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I know the quote "I think you and I are destined to do this forever" is a quote from Dark Knight about Batman and Joker but Secret Wars (2015) makes it very clear that this is also Mr. Fantastic and Dr. Doom.
My only issue is why would Dr Strange M O M sh*t all over Mr Fantastic AND Black Bolt before they even have debuted - GOD I HATE MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE under DISNEY so much. How F*CKED up was it to finally see R.Richards portrayed and CUCKED like that. Hope they burn in hell. seriously.
It's basically any archnemesis relationship in comics. They're cursed to always do battle. The villain never gets a lasting win and the hero never gets lasting peace.
Thank you, alot of people just jump in to this story because of the movies. But if you read Avengers, New Avengers, Fantastic Four, FF and then this story you are in for a treat!
THANK YOU! Looking at Supes. However I think there is room for that if they make Secret Wars a status quo for a bit. A few projects both film and series that are set within battleworld.
I was hoping they would really put some work into the time runs out story line I know not would be impossible to include even 60% of the roster but just the avengers and the FF and X-Men could make that story into an epic all the way through Secret Wars but then they would have to figure in Molecule man Doom and Thor Corps
The part of secret wars that I don't think is talked about enough is that the Susan Storm, Franklin and Valeria aren't the same ones that fell out of the life raft. Reed doesn't fix the universe because he thinks it's right, Reed fixes the universe because he loves and misses his family.
@@OwenLikesComics funny enough, reed fixes it in a way that, from sue's and the rest's perspective, the moment they were close to being erased, reed sudenly came in and saved them all also, it is kinda creepy that, considering doom's sue from battleworld is an alternate version of the fantastic four were instead of reed, nathaniel richards was with them; doom used his omnipotence so his children with this alternate sue ended up being by all accounts perfect copies of franklin and valeria sans the whole "doom was the one who raised them"
Last year, I read through the entirety of Hickman’s Avengers run and Secret Wars and really fell in love with it. I think with all the talk about a potential Secret Wars in the MCU is that many people are only looking at it as an opportunity to see tons of cameos instead of what it truly is: a small group of characters against a wide universe changing event. Secret Wars 2015 is many things but a cameo ridden story it is not. Great video Owen
I was very surprised when i first read secret wars i thought it was a HUGE event with the entire universe against doom but i was wrong and im glad i was the characters they chose to put in the spotlight have now earned even more respect for me and put reed richards very high on my fav comic book character lists and doom is the best villain of all time
Secret Wars was the last Marvel event that felt really epic. A really good love letter to what Marvel as a whole is...that's why it's also one of my favorite events of all time.
Yes, and Disney/MCU WILL SH*T ALL OVER IT. And it is a damn shame because with the right writing it is easily equal to Infinity Saga. God , hate Maria Alonzo - wish some accident happened to her I SWEAR TO GOD. And Amanant and Feige. Wish Russo Bros came back along with Markus McFeely, Guillermo Del Toro and some A24 Directors... this thing is AWFUL now... GOD AWFUL.
It genuinely does feel different from before like even though they didn't do a hard reboot it almost feels like they did but the new universe is similar enough that it's uncanny Pun very much intended
@@Monocheto1 It is? Haven't read anything Marvel did since Legacy/Generations but as well I might get this one a chance. Is there anything important I need to read before I'll read this event?
@@nickjanecke6688 Thor and Hyperion's send off at the edge of the multiverse against The Beyonders and Thor finally becoming Worthy again at the very end of all things is my personal favorite moments. "The sun shone one last time, there was thunder and lightning, and then... silence." is just god tier writing.
Hickman’s marvel works are unmatched. His FF, his Avengers, his Secret Warriors, his X-Men, his Secret Wars. All top-tier. This one especially. I remember when I first read this that I thought “I would be totally fine if this was the final Fantastic Four and Dr. Doom story.” It’s that good.
All the MCU fans who think secret wars (2015) is just a multiverse big battle where all the Fox, Universal, Sony will show up in the movie just bc when the story is tribute to Reed Richards and Dr Doom. PLEASE READ COMICS.
I thought that the gift that molecule man gave Miles was the fact his mother was still alive and with him…not that he was in the same universe as Peter. Let me know if I’m wrong…
Possibly one of the best and most positive "final" stories any Marvel character has ever had. I also remember Weirdworld was a really good tie-in and paying homage to it's own titular series.
as far as I'm concerned Hickman's fantastic four, new Avengers and Secret wars is one big story with fantastic four is the main characters and I love it.
Just coming back to this video, cause it hurts me to realize how badly Marvel studios is about to miss the point entirely on why this story is so beloved and what makes it special. Substance with some of the most complex characters in comics will be ignored in favor of cheap key jangling, big stupid movie fight with PrETty ColORs, and nostalgia baiting. 😢
Not sure if it's mentioned in this vid, but following this event at some point, Dr Doom has arguably the greatest line/set of panels ever for his character "I was a God once..." "I found it... beneath me."
One criticism- when describing why Molecule Man gave Mr. Fantastic the power you left out that Doom finally admitted Reed could've done something better than him, which is very important.
So glad that you actually did a video on Secret Wars. More ppl need to know that under all the crossover stuff is a personal story involving the FF & Doom.
This was an enlightening breakdown of this even that helps me to see it in a different light! I have to admit that when I first read it, besides a few real epic moments I enjoyed, overall it fell flat for me and I didn’t get the same sense of satisfaction that had been hyped up by so many. I felt like I enjoyed the lead in stories in Hickman’s Fantastic Four and New Avengers better than the Secret Wars event itself. After videos like this however providing me with new insight, perhaps I’ll be able to enjoy it a lot more on a second reading. I’m definitely willing to give it that chance 👍🏽 Thanks for another great video!
