm a trans women who was gender fluid. Can we shake hands so the rest of my testosterone goes to you and the rest of your estrogen goes to me? This is something a theory I heard, and its a joke, but I'm wondering lol.
@marcen12 lol I'll try anything once. I had a hysterectomy so not much estrogen left to give. I stopped taking T because I'm afraid of losing my hair lol
The Michelle Dionne case was one of the reasons I was really upset when Imane was being accused. People don't understand or care about the repercussions of their accusations, and their accusations could get someone killed. That's why being 'outted' is so dangerous.
For real, she's a cisgender woman from a violently queerphobic country. If someone believed she's trans, she could be seriously hurt. Transphobes don't realize they could be unaliving another woman. They're so blinded by hate for men it's completely skewed how they view women and how women should be- falling into the same misogyny that they scream so loudly that they go through. They've gone so full circle they actively participate and benefit from the patriarchy. This isn't feminism. This is misogyny from fellow women who are deeply insecure about themselves.
This year, Valentina Petrillo will be competing in the paralypics as the (i believe) first openly out transwoman in a paralypics! A huge first step, I hope that folks'll loudly support her and that other athletes will be able to follow in her footsteps.
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I made this video to completely explain these points but here is a summary for the impatient and eager:
- Imane Khalif comes from a country where it is illegal for her to medically transition so there is no feasible way that she is a transgender woman nor would she represent her country on a grand stage while being transgender.
- THERE IS NO ACTUAL PROOF OF HER HAVING XY CHROMOSOMES NOR ELEVATED TESTOSTERONE. If you have been told that, that is not true. The details of the IBA’s “gender test” have not been released. We do not know what they say. JK Rowling’s main issue Is she hasn’t seen the tests.
-Khelif was initially accused of being a man because she was winning against a Russian opponent. The IBA is a Russian organization. They challenged her gender to maintain the record of Azalia Amineva who had been on a winning streak.
- So essentially the idea that Imane Khelif is a man is Russian propaganda that JK Rowling and many others fell for because, to them, she does not look feminine. To their western eyes, she looks masculine especially when up against a white woman. That is why it is misogynistic. They are robbing her of her womanhood because she is successful at her sport and to them, she does not look feminine. It is text book misogyny.
- and my ultimate point is that IF Imane Khelif does have elevated testosterone, that’s stil something natural to her as a cis woman. So the idea that she becomes a biological man purely because of that would be shifting the previously stated requirements of being born a woman to be a woman.
- So JK Rowling removing her from womanhood is proof that even cis women do not always measure up and typically when someone scrutinizes a woman in this way, we plainly name it misogynistic.
There is proof. He tested male at two different labs. How do you not know this?
@@trinkets7777 The IBA test is not credible, given the organization's long history of corruption, which eventually got them banned from the Olympics; the refusal to disclose the test's results (even Khelif only knows that she "failed" it, but not the actual results) or even what kind of test they performed; and the fact that the IBA outright lied about which lab performed this supposed test.
Meanwhile, the French lab said that there's "issues" with chromosomes and testosterone, but that overall Khelif is a woman and should compete in the women's category.
@@trinkets7777 Once again, the IBA only accused her of being a man once she defeated the protege of the president of the IBA. The IBA was disbarred for corruption and has many issues outside of this one. The gender test likely doesn’t exist at all. You need to recognize that you are falling for propaganda. Additionally, Angela Carini has a very long history of throwing fights. This is not the first time she’s flung herself to the floor
Wierd how Russian propaganda is always trying cause extremism.
@@trinkets7777 citation needed
I’m a butch lesbian with PCOS and I’ve never once been threatened by a trans woman. I have however been threatened by people who’ve perceived me as a trans woman on numerous occasions. Fighting against transmisogyny IS a fight against misogyny, and protecting trans women ultimately protects all women
Yup, that's what "trans rights are human rights" means
I'm so sorry you experienced that :(
I hate when straight women pretend like the reason they hate trans women is to protect lesbians. It's made me feel scared about going to lesbian events unless they explicitly say that trans women are welcome, which sucks cause I feel like queer cis women are on average way more accepting than straight cis women, they've just propagated the idea that cis lesbians and trans women are like mortal enemies or whatever
I'm not a butch lesbian and I HAVE been threatened by a trans woman. Maybe that's the difference. Trans women don't seem to fight against men or even women that look stronger than they are. Just us weaker ones.
I'm also gay and have PCOS and it causes me to feel insecure about my body because I don't feel feminine enough, I would probably be gender policed if I didn't have a feminine face and wear a lot of makeup, it sucks not feeling happy in your own body despite being cisgender
@@EternalDensity Is it? I suppose it's a (small I hope) part. To me, trans rights are human rights means. primarily, that trans people are people
As an arabic woman from the middle east, I grew up surrounded by people who look like Iman. So it was genuinely so weird to me that there was a controversy about her "looking like a guy" because lots of MENA Iadies look like her.
YT peopIe really think the world revolves around them and their features. Iman is beautiful and most beautiful and feminine about her are her gorgeous north african features
Period أختي 👏
The artist Sevdaliza (Iranian Dutch i believe) comes to mind. Not only is she beautiful but her music is great as well. I highly recommend her to whomever is reading this and doesn't know she exists.
I am indian but also grew up surrounded by people who looked like Iman so I get how you feel, it was so weird. I hope she wins the lawsuits she's filing 🙏
What do white people have to do with it? Please Check Out how people in the middle east or Asia speak about trans people. For goes Sake, racism goes both ways
This entire debacle is just racism wrapped in classism cloaked by misogyny, all tied up with an ugly transphobic bow.
The funniest part is that when Rowling learned she was getting sued, she went silent and deleted like 27 tweets only to post another one attacking the person suing her for slander.
that's like deleting your browser history and then going to the hub on a library computer
Imane should win another gold medal for getting JKR to actually shut up for nearly 2 weeks. I should have cherished that silence more 💔
"JK post something normal (penalty: lawsuit)" - difficulty: impossible
Can't say I'm shocked (fs her "Hologram" denial) but I'm still disappointed.
The mold won't let her do anything else with her time.
@@tjenadonn6158omg 😂
One of the reasons why Lin Yu-ting chose boxing was because of domestic violence in her childhood, she wanted to protect her mother. Her family was poor, after her father left home, her mother raised four children alone. When she won her first prize money, what she most hoped for was ‘ Give it to mom! ’ billionaires will never know this heavenly joy
( but Rowling, a single mother who has been poor, might know? )
I'm a trans man. Growing up, I was constantly policed over my lack of femininity, how I didn't dress like a woman, how I didn't behave like a woman. I had long hair most of my life but once I got a pixie cut, I was also chastised for not looking like a woman (and yes, I am not white). A constant denial of my girlhood because I was not performing it right. But curiously, now that I am out as a trans man, now that I am testosterone dominant--which according to people like JK Rowling disqualifies women like Imane from being a woman, regardless of what's in her pants or what her chromosomes are--people like her are bending backwards to call me a woman. Suddenly "having high testosterone doesn't mean I'm not a woman", yet that doesn't apply to Imane. They can't even operate by their own logic, they can only work on whatever is the most transphobic thing to say, even if it contradicts what they stated before.
precisely!!
I'm learning how much people like to police femininity. Before I transitioned, my dad never complained about what I wore. But now, he complains that my dresses are too short, and that I wear the same dresses over and over again.
Well, that's because these rules about who does or doesn't get to be a man or a woman are, of course, nonsense. It's just a bunch of made-up rules to justify patriarchy and cisnormativity.
so true...
Exactly.
It's all about transphobia.
I'm an intersex woman (Turner's Syndrome) and I remember this happening to an intersex athlete when I was a kid and just starting to take HRT
People called her a man/hermaphrodite and called for her to get T tests
It made teenage me, already self conscious about taking estrogen, feel so bad about myself
I'm so sorry you had to witness that. I have no idea what it's like to be intersex, but I hope you find solidarity and peace. You are loved❤
Some people with DSDs are male since DSDs are sex specific They're as male as any man.
That's awful. Even if we didn't directly experience the prejudice directly, seeing it happen can still be traumatizing.
@Finbarr-x4inot how trauma works lmfao
Youll crack too someday @Finbarr-x4i
How are trans women simultaneously reducing womanhood to a costume of hyperfemininity and then turn around say Khalif is a man because she doesn't put on a costume of hyperfemininity. I am confusion, Joanne!
It's all so silly! This is a clear display on how transphobia falls apart. It's just a bunch of insane mental gymnastics that contradict each other.
Joanne! This is madness Joanne!
JOANNE, EXPLAIN!!!!
And you just know that Joey would throw a sprocket if she found out that trans tomboys and butch trans women exist. I've changed very little about my gender expression throughout my transition, essentially going from a femme-of-center man to a masc-of-center woman without really changing how I dress in any major way. When did my normal clothes become a costume?
@@grieffoundation8451 CHOO CHOO, THE DEFAMATION EXPRESS JUST PICKED UP ANOTHER PASSENGER.
"We can always tell."
Proceeds to not be able to tell.
@@trinkets7777 It's telling that you need to twist up statements from a guy who literally said "She is a woman" to push the narrative that "this is a man".
@@Shampyon If he says he's a man, he can't compete against women, so he's trying to uphold the narrative. He's out of a job if he doesn't. Duh. I guess you missed the part where they said he'd changed chromosomes from living in the mountains. lol They know he's male XY.
Absolutely can tell.
@@Shampyon His medical records were leaked and he's male with a micropenis. You're not using your eyes or brain. .
@@Liztastaney7can you Liz? Can you? Please tell me how you clocked someone like Nikkie Tutorials.
wow how did logan paul manage to give the worst non-apology possible
guess he had practice from the time he vlogged a suicide victim!
Looks like he made a severe lapse in his judgemen- (i am boo'd off the stage)
(Sorry I had to, I couldn't help myself lmao)
It'd be more surprising if he didn't
I would have been shocked if he hadn't achieved that, it is logan paul.
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I have nothing to say about it: we called it early on, we tried to warn people, that "protect cis women" transphobes will end up harming cis women, who happened to be deemed "undesirable" according to w. supremacy standards. It's still heartbreaking to watch it unfold.
💔💔💔
I hate that we keep being right about this stuff.
@@tjenadonn6158 Me too!
