I think streaming did stop people from upgrading their DVDs to Blu-ray or 4K because they realized that resolution is not a major difference when it comes to the enjoyment of a film. Us who collect films we tend to buy the best resolution, but normal people just want to watch at the least price possible.
@@megamikethemovieman I think so, I am one of them. I got so tired of there being so many streaming services and the films I want to watch not being on the one I was subscribed to. It is super messy right now not to mention the price increases. So this year I cancelled all my streaming subscriptions and signed up to my library and I can stream movies for free and also downloaded Tubi TV, where I can stream movies for free. And I started to buy the films I love on bluray and DVD. It feels so freeing to just pop the case of a film you want to watch and just watch it whenever you want.
@@megamikethemoviemanI think the cheaper option will always be the most popular. I think 4k is to expensive and doesn't have as many people with a 4k player and 4k TV to get as much content as DVDs and Blu-ray do but I think physical media as a whole will be around for a while. (I personally try and get most content on Blu-ray)
A lot of people don't even pay attention to the quality of what they were watching. The people that still buy DVDs are the people that don't use streaming services. A lot of them are usually old, live somewhere without good internet, or both. Those people usually don't care about getting the highest quality, and just buy whatever is the cheapest.
I'd approach this slightly differently and also introduce another angle which I included in one of my previous posts when we talked about this but got deleted by the YT algo at the time. Whilst your pie chart at 1:25 shows the relative "market shares" of physical media sales it doesn't highlight the most important factor which is the "total size of the pie" is a mere fraction of what it would have been if streaming had not been a thing. Before services like Netflix got going, everyone rented physical media from their local family run video store or big chain Blockbuster...it was part of the culture. In the beginning the physical media was video tape, there was a brief "war" between the Betamax and VHS formats when video stores stocked both but VHS quickly won that war and Betamax got phased out entirely. For years everyone had a VHS player and they rented (and bought) movies on VHS. When DVD came out, the picture quality, features and convenience were a huge leap and it swiftly started replacing VHS in both rentals and sales...DVD became the "standard". Everyone owned a DVD player, everyone knew what a DVD was and everyone rented and bought them. "Economies of scale" meant that DVDs became incredibly cheap to produce and lead to huge profits. This was massive for the movie industry because a movie that didn't do well at the box office would get a 2nd chance on the home rental market and in many cases this lead to an (initially) unprofitable movie becoming very profitable indeed. This had the knock on effect of allowing movie companies to take more risks with their movie productions because they weren't so reliant on the box office receipts. When streaming came in people gradually started renting/buying less and less. Video stores like Blockbusters went out of business, sales in shops went down and movie companies started to feel the pinch and the risk...if a movie didn't do well at the box office then it didn't really get the same "2nd chance" to make money that it did before because of the pricing structure/setup of streaming. It was terrible for the industry overall but the average consumer was oblivious and didn't really care...as long as they could put Netflix on and watch something. If streaming hadn't taken off then Blu-ray would have gradually started to replace DVD as the "standard" (to this day I still find people who don't even know what a Blu-ray is !). Blu-ray/renting/owning would have become part of the culture and the "economies of scale" that came with DVD would have come to Blu-ray. Everyone would still be renting/buying, Blockbusters would still be a thing, the physical sales "pie" would be vastly bigger than it is, the movie industry would be much healthier and able to take more risks with productions that might not do so well at the cinema. Streaming, whilst convenient and sufficient for the average consumer, totally robbed Blu-ray of it's potential (and deserved) glory as well as severely damaging the movie industry as a whole.
DVDs can be 480p if they are film-source (or digital cinema-source, which is also 24 frames per second) and you have a "progressive scan" DVD player (which also requires a TV/monitor that can sync to at least ~31 KHz; pretty much all modern ones can, and well beyond that too). If the source is, e.g., NTSC video, which is natively 29.97 frames per second, interlaced, then the DVD will be strictly 480i. Some sitcoms from the 1970s-1990s were shot on NTSC video rather than film for example, so if you get any of those on DVD they are strictly 480i. Also, if the DVD is film-source but you don't have a progressive scan DVD player or a TV that can sync to ~31 KHz (traditional CRT TVs can only sync to ~15 KHz), it will only display as 480i.
max native resolution of dvds is 480p, upscaling make it looks "acceptable" but it's much worse than native 1080p and way more noticeable with native 2160p (4K)
@@vegetarey Great info. Still trying to understand the concept of native resolutions. Does it changed based on the movie itself on Max (how does all that work)?
@@megamikethemovieman Native resolution is the actual resolution of the video file on the disc. For DVDs it is 720 x 480 pixels. For Blu-rays it is 1920 x 1080 pixels, which is 6 times the resolution of DVDs. People sometimes use the word "native" to distinguish it from a display resolution. For example, you can watch a DVD on a 1920 x 1080 monitor, and you will see 2,073,600 pixels, but the video file only has 345,600 pixels because its native resolution is only 720 x 480. So the extra pixels you're seeing are created by the TV based on the native pixels using an algorithm/filters, which is known as "upscaling." On the other hand, if you play a Blu-ray on that same TV, the 2,073,600 pixels you see are all part of the video file because its native resolution is 1920 x 1080; none of them are created by the TV. Native 1920 x 1080 looks a lot better than 720 x 480 upscaled to 1920 x 1080, all else being equal.
Also another deal that attracts collectors is the fact that there are times when a movie is only on DVD in its original aspect ratio on DVDs from outside the US and the cheap bottom of the barrel line DVD players have secret menus that allow people to change regions easily to play DVDs that are region coded for overseas although there was a time when component DVD players could play all region PAL DVDs but combo decks couldn't play all region PAL discs but in the case of Blu-ray and 4K players sold in the US, you have to buy a modified player to play Blu-ray discs from outside the US. Most UHD 4K discs do not have region coding although there are a few that are region coded. US sold Blu-ray players can't play all region PAL DVDs unless they are modified. Examples of a movie you have to either get on old LaserDisc, Region 2 or 4 PAL DVD or Blu-ray are the 2 Grumpy Old Men movies, many children's movies such as the 1982 Annie musical, etc. There are US issued DVDs of the original American Tail movies that are 4:3 and others that use the widescreen prints and the Blu-ray issues are all widescreen.
Almost every movie I care about has already been released on Blu-ray, so those will be available for as long as I live. Even when they are no longer in production, they will still be easy to find on e.g., eBay. No one makes movies anymore that I care about, and they haven't for a long time, so I'm not even remotely concerned about the prospect of not being able to get recent or future movies on Blu-ray.
@@megamikethemovieman Most of the movies I own are from the 1980s (which is the decade I grew up in); some from the 1990s, and a few from the 1970s and earlier. I probably own less than 10 from the 21st century. No particular genre, but most of them are action, sci-fi, and comedies, plus a handful of horrors and westerns.
@@MaximRecoil Those are some great decades (I love the 80s and 90s too). 70s is definitely a decade I need to dive more into. Any where you recommend to start with the 70s? I feel like I’ve only seen a handful of the big ones like The Godfather and Texas Chainsaw.
@@megamikethemovieman A few of my all-time favorite movies are from the 1970s, but overall I don't care about many pre-1980s movies. My favorites are Rocky (1976), Rocky II (1979), Star Wars (1977), Superman (1978), Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979), Alien (1979), and Dirty Harry (1971). The Godfather (1972), The Exorcist (1973), and Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) are good, but not among my all-time favorite movies, so I don't own a copy of any of them.
Short answer I can think of is because DVDs being cheaper enables them to survive with lower physical storage format sales that still turn a profit as opposed to blu-rays, which are more expensive and didn't have as much exposure before video streaming took off. Blu-Rays at best are an incremental upgrade over DVDs, whereas DVDs were a fundamental medium shift from the more expensive and fickle/fragile media format of VHS video cassettes and had seven/eight years of uninterrupted dominance in the home video market before blu-rays and video streaming arrived around the same time in 2006-2007. Blu-Ray/4K discs and players tend to be the most expensive video format option, which when combined with cheap high-definition video streaming cuts into the value Blu-Rays could provide over DVDs.
At the time blu-ray was released, (like 2006) the format was very expensive, also the players, PS3 was one of the best players, but it was a very expensive console too. the Xbox 360 was cheaper, with more games, better performance and a more robust online service, overall it did better than PS3 at least the early years. By the time blu-ray was trying to become the standard format it was still expensive, streaming started with netflix and it was cheaper also available in HD (720p), imo blu-ray never stood a chance againts the rise of streaming/digital these days the vast majority of consumers already moved to streaming, i guess a small group of people with a force of habit keep buying dvds and collectors/enthusiasts will keep buying blu-rays and UHD blu-rays as long those are available
Blu rays aren't that much more expensive than a DVD, 4Ks are a different matter but those will eventually go down as well once they're not new releases anymore.
