I hope it's as good as it looks - Intel Arc A770
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Intel has been working on this for years and it's FINALLY HERE. The Intel Arc A770 Limited Edition is the most powerful GPU Intel currently makes and we're here to take a first look and talk about if this card makes sense in the current GPU landscape.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 It's finally here!
0:19 Unboxing
1:04 A gift from Intel
1:57 Specs
4:07 Putting the GPU in a test bench
4:47 Sponsor - iFixit
5:18 Powering it up!
5:30 Comparing GPU sizes
6:16 Comparing to the 3060Ti
7:00 Features/Ports
9:30 Overall thoughts
10:31 Outro - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Make sure to stay tuned for our deep dive on the new Intel Arc GPUs coming soon to LTT! Do you think you'd want to get one with the pricing at $329 (or $349 for the limited edition)?
When will the embargo allow you to test the GPU?
any time
@@KartoonPerson it's getting released on october 12th
If the benchmarking is decent enough, I might.
I'm probably going to wait for Battlemage to decide. I *really* hope they don't cancel desktop Battlemage like they're rumored to, because this isn't a terrible start, and they have a lot of potential to improve in the future.
i genuinely like the simple design of the arc gpus
Same. I really like the matte black/grey look a lot. Thing is damn sexy.
So true, GPUs look more tacky every year, I'm waiting for the ugly stickers from the mid 2000s to make a comeback
simplicity has always been sexy
You have commented 5 different times, I hope they're paying you
Agree, its refreshing, and a nice elegant styling, will look nice an any build.
Given how much Nvidia is charging for their graphics cards these days, we really need a new competitor.
The competitor is called Ebay
Nah, some people need better jobs
It's not about Nvidia vs AMD vs Intel when it comes to todays pricing. It's trade wars between the west and russia/china. We've more or less gotten comfortable using products that were made through slavery. Get used to higher prices and less comforts/luxuries.
Any notes if XeSS will be a general "works on every game" solution like FSR? Or will games start to have options for DLSS, FSR and XeSS now? More competition is good, but man I wish there was a single standard for that kind of stuff.
and Nvidia won't have dp2.0
If nothing else, I hope these succeed because of the looks. More cards need to be styled like this.
@@barnett25 Pero también los padres le pueden comprar un computador a sus hijos y ya con una gtx 1650 es suficiente pero hasta esa es cara
Another black box with nothing special?
I miss the days where shells and PCBs were colored with printing on them.
@@scrubscrub4492 Yeah, because everything else just has random lines slapped all over it in place of actual design. They all look mostly the same too. This looks nothing like the black boxes of the old XFX cards, this one is actually smooth and sleek looking, the old ones were just a flat plastic square that didn't even cover the sides. It also has RGB without being too in your face. IF they made them with the PCB showing like you want, you'd see maybe 1% of it, because the other 99% has stuff on it, or would be covered by cooling anyway. Transistors, capacitors, all the shit on the boards is ugly, that's why motherboard manufacturers are making boards where you can't see any of that crap.
@@sporemaster97 Not only do I severely disagree with everything you just said, but that also wasn't even my argument to begin with.
I'm saying all-black, "sleek" designs with no personality are just boring. Since backplates are popular now, we need more cards with heavy theming; gimme something that looks like it was ripped out of a 70s fighter jet or old 80s movie spaceship and then given a fresh coat of paint.
Personally, the first-party Arc cards look basically the same as almost every other GPU on the market.
one of the reasons it looks good might because there are very few visible screws, there aren't any at all on the backplate. It's probably hard to take apart and impossible to properly put it back together
It'd be a miracle to get it perfect out of the gate. They'll learn a lot from this generation and I'm sure the next generation will be much better and make them even more competitive.
With all of Intel's resources, there is really ZERO excuse for the BROKEN drivers.
@@geonerd check Dave 2d vid he showed the driver issues
@@Simoxs7 If they wanted to get really good drivers, just open source the drivers (like AMD did with theirs) and at this price point, Linux people would (I believe so don't quote me) jump on it really quick.