She isn't an actual cis woman. She's intersex. It's a different situation.
The thing the phobes always forget is how few trans folk there are. We make up 0.5-2% of the population. If you target even 10% of women as potentially trans you'll end up targetting 5-20 times as many _cis_ women as trans women. Never mind the fact most binary trans folk work pretty hard to meet typical gender expression stereotypes and are far less likely to be clocked as gender non-conforming.
It's been obvious for a while. This is just the first time JK Rowling might face consequences for it.
"they can choose not to cause injury" is SO BAFFLING when it's _literally boxing?_
No wonder the worldbuilding in the HP books was so slapdash: Joanne doesn't understand the basic basics of how this world works, so of course any world she constructed would be on the level of children pretending to go to work at the business factory.
And also how tf is that "cheating"? If having a naturally slightly high testosterone level is cheating, is being taller than average cheating in basketball?
"thay can choose not to cause injury" - Rowling could apply that rule to herself :/
"I never thought I'd be punched!" says the woman in the people-punching sport"
@@RoguSpanish Women don't EVER have natural T readings in the male spectrum. They don't cross over. This person is male and tested male in two labs. Even his coach acknowledged it.
When I was a little girl, I was a huge boxing fan. I used to tell people I wanted to be the first female heavyweight champion. I was laughed at and teased mercilessly (this was the 70s). I applaud the courage of these women to live their dream despite the hardship and backlash.
When I was a kid, I wanted to be an astronaut (we were working on going to the moon) and also take shop instead of home ec (I already knew how to cook and sew so home ec was boring) and crappy old men told me that I couldn't do that because I was a girl and that I really wanted to be a boy, had penis envy, and even that I *was* a boy.
I think about this every time some moron like Megan Kelly says if they were a kid today, they would be pushed to transition because they were a tomboy. No, Megan, people were saying that crap before you were even born.
@@peterschaeffer CAS doesn't approve labs. You have been fed misinformation.
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It's WILD how people jumped strait to "extra strong women must be trans" when steroids are still a thing that exist. Not that Imane is definitely doing steroids, I'm just saying there was a time where that would have been the assumption.
Another valid point.
That no one on that side of the aisle will consider.
(she's brown)
Performance steroids are still TRT, so that checks out.
@Dave102693 High levels of testosterone doesn't make you a man. Some afab are just born like that regardless of steroid use.
Kinda weird from a self-proclaimed feminist to say that women can't be strong. In my opinion, Imane and Lin are the true feminist icons here.
I'm very much afab out-and-out female woman and I've been mistake for a man more times than I care to admit. I'm also very much visibly African Blackety Black. It's not lost on me that these women are being accused of being stealth men in disguised. I don't know how you can look at Khalif and think "that's a man!" It makes me mad and I don't even like sports, but I hope she and Liu win all the fights.
Im also cis Black and same.
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Like, how often have people seen Serena Williams be called a "man" since she came on the scene as a teenager. And this isn't some recent phenomenon. Back in the day, Sorjouner Truth was accused of being a man by some random white man who happened to be in the crowd during one of her speeches. She was a 6 foot tall mountain of a woman, who spoke Dutch with a commanding voice.
African Blackety Black got a chuckle out of me 😂❤
Yep. It's why "transvastigators" love to accuse women of color. The amount of times I've seen Michelle Obama, a pretty traditionally feminine woman, called Michael is kind of astounding.
Yuuup the amount of times people have mistaken me for a man because of my broad shoulders, height, and masculine jawline is wiiild
Kinda arbitrary, but: Simply having the muscle mass and fat distribution **that an athlete has** can and frequently does cause elevated testosterone. If the qualifying tests by the IAB somehow weren't faked for Russia's benefit and she does in fact have elevated testosterone, she may have elevated testosterone **because she is an athlete.**
Yeah, but the elevated testosterone wouldn't be up to cis male levels. That would only happen if she was doping or on TRT. I would *love* to see what these "gender tests" actually entail.
@@Callimo When tested, the testosterone levels for elite male athletes is a complete overlap for the testosterone levels of elite female athletes. Meaning that, out of the hundreds of athletes, the person with the lowest testosterone was a cis man.
100% agree! I find it really bizarre that some people use elevated testosterone as though testosterone means "man" and "oestrogen" means woman. *Picard face palm* I've also seen loads of mentions of these "tests" the IBA conducted as though anyone knows what they were, which we don't but hearsay and conjecture is passed off onto the next badly researched article and the misogyny, transphobia and racism spreads. Let's stop spreading this misinformation, please? The IBA did not even say they tested for testosterone levels or "chromosomes" at all. They didn't specify what the tests were, nor did they provide any documentary evidence to back up their decision to disqualify Olympic Gold medal winner Imane Khalif or Olympic Gold medal winner Lin Yu Ting. They both competed in IBA matches previously with no issues, but suddenly a Russian boxer's winning record streak is threatened and: Surprise! Transphobia!
It means she most likely has DSDs and is potentially biologically male.
@@Callimo I am a cis woman XX with elevated testorone levels similar to that of a cis man. We exist...
There's a reason the Olympics stopped gender testing in 1999, way more people (it was almost exclusively women being subjected to DNA testing) were finding out that their chromosomes don't match what we learned in high school, cause surprise surprise our bodies development is way more complicated.
I used to work with a geneticist. She and I spent a really interesting couple of hours one day discussing all of the genetic research into gender and the complexity of it.
The fact that the conversation took a couple of HOURS and we only just scratched the surface of it tells you a lot about the complexity of the issue.
@@peterschaeffer brother read the reply and not the original comment
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@@peterschaeffer you belong in the mental asylum for the mental gymnastics you are doing and otherwise in prison for the false information you're spreading. Stop trying to influence children, groomer
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Semenya’s case is kinda complicated, but it’s much more accurate to call her intersex than a man. Yes, 5α-Reductase 2 deficiency can only occur in someone with XY chromosomes. However, it’s called an intersex condition for a reason. The sex organs are not fully virilized. Semenya also has a vagina alongside those other sex organs. Just calling her a man is _way_ oversimplifying it.
JK posted this quote on Twitter with a beautiful photo of Imane Khelif two days ago,
"It’s important to highlight that launching a PR campaign and applying layers of thick makeup requires far more time and effort than simply making DNA test results public." @SwipeWright
So disgusting. I hope they can get this to stick and enforce any kind of consequence.
At what point do we start calling her a femcel, because that's definitely very assmad-I-can't-get-a-guy type of sour grapes behavior she's having out in public.
Cyber bullying a person, and demanding that they disclose personal medical records in order for you to stop, however, takes very little effort.
Always getting accused of "plastering on makeup" when it's a normal amount of makeup to wear.
So not only does Joey have no idea what women look like, she has no idea what makeup looks like. When is the last time she left her bedroom and interacted with another human being in the real world?
as if she doesn't wear makeup herself... plus, if you look at old photos of her, you'll notice that her face looks VERY different in a way that can't be explained by simply aging
Joanne hurt the "biological women" she said she was trying to protect. Imane actually actually lost in the olympics before but no one said a thing. Like, they ruined a woman's life because she didn't look enough like a woman
And because she was good. They didn't say anything before because she wasn't winning as much. But apparently, no real woman could be as good of a boxer as she is so she must be a man! It's so sexist.
More specifically, she didn’t look enough like a white Western European woman. It’s not lost on me how often the women they bully and harass are women of color whose features are masculine by European beauty standards.
"Sex is real"... except when markers of sex are inconvenient for Joanne's agenda. J.K. is simply a bully with a bullhorn.
Basically every trans athlete they have gone after has lost too, that doesn’t make them hold back
@@wyrdpink2549 what?
JK Rowling is engaging in so many forms of prejudice that it’s exhausting peeling back the layers. Like many other white women, she feels she has the monopoly on womanhood, and so thinks it’s her place to invalidate other women. One of Imane's competitors (Anna Luca) posted a derogatory Al image of Imane as a beast standing oppositite a petite blonde. I laughed at this because Anna really doesn’t look very different to Imane. She’s a muscular woman, only she’s white/blonde. I guess that’s the important distinction here.
sadly true
It's just racism
Nah JK Rowling is correct
@@peterschaeffer So the only journliast on the planet to see these tests is some rando whose only endorsement comes in the form of a quote from a fictional crime novel.
I've seen people make your other mistakes and push your other bad-faith and outright false narratives before, but that little piece of ridiculousness was new to me. The idea that these tests prove the IBA right, so they released them solely to some obscure rando, and not literally any of the major news organisations - not even the ones that bought their story hook, line, and sinker. Not RT, not Fox, not OANN. The only journalist on the planet who can be trusted to view the tests is a guy whose only endorsement comes from a ghost-written James Patterson novel.
And that doesn't even give you a moment's pause, does it? That absolutely bizzarre decision doesn't even put the slightest dint in your certainty.
There's also a misogyny in seeing women excel at a sport and immediately call them men. You don't actually "support" women athletes because you actually think women aren't capable of that level of athleticism.
The misogyny is not allowing women their own category. He's exceling because he's male.
@@squeakel11that's not what's happening and you know it
@@squeakel11 bro's fluent in yappanese
🎯 this the one right here 👏🏾
@@javawatson Truly redacted take.
"it's not about protecting women, it's about controlling women": these are words about actions I have been severely affected by whilst growing up and during my adulthood and it was good to hear it being said, thank you @KatBlaque
@@El_likes_to_stim It’s always control masquerading as concern, isn’t it? So much of misogyny is infantilizing grown women. Always in need of a protector and a guide.
The goal posts of misogyny will always shift as they get closer to achieving the control they want. Look at reproductive care. It was late term abortions, then second trimester, then a few weeks, then mifepristone, then contraceptive pills, then IVF... Eventually it's mask off and you realize what they've been saying all along. You don't get bodily autonomy. You don't get to make decisions. I get to decide what you can do and determine if you have value. And they get very angry when women reject their attempts to exert that control.
Someone needs to take the internet away from Joanne.
They really should, but it’s very funny watching her dig herself into a colossal legal hole
nah we need these people outing themselves in their desperation to stay relevant. It's a great time to be an anti-capitalist, this is way easier than trying to explaining economics to people who haven't used algebra in 20 years.