I feel the same way! I read it during a time when I was reading through Ultimate Spider-Man, from Peter’s Issue #1 through everything Miles, and I got to Secret Wars, so most of it for me was “What the hell is going on.” I feel I need to read more of Hickman’s work now to appreciate it
I love this story, because anyone who's seen anything FF at all would know that Reed Richards is ABSOLUTELY the kind of person who's first thought upon realizing he's in a different universe would be that his ONLY hope of getting home is to find himself
My only complains about the story is how, I kinda wished there were more elements of the Fantastic four mythos at battleworld or maybe even more moments between other fantastic four characters. Like say, an enitre domain belongs to moleman and his monsters, or the kree and skrulls, maybe say doom couldn't resist having a silver surfer as his herald / prophet, or a version of uatu as the one recording battleworld's history or maybe even an impossible man as his court's jester. maybe the "frightful four" reimagined as doom's elite bodyguards while the thors are his bigger army. stuff like that. Or mre story driven Example: have at least one moment between spider-man peter parker and reed richards. considering reed lost his entire family, yet has also said peter is part of his family, you would think both would have moments being emotional support to each other. at least once. but sadly, the story didn't have enough time for that, not even in tie-ins. ALSO Maybe give at least some pages of confrontation between Johnny the Human Sun VS God Emperor Doom... sure, that moment can still end quick, but it would still be quite of a shocker to say, the fight lasts 2 pages tops, everything goes black in doom's battleworld, like the end of times. And to show the difference between them have doom try to use that chance to flee th battle while ironically, it is t'challa, the one with limited omnipotence who tries to give light even if only on doom's castle (due to said limits). Although I admit thats me just being greedy as the story (hickman's epic at fantastic four) is already good enough as it is
I was never a big F4/Dr. Doom fan growing up, being born in 84 & growing up with 90's edge. The older I have gotten, the more I like & respect Marvel's original Trinity: Reed & Sue & Victor
He was doing amazing with the X-Men and once he put them on top, they kicked him out. I'm happy atleast Duggan and Gillen are doing justice to the new run.
@@x-force3372they didn't kick him out. He wanted to use krakoa to usher in a new age of xmen with everybody resurrected but he never intended for it to last as long as it has/did. when he realized he wasn't gonna be given the creative control he wanted due to krakoa's success, he decided to leave after inferno due to creative differences.
I remembered reading it in late middle school or early high school as it came out and being wow’d. That this world I just got into was ending and turning into something bigger and more hopeful than ever. Secret Wars is one of my favorite comic stories of all time, I definitely have to get a digital copy sometime soon!.
God damn this one left me pretty emotional just like when i first finished back then, thanks dude you're one of my favourite comic youtube creators easily :)
Considering that this was just before the fantastic Four hiatus (The Four-atus as I called it) I was honestly fine with this being the ending of the first family. Thanks for Covering this Owen.
Hickman writing Dr. Doom is one of the best things to read in comics. It made me love the character and hunt down past appearances but nothing quite has the epic nature of Dr. Doom has when Hickman is writing him. Doom's confrontation with the Beyonders and his massive hubris, as then success over these all powerful beings was just so fun to read.
Unpopular Opinion: Dan Slott's run on FF completely squandered the growth and nuance Hickman gave the FF as characters. That man undid all of Hickman's work in a matter of issues. smh
@@pious83 exactly. I also kinda felt Hickman elevated the FF into a mature, often philosophical, but family-oriented sci-fi comic……then Slott turned it into a CW show, after we patiently waited YEARS for their return 🤦🏿♂️
@@rayvenkman2087eh Joe quesada did the damage, slott just dealt with it, and stories like Superior Spider-Man still show that he truly understood the core of spiderman
Secret Wars comic - A thoughtful, deeply moving story about love, companionship, facing one's failures, family and new beginnings. MCU Secret Wars - Action figures being smashed together.
Secret Wars is also one of the only comic events where I strongly suggest reading all of the crossovers and spinoffs. They're not necessary to get the core of the story but there's some really good stuff in there that really expands the universe as Doom created it and makes it feel very established and lived in. A lot of the Battleworld and Warzones stuff is excellent. There's a great Zombies miniseries, Weirdworld, 1872, Future Imperfect, Years of Future Past, MODOK Assassin, and especially the first run of Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows and the Thors miniseries which is done like a police procedural.
dude secret wars is probably one of greatest marvel stories and fantastic 4 story ever told it truly feels like a heartfelt ending to a era for marvel and fantastic 4 at the time
All of Hickman's Marvel work is so good. His run on FF and Secret Wars definitely stand out to me as some of the best comics in recent memory. Great work as always, Owen!
Secret Wars and other comics, that led to this epic crossover, are true masterpieces, Jonathan Hickman is real genius, Nolan among comics writers and one of my favourite writers. I hope that MCU will bring this story into life decently
I remember getting to the end of this story back in 2015~ and having one of the most powerful feelings of catharsis i've ever had reading comics. Great run
I always considered Secret Wars Marvel's "series finale" and it's fitting. Nothing after that has felt like classic Marvel to me and it almost felt like post-Secret Wars Marvel is it's own thing, kind of a soft reboot without going full out as a reboot (Ironically I think modern Marvel would've been better if they did a Crisis on Infinite Earths style full reboot). And I think I now know why, it's because of how downplayed the Fantastic Four have been. Since the Marvel unvierse as we know it (yes I know, Captain America, Namor and Thor appeared before Fantastic Four, they're the exceptions not the rules in this analogy) more or less started with Fantastic Four it's fitting that when Marvel gets rid of them it feels like a whole new universe.
Great content as always. I think you should cover the Alex Ross trilogy of Earth X, Universe X, and Paradise X. Both story arcs of Hickman/Ross have a satisfying end (although bittersweet) to Marvel’s sliding timescale and sometimes convoluted past that Ross has attempted to clean up for generations looking to have loose ends tied up. I hope that Marvel Comics continue for generations unlimited as so many characters are as timeless as the mythologies that came before us. However, adaptations inevitably occur. Ourselves, historians, future weekly pullers, and of course first time readers can benefit from the great “What If?” stories that ultimately shaped the landscape of the medium to come. Just a thought. I hope you haven’t already covered these.
I really enjoyed earth x when I found an omnibus at my local comic book store. However, the store doesn't have the other two so I haven't been able to read them. Still, though, earth x ended so definitively and excellently, that reveal of galactus and Franklin was killer and heartbreaking
I feel like the MCU's secret war would have to be very different to be adapted. Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom are the classic rivalry of the 616 as we know it, and they have an emotional attachment to the reader, direct or indirect, because they represent a very important part of Marvel history. In the MCU the most similar thing there is are the big 3, which although important for the Avengers comics, do not have the same level as the first marvel family in importance, and that comes from the number 1 fan of the Avengers. The point is, if the MCU were to adapt it, it would be something inhumanly different. I'm not saying it's necessarily going to go wrong, but...
The MCU has no association to equate to Reed and Victor. There are no rivalries on that scale. So this story wouldn't work on the big screen. The first Secret Wars would be easier for the MCU to adapt.
@@notataco4203 Which has been officially stated since both Loki's series conclusion and confirmation of Kang's proper debut in Ant-Man 3. Nothing to do with either Secret Wars storyline though.