Intel would get really good drivers PDQ because Open Source fanboys would want good drivers and you know what they say: "If you want it done right, do it yourself!"
Yeah I agree deff gonna have to wait for the next one but still this isn’t looking too bad
As long as they stay in the game. And don't get discouraged. A few years from now we will have R G B as options lol
I DESPERATELY NEED THIS TO WORK. The industry needs someone to step in and start punching at Nvidia AND amd…
Totally, especially with Nvidia's ridiculous prices for the 40 series. They need competition
How far can you get with working with the igpu from either the Ryzen 5 5600g or 7 5700g and 16gb or 32gb of ram?
@@EddyOver9000 low 1080p gaming. The thing that makes me laugh is that I've been into pc tech since the 90s as a kid and people seem to not remember ATI and AMD were competitive or even the leader throughout the 90s and 2000s. It wasn't until the early 2010s that AMD fumbled but the sad part is that even when they were leading, even with graphics, they weren't being purchased at the same rate as Nvidia and you can't compete if you are losing market share even when you have the better product. Mainly gamers aren't the smartest consumers and have led to this mess. Crypto was obviously the gas to the flame but this fire was still a result of bad consumers.
@@rudysal1429 yeah it’s the consumers fault for not buying the bulldozer cpus cause they were dogshit.
@@HansenLaMoose There is a valid point there. I wasn't in the area back then, but I agree that gamers themselves are a fundamental part of this mess. Many hopping for AMD to be competitive to not be bamboozled that hard when buying Nvidia anyway
Nowadays I've seen sad amounts of people buying RTX 3050 for the price or more of an RX 6600XT/6650XT (which is superior in pretty much every category, including most implementations of RT)
As much as it clearly has problems. It's impressive for a first product and I hope intel don't get discouraged, and instead continue to improve
Yes. People keeps complaining because Intel didn't mopped the floor with AMD or NVidia. Get real: this is a first product! It doesn't even have to be great: if it just doesn't plain suck it's already a win!
We need more competition on the GPU market. I do hope Intel brings it.
So... could it still be a choice for building a rig ?
@@blacksifter4561 Not currently, no. Even if the benchmarks hold up, I'd be worried about lots of bugs and incompatibility until they have had a couple years to update their drivers. Also, will the hardware last, will it overheat and throttle, there are lot of questions about it.
@@coherentpanda7115 understandable
discouraged or not is not intel job, but consumer job....Intel is not doing charity
man, i gotta say, I'm really loving the NerdForge PC in the shortcircuit set!
Adds such a beautiful bling
LTT definitely put me on to NerdForge and I’m happy about it
@@lexecomplexe4083 iirc they had said it was staying on LTT for a while then being sold on a later event for charity or something
@@lexecomplexe4083 nah, they meant to keep it at lmg.
Linus talked about putting it up for a charity auction at the next LTX
For now it's a hella gorgeous piece for the shortcircuit set it seems :D
Please don't give it away at LTX, keep it.
@@rohithkumarsp no offence but, if both parties dont have a problem, why do you?
A770 16GB for $349 looks excellent for OpenCL compute where you need the VRAM, such as computational fluid dynamics. It's far cheaper than all other 16GB cards (half of Radeon VII!) and will really push competitors to offer more VRAM for less money.
I’m absolutely considering getting two of these to use for OpenCL compute for genomic analysis. It’s a better value than buying NVIDIA for sure.
how many use opencl compute? me and 99.99999% of viewers only use gpus for games
@@nathanjokeley4102 a lot of enterprise companies. But to get in that they need dell, and hp to stick them in their enterprise computers
@@nathanjokeley4102 a lot of scientists and engineers, you'd be surprised. Turns out the hardware designed for games is excellent to solve hard science problems, and the more people game, the cheaper the hardware eventually gets.