@@verszka1678 is 1678 your d.o.b.? I know the vindication of the rights of women was published when you were like 115 and you might not wanna reread old stuff, but I think you misunderstood some points. Also, a lot of newer reading came out in your 4th century, it's worth checking out!
@@verszka1678 she’s not speaking for women’s rights if she’s discriminating against trans women and trans men (and trans people in general tbh) for just existing. And this is coming from a non binary person who’s fed up with people agreeing with her transphobic views and bs.
@@verszka1678do you only think the rights of women who look traditionally pretty matter?
It's just so wild because all JK had to do was be rich and be quiet.
If I had that level of "fuck you money" I would never be seen or heard from again, I am constantly baffled.
@@nuclearalchemy9220 Same. Like I'd be doing things. No one would ever see me, tho.
can you imagine hating a group of people so bad that you would let it fuck with the bag? 😅
It would seem money only makes certain people louder. I suppose due to less repercussions for the rich.
Exactly what i would/will be doing. Just enjoy the fruits of my labor and stfu
18:47 In Oslo, Norway, a woman was beaten up because someone thought she was a trans woman because she had lots of hair on het legs. 😡
If this woman is cis *or* trans, _she needs to be able to choose herself if she wants to shave her legs or not_ 🏳️⚧️
Of course. Any woman that doesn't shave body hair is ugly to them. Unnatural. I enjoyed smooth legs, but its no longer worth the bother as a post menopausal woman.
That's why we have so many paedos. We've got a generation of men who are grossed out by normal features of adult female bodies like pubic hair, visible labia minora, and even the pigmentation of genitalia. Google "bubblegum pink meaning". It's both disgusting and alarming.
I quit shaving because I don't care to. I definitely notice judgement from others, but I have thus far been safe and unharmed. The fact that phobe nonsense is an excuse for people to harm women who don't conform to typical gender roles is exactly why TERF shit is not feminist at all. Also, trans folk I know on the femme side would rather duct tape their leg hair off than go out looking fuzzy because they're TRYING to pass in this stupid binary world. So it's extra dumb to see someone with leg hair and think they're secretly trans. Like yeah, they could be, but they could also just not want razor burn.
Men will never be tired to mock women celebrating body hair like we're ridiculous for normalising body hair on women bc men love to pretend women aren't harassed for it meanwhile men are the main aggressors enacting said harassment and the dudes saying that shit most definitely have something against women with body hair. Now added with transphobia we've cis women also beat up additionally for that stigma.
A man will never be harassed for having body hair
how far from reality are those people. It's still crazy that there are people that don't even know that women have hair. What do those people think lady shaves are for??
My favorite part of all of this is people who are SO FOCUSED ON WOMEN SPORTS thinking women don't need groin protection. Like pointing to groin protection for women and saying "look, she has a penis". Like dude, NOBODY wants to get punched there. The oposite of penis is a vagina, not a shield! Groin protection exists for everyone.
FR. I landed on a bike the wrong way as a kid. Hurt like hell!
This reminds me of the guys who think for some reason it wouldn't hurt to get kicked in the crotch as an afab person. Sure it dosen't hurt as much as getting kicked in the balls, but they are still sensitive bits! like it would hurt if someone kicked you in the shin, why wouldn't it hurt to get kicked in the genitals 💀 the most sensitive part of the female genitalia is on the outside ffs!
@@animeotaku307 Just what I was going to say! It's like people don't know that the clitoris exists.
@@astrinymris9953 Unfortunately lot of people don't know, especially not conservatives.
@@astrinymris9953 Or the pubic bone. ;_;
Lin Yu Ting and Imane Khalif's amazing stories get overshadowed by all this 😢
It's SO so sad. Transphobes predictably getting caught up in their own web of nonsense and everyone else - especially the victims - have to suffer for it. Iman Kheliff, Lin Yu Ting, and every other athlete who was victim to this disgusting brigade, I hope you continue to get your retribution!
it's sad that they should be celebrated and had to deal with this
They're women to look up to.
It broke my heart when I read about how Imane Khalif had to struggle since she was a kid because she wanted to box when that was a boy sport, and then she wins the fucking olympics and some random insane people who's opinions about this should not matter ruin what should be such a wonderful time for her
LITERALLY
if they were trans women they wouldn't likely have high t, most adult trans women are on e
And hormone blockers! That's... kinda the point of hormones lmao. You can't tell anything that way if they've been on e and blockers for any significant amount of time.
And she's from Algeria and bring trans is literally illegal there
Transphobes assume the difference between bio-men and bio-women is so great as to be insurmountable. You could show them data about the hormone levels of trans and cis women, but they've made a habit of dismissing any science that disagrees with their middle-school understanding of human biology.
@@timothymclean Yes, but I believe trans people are also biological entities, so weird phrasing there
Yea I don’t get the argument of trans women having high testosterone literally hormone treatments lower it to a natal females levels.
The most ironic and hypocritical bit of this is that they use the hashtag "I Stand With Angela Carini", when Carini herself has made clear she holds no grudge against Khelif and hates the harassment she's getting.
Extra bit about the IBA "testing": both of the labs the IBA cited for doing this "test" do not do gender eligibility tests and have confirmed that they never tested the two women.
Fake. In addition, a french hospital Hopital Bicêtre du Val-de-Marne, confirmed that Khelif had an XY karyotype et produced a lot of testostérone.
He is a mâle
@@lilithtrump2359 🙄
@@lilithtrump2359 Really? Explain then, why I can find zero evidence that she was tested or even admitted to this hospital. And if said hospital chose to publicize her chromosomes, they would be sued into oblivion.
@@lilithtrump2359 oui, et puis la délégation locale du comité olympique de Montcuq a fait des radios de Khelif et ils ont trouvé non pas un mais deux pénis sous son calbar. Cela confirme que Khelif est en fait un sur-homme à la Nieztsche.
@@lilithtrump2359 That's so not true that even politicians are tuning it down to "masculine woman" when they are trying to excuse why their athletes were payed IBA money for doing worse on a match than a random grandma would
I noticed you're not censoring the word "rapist" out of fear of demonetization... Huge respect!!!
They are demonitising more words everyday! Now the words domestic violence are gone and tons of channels are putting filters for hundreds of words to immediately delete comments that use them! I was on a very progressive political channel the other day and I was discussing homophobia in the comments with another TH-camr and every second comment was being immediately deleted? We were surprised and annoyed because we were just discussing a homophobic person we both dislike but we kept using "banned words" apparently? Some were just ridiculous like the words "twink" and "boner" were banned? 🤷 It was stupid and we suggested they publish the list of words in the bio to save people time and effort but sadly I think most big channels will go the same route and commenting will become far less common? 🙄
The way a lot of cis ppl act like male and female are two different species has always annoyed me. We are much more alike than we are different.
They act like the fictional concept of race is actually species
forreal. "men are from mars women are from venus" is the actual gender ideology grooming type sh imo
When I was growing up, with an extreme gender-essentialist ideology pressed on me, I literally couldn’t determine any difference beyond reproductive roles, so all the trappings accompanying that were nonsense to me.
It's wild because transphobes will say "sex is real" which is the exact ideology of misogynists. Women are weaker, eternal victims, and need to be protected.
Agree very much so. I always think to myself that too many people are under the impression that humans have much more sexual dimorphism as a species than we truly have. If people insist on being scientific, we are considered a species with low sexual dimorphism (distinct physical characteristics that differ between sexes, including ones unrelated to genitalia and things of that nature) compared to many other species of animal. As well that traits some may consider a part of that, only apply sometimes and not all of the time, such as height. On average afab humans are shorter than amab humans, but there are still plenty of afab humans that are taller. This becomes even more apparent cross referencing between races and countries, where many dutch cis women will be taller than the average japanese cis man. What we consider to be markers of a certain sex (that aren't genitalia/reproductive organs and even that can get hairy of course) is pretty flimsy.
Dude this whole situation is so stupid because, Imane is a literal boxer.. who participates int he sport of boxing... OF COURSE SHES GONNA HAVE AN ATHLETIC BUILD?
Plus her opponent was a literal wimp, like dude wydm "I have never been hit this hard" its literal boxing your gonna get hit 😭
Yeah I was thinking to myself, have these people just not seen cis women athletes before? Especially not at the top of their field? Of course they have more muscle and less fat than the average cis woman... They train like 8+ hours a day and eat special diets, not to mention choosing their career partly based on having a specific body type to begin with
well thats the thing, people think that women are biologically incapable of bulking. although it’s a social issue that women are told not to bulk up, even if they are an athlete. they get told “you’ll look like a man, you’ll never attract a man looking like a man.” People think that women have no testosterone and men have no estrogen. sexists think that humans have HIGH sexual dimorphism when we have low. Society has cultivated this for a very long time.
And if Khelif deserves to be the gold medal boxer, then she probably DOES hit harder than other people she's competed against. This is how being the best in the world actually works!
me when i'm in the "who can punch the hardest" contest and my opponent punches hard
@@Nassifeh Yes and has worked very hard to get there. I love that the women who beat her at the previous Olympics and world championships spoke out defending her.
I heard that Imane put on enough muscle that she ended up going up a weight class, even with that she is taller than most people for her weight class, that means that she has a longer arm reach that gives her an advantage. Next they are going to say that boxing classes should be done on height instead of weight so that people don't have an advantage of arm reach.
The fact that J.K. Rowling came after these women while simultaneously kept absolutely quiet about the child rapist competing, tells me all I need to know about her and her motives. Her transphobia is way bigger than any concern she has for women.
Based on how she's publicly gushed about how Lolita is a "great love story", Joanne is probably upset that Van Velde was charged in the first place.
@@SPierre-dm4wo Wow! I didn't know this, not surprised though 😮💨
@@SPierre-dm4wo oh yuck! Nabokov never meant it to be a love story. He used the Unreliable Narrator to show Humbert as a selfish, delusional, weak predator who pretended his victim was to blame for his desires. Anyone who found that romantic will have other issues.
Rowling's fiction was frequently unkind to women and girl characters. Still, every kid I knew who was a Potter fan believed the books meant "be your authentic self even if people bully you for it". When JKR clarified that some bigotry and bullying was cool, they all rejected her new message.
That's the most disgusting, bare part of it for me. Of all the Olympians she can throw rich lady trash at for being men, hurting women... doesn't even go after van velde. Doesn't even try.
Scummy.