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Secret Wars for me created a huge issue with Dr. Doom. Doom has many flaws; lack of confidence, prior to this, was not one of them. It's been repeated over and over: Dr. Doom is absolute, he sees himself as such, and through the visions of the future of various entities is justified (the *only* future where humanity doesn't destroy itself is when Doom becomes emperor of humankind). It's to a point where mind control which is supposed to work on everyone with any doubt doesn't work on him. Similarly, from him putting his mask on, he doesn't actually care about his physical disfigurement; his looks from the very beginning were inconsequential to him. He doesn't know fear, he doesn't know doubt, he doesn't question himself. He is the old-school of the old-school, and along with Magneto and Lex Luthor, the definition of the pathos-laden, monologue-heavy, megalomaniac who doesn't *believe* but rather *knows* that he is right. Him envious of Reed Richards and admitting he's inferior is a massive retcon. And it's not surprising. Secret Wars was written for Tony Stark to be in the Dr. Doom role. He is a man who hides behind bravado, keeps on doing his best and sometimes fails and is *very* aware and afraid of that. It would make a lot more sense; Reed *is* fundamentally a visionary where Tony is not. Mr. Fantastic is a scientist dealing with the unknown, Iron Man is an engineer making the best of what is at hand. Their various stories reflect that. But Disney nixed that, for obvious reasons. It's a good story, but it came at the cost of turning Dr. Doom into a lesser version of himself. What made him unique is that in-universe, he was actually right. He is not supposed to be humanized but rather an immutable antagonist, fundamentally at odds with the Fantastic Four because he represents a single person while they represent a family. While the story itself is good, I'm kind of sad that the cost was changing Dr. Doom into something lesser.
doom is back to being classic doom again in the recent runs so there's that. which is funny because fans hated that he want back to being "evil" again.
@@johnthai6188 Yeah, people are suckers for emo-bait character arcs... but he would answer that with "I am Doom" in a large font. Next thing people will complain about the Joker actually not caring about living in a society.
@@freezergeezer7880 what is "emo-bait" character arc? also joker has always not cared about society, it's just that people are more and more subscribed to the ideas of nihilism nowadays.
@@johnthai6188 Speedball/Pennance during Civil War was probably the most dramatic emo-bait arc for a hero, for a villain there have been plenty trying to show how they're misguided softboys (like the Dafoe Green Goblin). Anyways, the Joker "we live in a society" thing is just antithetical to his character, but has been memed to death, and don't mistake it, is beloved. Which I find really funny.
I've actually decided to start reading Fantastic Four from 98 to Hickman, and even back in the late 90's there are hints towards a rapture in the fabric of reality which makes that pay off in Secret Wars even more satisfying. It's my favourite event, helped by the fact that I read his Avengers/New Avengers runs (which I do plan to reread once I finished his FF). It's a big story which I feel transcends one writer and feels like a fitting conclusion to both the Marvel Universe up to that point and as a conclusion to Fantastic Four. I've read and enjoyed FF comics since Secret Wars, but this event just feels like a big finale to Fantastic Four as a whole.
Is crazy how I been telling people about Hickman for years. Nobody listened, now everyone knows him🤦🏽♂️. Hickman is the best writter of this generation. This was my favorite story until I read House and Powers of X.
I'll be honest. I held a grudge against Secret Wars for a while because multiple books I was following were cancelled because of this even and didn't play into the event at all and I can't stand the Hickman relaunch of X-Men, but this makes me want to give Secret Wars a second chance.
Secret wars 2015 i thought was a great story especially for the fantastic four however as a event that change the marvel universe it really didn't obviously change anything like at all, and honestly that's just sad because you think a event this much hype and marketed to change the marvel universe it would've done something to change everything but sadly that wasn't the case like at all. Which is depressing on so many levels but despite that setback as a story on its own i thought this story was really great and a fun story at least in my opinion not perfect far from it but a as a story with Reed Richards and doom doing there final battle it was a great sendoff for the fantastic four as a whole.
The 'All new, All Different' era that came after this, really just floundered, in hindsight. The shoehorning of the MCU into the comics was never more blatant and intentional than during this time.
@@pious83 yup and plus all new all different marvel wasn't all new all different at all because all of the books were exactly the same where they left off and sadly Spider-man peter parker was still suffering at that time because dan slott was still on the book and just like a lazy cash grab for marvel just put slap the title all new all different on all the books which failed miserably.
@@TevyaSmolka I recall at the time, some of the ANAD first issues were ridiculed for having _previously_ exposition pages. That's not how you do a fresh jumping on point...
@@pious83 yup that's right and the worst part about those first issues besides the exposition pages is that none of the stories actually made any sense trying to be a jumping on point because they just pretend that secret wars never happen which again proves my point why even call it all new all different if your not going to commit to be doing all new all different or at least set everything up be a soft reboot or a hardcore reboot for marvel comics.
This was almost 6 years in the making. The Avengers run and Fantastic Four is all connected to an ending conclusion for Secret Wars. If you read everything then you wouldn't had missed anything.
If we were able to see the future, we would be glad to take SW as the end of the Marvel Universe. It would be painfull, but we also would be thankfull for the end and the ride of 60+ years. The Marvel of today is not working.
So spoilers for Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. Feels fitting that the introduction to the incursions was with the Illuminati and it was a Reed that talked about it
I think if they are going to do a Fantastic Four movie and Secret Wars movie, they have to have Miles Teller be the Maker. The ground work from Fox is already there from the last FF movie.
2015 secret wars is a love letter to the fantastic four and 2015 fant4stic is a turd in the fantastic four cereal also 2015 secret wars should be the storyline that ends the MCU
I agree, it deserves to be more talked about, the rising of the Maker is just an incredible story and ultimate Thor is an interesting character as well.
@@mayotango1317 i mean i understand what barper savis production is saying, which is dc started with a god in superman and marvel started with a family with the ff. and also what do you mean by marvel has jerks?
@@mayotango1317 well there you go. the fact that you just read those stories will cloud your judgement about marvel in general imo. because, you haven't broaden your horizons. it's kinda like if you where reading identity crisis, cry for justice or even the lead up to infinite crisis you would think the heroes of dc are jerks. what i mean when talking about superman is that, dc started with this god like person with a human heart of helping others. and marvel started with a book about a family being a superhero team.
Been waiting to watch this till after I actually read the story, which I loved, I’ve read hickman’s F4 which I feel really heightened the experience of secret wars
You're channel has become one of my favorites to get really stoned and watch. Thanks for giving me these really great revisits with some of my favorite comics. I don't always have a few hours to revisit stuff, and channels like yours help me remember why i fucking love comics. 🥰🥰🥰🥰
I really need to get back into Hickmans Fantastic Four. I personally think it is crowning achievement as a writer and made modern comic book masterpiece. Unless someone has read this can not say the fantastic four are boring. One of the best comics I have ever read. And the first F4 comic I read in school.
Your stuff (which I found a couple of weeks ago) definitely scratches an itch for some comics videos that I didn't even know I had. This is without a doubt my favorite Marvel event, so I was super excited to watch this. Great video, keep up the good work!