Also, in the case of movies filmed on nitrate film (e.g. films from the silent era until higher quality film stock became available) these require lots of digital remastering and due to the print issues, a lot of times, a DVD copy vs. Blu-ray copy may not be better quality for the average viewer but higher resolution transfers of these is recommended but as long as the DVDs of these are Criterion, Image Entertainment from the 1990s-2000s, Kino, Eureka in the UK, and other boutique transfers of these, or a major studio disc, these do display very well, even on an HDTV. I have seen the silent Phantom of the Opera on a bargain bin dollar DVD and the print is lousy, the Milestone/Image Entertainment or the Kino DVDs and Blu-rays are superior since these are professional restorations.
@@megamikethemovieman An example of a restoration that really makes a difference even to the average person that is not a silent film is the 1962 western epic How The West Was Won, which was made in Cinerama which is basically 3 panel panoramic film with curved screens (Check out Wikipedia for more details on this process). With the older DVD and LaserDisc, you can easily see the join lines of the 3 panels but with the restoration currently available, the join lines are barely visible. If you see it on TCM or have an early issue of the movie on Blu-Ray, you do get to watch a SmileVision version simulating the curve screens of Cinerama theaters while the standard Blu-Ray and DVD have a flat display. For Andy Griffith Show, only get the DVDs on Paramount as they came from the original sources, cheap episodes with episodes in the public domain mostly substitute the theme and other incidental music with generic sounding music for copyright reasons.
I reckon over time a lot of people will go back to disc. Last weekend I was with some mates who usely stream & they were complaining about not being able to find a film streaming anywhere when they want to watch it & not being able to find the whole of a franchise in one place.
I think more people will feel that way too. I’ve had way more issues with trying to stream something rather than just plugging in a disc. Are those friends going to start collecting again?
@@megamikethemovieman one of them does still have dvds which he plays through a PS4. I don't know if he will buy more because he would have to order them offline due to our area being no where near an HMV. There isn't anywhere near us that sells discs. As for the other friend, I haven't been to his new place that he got a while back so I'll judge that when I get to his & see the set up.
There has GOT to be more to this? I never bought another (480p) DVD once Blu-rays were available? Nobody I know of did, either? In my mind it's almost as bad as buying a VHS or music cassette tape - complete waste of money. Lots of blu-rays/4K will just include the DVD. Are those being counted separately as DVD sales? Finally, unless something's changed, only blu-ray or better include those "Ultraviolet" (or whatever it's called now) streaming codes, which is why I almost always buy the blu-ray/4K physical media - best of both worlds.
Great thought, I wonder if they do count those separately, not sure. I like collecting 4Ks and Blu-ray’s myself but lots must be collecting DVDs for those sales to keep happening. Do you think Blu-ray’s would have sold more if streaming never existed?
Dude, I far prefer DVD to both Blu-ray and 4K because on a good Blu-ray player that upscales DVD they're totally fine enough for me, good detail good sharpness good colors it's how I like movies to look.
When it comes to gaming systems, they have historically been very influential in the development of technology, especially with the PS1 on forward in that the earlier versions of the consoles had higher quality audio chips for implementing in a hi-fi or top of the line home theater system. When PS1 was first made, the earliest models had one of the best audio chips at the time and have the RCA jacks soldered into the system so that one could use it in a stereo system. The PS3's fat models played SACDs in high resolution audio using a top quality audio chip while the skinnier models removed the high-end audiophile capabilities, etc. Just like Dolby Atmos is mostly used with upper tier equipment today, in the days when SACD/DVD-A were introduced, the best 5.1 implementation used 3 sets of RCA cables as coax and optical audio only can do uncompressed PCM audio or Dolby Digital and DTS compressed 5.1 and 7.1.
A lot of TV shows are still only available on DVD (eg. Seinfeld). I also think studios have been hesitant to release some shows (eg. Star Trek Voyager) if the show is not available in HD. I would snap up a Blu ray of this show if it were available, even if it's just a 10 percent improvement in visual quality and didn't have some of the DVD compression artifacts.
@@megamikethemovieman Depends. Most shows from before the 90's, if they were shot on film would have been edited on film, in that case it's relatively easy to remaster, you just gotta scan the film and clean it up a bit, of course even that costs money though, and that's assuming the original film elements sill exist, and that it wasn't shot on video, some shows were shot on film and edited on video, in that case you would have to re edit yeh, the sci-fi shows were particularly difficult though because they have a lot of effects that are in SD that would have to be redone, that's something that becomes an issue in the 90's when digital effects started getting used, non sci-fi/fantasy shows obviously don't have this problem as much. And then there are shows that were shot on video, you can't do much with those, they don't tend to look any better on blu-ray compared on dvd.
Interesting points loved reading the comments Been a avid movie collector since the beta max days to vhs to dvd to blu ray.Laser Disc was awesome but never took off anyhow I still buy movies now but don’t own a 4K player or 4K telly maybe one day never say never lol.I try to just buy blu ray but due to pricing and some of the bedonnker prices of some films you may be after on blu ray oh there out of print then I would have to settle for the dvd.I’m not talking about the blu ray being like $10 more or something I’m talking about being $100 or so more that you have to import and don’t get started on the postage errr.I’m not going to pay a couple of hundred for the blu ray when you can get the DVDs for like $40 .I’m not denying that the films would look awesome in the 4K and I understand you would want the best quality but I remember a lot of horror witch I loved I saw on vhs and a hell of a lot of bootlegs because that was all that was available so when dvd came along it was like where have you been all my life lol.Then I slowly started just to upgrade my favourite movies to blu ray because I was not upgrading all 5000+ DVDs i owed and definitely not to 4 k anyhow.I wish I still had all my vhs still owed a small store in my garage back in the day I was like a kid in a candy store😜.And considering the price those horror ones are going for eBay now dam!!!😂
Welcome to the channel movie friend! What genres do you lean towards collecting besides horror? Also do you collect any boutique labels like Criterion or Arrow?
Here are some thoughts I had. Format vs Form Factor CD vs DVD vs BR vs 4KBR. These are different formats yes but the form factor has stayed the same. If we think about this from the view of a BR player manufacturer they have an incentive to have their player play all the formats. They know someone buying a player likely has all these formats and don't want to have multiple players nor upgrade their entire collections. Furthermore DVD is cheap. I find myself downloading Linux isos and buying DVDs at Walmart more and more. Upscaling on animated films is amazing. I have viewed some DVDs on a crop 1080p Vizio that have been stunning! Lots of things to consider. DVD is a lot like USB it is around to stay!.
Great thoughts! It is tougher to notice the quality change with animated titles, at least visually. What about sound though for you? Does DVD give you the same sound as the other formats?
@@megamikethemovieman I only have a quality sound system in the bedroom so it is hard for me to judge because I'd say we watch most DVD titles in the living room. However, I have noticed great results as long as a 5.1 mix is there.
@@megamikethemovieman I have a Vizio sound bar with 2 satellite speaks for rear left and right and a subwoofer. It was under 200 last year bet it is cheaper now. I want a cheap 7.1 system next lol
good video. I thought Blu-ray came out before alot of people really started to get on Streaming. Didn't it? It really did surprise me that Blu-rays never became the main format. I could never (and still don't) understand why someone would go and spend money on a HD TV... but not get a Blu-ray player eventually. They wanted the better HD picture enough to buy a new TV.. but not a Blu-ray player. Eventually Blu-ray players became quite cheap. I dunno......
Not sure of the exact release date, but possibly Blu-ray could have come 1st. But I don’t think it was ever marketed well enough which never gained it popularity. Why don’t you think Blu-ray’s gained popularity? Why the HD TVs as you mentioned over the HD discs? Were people just so use to DVDs and didn’t want to switch at that point?
If I were to speculate on the continued success of DVDs, I would attribute it to their satisfactory quality for the average viewer. Often, DVDs are more affordable than Blu-rays, making them a cost-effective choice. Furthermore, all Blu-ray players are capable of playing DVDs and can upscale them to improve the viewing experience. In conclusion, the enduring popularity of DVDs can be attributed to three key factors: their lower cost, the acceptable quality which can be enhanced through upscaling, and their compatibility with all Blu-ray players.
Good points with all 3 of those factors. Do you think streaming at all might be another factor or do you think streamers would have still just stuck with DVDs?
@@megamikethemovieman At one time, I thought streaming was a good idea. I started buying movies digitally because I found it convenient and saw it as a way to save space. However, I came to find out that I don’t actually have any rights when it comes to my digital purchases. Digital purchases can be taken away from you at any time, for any reason. That’s why I started buying DVDs again, and on occasion, I will buy a Blu-ray. I don’t really see any reason to invest in 4K at this point. DVD and standard Blu-ray are good enough for me. I believe that streaming will ultimately kill off the physical media market in the end. I think people still buy DVDs and Blu-ray because they either live in more rural areas without high-speed internet or they just want a physical copy of their favorite movie. Streaming services are also expensive, so some people might just want an inexpensive way to enjoy their favorite movies.
@@user-cz6do6rx9i I hope physical media last a long time but only time will tell. Good point with rural areas not having the ability to handle streaming. How many titles on digital have you seen disappear or altered in some way?