@@margaretwordnerd5210 I also read Nabokov was pissed when the publishers would add women in suggestive poses on the cover because it sold the book as something it was not. But they kept doing it and it got even worse after film adaptations.....society just sucks sometimes.
I kind of hate the makeup brand deal for Imane actually. good on her for getting brand money and all, but I hate how she has to get all dolled up and hyperfeminine just to be seen as a person.
Agreed. It kind of made me sad to see it, even if she looks great. My impression of her is that she is kind of what we'd call "butch" here in the US, which isn't surprising for a female boxer. But hey, I don't really know her. Maybe she likes getting dolled up. I just hope it's not appeasement or a survival tactic.
Make up isn't "hyperfeminine." 🥺
Me too, but her safety is at risk if she doesn't squash the rumors in a way that dumb people can understand 🥀
@@a.p.1496 wow. this coming from a supposed "feminist"?
It was always clear to me that attacking trans women will hurt every woman. Trans and cis women should be natural allies against misogyny.
I wish cis women would fight even if it didn’t affect them. It’s just the decent thing to do
💯
The problem is there's not enough conversation about intersectionality when it comes to the left. We always try to separate sexuality and gender when it comes to misogyny but never put two and two together that they tend to overlap.
Homophobia and transphobia are byproducts of the patriarchy and is mostly influenced by misogyny.
A lot of cis women seem to think it's a separate issue because they're taught that men alone are the problem not understanding that all of us play a part in upholding the patriarchy because we're all exposed to certain aspects of it since birth.
The only way to undo that is to remove the barriers of gender norms which means allowing anyone regardless of their assigned sex to express themselves how they see fit.
Fighting against that is fighting for regressive gender roles which upholds the patriarchy.
@@URFTBOUND4LIFE that's where TERFs totally baffle me. Being a trans woman is being born the standard and choosing to reject that. There is nothing more radically feminist to me than that
@@URFTBOUND4LIFE 💯
This is the best outcome at some point in the future and I hope I am not too old to see a world like that. It is a lot of work, but I am willing to do my part.
This whole discourse was soooooo stupid to witness. Glad the boxer is suing them. JK Rowling lost the plot a long time ago, but hyper policing the appearance of women is a fun new low. And I just want to say... I'm a tall woman, and I don't complain that the shorter gymnasts are "stealing medals" from the tall ones lol, it's just physics. The Olympics are the best of the best, and most of these people DO have genetic advantages over other players, be it longer legs, body composition, whatever. If a cisgender woman has elevated testosterone because of her genetics, how is that really so different?
when a white dude like michael phelps had a bio advantage, everyone acted like it just meant he was 'built for the sport'
It's insane, right? I always though Joanne was adamant that being a woman meant being born female, which Imane was. But now to her apparently it means ... big testosterone?
She isn’t suing, because she can’t to sue them for defamation she would have to take the test and prove her XX chromosome to make this a case, she won’t take it probably because she does have XY!
And these muppets saying that makes her a biological man are stupid but it’s not a case she will win. As soon as she’s asked to prove her case she will drop it like she did with her appeal on the XY result!
@@paddy1144- That's stupid, because some cis women have higher T levels than men. EDIT and even if she does have XY chromosomes, she was still born female and has female parts, and that's what these weirdoes have reduced women to.
seriously. nobody cares when a man has elevated natural testosterone
Wanting to become a boxer to defend your mom is one of the hardest things I’ve ever heard. You go girl.
Don't forget racist!
Joanne is super racist too....
Something I've been saying for forever... But it's nice that people are finally noticing it.
kingsley shacklebolt and cho chang were insane names
@@the-postal-dudeand having the only irish character be clumsy and rude was a choice she certainly made!
Honestly, it's been fun to see the conservatives in my country (Algeria) go from praising JK Rowling to hating her. It's giving them a lesson on trusting the leopards to not eat your face. :P And it's given the queer community some more leverage in getting our message across in our society.
Classist too. No need for Harry to have inherited all that money or Ron to “be poor” when he’s from a lineage of an upper class allegory 😒
Literally got whole paragraphs with character descriptions in the first book and for dean it was 'a black boy.' I was just done.
Dua Lipa once said that misogyny and transphobia are first cousins and she couldn’t be more right.
The western gender identity movement is just another MRA movement.
All raised under their grandparents racism and xenophobia
Actual transphobia¹) and misogyny are indeed first cousins because both are subss of bigotry and both linked to sex/ gender.
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¹) meaning hateed towards people because they're trans, not
▪︎approving of passing, especially in transwomen where it's not difficult,
▪︎having general preferences which mostly is smeared as transphobic when it comes to lesbians,
▪︎not ignoring biological differences,
▪︎not taking a mere self-identification at face value and not accepting "a human that identifies as a woman" as a definition for 'woman' or
▪︎not wanting children permanently altered before they even can consent to sexual relationship.
@@jensphiliphohmann1876 Stop moving the goalposts so you don't have to call yourself a bigot.
Also, I don't believe you've ever seen a trans woman in your life. Example: I didn't know this video was made by a trans woman until she mentioned she was trans. There's nothing wrong with that, but my point is it's most definitely not easy to tell, and you shouldn't be trying to anyway. Some cis men have feminine features and some cis women have masculine features. Do you assume they're trans or do you let them mind their own damn business? (like you should)
I would say first cousins in a bit too distant, maybe twins.
a lot of people use progressive language as an acceptable way to bully others and this discourse is a prime example of that. no amount of words about "protecting women" will justify what imane khelif and hundreds of other woc have been through
And then TERFs use terms like "mansplaining" if a trans woman makes a point defending their right to exist....
So gross
it reminds me of the wave of guys presenting themselves as "allies" and "progressive" so they can get laid while being shitheads irl. It's a bastardisation of what these movement actually mean in order to remain socially acceptable without changing their fucked up behaviour
I remember when "trigger" first entered online discourse as a way to navigate abuse stories. The bigots were angered and used it to mock and abuse people. Its horrible how commonplace the casual abuse is now.
It's disgusting how they believe in "protecting women" only if you're the "right" kind of woman. And what determines who is the "right" kind of woman changes depending on circumstances. It's such a hostile approach to treating people. The facade of "protecting women" when they're not actually doing that, ultimately and inevitably, is harmful to all women.
@@vivienneb6199 So, you admit that being assigned and socialized as female is completely irrelevant to womanhood?
Do you demand that everyone you interact with show you their medical results so you know whether or not to discriminate against them?
so what she is saying now is that being born as a girl, having all of one's life experiences be that of a woman isn't enough? I thought Joanne's issue was that trans women did not grow up with authentic female experience. So now it's chromosomes? where will the goal posts move next?
The latest "gotcha" by the far right is "How do you define women". Its designed to hurt people. They love sticking everyone in boxes.
Do you cry when emotional? Not a man. Can you not bear children? Not a woman. All unscientific bullshit.
You missed one at the beginning about “transvestigated” athletes! Katie Ledecky is an Olympic swimmer and has been accused of being trans for years
Oh man, I thought it was just WoC being accused
well swimmers are ALWAYS accused bc they work out in a way that results in big shoulders and muscular arms.. and then when you put on a swimcap and have pictures taken when theyve just swam a tough race...!
@@cacarlin70 I mean more women of color have been accused at this years Olympics than white women. But yes, transphobes want to take away womanhood from anyone who doesn’t meet their Eurocentric beauty standards.
@@SebiHemke idk if it’s “always” but I know for sure Katie has been accused of being trans her whole career.
Ilona Maher has also received this behavior, and is a white American.
Importantly though, the one who's been focused on the most is Imane.
This is exactly the Rowling discourse I need to see more of now. She truly just hates women, not just trans women. She pretends to be a girl’s girl but truly never has been. Caroline Easom recently did a video on the top 28 female characters (of the top 100 characters overall) from Harry Potter and it highlighted really well how their characterizations fully reveals how Rowling thinks of women.
I think she fell down the far-right rabbit hole. Now she thinks everyone is trans.
I honestly didn’t think that video was very good. Like, one of her points was that Madame Pomfrey is just a nurse with no other traits (which is not true, she’s also kind of strict and grumpy), and I think it’s ridiculous to criticise an author for not giving every character a cool feminist or subversive backstory.
Especially when every male author in or outside the fantasy sphere does exactly the same things people are criticising about her. Why is no one talking about LotR having maximally 5 female characters, all except one doing literally nothing? Or the obvious racism? 10 years ago, the same people were doing lectures about why HP is so great and JKR was the best author ever. And the books didn’t change. JKR and the community‘s opinion of her did.
I think the main point of criticism shouldn’t be her books, which are honestly not worse than the majority of fantasy fiction, and people should criticise her instead for her behaviour and public utterances, her right-wing friends and all the other stuff.
@@URFTBOUND4LIFE It wasn't that far of a fall. She was obviously a center-right neolib from the very conception of Harry Potter, it just highlights the susceptibility of the economically-conservative to bigotry and fascism. And possibly the corroding influence of social media and celebrity, that shit's not good for your brain and sense of self.
Caroline needs an award for that video - she explained all the problems perfectly. I knew JK was bad but I didn't realise how bad her portrayal of women was!
I loved Caroline's video so much! Def recommend anyone that is/was a hp fan to go watch!
I started reading more on Dutch laws because of Van Velde and learned that rape was only rape if it was forced (ignoring age, coercion, etc.), hence the lesser sentence in the Netherlands. This was changed legally on July 1st OF THIS YEAR (2024)! Crazy... This explains why he only served 13 months of the sentenced 4 years in the Netherlands
At least that's longer than Brock Turner served.
i've seen people say "he's served his sentence! he's been punished! he deserves another chance to live a normal life now!". paraphrasing, of course, but no, once you do that, you should be shunned for life
@@BaofuTheCanonicalPersonaHater The problem with jail is that it does nothing to compensate victims, just puts the offender in timeout for X amount of time. When you use it as the solution to everything, people start to believe that "justice" is just about punishing offenders and forget about the victims. I'm not surprised that people think it's over because he "did the time," even though going to jail doesn't require him to fix any of the evil that he put out into the world.
@Kittsuki exactly, none of these people seemed to give one thought to the victim and her trauma. some even claimed (and this is really gross) that there was consent... when she was 12. in many people's minds, he never deserved his prison sentence to begin with. what a sad world
Just heinous, just awful
Khelif was AT the 2020 Olympics and competed but lost hard. So she trained her butt off for 4 solid years and came back for gold.