@@ProjectPhysX It's more that the compute features were developed for scientific and enterprise compute first but were plenty useful for games too thus making it more economic to integrate into a single product type that can then be segmented into SKUs for different markets needs rather than have a separate GPU and compute co-processor cards
I seriously can't wait for the performance embargo to be lifted cuz I really wanna see what their dedicated GPUs are capable of. As long as the price to performance ratio is good I'll be pleased,
@@SpartanArmy117 Which isn't that bad for a first product of this type for that kind of company. As long as they capitalise on it and share how they're going to improve and bring out an even better one
@@SpartanArmy117 The price to performance should be good, that's the exact thing Intel was highlighting. The overall performance might not be as good as Nvidia but they are cheaper.
@@mushieslushie nope. AMd RX 6600 is better and cheaper. also, ARC performance is shown to you in a misleading way. it's only decent on certain systems under certain settings. the poor customer has to find this out themselves, these youtubers are straight shilling this card.
@@SpartanArmy117 So what if they didn't make their targets... That doesn't make the price to performance bad.
@@FLCLimaxxx embargo ends in 2 days so I guess we will soon find out.
This kind of open and honest communication is 10x better marketing than any advertisement spot they could have paid for.
Consumer-side? Yes, more so than Nvidia. Internally? Chaos, confusion, and politics galore.
if the gpus flop , they flop ... you shouldn't buy promises
This comment is a copy and paste from another video with a770
Yeah just kinda the same when AMD released Polaris with Raja.
Definitely agree, intel's marketing bois just need to shut it
More understated card designs like this please!!! EVGA used to do it before Pascal.
You know, they might be not very good performance wise, but damn, the design of this card is just amazing, the shapes, colors and design consistency is awesome
It's on par with rtx 3070
@@akif917 No it is not, it's on par with a 3060 non ti in select DirectX12 games. And in anything other than DX12 it gets slaughtered, which is fine for a first attempt
@@Garner84 false. For example, the A770 has 3x more frames than a 1070ti (which is very equivalent to a 3060) @ 1440 in horizon zero dawn 1440 high settings. The A770 performs way better with Intel CPU’s and @1440.
Smooth look. I wish more cards had a clean look instead of being overdesigned and showy.
Important note; as JayzTwoCents pointed out you NEED a CPU that supports either Resizable Bar (intel) or Smart Acces Memory (AMD) as well as the current latest Windows 10 build or newer (like win11) to enable it
i have a 7 year old pc and it supports Resizable Bar. so i wouldnt worry bout that too much if i were you.
@@JustinCossitt which CPU mobo combo are you running tho? Am on pretty old hardware as well so would be helpful!
@@nealkashya MSI B360M with an i7 9700k. Ancient LGA 1151 lol. I had to download a BETA bios version to get the resizable bar feature.
Oh, was thinking about using Linux for the os, guess I cant
Even though I’m all AMD. Those reference model Arc cards looking really good with the clean look and the way they did the rgb. I hope the 770 at least competes and Intel doesn’t give up on gpus. Having another competitor in the space is a win.
I love the physical design of these, I think Nvidia Founder's Editions look very good too but I can appreciate Intel's cleaner look
It looks like most OEM (DELL) and 3rd-party ATI Radeon HD4800, there is really nothing unique about it. Its a black-box, holding a card... it looks like a heatbox.
Personally id like to see more classic industrial card looks, unique designs or more flat colors. All this Black on Black just feels like more beige on beige.
Im not calling for more "Dragons, explosions and RGB" like the industry has gravitated to, but there is 0 in-between and its really annoying.
White/Beige, Orange/Red, and Black. Where is the shades of blue's, purples, pinks and greens.
Where are coolers that are scientifically engineered to provide full-card cooling, not d-centric, with a tiny bit of ram cooling as a after-thought.
Where are boards that rely on multi-colored layers (you can color each PCB layer independently).
Where are non-aggressive logo/gfx designs. (Having a GPU shroud that looks like a bunch of trees with RGB clouds would be a breath of fresh air, ffs)
Im tired of Black on Black box with generic, low-profile fan over mediocre angled fin-stack. Give me Aggressively-ported blowers, with multi-layered fin-stack groupings, connected via exchange-plates and heat-pipes. Give me horizontally stretched heat-sinks that extract heat to the rear of the card and vent it vertically, for vertically-cooled rigs...