@@megamikethemovieman I haven’t personally seen anything being taken away, but I have heard reports of movies and TV shows either being changed or taken down. One incident that happened recently involved Sony allowing licensing agreements for Discovery content on the PlayStation Store to expire. I believe Sony reversed course on that decision and renewed their agreement. However, the potential for such occurrences still exists, and I would rather have a physical copy in my hand.
@@user-cz6do6rx9i absolutely. That’s why I don’t fully trust digital either. I’ve noticed them censoring streaming stuff, which I don’t like. I wonder how long the typical disc will last overtime? I’ve heard of disc rot. But I’m guessing a disc would still last longer than digital?
Mostly physical media along with the occasional Pluto tv and the superbox when it comes to the movies it’s just physical media and more preferably 4ks I gave up streaming services like Disney plus an max for 4k collecting. I’m not saying that I don’t like streaming anymore it’s more like a former co worker got me more into 4ks
@@megamikethemovieman a lot of my favorites were off of analysis reviewer in search of physical media’s reviews and top 10 lists like James Cameron’s titanic.
blu rays just fucking suck, i use my pc to watch movies and not a dedicated player so keep that in mind, with a dvd I can buy a 20 dollars external usb dvd player and just use it no issues, blu rays for an external usb player is usually around 100 dollars unless you get lucky and find a used one and then you need to deal with the pain in the ass that is the set up process just to do what a dvd does when you plug it in, im using a linux computer so figuring out how to do this simple thing was annoying and once i did figure it out i dont even get the proper experience because blu ray menus dont work on linux a lot of the time unlike dvd dvd had the benefit of being easy to crack so it had much better comparability, if they just let people do what they want with blu rays people will buy more blu rays otherwise there wouldn't be a reason to buy dvds anymore outside of price
@@megamikethemovieman at this point it's not necessary since I've got it figured out outside the menu thing, my point was mostly that Blu-Ray is a pain in the ass compared to what it should b. Watching on PC is also the way i watch movies outside of theaters so having to watch a way I don't want to because they don't make a good enough product to meet my wants makes me think that piracy is the best option at that point
Bro the people who watch horror movies on streaming were never collectors they're average moviegoers who rarely bought any movie if any. A young woman I know that's a horror fan streams everything and owns nothing not even Blu-rays. I don't know what's your thing with HD it's like you're suffering because Blu-rays are not selling more lol!🤣 They stopped manufacturing VHS because it wasn't a disc and analog signal. A big part of DVDs takeover was the PS2 not only you got a gaming console but a DVD player as well and it's the most sold console in history. And of course the impact of this is still felt today so much so that some people call any disc a DVD. Good topic and cool video Mike!👉🙂👈
What about the PS3 being a Blu-ray player and PS4 being a 4K player, why didn’t those consoles help their formats take off more? And the person that stream everything, what did they use to do when streaming didn’t exist?
@@megamikethemovieman the PS3 didn't sell as well as the PS2. Don't get me wrong it sold well but not as good. I remember at the beginning of Blu-rays stores didn't have as many horror titles for sale. I bought a Sony Blu-ray player I think in 2011 and only a handful of movies because more were not available whereas DVD had a ton. The young woman I know watched cable tv in her home with her parents and they had a small VHS and DVD collection. But she's not interested on buying anything even though she knows when you stream you don't own anything.🤔
@@HECTORMONTALVO-le9cn Good points. I feel streaming then might have replaced cable tv watching more than anything. Do you think Streaming is just like Cable 2.0?
@@megamikethemovieman the PS4 does not support UHD Blu-Rays, only typical 1080p Blu-Rays, sony had a great opportunity to boost the 4K blu-ray format with the PS4 Pro, but they didn't care, even the old Xbox One S supports movies on 4K Blu-Rays PS5 supports 4K movies on discs, but it's kinda too little too late, even on games, digital dominates with a sales market ratio of 70% digital/30% physical on PlayStation (this was uploaded today on the latest financial report from sony) videogame analysts say that xbox is even worse with a sales ratio of around 90% digital and 10% physical, but we don't have official numbers from xbox
@@megamikethemovieman Actually I never watched HD DVDs growing up, just regular DVD . Just wish HD DVD was the cheapest physical media option available as the higher resolution is better for modern large TVs . I would take Bluray over HD DVD .
dude i still buy blurays almost every week. streaming crap didn't kill bluray. streaming content; you cant have the movies or shows forever. they get deleted. thats what i think. on the other hand you can pop in your blurays anytime you want i don't know about ; dvd not being affected. i still see that big pile of dvds at Walmart that no one buys lol
@megamikethemovieman I literally don't see anyone buying them dvds.at Walmart. it's an outdated format. yes I still have shows on dvd . family guy; cheers; etc but I only buy bluray for movies
@@arturoalmazan5262 Blu-ray’s are definitely a wonderful format and a great value. But a quality 4K can just be breathtaking. Do you collect more studio releases or boutique labels?
I wouldn't be surprised if the cause is when the first wave of consumers would've began buying Bluray, the Great Recession hit, and so most held off. Then when things started recovering in the early 2010s, Digital Download & Streaming stated gaining steam. So most upgraded to that instead of Bluray. 4K UHD is a niche interest for hobbists, and DVD is fine for people who just want to watch something, have bad internet, can't afford subscriptions, or are just plain stubbon. So Bluray gets squeezed out.
@@megamikethemovieman Most people won't, they'll continue using streaming services. Some people will, but physical media collecting will be a niche interest.
@@megamikethemovieman if the studios want to streamline inventory. They may creep the price gap away to see how many customers will easily migrate to the “new” format
@@johnhyatt4905 I wonder if DVDs would still sell more just on the branding of it being a DVD (and common people understanding what that is)? I feel some people are just confuse by Blu-ray and are afraid of it for some reason, they are just so use to DVD.
@@megamikethemovieman not for awhile. Streaming has to add 3/4 more of data space. I think we’re years away from that. Plus companies would charge an arm and a leg for that service. 4K on Netflix is already 20 bucks. You would have to to charge 80 to 100 bucks for each streaming service.
@@craigosterberg5045 Good point of the pricing side of it. Doubt the common consumer would pay for that. The streamers are already trying to make more by adding back in Ad options. I wonder if increased pricing will turn any of them back to collecting?
Yes streaming did hurt the bluray format. Before Bluray could win the format war between DVDs & Blurays. And between streaming & the studios & small labels. Not backing the bluray format 100 % percent like they did with the DvD format. All I am saying is if the studios & small labels would have at least backed the bluray format at least 80% percent. Instead of the 45 to 55% percent that the studios & small labels are doing now. Bc bluray would have taken over the format by now. I am not saying DVDs would have been gone by now. But bluray would have been the Custer mere pick over DVDs by now. And also what hurt the bluray format too. Is that there is still not enough catalog titles available on the bluray format still after 15 year on the market.
Great points! I wonder why studios don’t pull back more on DVDs and start releasing those catalog titles to Blu-ray? Do they not see as more profitable, what’s stopping them?
@@megamikethemovieman the reason why what I read is back in 2009. I read an article that all the studios did not have the patience for the lower sales in the bluray market. Bc unlike DVD 📀 format that just took over physical media market & blow up in only 3 to 4 years after being launched. Bc bluray format was a slower to get people on board to buy the bluray format
@@tomboling2309 Makes sense, with that patience factor. I think studios and distributors are in general less patient these days. Does that also play into why they won’t even wait that long before they release something to streaming and physical? Like movies are only in theaters often times just for a couple weeks now before turn around.
@@megamikethemovieman I think you are on point about the smaller window time frame. Bc between theaters & being released on streaming & physical media the window has shrunk . Bc I can remember when a film 🎥 was released in theaters. And between 6 & 8 months later the film 🎥 would be released on physical media to buy
DVDS dominate because their the cheapest. They almost always have more dvds than Blu-ray and 4k in stores. Because they know dvds will sell more. I prefer bluray over dvd if the price is right. But they usually have some bluray a little bit of 4k and a lot of dvds in stores. Yeah, I'm surprised that they haven't stopped making dvds. I'm glad that they haven't, but I'm surprised. Long live physical media streaming won't last. Physical media was here first, and it's not going anywhere.
Long live physical media!!! What do you think would happen if they made all the formats the same price? Would most jump to 4K or would there be other factors stopping them?
@@djhaack9239 Makes sense for why 4Ks barely sell. But are Blu-ray’s players way more expensive than DVD players? I feel most probably have a Videogame console that can play at least Blu-ray’s?
ANSWER 1 Mike. DVDs 📀 will play in laptops and tablets. (2) Remember, in a lot of cases, you get a free digital copy of a film when you buy the DVD 📀. (3) Mike, that would have been a disaster if they had stopped producing DVD. (4) It failed when BEST BUY stopped selling DVD. NO! BLU RAY will NOT overtake DVD. We NEED the convenience of being able to access our films on the go. 4 K was a doomed format from the start.
Do you think the Digital codes are a major selling point for most consumers! I like them myself, just to have a digital backup but I wonder if many collectors disregard them?