I recently restarted Hickmans avengers as of a few months ago and when I saw you were working on this I binged secret wars for the first time since it released. God it's too good.
Hickman's ENTIRE MARVEL RUN FF AVENGERS AND X MEN are a master class of boundless comics storytelling as well as his creator own works like east of west the nightly news and others
@@rushirajsinhrana5029 no they didn't, they kick him out. He put the X-Men back to the top and he had plans for another 3 years but they didn't want to commit to a writter for that long. So they moved on. I know for a fact Gillen continues to keep in contact with Hickman. Since Immortal X-Men in a way continues the story and has been amazing!
@@x-force3372 hickman left the X-men on great terms ONLY because the rest of the writers wished to explore the status quo longer and he had other commitments that he couldn't fit into the schedule if he stayed. he's in contact with all the x-men writers and editors, not just gillen, and infact helped them plan the next 3 years. If you think this whole matter is some conspiracy against the great saviour jonathan hickman, no it isn't. Read and listen to his own words. His vision was to bring together a whole group of creators who could build on his ideas, because that's the only way you can do the x-men and he knows it better than most
Wish you would’ve showed Doom catching and crushing the infinity guantlet, one of if not the most badass moments in comic book history. Otherwise an amazing summary of Secret Wars!
This was one of the first comics i ever sat down and read and man it got me hooked bad. I love how it just goes all over the place and shows you so many variations to things. It will have you wanting to read every branching story.
I'm watching this from the 2024, not just because of the recent MCU announcement, but also because of Fortnite, oddly enough. The new Season: Absolute Doom, just began, and things are looking dark already. There are remains of several Marvel characters kept as trophies in Doom's Castle and across the map. Galactus' destroyed helmet sits in the ocean, Doom has Magneto's helmet with a hug hole in it, Ultron's severed head, the Eye of Agamoto, Thanos' helmet as a trophy, Reed Richards as a tied up ball for display, Johnny's flaming heart for a fireplace, Ben Grimm's corpse as his throne, a shattered Silver Surfer board, etc. In the trailer, it showed him absorbing all the power of Pandora's Box. But I'm not clear on the particulars of his power level in the game. The boss you can fight is a Doombot, and we don't know his exact designs yet. Doomstadt is also in the game, as well as the Raft. He has Emma Frost and Mysterio on his side. I don't know if he's God Emperor Doom power level yet, but if he gets the Zero Point (the nexus of all realities of the Omniverse in Fortnite lore), he very well could be. In the previous Marvel themed Season Galactus tried to consume the Zero Point, and his herald, Thor, summoned various heroes to stop him.
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▶For further reading, please check out David Harper's oral history of Secret Wars here: sktchd.com/longform/secret-wars-oral-history
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I know the quote "I think you and I are destined to do this forever" is a quote from Dark Knight about Batman and Joker but Secret Wars (2015) makes it very clear that this is also Mr. Fantastic and Dr. Doom.
My only issue is why would Dr Strange M O M sh*t all over Mr Fantastic AND Black Bolt before they even have debuted - GOD I HATE MARVEL CINEMATIC UNIVERSE under DISNEY so much. How F*CKED up was it to finally see R.Richards portrayed and CUCKED like that. Hope they burn in hell. seriously.
I feel like could be true for quite a few magneto prof. X Aquaman black manta Deadpool vs. the 4th wall 🤣 etc.
@@DanielGoldMcduckRose Deadpool and killing himself feels more like it
@@ivanagustinortiz5237 fr feels like there's at least one arc every volume where he just goes all out trying to kill himself for a few issues
It's basically any archnemesis relationship in comics. They're cursed to always do battle. The villain never gets a lasting win and the hero never gets lasting peace.
I think some MCU fanboys who want Secret Wars don't understand it's not a cameo story, it's a deep story about the Fantastic Four and Doctor Doom.
Thank you, alot of people just jump in to this story because of the movies. But if you read Avengers, New Avengers, Fantastic Four, FF and then this story you are in for a treat!
THANK YOU! Looking at Supes. However I think there is room for that if they make Secret Wars a status quo for a bit. A few projects both film and series that are set within battleworld.
True, but what they're really going for is a combination between the original Secret Wars and the new one.
I was hoping they would really put some work into the time runs out story line I know not would be impossible to include even 60% of the roster but just the avengers and the FF and X-Men could make that story into an epic all the way through Secret Wars but then they would have to figure in Molecule man Doom and Thor Corps
They’re never going to make that secret wars though. Even if they tried I have a feeling it would be botched
The part of secret wars that I don't think is talked about enough is that the Susan Storm, Franklin and Valeria aren't the same ones that fell out of the life raft. Reed doesn't fix the universe because he thinks it's right, Reed fixes the universe because he loves and misses his family.
Exactly!
@@OwenLikesComics funny enough, reed fixes it in a way that, from sue's and the rest's perspective, the moment they were close to being erased, reed sudenly came in and saved them all
also, it is kinda creepy that, considering doom's sue from battleworld is an alternate version of the fantastic four were instead of reed, nathaniel richards was with them; doom used his omnipotence so his children with this alternate sue ended up being by all accounts perfect copies of franklin and valeria sans the whole "doom was the one who raised them"
Last year, I read through the entirety of Hickman’s Avengers run and Secret Wars and really fell in love with it. I think with all the talk about a potential Secret Wars in the MCU is that many people are only looking at it as an opportunity to see tons of cameos instead of what it truly is: a small group of characters against a wide universe changing event. Secret Wars 2015 is many things but a cameo ridden story it is not. Great video Owen
Great way to describe it.
sadly, mainstream audiences will never read 1 issue of a comic book so it will always be cameo ridden story for them lol
Although, I'd be fine if Andrew or Tobey did come along for the ride.
Id call it a modern masterpiece tbh hickman did something special
I was very surprised when i first read secret wars i thought it was a HUGE event with the entire universe against doom but i was wrong and im glad i was the characters they chose to put in the spotlight have now earned even more respect for me and put reed richards very high on my fav comic book character lists and doom is the best villain of all time
Secret Wars was the last Marvel event that felt really epic. A really good love letter to what Marvel as a whole is...that's why it's also one of my favorite events of all time.
Yes, and Disney/MCU WILL SH*T ALL OVER IT. And it is a damn shame because with the right writing it is easily equal to Infinity Saga. God , hate Maria Alonzo - wish some accident happened to her I SWEAR TO GOD. And Amanant and Feige. Wish Russo Bros came back along with Markus McFeely, Guillermo Del Toro and some A24 Directors... this thing is AWFUL now... GOD AWFUL.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 lmao imagine wishing death upon someone because they messed with your favorite franchise
It genuinely does feel different from before like even though they didn't do a hard reboot it almost feels like they did but the new universe is similar enough that it's uncanny
Pun very much intended
War of the realms was pretty cool
@@Monocheto1 It is? Haven't read anything Marvel did since Legacy/Generations but as well I might get this one a chance. Is there anything important I need to read before I'll read this event?