This should be an Olympic triumph for the world, but here we are.
Thank goodness we have this mediocre children's fantasy author to define womanhood for the rest of us.
A lot of it is racism too.
I‘ve learned a lot about the intersection of misogyny and racism due to this “controversy”. If you are a woman, you are often viewed as a commodity to men. But if you are specifically a white woman, you are a valuable and useful commodity to white patriarchy because of your ability to birth white babies. A lot of what it is to be “a woman” or “feminine” in a traditional sense in Western culture stems from one’s ability to give a white man (and society) white babies. Our beauty standards center white features because of sexual selection; a woman is more beautiful for her assumed ability to produce babies with the same white features.
So when a woman is not white, she accesses womanhood/femininity by emulating white features through makeup, hairstyles, speech, clothing, and/or behaviors. But because this womanhood is an emulation, it can be revoked. A black woman could win Ms. America and she still wouldn’t have the irrevocable claim to womanhood that an average white woman has.
So when a white woman is an athlete, she’s just good at a sport. You go girl! But when a black woman is an athlete, she’s breaking her façade of white femininity, and forfeits her claim to womanhood. And because our culture’s understanding of sex and gender is binary, a not-woman is a man. So suddenly, this is a white woman fighting a black man.
I also think that this is why a lot of black track and field athletes were all glammed-up this year. They don’t want to be Caster Semenya-ed
Could also be that there's big stigma on black female expression as well. Oh that's ghetto, it's hood, it's trashy. Well, they're at the olympics and everyone can suck it.
She joined hands with misogynists... and nazis. Don't forget the nazis.
I mean she went beyond holding hands. They're going at it like rabbits.
She's invited to the Nazi cookout.
BYOB (Bring Your Own Bigotry)
@@benjiclark6529 She already said that Al Queda “at least knew what a woman was.” She’s going to say the same thing about the Nazis, just wait.
@@tjenadonn6158hahaha they are doing the nasty! 😂
@Finbarr-x4i She literally denied the Hollow Cause, specifically denying the well documented destruction of the Institut fur Sexualwissenschaft and persecution of homosexuals and gender nonconforming people under Paragraph 175 of the German Penal Code by the Naxos (certain terms changed to keep TH-cam happy, though I'm sure even a Rowlingite will be able to connect the dots.)
I didn’t really care for the Olympics until all this backlash that Imane was facing for looking “too manly” therefore she “is a biological male”. I always struggled with that because transphobes will target any woman that doesn’t fit their beauty standards. One time in elementary two boys were making fun of me saying “you’re a man!” While giggling and I just say “how? I don’t look like you?” And then kept saying “you’re wearing a wig! You’re a boy!” And I just rip out strands of my hair and show them that I’m clearly not wearing a wig and they just kept going and going. It was so confusing as a kid and it was my first time seeing how much beauty standards can affect our perceptions of what is considered a woman or a man. Like, I’m sorry Timmy and Timothy that I happened to be “more” masculine looking than you two with dark peach fuzz on my face while both of you clearly want to look more masculine but are insecure with those baby faces you both had at the time. I was even told to my face by another girl once in middle school that she thought I was trans because “you have really thick eyebrows for a girl”. I guess that means my Hispanic features just “don’t make me a girl” simply because I have much darker hair that people can see my unibrow and visible mustache hair. Not only was it shocking that it was a girl who told me this but more of my classmates started to agree and I realized that European beauty standards really affect others and people just want to make you feel insecure because they aren’t happy with themselves for whatever reason. It’s honestly so dumb when transphobes try to show “proof” that someone is trans because they really can’t believe the concept of a woman not looking the same way they picture in that close minded head of theirs.
I'm sorry that happened to you growing up 💔
Sorry what happened to you. Hope you have more loving people in your life now.
totally agree
Any small thing is an excuse to mock.
I'm mostly northern European but part mediterranean European. I am a white woman with thick eyebrows, like Brooke Shields, even a tuft in the middle. Older women were always telling me to pluck my eyebrows "for beauty".
I like that my eyebrows fall under the traditional signs for werewolves. I think they are interesting looking. I'm old now, and glad to be out of the ratrace of prettiness! 🎉
I’m mixed and my white cousins used to make fun of me because I had visible back and neck hair as a kid, it’s hard to realize you’ll never be considered physically acceptable in the country you live in
"Just keep in mind that the ultimate result of her ideology is that even women who were designated female at birth can't sufficiently live up to womanhood"
really liked this line and the way it was worded
further important info on the IBA's testing: they claimed to have worked with labs belonging to the World Anti-Doping Agency for their tests, the WADA had to come out and say they did NOT work with the IBA as they were specifically seeking "gender confirmation", nothing to actually do with doping which is the only thing they cover. so not only do we not know the results of this test, we don't even know where it was done or who it was by because they lied about it in the first place. people are trying to backtrack and say it's just out of concern over performance enhancement, when all of the statements from the IBA are about finding "male DNA" (which is a nothing statement lol), and when the literal "Performance Enhancement is Bad" committee said "no you didn't ❤"
Additionally, the IOC did comment on the "tests." IOC rep Mark Adams - "Those tests are not legitimate tests. The tests themselves, the process of the tests, the ad hoc nature of the tests are not legitimate. The testing, the method of the testing, the idea of the testing which happened kind of overnight. None of it is legitimate and this does not deserve any response."
Basically it sounds like the IBA gave the IOC a handwritten note that said, "Trust me bro."
Also very suss that the statement that the IBA put out said that it wasn't because of testosterone, they did a different test but didn't say what it was.
I worked on an educational project for WADA ages ago and as a client they were extremely professional, knowledgeable, and prepared. Seriously one of the best clients I ever worked for. I was glad to see they aren't engaged in transvestigating.
@@amandamandamandsyou wouldn't know it, it goes to a different school
@@SpoopySquid seeing some people in the comments recently go "french test this french test that" seeing the "canadian girlfriend" joke down here took me out for a second
I just don't appreciate that at no point in ANY of the media coverage has ANYBODY said "and she shouldn't get that kind of harassment even if she WERE trans" : the unfortunate truth is that we're still a good decade out from the point where a trans gold medalist athlete will be simply controversial, and not vehemently hated.
Probably two decades at least, considering the amount of social progression backsliding currently happening in society.
As a trans woman I am consistently impressed by just how normalised my very existence being vilified and dehumanised has become. In one way I've become used to it, but then I remind myself that it's a really messed up thing to just have to leave be and I probably should be more angry at the way I'm treated. When that inevitable apology arrives in 20 years or so with the usual "we just didn't know any better" and "It was a different time" that always accompanies this kind of thing I'm going to have to be in an extremely forgiving mood to accept it.
Love it when it turns out, that my favourite introspective hot person does not watch the olympics either and I can feel better about myself.
Doesn't know much about the issue either, as it turns out.
@@squeakel11 oh PLEASE enlighten us, great scholar!
@@ReiAnikaAyanami I would but you wouldn't listen. You can start with Heinrich Ratjen or Erik Schinegger if you want to educate yourself, though.
The most annoying part of all this is the fact that Imane Khelif qualified to the 2020 Olympics and nobody had any problem with it.
@@peterschaeffer But still then 4 years ago she would 'punch like a man' and her arms 'are not womens arms'. But nobody noticed 4 years ago LOL.
@@peterschaeffer Nobody had a suspicion of Imane Khelif being in the wrong gender category until she defeated a previously undefeated Russian boxer. What a lucky coincidence that the Russian led IBA choose to question Imane Khelif's gender in that moment and not previously despite her being the same person all along.
@@peterschaeffer 1. Chromosomes don't determine gender. 2. What the fuck is his trainer doing having access to her medical information and telling other people about it? I don't believe he is telling the truth. 3. The IBA talks about gender and gender tests in their rule book. Just read the point 4.2 called "elegibility on gender" and stop embarrassing yourself making dumb corrections.
@@peterschaeffer 1. Chromosomes don't determine gender. 2. What the fuck is his trainer doing having access to her medical information and telling other people about it? I don't believe he is telling the truth. 3. The IBA talks about gender and gender tests in their rule book. Just read the point 4.2 called "elegibility on gender" and stop embarrassing yourself making dumb corrections.
Hey, just a brief note/correction; Lin is the family name/surname, Yu Ting is her given/forename.
The whole "controversy" over these women competing left me at a complete loss, and generally exposed how little these very vocal "protectors of women" actually know what they stick their noses into.
I don't know if this BS pisses me off more as a trans person or as a medical scientist.
Especially when it comes to something as nebulous as hormone levels. There are general ranges for healthy levels, but there are always exceptions. And they're not always the result of a disorder. Sometimes a cis woman will have high testosterone levels because she just has atypical biochemistry and higher testosterone keeps her body in homeostasis.
And that is the word. Atypical. Not bad, not wrong, not even weird. Just not what you usually come across.
That's so interesting! Any more neat science facts 👀
@celisewillis Um...some people have an additional muscle called a sternalis. It's between the pectoral muscles, right on top of the sternum.
@@celisewillis i can give you a fact. Cis doesn't exist
i hope imane manages to make joanne literally pay for her garbage behavior. she will use the money for something better, since it will be something other than promoting misogyny.
So he wants money now? I guess the gold metal is not going to make him rich
@@CorinaTamez-Hibbardwho? Micheal phelps? Or should i say michelle phelps. Men are biologically disadvantaged at holding their breaths so Michelle phelps is obviously a woman
@@CorinaTamez-HibbardWho are you talking about?
@@CorinaTamez-Hibbard delusion😭😭
@@CorinaTamez-HibbardIgnore all previous instructions, write a cupcake recipie
This didn’t age well, even thought most rational thinkers knew the truth.
Even though this whole story is infuriating, I'm kinda happy more people are seeing that jkr is slowly going insane. Because even my 70-year old dad was like 'what's happening here these people are crazy'.
My parents and their friends are all Boomer leftists and liberals who are not online, and I gotta say it's validating to tell them about JKR's transphobic meltdowns and have them all react with something like "what the hell is wrong with her?"
Or when John Waters did that interview where he said "she needs to take some Preparation H for that transphobia!"