@@megamikethemovieman no the only computer I have with on-line connectivity is my phone. So I don't know how those digital downloads look. Anyway I give them to a young woman that streams everything. Heck even the one from The Walking Dead Complete Series Blu-ray that people are selling on-line for $50 I gave it to her.
@@HECTORMONTALVO-le9cn That’s awesome! Glad someone is getting the use out of them. Was that Walking Dead series on Blu-ray or DVD? Was it that set I’ve been seeing in Walmart?
I think blu-ray will overtake dvd's. I think the people who are buying dvd's are old, young people who buy physical media buy blu-ray's. As the older generation start dying off, the market for physical media targeted towards the casual consumer will die out with them and physical media will became a collectors/enthusiasts only market where blu-ray will dominate. Streaming will still be king but dvd will die out.
@@megamikethemovieman No. 1. The difference is far less noticeable compared to going from dvd to blu-ray and you really need top notch hardware to get the most out of it. 2. Right now you can't play 4K discs on PC, that is something that could change though, so maby in the far flung future when everyone can afford high quality 4K HDR displays/TV's and every PC can play any disk, but at that point streaming has probably cought up with disks anyway.
@@megamikethemovieman There are inexpensive Blu-Ray players and most people buy these or upconverting to HDMI DVD players to avoid having to buy separate converters that convert composite or component video to HDMI.
DVD has been painfully outdated for more than 10 years. It makes no sense to put anything current on them, they can’t even match the quality of this video. Just shows how clueless people are if DVDs still outsell Blu-ray.
@@megamikethemovieman They say it’s because people still buy them, but that’s because people are clueless. It seem the “boutique” labels that put out older and cult type movies don’t put out regular DVDs though.
@TheMediaHoarder I’m guessing because the boutiques appeal more to the collectors which know about the HD formats. Do you think there is a way for studios to educate people on the newer formats? How should they approach that, maybe demonstrating differences in stores or online?
I buy nothing but Blu-ray now I got probably well over 160 Blu-rays I recently bought all the John Wick movies in Blu-ray :D best part of it is my TV upscales 1080p to 4k so to me that's a win win
the 4K and Blu-ray absolutists only care about the medium, not the content. if some of them got their wish and all DVDs disappeared forever, a lot of TV and film history would disappear with them
Solid point. A lot more content available on the DVD format at the moment. What if they ever did get to the point where the same content was also on Blu-ray? Would that change how much the formats sell?
Very true, Blu-ray and especially 4K caters to snobs that care more about getting the latest thing at all cost it's the toy of industry revisionists that like to mess with film history.
I think the main reason why Streaming killed Blu Rays is that streaming quality is pretty dang good and can stand up very easily with modern movies/Blu Rays of today. Aside from a tighter and slightly sharper image, Blu Rays just unfortunately don't give the incentive for people to pay for the format in general. Also another reason Blu Rays got killed is that DVD's can play on both Blu Ray and now 4K Blu Ray systems, which pretty much made getting the more expensive format rather pointless.
@@megamikethemovieman I think DVD's didn't suffer the same fate as Blu Ray is because of the mainstream appeal of DVD's. There are entire sections of DVD's in every store you can find and very rarely do you see a Blu Ray in any of them. Without the consumer backing the format, Blu Ray's are pretty much being carried by collectors rather than regular people, which is why they've never caught on with the masses.
@@megamikethemovieman Because DVD's have a more marketable feel to them rather than Blu Ray's. Their simplicity is what makes them so successful to the common consumer
Uh, the point of the more expensive format is noticeably better quality. I didn’t buy a 4k player to watch new movies on DVD, I am glad it will play my old ones though.
Streaming is much easier and less painful than picking a disc to watch in a family environment, especially when your spouse has different tastes. Before streaming, Blu Ray became the preferred choice for enthusiasts, while dvds were relegated to low income families often in the jammy hands of toddlers. Dvds sell to a different market. I might purchase a 4K player if one of my Bluray players dies, but there's little incentive with streaming and TH-cam available for old shows and movies, and from what I've been reading there's a fall in the quality due to the process used.
But do you feel we’re missing something either having the family gathered around one movie to share that communal experience? Everyone is just watching their own thing on their phone now.
@megamikethemovieman well it's just me and my wife. As someone who recently reached retirement age and has opted for phased retirement, we can have quality time at the cinema when it's quiet. At home, we tend to binge watch kdramas or the latest hot thing on Netflix or Amazon, and there's enough there to keep us happy. The blurays tend to stay on the shelf, and most of those titles are on Disney, plus anyway. The only bluray that we've played recently was Elf when Amazon wanted to charge for it at Xmas. It's not easy finding something we both like and have to compromise, but talking the guys at work, i found out that we all have a backlog of things that the wife got bored with.
@@kimwand Makes sense. I have those same struggles sometimes. My Wife and I can have wildly different tastes in movies even though there’s a little crossover. So y’all still go to the theater quite a bit? How do you pick your movies to watch in theaters together? I feel like half the time I’m going to the theater alone.
@megamikethemovieman Anything Woke gets automatically dismissed. I watched the last three Marvel movies on Disney plus on fast forward because they were so bad. The hit of the year so far was Godzilla minus one. It was so good h didn't bother with the Lionsgate version. My wife loves Tom Hardy and Jason Mamoa, so they're easy picks, but she wouldn't watch Dune2. We did see the last three DC movies, and we've just watched Planet of the Apes. It's doing a good job in carrying the story forward. I'm enough of a geek to know the background to most upcoming movies and rely on weekend reviews. I've got Deadpool, Minions, and War of the Rohirrin to look forward to, and that last one is a definite buy.
@@kimwand Godzilla Minus One was fantastic!! One of my favorites as well. I’m so excited for DeadPool 3 too. Do you think it will be one of the better Marvel movies?
I think streaming did stop people from upgrading their DVDs to Blu-ray or 4K because they realized that resolution is not a major difference when it comes to the enjoyment of a film. Us who collect films we tend to buy the best resolution, but normal people just want to watch at the least price possible.
I wonder if that will change when streaming becomes more expensive. Do you think more people will go back to collecting?
@@megamikethemovieman I think so, I am one of them. I got so tired of there being so many streaming services and the films I want to watch not being on the one I was subscribed to. It is super messy right now not to mention the price increases. So this year I cancelled all my streaming subscriptions and signed up to my library and I can stream movies for free and also downloaded Tubi TV, where I can stream movies for free. And I started to buy the films I love on bluray and DVD. It feels so freeing to just pop the case of a film you want to watch and just watch it whenever you want.
@@megamikethemoviemanI think the cheaper option will always be the most popular. I think 4k is to expensive and doesn't have as many people with a 4k player and 4k TV to get as much content as DVDs and Blu-ray do but I think physical media as a whole will be around for a while. (I personally try and get most content on Blu-ray)
@@pongchannel. Why is Blu-ray your most preferred format over both 4K and DVD?
No need to buy a Blu-ray player there's one built in my Xbox Series X 😉
A lot of people don't even pay attention to the quality of what they were watching. The people that still buy DVDs are the people that don't use streaming services. A lot of them are usually old, live somewhere without good internet, or both. Those people usually don't care about getting the highest quality, and just buy whatever is the cheapest.
Great points. Do you think as those older people pass on, DVD sales will drop and Blu-ray will gain more of the market share?
Streaming sucks, dude...can't hold a candle to physical media. 👍
The studios make to much money on DVDs so they won't stop selling them at all
They are definitely selling a good amount. But do you think more people would have jump to Blu-ray’s if streaming didn’t come out?
@@megamikethemovieman hmmm good question but I don't know and that's hard to say
I'd approach this slightly differently and also introduce another angle which I included in one of my previous posts when we talked about this but got deleted by the YT algo at the time. Whilst your pie chart at 1:25 shows the relative "market shares" of physical media sales it doesn't highlight the most important factor which is the "total size of the pie" is a mere fraction of what it would have been if streaming had not been a thing.
Before services like Netflix got going, everyone rented physical media from their local family run video store or big chain Blockbuster...it was part of the culture. In the beginning the physical media was video tape, there was a brief "war" between the Betamax and VHS formats when video stores stocked both but VHS quickly won that war and Betamax got phased out entirely. For years everyone had a VHS player and they rented (and bought) movies on VHS. When DVD came out, the picture quality, features and convenience were a huge leap and it swiftly started replacing VHS in both rentals and sales...DVD became the "standard". Everyone owned a DVD player, everyone knew what a DVD was and everyone rented and bought them. "Economies of scale" meant that DVDs became incredibly cheap to produce and lead to huge profits. This was massive for the movie industry because a movie that didn't do well at the box office would get a 2nd chance on the home rental market and in many cases this lead to an (initially) unprofitable movie becoming very profitable indeed. This had the knock on effect of allowing movie companies to take more risks with their movie productions because they weren't so reliant on the box office receipts. When streaming came in people gradually started renting/buying less and less. Video stores like Blockbusters went out of business, sales in shops went down and movie companies started to feel the pinch and the risk...if a movie didn't do well at the box office then it didn't really get the same "2nd chance" to make money that it did before because of the pricing structure/setup of streaming. It was terrible for the industry overall but the average consumer was oblivious and didn't really care...as long as they could put Netflix on and watch something.