I love everything Hickman did with the fantastic four. It got me into the team and since then I been in love with marvel’s first family
Time Runs Out has some of the most memorable and emotionally draining moments of the 616.
That final issue with Cap and Iron Man literally trying to kill each other, one of the most weighty fights I’ve ever seen in superhero comics.
@@nickjanecke6688 Thor and Hyperion's send off at the edge of the multiverse against The Beyonders and Thor finally becoming Worthy again at the very end of all things is my personal favorite moments. "The sun shone one last time, there was thunder and lightning, and then... silence." is just god tier writing.
@@VallornDeathblade that is another great one, among many
Hickman’s marvel works are unmatched. His FF, his Avengers, his Secret Warriors, his X-Men, his Secret Wars. All top-tier. This one especially. I remember when I first read this that I thought “I would be totally fine if this was the final Fantastic Four and Dr. Doom story.” It’s that good.
Honestly I would be interested if he did a Spider-Man run
Xmen...
You lost everyone right there pal
@@nicolasvanced3137 not speaking for me at all. It's a damn shame he probably won't finish his run. we might have HAD a Secret Wars-esq X-Men event.
@@nicolasvanced3137 whats wrong with his x men run? i haven’t heard any bad things about it.
Goat shit
All the MCU fans who think secret wars (2015) is just a multiverse big battle where all the Fox, Universal, Sony will show up in the movie just bc when the story is tribute to Reed Richards and Dr Doom. PLEASE READ COMICS.
I thought that the gift that molecule man gave Miles was the fact his mother was still alive and with him…not that he was in the same universe as Peter. Let me know if I’m wrong…
They're the first family. The marvel universe wouldn't be anywhere without them. Not to mention they just rock
Respect the FF
Possibly one of the best and most positive "final" stories any Marvel character has ever had. I also remember Weirdworld was a really good tie-in and paying homage to it's own titular series.
as far as I'm concerned Hickman's fantastic four, new Avengers and Secret wars is one big story with fantastic four is the main characters and I love it.
Just coming back to this video, cause it hurts me to realize how badly Marvel studios is about to miss the point entirely on why this story is so beloved and what makes it special. Substance with some of the most complex characters in comics will be ignored in favor of cheap key jangling, big stupid movie fight with PrETty ColORs, and nostalgia baiting. 😢
U see how who’s directing and how much they paying RDJ? This movie about to look grey and bad
That last line reminds me of a similar moment in Doctor who. "Just this once, everyone lives"
Not sure if it's mentioned in this vid, but following this event at some point, Dr Doom has arguably the greatest line/set of panels ever for his character
"I was a God once..."
"I found it... beneath me."
One criticism- when describing why Molecule Man gave Mr. Fantastic the power you left out that Doom finally admitted Reed could've done something better than him, which is very important.
"If you're both in agreement..."
Hickman’s New Avengers (the Illuminati book) is basically just a continuation of his FF run (and all the better for it).
So glad that you actually did a video on Secret Wars. More ppl need to know that under all the crossover stuff is a personal story involving the FF & Doom.
This was an enlightening breakdown of this even that helps me to see it in a different light! I have to admit that when I first read it, besides a few real epic moments I enjoyed, overall it fell flat for me and I didn’t get the same sense of satisfaction that had been hyped up by so many. I felt like I enjoyed the lead in stories in Hickman’s Fantastic Four and New Avengers better than the Secret Wars event itself. After videos like this however providing me with new insight, perhaps I’ll be able to enjoy it a lot more on a second reading. I’m definitely willing to give it that chance 👍🏽
Thanks for another great video!
I feel the same way! I read it during a time when I was reading through Ultimate Spider-Man, from Peter’s Issue #1 through everything Miles, and I got to Secret Wars, so most of it for me was “What the hell is going on.” I feel I need to read more of Hickman’s work now to appreciate it
Fun fact, Secret Wars # 1 was actually the first comic book I ever read. And thus, my path to nerd hood fully began.
Wow started with a banger
@@stephenthedude4383 mine was the finale of the ends of earth storyline of amazing spider-man.... it was weird
@@ianr.navahuber2195 haven't read it is it good?
We embrace you brother lol
@@stephenthedude4383 well. I’m guessing it’s weird based on what he said. Lol
Secret War is the perfect ending to the Marvel Universe. I haven't even read Marvel since this ended because it was just a good send off.
I love this story, because anyone who's seen anything FF at all would know that Reed Richards is ABSOLUTELY the kind of person who's first thought upon realizing he's in a different universe would be that his ONLY hope of getting home is to find himself
My only complains about the story is how, I kinda wished there were more elements of the Fantastic four mythos at battleworld or maybe even more moments between other fantastic four characters.
Like say, an enitre domain belongs to moleman and his monsters, or the kree and skrulls, maybe say doom couldn't resist having a silver surfer as his herald / prophet, or a version of uatu as the one recording battleworld's history or maybe even an impossible man as his court's jester. maybe the "frightful four" reimagined as doom's elite bodyguards while the thors are his bigger army. stuff like that.
Or mre story driven Example: have at least one moment between spider-man peter parker and reed richards. considering reed lost his entire family, yet has also said peter is part of his family, you would think both would have moments being emotional support to each other. at least once. but sadly, the story didn't have enough time for that, not even in tie-ins.
ALSO Maybe give at least some pages of confrontation between Johnny the Human Sun VS God Emperor Doom... sure, that moment can still end quick, but it would still be quite of a shocker to say, the fight lasts 2 pages tops, everything goes black in doom's battleworld, like the end of times. And to show the difference between them have doom try to use that chance to flee th battle while ironically, it is t'challa, the one with limited omnipotence who tries to give light even if only on doom's castle (due to said limits).
Although I admit thats me just being greedy as the story (hickman's epic at fantastic four) is already good enough as it is
I was never a big F4/Dr. Doom fan growing up, being born in 84 & growing up with 90's edge. The older I have gotten, the more I like & respect Marvel's original Trinity: Reed & Sue & Victor
Marvel should give Hickman his own pocket universe where he can write whatever he wants.
He was doing amazing with the X-Men and once he put them on top, they kicked him out. I'm happy atleast Duggan and Gillen are doing justice to the new run.
Or if we're speaking some Dragon Ball terms in a good way, a Creativity-based Time Chamber.