I want something new and innovative. Not more GPU's boards designed with ITX's for factors in mind, then have a black box thats been used since 2006 bolted on top as its cheap from Taiwanese/Chinese vendors...
Wow
as a budget gamer i love these Arc GPUs. I'm looking at getting an A770 since RTX 3060 prices are still pretty high in my area
prices are still pretty high in area Earth
Same, we'll see how prices are.
If final pricing is below 370€, I'll get Intel, otherwise I'll either wait or get a 3060.
@@FLCLimaxxx I heard that AMD will solve that in next generation of motherboards. It would be really sad if Intel GPU worked only with Intel CPU.
you would get a 1660ti if you're on a budget , instead of not being able to play your old favorite game on any settings
@@JawadBsaileh 1050 Ti does similar stuff to that and here the 1660 Ti costs the same as a 3060 (310-400).
Good pricing, compact design, compatible with older PSU's. if the performance is good enough and stable they might have a golden ticket here.
I'm super excited to see the AV1 encoding comparisons. I expect the best from you guys!
Can't wait for the Phoronix benchmarks. If the Vulkan and compute performance is good, this thing could be rather compelling for Linux users at that price point. Also, dxvk and vkd3d run on Windows, so that might be interesting to look into.
Considering that intel's linux support is unmatched with AMD coming somewhat close, and Nvidia being well... Nvidia, I'm actually legitimately interested at Intel as a legitimate gaming option for Linux compared to AMD and Nvidia
Something like dxvk might be helpful for those older titles for sure
@keithsze001 i wonder why it’s not a talking point
Wow, awesome to see these come to market finally
Feels good to me, sounds like this card’s performance will get better over time if theyre able to further develop the drivers optimization as mentioned. Also looks pretty slick and sounds reasonably priced coming out of the gpu graphics mining wars
these designs are amazing. i want one just for that. its a simple 2 slot card. nothing insane. clean.
I really wish Intel the best. And I'm more interested in seeing the A750 personally.
Don't forget resizable bar is required (to get it to run as expected anyway)
I love that you grab your keys to short the switch to turn on the system.
Glad to have them on board now. 👏👏👏👏👏
Pretty certain that unless they axe it (again) within 2-3 generations, we will be looking at proper competition. Also, seeing where things are going with nVidia, it wouldnt be all that bad to have budget cards, that are not all that good, but are cheap in comparison. I would upgrade my 2070 to a card that performs like current 3080 for the right price, even if it means its from intel. For as long as it works well with PCVR!
This is definitely one of the best-looking GPUs I've seen, the pricing of the lineup is reasonable, and the Linux support is likely to be pretty good. If the drivers improve, I'm probably going to buy one of these used in a few years.
Loving the new ShortCircuit background set, looking very nice with their logo and the Cyberpunk PC case.
Now, this is a true RGB competition!
Pushing continued improvements for older apis is going to be very important for Intel
The physical aesthetics of these cards are clean.
Okay, that beginning with throwing out the safety information was funny ha
very hype for these, i hope they release with no major issues
This has got to be a super good looking GPU, up there with the Founders 30 series
It looks SOOO good, I hope it runs good for the price.
Spotting that Nerd Forge cyberpunk PC in the background. Glad LTT decided to hold onto it.
When you guys do your review testing, I would love to see a quality comparison with Intel Arc vs Intel quick sync Plex transcoding performance.
Really want to see how well these perform.
Quality of transcode as well as number of transcodes :)
I too would like to see that in the benchmarks, though it begs the question of whether Plex supports av1?
@@benwu7980 yes it dose.
I know their are some av1 encoding test from Intel and such like that. But ya know first party benchmarks
This please ❤🎉
Never thought I'd be stoked for more intel stuff in the PC market. I have the 3060, so I'm stoked to see them compete.