If streaming hadn't taken off then Blu-ray would have gradually started to replace DVD as the "standard" (to this day I still find people who don't even know what a Blu-ray is !). Blu-ray/renting/owning would have become part of the culture and the "economies of scale" that came with DVD would have come to Blu-ray. Everyone would still be renting/buying, Blockbusters would still be a thing, the physical sales "pie" would be vastly bigger than it is, the movie industry would be much healthier and able to take more risks with productions that might not do so well at the cinema.
Streaming, whilst convenient and sufficient for the average consumer, totally robbed Blu-ray of it's potential (and deserved) glory as well as severely damaging the movie industry as a whole.
Are DvD's 480P now or are they 480i . My Panasonic 820 makes my dvd's look good ?
Great question, not a 100% sure. For some reason I always thought I heard 480P. What’s the difference between 480P and 480i?
DVDs can be 480p if they are film-source (or digital cinema-source, which is also 24 frames per second) and you have a "progressive scan" DVD player (which also requires a TV/monitor that can sync to at least ~31 KHz; pretty much all modern ones can, and well beyond that too).
If the source is, e.g., NTSC video, which is natively 29.97 frames per second, interlaced, then the DVD will be strictly 480i. Some sitcoms from the 1970s-1990s were shot on NTSC video rather than film for example, so if you get any of those on DVD they are strictly 480i.
Also, if the DVD is film-source but you don't have a progressive scan DVD player or a TV that can sync to ~31 KHz (traditional CRT TVs can only sync to ~15 KHz), it will only display as 480i.
max native resolution of dvds is 480p, upscaling make it looks "acceptable" but it's much worse than native 1080p and way more noticeable with native 2160p (4K)
@@vegetarey Great info. Still trying to understand the concept of native resolutions. Does it changed based on the movie itself on Max (how does all that work)?
@@megamikethemovieman Native resolution is the actual resolution of the video file on the disc. For DVDs it is 720 x 480 pixels. For Blu-rays it is 1920 x 1080 pixels, which is 6 times the resolution of DVDs. People sometimes use the word "native" to distinguish it from a display resolution.
For example, you can watch a DVD on a 1920 x 1080 monitor, and you will see 2,073,600 pixels, but the video file only has 345,600 pixels because its native resolution is only 720 x 480. So the extra pixels you're seeing are created by the TV based on the native pixels using an algorithm/filters, which is known as "upscaling."
On the other hand, if you play a Blu-ray on that same TV, the 2,073,600 pixels you see are all part of the video file because its native resolution is 1920 x 1080; none of them are created by the TV. Native 1920 x 1080 looks a lot better than 720 x 480 upscaled to 1920 x 1080, all else being equal.
Also another deal that attracts collectors is the fact that there are times when a movie is only on DVD in its original aspect ratio on DVDs from outside the US and the cheap bottom of the barrel line DVD players have secret menus that allow people to change regions easily to play DVDs that are region coded for overseas although there was a time when component DVD players could play all region PAL DVDs but combo decks couldn't play all region PAL discs but in the case of Blu-ray and 4K players sold in the US, you have to buy a modified player to play Blu-ray discs from outside the US. Most UHD 4K discs do not have region coding although there are a few that are region coded. US sold Blu-ray players can't play all region PAL DVDs unless they are modified. Examples of a movie you have to either get on old LaserDisc, Region 2 or 4 PAL DVD or Blu-ray are the 2 Grumpy Old Men movies, many children's movies such as the 1982 Annie musical, etc. There are US issued DVDs of the original American Tail movies that are 4:3 and others that use the widescreen prints and the Blu-ray issues are all widescreen.
Blu-ray and 4K are always original aspect ratio.
I like Blu Rays but some movies only come DVD.
That’s true. Sometimes I will have to get DVDs too.
Do y’all think streaming hurt the sales of Blu-ray’s or DVDs more?
Almost every movie I care about has already been released on Blu-ray, so those will be available for as long as I live. Even when they are no longer in production, they will still be easy to find on e.g., eBay. No one makes movies anymore that I care about, and they haven't for a long time, so I'm not even remotely concerned about the prospect of not being able to get recent or future movies on Blu-ray.
Makes sense. What decades and genres do you mostly collect for?
@@megamikethemovieman Most of the movies I own are from the 1980s (which is the decade I grew up in); some from the 1990s, and a few from the 1970s and earlier. I probably own less than 10 from the 21st century.
No particular genre, but most of them are action, sci-fi, and comedies, plus a handful of horrors and westerns.
@@MaximRecoil Those are some great decades (I love the 80s and 90s too). 70s is definitely a decade I need to dive more into. Any where you recommend to start with the 70s? I feel like I’ve only seen a handful of the big ones like The Godfather and Texas Chainsaw.
@@megamikethemovieman A few of my all-time favorite movies are from the 1970s, but overall I don't care about many pre-1980s movies. My favorites are Rocky (1976), Rocky II (1979), Star Wars (1977), Superman (1978), Star Trek: The Motion Picture (1979), Alien (1979), and Dirty Harry (1971).
The Godfather (1972), The Exorcist (1973), and Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974) are good, but not among my all-time favorite movies, so I don't own a copy of any of them.
Short answer I can think of is because DVDs being cheaper enables them to survive with lower physical storage format sales that still turn a profit as opposed to blu-rays, which are more expensive and didn't have as much exposure before video streaming took off.
Blu-Rays at best are an incremental upgrade over DVDs, whereas DVDs were a fundamental medium shift from the more expensive and fickle/fragile media format of VHS video cassettes and had seven/eight years of uninterrupted dominance in the home video market before blu-rays and video streaming arrived around the same time in 2006-2007.
Blu-Ray/4K discs and players tend to be the most expensive video format option, which when combined with cheap high-definition video streaming cuts into the value Blu-Rays could provide over DVDs.
So do you think if the medium changed to something besides a disc, it would have taken off? Or would streaming have doomed anything else too?
Don't forget LaserDisc, DVD took over as the better format then.
At the time blu-ray was released, (like 2006) the format was very expensive, also the players, PS3 was one of the best players, but it was a very expensive console too.
the Xbox 360 was cheaper, with more games, better performance and a more robust online service, overall it did better than PS3 at least the early years.
By the time blu-ray was trying to become the standard format it was still expensive, streaming started with netflix and it was cheaper also available in HD (720p), imo blu-ray never stood a chance againts the rise of streaming/digital
these days the vast majority of consumers already moved to streaming, i guess a small group of people with a force of habit keep buying dvds
and collectors/enthusiasts will keep buying blu-rays and UHD blu-rays as long those are available
I think that’s what happened too overall. Do you collect yourself or are y’all streaming?
Blu rays and 4k and Blu rays and 4k players Cost to much money so that's part of it and I am sure streaming played a part in it to
Cost definitely a big factor. But I wonder if more consumers would have disregarded the cost like so many disregard the cost of streaming?
@@megamikethemovieman that's a good question and no idea
Blu rays aren't that much more expensive than a DVD, 4Ks are a different matter but those will eventually go down as well once they're not new releases anymore.
Also, in the case of movies filmed on nitrate film (e.g. films from the silent era until higher quality film stock became available) these require lots of digital remastering and due to the print issues, a lot of times, a DVD copy vs. Blu-ray copy may not be better quality for the average viewer but higher resolution transfers of these is recommended but as long as the DVDs of these are Criterion, Image Entertainment from the 1990s-2000s, Kino, Eureka in the UK, and other boutique transfers of these, or a major studio disc, these do display very well, even on an HDTV. I have seen the silent Phantom of the Opera on a bargain bin dollar DVD and the print is lousy, the Milestone/Image Entertainment or the Kino DVDs and Blu-rays are superior since these are professional restorations.
Restoration quality is definitely a major draw to collectors but do the majority of consumers realize the difference?
@@megamikethemovieman An example of a restoration that really makes a difference even to the average person that is not a silent film is the 1962 western epic How The West Was Won, which was made in Cinerama which is basically 3 panel panoramic film with curved screens (Check out Wikipedia for more details on this process). With the older DVD and LaserDisc, you can easily see the join lines of the 3 panels but with the restoration currently available, the join lines are barely visible. If you see it on TCM or have an early issue of the movie on Blu-Ray, you do get to watch a SmileVision version simulating the curve screens of Cinerama theaters while the standard Blu-Ray and DVD have a flat display. For Andy Griffith Show, only get the DVDs on Paramount as they came from the original sources, cheap episodes with episodes in the public domain mostly substitute the theme and other incidental music with generic sounding music for copyright reasons.
Actually once people notice the cheap DVD of the public domain stuff vs. the restored version, people notice the difference.
Many people who are silent film collectors are quality oriented so they do seek out boutique label and major studio discs if possible.
I reckon over time a lot of people will go back to disc. Last weekend I was with some mates who usely stream & they were complaining about not being able to find a film streaming anywhere when they want to watch it & not being able to find the whole of a franchise in one place.