@@x-force3372they didn't kick him out. He wanted to use krakoa to usher in a new age of xmen with everybody resurrected but he never intended for it to last as long as it has/did. when he realized he wasn't gonna be given the creative control he wanted due to krakoa's success, he decided to leave after inferno due to creative differences.
Aged like a fine wine
I remembered reading it in late middle school or early high school as it came out and being wow’d. That this world I just got into was ending and turning into something bigger and more hopeful than ever. Secret Wars is one of my favorite comic stories of all time, I definitely have to get a digital copy sometime soon!.
God damn this one left me pretty emotional just like when i first finished back then, thanks dude you're one of my favourite comic youtube creators easily :)
Considering that this was just before the fantastic Four hiatus (The Four-atus as I called it) I was honestly fine with this being the ending of the first family. Thanks for Covering this Owen.
Hickman writing Dr. Doom is one of the best things to read in comics. It made me love the character and hunt down past appearances but nothing quite has the epic nature of Dr. Doom has when Hickman is writing him. Doom's confrontation with the Beyonders and his massive hubris, as then success over these all powerful beings was just so fun to read.
Fantastic video on one of my favorite comics ever!
Jonathan Hickman’s Secret Wars is one my favourite comics of all time! And Esad Ribic’s art is amazing!
Check out House and Powers of X.
Unpopular Opinion: Dan Slott's run on FF completely squandered the growth and nuance Hickman gave the FF as characters. That man undid all of Hickman's work in a matter of issues. smh
Especially with Franklin.
@@pious83 exactly. I also kinda felt Hickman elevated the FF into a mature, often philosophical, but family-oriented sci-fi comic……then Slott turned it into a CW show, after we patiently waited YEARS for their return 🤦🏿♂️
So, just like his Spider-Man run?
@@rayvenkman2087eh Joe quesada did the damage, slott just dealt with it, and stories like Superior Spider-Man still show that he truly understood the core of spiderman
Secret Wars comic - A thoughtful, deeply moving story about love, companionship, facing one's failures, family and new beginnings.
MCU Secret Wars - Action figures being smashed together.
Secret Wars is also one of the only comic events where I strongly suggest reading all of the crossovers and spinoffs. They're not necessary to get the core of the story but there's some really good stuff in there that really expands the universe as Doom created it and makes it feel very established and lived in. A lot of the Battleworld and Warzones stuff is excellent. There's a great Zombies miniseries, Weirdworld, 1872, Future Imperfect, Years of Future Past, MODOK Assassin, and especially the first run of Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows and the Thors miniseries which is done like a police procedural.
You open the video exactly like ComicIsland’s full story of Secret Wars and Time Runs Out. Underrated dramatic version.
I wasn't aware of that -- evidently great minds think alike!
@@OwenLikesComics 👍
dude secret wars is probably one of greatest marvel stories and fantastic 4 story ever told it truly feels like a heartfelt ending to a era for marvel and fantastic 4 at the time
All of Hickman's Marvel work is so good. His run on FF and Secret Wars definitely stand out to me as some of the best comics in recent memory. Great work as always, Owen!
Thank you!
This comic needs to be the final conclusion to the mcu( With all characters).
No Way, this could be like a reboot. But they don't need to ended removing the Fantastic Family from the MCU.
Secret wars is not just a love letter to FF and to the marvel universe as a whole it's about Reed vs Doom
Secret Wars and other comics, that led to this epic crossover, are true masterpieces, Jonathan Hickman is real genius, Nolan among comics writers and one of my favourite writers. I hope that MCU will bring this story into life decently
I remember getting to the end of this story back in 2015~ and having one of the most powerful feelings of catharsis i've ever had reading comics. Great run
I always considered Secret Wars Marvel's "series finale" and it's fitting. Nothing after that has felt like classic Marvel to me and it almost felt like post-Secret Wars Marvel is it's own thing, kind of a soft reboot without going full out as a reboot (Ironically I think modern Marvel would've been better if they did a Crisis on Infinite Earths style full reboot). And I think I now know why, it's because of how downplayed the Fantastic Four have been. Since the Marvel unvierse as we know it (yes I know, Captain America, Namor and Thor appeared before Fantastic Four, they're the exceptions not the rules in this analogy) more or less started with Fantastic Four it's fitting that when Marvel gets rid of them it feels like a whole new universe.
Great content as always. I think you should cover the Alex Ross trilogy of Earth X, Universe X, and Paradise X. Both story arcs of Hickman/Ross have a satisfying end (although bittersweet) to Marvel’s sliding timescale and sometimes convoluted past that Ross has attempted to clean up for generations looking to have loose ends tied up. I hope that Marvel Comics continue for generations unlimited as so many characters are as timeless as the mythologies that came before us. However, adaptations inevitably occur. Ourselves, historians, future weekly pullers, and of course first time readers can benefit from the great “What If?” stories that ultimately shaped the landscape of the medium to come. Just a thought. I hope you haven’t already covered these.
I really enjoyed earth x when I found an omnibus at my local comic book store. However, the store doesn't have the other two so I haven't been able to read them. Still, though, earth x ended so definitively and excellently, that reveal of galactus and Franklin was killer and heartbreaking
@@apersonwhomayormaynotexist9868 The first book was great. I don’t know
I feel like the MCU's secret war would have to be very different to be adapted. Reed Richards and Victor Von Doom are the classic rivalry of the 616 as we know it, and they have an emotional attachment to the reader, direct or indirect, because they represent a very important part of Marvel history. In the MCU the most similar thing there is are the big 3, which although important for the Avengers comics, do not have the same level as the first marvel family in importance, and that comes from the number 1 fan of the Avengers. The point is, if the MCU were to adapt it, it would be something inhumanly different. I'm not saying it's necessarily going to go wrong, but...
The MCU has no association to equate to Reed and Victor. There are no rivalries on that scale. So this story wouldn't work on the big screen. The first Secret Wars would be easier for the MCU to adapt.
@@pious83 nah there just gonna have Kang be the main villain in the movie
@@notataco4203 Which isn't really relevant to my post or the OP???
@@pious83 alright I was just saying i think that’s what there gonna do
@@notataco4203 Which has been officially stated since both Loki's series conclusion and confirmation of Kang's proper debut in Ant-Man 3.
Nothing to do with either Secret Wars storyline though.
They should've used the maker instead of Mr fantastic on the multiverse of madness
Hey Owen, I've been bugging you on Twitter as well. I apologise for annoying you, if I have.
I would like to clarify that your videos have been a great resource for me, getting back into reading serialised, ongoing comics. Not just old series wrapped up years ago.
Truly appreciate the work you are doing, it's a fantastic (pun intended) resource, as well as a kind of hub that pulls me, most likely others into a community. Besides you, there are two other people I find essential for this.
Great work, I look forward to following what you do for years.