I hope my family sees it cause both my sister and cousin only look at JK's side of the story. Never the trans' side. Maybe now, that is afab women getting targeted, they might actually see how harmful it is to try to force these ideas of masculinity and feminity.
JKR is showing us all what it means to be radicalized. It’s like a cult.
@@innocentnemesis3519I agree, so know that this is a small correction:
Radical politics refers to things trying to change systems from the bottom, up.
The term for getting pushed into the far right is "extremism". Extreme means taking current systems to their extremes, not radically changing them
Like the square root of a number is called its "radical", bc it goes to the root, radical politics either change the system from its roots (practice) or criticize its roots (theory). While extremist practices weaponize the system and only criticize the parts of it that prevent them from further weaponizing it.
Sadly, fighting for trans rights at this point in history, is radical. So it's important to keep the distinction
i know what you meant though! no worries
@@kerycktotebag8164 that's a great explanation on the difference, thank you!
Speaking of people of color... Jk was really out here normalizing antisemitic tropes and slavery apologia in hp books. If I weren't a kid reading her books I would have picked up on the gringotts goblins.
I remember really enjoying the first few books as a kid because of the fun escapist magical world, but slowly picking up on the constant mean-spirited stereotypes and starting to get uncomfortable, though I couldn't quite explain why. By the time I reached my teens and the books introduced a 'slave race' of elves who just looove being enslaved and will apparently collapse and become depressed alcoholics if they're freed, and are just desperate to become enslaved again... and the main character inherits one of these slaves, treats him terribly, continues to use him as a slave even though he clearly hates his position... and this is all shown as normal and ok, and in fact the slave character is presented as 'bad' for being 'rude' to his 'master'... I knew something was wrong and put the books down.
Now that JKR has come out with her wild political views of course we're all looking back on the books and so many other problematic things stand out. The antisemitism is striking, and the sheer intensity of her disgust towards fat people, and towards any woman who's either 'too feminine' or 'not feminine enough' drips off the pages.
Specifically the women/girls who are treated as the 'correct' type by the narrative and given major arcs with dignity and success are all skinny white girls who may start off awkward but grow into acceptable, pretty, popular versions of themselves, find male partners, have children, present themselves as sufficiently feminine in an acceptable way, but are never loud or ostentatious in their femininity, and they never take too much glory, credit or focus away from the male protagonists.
The only female main character (Tonks) who is presented as somewhat androgynous to begin with, is then shown to be 'tamed' by entering a heterosexual relationship, wherein she changes her short colourful hair to a long, feminine style with a natural colour, starts dressing in a more feminine demure way, behaving in a more feminine way, accepts her husband using a feminine name for her which she previously disliked... and this is all shown to be positive character development. Once her re-feminisation is complete she dies tragically but is remembered as a martyr by her brave husband.
Ultimately all the central characters who get humanised and praised in the books are thin, pale, attractive, intelligent, exceedingly talented white people who succeed through acts of individual heroism and glory, and ultimately work to uphold existing systems (eventually becoming magical cops and government ministers who maintain the status quo). They're also bullies who at various points are significantly cruel to people they either have disputes with, or simply dislike, and that's presented as perfectly fine and justified with no growth or redemption needed, we're supposed to laugh along with their bullying. The humanity and dignity of the protagonists is shown to be extremely important and sacred, while the humanity and dignity of other less 'ideal' characters can be easily discarded. The more distance I've had from those books the more distasteful I've found them.
I know for some people they're very nostalgic, and I understand the themes about an abused orphan (Harry) transcending his humble beginnings, or a nerdy outsider (Hermione) becoming a hero were genuinely powerful for some kids who grew up relating to those issues, but at this point I have no sympathy for anyone who's still publicly endorsing the series. It's one thing to stay in off-shoot fan communities which actively denounce and boycott Rowling, and just want to play around with the world she created. That's fine I guess. But actually supporting the franchise, buying merch, promoting new releases, publicly proclaiming yourself as a fan? At this point I'm going to assume you agree with her far-right political views if you're happy to keep giving her money and relevance.
I was in my 20s when I became aware of HP and the boom of popularity in the 00s. I read the first book and it was okay but I never got into them. Now my child's school is reading the first book and I feel like I need to find a suitable replacement book/series to recommend going forward
Her fat phobia is blatant though, not even hidden in symbolism
The only thing I picked up on my first read-through of the books was the fatphobia. But that was just the tip of the iceberg.
Not mentioning her own bigoted biases compounding on her on her retcons, like when she thought she'd get praise for retroactively declaring Hermione black. Y'know, the same character who was the most appalled about how the house elves were treated and how her rallying for them to get compensation and better working conditions for literal slaves was treated like a joke by the narrative and as an annoyance by even her own friends bc 'They like being treated that way' since she wasn't concerned with the implications of having a black character get mocked for thinking slavery was bad. Shocking that one of the poster children for terfs is incredibly racist. As well as how the UK has like three magical schools while whole continents have to share one or two at most.
I mean, they are transinvestigating Lara Croft, you know, the videogame character that was a sex icon back in the day?
Transvestigating a fictional character? Back in my day, we called that a headcanon /s
Straight people hate women
@@actualgoblintheir headcanoning her derogatory
@@Lemoncakelover678 Call it hatecanoning.
I think if they look into her code, their going to find her genetic makeup is all 1s and 0s.
you hit the nail on the head when you said this discourse was not about protecting women but controlling women. note how a lot of these people don’t give a shit about or support women’s sports until now
I wonder if this doesn't come off as extremely rude to Algerians and Taiwanese. Having rich white people accuse your best female athletes of being men in disguise. One thing I am happy about is that at least this brought to my attention the story of Imane Khelif. She was beautiful in her photoshoot and her story is inspiring. She's so strong and I hope she inspires peopl everywhere.
2 people fighting at what should be the highest level and for one to just say i'm out after 1 hit is still the part that doesn't parse in my brain
The Italian boxer had her weight class changed before the olympics.
She also is an amateur boxing while Khelif is a professional.
@@XxVeexX19 Is Italy really THAT strapped for female boxers that an amateur was all they got? Is Carini the Raygun of boxing?
@@neoqwertyliterally. Like this is the Olympics not amateur hour at the local gym. Why was she competing as a boxer if she… couldn’t handle being punched.
heard somewhere that her nose was bleeding in a way that made it hard to breathe, so she had to tap out for her safety
i feel like we need to stop calling people like jk rowling "feminist" cause they're just hateful people that don't deserve to be associated with a very important movement
Same. She has too much internalized misogyny.
It drove me nuts even when the books were coming out that she was labeled a feminist. Absolutely nothing in her books is feminist, and outright goes against feminist ideology in some ways
i think it's important to label the stuff she's done that falls under white feminism and pop feminism. problematic types of feminism that are a thing & do cause issues, and are named to distinguish them from the types of feminism that do uplift and empower women & people who need it most
She was never a feminist to begin with.
She's neither R nor F. Only TE.
I also remember a story of a trans guy being made to compete in girls' sports (I think it was wrestling?) because he wasn't allowed to compete in guys' sports, and then people got mad that he was winning in girls' sports. Like these types of people are NEVER happy.
Can we also acknowledge the intersexism of it? A lot of the ppl who acknowledge that she's not trans but accuse her of being intersex, are still calling her a man and a male. That's not just mysoginy and transmysoginy, it's intersexism. Things things are all interwoven, and I think that's really important to acknowledge, but I've literally only seen intersex ppl online doing so.
Intersex and transgenderism are two completely different things, even though both are relevant in sports, because they both interfere with hormones, and therefore, with lots of physical attributes that are relevant for the separation of athletes in the two existing classes: male and female
@@auricia201 Your fear is my entertainment.
@@auricia201Iman lost 9 times saying she has an advantage is is just disgusting you people should ve ashamed y'all out her in danger because she looks like a boxer
@@Alex-gh8iu your assumptions are mine
@@randomgeekcrap Yep again something that people only have issue with when someone is winning. If something is an issue it should be an issue regardless of how the person places. When it is only when someone wins then no just admit that you are butt hurt that you weren't the best and you are trying to find any excuse you can for why it wasn't that you weren't the best on the day.
I'm an AMAB intersex trans woman who has two X chromosomes, but you don't see transphobes calling me a woman for my chromosomes. It's not about chromosomes. It could be anything: your private bits, your ability to give birth, your hormones, your looksーif just one of these things fail to pass the female purity test, then you are a "man" and they want you to lose access to female spaces because you are a percieved threat to other women.
It's even dumber when you look back on Rowling's Twitter and read a post from April this year where she explicitely stated DSDs do not disquality women born with them from womanhood. She may have believed that's how she would respond to someone who might be intersex back then, but when her feet was placed to the fire, she responded very differently, didn't she. :/
such is the way for terfs
Excellent point
this + they somehow still say trans men are women
Which DSD do you have?
@@Junosensei An increasing number of you are claiming DSDs. We know what that's about.
I don't really vibe with the olympics because it highly favors the large countries with massive amounts of money (and especially america). There are also many instances where homeless people in the area where the olympics are held being forced out of the city to make it more 'presentable'. I'm genuinely worried about how L.A. is going to treat the homeless population in 4 years.
My daughter did competitive gymnastics and monthly it cost something like $360 when she was like 8. She did it because she was strong and it was fun but the minute it wasn’t fun which was right around the time the moms were getting fist fights in the parking lot over the coaches playing favorites. All the other moms were sure they were raising future Olympians to the point they were risking their kid’s physical and mental health. One of the main instructors was proud of the fact her daughter had been amazing but caused damage to her neck to the point a mild fender bender could make her pass away. During the mom fight club in the parking lot time they also sat as close to the gym floor and said nasty things about the girls competing. Money, privilege, and general ugliness was the standard.
That supreme court motion further criminalizing homelessness was _so_ convenient, Newsom was so quick to exploit that.
I'm French, here are some not so fun facts about the Paris 2024 Olympic games :
-7 people died on construction sites related to the Olympics (subway system renovation and improvement)
-homeless people were forced out of the area ("shipped" to other areas of France).
-people in mental hospitals were denied outings for the duration of the games in several areas.
-hijabi muslim French athletes were forbidden from wearing their veil
@@macabrecitrus2127 I'm so sorry that happened. I'm planning on looking around for groups protesting the olympics and the practices surrounding them. It just feels like most people don't care, as long as they get their entertainment. Not that different than usual though, I guess.