I think more people will feel that way too. I’ve had way more issues with trying to stream something rather than just plugging in a disc. Are those friends going to start collecting again?
@@megamikethemovieman one of them does still have dvds which he plays through a PS4. I don't know if he will buy more because he would have to order them offline due to our area being no where near an HMV. There isn't anywhere near us that sells discs. As for the other friend, I haven't been to his new place that he got a while back so I'll judge that when I get to his & see the set up.
There has GOT to be more to this? I never bought another (480p) DVD once Blu-rays were available? Nobody I know of did, either? In my mind it's almost as bad as buying a VHS or music cassette tape - complete waste of money. Lots of blu-rays/4K will just include the DVD. Are those being counted separately as DVD sales? Finally, unless something's changed, only blu-ray or better include those "Ultraviolet" (or whatever it's called now) streaming codes, which is why I almost always buy the blu-ray/4K physical media - best of both worlds.
Great thought, I wonder if they do count those separately, not sure. I like collecting 4Ks and Blu-ray’s myself but lots must be collecting DVDs for those sales to keep happening. Do you think Blu-ray’s would have sold more if streaming never existed?
Dude, I far prefer DVD to both Blu-ray and 4K because on a good Blu-ray player that upscales DVD they're totally fine enough for me, good detail good sharpness good colors it's how I like movies to look.
When it comes to gaming systems, they have historically been very influential in the development of technology, especially with the PS1 on forward in that the earlier versions of the consoles had higher quality audio chips for implementing in a hi-fi or top of the line home theater system. When PS1 was first made, the earliest models had one of the best audio chips at the time and have the RCA jacks soldered into the system so that one could use it in a stereo system. The PS3's fat models played SACDs in high resolution audio using a top quality audio chip while the skinnier models removed the high-end audiophile capabilities, etc. Just like Dolby Atmos is mostly used with upper tier equipment today, in the days when SACD/DVD-A were introduced, the best 5.1 implementation used 3 sets of RCA cables as coax and optical audio only can do uncompressed PCM audio or Dolby Digital and DTS compressed 5.1 and 7.1.
A lot of TV shows are still only available on DVD (eg. Seinfeld). I also think studios have been hesitant to release some shows (eg. Star Trek Voyager) if the show is not available in HD. I would snap up a Blu ray of this show if it were available, even if it's just a 10 percent improvement in visual quality and didn't have some of the DVD compression artifacts.
Why don’t you think they make more Blu-ray’s of shows?
@@megamikethemovieman In the case of Star Trek Voyager it's a case of the remastering being too expensive since it was edited in SD.
@@Robin_Glader Does that prevent most shows from going to the Blu-ray format?
@@megamikethemovieman Depends. Most shows from before the 90's, if they were shot on film would have been edited on film, in that case it's relatively easy to remaster, you just gotta scan the film and clean it up a bit, of course even that costs money though, and that's assuming the original film elements sill exist, and that it wasn't shot on video, some shows were shot on film and edited on video, in that case you would have to re edit yeh, the sci-fi shows were particularly difficult though because they have a lot of effects that are in SD that would have to be redone, that's something that becomes an issue in the 90's when digital effects started getting used, non sci-fi/fantasy shows obviously don't have this problem as much. And then there are shows that were shot on video, you can't do much with those, they don't tend to look any better on blu-ray compared on dvd.
Interesting points loved reading the comments
Been a avid movie collector since the beta max days to vhs to dvd to blu ray.Laser Disc was awesome but never took off anyhow I still buy movies now but don’t own a 4K player or 4K telly maybe one day never say never lol.I try to just buy blu ray but due to pricing and some of the bedonnker prices of some films you may be after on blu ray oh there out of print then I would have to settle for the dvd.I’m not talking about the blu ray being like $10 more or something I’m talking about being $100 or so more that you have to import and don’t get started on the postage errr.I’m not going to pay a couple of hundred for the blu ray when you can get the DVDs for like $40 .I’m not denying that the films would look awesome in the 4K and I understand you would want the best quality but I remember a lot of horror witch I loved I saw on vhs and a hell of a lot of bootlegs because that was all that was available so when dvd came along it was like where have you been all my life lol.Then I slowly started just to upgrade my favourite movies to blu ray because I was not upgrading all 5000+ DVDs i owed and definitely not to 4 k anyhow.I wish I still had all my vhs still owed a small store in my garage back in the day I was like a kid in a candy store😜.And considering the price those horror ones are going for eBay now dam!!!😂
Welcome to the channel movie friend! What genres do you lean towards collecting besides horror? Also do you collect any boutique labels like Criterion or Arrow?
Here are some thoughts I had.
Format vs Form Factor
CD vs DVD vs BR vs 4KBR. These are different formats yes but the form factor has stayed the same. If we think about this from the view of a BR player manufacturer they have an incentive to have their player play all the formats. They know someone buying a player likely has all these formats and don't want to have multiple players nor upgrade their entire collections.
Furthermore DVD is cheap. I find myself downloading Linux isos and buying DVDs at Walmart more and more.
Upscaling on animated films is amazing. I have viewed some DVDs on a crop 1080p Vizio that have been stunning!
Lots of things to consider. DVD is a lot like USB it is around to stay!.
Great thoughts! It is tougher to notice the quality change with animated titles, at least visually. What about sound though for you? Does DVD give you the same sound as the other formats?
@@megamikethemovieman I only have a quality sound system in the bedroom so it is hard for me to judge because I'd say we watch most DVD titles in the living room. However, I have noticed great results as long as a 5.1 mix is there.
@@sbccave4015 What kind of sound system setup do you have? Is it 5.1 speakers? I’m still just on a soundbar unfortunately 3.1.
@@megamikethemovieman I have a Vizio sound bar with 2 satellite speaks for rear left and right and a subwoofer. It was under 200 last year bet it is cheaper now. I want a cheap 7.1 system next lol
@@sbccave4015 Me too, I need a 7.1 Dolby Atmos setup. I wonder if that would make a major difference in the sound quality on 4Ks?
good video. I thought Blu-ray came out before alot of people really started to get on Streaming. Didn't it? It really did surprise me that Blu-rays never became the main format. I could never (and still don't) understand why someone would go and spend money on a HD TV... but not get a Blu-ray player eventually. They wanted the better HD picture enough to buy a new TV.. but not a Blu-ray player. Eventually Blu-ray players became quite cheap. I dunno......
Not sure of the exact release date, but possibly Blu-ray could have come 1st. But I don’t think it was ever marketed well enough which never gained it popularity. Why don’t you think Blu-ray’s gained popularity? Why the HD TVs as you mentioned over the HD discs? Were people just so use to DVDs and didn’t want to switch at that point?
If I were to speculate on the continued success of DVDs, I would attribute it to their satisfactory quality for the average viewer. Often, DVDs are more affordable than Blu-rays, making them a cost-effective choice. Furthermore, all Blu-ray players are capable of playing DVDs and can upscale them to improve the viewing experience. In conclusion, the enduring popularity of DVDs can be attributed to three key factors: their lower cost, the acceptable quality which can be enhanced through upscaling, and their compatibility with all Blu-ray players.
Good points with all 3 of those factors. Do you think streaming at all might be another factor or do you think streamers would have still just stuck with DVDs?
@@megamikethemovieman At one time, I thought streaming was a good idea. I started buying movies digitally because I found it convenient and saw it as a way to save space. However, I came to find out that I don’t actually have any rights when it comes to my digital purchases. Digital purchases can be taken away from you at any time, for any reason. That’s why I started buying DVDs again, and on occasion, I will buy a Blu-ray. I don’t really see any reason to invest in 4K at this point. DVD and standard Blu-ray are good enough for me. I believe that streaming will ultimately kill off the physical media market in the end. I think people still buy DVDs and Blu-ray because they either live in more rural areas without high-speed internet or they just want a physical copy of their favorite movie. Streaming services are also expensive, so some people might just want an inexpensive way to enjoy their favorite movies.
@@user-cz6do6rx9i I hope physical media last a long time but only time will tell. Good point with rural areas not having the ability to handle streaming. How many titles on digital have you seen disappear or altered in some way?
@@megamikethemovieman I haven’t personally seen anything being taken away, but I have heard reports of movies and TV shows either being changed or taken down. One incident that happened recently involved Sony allowing licensing agreements for Discovery content on the PlayStation Store to expire. I believe Sony reversed course on that decision and renewed their agreement. However, the potential for such occurrences still exists, and I would rather have a physical copy in my hand.
@@user-cz6do6rx9i absolutely. That’s why I don’t fully trust digital either. I’ve noticed them censoring streaming stuff, which I don’t like. I wonder how long the typical disc will last overtime? I’ve heard of disc rot. But I’m guessing a disc would still last longer than digital?
Good 👍 question Mike
Do you think if streaming didn’t exist more people would have adopted the Blu-ray format?
@@megamikethemovieman yes 👍
I’ve been collecting a lot of 4ks when I can save up for it and a lot of them were from blu ray to 4k or from dvd to 4k
Do you stream too or just all physical media?