I watch your videos on reasonablely large screen in the living room and your editing, selection of images unfold beautifully.
Hey Kohi, thanks so much for the kind words! I appreciate all the support and encouragement, that's honestly so nice to hear. Hope you're well.
I’ve never really been a fan of the ff until recently, now there one of my favourite super hero teams
I stopped watching about nine minutes into this video. I can’t ruin any more of this story until I read it first.
Secret Wars for me created a huge issue with Dr. Doom. Doom has many flaws; lack of confidence, prior to this, was not one of them. It's been repeated over and over: Dr. Doom is absolute, he sees himself as such, and through the visions of the future of various entities is justified (the *only* future where humanity doesn't destroy itself is when Doom becomes emperor of humankind). It's to a point where mind control which is supposed to work on everyone with any doubt doesn't work on him. Similarly, from him putting his mask on, he doesn't actually care about his physical disfigurement; his looks from the very beginning were inconsequential to him. He doesn't know fear, he doesn't know doubt, he doesn't question himself. He is the old-school of the old-school, and along with Magneto and Lex Luthor, the definition of the pathos-laden, monologue-heavy, megalomaniac who doesn't *believe* but rather *knows* that he is right.
Him envious of Reed Richards and admitting he's inferior is a massive retcon. And it's not surprising. Secret Wars was written for Tony Stark to be in the Dr. Doom role. He is a man who hides behind bravado, keeps on doing his best and sometimes fails and is *very* aware and afraid of that. It would make a lot more sense; Reed *is* fundamentally a visionary where Tony is not. Mr. Fantastic is a scientist dealing with the unknown, Iron Man is an engineer making the best of what is at hand. Their various stories reflect that. But Disney nixed that, for obvious reasons.
It's a good story, but it came at the cost of turning Dr. Doom into a lesser version of himself. What made him unique is that in-universe, he was actually right. He is not supposed to be humanized but rather an immutable antagonist, fundamentally at odds with the Fantastic Four because he represents a single person while they represent a family. While the story itself is good, I'm kind of sad that the cost was changing Dr. Doom into something lesser.
doom is back to being classic doom again in the recent runs so there's that. which is funny because fans hated that he want back to being "evil" again.
@@johnthai6188 Yeah, people are suckers for emo-bait character arcs... but he would answer that with "I am Doom" in a large font. Next thing people will complain about the Joker actually not caring about living in a society.
@@freezergeezer7880 what is "emo-bait" character arc? also joker has always not cared about society, it's just that people are more and more subscribed to the ideas of nihilism nowadays.
@@johnthai6188 Speedball/Pennance during Civil War was probably the most dramatic emo-bait arc for a hero, for a villain there have been plenty trying to show how they're misguided softboys (like the Dafoe Green Goblin).
Anyways, the Joker "we live in a society" thing is just antithetical to his character, but has been memed to death, and don't mistake it, is beloved. Which I find really funny.
@@freezergeezer7880 so u don't like bad guys trying to be good stories?
Before Time Runs Out & Secret Wars, I LIKED Johnathan Hickman as I writer...
After...I read anything he pens! 🥰
Reed could transform the whole universe but still didn’t cure Ben 🤣
but ben is fine with being the thing tho. also when doom became god, he didn't cure his face.
I've actually decided to start reading Fantastic Four from 98 to Hickman, and even back in the late 90's there are hints towards a rapture in the fabric of reality which makes that pay off in Secret Wars even more satisfying. It's my favourite event, helped by the fact that I read his Avengers/New Avengers runs (which I do plan to reread once I finished his FF).
It's a big story which I feel transcends one writer and feels like a fitting conclusion to both the Marvel Universe up to that point and as a conclusion to Fantastic Four.
I've read and enjoyed FF comics since Secret Wars, but this event just feels like a big finale to Fantastic Four as a whole.
For me, Secret Wars established Dr. Doom to be the greatest MCU villian of all time.
Is crazy how I been telling people about Hickman for years. Nobody listened, now everyone knows him🤦🏽♂️. Hickman is the best writter of this generation. This was my favorite story until I read House and Powers of X.
I'll be honest. I held a grudge against Secret Wars for a while because multiple books I was following were cancelled because of this even and didn't play into the event at all and I can't stand the Hickman relaunch of X-Men, but this makes me want to give Secret Wars a second chance.
Secret wars 2015 i thought was a great story especially for the fantastic four however as a event that change the marvel universe it really didn't obviously change anything like at all, and honestly that's just sad because you think a event this much hype and marketed to change the marvel universe it would've done something to change everything but sadly that wasn't the case like at all. Which is depressing on so many levels but despite that setback as a story on its own i thought this story was really great and a fun story at least in my opinion not perfect far from it but a as a story with Reed Richards and doom doing there final battle it was a great sendoff for the fantastic four as a whole.
The 'All new, All Different' era that came after this, really just floundered, in hindsight. The shoehorning of the MCU into the comics was never more blatant and intentional than during this time.
@@pious83 yup and plus all new all different marvel wasn't all new all different at all because all of the books were exactly the same where they left off and sadly Spider-man peter parker was still suffering at that time because dan slott was still on the book and just like a lazy cash grab for marvel just put slap the title all new all different on all the books which failed miserably.
@@TevyaSmolka I recall at the time, some of the ANAD first issues were ridiculed for having _previously_ exposition pages. That's not how you do a fresh jumping on point...
@@pious83 yup that's right and the worst part about those first issues besides the exposition pages is that none of the stories actually made any sense trying to be a jumping on point because they just pretend that secret wars never happen which again proves my point why even call it all new all different if your not going to commit to be doing all new all different or at least set everything up be a soft reboot or a hardcore reboot for marvel comics.
This was almost 6 years in the making. The Avengers run and Fantastic Four is all connected to an ending conclusion for Secret Wars. If you read everything then you wouldn't had missed anything.
I predict the mcu’s version will take some inspiration from the 85s secret wars and 2015s secret wars imo
The only thing I didn't like was how esad ribic drew doctor strange. I don't like the way he looks in this specific series for some reason
It's a shame that when Dan Slott took over he immediately undid the all progress Doom had made as a character.
The best saga and event ever made
If we were able to see the future, we would be glad to take SW as the end of the Marvel Universe. It would be painfull, but we also would be thankfull for the end and the ride of 60+ years. The Marvel of today is not working.
Man, this was so good. Hickman is the man, his FF and Avengers runs deserve their own videos in the future! Great job, keep it up
Lore of SECRET WARS (2015) - A Love Letter to the Fantastic Four momentum 100
So spoilers for Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.
Feels fitting that the introduction to the incursions was with the Illuminati and it was a Reed that talked about it
I think if they are going to do a Fantastic Four movie and Secret Wars movie, they have to have Miles Teller be the Maker. The ground work from Fox is already there from the last FF movie.