I love its subtle and sleek design aesthetic
Can't wait to see R G and B colour boxes on the retail shelf
I'm super excited about these. Especially after seeing that they're targeting the budget market, since AMD and especially NVIDIA have kinda' screwed over this generation. Now... I don't need anything in this price range but I think I might buy a couple just to mess around with. Plus, I dig the EVGA GTX 7xx/9xx ish look.
They aren't targeting the budget market. They failed so badly they have to sell the cards at below cost.
@@screwb1882 They absolutely are targeting the budget market, because yes... they have no other choice because they greatly missed their original launch window. If you think I'm implying benevolence, I'm certainly not.
@@TheGameBench they can't have their top of the line targeting the budget market....
@@jesusbarrera6916 I guess you missed their pricing. Seems they don't have much of a choice. Their top of the line will soon be pretty entry level compared to AMD and NVIDIA. Not to mention that they're not really usable on systems without re-bar support. Then we can get into all of the cheap used options you can get right now that don't need re-bar.
@@TheGameBench so like the guy said.... they are selling below cost
Card design looks clean and classy. I hope it performs well. I'm not going to consider them for a personal build until the C770
i am glad you guys put the cyber punk computer in the background
We are witnessing history being made now, unfortunately I dont have plan to update for at least another year, but I am still really excited for this! As long as this card is stable enough for daily use, we can already call this a win, cant wait for the full review
*Definitely* am looking forward to the full benchmarks on this card! Judging by the hardware spec's, it seems like Intel's drivers are leaving a *LOT* of performance on the table. I wonder if you came back in 6 or 12 months and re-tested this same cards with the newest drivers at that time, if you'd get numbers more in line with the nVidia 3070.
Even if it's not as top-of-the-line as some Nvidia and AMD cards, it's a start and an extra competitor is welcome to the GPU market. I'm glad for Intel. I've wanted an Intel GPU that properly works since the Larrabee days, and now we have just that.
That neon ARC logo looks slick I want one
the colors and grading in this video look niiiiiice :)
The Design is absolutely amazing!
I actually really like the aesthetic of these gpu's. It's so nice and clean. I hope Intel stays in the gpu market until at least their next iteration, I actually really want them to succeed!
I've been waiting for Intel Arc since 2017 :)
I gotta say, these cards look really clean. I like how they look. I can't wait to see where they go with these cards!
I am so glad that we finally done with the days the good gpu cost over 1000$
When Anthony does a performance review, do a side by side with Windows and Linux to see who works best :)
I forgot it's a short circuit for a moment and freaked out .....omg a single ad ?????????
uummm why do the colors look so good on this video, did you guys get new cameras?
Such a shame to hear all the rumours that Arc is effectively cancelled. Considering the sheer volume of work it takes to enter the GPU market, being delayed by a couple years isn't so bad. I just hope they reconsider and get back on track for Battlemage, only having two players is not good for the consumer.
I think it's nonsense to cancel it after so many years of development and invested money, but managers and other bosses don't always see clearly. If they cancel it before gen 2, it's like throw that money from window completely.
It's their first dedicated GPU, It was bound to not be perfect. But that is alright, they can learn from this and make Battlemage better. They should however stop investing in Alchemist right now. They won't break even on that.
Look at gamers nexus video on the a770. He got a response from one of the higher-ups saying that their dedicated gpu department isn't going anywhere anytime soon and that they are just getting started. Or something along the lines of that.
@@Pidalin It's called quitting while you're ahead, if you could even call where they currently sit "ahead." The question is: Do they try to keep pushing and spending on products that almost certainly little to nobody will buy, or do they just stop the bleeding now or in the very near future? I would stop the bleeding. Maybe in a few years they can take their learnings and try again. But they can't build a user base with the hardware and drivers in the state they're in. It's a product that makes literally zero sense to spend money on.
An Intel exec has refuted those rumors, so they have nothing to reconsider. They have said they are still planning the Battlemage and Celestial launches as originally revealed. Intel is not above making stupid decision, but I would find it hard to believe that they would think that they could dominate the GPU market in the first gen and not be planning on further investing into the platform before seeing the anticipated returns.