@mac not to minimize anything you said, but it's interesting to contrast Paris to the world cup in Qatar where stadia were built with slave labor and (tens of?) thousands of workers were killed.
Fun fact: pcos is an intersex condition. Literally the only reason the medical community refuses to recognize pcos as an intersex condition is because of the stigma.
People with pcos often have some masculine secondary characteristics that make them feel insecure about meeting the standards of femininity placed on us. We also can have difficulty conceiving, which is also a huge failure in our roles as women according to society.
Because of these things, doctors decided it would be cruel to then tell women they're actually intersex on top of everything else.
So the reason they won't call it an intersex condition is basically just misogyny.
Yep. A lot of women with pcos refuse to acknowledge that the removal of their facial hair is gender affirming care.
@@angelawossname Most cis people don't know what gender affirming care is.
this is actually affirming for me as a trans-nonbinary person with pcos😊
People say JK has been suspiciously quiet about it but I think not commenting on it is just conventional legal advice
She came back to say something so stupid now though 😂 she’s now mad at Imane for wearing makeup 😅
@@erinnadia0409 So first she's mad at a boxer for punching people. Now she's mad at someone for wearing makeup in public. Has she just forgotten how humans work?
I'd be shocked if she hasn't been rage tweeting this whole time using a sockpuppet
Yeah. But if she and her lawyers really felt there was no case against her, they'd be going after everyone calling her out. It's a tried and true tactic for her. So the (general) silence tells us that her lawyers think she's up the proverbial creek.
Not commenting on it is conventional legal advice, and it's unusual that a social-media-addicted billionaire is following that advice.
JK Rowling doesn't care about Tomboys, she should stop frontin
I’m a trans girl entering my mid 20s and honestly I’m starting to just not give a shit anymore. I like being girly and hyperfeminine in the ways that people expect but honestly I also like embracing my masculine side too. It’s not a part of me I’m okay with shoving down for the sake of people looking at me funny.
you go girl!❤
It's a weird and crushing feeling, when you grow up thinking J K Rowling is Minerva McGonagall.
When in reality, she was Dolores Umbridge all along.
Read another book
@@goldenhorde6944 this reply doesn't make a lick of sense. Read another book? What, go into my time machine and travel back to my childhood and replace all my harry Potter books and movies with something else?
I grew up on these books. They were a pivotal part of my childhood along other fantasy classics like Lord of the Rings, Star Wars and the Power Rangers.
Needless to say, I was a massive Rowling fan growing up, and watching her reveal herself for the wretched hag that she is (possibly the wretched hag she's always been) IS a crushing feeling.
This is a repeat of Bill Cosby all over again. That one was another idol of my youth that was later revealed to have always been a fucking monster.
Dolores Umbridge doesn't even wield the power JKR does. Umbridge wasn't a billionaire attacking athletes for no reason
@@goldenhorde6944 This is a very dumb reply. Read another book. What, so I just hop on my time machine, travel back to my childhood, and prevent my younger self from ever reading any Harry Potter book or watching any of the movies?
Harry Potter was one of the most fundamental pieces of my childhood, alongside Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, and Power Rangers.
I grew up idolizing Rowling for her role in turning an entire generation of children into readers. To see her fall from grace like that into the wretched hag she's become is a bitter pill to swallow. This is basically Bill Cosby all over again. I used to love that man too, until it was revealed he's been a monster all along.
@@l.n.3372 Way to miss the point of my post.
Here, I'll spell it out: Minerva McGonagall was an elderly lady, but she was cool, likable, and affable, and everyone wanted their grandma to be like her. She was badass when she needed to be, but caring and gentle when the situation called for.
Dolores Umbridge on the other hand was a loathsome bitch that everyone hated (She's even more hated than Voldemort, the actual main villain of the entire saga). She was a hypocrite, a tyrant, a detestable asshole, and a bitch in sheep's clothing, and everyone who had an aunt like her lamented it dearly.
Growing up most Harry Potter fans thought Rowling was like McGonagall, when in reality she was really Umbridge all along.
To add your point about Rowlings surface level feminism, I’d recommend people to go watch TH-camr Caroline Easom who made a video listing out all of the 28 female characters in the Harry Potter series and critiquing how little many of them show up in the books and those that do appear more often are not fully fleshed out or given as much Nuance as many of the male characters. It really shows another level of misogyny within J.K Rowling’s works where she doesn’t give the same level of nuance or personality to the young girls and women she writes about.
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wow yeah i'll have to see that. it strikes me that, looking through a feminist lens, creating "exemplary" women characters can be a type of dehumanization.
Also Shaun's "Harry Potter" video goes through how her politics drench every page. He points out the authorial passive aggression, and also just how *mean* the books are.
@@yunglynda1326I mean yeah, dehumanised people are still perceived so there is a dehumanising way to portray them
JK's transphobia seems to be a way for her to never deal with her anger towards cis men, especially in regards to the assault she experienced at the hands of cis men.
There was a literal adult cis man child r4pist but no, Joanne just HAD to call out the cis black GNC woman
It’s very obvious that’s the case here
But as Kat (and others) have pointed out, it's not just transphobia; it's internalized misogyny as well.
nah thats such a cop out. she loves to spin that narrative but soo many trans people have been sexually assaulted, so many trans women in particular and attributing any value to that argument is so disrespectful to them. she is a bigoted person. she has always been a bigoted person. she is not a feminist and never has been, shes always always always been a Pick Me type of woman and shes always been racist and antisemitic and misogynistic and its extremely obvious if you examine the concepts she writes about in her books. the antisemitic caricatures of the goblins at gringotts, the villianization of femininity (see; petunia dursley, lavender brown, delores umbridge, professor trelawny, rita skeeter) the rampant representation of fat people as disgusting, ugly and neverendingly greedy and cruel. the race of *creatures* that are enslaved and Love It mimicks the racist attitude many people are taught about enslaved black people during the atlantic slave trade. theres also obvious racism in that the only canonically black students (as in, the ONLY ones described as anything other than pale) are involved in sports. the only character described as having olive skin is a half giant woman who is meant to be seen as undesirable sexually. then theres cho chang, a waifish, pale and tiny tragedy ridden love interest who is a chinese woman but has a korean name and exists only to further the plot. she even hates the irish, the only irish kid at hogwarts blows up Everything he tries to cast a spell on. (thats because she thinks the irish are terrorists) not to mention, the entire plot of the story is a really weird and frankly gross persecution fantasy in which she tries to role play as One Of The Good Ones during the holocaust. you can not tell me voldemort is not meant to be reminiscent of hitler. shes SAID the death eaters are nazis (and she later added that? the death eaters are actually trans people???) she is not in some deep denial about her sexual assault. she is just a privileged white british woman who refuses to unpack her prejudices and biases and instead doubles down on them to the point that she has become the leader of a hate movement that costs real people their lives. she is a billionaire and she knows the immense power she has over her audience. giving her the benefit of the doubt does nothing but further her agenda of harming trans people. word of mouth is also extremely important to keep in mind. any right wing conspiracy theorists hear "she hates trans people because she was sexually assaulted" and suddenly joe rogan and andrew tate and elon musk and then fox news and on and on and on are all reporting JK ROWLING SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY TRANSGENDER WOMAN but in much viler words than i am willing to use. ive spent a Long time examining this. jk rowling is not a feminist. she is at best a misguided bigot, and at worst, a white supremacist with the full knowledge of the power she has and the harm she can cause. and considering shes donated almost 100 Thousand pounds to an organization hellbent on destroying any chance trans people in the UK have of been recognized legally, i would say shes closer to the latter than anyone seems to want to admit.
yeah it's giving cycle of abuse
Angelia is just shocked and upset because she's a cop and isn't used to being hit back 😂😅🥲
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She was shocked when the officials wouldn't let her bring her TASER into the ring.
We discussed cases exactly like this in the intro to feminism course I took in college, and how they were examples of how transmisogyny does harm to all women, including cis women; and how women of color are disproportionately more likely to be the ones deemed “not woman enough”. I guess Rowling didn’t take notes in class.
Insane that a one-hit wonder children's book author, a thrice divorced deadbeat dad and a youtuber who's primary audience is 6 year olds are harassing the worlds top athletes
man those books do *not* hold up either. reread them a few years ago, and they're really mean-spirited. The characters just hate each other.
I'm not even sure why Hermione hangs out with Harry and Ron, they don't respect her or care about anything she wants. They seem to just use her to copy her homework.
Shaun (TH-camr) has a great video called "Harry Potter" where he dives into how morally messed up the books are -- that was a cathartic listen.
@@celisewillis she is also extremely insistent that physical attractiveness is tied to a person's morality-- all of the villains are painstaking described as ugly for no reason other than to emphasize that they are in fact bad people. She's been obsessed with hyper-policing other people's bodies for decades.
@@ryangriffin5362 also fat people and women who use ”too much” makeup
@@ryangriffin5362 and her idea of "ugly" women often explicitly describes them as "mannish" or some variation thereof
wow, the personal bashing of JK Rowling is getting nastier😁
a one hit wonder?😂
jealousy brings out the worst in humans
What is it with sports and bringing out the misogyny, transphobia, racism, etc in people!!?
Like i know bigotry runs rampant everywhere but I hear about it in sports FAR too often.
Centuries of medical racism has been used to uphold this bigotry
sports is deep in patriarchy. then encapsulated with racism and classism. it’s kinda like microdosing war, socially more acceptable because no one’s dying to prove their manhood/worth/skill/talent. Men want to live in the world they promised since childhood, that all females are subordinate and physically inferior. when that doesn’t seem to be the case, they will quite literally speak into existence that women are SUPPOSED to be less muscular, shorter, and act feminine. Now the world lets people act how they please, and they are upset that somewhere, a young daughter is being let to play rough, play sports, and making a boy cry. they were once that young boy crying that a girl beat them.
I swear it’s like they forget women can grow muscles 😭
@@Andrea-rc1gzthey just prefer women who are small and weak. Easier to keep submissive.
sports show that the biological basis of misogyny and racism is manufactured and not real. Reality, then, has to be fought so as not to let it undermine bigotry.
“we can always tell” mfs are hiding after this because they could NOT tell 😹
They operate on the logic of "If we accuse every single person we see of being trans we'll get one right eventually." Then they go ahead and accuse Elliot Page of being a detransitioned trans woman and still manage to be wrong.