Mostly physical media along with the occasional Pluto tv and the superbox when it comes to the movies it’s just physical media and more preferably 4ks I gave up streaming services like Disney plus an max for 4k collecting. I’m not saying that I don’t like streaming anymore it’s more like a former co worker got me more into 4ks
@@Topgamer-nz7sd I’m physical media first top of course. Glad to hear you’ve been diving into 4Ks. What have been your favorite title pickups so far?
@@megamikethemovieman a lot of my favorites were off of analysis reviewer in search of physical media’s reviews and top 10 lists like James Cameron’s titanic.
blu rays just fucking suck, i use my pc to watch movies and not a dedicated player so keep that in mind, with a dvd I can buy a 20 dollars external usb dvd player and just use it no issues, blu rays for an external usb player is usually around 100 dollars unless you get lucky and find a used one and then you need to deal with the pain in the ass that is the set up process just to do what a dvd does when you plug it in, im using a linux computer so figuring out how to do this simple thing was annoying and once i did figure it out i dont even get the proper experience because blu ray menus dont work on linux a lot of the time unlike dvd
dvd had the benefit of being easy to crack so it had much better comparability, if they just let people do what they want with blu rays people will buy more blu rays otherwise there wouldn't be a reason to buy dvds anymore outside of price
Have you ever considered a Blu-ray player for a tv though instead of watching on a pc?
@@megamikethemovieman at this point it's not necessary since I've got it figured out outside the menu thing, my point was mostly that Blu-Ray is a pain in the ass compared to what it should b. Watching on PC is also the way i watch movies outside of theaters so having to watch a way I don't want to because they don't make a good enough product to meet my wants makes me think that piracy is the best option at that point
Bro the people who watch horror movies on streaming were never collectors they're average moviegoers who rarely bought any movie if any. A young woman I know that's a horror fan streams everything and owns nothing not even Blu-rays. I don't know what's your thing with HD it's like you're suffering because Blu-rays are not selling more lol!🤣 They stopped manufacturing VHS because it wasn't a disc and analog signal. A big part of DVDs takeover was the PS2 not only you got a gaming console but a DVD player as well and it's the most sold console in history. And of course the impact of this is still felt today so much so that some people call any disc a DVD. Good topic and cool video Mike!👉🙂👈
What about the PS3 being a Blu-ray player and PS4 being a 4K player, why didn’t those consoles help their formats take off more? And the person that stream everything, what did they use to do when streaming didn’t exist?
@@megamikethemovieman the PS3 didn't sell as well as the PS2. Don't get me wrong it sold well but not as good. I remember at the beginning of Blu-rays stores didn't have as many horror titles for sale. I bought a Sony Blu-ray player I think in 2011 and only a handful of movies because more were not available whereas DVD had a ton. The young woman I know watched cable tv in her home with her parents and they had a small VHS and DVD collection. But she's not interested on buying anything even though she knows when you stream you don't own anything.🤔
@@HECTORMONTALVO-le9cn Good points. I feel streaming then might have replaced cable tv watching more than anything. Do you think Streaming is just like Cable 2.0?
@@megamikethemovieman well the model is similar you pay to watch programs.🤔
@@megamikethemovieman the PS4 does not support UHD Blu-Rays, only typical 1080p Blu-Rays, sony had a great opportunity to boost the 4K blu-ray format with the PS4 Pro, but they didn't care, even the old Xbox One S supports movies on 4K Blu-Rays
PS5 supports 4K movies on discs, but it's kinda too little too late, even on games, digital dominates with a sales market ratio of 70% digital/30% physical on PlayStation (this was uploaded today on the latest financial report from sony)
videogame analysts say that xbox is even worse with a sales ratio of around 90% digital and 10% physical, but we don't have official numbers from xbox
Wish dvd was replaced with HD dvd , for the higher resolution.
Did you like HD DVD over Blu-ray?
@@megamikethemovieman Actually I never watched HD DVDs growing up, just regular DVD . Just wish HD DVD was the cheapest physical media option available as the higher resolution is better for modern large TVs .
I would take Bluray over HD DVD .
@@joshdimovski4483 Do you collect any DVDs or just Blu-ray’s and 4Ks now?
@@megamikethemovieman I've stopped collecting at the moment but do have a bit of a Bluray /4k collection
dude i still buy blurays almost every week. streaming crap didn't kill bluray. streaming content; you cant have the movies or shows forever. they get deleted. thats what i think. on the other hand you can pop in your blurays anytime you want i don't know about ; dvd not being affected. i still see that big pile of dvds at Walmart that no one buys lol
Then why does Walmart keep carrying so many DVDs? I’m guessing some has to be buying them with how the sales numbers are?
@megamikethemovieman I literally don't see anyone buying them dvds.at Walmart. it's an outdated format. yes I still have shows on dvd . family guy; cheers; etc but I only buy bluray for movies
@@arturoalmazan5262 Me too, I go Blu-ray’s and 4Ks. Do you go much into 4Ks at all or just Blu-ray’s?
@megamikethemovieman I still haven't bought a 4k player or TV I might this or next year
@@arturoalmazan5262 Blu-ray’s are definitely a wonderful format and a great value. But a quality 4K can just be breathtaking. Do you collect more studio releases or boutique labels?
You are wrong bluray sales are up alongaide dvd and 4k.
I wouldn't be surprised if the cause is when the first wave of consumers would've began buying Bluray, the Great Recession hit, and so most held off. Then when things started recovering in the early 2010s, Digital Download & Streaming stated gaining steam. So most upgraded to that instead of Bluray. 4K UHD is a niche interest for hobbists, and DVD is fine for people who just want to watch something, have bad internet, can't afford subscriptions, or are just plain stubbon. So Bluray gets squeezed out.
Great points! Do you think more people will start collecting again?
@@megamikethemovieman Most people won't, they'll continue using streaming services. Some people will, but physical media collecting will be a niche interest.
If DVD prices get higher then blu the consumer will flock to blu.
Do you think Blu-ray prices will rise too though?
@@megamikethemovieman if the studios want to streamline inventory. They may creep the price gap away to see how many customers will easily migrate to the “new” format
@@johnhyatt4905 I wonder if DVDs would still sell more just on the branding of it being a DVD (and common people understanding what that is)? I feel some people are just confuse by Blu-ray and are afraid of it for some reason, they are just so use to DVD.
@@megamikethemovieman that is why HDDVD was better branding. It was clear exactly what it was a DVD for High Definition.
@@johnhyatt4905 I wonder why HD DVD didn’t take off as much as Blu-ray then?
Blue Rays are only 1080p. 4K is close to 4000. Streaming a picture just as good as Blue Ray. DVDs more titles and more available.
How do you think the streaming services that offer “4K” streaming compare to the Blu-ray quality?
@@megamikethemovieman Just as good or better than Blue ray but not as good as 4K. There is a big difference.
@@craigosterberg5045 I feel the same way. It’s like Blu-ray 2.5 at best. You think streaming will ever get to true 4K disc quality?
@@megamikethemovieman not for awhile. Streaming has to add 3/4 more of data space. I think we’re years away from that. Plus companies would charge an arm and a leg for that service. 4K on Netflix is already 20 bucks. You would have to to charge 80 to 100 bucks for each streaming service.
@@craigosterberg5045 Good point of the pricing side of it. Doubt the common consumer would pay for that. The streamers are already trying to make more by adding back in Ad options. I wonder if increased pricing will turn any of them back to collecting?
Yes streaming did hurt the bluray format. Before Bluray could win the format war between DVDs & Blurays. And between streaming & the studios & small labels. Not backing the bluray format 100 % percent like they did with the DvD format. All I am saying is if the studios & small labels would have at least backed the bluray format at least 80% percent. Instead of the 45 to 55% percent that the studios & small labels are doing now. Bc bluray would have taken over the format by now. I am not saying DVDs would have been gone by now. But bluray would have been the Custer mere pick over DVDs by now. And also what hurt the bluray format too. Is that there is still not enough catalog titles available on the bluray format still after 15 year on the market.
Great points! I wonder why studios don’t pull back more on DVDs and start releasing those catalog titles to Blu-ray? Do they not see as more profitable, what’s stopping them?
@@megamikethemovieman the reason why what I read is back in 2009. I read an article that all the studios did not have the patience for the lower sales in the bluray market. Bc unlike DVD 📀 format that just took over physical media market & blow up in only 3 to 4 years after being launched. Bc bluray format was a slower to get people on board to buy the bluray format
@@tomboling2309 Makes sense, with that patience factor. I think studios and distributors are in general less patient these days. Does that also play into why they won’t even wait that long before they release something to streaming and physical? Like movies are only in theaters often times just for a couple weeks now before turn around.
@@megamikethemovieman I think you are on point about the smaller window time frame. Bc between theaters & being released on streaming & physical media the window has shrunk . Bc I can remember when a film 🎥 was released in theaters. And between 6 & 8 months later the film 🎥 would be released on physical media to buy
@@tomboling2309 Did you prefer the delayed time? Did that get you out to the theater more?