I really like that it seems to be just a 2 slot. Will be nice in some builds.
And you, young GPU. We will watch your career with great interest!
It's exciting to see new competition for gpus
Personally I'm really excited to see what's coming. Great to see Intel doing descrete GPUs, also they look really nice.
I wonder how this will handle CAD workloads (solidworks, fusion 360, autocad, ect.). My radeon vii is working pretty well, but I'm interested in upgrades to my system, the GPU being a maybe.
I’m really hoping labs will make it so we can get ask this info in a table even if not used in video
Nice tutorial.... Very helpful
One of these is going to look soooo good in a matte black build
I just want that look but with a 7700XT or 7800XT when those comes out as it looks so much better than your typical gaudy 3rd party designs, it's just nice, simple, and clean with very tastefully done RGB.
Honestly I'm thinking that this is gonna be pretty good, or at least interesting. $329 for about rtx 3060 performance, but possibly up to like 3070 with future driver updates makes it seem like a good investment. Also, the av1 encoder is incredibly cool and will be interesting to see what it can do
But with 3080 tis for $400 and 3090s if you’re lucky, is it worth it?
@@velqt lol where do you see a 3080 for 400$????
@@rpgfeatures793 on ebay lol
@@velqt wuuuuut
@@velqt That second hand lol, in Australia it's $1200-$1800, for a 3080
Nice background music after sopnsor very Flight of the Navigator esque.
that neon light is sick! Nvidia could include smth like this too for how much they are charging
Based on your comments about the wattage etc it would be amazing if they have some sort of driver epiphany and unlock more performance. Sounds like there are other hardware issues that might make that impossible though.
I think one of the most exciting things about the Arc gpus is the (relatively) slim form factor!
not really, 3080ti fe is similar in size but 1.5x-2x the perf.
Will there be a video on the A350 for things like transcoding ? Very tempted to grab one for my jellyfin server, they look great for that
Hyped about this LETSS GOO!!!
The new Intel cards definitely LOOK the best out of all the GPUs currently. Its sexy.
nice card! it is a first gen product. what do you expect. as long as it is affordable it is fine. i like the looks of the arc founders edition more than either amds or nvidias founders editions. if they are new to it maybe drivers improve and we get free performance in the future just like on amd cards. if xess doesnt work that well we can just use amds fsr.
I really wanna see the AV1 encoder at work. I feel like even the 380 will be amazing for a streaming pc just for that encoder alone
Lmaoo I lost it when you tossed the safety notice 😂 0:31
calling it now, they're gonna have a nine series at some point
Displayport specifies the bandwidth per lane because you may not always be using 4 lanes. If you're using a USB-C dock with dp alt mode, half the lanes may be used for regular USB leaving only 2 for DP. Or if you're using Thunderbolt you might have 8 lanes.
that super sleek RGB looks really nice ngl.
Can we get some sick motivational tunes in the background this is astounding coming from intel, bravo! 🎉👏
New Lighting setup? Looks almost like new camera ale much better color grade. Either way big improvements 👌. Looks sick
Oh man, that's one of the most beautiful pieces of hardware I've ever seen
I really like the look of it. Going to buy one of these for my 2nd system.
Looks really great, an amazing looking reference card!
I'm going to need that ARC Neon light!
It looks very understatet and mature optic wise i love it
Out of all the cards i think i love the look of this one the most
It was fantastic. Thank you @ShortCircuit
Id bet they have a LOT of work to do on their drivers as well. Im hopeful for the next couple years!
Can't wait to try one
4:33
Some of the 4000 series 3'd party cards have already announced the use of standard PCI-E connectors.
Seems like a GOOD thing given the issues with melting and occasional FIRE that "16 pin" Nvidia reference connector is having.
The color for this video was awesome. Not sure if you did anything different
Noah has been waiting for this GPU for ages!
Those enconding specs look exactly like what i need!
Thank you for mentioning game preservation!
Really like the design. It's just so refreshing. The price to performance is said to be pretty great too.
would love to know the performance how the video encoding/decoding for plex transcodes with the power usage