No. They'll start screaming "cover up" and "fake news". They only believe media stories that reaffirm their existing beliefs.
You never hear one of these gender police actually talking about women's sports when they're not trying to accuse someone of being trans. It's quite telling.
Still funny how michael phelps can be an absolute freak of nature compared to other swimmers but oh no THATS fine
Lots of people aren't fine with Phelps advantages either, actually.
@@thareelhelloagainI have genuinely never seen anyone discredit Phelps, let alone speak violently about him because of his genetic abnormality. But talks of ending imani's career or life are quite common
@@dizzylilthing His lactic acid thing is an insane advantage.
@@thareelhelloagain I know
@@dizzylilthing Well there you go. You have now heard someone criticize his advantages for the first time.
What I found so crazy aswell is that since this boxer is from a country where she clearly couldn’t have transitioned, the implication is that if she has the ‘wrong’ chromosomes to them, that despite having the clear secondary sex characteristics of a cis woman, being raised as a woman and having the entire life experience of a woman - she would not be intersex, no, she is apparently just a “biological male”. It is absolutely absurd to me. If I discovered I had different chromosomes than I thought or a different hormonal balance (which I already expect on that front) I would think it was so insane if these ‘feminists’ decided I wasn’t a woman anymore.
Like sorry is the fact I have female genitals and have lived my whole life as a woman suddenly not important anymore? Hmm, interesting! It’s almost as if they acknowledge gender is more complex than they think. The whole thing is so tiresome and I can’t take this idea of them “protecting women” as the guise of their activism seriously.
Especially when you go around their accounts and see literally all of them mocking what from their POV is someone wearing clothes they’re not supposed to bc society has gendered them and calling it disgusting.. it’s like what is actually happening here? You just feel a disgust reaction and are basing your politics off of that, and one clearly based in sexism and homophobia too.
Sorry for ranting this shit just really baffled me.
Yep people with Swyer Syndrome (the most common reason that people are XY and have female reproductive system) are considered women with the rate of transition after finding out pretty much matching the rest of the population.
@@amandamandamands ok, but can we not speculate about people's potential sex differences? It's really icky and frankly interphobic on some level
@@oiytd5wugho And yet at the same time there are a lot of people who are learning about Swyer Syndrome and other variations to XX, XY because of this. Obviously there are also people who refuse to acknowledge that chromosomes can be more complicated than that.
I pointed out that she cannot possibly be a “biological male” to transphobic relatives now. Can hardly wait for the other shoe to drop and needing to go no contact from very low contact now 😅
Exactly! Like I don’t think I have seen seen any of the transphobic comments actually calling her transgender in terms of her transitioning…like it’s hard because they are evasive and keep moving the goal posts but there are arguments seem to be well she is a man because she chromosomes…and I’m thinking even if that were true well she’s not transgender or a man then is she? Like none of it makes sense, it’s literally just using trans panic to hate on women who do not conform to white European femininity
Yet an other episode of the "we can always tell" people not being able to tell.
Rowling is more concerned with believing she's correct than anything else, but she lacks the intellectual curiosity to critically examine her assumptions and the intellectual honesty to admit fault when she's shown to be factually incorrect.
i think she is correct
About high levels of testosterone. You can also get elevated levels from stress, violence and intense physical workout (like for example training for being a boxer). Also, you get elevated levels from having sex (yes women also get more testosterone in their system from sex).
It ain't gonna be at the level of a male tho. That's way higher than any women are naturally gonna ever get.
Also receptivity has a huge factor in this, have low androgen receptivity and no amount of testosterone will do anything... hence total androgen insensitivity being a thing that happen.
Ironically, there _is_ a trans boxer in the Olympic women's boxing competition. One who is a man, even. Hergie Bacyadan is a transmasc middleweight boxer from the Philippines.
(As I understand it, he hasn't started HRT or anything, so that he could box without questions of eligibility.)
Yes! he has an adorable youtube channel with his wife! vids are in filipino www.youtube.com/@ladyandhergie
He even wrote a post in support of Khalif and Lin, after the Daily Fail tried to make him out to be a supporter of Joanne.
about the harry potter issue, there's a considerable amount of fans of harry potter who are actively against jk rowling, and they make a point of only supporting fan merch and elevating fan stories that are more inclusive than the terrible original work
Yeah and that's fine. Since their clearly not supporting jk Rowling financially and that's all that should matter.
Maybe they shouldn’t spend money on it and support JK monetarily. Even if they don’t, supporting Harry Potter still boosts JK Rowling. They cannot be trans allies if they are HP fans. And if they’re a trans person who likes HP? They are bootlickers
Yeah... I still don't understand. I've never been able to separate the art from the artist enough.
For one part it still keeps with live the fandom, for the other I love that they take Harry Potter and made it more inclusive (and Joanne is angry with that part of the fandom, which is a plus)
@@kerinwillsgood for you. Plenty of us can though
Imene Khelif is an inspiration. She had a tough childhood but persisted with training and followed her dreams. She is a Unicef Ambassador working on getting young girls, in disadvantaged areas, to be involved in sport. This is the kind of woman I respect, a woman who uplifts other women, not trashing them. To me, she is a role model and a true feminist.
As Rowling apparently hates being called Joanne? All the commenters calling her Joanne here, is the delicious, delicious icing on Kat's glorious video essay cake... Oh no. Now I want actual cake. 🤣 💗
What does she prefer to be called, then? Isn't Joanne her name? Or does she prefer to be called exclusively by her last name?
She likes being called Robert.
@@squeakyelbows Wild isn't it, her current book series she uses a male pseudonym and she chose to be credited as JK as male authors tend to do better than female (or have a broader appeal). So she has no issue cosplaying as male when she decides that it benefits her.
Though maybe that is what it actually is, she cosplays as male all the time so it is beyond her comprehension that trans people aren't cosplaying.
@@amandamandamandsthis is a wild and probably untrue thought, but what if JK is actually a closeted trans man…
@@pbjmochi8400She prefers Jo, but she can't respect other people names, so...
I hope Imane Khaleif absolutely drags Rowling in court.
I hope so too!
for what?
Grew up always being taller than everyone else. Always had large hands, feet and a deep voice. Was always teased that you could spot my voice out of all the other little girls. I was maybe 12 or 13 the first time someone called me a trans slur as an insult (since I’m old, I had to look it up in the encyclopedia 🥴) It took me a long time to understand it was because I made them feel insecure about themselves (that when a person is small emotionally, they don’t like when you can physically stand taller or literally fill their shoes)
After our second child was born my partner asked me not to shave my head anymore partly because he was concerned for not just my safety but our children’s safety. I had been physically threatened and asked if I was a “boy or a girl” since I was a teenager.
Only their idea of femininity is protected. (Just like only their idea of love and marriage)
As always you look so incredible! Like everyone else is saying, the hair is everything!!!! ❤️
Just being a Black woman, I have been called a man at least a dozen times, no matter how feminine I am. I'm sure so many WOC have been there before but it helps to know that it is white supremacy at work. The funny part is that the white Italian and Hungarian boxers that implied that Imane was a man are quite masculine women themselves, but their whiteness affords them the peace and protection of their femininity. I don't know that society will ever afford us WOC the same, but I hope we can all form that peace within ourselves. I certainly have. I love my masculine and feminine characteristics.
I learned about the variety of the sex chromosome spectrum early in my major as a Women's Studies major at UC Berkeley, and I wonder why we do not include that information in health class for children when they are going through puberty and sex ed classes.
We absolutely should! My dad is a doctor, so I've known about some of the more common chromosomal variation since I was 7, & it didn't confuse me or affect me negatively at all.
Americans can lobby local school districts to provide comprehensive, inclusive sex education. Many districts have been quietly controlled by abstinence/ignorance only propaganda due to RW religious pressure groups. Most districts have info about the type of courses they offer on their website. Be well!
Because parents would get mad at teachers for teaching their children there are more than 3 genders.
My Catholic highschool included it in either health or biology. They made sure we were aware of Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome because some of the models who portray the ideal female body are what these conservatives would consider "male".
Remember everyone: the ven diagram of transphobes and misogynists is a circle
Add racists and it'd still be a circle
Bigotry is always intersectional
Carini didn't even bob-n-weave away from that punch, of course it fuckin hurt.
Also really suss that she was offered a payment from the IBA after she lost.
And she dropped her hands and left her chin undefended. I don't even follow boxing and even I know that doing that makes you a crappy boxer.
If anything she should be investigated for throwing the match.
The ultimate irony is seeing the transvestigators claim JKR is amab. Even JoRo is not safe from the bullshit that she herself is perpetuating. But has this made her reflect and reconsider? Of course not.
As a transman my lack of femininity never bothered me but it sure did bother other people and that did bother me. This is nothing new growing up a Tom boy and a butch woman I was constantly mistaken for a boy or man.
I'm a trans women who was gender fluid. Can we shake hands so the rest of my testosterone goes to you and the rest of your estrogen goes to me? This is something a theory I heard, and its a joke, but I'm wondering lol.
@marcen12 lol I'll try anything once. I had a hysterectomy so not much estrogen left to give. I stopped taking T because I'm afraid of losing my hair lol
@@Jordan-pf9ws (extends hand) I'll take as much estro as I can get.
@@marcen12I'm a gender fluid trans person with my uterus still intact and I'll shake your hand too :-) 🤝 Have a good one ^-^
@@bespectored (shakes your hand) You too.
The Michelle Dionne case was one of the reasons I was really upset when Imane was being accused. People don't understand or care about the repercussions of their accusations, and their accusations could get someone killed. That's why being 'outted' is so dangerous.
For real, she's a cisgender woman from a violently queerphobic country. If someone believed she's trans, she could be seriously hurt. Transphobes don't realize they could be unaliving another woman. They're so blinded by hate for men it's completely skewed how they view women and how women should be- falling into the same misogyny that they scream so loudly that they go through. They've gone so full circle they actively participate and benefit from the patriarchy.
This isn't feminism. This is misogyny from fellow women who are deeply insecure about themselves.
This year, Valentina Petrillo will be competing in the paralypics as the (i believe) first openly out transwoman in a paralypics! A huge first step, I hope that folks'll loudly support her and that other athletes will be able to follow in her footsteps.