Dude. What are you smoking? I have never heard such a delusional rant about blu. Rays, in my life.
DVDS dominate because their the cheapest. They almost always have more dvds than Blu-ray and 4k in stores. Because they know dvds will sell more. I prefer bluray over dvd if the price is right. But they usually have some bluray a little bit of 4k and a lot of dvds in stores. Yeah, I'm surprised that they haven't stopped making dvds. I'm glad that they haven't, but I'm surprised. Long live physical media streaming won't last. Physical media was here first, and it's not going anywhere.
Long live physical media!!! What do you think would happen if they made all the formats the same price? Would most jump to 4K or would there be other factors stopping them?
@@megamikethemovieman Other factor would be the 4k player they are crazy expensive.
@@djhaack9239 Makes sense for why 4Ks barely sell. But are Blu-ray’s players way more expensive than DVD players? I feel most probably have a Videogame console that can play at least Blu-ray’s?
@megamikethemovieman Yeah that's true.
ANSWER 1 Mike. DVDs 📀 will play in laptops and tablets. (2) Remember, in a lot of cases, you get a free digital copy of a film when you buy the DVD 📀. (3) Mike, that would have been a disaster if they had stopped producing DVD. (4) It failed when BEST BUY stopped selling DVD. NO! BLU RAY will NOT overtake DVD. We NEED the convenience of being able to access our films on the go. 4 K was a doomed format from the start.
Do you think the Digital codes are a major selling point for most consumers! I like them myself, just to have a digital backup but I wonder if many collectors disregard them?
@@megamikethemoviemanI give them away.🤔
@@HECTORMONTALVO-le9cn So no keeping them as backups then? Have you tested to see how the digital quality compares to its DVD?
@@megamikethemovieman no the only computer I have with on-line connectivity is my phone. So I don't know how those digital downloads look. Anyway I give them to a young woman that streams everything. Heck even the one from The Walking Dead Complete Series Blu-ray that people are selling on-line for $50 I gave it to her.
@@HECTORMONTALVO-le9cn That’s awesome! Glad someone is getting the use out of them. Was that Walking Dead series on Blu-ray or DVD? Was it that set I’ve been seeing in Walmart?
I think blu-ray will overtake dvd's. I think the people who are buying dvd's are old, young people who buy physical media buy blu-ray's. As the older generation start dying off, the market for physical media targeted towards the casual consumer will die out with them and physical media will became a collectors/enthusiasts only market where blu-ray will dominate. Streaming will still be king but dvd will die out.
Great points! But do young people collect much at all? What if we don’t gain any newer collectors from the recent generation, does DVD still dominate?
@@megamikethemovieman I feel like I see videos from new young collectors popping up here on youtube all the time.
@@Robin_Glader That’s awesome! Glad to hear that.
@@Robin_Glader Do you think 4Ks will ever become the dominate format after Blu-ray’s?
@@megamikethemovieman
No.
1. The difference is far less noticeable compared to going from dvd to blu-ray and you really need top notch hardware to get the most out of it.
2. Right now you can't play 4K discs on PC, that is something that could change though, so maby in the far flung future when everyone can afford high quality 4K HDR displays/TV's and every PC can play any disk, but at that point streaming has probably cought up with disks anyway.
Piracy is killing disc sales. All the movies released in HD can be found for free online.
How do they prevent people from doing that though? Would stopping releases from going straight to streaming quickly help with that?
@@megamikethemovieman There are people who do pirate streaming as well and distribute this stuff to torrents.
No it didn't. People just don't want Blu-ray because it is still more expensive.
How cheaper do you think it would have to be to sell more like DVDs?
@@megamikethemovieman There are inexpensive Blu-Ray players and most people buy these or upconverting to HDMI DVD players to avoid having to buy separate converters that convert composite or component video to HDMI.
Barely more expensive than dvd.
Untrue when they release there are big differences. @@Scifi4life
Dvds look terrible on a 4K TV
But why are they still selling so much? Do many not have a 4K tv?
@@megamikethemovieman Many don't have 4K sets, yes. The world still belongs to DVD, whether its haters want to admit it or not.
DVDs should have died a long time ago
Why do you think they haven’t?
They will soon
@@Scifi4life Nope, they never will. Superior format on all levels, seriously, not least on the color front.
DVD has been painfully outdated for more than 10 years. It makes no sense to put anything current on them, they can’t even match the quality of this video. Just shows how clueless people are if DVDs still outsell Blu-ray.
Why do you think the studios still decide to release mostly everything on DVD?
@@megamikethemovieman They say it’s because people still buy them, but that’s because people are clueless. It seem the “boutique” labels that put out older and cult type movies don’t put out regular DVDs though.
@TheMediaHoarder I’m guessing because the boutiques appeal more to the collectors which know about the HD formats. Do you think there is a way for studios to educate people on the newer formats? How should they approach that, maybe demonstrating differences in stores or online?
I buy nothing but Blu-ray now I got probably well over 160 Blu-rays I recently bought all the John Wick movies in Blu-ray :D best part of it is my TV upscales 1080p to 4k so to me that's a win win
@@rslerch1113 How did all the John Wick movies look?
the 4K and Blu-ray absolutists only care about the medium, not the content. if some of them got their wish and all DVDs disappeared forever, a lot of TV and film history would disappear with them
Solid point. A lot more content available on the DVD format at the moment. What if they ever did get to the point where the same content was also on Blu-ray? Would that change how much the formats sell?
Very true, Blu-ray and especially 4K caters to snobs that care more about getting the latest thing at all cost it's the toy of industry revisionists that like to mess with film history.
I think the main reason why Streaming killed Blu Rays is that streaming quality is pretty dang good and can stand up very easily with modern movies/Blu Rays of today. Aside from a tighter and slightly sharper image, Blu Rays just unfortunately don't give the incentive for people to pay for the format in general. Also another reason Blu Rays got killed is that DVD's can play on both Blu Ray and now 4K Blu Ray systems, which pretty much made getting the more expensive format rather pointless.
Great points!! Why do you think DVDs didn’t suffer the same fate as Blu-ray’s? Were DVDs still a cheaper option than streaming.
@@megamikethemovieman I think DVD's didn't suffer the same fate as Blu Ray is because of the mainstream appeal of DVD's. There are entire sections of DVD's in every store you can find and very rarely do you see a Blu Ray in any of them. Without the consumer backing the format, Blu Ray's are pretty much being carried by collectors rather than regular people, which is why they've never caught on with the masses.
Streaming looks nor sounds nowhere near as good as a blu ray.
@@megamikethemovieman Because DVD's have a more marketable feel to them rather than Blu Ray's. Their simplicity is what makes them so successful to the common consumer
Uh, the point of the more expensive format is noticeably better quality. I didn’t buy a 4k player to watch new movies on DVD, I am glad it will play my old ones though.
Streaming is much easier and less painful than picking a disc to watch in a family environment, especially when your spouse has different tastes.
Before streaming, Blu Ray became the preferred choice for enthusiasts, while dvds were relegated to low income families often in the jammy hands of toddlers. Dvds sell to a different market.
I might purchase a 4K player if one of my Bluray players dies, but there's little incentive with streaming and TH-cam available for old shows and movies, and from what I've been reading there's a fall in the quality due to the process used.
But do you feel we’re missing something either having the family gathered around one movie to share that communal experience? Everyone is just watching their own thing on their phone now.
@megamikethemovieman well it's just me and my wife. As someone who recently reached retirement age and has opted for phased retirement, we can have quality time at the cinema when it's quiet.
At home, we tend to binge watch kdramas or the latest hot thing on Netflix or Amazon, and there's enough there to keep us happy. The blurays tend to stay on the shelf, and most of those titles are on Disney, plus anyway. The only bluray that we've played recently was Elf when Amazon wanted to charge for it at Xmas.
It's not easy finding something we both like and have to compromise, but talking the guys at work, i found out that we all have a backlog of things that the wife got bored with.
@@kimwand Makes sense. I have those same struggles sometimes. My Wife and I can have wildly different tastes in movies even though there’s a little crossover. So y’all still go to the theater quite a bit? How do you pick your movies to watch in theaters together? I feel like half the time I’m going to the theater alone.
@megamikethemovieman Anything Woke gets automatically dismissed. I watched the last three Marvel movies on Disney plus on fast forward because they were so bad.
The hit of the year so far was Godzilla minus one. It was so good h didn't bother with the Lionsgate version. My wife loves Tom Hardy and Jason Mamoa, so they're easy picks, but she wouldn't watch Dune2. We did see the last three DC movies, and we've just watched Planet of the Apes. It's doing a good job in carrying the story forward.
I'm enough of a geek to know the background to most upcoming movies and rely on weekend reviews. I've got Deadpool, Minions, and War of the Rohirrin to look forward to, and that last one is a definite buy.
@@kimwand Godzilla Minus One was fantastic!! One of my favorites as well. I’m so excited for DeadPool 3 too. Do you think it will be one of the better Marvel movies?