Dude the intro AMAZING goosebumps all over me man
2015 secret wars is a love letter to the fantastic four and 2015 fant4stic is a turd in the fantastic four cereal also 2015 secret wars should be the storyline that ends the MCU
My favourite Hickman-Book is his Ultimates-Run! Absolutely amazing!
I agree, it deserves to be more talked about, the rising of the Maker is just an incredible story and ultimate Thor is an interesting character as well.
Looking forward to this one
Huh. Go figure. I started re-reading this graphic novel last night. Nice.
What a GREAT VIDEO Owen, Keep Going ❤️❤️❤️
"Marvel ends where it began, with the Fantastic Four"
DC has Gods... Marvel has a family.
No. DC has humble people. Marvel has jerks.
You will start a war in the comments but good statement.
@@mayotango1317 i mean i understand what barper savis production is saying, which is dc started with a god in superman and marvel started with a family with the ff. and also what do you mean by marvel has jerks?
@@johnthai6188 Just read comic Civil War or World War Hulk. And Superman is just a normal human Clark Kent from Kansas, no a God like Batman.
@@mayotango1317 well there you go. the fact that you just read those stories will cloud your judgement about marvel in general imo. because, you haven't broaden your horizons. it's kinda like if you where reading identity crisis, cry for justice or even the lead up to infinite crisis you would think the heroes of dc are jerks. what i mean when talking about superman is that, dc started with this god like person with a human heart of helping others. and marvel started with a book about a family being a superhero team.
Been waiting to watch this till after I actually read the story, which I loved, I’ve read hickman’s F4 which I feel really heightened the experience of secret wars
Hickman is so good at big epics.
Hot take? I honestly think that if after this Marvel did a real, true reboot instead of "616 plus Miles Morales" it would've been better off.
This is like Civil War but in the multiverse right
You're channel has become one of my favorites to get really stoned and watch. Thanks for giving me these really great revisits with some of my favorite comics. I don't always have a few hours to revisit stuff, and channels like yours help me remember why i fucking love comics. 🥰🥰🥰🥰
Great video. Ever think about profiling the original Kree/Skrull war?
I really need to get back into Hickmans Fantastic Four. I personally think it is crowning achievement as a writer and made modern comic book masterpiece. Unless someone has read this can not say the fantastic four are boring. One of the best comics I have ever read. And the first F4 comic I read in school.
the love letter was already written with the authority. you are years too late.
Your stuff (which I found a couple of weeks ago) definitely scratches an itch for some comics videos that I didn't even know I had. This is without a doubt my favorite Marvel event, so I was super excited to watch this.
Great video, keep up the good work!
Thank you so much! I'm so glad you found my channel and have enjoyed the videos.
I recently restarted Hickmans avengers as of a few months ago and when I saw you were working on this I binged secret wars for the first time since it released. God it's too good.
The amount of work & love you put into these vids shows thru & thru. Keep up the great work and stay safe.
Thank you so much, I really appreciate it!
Hickman's ENTIRE MARVEL RUN FF AVENGERS AND X MEN are a master class of boundless comics storytelling as well as his creator own works like east of west the nightly news and others
Definitely agree with avengers and f4. X men well it could have been great if the marvel editor listened to Hickman.
@@therealdarkknight1319 they did listen, and the plans will be carried out. hickman just couldn't stay for that long
@@rushirajsinhrana5029 no they didn't, they kick him out. He put the X-Men back to the top and he had plans for another 3 years but they didn't want to commit to a writter for that long. So they moved on. I know for a fact Gillen continues to keep in contact with Hickman. Since Immortal X-Men in a way continues the story and has been amazing!
@@x-force3372 hickman left the X-men on great terms ONLY because the rest of the writers wished to explore the status quo longer and he had other commitments that he couldn't fit into the schedule if he stayed. he's in contact with all the x-men writers and editors, not just gillen, and infact helped them plan the next 3 years. If you think this whole matter is some conspiracy against the great saviour jonathan hickman, no it isn't. Read and listen to his own words. His vision was to bring together a whole group of creators who could build on his ideas, because that's the only way you can do the x-men and he knows it better than most
Honestly, the newer events at Marvel haven't hit the same as Secret Wars did.
The closest thing I can think of is probably Annihilation. (And imo it has aged like a fine wine).
@@devanbarrios9216 War of the realms was pretty cool
@@Monocheto1 I thought it was ok. It felt like it was bogged down by way too many tie in comics.
AXE was excellent
That is a stern looking Reed Richards
He's been through a lot, okay.
@@OwenLikesComics I know, it's justified, just never seen him drawn like that before.
Wish you would’ve showed Doom catching and crushing the infinity guantlet, one of if not the most badass moments in comic book history.
Otherwise an amazing summary of Secret Wars!
That quote from Mr. Fantastic at the end of the video was...well...fantastic.
Great video. Thanks.
So Rick and Morty just plagiarizes stuff.
yeah that's rick and mortys one joke
This was one of the first comics i ever sat down and read and man it got me hooked bad. I love how it just goes all over the place and shows you so many variations to things. It will have you wanting to read every branching story.
The MCU must bring Hickman for the Fantastic Four movie and secret wars it would be a shame if they didn't
I don't know if this is an unpopular opinion but i actually really liked 1985's Secret Wars II a lot.
Reed Richards, The Ultimate Man of Action
I'm watching this from the 2024, not just because of the recent MCU announcement, but also because of Fortnite, oddly enough.
The new Season: Absolute Doom, just began, and things are looking dark already. There are remains of several Marvel characters kept as trophies in Doom's Castle and across the map. Galactus' destroyed helmet sits in the ocean, Doom has Magneto's helmet with a hug hole in it, Ultron's severed head, the Eye of Agamoto, Thanos' helmet as a trophy, Reed Richards as a tied up ball for display, Johnny's flaming heart for a fireplace, Ben Grimm's corpse as his throne, a shattered Silver Surfer board, etc. In the trailer, it showed him absorbing all the power of Pandora's Box. But I'm not clear on the particulars of his power level in the game. The boss you can fight is a Doombot, and we don't know his exact designs yet. Doomstadt is also in the game, as well as the Raft. He has Emma Frost and Mysterio on his side. I don't know if he's God Emperor Doom power level yet, but if he gets the Zero Point (the nexus of all realities of the Omniverse in Fortnite lore), he very well could be. In the previous Marvel themed Season Galactus tried to consume the Zero Point, and his herald, Thor, summoned various heroes to stop him.
God I love the F4 everything
What they stand for, what they built everything they deserve the world in terms of great adaptations but never quite got them
Hickmans run is absolutely fantastic! The man is a legend